Songs from the second floor

[Jukeboksi]

What I'm trying to say is, the key is never letting go of your childhood.

[Jukeboksi]

...and what we have become. Thus the mind makes the ultimate sacrifice, the sacrifice of imagination. The sacrifice of 'what if?', the sacrifice of true, complete freedom, the sacrifice of love. And we come face-to-face with this trauma time and time again...True, complete apathy and hopelessness or a world filled with possibilities waiting to be explored. What's it gonna be?

Well, ain't that bleak. Must we make that choice? Must we make that sacrifice? Over and over again?

[Jukeboksi]

Actually, I think I got it now. The death of a child(hood). The ultimate trauma man faces. For reason and feel to coexist peacefully, the childish way of thinking of the world and about the world, must be discarded. This goes against all our senses though! How can it be so? We are in a state of shock and disbelief. What are our options? Despair, or hope. And when we become so shortsighted as to act only upon those two lingering feelings, we lose sight of what we are, what we were...

[Jukeboksi]

I think it also says a lot that the woman pushes the child down. Maybe even her own child?

[ceciraidilia]

great film.

[Idellle]

crazy!

[Anquetil79]

I love it! Roy is an incredible director and his DOP Istvan Borbas has a unique stile!

Perfect!

[Ksulourgos]

the movie is a true poem... the scene where the patient is wearing the doctors robe is hilarious, made me laugh so naturally

[Jagvillhejhej]

No no no. This scene and the whole of this movie is about how every parts of the society has become subservient to the economy and growth. No values is left, our God is the economy. Thats the reason for the child sacrifice, to improve the economy, just like our ancestors sacrificed humans to appease the gods. In this scen you have to the left; the church, to the right people from the university, and the red stuff in the background is the Trade Unions and Labor Party.

[korvkalas]

That little girl is my sweetheart in real life! :D

[lokostro]

i like this scene and dont like it, i like it cause of the contrast in both sides, in one side you have all balck and white and the greyscale, and in the other side you have so much color with the guys of the church, but i dont like it for the little girl :S

[Hyuga27]

That was moderately funny.

[camwheel]

i haven't seen this movie, but i want to now. anyways i thought "what a horrible thing to do to a little girl." then i read this, and now i agree.

[maccka1]

hilariously absurd and yet moving...a masterpiece

[SteffanLlwyd]

The 'entertainment value' of killing children escapes me.

[TinfishUK]

"The 'entertainment value' of killing children escapes me".

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Try thinking of it not as 'entertainment value' but as a metaphor for how people kill their children - such as parents who drink and drive - or smoke around their kids, etc etc.

[SteffanLlwyd]

I tried your suggestion and it didn't work. Some folks have down-thumbed my comment. See here: I have seen children forced to eat their own vomit and violently beaten by teacher perverts (in Wales). After that I can assure you it is hard to see this film as cool. Child cruelty entertaining? Eat your own puke and see if there really is a funny side of it. What I saw ruined these kids for life. I'm still f*****g furious about the fact the teachers got away with it.

[TinfishUK]

Steff wrote:

"I tried your suggestion and it didn't work. Some folks have down-thumbed my comment. See here: I have seen children forced to eat their own vomit and violently beaten by teacher perverts..etc etc.."

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Rant terminated. User blocked.

[Mattnek]

anyways, you cant be angry of that completly, this is a movie, and this is a simbolical meaning,if you are so sensitive about his scene,that mean 2 things,you are kind of ignorant or silly, why? beacue you can not understand the meaning of this scene, and 2, is to drastical to say that comment, of course is horrible to see how child are being raped but, as i said before, this is a movie and you are ignorant

[SteffanLlwyd]

I know its a movie. It is what it is about that bothers me.

[Mattnek]

sorry for calling you ignorant, but, anyways that girl killed mean that they have donde evreything they had everything but they lost their young days and innocents ones because of the greed and another stuff, don get angry and the little girl of course she was not killed

[SteffanLlwyd]

Apologies accepted! Good wishes...

[Mattnek]

dont be sarcastic....

[SteffanLlwyd]

No I wasn't being sarcastic. Really!

[diskkkkko]

I can't believe people still balk at the concept of absurdism in 2008.

You don't seem to understand that the discomfort you feel when viewing this interpretation of the world IS the point of the film - not to be "entertaining" or cool.

If you can't deal with art depicting life in what is a stylised yet brutally honest package, made by a virtuous director, then you do absolutely nothing to assist the ideals that you believe your defending. You are in fact perpetuating society's stagnation.

[SteffanLlwyd]

OK. I'll think a bit about what you are saying... 'Not into stagnation for sure. Change can't come soon enough for me!

[stockon]

@SteffanLlwyd

You mistake art as entertainment

[SteffanLlwyd]

@stockon We are animated by emotions and this places the appeal of art (and revulsion) in the same category of experience as the appeal (and revulsion) of entertainment. It is possible to find pleasure in fearful feelings (eg roller-coaster ride) by reframing it as entertainment. The reframing of abuse as art or entertainment does not work for me. The truth of the film (that abuse exists) therfore has a voyeuristic rather than insightful quality for me. Clearly others feel differently!

[stockon]

@SteffanLlwyd

I just don't think you understand it man.

And roller coaster rides dont need to be "reframed" as entertainment because they ARE entertainment.

And a representation of something is not the same as the act. This is not a SNUFF film you know? or did you?

[SteffanLlwyd]

@stockon You are right that I don't understand it, but for the reasons I have given. I don't think I can provide you with much more insight into my negative appreciation of the scene. I understand what it is meant to do, I think. But for me it remains an offesnsive way of making a point as it involves cheap manipulation of the audience. Absurdism depends on visual jokes (or puns, if you like). This joke does not work for me and this is maybe why, as you quite rightly say, I don't get it.

[Mattnek]

this is simbolical, they sacrifice the child because they have done everything in the world, what else they can do? and of course the killing of everything is funny :)

[Mattnek]

god, this scene is so insane!!! XD i love this movie since the first time i watched i knew that it was a master piece of art, cannes festival is so great much better that sheep of hollywood

[Akerman7]

it's not only moody, but full of humour. a tragic sense of humour.

[cronocoffin]

the first time i saw the subway scene i almost cried it was so beautiful.

[tainbo75]

This movie blew me away when i first saw it. I dont know what i was expecting but it wasnt this! I was so pleasantly surprised and it has remained my number one fav movie... this is by far my favorite scene in the film... lol too much! Does anyone have the subtitled clips posted though?

[podycheck]

sign yerself up for blockbuster online and you can easily rent this flick

[utubesucks2003]

Better yet get netflix

[LilithFilth]

If anyone wants to know: This is available from the U.S on eBay.

[radonhus]

i just saw the movie and i like it! Funny stuff! i never understood this scene though, someone care to explain?

[muttamutta]

it's the sacrifice of youth. the queen pushes her down while she has a safety line for her self.

[agimcomas]

I love this movie. The scene with the crosses is hillarious.

[rgautam]

ubelievable movie, saw it a while ago and i think i m gonna go buy it right now

[HenriTheLord]

It's a wonderful film.

Unfortunately not easy to get...

[GoblinGirl]

This is a masterpiece...

[gArrAFiENd]

ive heard of dis film but dont know wat its about looks interesting

[Scurtulos]

It has a story, its not just strange and stylish scenes on top of each other wich one might think when watching these clips! It really is a great and moody movie, everyone should see it!

[phille22]

Masterpiece.

[rosebud1419]

Thrilled that there are others out there who like, let alone have heard of this AMAZING film!