Amazing, not just what he says but that he could explain it in five minutes. Try asking him a question on the Middle East and see if he can do it in under five minutes.
Something that realy surprised me, when I first heard it: even at the height of the cold war, Russia was supplying natural gas to _Western_ Europe. Like, there were 30.000 tanks stationed along the iron curtain and in the middst of all this some piplines were pumping away happily.
@highandlonesomeradio The old false propaganda dichotomy: "If you critizice capitalism you are pro socialism/dictatorship/etc". Chomsky is right on this one, US has never been a beacon of democracy or human rights for other countries, maybe inside the US but definetly not on foreign policy.
britan was the freest country in the world,but where like nazis in india, the us is the freest country in the world now and is the most brutal around the world, theres no coralation between these two things, but that is a coralation asshole
@roman14032 You misunderstood. The correlation he was arguing against was that internal brutality of states was linked to external brutality toward other nations (and ditto for internal freedom and external peacefulness). Britain and the US violate that correlation.
The correlation you think exists (internal freedom and external agression) isn't correct, since the 1930s fascist states and today's european social democracies clearly violate it.
@Diderooot i wasn't clear in my comment. what i meant was Chomsky, though his rhetorical approach,is denying Marxist imperialism while correlating British and US imperialism. focus on his rhetoric, that's the message that actually sticks. USA and Britain DAGEROUS, USSR harmless
this isn't a professor of history
this isn't a professor of philosophy,or international relations
this is a professor of LINGUISTICS,and this is display of his expertise.
As Iran will not trade his oil with the US in even a 1000 years cause the US has overthrown with UK help an elected government in Iran in 1953 to reinstall the Shah in order to allow US and UK cooporations to continue to exploit the iranian ressources and steal the benefits its almost obvious that the american fascist state will go for Iran sooner of later.The totally legal iranian claim to develope its own nuclear programm is the bluntest false flagg one can imagine...fuck the cooporate US
Chomsky is a living legend, I was a brainwashed muppet until I discovered his material. it was a quite sobering experience to realise that my so called opnions especially on the power system and geo politics was nothing more than a propogadised conjecture thanks to the biased corporate media
@GoooObama08 You seem to know what's going on. I just laughed to myself for a second that your youtube name is Go Obama, but then I realized that was probably before you woke up.
Chomsky is right, any assfuck here saying otherwise has his head so deep in their own ass that all they are able to do is character attack, in order to avoid all substantial criticism of the points Chomsky makes.
@tannersanta I agree. I have never heard a substantive refutation of Chompsky's arguments, nor have I come across any information that refutes his facts in my own studies. His analysis is solid.
USA will allways need an enemy to justify it's military industrial complex. from USSR to islam radicals, who knows what's to follow.
but they're so smart that they only target 3rd world countries, the countries that have the power to stop it are just too comfortable or brainwashed to care. that's what i call highly intelligent imperialism.
The upshot is that patriotism is a great way to aid your own government in subjugating yourself as it uses your energies to subjugate other societies.
Astonishing how the rubbish confidently spouted by the guru - that the Soviet's reach was not long (what continents are Cuba, Angola, Ethiopia, etc. on?) and therefore posed no threat - receives such worship and adulation here. A remarkable social phenomenon.
@zubbubbi Or that it didn't do harm... He wants to paint America as the imperial power and he wants us to ignore things like East Germany, Poland etc. His audience is mostly young people who don't know anything about the cold war. They can't get along in the world and he's telling them it's not their fault, but rather unseen sinister forces are holding them back. Very much a cult leader.
@Allrightteam Chomsky clearly states that the USSR was a threat to all societies it was influencing...He is stating that neither state was a threat to each other's populations, (Americans to Soviets, Soviets to Americans) but to population of third world countries they wanted to leech resources from...
@insertnamehereKJK Yeah, and how is that not a threat? Or, if it really were as simple as a reducing problem, and both sides having weapons cancels out the weapons (which is a pretty absurd way to think about it,) how was allowing the Soviet Union to take over half the world supposed to help the U.S., or the world?
What resources did we imperialists leech from S. Korea? Look at them now. Look at N. Korea. More people have starved to death in N. Korea than died during the Korean War.
@lancelottodd Chomsky says that any state under Soviet influence was threatened, like N.Korea (though it had a degree of independence). The Korean War was not a preemptive strike from the USA, it was a reaction. Though in countries like Nicaragua and Vietnam, threats were blown out of proportion to justify taking resources, like in Iraq...Just like the Soviets did in Afghanistan, and the USA is doing now...
@insertnamehereKJK I'm not getting this "resources" kick.. What resources have we taken from Iraq or Afghanistan? Vietnam? Nicaragua? Japan? West Germany?
Iraq now has total control over its own economy. If it decides not to trade with us, oh well then. Contrariwise, we have given back to the people of Iraq ownership of their own political process, and built innumerable schools, hospitals, what have you.. The same is true for Afghanistan, which didn't even have roads.
@lancelottodd I'm really not sure if you're aware of this, but the reason we invaded Iraq is because of oil...The same reason Saddam attacked the Kirkuk region of Iraq, to take oil from the Kurd populated areas...Now Kirkuk and the Kurdistan Republic have the highest economic growth rate since the invasion...Afghanistan is rich in opium, and other resources, where is this idea we are moral crusaders coming from?
@lancelottodd How many executives have to state "we came for oil" out in the open before you accept that? Halliburton, Federal Reserve chairmen, what the hell else do you need? Saddam attempted to trade oil in different currency than dollars, of course the USA imperialists couldn't let this happen! The Iraqi Constitution of today even states a liberal , not national like Saddam Hussein made, oil policy that can cave to foreign companies!
@insertnamehereKJK Well.. apparently you have been brainwashed by what I call "anti-Propaganda." Someone tells you a thing, you don't trust them, so you just assume the worst. This isn't "reason;" it's mush.
All I can say is look at Germany, Japan, South Korea.. all the places the U.S. has been accused of "imperialising." Now look at the former African colonies of ACTUAL imperialists. If American imperialism is a real concept, it appears to work.
@lancelottodd No, I'm not 'anti-propaganda' brainwashed, you're looking for the guys at RussiaToday, not me. No one is saying the USA was imperialist towards those developed countries...Except for the fact US troops are pointlessly in the area...The corporations of the USA invade countries to take what they can, just ask Halliburton and Exxon, they're not quiet about it. I can't believe you don't see that, this isn't a 9/11 conspiracy theory my friend, this is in plain sight! Cheers!
@insertnamehereKJK "Economic growth rate" does not equate to "Leeching resources" by my understanding of the English language. We know Saddam Hussein began sending money and weapons to the Taliban while we were fighting them. We know he had WMDs because he used them on those Kurds you mentioned, and during the Iraq-Iran war. So.. we set out to annihilate Saddam Hussein. Job done. Now the Iraqis can sell their oil to whoever they want. This isn't imperialism.
@lancelottodd Saddam was sending weapons to the Taliban? Really now? Where is your source of that? Saddam was an Iraqi dictator who crushed Islamic extremism, it is completely idiotic to state he supported al-qaeda or the taliban. He even suggested attacking Saudi Arabia back during the 1st Gulf war, not exactly the best "Islamic terrorist" move!
@insertnamehereKJK Yes, and you seem to be under the misapprehension that one would have to "be" and Islamic fundamentalist terrorist to "support" and Islamic fundamentalist terrorist.
@lancelottodd Yes, one would have to sympathize with Islamic terrorist goals to be a supporter of Islamic terrorism...You have no facts linking Saddam with bin Laden, al qaeda, or the Taliban (of all people, the Taliban! They're in Afghanistan!). The USA government even said that, I'm astonished by your ignorance.
@insertnamehereKJK The theocrats that owned your country harbored, trained, and financially supported militants, and actively participated in those militants killing 3,000 American civilians. Why? Because we support a tiny nation that would otherwise be completely obliterated by its neighbors, simply because they practice the wrong religion.
So, in response, we removed those people, gave you your country back, and built you an infrastructure from nothing, for nothing. How is this imperialism?
@lancelottodd You're completely delusional to suggest I'm a muslim. Where were Bosnians in 9/11? You're a complete fool for making that comment. Religion? You think that's what the Yugoslav Wars were about? Again you're accepting those propaganda lies you are fed...It was a war about who could carve out as much of SFRJ as they could, get a clue. Bosnian Muslims are the most secular in the world, they all nearly drink alcohol...Even they hated the Mujahideens that came to fight.
@insertnamehereKJK I didn't suggest you were a Muslim. I was using the plural form of "you," speaking figuratively to one of the countries that you mentioned we were "imperialisng," Afghanistan.
Also, you appear to be misinformed about whose side we were fighting for during the Kosovo War.
@lancelottodd What are you talking about, I know very well the USA financed the KLA, where on earth did I state otherwise, or even where did I bring up Kosovo?!
well, leaving aside n.c.'s brilliant analysis for the moment, isn't it wonderful to see him talking in a relaxed way, without a microphone, and without the confines of a radio or television station, or even a book, like a man who exists in nature, with natural thoughts, outside any mediation (ok, except for the camera recording the event)...to me, it's not something to joke about, it's serious as a bomb...
@trgsdfj "He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher."--Walt Whitman (by 'destroy the teacher' he means eliminate the disparity of knowledge) You are as smart as any of these people, you merely have to educate yourself and learn the principals of reason and logic. Anyone can raise to this level of intellect if they apply themselves.
as much as chomsky has an incredible, outstandingly exceptional mind with more insight than most people, & should be an inspiration for everyone.... he is still just a human being & people would do well to remember that not everything that comes out of his mouth is gospel. he does make mistakes, & he doesn't always have a clear perspective (this isn't regarding this particular video by the way). question what he says as much as you would do with anyone else.
Agreed, I would like to see Chomsky vs. Friedman battle to the death on a remote desert island. Then the winner has to eat the losers corpse for sustenance.
I just rewatched "Return of the Jedi" a week earlier. I can't help thinking this conversation is about The Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire. On the Battle Ground of Endor for good measure.
@fireflame65 Sometimes I drop my head when I'm listening to a person give a detailed point, so I can internalize it better without any distraction. Would that scare you?.
And I think the film is edited to only show Chomsky's points, and no one elses.
I agree with much of what Chomsky said except for the claim that the Soviets posed no threat to America in the 1980's. The russians had achieved nuclear parity with us. They had the capability to bomb us back into the stone ages. They also had satellite regimes spread all over Latin America. How was that not a threat?
@sgm3332 Soviets were more afraid of America than hatching plans for world dominance. Which country used nuclear weapons on innocent civilians again? It was the Americans sperading freedom and democracy. If you call the communist countries USSR satellites (as they were called by US propoganda) than the US had that aswell in W.Europe and US used its influence frequently to push laws, sponsor propoganda and flowed in money when people got angry at the American dominance.
@SuperLatvian While I would agree with your sentiment, I question how the use of nuclear weapons is relevant, you do realize that the US killed way more people using firebombs and starvation? Are you seriously trying to argue that killing someone by splitting an atom is somehow more evil than bashing their head on a rock?
I think I have to disagree with Chomsky here. The Soviet Union itself didnt have such a long reach, but communism had. A great danger (from the western point of view) was that Asia and parts of Afrika would fall to communism.
Not to mention south America, in which CIA supported an attack on Chile to kill a president that had been democratically elected.
@gulbirk The Soviet Union was not socialistic though. Like Chomsky explains, that was USSR's propaganda image. And America perpetuated that image, in order to discredit the ideology of socialism. Socialism works just fine in certain other countries, such as Denmark or Sweden.
@Stuart0305 You call denmark and Sweden socialists?
I gues you would call Norway socialist to?
Well it isnt. Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all capitalist countries that simply have high taxes, regulations and restrictions. And also, to an extent, companies that are state owned.
But beyond that, most jobs in these countries are in the private market.
"England in the XIX was the highest example of freedom...they (the English) behaved like the Nazis in India. I completely disagree with both parts of that sweeping statement. Manchester in XIX and its deplorable conditions for the masses was the inspiration behind the work of Engels. So in England there was freedom for those who could afford it, a small percentage of pop. During the Raj the British did some bad shit in India but nothing comparable to the Holocaust that's just pure malign fantasy
@fiveredpears Your first point stands, but Chomsky is still correct, I'm afraid: what the English did externally to Indians (it didn't happen on British soil) does not diminish the freedom the English had in England, internally.
@fiveredpears His point was that England was free internally, but they were very aggressive externally. He's comparing England to the United States today. You have a free country internally that also has a very aggressive foreign policy. The US is considered a free nation by our modern standards. They killed over 100,000 people in Iraq but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a free country back home. They justify these wars in the news too. They're doing it right now with Iran.
@fiveredpears You misunderstand his point, he's saying a free country killed all those people. Freedom back home has nothing to do with how you behave abroad. Likewise oppresion back home has nothing to do with how you behave abroad.
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@BelfastAtheist Somebody else wrote that and I got a laugh.I have great respect for Noam.One place that I do question him on is 9/11.No I am not part of any group(9/11 truthers),myself and one friend are the only ones to discuss the issue.My feeling is that Noam received some type of threat.Anyway, just a joke.
Ah, fair enough. I question him in 9/11 too... (''It wouldn't have happened were it not for Israel/Palestine'' - what a fucking joke) what do you mean he 'recieved a threat' ? :S
@BelfastAtheist I don't know, I am just assuming that he received some type of threat.No matter how hard I try I still am convinced that the twin tower were not taken down by fire as the official statement declares.And the Pentagon, I believe, just from what I know was not hit by a plane.Unless they show all the video I will never believe that, even if one of my favorite teachers tells me it is so.Peace.
Those who live outside the US can relate to and experience most of what Chomsky says while his American critics accuse of him making up stuff. If you ever read his books, his sources are the mainstream press
This individual is shameless. 'England acted like th Nazis in India' this is simply not true. The English did not round up the Indians and kill them in their millions. They ruled either directly using a tiny numer of burocrats and soldiers or made deals with local rulers. They then were able to monopolise the market there and tax it. The life of a poor native Indian was cheap, as it always had been and as the life of a poor person in England was too.
@comprehensiveboy No doubt Chomsky is a genius. But it angers me when he makes statements like that. Sometimes his academic gloves come off, and he let's his anarcho-syndicalist politics get the better of him.
@GveMeLbrtylGveMeIPad he was an idiot, he's got his facts all wrong. he's basically saying "the soviet union was a threat to its people, but not to outside countries". this simply wasn't the case. is he forgetting about what the USSR did to the Hungarians? or Afghanistan?
@Freethinker12341 well thats a nice misquote but i think you should listen again. he says they were a threat to afghanistan and other neighboring countries. but his point is the united states exaggerated the threat in order to justify certain acts.
@boshea8498 oh, ya i misheard him, sorry. but no, the states may have exaggerated the threat, but not to justify certain acts. i think they really believed the threat was greater than it was, they didn't exagerate it to justify anything.
@Freethinker12341 i don't know about that. but ill grant you some within the government overestimated the the threat but other people within the power structure at the time certainly had different motives and points of view other than fear of the soviet union.
@boshea8498 so what about Khrushchev and the cuban missile crisis? was that an overexagerated threat as well? Kennedy and his government i think took the right precautions.
see, the problem that i see on the left a lot is everyones just kind of dogmatically anti-american and will go against america no matter what, even in the face of evidence and fact. Leftists are basically programmed to be anti-american, anti-western, anti-capitalism.
@boshea8498 All Chomsky does it put down the west, and put down America. I do it too because I think America's largely a stupid country. But Chomsky does it to the point that he practically sticks up for our enemies. Even the terrorists think people like Chomsky are stupid. It's just massochism. There are much worse societies out there, the Islamic one for instance, but then again Chomsky will probably conjure up some pathetic excuse like its all because of American and Israeli oppression.
@Freethinker12341 Tell me... How would you know what "the terrorists" think? Your comment is EXTREMELY uneducated. Where are you getting this information from? The News right? Do you know who owns and operates the "news"? Do you even know ANYTHING about politics? Do you know ANY World History? Do you know how governments work AT ALL? Do you know WHY wars are started? Do you have ANY CLUE about anything? Take some Political Science and Economics classes and review your comment afterward.
@blueswh0re ya right back at you. like it or not, the terrorists think you're the stupidest of all and they'll come after you first. The next time you see a muslim, do me a favor and draw a picture making fun of the prophet Mohammed in front of him, and see what happens. Look at how what they did to the creators of south park.....
I konw what the terrorists think because the flag symbom for Hezbollah is a nuclear mushroom cloud believe it or not. Religious people WANT the world to end dude
@Freethinker12341 First of all, you ARE NOT a "Free Thinker". Obviously you've had your thinking done for you, and like the rest of the uneducated and misinformed sheep, you slowly wasting your time talking about stuff that you have absolutely no clue about. Secondly, the Hezbollah flag is NOT a mushroom cloud. Either you're believing what some idiot told you, or you're blind. Clearly it is a globe with some Arabic words and a rifle. Its not that hard to realize that "terrorism" is fake...
@Freethinker12341 First of all, you ARE NOT a "Free Thinker". Obviously you've had your thinking done for you, and like the rest of the uneducated and misinformed sheep, you slowly wasting your time talking about stuff that you have absolutely no clue about. Secondly, the Hezbollah flag is NOT a mushroom cloud. Either you're believing what some idiot told you, or you're blind. Clearly it is a globe with some Arabic words and a rifle. Its not that hard to realize that "terrorism" is fake...
@Freethinker12341 You need to grow up and realize how politics and the economy work. Your leaders and their associates have fabricated, and over-exaggerated false pretences. These are used to create a sense of content within the people, so when they decided to plunder the natural resources (Oil, Gold) of another country; especially a TRULY DEMOCRATIC country, such as many in the Middle East; you don't see it as being a bad thing. You see it as "killing terrorists", when really, there are none...
@boshea8498 there's a reason why people like Marx and Engels and Lenin were so against religion dude. It's more than just the "Opium of the masses". It is the opium of the masses, but its not limited to that
@boshea8498 k, Marx said that religion was the opium of the masses right? like kind of an anti-depressant for the poor working classes. that is true. but I think Lenin and Engels and Marx,etc were able to realize that religion was more than that. As far as I'm concerned religion and communism/socialism are COMPLETELY incompatiible. The more religious somebody is the less moral they are.
@boshea8498 Religion attacks us in our most basic integrity which is we cant be moral without big brother, without divine supervision. and communism/socialism are based on the idea that we should be kind to one another and look after each other for its OWN sake. religion appeals to our solipsism, making us more individualistic, and more selfish (dividing us further). It makes ppl focus on something other than the proletariat. Lenin said that even flirting with the idea of god is utter "vileness"
Hey gyoden, learn to listen ya stroke. He said policticaly the most free and added "lets not mention society with this" and america is alot freer than any troll wants to argue, in the sheer fact we CAN argue over how free or not we are. There is a differance between freedom and anarchy. Think about it when your mugged, raped or have your house broken into. And the differance will be clear.
So Mr. Chomsky is supposed to be one of the world's leading intellectuals yet he cannot go 45 seconds without breaking Godwin's law?
I'm so sorry to all of those who think of him as the greatest thing since square cheese slices but I really struggle to understand why he has such a bulging reputation. Any fresh insight to this phenomenon would be very much appreciated.
@Reid573 For me, Chomsky is great because he breaks down complex issues into simple and understandable arguments that are backed up by evidence. He talks about issues like you would with a friend at a pub, yet it is still intellectually rigorous. His arguments are formed using reasoning that is uncontroversial even though his conclusions may be controversial. I have yet to see his clarity and wealth of information matched. He always keeps his cool and is more interested in facts.
@Reid573 Since he was talking about totalitarian societies, his mention of Nazis is in line with his point. I think there are probably other reasons why you don't like him that you are not up front with.
@Reid573 Ahhhhhh I just watched the video again, and Chomsky describes the Brits as acting like Nazis in India. That's the real reason why you don't like him isn't it? You're British and you found offence.
So instead of having the intellectual honesty to challenge him on why he said the Brits acted like bastards in India (plenty of evidence there) you chose to criticize him obliquely by accusing him of being inarticulate and simple-minded with that statement about Godwin's law.
@PrometheanRunGood now this is far more typical of the behaviour I've come to expect from chomskyite cultists. Shame. The first guy to reply to my question was uncharacteristically level-headed and reasonable and didn't instantly resort to personal attacks and hyper-defensiveness.
"Godwin's Law" has been disowned by it's namesake. When discussing geopolitical and ideological trends of the 20th century it's entirely appropriate to reference fascism.
@lclarsen but his nazi remark concerns the 19th century. Actually, I find fascism allegories to be of some service in explaining the make-up and behaviour of actors such as Al-Qaeda and its affiliates as well as the ba'athists.
However, nazi-comparison is a fool's game played by cretins who enjoy redecorating the Israeli flag with swastikas or drawing little square moustaches above Dubya's upper lip. Surely a great mind such as Mr. Chomsky's cannot be ignorant of this?
@Reid573 It's a fools game if the comparisons that are drawn are inappropiate and only made with the intention to ridicule or villify like Gleb beck does. There are examples that are fitting on the other hand, and i think a great mind like chomsky isn't ignorant of that either.
You: "Fascist comparisons are good when they serve my agenda, i.e. endless "war on terror" against a phantom the US created and labelled 'al Qaeda,' they're not good when they reflect badly on things I support, like Bush and Israel."
Look... fascist doesn't necessarily mean anti-semitic. Doesn't even necessarily mean war-making. Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." So it could even be US democrats, etc.
@lclarsen I don't believe I've shown you my hand yet, so what makes you so certain that I supported Dubya or Israel? I'm intrigued because you seem so confident of my allegiances that you're prepared to ventriloquize me in your own comment space.
And as for "a phantom the US created and labelled 'al Qaeda,'"....hah. I've met people who think like you so I know I'll be wasting my time trying to cut through you're bizarre ontology.
Now who's assuming? I believe Al Qaeda is a real thing now, albeit much smaller than propaganda asserts. But it wouldn't have happened if the US hadn't spent billions (more indirectly) to bring together and train the most violent fanatics in the Muslim world. Then the US created the name and Bin Laden liked it and it stuck (read "Al Qaeda" by Jason Burke).
Okay, so if you don't support them why does it bother that people "deface" their images with mustaches?
@Reid573 Honestly you're not as complicate or as complicit as being an American right wing ideologue. I had you figured the first time. You're British and you didn't like admitting to what the British imperialists policies did in India, which Chomsky correct identifies as making the Nazis look like amateurs.
Amazing, not just what he says but that he could explain it in five minutes. Try asking him a question on the Middle East and see if he can do it in under five minutes.
ShadeToSun 3 days ago
A man who speaks the truth.
tarantala111 3 days ago
"....open itself.....to our penetration"
zachflame123 4 days ago
"...U.S. set forth on a program of global domination."
The only people who don't see this by now are the sheep still believing every word their TV tells them....
ModernPlague 4 days ago
Something that realy surprised me, when I first heard it: even at the height of the cold war, Russia was supplying natural gas to _Western_ Europe. Like, there were 30.000 tanks stationed along the iron curtain and in the middst of all this some piplines were pumping away happily.
EquinoxIV 5 days ago
Is this Finding Bigfoot?
ShaytanBozorg 5 days ago
want to expand on that chomsky? no, that's because you're a pop-socialist soiologist
highandlonesomeradio 6 days ago
@highandlonesomeradio He just openly condemned socialism, you dont have to be a socialist to make a critique of capitalism
stillceaser 5 days ago
@highandlonesomeradio The old false propaganda dichotomy: "If you critizice capitalism you are pro socialism/dictatorship/etc". Chomsky is right on this one, US has never been a beacon of democracy or human rights for other countries, maybe inside the US but definetly not on foreign policy.
floritaka 2 days ago
what chomshy is saying is a truism, and also fucking meaningless
roman14032 6 days ago
britan was the freest country in the world,but where like nazis in india, the us is the freest country in the world now and is the most brutal around the world, theres no coralation between these two things, but that is a coralation asshole
roman14032 6 days ago
@roman14032 You misunderstood. The correlation he was arguing against was that internal brutality of states was linked to external brutality toward other nations (and ditto for internal freedom and external peacefulness). Britain and the US violate that correlation.
The correlation you think exists (internal freedom and external agression) isn't correct, since the 1930s fascist states and today's european social democracies clearly violate it.
There's no correlation of any kind.
Diderooot 19 hours ago
@Diderooot i wasn't clear in my comment. what i meant was Chomsky, though his rhetorical approach,is denying Marxist imperialism while correlating British and US imperialism. focus on his rhetoric, that's the message that actually sticks. USA and Britain DAGEROUS, USSR harmless
this isn't a professor of history
this isn't a professor of philosophy,or international relations
this is a professor of LINGUISTICS,and this is display of his expertise.
roman14032 8 hours ago
I can go to the grocery store.
nyomythus 6 days ago
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This is Chomsky on fire. He's on the ball here. It's amazing to watch.
EllyMcCormack 6 days ago
As Iran will not trade his oil with the US in even a 1000 years cause the US has overthrown with UK help an elected government in Iran in 1953 to reinstall the Shah in order to allow US and UK cooporations to continue to exploit the iranian ressources and steal the benefits its almost obvious that the american fascist state will go for Iran sooner of later.The totally legal iranian claim to develope its own nuclear programm is the bluntest false flagg one can imagine...fuck the cooporate US
chris99103 1 week ago
@chris99103 well put!
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awhitesoul2012 1 week ago
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syntaxed2 1 week ago
Chomsky is a living legend, I was a brainwashed muppet until I discovered his material. it was a quite sobering experience to realise that my so called opnions especially on the power system and geo politics was nothing more than a propogadised conjecture thanks to the biased corporate media
GoooObama08 1 week ago
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LastWhiteBoy 1 week ago
Chomsky is right, any assfuck here saying otherwise has his head so deep in their own ass that all they are able to do is character attack, in order to avoid all substantial criticism of the points Chomsky makes.
tannersanta 1 week ago
@tannersanta I agree. I have never heard a substantive refutation of Chompsky's arguments, nor have I come across any information that refutes his facts in my own studies. His analysis is solid.
mistajames3213 1 week ago
Most of all you can't trust the JEWS.. RIGHT CHOMSKY!
This guy is a linguist anyways. He has no qualifications for political science other than his Jewishness.
honour123 1 week ago
@honour123 are you retarded?
Deltrix4762 1 week ago
"you can't trust the russians" the man said.
YOU CANT TRUST THE AMERICANS either, as Chomsky so rightly pointed out
Strefanasha 1 week ago
One of the most informative five minutes I've ever seen. Thank you.
barraca3 4 weeks ago
more hippy bs.
ScotteDio 1 month ago
@ScotteDio Hey, I bet hippies can at least spell.
nomaed 1 month ago
@nomaed No, just complain & spread hate about their country.
ScotteDio 3 weeks ago
@ScotteDio Yeah, just discard it like that, you wouldn't understand anyway with your denial mindset.
Clavera 2 weeks ago
fuck they doing in the woods?
cfall234 1 month ago 20
@cfall234 Maybe it's Bohemian Grove jk lol
draoi99 1 month ago
@cfall234 Looked like they were on the set of Return of the Jedi lol
AliceNchainz011 1 month ago
@cfall234 You know, people used to be outside more, it's really not unnatural, quite the opposite.
Clavera 2 weeks ago
USA will allways need an enemy to justify it's military industrial complex. from USSR to islam radicals, who knows what's to follow.
but they're so smart that they only target 3rd world countries, the countries that have the power to stop it are just too comfortable or brainwashed to care. that's what i call highly intelligent imperialism.
larensflarens 1 month ago
@larensflarens after the war on terrorism i will guess that the new overexaggerated threat will be the chinese threat.
andyx1205 1 month ago
having a global socioeconomic discussion in the woods, what bosses
InfiniteGXT 1 month ago
The upshot is that patriotism is a great way to aid your own government in subjugating yourself as it uses your energies to subjugate other societies.
skoockum 1 month ago
I try not to enjoy what Chomsky says, I try... it's just so good! Brilliance.
nigelrugby 1 month ago
toad
bilbob7624 1 month ago
Astonishing how the rubbish confidently spouted by the guru - that the Soviet's reach was not long (what continents are Cuba, Angola, Ethiopia, etc. on?) and therefore posed no threat - receives such worship and adulation here. A remarkable social phenomenon.
zubbubbi 1 month ago
@zubbubbi Or that it didn't do harm... He wants to paint America as the imperial power and he wants us to ignore things like East Germany, Poland etc. His audience is mostly young people who don't know anything about the cold war. They can't get along in the world and he's telling them it's not their fault, but rather unseen sinister forces are holding them back. Very much a cult leader.
Allrightteam 1 month ago
@Allrightteam Chomsky clearly states that the USSR was a threat to all societies it was influencing...He is stating that neither state was a threat to each other's populations, (Americans to Soviets, Soviets to Americans) but to population of third world countries they wanted to leech resources from...
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK I guess Chomsky was unaware of the hundreds of thousands of nuclear weapons both sides had.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd I think he is aware that the use of nuclear weapons was national suicide for both the USA and USSR.
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK Yeah, and how is that not a threat? Or, if it really were as simple as a reducing problem, and both sides having weapons cancels out the weapons (which is a pretty absurd way to think about it,) how was allowing the Soviet Union to take over half the world supposed to help the U.S., or the world?
What resources did we imperialists leech from S. Korea? Look at them now. Look at N. Korea. More people have starved to death in N. Korea than died during the Korean War.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd Chomsky says that any state under Soviet influence was threatened, like N.Korea (though it had a degree of independence). The Korean War was not a preemptive strike from the USA, it was a reaction. Though in countries like Nicaragua and Vietnam, threats were blown out of proportion to justify taking resources, like in Iraq...Just like the Soviets did in Afghanistan, and the USA is doing now...
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK I'm not getting this "resources" kick.. What resources have we taken from Iraq or Afghanistan? Vietnam? Nicaragua? Japan? West Germany?
Iraq now has total control over its own economy. If it decides not to trade with us, oh well then. Contrariwise, we have given back to the people of Iraq ownership of their own political process, and built innumerable schools, hospitals, what have you.. The same is true for Afghanistan, which didn't even have roads.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd I'm really not sure if you're aware of this, but the reason we invaded Iraq is because of oil...The same reason Saddam attacked the Kirkuk region of Iraq, to take oil from the Kurd populated areas...Now Kirkuk and the Kurdistan Republic have the highest economic growth rate since the invasion...Afghanistan is rich in opium, and other resources, where is this idea we are moral crusaders coming from?
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK Where is this oil? I must have missed my ration card.
It's a trite and obvious conclusion: "Iraq has oil. We send army to Iraq. We take Iraq oil." It's a simplistic, barbaric way of thinking.
WHERE IS THE OIL? It's a fantasy.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd How many executives have to state "we came for oil" out in the open before you accept that? Halliburton, Federal Reserve chairmen, what the hell else do you need? Saddam attempted to trade oil in different currency than dollars, of course the USA imperialists couldn't let this happen! The Iraqi Constitution of today even states a liberal , not national like Saddam Hussein made, oil policy that can cave to foreign companies!
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK Well.. apparently you have been brainwashed by what I call "anti-Propaganda." Someone tells you a thing, you don't trust them, so you just assume the worst. This isn't "reason;" it's mush.
All I can say is look at Germany, Japan, South Korea.. all the places the U.S. has been accused of "imperialising." Now look at the former African colonies of ACTUAL imperialists. If American imperialism is a real concept, it appears to work.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd No, I'm not 'anti-propaganda' brainwashed, you're looking for the guys at RussiaToday, not me. No one is saying the USA was imperialist towards those developed countries...Except for the fact US troops are pointlessly in the area...The corporations of the USA invade countries to take what they can, just ask Halliburton and Exxon, they're not quiet about it. I can't believe you don't see that, this isn't a 9/11 conspiracy theory my friend, this is in plain sight! Cheers!
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK "Economic growth rate" does not equate to "Leeching resources" by my understanding of the English language. We know Saddam Hussein began sending money and weapons to the Taliban while we were fighting them. We know he had WMDs because he used them on those Kurds you mentioned, and during the Iraq-Iran war. So.. we set out to annihilate Saddam Hussein. Job done. Now the Iraqis can sell their oil to whoever they want. This isn't imperialism.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd Saddam was sending weapons to the Taliban? Really now? Where is your source of that? Saddam was an Iraqi dictator who crushed Islamic extremism, it is completely idiotic to state he supported al-qaeda or the taliban. He even suggested attacking Saudi Arabia back during the 1st Gulf war, not exactly the best "Islamic terrorist" move!
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK Yes, and you seem to be under the misapprehension that one would have to "be" and Islamic fundamentalist terrorist to "support" and Islamic fundamentalist terrorist.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd Yes, one would have to sympathize with Islamic terrorist goals to be a supporter of Islamic terrorism...You have no facts linking Saddam with bin Laden, al qaeda, or the Taliban (of all people, the Taliban! They're in Afghanistan!). The USA government even said that, I'm astonished by your ignorance.
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK The theocrats that owned your country harbored, trained, and financially supported militants, and actively participated in those militants killing 3,000 American civilians. Why? Because we support a tiny nation that would otherwise be completely obliterated by its neighbors, simply because they practice the wrong religion.
So, in response, we removed those people, gave you your country back, and built you an infrastructure from nothing, for nothing. How is this imperialism?
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd You're completely delusional to suggest I'm a muslim. Where were Bosnians in 9/11? You're a complete fool for making that comment. Religion? You think that's what the Yugoslav Wars were about? Again you're accepting those propaganda lies you are fed...It was a war about who could carve out as much of SFRJ as they could, get a clue. Bosnian Muslims are the most secular in the world, they all nearly drink alcohol...Even they hated the Mujahideens that came to fight.
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
@insertnamehereKJK I didn't suggest you were a Muslim. I was using the plural form of "you," speaking figuratively to one of the countries that you mentioned we were "imperialisng," Afghanistan.
Also, you appear to be misinformed about whose side we were fighting for during the Kosovo War.
lancelottodd 1 month ago
@lancelottodd What are you talking about, I know very well the USA financed the KLA, where on earth did I state otherwise, or even where did I bring up Kosovo?!
insertnamehereKJK 1 month ago
well, leaving aside n.c.'s brilliant analysis for the moment, isn't it wonderful to see him talking in a relaxed way, without a microphone, and without the confines of a radio or television station, or even a book, like a man who exists in nature, with natural thoughts, outside any mediation (ok, except for the camera recording the event)...to me, it's not something to joke about, it's serious as a bomb...
sirtophamhatt 1 month ago
@sirtophamhatt actually, this video suffers from some brutal editing!
sirtophamhatt 1 month ago
I love listening to people that are smarter than me!
trgsdfj 1 month ago 6
@trgsdfj "He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher."--Walt Whitman (by 'destroy the teacher' he means eliminate the disparity of knowledge) You are as smart as any of these people, you merely have to educate yourself and learn the principals of reason and logic. Anyone can raise to this level of intellect if they apply themselves.
ShadeToSun 3 days ago 2
as much as chomsky has an incredible, outstandingly exceptional mind with more insight than most people, & should be an inspiration for everyone.... he is still just a human being & people would do well to remember that not everything that comes out of his mouth is gospel. he does make mistakes, & he doesn't always have a clear perspective (this isn't regarding this particular video by the way). question what he says as much as you would do with anyone else.
oc00011 1 month ago 2
@oc00011
Agreed, I would like to see Chomsky vs. Friedman battle to the death on a remote desert island. Then the winner has to eat the losers corpse for sustenance.
yuothineyesasian 1 month ago
@oc00011
Chomsky would agree with you.
MrManFig 1 month ago
@MrManFig thank you
oc00011 1 month ago
I just rewatched "Return of the Jedi" a week earlier. I can't help thinking this conversation is about The Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire. On the Battle Ground of Endor for good measure.
rhatcher010 1 month ago
Why isn't this guy stopping teens from fucking pies
nicko198718 1 month ago
wow just brilliant
fLcGambit 1 month ago
its scary that the people hes talking to just drop their heads while he speaks the complete truth.
fireflame65 1 month ago 9
@fireflame65
A world before the modern internet. Less people probably saw this video for 15-20 years than the view count on this video now.
godofthisshit 1 week ago
@fireflame65 Sometimes I drop my head when I'm listening to a person give a detailed point, so I can internalize it better without any distraction. Would that scare you?.
And I think the film is edited to only show Chomsky's points, and no one elses.
Howsonify 1 week ago
If you think you Know something just listen to Chomsky for a bit and you will realize how little you knew.
thecrooksareinoffice 1 month ago 2
"We (the U.S) are as supportive of democracies as the Russians are of socialism" Well put Chomsky.
freddiemercerful 1 month ago
Chomsky's Consistence in his views are somehow unique; this consistency is and has been his winning edge in his discussions.
While the opponents try to pinpoint specifics to argue over, Chomsky reminds them of their myopic view out of disregard for the context.
Chomsky's intelligence and articulateness is really stunning even at the age of 83.
mehdigoudarzi 2 months ago
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mehdigoudarzi 2 months ago
What the fuck is this rhetoric?
Where are these old cunts getting their information? The USSR was a dungeon? The government is a trap to the people? LOL.
z0mby 2 months ago
I agree with much of what Chomsky said except for the claim that the Soviets posed no threat to America in the 1980's. The russians had achieved nuclear parity with us. They had the capability to bomb us back into the stone ages. They also had satellite regimes spread all over Latin America. How was that not a threat?
sgm3332 2 months ago
@sgm3332 Soviets were more afraid of America than hatching plans for world dominance. Which country used nuclear weapons on innocent civilians again? It was the Americans sperading freedom and democracy. If you call the communist countries USSR satellites (as they were called by US propoganda) than the US had that aswell in W.Europe and US used its influence frequently to push laws, sponsor propoganda and flowed in money when people got angry at the American dominance.
SuperLatvian 1 month ago
@SuperLatvian While I would agree with your sentiment, I question how the use of nuclear weapons is relevant, you do realize that the US killed way more people using firebombs and starvation? Are you seriously trying to argue that killing someone by splitting an atom is somehow more evil than bashing their head on a rock?
majordbag2 1 month ago
LOL foofighting101
MrCraigo82 2 months ago
I think I have to disagree with Chomsky here. The Soviet Union itself didnt have such a long reach, but communism had. A great danger (from the western point of view) was that Asia and parts of Afrika would fall to communism.
Not to mention south America, in which CIA supported an attack on Chile to kill a president that had been democratically elected.
gulbirk 2 months ago
@gulbirk The Soviet Union was not socialistic though. Like Chomsky explains, that was USSR's propaganda image. And America perpetuated that image, in order to discredit the ideology of socialism. Socialism works just fine in certain other countries, such as Denmark or Sweden.
Stuart0305 2 months ago
@Stuart0305 You call denmark and Sweden socialists?
I gues you would call Norway socialist to?
Well it isnt. Norway, Sweden and Denmark are all capitalist countries that simply have high taxes, regulations and restrictions. And also, to an extent, companies that are state owned.
But beyond that, most jobs in these countries are in the private market.
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bucknorm 3 months ago
he's so fucking lucid. it's amazing.
troglodyto 3 months ago 2
"England in the XIX was the highest example of freedom...they (the English) behaved like the Nazis in India. I completely disagree with both parts of that sweeping statement. Manchester in XIX and its deplorable conditions for the masses was the inspiration behind the work of Engels. So in England there was freedom for those who could afford it, a small percentage of pop. During the Raj the British did some bad shit in India but nothing comparable to the Holocaust that's just pure malign fantasy
Kralhonj 3 months ago
@Kralhonj It is estimated that the british killed 10 million indians over a 10 year period starting in 1857.
He's says that England was the most free society in the 19th century, that may not be particularly free by our modern standards.
fiveredpears 2 months ago 4
@fiveredpears Your first point stands, but Chomsky is still correct, I'm afraid: what the English did externally to Indians (it didn't happen on British soil) does not diminish the freedom the English had in England, internally.
sebastianquilt 1 week ago
@fiveredpears His point was that England was free internally, but they were very aggressive externally. He's comparing England to the United States today. You have a free country internally that also has a very aggressive foreign policy. The US is considered a free nation by our modern standards. They killed over 100,000 people in Iraq but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a free country back home. They justify these wars in the news too. They're doing it right now with Iran.
LastWhiteBoy 1 week ago
@fiveredpears You misunderstand his point, he's saying a free country killed all those people. Freedom back home has nothing to do with how you behave abroad. Likewise oppresion back home has nothing to do with how you behave abroad.
tmesist 1 week ago
@fiveredpears you aparently didnt listen. he said England was a free society inwards, outwards they were not, true.
illuminaz1 1 week ago
@Kralhonj
I think he overstated but I roughly agree with his point.
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 2 months ago
@Kralhonj 20 million people perished in a matter of months under British rule in India !
anarchosolar 2 months ago
Is this where the Soviets buried the Russian monarchy
32peartree 3 months ago
Is the entire discussion available somewhere?
kakkuaa 3 months ago
I've never seen a person rocking a more manly oatmeal cardigan. Rock on, Chomsky.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Conservatives will never have a Chomsky. Probably because they are completely full of shit. All the cool people are liberals, even Jesus, who was a total anarchist shit-disturber.
sandleparf 3 months ago 27
@sandleparf what does jesus have to do with any of this?
ubidubi04 1 month ago
@ubidubi04 He was apparently liberal, and quite cool. That makes him the perfect example for the topic being stated.
BruceNJeffAreMyFlies 1 month ago
@sandleparf chomsky is not a liberal >.< he is a libertarian BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE :D
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toucanist 4 months ago
What a man! So few with his clarity and knowledge, who are willing to speak out.
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
It's a real shame that Britney Spears' latest music video has 71,397,284 views and this hasn't even reached 50,000...
alexg1223 4 months ago 5
"Hey guys, I was thinking about going into the woods to discuss global politics. Wanna come?"
"Yeah, sounds awesome, I'll grab some chairs!"
foofighting101 5 months ago 121
@foofighting101 You sir will be receiving a bill for my shorted-out keybaord (and maybe the bourbon you made me spit out).
I haven't laughed that hard in months.
polymath7 3 months ago
What a gift it must be to be able to speak so clearly and eloquently in any situation. thank you noam chomsky!
lifeemusicelife 5 months ago
Chomsky's retarded.
bozolazic 5 months ago
@bozolazic
How so?
BelfastAtheist 5 months ago
@BelfastAtheist Somebody else wrote that and I got a laugh.I have great respect for Noam.One place that I do question him on is 9/11.No I am not part of any group(9/11 truthers),myself and one friend are the only ones to discuss the issue.My feeling is that Noam received some type of threat.Anyway, just a joke.
bozolazic 5 months ago
@bozolazic
Ah, fair enough. I question him in 9/11 too... (''It wouldn't have happened were it not for Israel/Palestine'' - what a fucking joke) what do you mean he 'recieved a threat' ? :S
BelfastAtheist 5 months ago
@BelfastAtheist I don't know, I am just assuming that he received some type of threat.No matter how hard I try I still am convinced that the twin tower were not taken down by fire as the official statement declares.And the Pentagon, I believe, just from what I know was not hit by a plane.Unless they show all the video I will never believe that, even if one of my favorite teachers tells me it is so.Peace.
bozolazic 5 months ago
Those who live outside the US can relate to and experience most of what Chomsky says while his American critics accuse of him making up stuff. If you ever read his books, his sources are the mainstream press
rodeo179 5 months ago
from the 3:50 mark to the 4:50 mark - he nails it
JourneyHome 5 months ago
The Jewish run NKVD made the nazis look like amateurs in russia. There, I've been a sweeping as him. Am I a moral and intellectual genius now?
comprehensiveboy 5 months ago
This individual is shameless. 'England acted like th Nazis in India' this is simply not true. The English did not round up the Indians and kill them in their millions. They ruled either directly using a tiny numer of burocrats and soldiers or made deals with local rulers. They then were able to monopolise the market there and tax it. The life of a poor native Indian was cheap, as it always had been and as the life of a poor person in England was too.
comprehensiveboy 5 months ago
@comprehensiveboy No doubt Chomsky is a genius. But it angers me when he makes statements like that. Sometimes his academic gloves come off, and he let's his anarcho-syndicalist politics get the better of him.
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He is right on here
GveMeLbrtylGveMeIPad 5 months ago
Wow, he was cool back in the day
GveMeLbrtylGveMeIPad 5 months ago
@GveMeLbrtylGveMeIPad back in the day? Chomsky freaking ROCKS TILL THIS DAY!!
cykotoxick 5 months ago
@GveMeLbrtylGveMeIPad he was an idiot, he's got his facts all wrong. he's basically saying "the soviet union was a threat to its people, but not to outside countries". this simply wasn't the case. is he forgetting about what the USSR did to the Hungarians? or Afghanistan?
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 well thats a nice misquote but i think you should listen again. he says they were a threat to afghanistan and other neighboring countries. but his point is the united states exaggerated the threat in order to justify certain acts.
boshea8498 5 months ago
@boshea8498 oh, ya i misheard him, sorry. but no, the states may have exaggerated the threat, but not to justify certain acts. i think they really believed the threat was greater than it was, they didn't exagerate it to justify anything.
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 i don't know about that. but ill grant you some within the government overestimated the the threat but other people within the power structure at the time certainly had different motives and points of view other than fear of the soviet union.
boshea8498 5 months ago
@boshea8498 so what about Khrushchev and the cuban missile crisis? was that an overexagerated threat as well? Kennedy and his government i think took the right precautions.
see, the problem that i see on the left a lot is everyones just kind of dogmatically anti-american and will go against america no matter what, even in the face of evidence and fact. Leftists are basically programmed to be anti-american, anti-western, anti-capitalism.
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@boshea8498 All Chomsky does it put down the west, and put down America. I do it too because I think America's largely a stupid country. But Chomsky does it to the point that he practically sticks up for our enemies. Even the terrorists think people like Chomsky are stupid. It's just massochism. There are much worse societies out there, the Islamic one for instance, but then again Chomsky will probably conjure up some pathetic excuse like its all because of American and Israeli oppression.
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 Tell me... How would you know what "the terrorists" think? Your comment is EXTREMELY uneducated. Where are you getting this information from? The News right? Do you know who owns and operates the "news"? Do you even know ANYTHING about politics? Do you know ANY World History? Do you know how governments work AT ALL? Do you know WHY wars are started? Do you have ANY CLUE about anything? Take some Political Science and Economics classes and review your comment afterward.
blueswh0re 5 months ago
@blueswh0re ya right back at you. like it or not, the terrorists think you're the stupidest of all and they'll come after you first. The next time you see a muslim, do me a favor and draw a picture making fun of the prophet Mohammed in front of him, and see what happens. Look at how what they did to the creators of south park.....
I konw what the terrorists think because the flag symbom for Hezbollah is a nuclear mushroom cloud believe it or not. Religious people WANT the world to end dude
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 First of all, you ARE NOT a "Free Thinker". Obviously you've had your thinking done for you, and like the rest of the uneducated and misinformed sheep, you slowly wasting your time talking about stuff that you have absolutely no clue about. Secondly, the Hezbollah flag is NOT a mushroom cloud. Either you're believing what some idiot told you, or you're blind. Clearly it is a globe with some Arabic words and a rifle. Its not that hard to realize that "terrorism" is fake...
blueswh0re 5 months ago
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@Freethinker12341 First of all, you ARE NOT a "Free Thinker". Obviously you've had your thinking done for you, and like the rest of the uneducated and misinformed sheep, you slowly wasting your time talking about stuff that you have absolutely no clue about. Secondly, the Hezbollah flag is NOT a mushroom cloud. Either you're believing what some idiot told you, or you're blind. Clearly it is a globe with some Arabic words and a rifle. Its not that hard to realize that "terrorism" is fake...
blueswh0re 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 You need to grow up and realize how politics and the economy work. Your leaders and their associates have fabricated, and over-exaggerated false pretences. These are used to create a sense of content within the people, so when they decided to plunder the natural resources (Oil, Gold) of another country; especially a TRULY DEMOCRATIC country, such as many in the Middle East; you don't see it as being a bad thing. You see it as "killing terrorists", when really, there are none...
blueswh0re 5 months ago
@boshea8498 there's a reason why people like Marx and Engels and Lenin were so against religion dude. It's more than just the "Opium of the masses". It is the opium of the masses, but its not limited to that
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 i dont understand where your comment is coming from. i am interested though.
boshea8498 5 months ago
@boshea8498 k, Marx said that religion was the opium of the masses right? like kind of an anti-depressant for the poor working classes. that is true. but I think Lenin and Engels and Marx,etc were able to realize that religion was more than that. As far as I'm concerned religion and communism/socialism are COMPLETELY incompatiible. The more religious somebody is the less moral they are.
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@boshea8498 Religion attacks us in our most basic integrity which is we cant be moral without big brother, without divine supervision. and communism/socialism are based on the idea that we should be kind to one another and look after each other for its OWN sake. religion appeals to our solipsism, making us more individualistic, and more selfish (dividing us further). It makes ppl focus on something other than the proletariat. Lenin said that even flirting with the idea of god is utter "vileness"
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
@Freethinker12341
That's not what he said, but it's hard to tell the difference between a conservative and a troll
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 4 months ago
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag no it is what he said..
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
Lol, why is this video on Chomsky's website most recent news and reports?
anonymity11 5 months ago
where have all the thinkers gone?
Starkstraight 6 months ago
Hey gyoden, learn to listen ya stroke. He said policticaly the most free and added "lets not mention society with this" and america is alot freer than any troll wants to argue, in the sheer fact we CAN argue over how free or not we are. There is a differance between freedom and anarchy. Think about it when your mugged, raped or have your house broken into. And the differance will be clear.
nikku9000 6 months ago
So Mr. Chomsky is supposed to be one of the world's leading intellectuals yet he cannot go 45 seconds without breaking Godwin's law?
I'm so sorry to all of those who think of him as the greatest thing since square cheese slices but I really struggle to understand why he has such a bulging reputation. Any fresh insight to this phenomenon would be very much appreciated.
Reid573 6 months ago
@Reid573 michel foucault was the greatest intellectual
koolfraser 6 months ago
@Reid573 For me, Chomsky is great because he breaks down complex issues into simple and understandable arguments that are backed up by evidence. He talks about issues like you would with a friend at a pub, yet it is still intellectually rigorous. His arguments are formed using reasoning that is uncontroversial even though his conclusions may be controversial. I have yet to see his clarity and wealth of information matched. He always keeps his cool and is more interested in facts.
siyangwang 6 months ago 4
@Reid573 Since he was talking about totalitarian societies, his mention of Nazis is in line with his point. I think there are probably other reasons why you don't like him that you are not up front with.
PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
@Reid573 Ahhhhhh I just watched the video again, and Chomsky describes the Brits as acting like Nazis in India. That's the real reason why you don't like him isn't it? You're British and you found offence.
So instead of having the intellectual honesty to challenge him on why he said the Brits acted like bastards in India (plenty of evidence there) you chose to criticize him obliquely by accusing him of being inarticulate and simple-minded with that statement about Godwin's law.
PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
@PrometheanRunGood now this is far more typical of the behaviour I've come to expect from chomskyite cultists. Shame. The first guy to reply to my question was uncharacteristically level-headed and reasonable and didn't instantly resort to personal attacks and hyper-defensiveness.
Reid573 6 months ago
@Reid573 Internet buddy, suck it up. Besides had your number didn't I?
PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
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PrometheanRunGood 6 months ago
@Reid573
"Godwin's Law" has been disowned by it's namesake. When discussing geopolitical and ideological trends of the 20th century it's entirely appropriate to reference fascism.
lclarsen 6 months ago
@lclarsen but his nazi remark concerns the 19th century. Actually, I find fascism allegories to be of some service in explaining the make-up and behaviour of actors such as Al-Qaeda and its affiliates as well as the ba'athists.
However, nazi-comparison is a fool's game played by cretins who enjoy redecorating the Israeli flag with swastikas or drawing little square moustaches above Dubya's upper lip. Surely a great mind such as Mr. Chomsky's cannot be ignorant of this?
Reid573 6 months ago
@Reid573 It's a fools game if the comparisons that are drawn are inappropiate and only made with the intention to ridicule or villify like Gleb beck does. There are examples that are fitting on the other hand, and i think a great mind like chomsky isn't ignorant of that either.
Tyrfingr 6 months ago
@Reid573
You: "Fascist comparisons are good when they serve my agenda, i.e. endless "war on terror" against a phantom the US created and labelled 'al Qaeda,' they're not good when they reflect badly on things I support, like Bush and Israel."
Look... fascist doesn't necessarily mean anti-semitic. Doesn't even necessarily mean war-making. Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." So it could even be US democrats, etc.
lclarsen 6 months ago
@lclarsen I don't believe I've shown you my hand yet, so what makes you so certain that I supported Dubya or Israel? I'm intrigued because you seem so confident of my allegiances that you're prepared to ventriloquize me in your own comment space.
And as for "a phantom the US created and labelled 'al Qaeda,'"....hah. I've met people who think like you so I know I'll be wasting my time trying to cut through you're bizarre ontology.
Reid573 6 months ago
@Reid573
Now who's assuming? I believe Al Qaeda is a real thing now, albeit much smaller than propaganda asserts. But it wouldn't have happened if the US hadn't spent billions (more indirectly) to bring together and train the most violent fanatics in the Muslim world. Then the US created the name and Bin Laden liked it and it stuck (read "Al Qaeda" by Jason Burke).
Okay, so if you don't support them why does it bother that people "deface" their images with mustaches?
lclarsen 6 months ago
@Reid573 Honestly you're not as complicate or as complicit as being an American right wing ideologue. I had you figured the first time. You're British and you didn't like admitting to what the British imperialists policies did in India, which Chomsky correct identifies as making the Nazis look like amateurs.
PrometheanRunGood 5 months ago
But then Treebeard goes like: "This is not our war. "
ktxed 6 months ago
When Noam Chomsky speaks in the Forrest, do the trees hear him?
JoeyRace01 6 months ago
Chomsky.info just linked this on facebook. Good stuff.
fauyd 6 months ago 22
@fauyd haha! that's why i'm here too.
iwishiweregay 6 months ago