Did Bush Sanction Torture?

[adidsoccr2]

All this hype about torture is strictly a political stunt. It is so superficial! The people involved in accusing the bush administration mainly the left media are only trying to boost the democratic parties standing! This is a load of crap. Water boarding is not torture! We do it to our own military in training. Would we honestly torture our own military. Gouging a persons eyes out is torture. Water boarding is not torture. I would gladly be water boarded to shut all these crazy people up!

[mannhorn34]

@adidsoccr2 go get an education....Please!

[adidsoccr2]

what is it that I am misinformed about that would require education? I get an education everyday through listening and reading. But none the less all this is old news now and doesn't seem to be worth discussing. The important thing now is to focus on desimating these big government, tax payer money wasting, hypocritical, liberal minded, democratic, as well as some republican, arrogant politicians in washington in the coming november elections.

[PhatChick722]

The USA provided Isreal with over $800 billion for their military. The Gulf war was a war for aggression. Saddam was an evil man but Bush ended up being reponsible for the deaths of women and children that had nothing to do with it. The USA trains these tortures in the School of Americas

[PhatChick722]

I'm not liberal you dingbat! One of our Libs who is a youth and multicultural critic is getting charged here in Canada for paying her over seas live in care takers $1.56/ hr! Helloooooo. Go check it out. Globe and Mail. You can't trust anyone these days, and those you can trust GET SHOT!

[PhatChick722]

The Bush Administration completely violated Internation Law. They did numerous extraordinary renditions of indivuals ( lord knows how many are innocent), based on racial profiling. They send these people to 3rd world countries which take them out of their legal boundies for protection which also denies them due process.Therefore why even bother having International Law to begin with. Bush makes that rhetoric. It's a joke!

[PhatChick722]

If you don't know what your talking about I suggest looking into it!

[poohtoob]

"You call that torture,whiny babies,Saddam Hussein will show torture.Look it up on YouTube.You ll see his nice techniques.Maybe just maybe you will learn"

Confirmation of Detainee Murders

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Warning: the following video contains graphic scenes that could be upsetting to some viewers and may not be suitable for minors.

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[Ransomike]

If Obuma's daughters was kidnapped and her life depended on getting information that would safe her life. Would he let her "die," or give the OK to torture someone who had information that would save her?

[qualityrkc]

doesnt matter what he would want to do. We are not allowed to torture people.

[Ransomike]

If it were your mother or father you would let the die, before torture.

[qualityrkc]

If I were a mother or father or the family dog I would always say it is great policy not to torture and torture should never be tolerated.

[poohtoob]

"If it were your mother or father you would let them die, before torture"

Torture who?

You build your argument in favour of torture based on a "what if".

But let's suppose my mother or father was under some sort of threat that may lead to their death.

Maybe I should torture someone I feel is acting out of the ordinary?

Or do you feel I should start on a neighbour who could be holding some information back?

Where do you think you would start the torture spree to save your parents?

[Ransomike]

I bet you got picked on as a child. Probely never served your country. Not married, divorced, or on you way to a divorce. Are you a member of the ACLU?

[poohtoob]

Why are you trying to evade my question with childish fantasy?

You really should try to stick to the real world.

If it were your mother or father, who would you torture first to save them?

Would the person have to be proven guilty of some sort of involvement or would you just play it by ear?

[HemiHead66]

Why would you even ask such a stupid question? It has nothing to do with what's going on here. The media and Cheney don't want to give people the facts because it would show they're guilty. They weren't just torturing known terrorists. They were torturing innocent people to. They just rounded up everybody in an area, slapped an enemy combatant label on them, held them without charge or trial and tortured away. And what about the people that were murdered in prison? watch?v=8o7dQ0sSr9c

[actionviewer]

What other ways Obamee? Tell me . What would you do to get the info from the killers?

[actionviewer]

If Bush sanctioned torture than Bush saved the day. Sissy boys would rather die than pour some water on a jihadist or a mortar man, or a remote bomber because he waved a white flag. Smarter people than you make decisions in the name of freedom every day.

[Ransomike]

George Bush keep us safe after 911, will Obuma?

[shirleyinroseville]

My husband says that his snoring keeps the bears away. Sure enough, I've never seen a bear in the bedroom.  It must work.

Same logic.

[qualityrkc]

exactly right. These people are next level stupid if they think they can win an argument by trying to justify torture.

[qualityrkc]

haha that is like saying my brother got murdered because cops let a criminal loose. But the cops are doing a great job because the maniac on the loose hasn't killed me since my brothers death.

[qualityrkc]

We finally get a glimpse of transparency and repubs are trying to make Obama regret it. What they don't understand is that they had their time and now it is over. Really over. We don't want to hear your propaganda laden biased hypothetical logic anymore. You only hurt your own party you angry bitter SCARED people. Here is a fun fact, statistics show people who are religious are much more likely to condone torture techniques. Strange but not surprising in the least.

[StinkingHombre]

If you attach clothespins to your girlfriend's nipples then you are guilty of torture and need to be put on trial at the Hague according to Democrats.

[qualityrkc]

no if you waterboard your girlfriend without her consent you will be put on trial for torture because we prosecute torturers so as not to condone the act.You fucking idiot.

[StinkingHombre]

Nipple torture is torture regardless of whether or not there was consent you scumbag!

[qualityrkc]

untrue, if you girlfriend wants that then it obviously does not torture her. Once again you remain among a minority group of the stupidest people in america.

[StinkingHombre]

She couldn't give consent as she was bound and gagged when I placed the clothespins in her nipples... Therefore I am guilty of violating the Geneva Convention. The gallows await me.....

[qualityrkc]

I think you have completely gone off the rservation. What does this have anything to do with the torture memos? You are comparing torturing imprisoned people to having rough sex with your girlfriends consent. Doesnt make any sense.

[StinkingHombre]

I am guilty of violating the Geneva Convention for attaching clothespins on my girlfriends nipples. A violation of the law is a violation of the law....

[StinkingHombre]

You can't consent to an illegal act it's still illegal. When I attached clothespins to my girlfriends nipples that fit the definition of torture. In fact it is commonly referred to as "Nipple torture." I am guilty of violating the Geneva Convention and I await my sentence from the Hague.

[FredFoothand]

StinkingHombre,

Yes BUT... did you in fact thwart any terrorist attacks from information you gained by attaching clothespins to your girlfriend's nipples??

[StinkingHombre]

No, she still refused to talk!

[unexpectedpyroo]

Obama is torturing people going to war in Afghanistan!

[Ransomike]

Who cares if he did. We have had no more attacks. Bush keep us safe. Will Obama?????

[qualityrkc]

Bush was president when we had our nations biggest attack ever. Most likely assisted by member of his administration. He didn't keep us safe, he attacked us.

[PhatChick722]

Are you fucking well?

[viksula5]

it amazes me how many people blame 9/11 on Bush they in effect question his love for his country and his patrioticism a man who faught for his country from a family who faught for this great country of ours , and these same people act as if Obama is some sort of saviour a man who NEVER faught for his country who regularly for 20 years attended a U.S. bashing church and apologizes for the U.S. everywhere he goes what has he done to deserve to be treated so great HE WOULD NEVER FIGHT FOR AMERICA!

[qualityrkc]

bush never fought for his country. You are a bitter racist.

[staniscanner]

Yeah.. That's why we haven't been attacked after 9/11

[ANGLEBOOT]

I believe we should go from waterboarding to, bring in a terrorist. "answer the question", they don't shoot them in the head. Then yell, "bring in the next terrorist".

out of 20 terrorist you'll only have to get to the 3rd one. Then they all would spill their guts.

obama do play games with the nation.

[humaner]

Every Republican poster for torture should try it 183 times.Cal me tell me your experience.

[WTCnucleardemolition]

911 "Mastermind" George Bush Sr.

google: Quadri-Track ZCT

[tampabayproductions]

torture is fling an airplane into your tallest buildings and Burning people to a crisp and cutting their heads off after God only knows what they put them through. How you gonna get that info Barry? Gonna ticke them? Have Sammich with them? Take a nice Anti American book from them and smile have a pepsi and a Life Savers? THEY WANT ALL OF US DEAD AND NOTHING YOU CAN DO CAN CHANGE THAT. It is their fanatic religion and you CANNOT reason with a Fanatic. A child can understand this.

[4u2b1ib12]

Before any of what is going on, the 8th Amendment states it clearly:

"Excessive bail will not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

You may say, they are the enemy. You are right! No doubt, hands down. We are America.

The difference is, we are the best nation on earth, and need to live up to our words. Especially, when written as our commitment to Law. If we can not follow our own rules, we are no better than animals. Are you an animal?

[FredFoothand]

4urnot1

guess what? these people were not American citizens and not in America and constitution did not protect them. So no matter what your opinion,your point about the 8th amendment is pointless in this case. Try again

[4u2b1ib12]

Are you an animal? I did ask that before. If we lead, do we follow our laws, or assume without judiciary? Fmr. V.P. Cheney & Co. et Bush-baby made it up, as they went along, to allow themselves to dismiss the Constitution.  We all agree to that. Do you? Confused? Good!

We are a nation of Law. Everyone citizen is obligated, under The Constitution, to follow Law!

Torture is not who we are.

Ex: You kill outside your state, is it legal?

If you never get caught, are you innocent?

Well?

[FredFoothand]

4u2

Sounds like you're making up as you go along. Blabbering dogma. If you want to talk about the law maybe learn a bit about it 1st.

Combatants in foreign land not protected by the US Constitution. You are completely clueless.

[4u2b1ib12]

It, "looks," as though you do not want to read.

Are we, America, going to lead in peace, or cause war? The torture techniques Cheney & Co., et Bush-baby, used were from China. The information also detailed the failure of water-boarding. You are looking for an excuse to be a barbarian. I am a man of honor. I live up to the tenants of the U.S. Constitution, and want to exercise them where ever America goes.

You want to be slick, and have an excuse to kill. We defend our nation.

You?

[FredFoothand]

4u2,

You're completely clueless about the Constitution and the law. It's not up to you either... thank God.

Interrogation technics were not from China.

[poohtoob]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

This was the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America that lead to your independence and gained the respect from freedom loving individuals around the world.

Are we now to believe that the statement should have read:

Only American citizens are created equal and are endowed under their government with certain unlienable Rights?

[FredFoothand]

Poohtah,

um see...if  you knew anything about the US Constitution, it is a 'US Law document' that lays out the law of the Land and structure of Government for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and IT's CITIZENS.

The USA does not presume to dictate that it's constitution should be the law and structure of government for all the other counties on the planet also.

[Ransomike]

Are you morons also going after the "Snipers in the military who hit their target?

[poohtoob]

So basically Fred, you are saying:

That it is NOT self evident that ALL men are created equal and they are NOT endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

So you believe the very basis of your own rights are not self evident or given to you by your creator, but granted by the Government who have authority over your jurisdiction at the time?

[FredFoothand]

Poohntab,

No you are saying that. Hey , here's a question for your big brain..why don't Americans honor the Law of Hodoud?:

"The penalty for adultery under Article 83 of the penal code, called the Law of Hodoud is flogging (100 lashes of the whip) for unmarried male and female offenders. Married offenders may be punished by stoning regardless of their gender, but the method laid down for a man involves his burial up to his waist, and for a woman up to her neck (article 102)."

[poohtoob]

The quotes that I used were taken from the declaration of independence and were written when America was a colony under the jurisdiction of British law.

The writing of your Constitution and founding of your own laws came after.

It followed the bloody battle that your forefathers fought so hard for because they believed:

"That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

[FredFoothand]

poohntab,

Good , then you must realize also the Declaration of Independence doesn't have anything to do with Constitutional Rights or rights granted to American Citizens by the U.S. Government. . Declaration of Independence was a declaration of Independence from England and The Divine Rights of Kings...doesnt grant anybody any rights and isnt a document of law.

You should learn a bit more about these things you're trying to use as an example to make whatever point you're trying to make..

[poohtoob]

"The Declaration of Independence doesn't have anything to do with Constitutional Rights or rights granted to American Citizens by the U.S. Government"

Thank you for clearing that up for me FredFoothand, I must have been mistaken!

Rights are not natural, unalienable and given at birth but are allowed to you by the government with power over your jurisdiction.

Thanks again for explaining my misinterpretation of the spirit behind your founding documents.

I will study more.

;-)

[FredFoothand]

poohntang,

and when you find a place where there's no government telling you what your rights are let me know.

[mauiboarder2]

fuck obama, and yes i do puch all dumbass liberals in the face, and i may round them up and use the waterboarding tech. on them!!! all that obma wants to do is praise our enemy and suck their dicks, while prosecuting the ones that want to make our country safer!!!!

[FredFoothand]

mauiborder2,

dont forget Obama lets his Hollywood pals fly Airforce 1 & Military jets at tax payers expense around Manhattan /Ground Zero scaring the fuck out of people... and the press gives him a free pass on it. Imagine Bush doing that??? It would still be on the front page and there would be congressional hearings.

[peaceforevever]

Typical American comments.....why "most" Americans shouldn't be allowed passports. Ever thought of why the hatred towards the US ever started? Cudo's to Obama for at least trying to change the shattered image of the US.

[qualityrkc]

we are not all idiots but at the moment it seems like those who are the least informed are being the most outspoken.

[poohtoob]

"it seems like those who are the least informed are being the most outspoken."

Forgive them qualityrkc for they know not what they do!

Most of the comments seem to be coming from those who are obviously lacking any thought process of their own.

They have gained their "education" from the narrow focus of Left-Right opinion oriented propaganda fed to them daily by the "patriotic" mainstream media.

Lets hope they learn before it comes back to bite us all in the ass.

[qualityrkc]

agreed

[Mrcharliebobo]

If you see a commie liberal assclown on the street PUNCH THEM IN THE FACE!!! that is my new MOTTO!!!!!

[rockytopfarm]

Obama is so full of crap. He talks VALUES but he belives in BIG GOVERNMENT & BIG SPENDING!!

Registerd independents like myself DISAPPROVE of his POLICIES!!

[me213516]

Maybe you should also speak for yourself, as you definitely don't represent all "registered independents".

[rockytopfarm]

I do speak for myself, i don't have my head in the sand neither, i call it as i see it! the fed keeps printing money and Obama keeps spending. In 6 months 2 presidents & 2 congress's have spent over $12 trillion. Plus a fly over N.Y. city for a stupid photo "op" for air force one, what did that cost the tax payer? same bull in D.C.!!

[me213516]

....mmkay, that's nice....

I was just noting that not all "registered independents" think like you do (would sort of defeat the purpose of calling yourself "independent", now wouldn't it?).