@TheExodus5150 R-Truth was in the main event of Capital Punishment and Survivor Series so that already destroys your argument. Bourne is a vanilla midget with no personality, and Bryan is a MITB winner, which gurantees him a main event push at Wrestlemania, again, you brainless fucking retard, you have no argument. And Cena "klisses vince's ass?", dude, that's what everyone in WWE does, kiss his ass, if they didnt they would be employed. DUMB SHIT
@ZipZagginGallifrey wtf is wrong with daniel bryan?!?! he is an amazing wrestler who wrestled his way through the indies for 10 years and now he is the world heavyweight champion!! Punk is the WWE Champ and Bryan is the World Champ. Thats pretty damn awesome.
@Forston23 theres nothing wrong with daniel bryan but I don't want to see him as a main event wrestler, sure he could do a job in the intercontintenal or tag team department, but surely not as the world champion? For instance could you imagine bryan in the attitude era? He wouldn't be good enough for the roster no mind the main event. Pretty ridicolous how he's world champ so quick with such poor mic skills and decent wrestling skills.
@Forston23 i have to disagree, can't see what exactly is daniel bryans gimmick really, there is nothing about him that interests me, from his theme tune to his mic skills or even wrestling ability.
@arsepirate90 brian danielson (aka daniel bryan) has amazing wrestling ability and i think he has superb mic skills. granted he does need to evolve his character a bit, but if u saw the end of smackdown they are possibly going to turn him heel. that should be interested
@TheExodus5150 I love how idiots like you catergorize attitude era marks as "true wrestling fans". Grow up you pea-brained piss-ant, the reality is this buisness does not begin and end with the attitude era, there are other eras to enjoy. The fact is you only enjoy ONE era of wrestling shows your range of scope is minimum, you are NOT a true wrestling fan, as true wrestling fans can enjoy more than one era and find positives in today's product. I don't like Cena, but there's Punk
@TheExodus5150 I hate people like you; '"Cena sucks fuck him asskisser blabla''
I know some facts are right and some aint. The truth is, you can say whatever you like, but WWE isnt going to change because 100,000 of the 100,000,000,000 fans dont like it. Its a waste of time, and you're showing how retarded you are to hate cena over every WWE video, WHERE HE ISNT EVEN IN!! Just stop trolling and enjoy WWE as how it is, if you don't like it, why waste your time over Cena and WWE?
As good as this storyline is compared to today, you could tell how confused the audience was in this segment. Still better than the dead crowds of today where all the pops are phoned in.
Look at that Championship title Steve Austin is holding. That is a true and good looking title(Attitude Era Championship), not that Cena Spinner Garbage(PG Era Championship).
And with McMahon basically having control of WWE, WCW and ECW, you could've taken a page from boxing, and had a champion own all 3 belts at the same time. Someone like The Rock could've help elevate all 3 entities if he were the unified champion for a period of time, making appearances on WWE, WCW, and ECW events. The illusion should've been to keep WCW separate, with subtle WWE influence, not integrate WCW into WWE altogether.
The mistake that the WWE made, is that they didn't keep WCW separate 90% of the time. Think of baseball, with their American and National leagues. They only come together for a few weeks a year. It's still baseball, but the strategy and tactics are different in each league. The Raw vs Smackdown split wasn't the way to go, unless you make Smackdown . . WCW Smackdown. And if you had to add one or two major WWE superstarts to make WCW work, then that's the direction they should've gone in.
@finisher3x hey stupid that was the original idea, but NOBODY wanted WCW anymore, it was dead n buried, why have someone like Rock appear on all those shows? they were seperated bcuz of the oversize roster, it gave other stars a chance to rise, the wrestlers would work less, so more likely you would of had more stars on drugs, n deaths due to ur selfishness, n uncaring for the stars well being..Attitude era is dead n gone markl, get over it
@baderhouli asshole the reason they made it pg its because of john cena and his fans watch and when the kids watch this at john cena jokes they laugh that why asshole get use to it.If you want tv 14 watch tna impact wrestling on thursdays at 8 o clock on spike tv
@luna81608 Why dont you shut the fuck up asshole? WWE made it PG because they earn SOOOO MUCH MORE money from it. It has nothing to do with Cena, Ofcourse, Cena is the face of the WWE, but the WWE Writers make him the way they want. Practicly Cena has nothing to say what he wants.
So get your information before you're posting retarded comments in here. Fucking jackass
cant wait for tna invading wwe..think this is the year..hoping..i like tna but its just a spin off of what they did in wwe/f and the same crap as they had in wcw. they cant beat wwe unless they clean up thier act. stop the running of the company crap. but hey dont matter what tna doesnt as long shane, shane, and steph is living wwe s here to stray..
@ViporVlogs I dont know, Austin got over after Invasion as a paranoid, egotistical, comedic heel. Pretty impressive really. But your right for the most part, as Austin started doing more and more comedy the crowd eventually forced the face turn as soon as the invasion angle ended. What?
This is when vince tried to make wcw a baby face group, which while I think showed some class in what became after an ego-fueled storyline, was a flawed move as the wwf fans were never going to cheer for wcw no matter what.
Vince was going to make Raw WCW but after people walked out of booker vs bagwell he pulled the plug and the WCW wrestlers got buried in every match. Everyone dreamt of this match up and it had so much potential but it disappointed which is such a damn shame :(
@SRPC21 I agree with everything you say except for the whole wcw wrestlers got buried point. I get really tired of this notion. The alliance was a heel stable, with little initial heat outside of DDP and then Austin. Baby faces who are over with the crowd dont do clean jobs for heels with no heat. Its counterproductive to business. They had to create some heat and the easiest/quickest way to do this is to have your heels cheat to win. And babyfaces have to win without cheating its the business.
@cmpody I disagree, the likes of Brock Lesner came in as a big heel and a genuine threat to the biggest wwe wrestlers. He did not need to cheat to win or look like a crap wrestler just to get the good guys over.
The best rivalries are the ones where fans are genuinely convinced the bad guys are much stronger before eventually the good guys find the strength and heart. That's why the NWO were so successful, and to a less extent Nexus (although they did cheat, they were a genuine threat).
@SRPC21 Ok you are comparing Lesnar who is a huge guy (in real life) and a fantastic real wrestler and the NWO guys (all huge already established stars) with guys the WWF audience did not know. Lesnar got huge initial heat because he had a heel manager (Heyman) and he was just freaking impressive with everything he did oh and he was already famous from real world events. The WWF did not have time to wait for the audience to develop heat for each individual alliance wrestler. Hence the cheating.
@SRPC21 You just admitted that they all lost their beltts in the lead up to survivor series. How is having a title belt of any kind looking unimportant. And again you seem to have changed your argument from, "everyone was buried" (which is what I originally objected to, and have proven is untrue from a true defenition of what being buried is) to, "well they looked weak, or unimportant."
@SRPC21 Now with regards to all of the guys dropping their belts at RAW in the lead to survivor series. That is called story telling, they new the angle was coming to an end, and they knew the WWF would win, so they decided to make the alliance look divided to set up a defecter (Angle). Again the narrative that I object to is the notion that everyone was buried during the angle. How can that be true when so many alliance guys had titles during the angle?
@SRPC21 One final thing I want to say on this matter, you have to look at the angle from a booker's POV and remember how awful the reputation was of the WCW from late 99 up to this point. It would have been very difficult to expect the audience to accept a bunch of former mid card wcw wrestlesr to come into the wwf and just dominate. The audience would have shit all over it and they more or less did, when the invasion was a babyface. See Bagwell v Booker T from raw and listen to the crowd.
@cmpody Furthermore, having team wwe completely wipe out wcw on every occasion unless there was big interference (even then sometimes the wwe wrestler would wipe them all out) this did make the wcw wrestlers get buried.
What would have been wrong if WCW vs WWF had matches in the way a heel Hulk Hogan vs babyface Rock had at Wrestlemania X8?
@SRPC21 I seem to remember a time when almost every major title was held by an alliance member. Also, Rock vs Hogan was special/different because, well, it was The freaking Rock vs freaking Hulk Hogan, 2 of the 3 biggest mainstream stars in wrestling history. It would be kind of hard to do the same work in a Lance Storm Chris Jericho match. Again I ask who was really buried. The only guy I could think of was DDP and he proposed his storyline upon entering the WWF not the other way around.
@cmpody Well WCW vs WWF should have been bigger than Hulk Hogan vs The Rock- it wasn't. I guess the problem boils down to the fact that none of the big wcw wresters such as Goldberg, Sting, Scott Steiner, etc took part in it so maybe in that sense 'heat' would not need to have been developed (wwf had all the time in the world to develop it though)
However, instead of make the most of what he had and give the likes of Storm, DDP, Mike Awesome, a push, WCW did not come across as any threat
@SRPC21 There were 2 major problems with the invasion storyline from a logistical perspective. 1) Like you said most of the biggest wcw names were not part of the angle and 2) it drastically increased the wwf's active roster to the point that there was not enough TV time to get each individual alliance member over with an audience that was for the most part ignorant of their recent matches/promos because by mid 2000 no one was really watching wcw any longer.
@cmpody Sorry I've just realised I didn't answer your question lol. I generally feel the likes of Hugh Morris, Shawn Stasiak, and Chris Kanyon who I don't think won one match (apart from being a rubbish tag team in the Invasion PPV) were bought in to put people over more than anything else.
I guess it's part of my childhood I will always remember because I was such a WCW fan and dreamt of them fighting WWF and ended up being really disappointed!
@SRPC21 I can understand your frustration since you were a wcw mark. But those guys were mid card wrestlers in a dying organization. If they got huge pushes when they came to wwf, that means someone else (most likely an already established wwf guy) would have gotten significantly less tv time. Maybe they should not have focused all of the alliance storyline around Austin, but its hard to push guys on Raw and Smackdown who the fans for the most part had little knowledge of.
@cmpody You're right to an extent but look at Nexus, no one knew who they were yet they became a serious force in the wwe and were more of a threat than any of the alliance (I do get your point though).
I think Vince should have just splashed out on bringing the big boys over and done it properly, even if it took a few years of persuading. Unfortunately Sting did not come because he said in an interview he was not confident Vince would use his character properly after watching the other guys
@SRPC21 Well I cant relate to Nexus, I dont watch WWE. I always was under the impression Sting was anti-wwf because of the sex angles during the attitude era, but I could be wrong. In hindsight you of course are right. Vince should have waited untill he had signed a Goldberg, Flair or the nWo before doing an invasion angle. The guys he brought in during the summer of 01 just did not have the name recognition with the WWF fans at the time. But guys were not buried (for the most part).
@cmpody I don't know mate we may have to agree to disagree with the last part! There's an interesting article cited if you type 'why was the wcw invasion so bad' on google and find the first link from Yahoo Answers (scroll down to Steven's post).
I read the rise and fall of wcw book (not owned by the wwe) where the last chapter was about the invasion story line. It's a great read if you don't have it already.
Otherwise you may well have been a friend who was wwf fan at school!
@SRPC21 Well I disagree with the whole premise that the invasion angle was terrible. TV ratings, attendance, and PPV buy rates were all very comparable with the previous couple years. It wasnt executed perfectly and with the benefit of hindsight its a lot easier to point out the mistakes. But there were a bunch of really great TV moments and some really good matches.
@cmpody Of course buy rates were big, this was WCW vs WWF for god's sake.
"It was a feud that should have lasted years and years, one that had been built up in fans' minds as the ultimate battle in pro wrestling, collapsed after less than six months, and the end came in front of 10,142 fans paying a little over half a million dollars" (P.333, The Death of WCW).
When the wwf/wcw titles were unified, it was one of the worse buy-rates in the history of the company (that says it all).
@SRPC21 I dont have a book in front of me, but I find it hard to believe that only 10,000 fans watched survivor series in 2001. Just because an author thinks an angle should have lasted years and years, doesnt meant that it should have. And in reality it had been going on for years and years already and the WWF won because their product and talent was infinitely superior. The angle wasnt done perfectly, I think Ive made that pretty clear, but the idea that vince buried the wcw guys is just wrong
@SRPC21 One final thing regarding the whole Vince buried the WCW guys notion. Think about RVD, he came in and did not get put in a major fued with any big names right away. But he did get an oppurtunity to actually wrestle and the WWF fans went wild for him because of his great work in the ring. Fast forward to the end of the angle and he was in back to back main events. He got an opportunity and impressed the hell out of the fans and earned a push, which he got.
@cmpody Fans went mad for RVD because the ECW fans chanted his name and it caught on with the wwf fans because he had great matches.
I beg you though, please answer this very simply and briefly. Apart from Booker T, which WCW wrestler who came during the invasion came on to do great things in the wwe?
@SRPC21 I just completelly disagree about why RVD got over. A few hundred people chanting his name did not get him over with the rest of the audience, but his tremendous work in the ring did IMO. Let me turn it around on you, apart from Booker T which WCW wrestler deserved to go on to great things? Billy Kidman was pretty good, Storm could have probably been used better, maybe Stasiak, but these guys all got opportunites to wrestle just like RVD and they didnt get over for whatever reasons.
@cmpody Mike Awesome, Sean O' Hair, Mark Jindrak. There were not many to choose from in the first place to be honest, which is part of the problem. The paragraph I gave you was sourced from facts of attendances, although I believe he meant the unification of the WCW and WWF belts which on paper should have been a pretty big deal.
They were not put in matches against The Rock, Jerico, Angle etc. RVD had Jeff Hardy and won (his second match, he also won his first).
@cmpody It's become a tennis match of me saying 'Who was pushed?' and you saying 'Who deserved it?'. The fact is if no one from wcw deserved to be pushed then that in itself says that they were only bought over to get buried. Did Vince really intend on using these guys to main event against The Rock, Jerico, Angle, Stone Cold?
I think if he was going to bring these guys and do this storyline then he should have made the most of Awesome, Storm, Sean O' Hair etc instead of bringing them to lose
@SRPC21 But they werent brought in to lose initially. They were brought in as baby faces, and the audience said NO! Which forced the WWF to turn them heel and then they had to try to create some heat. My point is very simple, Vince doesnt bury guys who get over unless they really screw up. All of these guys got an opportunity to get over, they were all given matches on RAW and Smackdown, many had PPV matches and TV segments with the greatest mic worker in the history of the business.
@cmpody We're not really going anywhere with this. I think the overwhelming majority of fans, wrestling critics and those in the industry would agree that the majority of wcw stars were buried and made to look like clowns- you haven't really told me who was pushed apart from Booker T despite talent in Storm, DDP, Awesome, O' hair Kanyon, etc but we won't go there.
We will agree to disagree, you don't seem like a bad person and I know you genuinely see it in a different way to me.
@SRPC21 I think we have completely different definitions of what it is to bury someone in the wrestling business. IMO to bury someone is to drop them drastically on the card, make them lose matches to weaker (in terms of fan heat) opponents, drastically cut their promo time, or possibly give them a ridiculous gimmick which can accomplish all of those. I can think of zero examples of this, except DDP's stalker gimmick, but I believe that he was behind that idea and he still got a feud with taker.
@cmpody The guys bought over from WCW were pitted them against mid-carders. Vince had two of his top starts turn heel and join the alliance. The wcw and ecw guys weren't relegated to second banana, but rather to about firth-banana status.
The wcw guys were bought over and did not look a threat to the wwf in any way, shape, or form.
The Raw episode which announced the 'winner takes all' Survivor Series had four title matches, and in all four, the alliance guys LOST THEIR BELTS TO THE WWF GUYS
@SRPC21 Ok, this is just getting pointless, you and I are just looking at this through two different sets of eyes, you as an admitted WCW fan, me as a WWF fan looking at the angle from a business perspective. when survivor series was coming and the alliance guys all lost their belts (which meant that during the angle they had belts which refutes any argument of being buried during the angle btw) the story line was that the alliance stable was coming apart. Hence the title changes.
@cmpody Dude, you are an idiot. SO much money was blown on this angle when Vince could have made millions, please please read some books before saying it was from a business perspective.
ECW fans booed the hell out of the Big Show vs Batista. I guess Vince should have shut the wwe down, all of its wrestlers and made them lose to the ECW stars.
For the third time we will agree to disagree, but I urge you to read some books and journals on the angle before talking about business perspectives
@SRPC21 You have ignored every hole that i have poked in your arguments. Your can only try to compare the invasion angle with other angles and that is just BS. The audience didnt boo booker v bagwell they didnt give ANY REACTION AT ALL which is a nightmare. This was an angle kick off main event on RAW during the heydey of the WWF, not some angle 5 years later when the audience was different.
@SRPC21 Finally, and this is the last Im gonna comment on this, since you have proven your immaturity by resorting to name calling. But, I dont need an author to tell me what to think. I was a big fan at the time and watched every night and every ppv. I have never said the angle was perfectly done. What I have stated and stand by is that it is untrue that Vince buried every WCW guy, and that the angle was a complete failure. Thats it. And you have never addressed those points.
@cmpody I did mate but every single time I said something and said 'You think this and I think that' guns blazing again. Your fired seven different points at me in two posts because you couldn't fit it all in one and even had four or five to my responses.
I am happy to answer again in a week or something if you want to. But one point at a time please. I'm sorry for the name calling.
@SRPC21 "I did mate but every single time I said something and said 'You think this and I think that' guns blazing again. Your fired seven different points at me in two posts because you couldn't fit it all in one and even had four or five to my responses."
my response to this: WOW!!! not even Stone Cold could be this blunt.
@SRPC21 I dont disagree with your assesment that only RVD and Booker T got sizeable pushes. My only point is that no one was really buried. These guys all had pretty much clean slates with the WWF audience, and they all got a lot of ring time. Now you say they looked like clowns, I say they were playing their part as new heels to a company trying to draw some heat. You are looking at the angle as a WCW mark, and thats ok, but the wwf wasnt trying to appease that audience.
@XhoowieX During the main event of this very show. The crowd completely checks out for the main event. the only response is cheering during the heel interference of scsa and angle. I think the cheering would have been louder and longer if they would have gone after Bagwell too. Anyway, Vince was left with 2 choices end the storyline or make the turn with a WWF star who was over, defecting. He chose the latter and completed the turn during Invasion when Austin defected.
@pranavcrazyguy well ya Cena sucks he only has 5 moves and if he went to goto a heel he might get more popularity or get booed out of the building and quit lol
Austin: I Think You're A Complete Jackass Angle: Im A Hero, Not A Jackass Austin:You're A Jackass Angle: No, Im A Hero Austin: Jackass Angle: Hero Austin: Jackass Angle: Hero Austin: Jackass Angle: Hero lmaoooo . Classic WWF .
Buff Bagwell vs Booker T... wow my socks are blown off for that world heavyweight title match. That title's history was in the shitter up to that point before they invaded wwe. David Arquette was World champion and Vince Russo. For fucks sake Jeff Jarrett was WCW world champ 4 times.
@doesyourgodcomeinaca Yea it seems like the WCW marks have forgotten how shitty WCW was the last 2 years it was in existence. WCW was a joke and id guess roughly 90% of WWF fans were paying no attention to it during that time. They seem to think that mid card guys from a dying and eventually dead organization should have been pushed over high card WWF guys who were completely over with the crowd once the invasion angle started, which is just asinine.
lol at ron simmons grabbin the cash an jbl leaving the dollar. lol DAMN 6:40
brittanyxxbrttx 4 days ago
@Allapattahgoon My bad ididnt mean you i ment arsepirate lmao.
UKDannyBoyy91 3 weeks ago
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UKDannyBoyy91 3 weeks ago
This is so much better than the crap on wwe today.
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lol @ 4:36
mdhsyracuse 1 month ago
WCW Invasion > nWo Poison > Nexus saga
bashbro1able 2 months ago
@TheExodus5150 R-Truth was in the main event of Capital Punishment and Survivor Series so that already destroys your argument. Bourne is a vanilla midget with no personality, and Bryan is a MITB winner, which gurantees him a main event push at Wrestlemania, again, you brainless fucking retard, you have no argument. And Cena "klisses vince's ass?", dude, that's what everyone in WWE does, kiss his ass, if they didnt they would be employed. DUMB SHIT
ZipZagginGallifrey 2 months ago
@ZipZagginGallifrey wtf is wrong with daniel bryan?!?! he is an amazing wrestler who wrestled his way through the indies for 10 years and now he is the world heavyweight champion!! Punk is the WWE Champ and Bryan is the World Champ. Thats pretty damn awesome.
Forston23 2 months ago
@Forston23 theres nothing wrong with daniel bryan but I don't want to see him as a main event wrestler, sure he could do a job in the intercontintenal or tag team department, but surely not as the world champion? For instance could you imagine bryan in the attitude era? He wouldn't be good enough for the roster no mind the main event. Pretty ridicolous how he's world champ so quick with such poor mic skills and decent wrestling skills.
arsepirate90 1 month ago
@arsepirate90 i think daniel bryan would be good in the attitude era. no doubt we would see some danielson vs angle and danielson vs benoit,
Forston23 1 month ago
@Forston23 i have to disagree, can't see what exactly is daniel bryans gimmick really, there is nothing about him that interests me, from his theme tune to his mic skills or even wrestling ability.
arsepirate90 1 month ago
@arsepirate90 brian danielson (aka daniel bryan) has amazing wrestling ability and i think he has superb mic skills. granted he does need to evolve his character a bit, but if u saw the end of smackdown they are possibly going to turn him heel. that should be interested
Forston23 1 month ago
@ZipZagginGallifrey Seems like anyone can make the main event these days when the boring daniel bryan is champ.
arsepirate90 1 month ago
@TheExodus5150 I love how idiots like you catergorize attitude era marks as "true wrestling fans". Grow up you pea-brained piss-ant, the reality is this buisness does not begin and end with the attitude era, there are other eras to enjoy. The fact is you only enjoy ONE era of wrestling shows your range of scope is minimum, you are NOT a true wrestling fan, as true wrestling fans can enjoy more than one era and find positives in today's product. I don't like Cena, but there's Punk
ZipZagginGallifrey 2 months ago
@TheExodus5150 I hate people like you; '"Cena sucks fuck him asskisser blabla''
I know some facts are right and some aint. The truth is, you can say whatever you like, but WWE isnt going to change because 100,000 of the 100,000,000,000 fans dont like it. Its a waste of time, and you're showing how retarded you are to hate cena over every WWE video, WHERE HE ISNT EVEN IN!! Just stop trolling and enjoy WWE as how it is, if you don't like it, why waste your time over Cena and WWE?
FrankDeLier 2 months ago
I LOVED the dorky Kurt Angle! And him and Stone Cold were great together!
tubehows4life 3 months ago
holyshit stone cold is fucking hilarious aha....ps kurt angle is now an american olympic bald jackass haaa
wooo420IsWicked 3 months ago
1:17 best part EVER!!!
joeleffler 3 months ago
cauliflower ears lmfao. omg austin i love you
tncl85 3 months ago
no im a hero no ur a jackass lol
mzbarbie23 4 months ago
lil coli flower ears lol ohhh hell yeahhh!!!
mzbarbie23 4 months ago
As good as this storyline is compared to today, you could tell how confused the audience was in this segment. Still better than the dead crowds of today where all the pops are phoned in.
bigjew899 4 months ago
brought to by the letter s
for sellouts from what a great comapany this used to be
DjSmotpoker 4 months ago
Shane McMahon cut a better promo here than anything I have seen on WWE programming lately...
jerryz9983 4 months ago
who was the mole in the yard?
alecvalenzuela1 5 months ago
This invasion angle should have waited til 2002.
TheWarrior2Game7 5 months ago
they had to do it b4 9/11
RAGSTAluvsDA90z 5 months ago
they had to do it b4 9/11
RAGSTAluvsDA90z 5 months ago
Look at that Championship title Steve Austin is holding. That is a true and good looking title(Attitude Era Championship), not that Cena Spinner Garbage(PG Era Championship).
RTJ87 5 months ago
stone cold was a joke. what happened to the long blonde hair steve? all of a sudden he became a tough ass redneck. his finisher was the worst.
loki110872 5 months ago
@loki110872 hahaha what the hell
cburns1689 5 months ago
Boobs
supervilla06 5 months ago
WrestleMania XVII....Austin's heel turn...WTF?!?!??! Ahhhhh....when WWF/WWE had good writers and knew how to turn a awesome face to a awesome heel!!
shakysyxx 5 months ago
I miss those days when WWF and WCW were still around. the new PG sh!t sucks
zarow555 6 months ago 4
little cauliflower ears hahaha
qothesa 6 months ago
Is This Raw ? Or Is This A Episode Of Sesame Street ...
MegaDJack10 6 months ago
Raw is brought to you today by the letter I
crescentfallen99 6 months ago
i think shane should have said barney and friends instead of sesame street but sesame street made the statment come out with making sense.
larghettowrestler 6 months ago
Where was Goldberg during this whole thing?
99dodgeram360 6 months ago
@99dodgeram360 japan
Howler15 6 months ago
@Howler15 doing what?
99dodgeram360 6 months ago
@99dodgeram360 training and fighting
Howler15 6 months ago
@Howler15 was he still part of WCW at the time?
99dodgeram360 6 months ago
@99dodgeram360 no wcw had died and all contracts were expired
Howler15 6 months ago
ahahahahaha too good!!!
demolitioninc1 6 months ago
WWF should bring Kurt back. He's a great wrestler and hes funny
lelo819 6 months ago
Your a jackass...no ima hero! your a jackass! ima hero Jackass, Hero,jackass ,Hero, jackass hero, jackass, hero!!! lol
SpittahTV 6 months ago
This storyline trumps over anything John Cena has had or will ever have.
OGJokerJKA96 7 months ago
And with McMahon basically having control of WWE, WCW and ECW, you could've taken a page from boxing, and had a champion own all 3 belts at the same time. Someone like The Rock could've help elevate all 3 entities if he were the unified champion for a period of time, making appearances on WWE, WCW, and ECW events. The illusion should've been to keep WCW separate, with subtle WWE influence, not integrate WCW into WWE altogether.
finisher3x 7 months ago 3
The mistake that the WWE made, is that they didn't keep WCW separate 90% of the time. Think of baseball, with their American and National leagues. They only come together for a few weeks a year. It's still baseball, but the strategy and tactics are different in each league. The Raw vs Smackdown split wasn't the way to go, unless you make Smackdown . . WCW Smackdown. And if you had to add one or two major WWE superstarts to make WCW work, then that's the direction they should've gone in.
finisher3x 7 months ago 2
@finisher3x hey stupid that was the original idea, but NOBODY wanted WCW anymore, it was dead n buried, why have someone like Rock appear on all those shows? they were seperated bcuz of the oversize roster, it gave other stars a chance to rise, the wrestlers would work less, so more likely you would of had more stars on drugs, n deaths due to ur selfishness, n uncaring for the stars well being..Attitude era is dead n gone markl, get over it
Allapattahgoon 7 months ago
@cupcakegirlrocks after, wrestlemanias r always in april 1,2,3 , and or sometimes march 1,2,3,
smokestorm88 7 months ago
if shane had asked this in 2011, i'd say it was seseme street.
vijay20 7 months ago
WHAT?
Dirtyknuckles23 8 months ago
2:53 "He's a jackass"
seendc 8 months ago
Listen to around 5:01 - Booker T gets booed for hitting heel Austin with the title...:)
pranavcrazyguy 8 months ago
Hero! Jackass! Hero! Jackass! LMAO
tcbadazz1 8 months ago
Kurt Angle was great.
ak47523 8 months ago
I miss the APA... they were a classic team
BarFlySupreme 9 months ago
Hate him all you want, but I loooooooved Kurt Angle the day he stepped foot in the WWF. He was great at being a goof, a hero and a heel.
aslidaku911 9 months ago
3:27 - 3:29 they should play that line after every episode of wwe 2011
baderhouli 9 months ago 52
@baderhouli asshole the reason they made it pg its because of john cena and his fans watch and when the kids watch this at john cena jokes they laugh that why asshole get use to it.If you want tv 14 watch tna impact wrestling on thursdays at 8 o clock on spike tv
luna81608 3 months ago
@luna81608 this comment was posted 6 months ago get a life bitch
baderhouli 3 months ago
@luna81608 Why dont you shut the fuck up asshole? WWE made it PG because they earn SOOOO MUCH MORE money from it. It has nothing to do with Cena, Ofcourse, Cena is the face of the WWE, but the WWE Writers make him the way they want. Practicly Cena has nothing to say what he wants.
So get your information before you're posting retarded comments in here. Fucking jackass
FrankDeLier 2 months ago
best angle in wwe history
OCcrazy1 10 months ago
WCW gave wwf some really hot divas :P
Karanboury 10 months ago 28
@Karanboury Who Stacy and Torie? that's all i can remember who else was there?
Foxhaven2482 3 weeks ago
this storyline was great for 40 days, then they turn every wcw member heel, and it all went to hell
chrisgangsta 10 months ago 2
2:05 A wild snorlax appears!
Bats526 10 months ago
@Bats526 this is wwf and not gay pokemon.
yukikodethmetal666 10 months ago
@yukikodethmetal666 lol i was talking about the fat dudein the front row XD
Bats526 10 months ago
@yukikodethmetal666 they're both awesome
IR305 8 months ago
Did the APA ever find that mole?
JacktheDragon10 11 months ago
@JacktheDragon10 yeah. it was Test
baria87 9 months ago
BUFF BAGWELL!!!!
samuelvic 1 year ago
WOW! Even back then, the first 15 minutes of Raw were just cutting a promo.
Satellite2145 1 year ago
WHO WEARS SHORT SHORTS, HE WEARS SHORT SHORTS!!!
mjvincent337 1 year ago
this is the time when Kurt angle and Stone Cold where bum buddy's lol
sikokiller12 1 year ago
lol i miss da old dayz
thugsmoke4life 1 year ago
cant wait for tna invading wwe..think this is the year..hoping..i like tna but its just a spin off of what they did in wwe/f and the same crap as they had in wcw. they cant beat wwe unless they clean up thier act. stop the running of the company crap. but hey dont matter what tna doesnt as long shane, shane, and steph is living wwe s here to stray..
fallingrelief 1 year ago
stone cold being heel just never worked,people still cheered him,they had to do something a heck of alot better than joining vince
ViporVlogs 1 year ago
@ViporVlogs I dont know, Austin got over after Invasion as a paranoid, egotistical, comedic heel. Pretty impressive really. But your right for the most part, as Austin started doing more and more comedy the crowd eventually forced the face turn as soon as the invasion angle ended. What?
cmpody 11 months ago
This is when vince tried to make wcw a baby face group, which while I think showed some class in what became after an ego-fueled storyline, was a flawed move as the wwf fans were never going to cheer for wcw no matter what.
Vince was going to make Raw WCW but after people walked out of booker vs bagwell he pulled the plug and the WCW wrestlers got buried in every match. Everyone dreamt of this match up and it had so much potential but it disappointed which is such a damn shame :(
SRPC21 1 year ago 2
@SRPC21 I agree with everything you say except for the whole wcw wrestlers got buried point. I get really tired of this notion. The alliance was a heel stable, with little initial heat outside of DDP and then Austin. Baby faces who are over with the crowd dont do clean jobs for heels with no heat. Its counterproductive to business. They had to create some heat and the easiest/quickest way to do this is to have your heels cheat to win. And babyfaces have to win without cheating its the business.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody I disagree, the likes of Brock Lesner came in as a big heel and a genuine threat to the biggest wwe wrestlers. He did not need to cheat to win or look like a crap wrestler just to get the good guys over.
The best rivalries are the ones where fans are genuinely convinced the bad guys are much stronger before eventually the good guys find the strength and heart. That's why the NWO were so successful, and to a less extent Nexus (although they did cheat, they were a genuine threat).
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Ok you are comparing Lesnar who is a huge guy (in real life) and a fantastic real wrestler and the NWO guys (all huge already established stars) with guys the WWF audience did not know. Lesnar got huge initial heat because he had a heel manager (Heyman) and he was just freaking impressive with everything he did oh and he was already famous from real world events. The WWF did not have time to wait for the audience to develop heat for each individual alliance wrestler. Hence the cheating.
cmpody 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I'm sorry, it was a joke and the wcw stars were made to look unimportant in all of it. I really don't understand how you can say otherwise.
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 You just admitted that they all lost their beltts in the lead up to survivor series. How is having a title belt of any kind looking unimportant. And again you seem to have changed your argument from, "everyone was buried" (which is what I originally objected to, and have proven is untrue from a true defenition of what being buried is) to, "well they looked weak, or unimportant."
cmpody 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Now with regards to all of the guys dropping their belts at RAW in the lead to survivor series. That is called story telling, they new the angle was coming to an end, and they knew the WWF would win, so they decided to make the alliance look divided to set up a defecter (Angle). Again the narrative that I object to is the notion that everyone was buried during the angle. How can that be true when so many alliance guys had titles during the angle?
cmpody 11 months ago
@SRPC21 One final thing I want to say on this matter, you have to look at the angle from a booker's POV and remember how awful the reputation was of the WCW from late 99 up to this point. It would have been very difficult to expect the audience to accept a bunch of former mid card wcw wrestlesr to come into the wwf and just dominate. The audience would have shit all over it and they more or less did, when the invasion was a babyface. See Bagwell v Booker T from raw and listen to the crowd.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Furthermore, having team wwe completely wipe out wcw on every occasion unless there was big interference (even then sometimes the wwe wrestler would wipe them all out) this did make the wcw wrestlers get buried.
What would have been wrong if WCW vs WWF had matches in the way a heel Hulk Hogan vs babyface Rock had at Wrestlemania X8?
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I seem to remember a time when almost every major title was held by an alliance member. Also, Rock vs Hogan was special/different because, well, it was The freaking Rock vs freaking Hulk Hogan, 2 of the 3 biggest mainstream stars in wrestling history. It would be kind of hard to do the same work in a Lance Storm Chris Jericho match. Again I ask who was really buried. The only guy I could think of was DDP and he proposed his storyline upon entering the WWF not the other way around.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Well WCW vs WWF should have been bigger than Hulk Hogan vs The Rock- it wasn't. I guess the problem boils down to the fact that none of the big wcw wresters such as Goldberg, Sting, Scott Steiner, etc took part in it so maybe in that sense 'heat' would not need to have been developed (wwf had all the time in the world to develop it though)
However, instead of make the most of what he had and give the likes of Storm, DDP, Mike Awesome, a push, WCW did not come across as any threat
SRPC21 11 months ago 2
@SRPC21 There were 2 major problems with the invasion storyline from a logistical perspective. 1) Like you said most of the biggest wcw names were not part of the angle and 2) it drastically increased the wwf's active roster to the point that there was not enough TV time to get each individual alliance member over with an audience that was for the most part ignorant of their recent matches/promos because by mid 2000 no one was really watching wcw any longer.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Sorry I've just realised I didn't answer your question lol. I generally feel the likes of Hugh Morris, Shawn Stasiak, and Chris Kanyon who I don't think won one match (apart from being a rubbish tag team in the Invasion PPV) were bought in to put people over more than anything else.
I guess it's part of my childhood I will always remember because I was such a WCW fan and dreamt of them fighting WWF and ended up being really disappointed!
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I can understand your frustration since you were a wcw mark. But those guys were mid card wrestlers in a dying organization. If they got huge pushes when they came to wwf, that means someone else (most likely an already established wwf guy) would have gotten significantly less tv time. Maybe they should not have focused all of the alliance storyline around Austin, but its hard to push guys on Raw and Smackdown who the fans for the most part had little knowledge of.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody You're right to an extent but look at Nexus, no one knew who they were yet they became a serious force in the wwe and were more of a threat than any of the alliance (I do get your point though).
I think Vince should have just splashed out on bringing the big boys over and done it properly, even if it took a few years of persuading. Unfortunately Sting did not come because he said in an interview he was not confident Vince would use his character properly after watching the other guys
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Well I cant relate to Nexus, I dont watch WWE. I always was under the impression Sting was anti-wwf because of the sex angles during the attitude era, but I could be wrong. In hindsight you of course are right. Vince should have waited untill he had signed a Goldberg, Flair or the nWo before doing an invasion angle. The guys he brought in during the summer of 01 just did not have the name recognition with the WWF fans at the time. But guys were not buried (for the most part).
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody I don't know mate we may have to agree to disagree with the last part! There's an interesting article cited if you type 'why was the wcw invasion so bad' on google and find the first link from Yahoo Answers (scroll down to Steven's post).
I read the rise and fall of wcw book (not owned by the wwe) where the last chapter was about the invasion story line. It's a great read if you don't have it already.
Otherwise you may well have been a friend who was wwf fan at school!
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Well I disagree with the whole premise that the invasion angle was terrible. TV ratings, attendance, and PPV buy rates were all very comparable with the previous couple years. It wasnt executed perfectly and with the benefit of hindsight its a lot easier to point out the mistakes. But there were a bunch of really great TV moments and some really good matches.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Of course buy rates were big, this was WCW vs WWF for god's sake.
"It was a feud that should have lasted years and years, one that had been built up in fans' minds as the ultimate battle in pro wrestling, collapsed after less than six months, and the end came in front of 10,142 fans paying a little over half a million dollars" (P.333, The Death of WCW).
When the wwf/wcw titles were unified, it was one of the worse buy-rates in the history of the company (that says it all).
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I dont have a book in front of me, but I find it hard to believe that only 10,000 fans watched survivor series in 2001. Just because an author thinks an angle should have lasted years and years, doesnt meant that it should have. And in reality it had been going on for years and years already and the WWF won because their product and talent was infinitely superior. The angle wasnt done perfectly, I think Ive made that pretty clear, but the idea that vince buried the wcw guys is just wrong
cmpody 11 months ago
@SRPC21 One final thing regarding the whole Vince buried the WCW guys notion. Think about RVD, he came in and did not get put in a major fued with any big names right away. But he did get an oppurtunity to actually wrestle and the WWF fans went wild for him because of his great work in the ring. Fast forward to the end of the angle and he was in back to back main events. He got an opportunity and impressed the hell out of the fans and earned a push, which he got.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Fans went mad for RVD because the ECW fans chanted his name and it caught on with the wwf fans because he had great matches.
I beg you though, please answer this very simply and briefly. Apart from Booker T, which WCW wrestler who came during the invasion came on to do great things in the wwe?
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I just completelly disagree about why RVD got over. A few hundred people chanting his name did not get him over with the rest of the audience, but his tremendous work in the ring did IMO. Let me turn it around on you, apart from Booker T which WCW wrestler deserved to go on to great things? Billy Kidman was pretty good, Storm could have probably been used better, maybe Stasiak, but these guys all got opportunites to wrestle just like RVD and they didnt get over for whatever reasons.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Mike Awesome, Sean O' Hair, Mark Jindrak. There were not many to choose from in the first place to be honest, which is part of the problem. The paragraph I gave you was sourced from facts of attendances, although I believe he meant the unification of the WCW and WWF belts which on paper should have been a pretty big deal.
They were not put in matches against The Rock, Jerico, Angle etc. RVD had Jeff Hardy and won (his second match, he also won his first).
SRPC21 11 months ago
@cmpody It's become a tennis match of me saying 'Who was pushed?' and you saying 'Who deserved it?'. The fact is if no one from wcw deserved to be pushed then that in itself says that they were only bought over to get buried. Did Vince really intend on using these guys to main event against The Rock, Jerico, Angle, Stone Cold?
I think if he was going to bring these guys and do this storyline then he should have made the most of Awesome, Storm, Sean O' Hair etc instead of bringing them to lose
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 But they werent brought in to lose initially. They were brought in as baby faces, and the audience said NO! Which forced the WWF to turn them heel and then they had to try to create some heat. My point is very simple, Vince doesnt bury guys who get over unless they really screw up. All of these guys got an opportunity to get over, they were all given matches on RAW and Smackdown, many had PPV matches and TV segments with the greatest mic worker in the history of the business.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody We're not really going anywhere with this. I think the overwhelming majority of fans, wrestling critics and those in the industry would agree that the majority of wcw stars were buried and made to look like clowns- you haven't really told me who was pushed apart from Booker T despite talent in Storm, DDP, Awesome, O' hair Kanyon, etc but we won't go there.
We will agree to disagree, you don't seem like a bad person and I know you genuinely see it in a different way to me.
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I think we have completely different definitions of what it is to bury someone in the wrestling business. IMO to bury someone is to drop them drastically on the card, make them lose matches to weaker (in terms of fan heat) opponents, drastically cut their promo time, or possibly give them a ridiculous gimmick which can accomplish all of those. I can think of zero examples of this, except DDP's stalker gimmick, but I believe that he was behind that idea and he still got a feud with taker.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody The guys bought over from WCW were pitted them against mid-carders. Vince had two of his top starts turn heel and join the alliance. The wcw and ecw guys weren't relegated to second banana, but rather to about firth-banana status.
The wcw guys were bought over and did not look a threat to the wwf in any way, shape, or form.
The Raw episode which announced the 'winner takes all' Survivor Series had four title matches, and in all four, the alliance guys LOST THEIR BELTS TO THE WWF GUYS
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Ok, this is just getting pointless, you and I are just looking at this through two different sets of eyes, you as an admitted WCW fan, me as a WWF fan looking at the angle from a business perspective. when survivor series was coming and the alliance guys all lost their belts (which meant that during the angle they had belts which refutes any argument of being buried during the angle btw) the story line was that the alliance stable was coming apart. Hence the title changes.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody Dude, you are an idiot. SO much money was blown on this angle when Vince could have made millions, please please read some books before saying it was from a business perspective.
ECW fans booed the hell out of the Big Show vs Batista. I guess Vince should have shut the wwe down, all of its wrestlers and made them lose to the ECW stars.
For the third time we will agree to disagree, but I urge you to read some books and journals on the angle before talking about business perspectives
SRPC21 11 months ago
@SRPC21 You have ignored every hole that i have poked in your arguments. Your can only try to compare the invasion angle with other angles and that is just BS. The audience didnt boo booker v bagwell they didnt give ANY REACTION AT ALL which is a nightmare. This was an angle kick off main event on RAW during the heydey of the WWF, not some angle 5 years later when the audience was different.
cmpody 11 months ago
@SRPC21 Finally, and this is the last Im gonna comment on this, since you have proven your immaturity by resorting to name calling. But, I dont need an author to tell me what to think. I was a big fan at the time and watched every night and every ppv. I have never said the angle was perfectly done. What I have stated and stand by is that it is untrue that Vince buried every WCW guy, and that the angle was a complete failure. Thats it. And you have never addressed those points.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody I did mate but every single time I said something and said 'You think this and I think that' guns blazing again. Your fired seven different points at me in two posts because you couldn't fit it all in one and even had four or five to my responses.
I am happy to answer again in a week or something if you want to. But one point at a time please. I'm sorry for the name calling.
SRPC21 11 months ago
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@SRPC21 "I did mate but every single time I said something and said 'You think this and I think that' guns blazing again. Your fired seven different points at me in two posts because you couldn't fit it all in one and even had four or five to my responses."
my response to this: WOW!!! not even Stone Cold could be this blunt.
SAMMYJS991 11 months ago
@SRPC21 I dont disagree with your assesment that only RVD and Booker T got sizeable pushes. My only point is that no one was really buried. These guys all had pretty much clean slates with the WWF audience, and they all got a lot of ring time. Now you say they looked like clowns, I say they were playing their part as new heels to a company trying to draw some heat. You are looking at the angle as a WCW mark, and thats ok, but the wwf wasnt trying to appease that audience.
cmpody 11 months ago
NO IM A HERO JACKASS HERO
pliesbaby90 1 year ago
when did wwe become face in this storyline?
XhoowieX 1 year ago
@XhoowieX During the main event of this very show. The crowd completely checks out for the main event. the only response is cheering during the heel interference of scsa and angle. I think the cheering would have been louder and longer if they would have gone after Bagwell too. Anyway, Vince was left with 2 choices end the storyline or make the turn with a WWF star who was over, defecting. He chose the latter and completed the turn during Invasion when Austin defected.
cmpody 11 months ago
@cmpody ahh thanks for that it's been annoying me for ages lol.
XhoowieX 11 months ago
lol "hello by the way"
shaunthevirus 1 year ago
APA !!!
3101jimbo 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Wow Buff Bagwell what a let down...
numbayoyo 1 year ago
John Cena the face can't compete for popularity with Stone Cold the heel..lol
pranavcrazyguy 1 year ago 64
@pranavcrazyguy hev you seen those kids they are crazy after him
paprikapasta95 8 months ago
@pranavcrazyguy well ya Cena sucks he only has 5 moves and if he went to goto a heel he might get more popularity or get booed out of the building and quit lol
NickLuce 6 months ago
storyline would have been ten times better if it came down to the two guys who their own companies during the MNW.....stone cold vs hogan
UKNOTO81 1 year ago
Who was the eventual mole?
hazzadogss 1 year ago
@hazzadogss Paul Heyman.
BrianBorg87 1 year ago
iSyxxBoi 1 year ago 4
Buff Bagwell vs Booker T... wow my socks are blown off for that world heavyweight title match. That title's history was in the shitter up to that point before they invaded wwe. David Arquette was World champion and Vince Russo. For fucks sake Jeff Jarrett was WCW world champ 4 times.
doesyourgodcomeinaca 1 year ago
@doesyourgodcomeinaca Yea it seems like the WCW marks have forgotten how shitty WCW was the last 2 years it was in existence. WCW was a joke and id guess roughly 90% of WWF fans were paying no attention to it during that time. They seem to think that mid card guys from a dying and eventually dead organization should have been pushed over high card WWF guys who were completely over with the crowd once the invasion angle started, which is just asinine.
cmpody 11 months ago
@doesyourgodcomeinaca jeff jarret can play a good heel
hbk2hhh 10 months ago
this was great
Wags203 1 year ago 29