people seem to realize that your supposed to store all your data on a SSD... you don't. you put the OS and maybe some games/apps on it, and store the rest of the data on a hard drive. you may say "oh well its only a few seconds in the boot time of the OS / apps", the seconds add up.
ssd are best for putting os's on, bung data on a hdd raid. i have found the bios takes the most time to do its stuff. Boot speeds ain't really anything to go by anymore, if your system works good you shouldn't even care about boot speed, you should care about up time and consistent speed.
both are still slow as shit...I mean in 2012 you would expect booting up to be obsolete...you should just switch it on and voila, ready..thats windows for you tho
@viralfunnies lol i can almost bet you the the gov has something like that x3 but they have way better shit than the public does and always will but i am sure they are working on something like that if they don't have it also you gotta think of how many fucking retards are in this world they are slowing down shit
yes as someone said dont just look at startup and shutdown speeds. look at running apps win media player pro audio apps games and music . i was abit scepic about getting a ssd i have a 500 gb 7200 in my dell studio i replaced it with a 256 gb ssd i use acronis migrate easy to clone and put the 500 7200 in bay 2 for data etc. still have 180 gb on ssd so plenty of room and its the dogs bollocks , everything runs faster, smoother . and no heat on the palmrest now.
I use the Segate Solid State Hybrid Drive. Its a really good improvement and matches/exceeds the speeds of a 7200 rpm drive plus adds a speed boost because of its ssd components. And 500 gb for 99 dollars on new egg. WIN!
@ScipioWarrior there are 128gb ssd, and there are 2tb HDD you know... why only 200gb? oh and if your a gamer (like me) you NEED a SSD, so much faster.
@djdavedoc atm, these things appear to mainly be used by gamers (like me, dont have one YET tho, getting one along with a new pc soon), if you play a FPS and theres a 0.5sec lagg, you gonna miss when you shoot the person your aiming at, hell, you gonna miss if theres 0.2sec lagg. these things arent only used for faster boot up.
I have a 60GB Vertex 2. It really speeds up my entire day. For example, on my old HDD it would take nearly 2 minutes to have MATLAB up and running, now it takes about 2 seconds. No exaggerating. It even performs calculations in a fraction of the time it used to. On average, this may only save me about an hour or two a week on work, but thats extra Dead Space 2 time.
The one on the left was turned on, to make things unfair already. Secondly, 5400 RPM is not nearly as fast as the standard 7200 RPM. Third, With SATA 6GB/s becoming more popular, the SSD vs. HDD will be neck-and-neck.
@skimyy I agree, but the cost of HDDs make SSDs a complete and utter laughing matter. I mean you can single disk, JBOD, RAID for 10-25% of the price. Even enterprise drives are cheaper, screw SSDs until they're developed and comparable to HDD!
@KlLLAH573 Last time I checked, SSDs cannot take a fraction of the write operations without going out of warranty or wearing out than a normal HDD can take. I write 10x more than I read off my main HDD. Also, raiding 7200K drives is a fucking arm and leg cheaper than raiding the 2 SSDS on the market that can actually RAID, I mean please.
@KingMacintosh True. However, I wasn't endorsing the use of only SSDs. As SebasRabet said, the current best solution is a combination of both a SSD and a HDD.
@KlLLAH573 True for performance, but Seagate only does this in a 2.5" form factor and only released their second 750GB model just weeks ago. Until it comes to that in terms of HDDs, regular HDDs RAIDED is a cheap (more when Thailand flood prices go down), affordable solution to people like me that can only dish a couple hundred MAX for good performance, good capacity reliability (fault tolerance)
SSD of course have much faster access time than IDE and SATA but it surely is slow to write on compared to the two....guess i go with the cheaper IDE & SATA rather than SSDs.
well it is a fact that ssd are much faster and more reliable, but seeing that a normal hd is like .25 cents per gig and a ssd is like almost a dollar i would go with a 10400 raptor. on sale all the time and very nice and silent. hands down the tecnology for ssd is there we just havent made it worth it and affordable yet time talks too...
VelociRaptor (cheaper, larger capacity) vs. SSD (expensive, capacity low as shit). Obviously people should wait till the price drops and the capacity increases.
@P3RF3CTD3ATH velociraptors are extremely unstable so i wouldnt recomend them for laptops plus their capacity isnt that great compared to other hdd's.
@P3RF3CTD3ATH ok picture the speed of a 10000rpm raptor hard drive would move at. Now think of how easly it is for it to get off track of what its doing if something were to cause it to move of vibrate. Which is why i said i dont recomend them for laptops because they always move around.
The solid state drive makes a big improvement, however there are other delays, such as BIOS boot, and video card initialization times which are unavoidable.
Some of you guys crying about price dont get it, right now u can buy a 60gb ssd for about $120, you will use that as your primary drive to load os, games, proggies etc,, keep your 1tb or whatever for storage, i have the same specs as the guy that posted below natebeats 285 mb read 275 write, let me tell you its not just boot ups, my system runs like its on crack with everything i do.
But sizes are going up and prices keep falling so its all good.
pound for pound, solid state drives will cost less than conventional ones when manufacturing matures(just like LCD). So it's just a matter of time I guess.
I agree that if you want lots of storage HDD is the better choice but currently im looking at getting a 64GB SSD to use for my OS and programs and keep my 1TB HDD for storage, backups etc and i think that will do me fine, and the HDD was £40 and so will the SDD be... i figure that will be a pretty good set up
Look every smart person with some money who believes in SSD buys a 40-60-120GB SSD for games, windows, programs u use alot for 150-300€ and buys a western caviar (something ) HDD of 1 TB for pics,music,movies,...
Then you have EPIC speed without the cost of 1000's of euros/dollars
And you don't just save 10 seconds.. You save hours
For now, I think a good idea would be to have a small SSD for the operating system and a separate large HDD for intensive programs and files. That'll affect the life of probably both disks.
SSD's dont last as long as HDD's as the cells die after being written on so many times, I know hdd's get worn out as well but they last a lot longer that SSD
Sorry... what I mean is the drive has an operating life expectancy. IOW. the drive will reach its life expectancy whether the heads are working extra hard or not. Granted... it's not an exact science, manufacturers spec the devices with a given tolerance.
What's more interesting is that most MTBF ratings were quite conservative back in the day(going back in time). However in this day, the tolerance has been growing increasingly smaller and in some cases even fell short. :(
test a velociraptor against an SSD. and for all those who think SSD are a waste of money, do you research. SSD drives do not just save you some boot time, they have lower power consumption, far far faster read/write time, are silent, highly resistent against shock, 5X more reliable because they have no moving parts, have a much much smaller profile in your case and can fit into notebooks/netbooks and programsopen and load data far far faster=next generation of storage devices.
Really you people are weird whats a few seconds? Not like you have lives... your posting on youtube lol. I know your gonna say well so do you.. ya i have no life lol
Use 64 g HD at 72000 to be fair - standard to standard. Larger drives are SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWER - which is why the benchmarking on the new ultra fast HDs show their size is usually around 50 g - with smaller platters.
They compared unequal sized drives as well - 200GB to a 64GB?
To do an accurate comparison, have equal size drives that are defragmented as well. Who knows where portions of the Windows OS were located on the 200gb hard drive.
SSDs:
Access time- much much faster! - this speeds loads times
Data Transfer Rate - decently faster
Write Speed - slower than HD's
The verdict is still out on SSD power consumption - depending on the make/model it may be slightly higher
Maybe a poor SSD like an Intel-x25-V or a kingston. Look at the OCZ Vertex- 135mb/s peek with a 80mb/s sustained write. F-ing amazing. Honestly, these things are fast- but expensive.
@shakenama the write speed comparde to an laptop hdd the sdd will be faster. but might have a tougher time agains a normal hdd but it's becoming less of a diffrent for every new ssd. and the acces time is just gr8t =)
Nah... still slow... for an SSD. A quad core with SATA II can still beat that. You gotta turn off unnecessary extensions via 'msconfig' and turn off what ever you don't need. Pls do not use AVG antivirus from 8.0 onwards as it will slow your PC down a lot. And please make your Windows interface to 'Classic' and that will also free up resources in your next test reboot. Cheers!
@cjpalmi8 well that, and with no moving parts your power consumption goes down. You also have less chance of a mechanical failure with no moving parts. Solid state is where it's at man, the parts can be smaller and smaller. I'd pay the extra bucks for the least amount of hassle.
I don't like booting up times as much as the next guy.
actually i know and i'm happy to stick to my old Green Edition Samsung 7200rpm drive, because not everyone is willing to pay all that money on a new and expensive technology when what want is simply cheap storage for their pc.
It's more of stability is the reason for people to purchase these hard drive, unlike the platter crap they got out now, which can easily fault by so many problems, the SSD is more stable, fast, they are defently idea for laptops, the trouble is, they are too expensive and too small for storage, that's the only downside, but they the future as soon as they become more cheaper and bigger in storage size.
@cjpalmi8 On HDD u can lose data easier... On Shake, on Cold... HDD brakes... And not only on boot it is faster, u will get pleasure of fast starting of all what is on SSD: games, programs... And u don't regret the money when u have it and u get filled with pleasure from so fast response...
@aliancemd hey pal i don't know you, but we're during a recession period, so i prefer saving my money on more necessary products rather than on pc components that make a non necessary job faster. of course an ssd is a good accessory, but i think i can live without one until prices drop.
ps. i have a double backup of anything important on who pen drives, so i don't have to worry about my hard drive dying on me.
@cjpalmi8 not exactly a few seconds , this is a really bad example. , Also they have over 1 million hours of use.. a normal hard drive has a MTBF of about 100,000 hours, My i7 rig can boot to desktop in 7 seconds after post. .. There is also faster and slower ssds. Mine for example has 285 mb/s read and 275 mb/s write. Alot of the older gen ssds are 150 write.. and 40 read :P
@matt657657 and you're an offensive little unrealistic nerd who has no balls, no sense of humor and would never dare to talk to me like that in real life.. so why don't you make your new year's resolution to get out of your basement and get a life!
ps. i'm saying all of this based on the words you used and the content on your page
@cjpalmi8 dude you just have no idea... on real test where you boot win 7 + 50 applications it took HDD 7200rpm about 3 min 30 sec while SSD completed it in just 35 sec... of course, it was better SSD than this and 2gb ddr2 RAM is epic fail, if you're gamer get at least 6gb of ddr3 ram if you're just normal user get 4gb ddr3 ram and you should do fine... it only takes this much time for SSD cause this guy's RAM sucks hard. Don't give wrong info for ppl when you dont understand the facts.
as you don't know (off course) this will get cheaper and will be completely useful for systems with high IO demand, like DATABASE systems for example. This development will lead to this technollogy to be accessible for home users at good prices.
@cjpalmi8 your not looking at the bigger picture, that speed doesnt just count during booting, all your programs and movies and anything else that was bottlenecked by your HDD is no longer bottlenecked and runs faster and smoother
@cjpalmi8 yeah, nice comment, but anyone who wants to play games without frustration needs ssd , especially if you have a laptop. Just search some videos "ssd vs hdd gaming campare"
@cjpalmi8 the booting is an example, the most important thing about ssd is the file's administration. Every Copy and Paste ar so fast, Cache memory of the softwares are more faster, etc.
Wow, this test is totally unfair. You might as well do a video card review of a Voodoo 2 vs a GTX280. Because thats about how big the technological gap is between the 5400 rpm LAPTOP drive (which are slower by default) and a SSD drive. lol.
Look folks, SSD are fast, but mechanical drives still have alot of life left. Nothing beats there value, and the newer 7200rpm drives that have been released the year or so have really stepped up in speed and ALOT cheaper.
Unless you're thinking of whacking one in your laptop...I mean there's currently not much point putting a SSD into a desktop given how fast speeds are for standard HDDs, but SSDs are lighter, sturdier, faster and I presume use less power...personally I go for storage capacity and they're not even close yet, but the time will come.
@kisstharing I have a 7200rpm 1tb HDD that I picked up for about 90 dollars, and it is sooo slow. Just picked up my first SSD and wow what a difference it makes with everything. I would always suggest getting a 60-128gb SSD for your operating system and any performance intensive programs you might have and a 1tb or so HDD for your mass storage
@kisstharing But still.... Now i saw the SSD, I know it's really fast... Men isn't stupid... Everyone I saw had a 64 GB SSD and 1 or 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD... So you can be fast and have allot of space...
@kisstharing But still.... Now i saw the SSD, I know it's really fast... Men isn't stupid... Everyone I saw had a 64 GB SSD and a 1 or 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD... So you can be fast and have allot of space...
Yeah, that's the problem with SSD at the moment . The highest capacity you can get is 250bg (intel do have a 320bg SSD coming out soon) & they are extremely expensive.
This is about 40% faster which is pretty good. IT should be counted from the sighting of "windows xp" to when the grass pops up. I've seen newer drives that are over 100% faster. More than twice the speed of a HD. They are getting faster quickly. This is an early model.
different memory types. Also some USB drives are faster than others. Some are memory and some disk. USB is a different interface than SATA. Many reasons.
The flash and flash controllers in USB drives are gooddamm cheap usually. Of course there are also very fast ones with SLC chips, but more expensive. Maximum transfer rate of the USB port is 30 MB/s in real life. Maximum transfer rate of SATA-II is 270 MB/s in real life. Does not make sense having that fast drives on a usb port.
This is't a fair test, because most new hard drives run at 75000 rpm and up, the one shown in the video is sunning it 54000rpm, thereby the seek time will be longer.
To clarify for everyone, SSD is faster because of one single MAIN reason.....that being solid state(no moving parts) It has access to data much faster than a moving hard drive....as I said, a HDD has to move revolve to find data, as where an SSd is just basically instant.....now it sad.....that some people will pay 800$ more(macbook Air) just for that 30 seconds. And honestly, My old (2004) Gateway with an IDE HARD DRIVE, still has a boot of about 40-45 seconds...so perfectly reasonable.
Why don't you make a cheap SD card hard drive, put four 32 gb sd cards in a matrix and make a hard drive out of it. SD cards are a heck a lot smaller, cheaper and energy efficient. SDHC got up to 32gb and the new SDXC which the Pretec already released starts at 32gb and goes up to 2tb on a singe tiny card.
Main reason is the limited write cycles on SD cards, being much lower than that of the MLC SSDs. Also the sustained transfer rates of SD's might reach 15mb/s, whereas the the cheapest OCZ ones do 155/90 read/write
i have a few questions if someone can help me with please??
1. what is the diffrence between ssd and hd drives i know ssd drives have instant access etc can someone tell me all the benefits like when i turn my computer on does it turn on quicker then a hd drive wat other benefits do you get?
lastly if i bought a laptop with a normal hd drive and later on i saved more money and decided to upgrade the hd drive to a ssd is this easy can i just take the hd drive out and slot a ssd?
SSD stands for solid state drive...there are 2 forms of it. Indeed one of these forms is "flash" memory and the other form is DRAM.
Regular HDD's use moving mechanical parts to find information on disc shaped "platters".
The platters spin and a mechanical "arm" seeks the information stored magnetically on the platters. Envision something almost like a record player...almost...lol.
Correct me if I'm wrong please, it's been a while.
just buy 1 tb SATA3 :D
furfagns 3 months ago
@furfagns Too slow.
KlLLAH573 1 month ago
people seem to realize that your supposed to store all your data on a SSD... you don't. you put the OS and maybe some games/apps on it, and store the rest of the data on a hard drive. you may say "oh well its only a few seconds in the boot time of the OS / apps", the seconds add up.
IXI69IXI 4 months ago
I think I can live with my HDD .... I'll suffer those extra 10 seconds
untill a 500gb solid state is NO MORE than $200, I will buy
(i have a 500gb hd, and I have YET to fill it up)
flawns 4 months ago
which one was the SSD ???
........... hahahhahahaaaahaaa
divedeepinside 4 months ago
ssd are best for putting os's on, bung data on a hdd raid. i have found the bios takes the most time to do its stuff. Boot speeds ain't really anything to go by anymore, if your system works good you shouldn't even care about boot speed, you should care about up time and consistent speed.
20RoyalSuperKing 5 months ago
not worth the price
Kingddd333 5 months ago
both are still slow as shit...I mean in 2012 you would expect booting up to be obsolete...you should just switch it on and voila, ready..thats windows for you tho
viralfunnies 6 months ago
@viralfunnies agree with ya mate :)
divedeepinside 4 months ago
@viralfunnies lol i can almost bet you the the gov has something like that x3 but they have way better shit than the public does and always will but i am sure they are working on something like that if they don't have it also you gotta think of how many fucking retards are in this world they are slowing down shit
andylong25 4 months ago
love HDD :)))) cute :DD
lkuliashvili 6 months ago
This vid fails to mention how fast the SSD is, they vary greatly.
my ssd boots in about 15 seconds.
JoshReflek 7 months ago
yes as someone said dont just look at startup and shutdown speeds. look at running apps win media player pro audio apps games and music . i was abit scepic about getting a ssd i have a 500 gb 7200 in my dell studio i replaced it with a 256 gb ssd i use acronis migrate easy to clone and put the 500 7200 in bay 2 for data etc. still have 180 gb on ssd so plenty of room and its the dogs bollocks , everything runs faster, smoother . and no heat on the palmrest now.
who8allthepies 7 months ago
I use the Segate Solid State Hybrid Drive. Its a really good improvement and matches/exceeds the speeds of a 7200 rpm drive plus adds a speed boost because of its ssd components. And 500 gb for 99 dollars on new egg. WIN!
rahmanroni 8 months ago
in many ways I think that an SSD makes more sense in a mac
igouroum 8 months ago
Now, get win7.
Starfox1189 8 months ago
mechanical any day in the recent future!! theyre freakin cheap and huge in storage...2Tb \m/
iitjava 9 months ago
just run RAID1 with 2 hard disks, if one fails you still have a backup of the other and you save $100's of dollars
norge696 10 months ago
whats the ssd? xD
wavesness 10 months ago
I dunno, I'd prefer having a 200gb HD over a 64gb SSD -.-
ScipioWarrior 10 months ago
@ScipioWarrior Or then you get a 20gb SSD and a TB of HDD. Screw laptops, they suck
siisihqdaa 10 months ago
@ScipioWarrior there are 128gb ssd, and there are 2tb HDD you know... why only 200gb? oh and if your a gamer (like me) you NEED a SSD, so much faster.
TheShootHappy 10 months ago
12 Seconds isnt exactly massive.
djdavedoc 11 months ago
@djdavedoc atm, these things appear to mainly be used by gamers (like me, dont have one YET tho, getting one along with a new pc soon), if you play a FPS and theres a 0.5sec lagg, you gonna miss when you shoot the person your aiming at, hell, you gonna miss if theres 0.2sec lagg. these things arent only used for faster boot up.
TheShootHappy 10 months ago
That's not what I see with my pair of Acer Aspire Ones (120GB vs 8GB) The SSD is terrible in this case. Literally barely usable
burgersnchips 11 months ago
I have a 60GB Vertex 2. It really speeds up my entire day. For example, on my old HDD it would take nearly 2 minutes to have MATLAB up and running, now it takes about 2 seconds. No exaggerating. It even performs calculations in a fraction of the time it used to. On average, this may only save me about an hour or two a week on work, but thats extra Dead Space 2 time.
MrLiquidHound 11 months ago
@yessigotmail ha..ha...maybe you don't even know what were talkin...
ernansanga 1 year ago
The one on the left was turned on, to make things unfair already. Secondly, 5400 RPM is not nearly as fast as the standard 7200 RPM. Third, With SATA 6GB/s becoming more popular, the SSD vs. HDD will be neck-and-neck.
cheno95 1 year ago
Then try the Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive haha
cambrik 1 year ago
The solid state disk are too expensive :(
mbenoir 1 year ago
Until they make SSD more marketable, HDD's will still be dominant.
One day we will think of HDD's the same as a VHS. Someday.
skimyy 1 year ago 29
@skimyy An 80GB Intel SDD will only run you around $150. That will easily contain your OS and programs. Data can be stored on an alternate drive.
Christobanistan 4 months ago
@skimyy I agree, but the cost of HDDs make SSDs a complete and utter laughing matter. I mean you can single disk, JBOD, RAID for 10-25% of the price. Even enterprise drives are cheaper, screw SSDs until they're developed and comparable to HDD!
KingMacintosh 4 months ago
@KingMacintosh Last time I checked, enterprise-class 15000 RPM drives had about the same price/storage ratio as SSDs.
Even with RAID/JBOD, read operations on any sort of hard drive storage will never truly be random access.
KlLLAH573 1 month ago
@KlLLAH573 Last time I checked, SSDs cannot take a fraction of the write operations without going out of warranty or wearing out than a normal HDD can take. I write 10x more than I read off my main HDD. Also, raiding 7200K drives is a fucking arm and leg cheaper than raiding the 2 SSDS on the market that can actually RAID, I mean please.
KingMacintosh 1 month ago
@KingMacintosh True. However, I wasn't endorsing the use of only SSDs. As SebasRabet said, the current best solution is a combination of both a SSD and a HDD.
KlLLAH573 1 month ago
@KlLLAH573 True for performance, but Seagate only does this in a 2.5" form factor and only released their second 750GB model just weeks ago. Until it comes to that in terms of HDDs, regular HDDs RAIDED is a cheap (more when Thailand flood prices go down), affordable solution to people like me that can only dish a couple hundred MAX for good performance, good capacity reliability (fault tolerance)
KingMacintosh 1 month ago
SSD of course have much faster access time than IDE and SATA but it surely is slow to write on compared to the two....guess i go with the cheaper IDE & SATA rather than SSDs.
ernansanga 1 year ago
@ernansanga You're an idiot.
yesssigotmail 1 year ago
well it is a fact that ssd are much faster and more reliable, but seeing that a normal hd is like .25 cents per gig and a ssd is like almost a dollar i would go with a 10400 raptor. on sale all the time and very nice and silent. hands down the tecnology for ssd is there we just havent made it worth it and affordable yet time talks too...
pewster31 1 year ago
wow! solid state disk is much faster than an hard disk
boost43534 1 year ago
VelociRaptor (cheaper, larger capacity) vs. SSD (expensive, capacity low as shit). Obviously people should wait till the price drops and the capacity increases.
P3RF3CTD3ATH 1 year ago
@P3RF3CTD3ATH velociraptors are extremely unstable so i wouldnt recomend them for laptops plus their capacity isnt that great compared to other hdd's.
krauser979 1 year ago
@P3RF3CTD3ATH velociraptors are extremely unstable so i wouldnt recomend them for laptops plus their capacity isnt that great compared to other hdd's
krauser979 1 year ago
@krauser979 Their capacity is decent enough but how are they unstable? Especially for a desktop where it won't move around as often f not at all.
P3RF3CTD3ATH 1 year ago
@P3RF3CTD3ATH ok picture the speed of a 10000rpm raptor hard drive would move at. Now think of how easly it is for it to get off track of what its doing if something were to cause it to move of vibrate. Which is why i said i dont recomend them for laptops because they always move around.
GunzFTW09 1 year ago
7200rpm vs ssd
Gabster477 1 year ago
The solid state drive makes a big improvement, however there are other delays, such as BIOS boot, and video card initialization times which are unavoidable.
bjtaudio 1 year ago
WOW I would have expected it to be much faster in fact!
SmalltimR 1 year ago
"34 seconds from Power On" <-- a standard MacBook can do this aswell.... -___-
v3pictures 1 year ago
You are not using it for storage capacity you are using it for speed!!
triggawolf0000 1 year ago
Some of you guys crying about price dont get it, right now u can buy a 60gb ssd for about $120, you will use that as your primary drive to load os, games, proggies etc,, keep your 1tb or whatever for storage, i have the same specs as the guy that posted below natebeats 285 mb read 275 write, let me tell you its not just boot ups, my system runs like its on crack with everything i do.
triggawolf0000 1 year ago
@triggawolf0000
My OS drive is 120GB and its a little tight.
But sizes are going up and prices keep falling so its all good.
pound for pound, solid state drives will cost less than conventional ones when manufacturing matures(just like LCD). So it's just a matter of time I guess.
SmalltimR 1 year ago
Why do none of these videos say the type of SSD they are using. Talk about frustrating.
vampov 1 year ago
17× more money to shave a whoppin' few seconds from my boot time!
jobeanie123 1 year ago
Here's Reality...
1 TB SSD - $4,000 (you save 10 seconds with this choice!)
1 TB Regular Hard drive - $100
......... tough choice
gatewaydx007 1 year ago 17
@gatewaydx007
Uhhh.. better equation
1 TB HDD - 100 bucks
64GB for windows only - 100 bucks
Ziggoi 7 months ago 2
@gatewaydx007
I agree that if you want lots of storage HDD is the better choice but currently im looking at getting a 64GB SSD to use for my OS and programs and keep my 1TB HDD for storage, backups etc and i think that will do me fine, and the HDD was £40 and so will the SDD be... i figure that will be a pretty good set up
chrispepper1989 6 months ago
@gatewaydx007
Look every smart person with some money who believes in SSD buys a 40-60-120GB SSD for games, windows, programs u use alot for 150-300€ and buys a western caviar (something ) HDD of 1 TB for pics,music,movies,...
Then you have EPIC speed without the cost of 1000's of euros/dollars
And you don't just save 10 seconds.. You save hours
SebasRabet 5 months ago 3
@gatewaydx007 why ten seconds? only needed 1
viralfunnies 4 months ago
For now, I think a good idea would be to have a small SSD for the operating system and a separate large HDD for intensive programs and files. That'll affect the life of probably both disks.
AdvancedK9 1 year ago 2
SSD's dont last as long as HDD's as the cells die after being written on so many times, I know hdd's get worn out as well but they last a lot longer that SSD
mattyon38 1 year ago
@mattyon38 my HDD is gona last years cause i defrag often and don't install much and i keep it clean
realflow100 1 year ago
@realflow100
Defragging too much will also wear the disk down.
darkxinos 1 year ago
@darkxinos only once every 4 weeks not every day!
realflow100 1 year ago
@realflow100
You can't escape the MTBF rates unfortunately...
SmalltimR 1 year ago
@SmalltimR sorry i don't understand. can you explain?
realflow100 1 year ago
@realflow100
Sorry... what I mean is the drive has an operating life expectancy. IOW. the drive will reach its life expectancy whether the heads are working extra hard or not. Granted... it's not an exact science, manufacturers spec the devices with a given tolerance.
What's more interesting is that most MTBF ratings were quite conservative back in the day(going back in time). However in this day, the tolerance has been growing increasingly smaller and in some cases even fell short. :(
SmalltimR 1 year ago
bit . ly/jerku
lollypoppet1 1 year ago
hmmm ssd's are fast , i want one...but they are over priced
tunnelneverends 1 year ago
@tunnelneverends there are hybrid SSD/disk drivers
whatnub 1 year ago
test a velociraptor against an SSD. and for all those who think SSD are a waste of money, do you research. SSD drives do not just save you some boot time, they have lower power consumption, far far faster read/write time, are silent, highly resistent against shock, 5X more reliable because they have no moving parts, have a much much smaller profile in your case and can fit into notebooks/netbooks and programsopen and load data far far faster=next generation of storage devices.
7A1R28 1 year ago 2
Really you people are weird whats a few seconds? Not like you have lives... your posting on youtube lol. I know your gonna say well so do you.. ya i have no life lol
MrLostkause 1 year ago
Time to trash all our HDDs and get us a new: SSD!
mathias921 1 year ago
With that money you can get a better computer
jrmet19994life 1 year ago
UNFAIR, you should have used a 7200RPM HDD.
GTAIVman 1 year ago
Use 64 g HD at 72000 to be fair - standard to standard. Larger drives are SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWER - which is why the benchmarking on the new ultra fast HDs show their size is usually around 50 g - with smaller platters.
AmericanPlatinum 1 year ago
It be better to compare with a High end SSD, the ones included in laptops are super slow, go for a 220mps read 200mps write =)
shinraorg 1 year ago
why not upgrade for a fast processor,ram,video card,etc..maybe it will cost less than buying such expensive SSD's...
pinger56 1 year ago
@pinger56
Solid states increase load times other than processor the ram and video card doesnt help it.
maybe a new harddrive but SSD are getting more affordable each month
just recently i picked up a 80gb for $150
hahaatsimon 1 year ago
dude thats only ad 5400rpm HDD of course the solid state is gonna win
UnD3adC1an 2 years ago
............monstrous...........
alexartsitalia89 2 years ago
@ imprezaver4 - Not only that.
They compared unequal sized drives as well - 200GB to a 64GB?
To do an accurate comparison, have equal size drives that are defragmented as well. Who knows where portions of the Windows OS were located on the 200gb hard drive.
SSDs:
Access time- much much faster! - this speeds loads times
Data Transfer Rate - decently faster
Write Speed - slower than HD's
The verdict is still out on SSD power consumption - depending on the make/model it may be slightly higher
shakenama 2 years ago
@shakenama
Write Speed= slower? NOT
Maybe a poor SSD like an Intel-x25-V or a kingston. Look at the OCZ Vertex- 135mb/s peek with a 80mb/s sustained write. F-ing amazing. Honestly, these things are fast- but expensive.
sciences8 2 years ago
@shakenama the write speed comparde to an laptop hdd the sdd will be faster. but might have a tougher time agains a normal hdd but it's becoming less of a diffrent for every new ssd. and the acces time is just gr8t =)
danbertilsson 2 years ago
@shakenama
SSD's still not perfected give a couple years after they finally figure what there gonna use to make them.
deluxedookie 1 year ago
Storage > Speed+Noise
TheMoyWilliams 2 years ago
imprezaver4 2 years ago
oh wow so let's go and pay 17x more for something that will save me some seconds on boot...
cjpalmi8 2 years ago 70
@cjpalmi8 it will help with everything, load times in games and other applications, still, I think the money could be better spent elsewhere
D3THFAN 2 years ago
nice one...
pinger56 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 but hey TIME IS MONEY :P
HellMuTx 1 year ago
@HellMuTx true, money that can easily be invested in way more time saving operations ...
cjpalmi8 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 then its a vicius circle
HellMuTx 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 well that, and with no moving parts your power consumption goes down. You also have less chance of a mechanical failure with no moving parts. Solid state is where it's at man, the parts can be smaller and smaller. I'd pay the extra bucks for the least amount of hassle.
I don't like booting up times as much as the next guy.
art11art12 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 and will make your easier when you are doing "hard" job at your computer ;) solid state is faster from the hard disks
MrNikosNikolaidis 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 Sir, do you know the difference between SSD and HDDs? The load time is not even scratching the surface!
They have a much HIGHER shock value. So for laptops you can beat it up and your drive is NOT going to go bad like a HDD with moving parts.
Consumes 1/10th the power, your battery last longer.
EVERYTHING opens faster.
Produces 1/4 the heat!
ingeniious 1 year ago 2
actually i know and i'm happy to stick to my old Green Edition Samsung 7200rpm drive, because not everyone is willing to pay all that money on a new and expensive technology when what want is simply cheap storage for their pc.
cjpalmi8 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 well you can install a program in few second, also you can keep your information safely. and another stuff. Just awesome.
joyadeceren 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 actually on everything that does load
Immacapyerass 1 year ago
It's more of stability is the reason for people to purchase these hard drive, unlike the platter crap they got out now, which can easily fault by so many problems, the SSD is more stable, fast, they are defently idea for laptops, the trouble is, they are too expensive and too small for storage, that's the only downside, but they the future as soon as they become more cheaper and bigger in storage size.
markhorneyuk 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 On HDD u can lose data easier... On Shake, on Cold... HDD brakes... And not only on boot it is faster, u will get pleasure of fast starting of all what is on SSD: games, programs... And u don't regret the money when u have it and u get filled with pleasure from so fast response...
aliancemd 1 year ago
@aliancemd hey pal i don't know you, but we're during a recession period, so i prefer saving my money on more necessary products rather than on pc components that make a non necessary job faster. of course an ssd is a good accessory, but i think i can live without one until prices drop.
ps. i have a double backup of anything important on who pen drives, so i don't have to worry about my hard drive dying on me.
cjpalmi8 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 not exactly a few seconds , this is a really bad example. , Also they have over 1 million hours of use.. a normal hard drive has a MTBF of about 100,000 hours, My i7 rig can boot to desktop in 7 seconds after post. .. There is also faster and slower ssds. Mine for example has 285 mb/s read and 275 mb/s write. Alot of the older gen ssds are 150 write.. and 40 read :P
Natebeats 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 .. and all applications
klarmer 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 with no moving parts its more reliable and improves performance overall.
27131014198743 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 you're so dumb, you think it just decreases boot time? Do you have brain damage? It'll speed up your entire system.
matt657657 1 year ago
@matt657657 and you're an offensive little unrealistic nerd who has no balls, no sense of humor and would never dare to talk to me like that in real life.. so why don't you make your new year's resolution to get out of your basement and get a life!
ps. i'm saying all of this based on the words you used and the content on your page
cjpalmi8 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 dude you just have no idea... on real test where you boot win 7 + 50 applications it took HDD 7200rpm about 3 min 30 sec while SSD completed it in just 35 sec... of course, it was better SSD than this and 2gb ddr2 RAM is epic fail, if you're gamer get at least 6gb of ddr3 ram if you're just normal user get 4gb ddr3 ram and you should do fine... it only takes this much time for SSD cause this guy's RAM sucks hard. Don't give wrong info for ppl when you dont understand the facts.
Dex1n 1 year ago
@Dex1n hey man i know my facts, it's just a comment related to the video and the price of an ssd
cjpalmi8 1 year ago
@cjpalmi8 Well,
as you don't know (off course) this will get cheaper and will be completely useful for systems with high IO demand, like DATABASE systems for example. This development will lead to this technollogy to be accessible for home users at good prices.
mozartiano123 11 months ago
@cjpalmi8 It's just a comparison. Why do you watch if it doesn't interest you???
unstopology 10 months ago
@cjpalmi8 your not looking at the bigger picture, that speed doesnt just count during booting, all your programs and movies and anything else that was bottlenecked by your HDD is no longer bottlenecked and runs faster and smoother
Aurious 10 months ago
@cjpalmi8 Yeah, now test it with writing rather than reading and see what wins!
sparkyuiop 9 months ago
@cjpalmi8 yeah, nice comment, but anyone who wants to play games without frustration needs ssd , especially if you have a laptop. Just search some videos "ssd vs hdd gaming campare"
viktorass23 9 months ago
@cjpalmi8 And which reads/writes 3-4 times faster
Tha2ndWimp 7 months ago
@cjpalmi8 the booting is an example, the most important thing about ssd is the file's administration. Every Copy and Paste ar so fast, Cache memory of the softwares are more faster, etc.
Topulis91 7 months ago
Wow, this test is totally unfair. You might as well do a video card review of a Voodoo 2 vs a GTX280. Because thats about how big the technological gap is between the 5400 rpm LAPTOP drive (which are slower by default) and a SSD drive. lol.
Look folks, SSD are fast, but mechanical drives still have alot of life left. Nothing beats there value, and the newer 7200rpm drives that have been released the year or so have really stepped up in speed and ALOT cheaper.
kisstharing 2 years ago 6
NEWB! This is only to show the advantage of the new technology not a hardware review
thatsshit 2 years ago
@kiss
how do you know the HDD theyre using is not 7200 rpm? Just saying
UnrivaledShogun 2 years ago
@kiss
nevermind, the HDD is 5400 rpm. Just noticed.
UnrivaledShogun 2 years ago
Unless you're thinking of whacking one in your laptop...I mean there's currently not much point putting a SSD into a desktop given how fast speeds are for standard HDDs, but SSDs are lighter, sturdier, faster and I presume use less power...personally I go for storage capacity and they're not even close yet, but the time will come.
SirLoinOfsteak85 2 years ago
@kisstharing I have a 7200rpm 1tb HDD that I picked up for about 90 dollars, and it is sooo slow. Just picked up my first SSD and wow what a difference it makes with everything. I would always suggest getting a 60-128gb SSD for your operating system and any performance intensive programs you might have and a 1tb or so HDD for your mass storage
Aurious 10 months ago
@kisstharing But still.... Now i saw the SSD, I know it's really fast... Men isn't stupid... Everyone I saw had a 64 GB SSD and 1 or 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD... So you can be fast and have allot of space...
ZilvercraftEnglish 8 months ago
@kisstharing But still.... Now i saw the SSD, I know it's really fast... Men isn't stupid... Everyone I saw had a 64 GB SSD and a 1 or 2 TB 7200 RPM HDD... So you can be fast and have allot of space...
ZilvercraftEnglish 8 months ago
I'll wait until the solid drives come to about 350 GB, then I'll buy one and install it in mah pc.
FRURMELLL 2 years ago
fake
N2K10 2 years ago
Yeah, that's the problem with SSD at the moment . The highest capacity you can get is 250bg (intel do have a 320bg SSD coming out soon) & they are extremely expensive.
Jackiechan39 2 years ago
OCZ has a 1TB SSD out.
TheGreatStash1994 2 years ago
That's cool but it's still a hefty price. I just did a quick look & it's costs between $1500 to $2000!
Jackiechan39 2 years ago
the damn thing is FAST too.
TheGreatStash1994 2 years ago
mi tam windows startuje w okolo 15 sekund tu ogolnie cos dlugo obydwa startowaly systemy
pdpstudio 2 years ago
12 seconds... amazing
0Escaflowne0 2 years ago
you should have the SSD and a 7200Rpm. Just to see.
Codryy 2 years ago 2
5400 vs SSD? Bit unfair methinks
Moyo2k 2 years ago 42
@Moyo2k 90% of laptops have a 5400 RPM HDD, thus the comparison of what it would be like if you changed out your laptops HDD for a SSD.
ingeniious 1 year ago
This is about 40% faster which is pretty good. IT should be counted from the sighting of "windows xp" to when the grass pops up. I've seen newer drives that are over 100% faster. More than twice the speed of a HD. They are getting faster quickly. This is an early model.
test957 2 years ago
question: if SSD's are so fast, then why are flash USB dirves slow as hell?
AllAroundBang 2 years ago
different memory types. Also some USB drives are faster than others. Some are memory and some disk. USB is a different interface than SATA. Many reasons.
test957 2 years ago 4
Because USB is slower than SATA :)
CodyxDecode 2 years ago 3
SSD isent flash ;)
hyrael2 2 years ago
The flash and flash controllers in USB drives are gooddamm cheap usually. Of course there are also very fast ones with SLC chips, but more expensive. Maximum transfer rate of the USB port is 30 MB/s in real life. Maximum transfer rate of SATA-II is 270 MB/s in real life. Does not make sense having that fast drives on a usb port.
nofear2k 2 years ago
Nice !
I knew it was way faster, but this really shows the difference ! The only bad thing about it is the size...
IllegalMavamaarten 2 years ago
jesus this video is shit. half the time its buffering
duckmanx88 2 years ago
well there are now 500gb ssd by ocz but at nearly 2k gbp, fuck that lol
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gibsonlespaul2 2 years ago
some sites have dual SSD 256 gb (500gb) *but way overpriced for me*
ronjohn0527 2 years ago
This is't a fair test, because most new hard drives run at 75000 rpm and up, the one shown in the video is sunning it 54000rpm, thereby the seek time will be longer.
fitimio001 2 years ago
Not so in laptops. 7200 rpm is only beginning to become prevalent in laptops.
sharuban 2 years ago 2
yea, that is true, i don't really look into laptops, mostly desktops. So you are probably right
fitimio001 2 years ago
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NYgangsta72 2 years ago
7200rpm is common in desktops, 5400rpm is more common in notebooks
morbidlyobesecatband 2 years ago 4
Not so much. They are like 90% of the HD's are 5400rpm. 7200 is to noisy and hot and a power sucker
davidbball13 2 years ago
I haven't owned 5400rpm on a desktop in the past 10 years.
LSDude 2 years ago
It's just not faster, it's probably more reliable since it has no moving parts.
SvenneTheBlockhead 2 years ago 2
64gb ssd is about $120.
yopikachu 2 years ago
in what world? i just got a 32 for about 180
ilYasHD 2 years ago 2
$120 wtf i cant even find a 30gb for under $120
arnXboxElite 2 years ago
a 12 second faster boot--time for a 1000$ increase in price?
I'll pass (for now).
lyethian 2 years ago 4
its not only boot time that increses. u tard
ruuska1991 2 years ago 4
200 dollar increase in price you fucktard.
WhozGotEpicz 2 years ago
To clarify for everyone, SSD is faster because of one single MAIN reason.....that being solid state(no moving parts) It has access to data much faster than a moving hard drive....as I said, a HDD has to move revolve to find data, as where an SSd is just basically instant.....now it sad.....that some people will pay 800$ more(macbook Air) just for that 30 seconds. And honestly, My old (2004) Gateway with an IDE HARD DRIVE, still has a boot of about 40-45 seconds...so perfectly reasonable.
NoDipProductionz 2 years ago
Why don't you make a cheap SD card hard drive, put four 32 gb sd cards in a matrix and make a hard drive out of it. SD cards are a heck a lot smaller, cheaper and energy efficient. SDHC got up to 32gb and the new SDXC which the Pretec already released starts at 32gb and goes up to 2tb on a singe tiny card.
LTF85199 2 years ago
Main reason is the limited write cycles on SD cards, being much lower than that of the MLC SSDs. Also the sustained transfer rates of SD's might reach 15mb/s, whereas the the cheapest OCZ ones do 155/90 read/write
natswoo 2 years ago
can you have more memory on ssd???
like 1.5 TB or more???
SutkasFan 2 years ago
ive have only seen a 250gb max for now
arnXboxElite 2 years ago
i have a few questions if someone can help me with please??
1. what is the diffrence between ssd and hd drives i know ssd drives have instant access etc can someone tell me all the benefits like when i turn my computer on does it turn on quicker then a hd drive wat other benefits do you get?
lastly if i bought a laptop with a normal hd drive and later on i saved more money and decided to upgrade the hd drive to a ssd is this easy can i just take the hd drive out and slot a ssd?
yos9636 2 years ago
It doesn't matter what the speeds are...It's Windows...
Install Linux and you'll never want to run Windows again.
pmgodfrey 2 years ago
funny,my Hitachi 160GB boots up windows XP faster than this. >.>
Probably using one of those cheapo SSD's.
dragunov3r 3 years ago
what is the difference between ssd an hd
Login12349 3 years ago
ssd is flash rom - and hdd is magnet technology ;-)
metalheim 3 years ago
ssd is not flash ROM, rom is read only mem, ssd is just memory in a solid form
drummwill 3 years ago
wow you just had your computer engineering diploma or what ?
fuckubabyfuck 2 years ago
SSD stands for solid state drive...there are 2 forms of it. Indeed one of these forms is "flash" memory and the other form is DRAM.
Regular HDD's use moving mechanical parts to find information on disc shaped "platters".
The platters spin and a mechanical "arm" seeks the information stored magnetically on the platters. Envision something almost like a record player...almost...lol.
Correct me if I'm wrong please, it's been a while.
glowyrm 2 years ago
My post was supposed to be a reply to Login12349...I hit reply next to his comment but it went up here../shrug.
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