What do you want our money towards foreign countries or money to circulate in the U.S. thats why we are in a recession understandable that it is corrosive its easy to convert your engine. the company they mentioned is not the only company that mass produces ethanol they just don't want you to make that shit at your house.
This is why you gotta research for your self and dont believe anything politicians tell you. They will say whatever their donors tell them to. Democrat or republican it doesnt matter. We need to remove science from politics.
Thank god ethonal is now a thing of the past. I love how the Newspaper reported it would make gas prices go up 5 cents, but failed to report how everybody will get a 10%-25% increase in MPG. So basically, the gov just cut the cost of gas and food. First thing it has done that made sense in a long long time.
Food prices are going out of control because of government mandates for the use of this crap. Please do one thing: go to congress.org and put in your zip code than write your federal reps and ask them to Suspend ethanol and biodiesel mandates, all corn ethanol and biodiesel would than have to sell on it's merit not by force.
i don't see what the problem is with making our own people more money. besides it is alot better for your engine no piston ring wear on the cylinder walls after 105 thousand miles and no wear on the valve seats. that is the problem with news media they don't look into the big picture all cars going to the junk yard sooner because of worn out engines don't help people when they have to by a new vehicle because gas can't move though a pipe fast enough witch is probably a bunch of crap.
Wow, if you believe this video you are no better than the person that thinks ethanol is going to be the cure all.
One half truth after another to show that the whole effort is really just some form of a scam. As if most of the arguments being presented don't also apply to big oil.
To address the argument that ethanol takes more energy to produce than it gives off. Of course this is true. Yet, this is true about everything, including oil. Anyone ever heard of the first law of thermodynamics.
The only difference between the oil and ethanol is that the energy required to turn fossils into fuel happened over millions of years. These guys like to count all that energy coming from the sun just to say it takes too much.
Even if the subsidies were cut, ethanol still works.
@germancaveguy The video wasn't trying to say that the energy it takes for us to consume ethanol comes from the actual energy of the corn itself growing,but that it takes just as much energy to farm and transport the corn and make it into ethanol then the energy it produces, and we don't put energy we get from oil to make oil like we have to do to make ethanol. I'm not trying to say that oil is the answer, I'm personally more of a fan of natural gas, but rather that your argument is terrible.
@cubbiefn Perhaps I was quick to jump the gun on which study I thought they were using to make their argument. Instead, they may have been using David Pimentel's study which keeps counting more and more energy sources until there is more input than output. Interestingly enough however, using the same equations, even oil takes 10% more energy to produce than it gives back. Regardless, the vast majority of opponents of ethanol are proponents of oil. Yet they always ignore oil's inefficiencies.
I eat food, my cars drink gas, KEEP THEM SEPERATE, if my car now eats food, well hell we should drink gas because it's probably just as good....good god
@xXxDANMANxXx if gasoline is 100% toxic for us, why would it be ok for our cars and our environment? similarly, if food is nontoxic for us, why would it be bad for our cars and our environment. your statement makes absolutely no sense.
@sleeve318 you really think putting corn into your gas tank is a good idea? What I said wasn't supposed to make anymore sense than ethanol in the first place you fucking dumbass look up the term sarcasm retard.
@xXxDANMANxXx ethanol is simply alcohol. corn ethanol is whiskey. you do realize you can make alcohol with other things dont you? and YES i think cars running on ethanol is WAY better than gasoline.
The "Corn Lobby Conspiracy" doen't make sense to me. A farm can grow all sorts of different crops so if something else is better then corn they could just switch. (And grow corn just for food.) Who wouldn't want our fuel money going to US farmers instead of the next Osama?
Politically, ethanol has been a bust. However, here's my take on it.
Ethanol contains about 30% less energy than gasoline, but if you ran it in an engine made to run ethanol, that energy is made up for with better horse power(since it can be run in higher compression engines). I also don't buy that it takes any more energy to make ethanol in america than it would to process oil and ship it overseas.
And how much energy does it take to get oil OUT OF THE GROUND... IN SAUDI ARABIA!, then ship it over here, then REFINE IT! and ship it to the pumps. you really think it doesnt take any energy to get gasoline? this whole video is a myth.
its robbing abdulaaa not peter it makes strategic sence and guess where the money goes............it gos to the good old US of A ........so stop whining
With alcohol fuel, you can become energy independent, reverse global warming, and survive Peak Oil in style. Alcohol fuel is "liquid sunshine" and can't be controlled by transnational corporations. You can produce alcohol for less than $1 a gallon, using a wide variety of plants and waste products, from algae to stale donuts. It's a much better fuel than gasoline, and you can use it in your car, right now. You can even use alcohol to generate electricity. ......David Blume .
You instantly know something is a crock when "demand" for it is being created artificially by government subsidizing its manufacture than by a genuine demand in the marketplace.
Economic common sense even a "mere" Mundane can grok.
This is actually horseshit. Oil prices and the increase in high-calorie intake in formerly lower-calorie regions are the reason food prices are going up. Has nothing to do with alcohol fuels. The data does not support a word he just said.
Without TOXIC CANCER CAUSING OIL everyones life span goes up , all life forms benefit , there is nothing positive about petroleum , you can make anything from hemp that you can make from petroleum , and trying to justify defiling another pristine place like Yellowstone just makes you look like a bigger loser then you already are . Check out David Blumes Web sight for the truth on bio fuels , pig4islam your data is completely wrong and pure oil company propaganda , turn off your TV and wake up .
Every time the government throws money at a enviormental solution it's actually a back-handed way to give money some interest or another. Corn is a lousey way to make ethonol, cellouse, sugar cane and bio-engeneered alge should of got the funding.
Cellulosic ethanol, not corn ethanol, IS Great. There are less fine particulates created that pollute the air and less green house gases produced. The fuel of the future should not come from the food of the future.
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Now were leaking oil in another once beautiful place ,Yellowstone , when are we gonna say enough is enough , when your neighborhood gets polluted by an oil leak , chances are it already has , why do you think so many people die of cancer every year , is it worth it ?
no politician wants to say no to the ethanol crime congrmolate. i can use ethanol in my car but it really is not worth using because of the harm it does to the engine and gets less gas milage.
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So the great senators voted to get rid of ethanol subsidies , (which much of was going to big oil as a blenders credit) nice work as we still give big oil over 40 billion dollars in tax breaks and billions more in out right subsidies (corporate welfare) I guess the little guys have to make sacrifices for the rich fat cats to continue there mad dominance of the energy industry .Moonshine (ethanol) is still a much better fuel then cancer causing planet killing petroleum ,the gulf is still dirty .
Ethanol is better than oil.... but other technologies are better; albeit underdeveloped. Oil companies are in trouble. Scrap ethanol and oil--produce technologies that use regenerative electricity to move cars. No associative issues... Apparently there are too many people who don't want to see oil/ethanol stock depreciation. I believe it is completely unethical to "stunt" the growth of technology and that is clearly their goal in lieu of their own personal profit. Shame on you guys.
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A lot of people will be very unhappy when they realize what this technology could have done for the earth -- and how many deaths and how much environmental damage could have been avoided in the process.
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October 30, 2010
Big corn crop piles up snags in distribution
Shipping system unable to handle record surplus fast enough to handle record surplus
By LANE BLACKMER Special to the Record-Eagle The Record Eagle Sat Oct 30, 2010, 07:14 AM EDT
LANSING — Harvested corn is stacking up faster than it can be shipped out of Michigan, leaving some distribution and storage facilities temporarily closed and experts looking for alternate uses.
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Most people are not aware that Henry Ford’s Model T came in a variation that allowed the driver to switch the carburetor to run the engine on farm-made ethyl acohol [sic]. This allowed the operator to stop at local farms (equipped with stills) to refuel his/her car during long trips through the backcountry . Cont-
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After all- the gas station wasn’t exactly as ubiquitous in those days, as it is now. The Standard Oil Company and its industrialist-founder John D. Rockefeller wasn’t too happy with this arrangement. After all, Rockefeller’s company had a virtual monoploly on gasoline at this time in our nation’s development.
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"Big Oil's war on ethanol." The industry, he writes, "reacted aggressively against the expansion of ethanol production, suggesting that it perceives the growth of biofuels as an independent, competitive threat to its market power in refining and gasoline marketing."
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Technology to Reduce Dependence on Oil has Been Known For years - "Among the more than 350 documents/videos concerning the energy scam you will find: There is an abundant supply of oil in Alaska • 376-mpg technology was demonstrated in 1973 • 72-mpg and 104-mpg automobiles were sold in Europe • The Japanese have two water fueled automobiles on the street." (Veterans Today; March 31, 2010)
Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
@mikehanoo33 on some level your right the spent mash can be re-dried and sold as chicken feed, but the type of corn used to make ethanol is the type intended for human consumption. what they use to feed livestock has a very small ear, compared to its stalk, and the whole thing stock and all is fed to the cow.
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
@mikehanoo33 yes, but it also reduces crop yields by roughly a third. as it has been stated current crop yields are struggling to meet government mandates.
Why does ethanol work so much better in Brazil then in the US? Their prices have gone down while ours are skyrocketing. They are importing far less oil then they used to. Should be be growing sugar cane instead of corn?
@ProfSai Ethanol in Brazil is made from sugar and returns 8 units of energy for every unit of energy used to make it. The corn ethanol made here requires more energy to make it than you get from it. Ultimately Corn ethanol is a welfare program for the corn lobby and provides no energy independence just skyrocketing food prices and poor gas mileage.
@ProfSai I'm not sure how much sugar we could grow here but the Corn growers have used the South American ethanol model to push ethanol but in no way want anything but corn ethanol. The corn lobby in this country owns congress and dictates what we will use. If we ended their rule over congress they would fight any other ethanol calling it a loser.
only algea is a good biofuel.It produces 5-15 thousand gallons per acre compared to 18 gallons with corn.Plus it can be used to replace the environmentally destructive palm oil for food.Also it can be done indoors and so wont compete for land for food.
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"The IndyCar Series is proud to be fueled by ethanol, a renewable energy fuel," he said. "For the last three years, ethanol has been the official fuel as a result of a sponsorship agreement with the ethanol producers and EPIC, the Ethanol Promotion and Information Council.
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In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
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Myth #1: It Takes More Energy to Produce Ethanol than You Get from It!
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—
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Does it really matter what type of crop we use ? As long as it doesent kill the planet with its toxic cancer causing properties , as long as its bio degradable , as long as it is grown in a Organic manner and it keeps us from destroying the EARTH !When was the last time you heard of a benefit concert for poor oil companies ? Come on folks Regular Farmers aint getting rich from the subsidies , that's just common sense !
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The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors. Using this criterion, the energy returned from alcohol fuel per fossil energy input is much higher. In a system that supplies almost all of its energy from biomass, the ratio of return could be positive by hundreds to one.
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IS THIS WHAT WE WANT MORE OF ? GULF OIL SPILL STILL KILLING I ! Come on people wake up ! Dispersant Still In Gulf of Mexico.
New evidence that Corexit dispersant is degrading very slowly while seafloor marine life suffocate covered by oil, dolphin stillborn deaths in January and February 2011 are ten times normal, and many coastal residents are sick.
- “When the world sees something like baby dolphins washing up
on shore, it pulls at the heartstrings, and we all want to know why.”
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As Exxon Pays Zero Taxes, Fox Host Defends Big Oil Subsidies
Think Progress -- Right now, the federal government is on the verge of being shutdown due to an impasse in funding negotiations. Conservatives want deep cuts to programs for Main Street Americans . Yet at the same time, House Republicans voted unanimously to protect taxpayer giveaways to Big Oil, even with major oil companies like Exxon paying absolutely nothing in federal corporate income taxes in 2009.
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Oil get's big subsidies, not ethanol !
"Ethanol Today," (8/'05) states "Five years ago, a US General Accounting Office report showed that ethanol had received $11.6 billion in tax incentives since 1968, while the oil industry had received over $150 billion in tax benefit over the same period.
Corn is one of the worst ethanol producing crops there is. The reason corn farmers use it here in the US is because their farm infrastructure is built for it. To change from corn to sugar beets would cost them a small fortune. Why change when the government is actually giving them money? Theres no incentive whatsoever for them to change to a more efficient crop.
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The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
Here in Brazil ethanol is a little better, we make it using sugar cane, it's more productive, and a lot of our cars run on both fuels (gas/ethanol), people have option, it's far from great, but its good to have options.
The market will give peoploe what they want, what they need, we are now using natural gas to run our cars as well it's dirty cheap (but not to powerfull), people need options!
OPEN YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE! We need to stop listening to the hype thrown around by the money companies -corn people, the oil companies, and get logical. Other plants work way better than corn ever could! Sugar beets grow great and produce far more per acre. Also get real, if you convert your tractors and trucks to run on ethanol you don't use gasoline. I swear these people should talk logic and stop just blowing smoke!!!
th only flaw with Ethanol is that the corn growers are pushing to be the leaders, It will work, but with sugar beets, or other higher sugar producing vegs. Brazil runs 100% Ethanol in all their cars, they use sugar cane!
OPEN YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE! We need to stop the hype thrown around by the corn people the oil companies and get logical. Other plants work way better!
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Could the Dust Bowl Happen Again?:
The Dust Bowl could happen again. Agribusiness is draining the groundwater from the Midwest about eight times faster than rain is putting it back in. This area stretches from South Dakota to Texas and supplies about 30 percent of the nation's irrigation water. At this rate, the groundwater will be gone within the century, and parts of the Texas Panhandle will run dry in this year.
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The 6.9 percent of their budgets that Americans spend on food is one of the lowest globally according to the chart, and not just in comparison to developing countries. With the apparent exception of the UK, most countries in Europe spend more than 10 percent of their budgets on food and even the British, stereotypically not too picky with their meals, spend more percentage-wise than the United States on food. Only Ireland, with 7.2 percent of their per-capita spending comes close !
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But it gets worse: among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
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In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it .
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything !
Middle Eastern petroleum is required to produce ethanol. In the absence of ethanol production, petroleum imports would be reduced by the amount currently being consumed to produce ethanol and abandoning it's production would enable a decrease in the amount of petroleum imports. Ethanol is corporate welfare.
Food prices are going out of control because of government mandates for the use of this crap. Please do one thing: go to congress.org and put in your zip code than write your federal reps and ask them to Suspend ethanol and biodiesel mandates, all corn ethanol and biodiesel would than have to sell on it's merit not by force.
@mohamedtheprophet1 Don't criticize biodiesel there are viable ways to make it. Like hemp which is one of the fastest growing bio masses known to man or green algae . I agree corn ethanol is a horrible alternative though.
And what happens if we have a failed crop? The mid west dust bowl lasted for years and back then they could not blame it on global warming. There was a small fraction of cars and trucks on the road than there is now. I'm not for oil or ethanol, I just want affordable food, and fuel that is also safe to use in my 1988 pick up. I just want to throw in the dust bowl fact that I never hear in these debates.
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I have seen a lot of folks say that biofuels are subsidized or they wouldn't be viable. Oil is subsidized as well - in the form of our military being deployed around the world to the hotspots where most of the oil seems to be. We don't see that cost at the pump, but we do pay for that in our taxes. How much does a barrel of oil, or a gallon of gasoline really cost when you factor that cost into it?
Subsidies are redundant by nature. If something is a good idea, or if there is demand for it, then it does well anyway. If it's not good enough to have it's own thriving industry, then propping it up is pointless anyway.
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582 people agree with this???? bio-fuels are the future, you oil slaves are moronic, you wanna say we won't get off the oil nipple? how about we stop farming in the 18th century and vertically grow food and ethanol is made with ANY sugars you jackasses, thanks for stopping the green revolution in its tracks because you cant agree on whats the best solution.. its gotta be a combo of ethanol,bio-diesel,electric,and the other natural ways we produce energy i can fit in this book of a post, abc FU
Ethanol is not the answer. Any Bio-fuel, weather its corn, soybeans,(Bio-diesel) or whatever is removing actual food or simply acres from it's proper use. Fertilzer is a finite resource just as petroleum is, so we are trading one problem for a much larger one. Drive across Kansas wheat country and you will see mostly corn now, with an ethanol plant every 30 miles. I believe I can speak about this because I've been connected to the fertilizer industry for 32 years. Bio-fuels are immoral. Wake up!
1 gallon equivalent of gasoline creates 1.3 gallons of CORN ethanol, but one gallon of ethanol only contains 66.6% the energy of gasoline so CORN ethanol creates a net energy loss. Ethanol is simply the biggest corporate welfare program ever seen.
@pigs4islam Have a look at the system whereby H2 get mixed with gasoline, they use demi water, 20 amps from your alternator to produce H2 that is than fueled into your carb. reduces, THEY SAY, your consumption by 40%.
@pigs4islam CORN ethanol is the key word there. Use other sources that are more efficient. All the corn we feed cows can be fed to them after the process and it is actually more nutritious.
Well yeah, depending on the transportation distance and where it's made, Ive seen estimates stating that it takes 1.25 gallons of petrol to make 1 gallon of ethanol while including all the factors such as farming, processing, and transportation energy.
@DamianiWins We could use both and much more , like algae , and any bio mass really , and we have proven you can take the fuel out of corn and still have a better quality feed left after the you take only 28% of the starch , leaving all the fat and protein , it makes no sense right now to still use dirty toxic oil !
Ethanol is great. Corn ethanol is bad. Scientists are developing bacteria that can convert cellulose to ethanol, which normally takes sulfuric acid. So you can make it out of waste wood and waste food. Also, ethanol doesnt degrade, gasoline degrades. This is stupid.
The detractors talk about how much energy and water is used to produce ethanol. I think this is misguided logic. No matter what we use the corn for, we still grow it, harvest it, store it and ship it. Those costs in energy should not be factored in. Unlike cost of recovering oil for the sole purpose of refining for fuel. As for the actual making of ethanol, it's pretty water efficient, with most loss coming from cooling towers. The cooking and drying is done by natural gas. Animal feed is left.
Brazil opens world's first ethanol-fired power plant
by Reuters
Brazil on Tuesday opened the world's first ethanol-fueled power plant in an effort by the South American biofuels giant to increase the global use of ethanol and boost its clean power generation.
State-run oil giant Petrobras and General Electric, which helped design the plant, are betting that increased use of ethanol generation by green-conscious countries will boost demand for the product.
But perhaps more important than EROEI is the energy return on fossil fuel input. Using this criterion, the energy returned from alcohol fuel per fossil energy input is much higher. In a system that supplies almost all of its energy from biomass, the ratio of return could be positive by hundreds to one.
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—producing less energy than is used in its production.
Energy returned on energy invested = (EROEI) In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
We need to get rid of oil use not because of "global warming" but because we need to stop buying oil from saudi arabia and other muslims nations who are our enemy´s, muslims are subhuman scum and we should not found them.
WIthout money the muslim scum will go bankrupt and die ;)
Although "natural gas, biofel, solar, wind, nuclear" powers are acceptable methods to explore because people like them, Ethanol is just simply an energy waste because it is true; it degrades, it takes more water and energy, is environmental dependent to keep production up. it takes 10x the amount of water to grow and make it than refining oil.
Plus, the politician has it wrong. I'm not being robbed to pay an oil sheek, I'm voluntarily forced because we can't get our own oil and I want oil fuel
Saving the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars every year that the US spends on importing oil and fighting "oil wars" would go a long way towards solving the smaller issues that Ethanol/Natural Gas/Biofuels/Solar/Wind/Nuclear/ect power presents.
But wait I keep hearing that Corn Subsidies will go to BioDiesel What happen to Biodiesel they were in talks as the Solution from Petroleum. I heard that biodiesel was supposed to come from Corn Oil What happen to the results from that study.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website. BP stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks .
Myth #6: Ethanol Doesn’t Improve Global Warming! In Fact, It Pollutes the Air!
Alcohol fuel has been added to gasoline to reduce virtually every class of air pollution. Adding as little as 5–10% alcohol can reduce carbon monoxide from gasoline exhaust dramatically. When using pure alcohol, the reductions in all three of the major pollutants—carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons—are so great that, in many cases, the remaining emissions are unmeasurably small.
Patrick Packnett, assistant deputy administrator of global analysis for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, said just this week that ethanol is not a major factor causing food price inflation. In an article published Wednesday on DTN Ag News, Packnett is quoted saying: "Someone needs to set the record straight. People are looking for an easy target when they blame ethanol for raising food prices, but there are many other factors at play, and ethanol isn't even the major issue."
Ethanol brewed from corn is technically a renewable fuel, but it's even dirtier than gasoline; the carbon supposedly saved by using farmland to grow fuel (which boosts global food prices and worsens world hunger) is ultimately devoured by the conversion of wetlands and forests into farmland. In any case, the U.S. already has a mandate ensuring the production of billions of gallons of ethanol
This guy is a retarded mouthpiece for corporate america. Are you really going to believe this bullshit? The reason ethanol is not being used is because anyone can make it in their backyard from anything that contains simple sugar. That means that corn is one of the worse sources of sugar because the plant itself is naturally inefficient. Brazil uses sugarcane, other farmers use beets and high-sugar non-food crops with much more efficiency. THis spot is 90% OIL LIES!
We do need to stop using corn syrup in so many products I agree , and i would like to see all tax payer subsidies end , especially for BIG OIL COMPANIES , that receive most of the Ethanol Subsidies in what is called a blenders credit , BP made over 500,000,000.00 on this wonderful little handout last year , I would like to see all food items labeled in the U.S.A. when they have GMO ingredients , and we also need to ban petroleum based fertilizers and pesticides , we are killing are planet :-(
What about high-fructose corn syrup? Its in nearly everything we eat. We subsidize corn to produce it. We need to stop subsidizing corn and start growing fruits and vegetables with nutritional value.
April 23rd, 2010 ..... By Kinder Essington ....Their finding was there may be an ideal gasoline/ethanol blend that would actually deliver better mileage than straight gasoline.
In one of the cars, an E30 blend showed a 1% improvement in mileage over straight gasoline. But E20 delivered a 15% mileage improvement in another of the cars. A third car showed mileage improvements on E40.
The problem with ethanol is that you don't get the mileage. So how's that saving anything. When I used straight gas I got 26mph. Now there is 10% E in the gas and I'm only getting 21.6 and yes, my car is tuned up and oil changed every 3 months so is running fine. It's the lousy gas so in this bad ecomony, I need to spend more to get to work. I need more fills to get where I'm going. How's that saving anything? It's only putting money in the political pockets from lobbyists.
A documentary film called "FUEL" really opened my eyes and I recommend for anyone still in question about ethanol other alternative fuels crude oil etc.
Here is an interesting segment, there is an area where oil refineries refine crude oil in Louisiana called ........... CANCER ALLEY
Before I didn't really care about what fuels we used gasoline diesel ethanol etc. and though I have nothing against gasoline and petroleum fuels I know that our country should not be so dependent on petroleum fuels. Especially when most of it comes from the middle east.
We need clean alternatives ethanol, biodiesel, electricity from wind and solar energy.
All these clean energy jobs are good for the environment, renewable and provides jobs to many Americans and jobs that can not be OUTSOURCED!
Its been 3 years since this video was posted and we have come along ways since corn ethanol although it is still being used. Scientists have discovered Second Generation Ethanol fuel, fuel that comes from biomass waste, switchgrass, and the most popular algae based ethanol.
I know it may seem confusing when you have both crude oil vs Ethanol but what would you rather have jobs and clean fuel that is produced here in America or pay for oil companies in the middle east for their dirty crude oil.
Brazil said Monday it was pressing the United States and European Union to open their markets to more ethanol imports, but has yet to reach a deal with either. Brazil has made ethanol one of its key demands in global trade talks, noting that the fuel is taxed at much higher rates than petroleum and that the U.S. considers it the only product outside the scope of World Trade Organization rules .
Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
Ethanol is a very good fuel, I have been using it full time for over 3 years. On cold mornings the exhaust has a nice sweet smell to it. Ethanol creates domestic jobs and helps to keep farm economy healthy. Also it creates train loads of cattle feed as a by product.
SCREW THE ENVIRMENT....DITCH YOUR CAR....DRIVE A SCOOTER AND SAVE YOUR MONEY....USE IS TO GO ON VACATION! BY FLYING IN A AIRPLANE AND PULLUTE THE EARTH!
Ethanol is bullshit and I don't doubt for one second that hired agents of the ethanol lobby go out on the Internet to spew propaganda on their shitty product.
If I owned huge corn-growing farms or an ethanol producing company I'd do that.
Factoid: Americans living near coal-fired power plants are exposed to higher radiation doses than those living near nuclear power plants that meet government regulations.
The amount of thorium contained in coal is about 2.5 times greater than the amount in uranium.
@Tinkertom2k6 >>>Unlimited clean energy from the vacuum
No dependence on foreign oil from politically unstable areas
No pollution
No dependence on strategically vulnerable centralized power and distribution systems
No radioactive waste disposal problems .America's civilian nuclear technology cost a total of a trillion federal dollars yet delivers less energy than wood.
@Tinkertom2k6 Nuclear energy isn't clean per se. But it doesn't admit so-called "greenhouse gasses".
But I do agree with you on your message. Coal works great and is cheap for now. Well designed nuclear plants in certain areas are great as well. If people are concerned about global warming and they are not supporting nuclear power, they're fucking lunatics as there is no alternative as good in this time in history (and making people live in shacks is not an alternative).
As a central nebraska farmer I deliver corn to any number of local ethanol plants and that chemical denaturant u say is added is northing more than gasoline I kno because my girl is a lab tech at biofuel energy corporation. And as for the smell I think itr smells like ham sandwiches. Just personal opinion but I kinda like it.
@tbonesteakandfries24 > I hear ya , and that smell can be intoxicating and deadly , some dumb people even "huff" gasoline for a high kinda like paint , very bad idea though , kills lots of brain cells for that cheap high , but just think how many more Americans could be working legitimate jobs if we had small organic farms growing most of are car fuel like Brazil does , hell we pay farmers not to grow on millions of acres every year here , crazy , lets put are people back to WORK NOW !
Cancer Alley — "Cancer Alley" is the 80-mile toxic stretch along the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, where over 100 oil refineries, petrochemical plants, and other industries pollute the air, ground, and water. PVC-plastic production, vinyl manufacturing, and agricultural petrochemical processing are aspects of the world-wide petroleum industry that are often overlooked.One study documented that 80 percent of residents of Cancer Alley have respiratory problems.
ethanol stinks, literally. I lived in a town with a processing plant. Every summer, the stink would waft through the whole town. The solution, build a higher stack to throw the smell out to rural areas. great. Hydrogen is the way to go IMO.
This is why the cost of anything with corn syrup in it has skyrocketed over the last 5 years
1963danno 6 days ago
Ethanol makes your engine wear out sooner
1963danno 6 days ago
What do you want our money towards foreign countries or money to circulate in the U.S. thats why we are in a recession understandable that it is corrosive its easy to convert your engine. the company they mentioned is not the only company that mass produces ethanol they just don't want you to make that shit at your house.
xaploq1 1 week ago
Not too mention that Ethanol absolutely destroys Engines.
WestSkier11 3 weeks ago
Ethanol great when not made from over represented Iowa's corn
enyawix 3 weeks ago
ethonal is 10000000 times better then being controlled by oil corporations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xoxnatalia12 3 weeks ago
This is why you gotta research for your self and dont believe anything politicians tell you. They will say whatever their donors tell them to. Democrat or republican it doesnt matter. We need to remove science from politics.
ambigroove 3 weeks ago
Thank god ethonal is now a thing of the past. I love how the Newspaper reported it would make gas prices go up 5 cents, but failed to report how everybody will get a 10%-25% increase in MPG. So basically, the gov just cut the cost of gas and food. First thing it has done that made sense in a long long time.
ambigroove 3 weeks ago
Newt was a Ethanol lobbyist
fthefarmer 3 weeks ago
Another reason not to vote for Mitt Romney!
rehwr 3 weeks ago
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Food prices are going out of control because of government mandates for the use of this crap. Please do one thing: go to congress.org and put in your zip code than write your federal reps and ask them to Suspend ethanol and biodiesel mandates, all corn ethanol and biodiesel would than have to sell on it's merit not by force.
mohamedtheprophet1 1 month ago 3
i don't see what the problem is with making our own people more money. besides it is alot better for your engine no piston ring wear on the cylinder walls after 105 thousand miles and no wear on the valve seats. that is the problem with news media they don't look into the big picture all cars going to the junk yard sooner because of worn out engines don't help people when they have to by a new vehicle because gas can't move though a pipe fast enough witch is probably a bunch of crap.
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RHONDA332 1 month ago
making our food supply into fuel on the tax payers dime, yeah, great idea
pumkinvine 1 month ago
Thats one hell of a mustache...
leesdawgs7 1 month ago
in the early 1900s hemp seed oil was the nomber one fuel no body talks about that
cankiller1000 2 months ago
I'm from Brazil and I'd like to make a few things clear about brazilian sugarcane ethanol.
It provides about 15% of our energy demand. We're far from being independent of oil.
Many of our cars uses both fuels, sometimes it is cheaper using ethanol, sometimes not.
Brazil is very competitive in producing ethanol because of the tropical climate. I don't know if the US could produce it as effectively as we do.
Ethanol technology is still largely subsidized by the State.
luizcadu 3 months ago
Wow, if you believe this video you are no better than the person that thinks ethanol is going to be the cure all.
One half truth after another to show that the whole effort is really just some form of a scam. As if most of the arguments being presented don't also apply to big oil.
germancaveguy 3 months ago
To address the argument that ethanol takes more energy to produce than it gives off. Of course this is true. Yet, this is true about everything, including oil. Anyone ever heard of the first law of thermodynamics.
The only difference between the oil and ethanol is that the energy required to turn fossils into fuel happened over millions of years. These guys like to count all that energy coming from the sun just to say it takes too much.
Even if the subsidies were cut, ethanol still works.
germancaveguy 3 months ago
@germancaveguy The video wasn't trying to say that the energy it takes for us to consume ethanol comes from the actual energy of the corn itself growing,but that it takes just as much energy to farm and transport the corn and make it into ethanol then the energy it produces, and we don't put energy we get from oil to make oil like we have to do to make ethanol. I'm not trying to say that oil is the answer, I'm personally more of a fan of natural gas, but rather that your argument is terrible.
cubbiefn 3 months ago
@cubbiefn Perhaps I was quick to jump the gun on which study I thought they were using to make their argument. Instead, they may have been using David Pimentel's study which keeps counting more and more energy sources until there is more input than output. Interestingly enough however, using the same equations, even oil takes 10% more energy to produce than it gives back. Regardless, the vast majority of opponents of ethanol are proponents of oil. Yet they always ignore oil's inefficiencies.
germancaveguy 3 months ago
ethanol doesnt only come from corn!
sleeve318 3 months ago
I eat food, my cars drink gas, KEEP THEM SEPERATE, if my car now eats food, well hell we should drink gas because it's probably just as good....good god
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx that doesnt even make sense.
sleeve318 3 months ago
@sleeve318 that's the point genius
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx YOU dont make any sense.
sleeve318 3 months ago
@sleeve318 OHH tough guy...
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx if gasoline is 100% toxic for us, why would it be ok for our cars and our environment? similarly, if food is nontoxic for us, why would it be bad for our cars and our environment. your statement makes absolutely no sense.
sleeve318 3 months ago
@sleeve318 you really think putting corn into your gas tank is a good idea? What I said wasn't supposed to make anymore sense than ethanol in the first place you fucking dumbass look up the term sarcasm retard.
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx you have no fucking clue what enthanol even is do you?
sleeve318 3 months ago
@sleeve318 you have no fucking clue what video you're even on do you?
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx ethanol is simply alcohol. corn ethanol is whiskey. you do realize you can make alcohol with other things dont you? and YES i think cars running on ethanol is WAY better than gasoline.
sleeve318 3 months ago
@sleeve318 then you definitely live under a rock and haven't a god damn clue what the real world tastes like. Like I said, watch the video...
xXxDANMANxXx 3 months ago
@xXxDANMANxXx ethanol is cleaner and can be produced locally. dont be retarded.
sleeve318 3 months ago
The "Corn Lobby Conspiracy" doen't make sense to me. A farm can grow all sorts of different crops so if something else is better then corn they could just switch. (And grow corn just for food.) Who wouldn't want our fuel money going to US farmers instead of the next Osama?
ProfSai 4 months ago
it can work, if all the tractors and other fuel have electric engines
starscreamdkmo 4 months ago
Politically, ethanol has been a bust. However, here's my take on it.
Ethanol contains about 30% less energy than gasoline, but if you ran it in an engine made to run ethanol, that energy is made up for with better horse power(since it can be run in higher compression engines). I also don't buy that it takes any more energy to make ethanol in america than it would to process oil and ship it overseas.
PirateOfTheInternet 4 months ago
And how much energy does it take to get oil OUT OF THE GROUND... IN SAUDI ARABIA!, then ship it over here, then REFINE IT! and ship it to the pumps. you really think it doesnt take any energy to get gasoline? this whole video is a myth.
kelseyfitz1750 4 months ago
its robbing abdulaaa not peter it makes strategic sence and guess where the money goes............it gos to the good old US of A ........so stop whining
anoxxi 4 months ago
Ethanol is bad for engines as well
Ilikadasauce 4 months ago
@Ilikadasauce not if you make it correctly.. water is bad for engines but if you make it specific and it will work.
sniped101 1 month ago
A high compression engine will run better than gasoline runs in a low compression engine. It is the engine not the ethanol that is the problem.
CalvinLeman 5 months ago
With alcohol fuel, you can become energy independent, reverse global warming, and survive Peak Oil in style. Alcohol fuel is "liquid sunshine" and can't be controlled by transnational corporations. You can produce alcohol for less than $1 a gallon, using a wide variety of plants and waste products, from algae to stale donuts. It's a much better fuel than gasoline, and you can use it in your car, right now. You can even use alcohol to generate electricity. ......David Blume .
mikehanoo33 5 months ago
Hemp is better than corn for ethanol.
Chewie576 5 months ago
You instantly know something is a crock when "demand" for it is being created artificially by government subsidizing its manufacture than by a genuine demand in the marketplace.
Economic common sense even a "mere" Mundane can grok.
mung0jerry 5 months ago 2
This is actually horseshit. Oil prices and the increase in high-calorie intake in formerly lower-calorie regions are the reason food prices are going up. Has nothing to do with alcohol fuels. The data does not support a word he just said.
Reticuli 5 months ago
Without TOXIC CANCER CAUSING OIL everyones life span goes up , all life forms benefit , there is nothing positive about petroleum , you can make anything from hemp that you can make from petroleum , and trying to justify defiling another pristine place like Yellowstone just makes you look like a bigger loser then you already are . Check out David Blumes Web sight for the truth on bio fuels , pig4islam your data is completely wrong and pure oil company propaganda , turn off your TV and wake up .
mikehanoo33 5 months ago
Every time the government throws money at a enviormental solution it's actually a back-handed way to give money some interest or another. Corn is a lousey way to make ethonol, cellouse, sugar cane and bio-engeneered alge should of got the funding.
phookadude 6 months ago
Cellulosic ethanol, not corn ethanol, IS Great. There are less fine particulates created that pollute the air and less green house gases produced. The fuel of the future should not come from the food of the future.
bright2life 6 months ago
corn fuel is lame.... use hemp!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Hemptastic47 6 months ago 2
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Now were leaking oil in another once beautiful place ,Yellowstone , when are we gonna say enough is enough , when your neighborhood gets polluted by an oil leak , chances are it already has , why do you think so many people die of cancer every year , is it worth it ?
mikehanoo33 6 months ago
@mikehanoo33 No it was a small leak far away from Yellowstone park and the river flows away from the park. Now it is complete cleaned up no big deal
busguy100 5 months ago
@mikehanoo33 Without oil your life span would be somewhere around 40 years but thanks to oil we now live much longer and happier life's
busguy100 5 months ago
Been using E 85 for 5 years, engine still running like new. Ethanol is good.
Rusty1220 6 months ago
no politician wants to say no to the ethanol crime congrmolate. i can use ethanol in my car but it really is not worth using because of the harm it does to the engine and gets less gas milage.
desiguy55 6 months ago
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So the great senators voted to get rid of ethanol subsidies , (which much of was going to big oil as a blenders credit) nice work as we still give big oil over 40 billion dollars in tax breaks and billions more in out right subsidies (corporate welfare) I guess the little guys have to make sacrifices for the rich fat cats to continue there mad dominance of the energy industry .Moonshine (ethanol) is still a much better fuel then cancer causing planet killing petroleum ,the gulf is still dirty .
mikehanoo33 7 months ago
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That fat guy is 100% misinfo. He's probably an oil company lobbyist.
hyunseob900 7 months ago
Forget corn, Hemp is many time more suited to ethanol production Google Hemp bio-fuels and Henry Ford Hemp car Let get the DEA out of our tanks.
22knowa 7 months ago 2
Ethanol is better than oil.... but other technologies are better; albeit underdeveloped. Oil companies are in trouble. Scrap ethanol and oil--produce technologies that use regenerative electricity to move cars. No associative issues... Apparently there are too many people who don't want to see oil/ethanol stock depreciation. I believe it is completely unethical to "stunt" the growth of technology and that is clearly their goal in lieu of their own personal profit. Shame on you guys.
brahud 7 months ago
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A lot of people will be very unhappy when they realize what this technology could have done for the earth -- and how many deaths and how much environmental damage could have been avoided in the process.
mikehanoo33 7 months ago
Wish i could get this in an article so i can quote it for my damn paper
Elekks 7 months ago
GOOD WORK JOHN
JESUSLION2011 7 months ago 2
john doing fine.
JESUSLION2011 7 months ago
Nuclear's the way to go.
TheEmperorCho 7 months ago
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October 30, 2010
Big corn crop piles up snags in distribution
Shipping system unable to handle record surplus fast enough to handle record surplus
By LANE BLACKMER Special to the Record-Eagle The Record Eagle Sat Oct 30, 2010, 07:14 AM EDT
LANSING — Harvested corn is stacking up faster than it can be shipped out of Michigan, leaving some distribution and storage facilities temporarily closed and experts looking for alternate uses.
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
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Most people are not aware that Henry Ford’s Model T came in a variation that allowed the driver to switch the carburetor to run the engine on farm-made ethyl acohol [sic]. This allowed the operator to stop at local farms (equipped with stills) to refuel his/her car during long trips through the backcountry . Cont-
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
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After all- the gas station wasn’t exactly as ubiquitous in those days, as it is now. The Standard Oil Company and its industrialist-founder John D. Rockefeller wasn’t too happy with this arrangement. After all, Rockefeller’s company had a virtual monoploly on gasoline at this time in our nation’s development.
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
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"Big Oil's war on ethanol." The industry, he writes, "reacted aggressively against the expansion of ethanol production, suggesting that it perceives the growth of biofuels as an independent, competitive threat to its market power in refining and gasoline marketing."
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
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Technology to Reduce Dependence on Oil has Been Known For years - "Among the more than 350 documents/videos concerning the energy scam you will find: There is an abundant supply of oil in Alaska • 376-mpg technology was demonstrated in 1973 • 72-mpg and 104-mpg automobiles were sold in Europe • The Japanese have two water fueled automobiles on the street." (Veterans Today; March 31, 2010)
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
What do you get with a cheesy mustache and fat lobbyist .. BS .. Almost everything your taught is a lie.
MrSchpankme 8 months ago
@MrSchpankme why? where is your evidence? where is your argument?
photoartist9 8 months ago
Also, fermenting the corn to alcohol results in more meat than if you fed the corn directly to the cattle. We can actually increase the meat supply by first processing corn into alcohol, which only takes 28% of the starch, leaving all the protein and fat, creating a higher-quality animal feed than the original corn.
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
@mikehanoo33 on some level your right the spent mash can be re-dried and sold as chicken feed, but the type of corn used to make ethanol is the type intended for human consumption. what they use to feed livestock has a very small ear, compared to its stalk, and the whole thing stock and all is fed to the cow.
photoartist9 8 months ago
The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
@mikehanoo33 yes, but it also reduces crop yields by roughly a third. as it has been stated current crop yields are struggling to meet government mandates.
photoartist9 8 months ago
Why does ethanol work so much better in Brazil then in the US? Their prices have gone down while ours are skyrocketing. They are importing far less oil then they used to. Should be be growing sugar cane instead of corn?
ProfSai 8 months ago
@ProfSai Ethanol in Brazil is made from sugar and returns 8 units of energy for every unit of energy used to make it. The corn ethanol made here requires more energy to make it than you get from it. Ultimately Corn ethanol is a welfare program for the corn lobby and provides no energy independence just skyrocketing food prices and poor gas mileage.
pigs4islam 8 months ago
@pigs4islam So why don't we just grow sugar cane then?
ProfSai 8 months ago
@ProfSai I'm not sure how much sugar we could grow here but the Corn growers have used the South American ethanol model to push ethanol but in no way want anything but corn ethanol. The corn lobby in this country owns congress and dictates what we will use. If we ended their rule over congress they would fight any other ethanol calling it a loser.
pigs4islam 8 months ago
only algea is a good biofuel.It produces 5-15 thousand gallons per acre compared to 18 gallons with corn.Plus it can be used to replace the environmentally destructive palm oil for food.Also it can be done indoors and so wont compete for land for food.
oreolvrs 8 months ago
The only thing more stupid than ethanol is Tar Sands, Oil Shale, and Coal Liquification.
3 things Stossel supports.
MsZeitgeist85 8 months ago
ethanol can be made with sugar and anything that can be ferment. not just corn.
doug4760 8 months ago
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"The IndyCar Series is proud to be fueled by ethanol, a renewable energy fuel," he said. "For the last three years, ethanol has been the official fuel as a result of a sponsorship agreement with the ethanol producers and EPIC, the Ethanol Promotion and Information Council.
mikehanoo33 8 months ago
Lu v this guy
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In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
@mikehanoo33 What do you know about using STEVIA instead od corn?
Tralgit 8 months ago
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Myth #1: It Takes More Energy to Produce Ethanol than You Get from It!
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
@mikehanoo33 You seem very knowledgable about Ethanol, do you work in the industry?
fthefarmer 8 months ago
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Does it really matter what type of crop we use ? As long as it doesent kill the planet with its toxic cancer causing properties , as long as its bio degradable , as long as it is grown in a Organic manner and it keeps us from destroying the EARTH !When was the last time you heard of a benefit concert for poor oil companies ? Come on folks Regular Farmers aint getting rich from the subsidies , that's just common sense !
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors. Using this criterion, the energy returned from alcohol fuel per fossil energy input is much higher. In a system that supplies almost all of its energy from biomass, the ratio of return could be positive by hundreds to one.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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IS THIS WHAT WE WANT MORE OF ? GULF OIL SPILL STILL KILLING I ! Come on people wake up ! Dispersant Still In Gulf of Mexico.
New evidence that Corexit dispersant is degrading very slowly while seafloor marine life suffocate covered by oil, dolphin stillborn deaths in January and February 2011 are ten times normal, and many coastal residents are sick.
- “When the world sees something like baby dolphins washing up
on shore, it pulls at the heartstrings, and we all want to know why.”
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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As Exxon Pays Zero Taxes, Fox Host Defends Big Oil Subsidies
Think Progress -- Right now, the federal government is on the verge of being shutdown due to an impasse in funding negotiations. Conservatives want deep cuts to programs for Main Street Americans . Yet at the same time, House Republicans voted unanimously to protect taxpayer giveaways to Big Oil, even with major oil companies like Exxon paying absolutely nothing in federal corporate income taxes in 2009.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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Oil get's big subsidies, not ethanol !
"Ethanol Today," (8/'05) states "Five years ago, a US General Accounting Office report showed that ethanol had received $11.6 billion in tax incentives since 1968, while the oil industry had received over $150 billion in tax benefit over the same period.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
Corn is one of the worst ethanol producing crops there is. The reason corn farmers use it here in the US is because their farm infrastructure is built for it. To change from corn to sugar beets would cost them a small fortune. Why change when the government is actually giving them money? Theres no incentive whatsoever for them to change to a more efficient crop.
Tuuktalus 9 months ago 10
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The real ecological nightmare is industrial agriculture. Switching to organic-style crop rotation will cut energy use on farms by a third or more: no more petroleum-based herbicides, pesticides, or chemical fertilizers. Fertilizer needs can be served either by applying the byproducts left over from the alcohol manufacturing process directly to the soil, or by first running the byproducts through animals as feed.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
Here in Brazil ethanol is a little better, we make it using sugar cane, it's more productive, and a lot of our cars run on both fuels (gas/ethanol), people have option, it's far from great, but its good to have options.
The market will give peoploe what they want, what they need, we are now using natural gas to run our cars as well it's dirty cheap (but not to powerfull), people need options!
lAljax 9 months ago 2
OPEN YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE! We need to stop listening to the hype thrown around by the money companies -corn people, the oil companies, and get logical. Other plants work way better than corn ever could! Sugar beets grow great and produce far more per acre. Also get real, if you convert your tractors and trucks to run on ethanol you don't use gasoline. I swear these people should talk logic and stop just blowing smoke!!!
MrGordonSean 9 months ago
th only flaw with Ethanol is that the corn growers are pushing to be the leaders, It will work, but with sugar beets, or other higher sugar producing vegs. Brazil runs 100% Ethanol in all their cars, they use sugar cane!
OPEN YOUR BRAINS PEOPLE! We need to stop the hype thrown around by the corn people the oil companies and get logical. Other plants work way better!
MrGordonSean 9 months ago
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Could the Dust Bowl Happen Again?:
The Dust Bowl could happen again. Agribusiness is draining the groundwater from the Midwest about eight times faster than rain is putting it back in. This area stretches from South Dakota to Texas and supplies about 30 percent of the nation's irrigation water. At this rate, the groundwater will be gone within the century, and parts of the Texas Panhandle will run dry in this year.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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The 6.9 percent of their budgets that Americans spend on food is one of the lowest globally according to the chart, and not just in comparison to developing countries. With the apparent exception of the UK, most countries in Europe spend more than 10 percent of their budgets on food and even the British, stereotypically not too picky with their meals, spend more percentage-wise than the United States on food. Only Ireland, with 7.2 percent of their per-capita spending comes close !
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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But it gets worse: among the major beneficiaries of our country's corn-loving ways is BP. The oil giant stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks this year alone.
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it .
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything !
mikehanoo33 9 months ago
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John Stossel should work for FOX news, oh wait he does.
jadart2000 10 months ago
Middle Eastern petroleum is required to produce ethanol. In the absence of ethanol production, petroleum imports would be reduced by the amount currently being consumed to produce ethanol and abandoning it's production would enable a decrease in the amount of petroleum imports. Ethanol is corporate welfare.
j1a2r34 10 months ago
Food prices are going out of control because of government mandates for the use of this crap. Please do one thing: go to congress.org and put in your zip code than write your federal reps and ask them to Suspend ethanol and biodiesel mandates, all corn ethanol and biodiesel would than have to sell on it's merit not by force.
mohamedtheprophet1 10 months ago 55
@mohamedtheprophet1 Don't criticize biodiesel there are viable ways to make it. Like hemp which is one of the fastest growing bio masses known to man or green algae . I agree corn ethanol is a horrible alternative though.
TheZacoff 5 months ago
And what happens if we have a failed crop? The mid west dust bowl lasted for years and back then they could not blame it on global warming. There was a small fraction of cars and trucks on the road than there is now. I'm not for oil or ethanol, I just want affordable food, and fuel that is also safe to use in my 1988 pick up. I just want to throw in the dust bowl fact that I never hear in these debates.
rocintrucker83021227 10 months ago 4
strange whiskey drug
sumowrestlerdaddy 10 months ago
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I have seen a lot of folks say that biofuels are subsidized or they wouldn't be viable. Oil is subsidized as well - in the form of our military being deployed around the world to the hotspots where most of the oil seems to be. We don't see that cost at the pump, but we do pay for that in our taxes. How much does a barrel of oil, or a gallon of gasoline really cost when you factor that cost into it?
gulfside2000 10 months ago
Subsidies are redundant by nature. If something is a good idea, or if there is demand for it, then it does well anyway. If it's not good enough to have it's own thriving industry, then propping it up is pointless anyway.
Jotto999 10 months ago 8
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582 people agree with this???? bio-fuels are the future, you oil slaves are moronic, you wanna say we won't get off the oil nipple? how about we stop farming in the 18th century and vertically grow food and ethanol is made with ANY sugars you jackasses, thanks for stopping the green revolution in its tracks because you cant agree on whats the best solution.. its gotta be a combo of ethanol,bio-diesel,electric,and the other natural ways we produce energy i can fit in this book of a post, abc FU
mfluty 10 months ago
Ethanol is not the answer. Any Bio-fuel, weather its corn, soybeans,(Bio-diesel) or whatever is removing actual food or simply acres from it's proper use. Fertilzer is a finite resource just as petroleum is, so we are trading one problem for a much larger one. Drive across Kansas wheat country and you will see mostly corn now, with an ethanol plant every 30 miles. I believe I can speak about this because I've been connected to the fertilizer industry for 32 years. Bio-fuels are immoral. Wake up!
putney1924 11 months ago 3
Even Al Gore now admits that his support of Ethanol was politically based, it is not a viable answer.
fthefarmer 11 months ago 9
1 gallon equivalent of gasoline creates 1.3 gallons of CORN ethanol, but one gallon of ethanol only contains 66.6% the energy of gasoline so CORN ethanol creates a net energy loss. Ethanol is simply the biggest corporate welfare program ever seen.
pigs4islam 11 months ago 75
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@pigs4islam ur facts contradict themselves.
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superbird520 9 months ago
@pigs4islam Have a look at the system whereby H2 get mixed with gasoline, they use demi water, 20 amps from your alternator to produce H2 that is than fueled into your carb. reduces, THEY SAY, your consumption by 40%.
Tralgit 8 months ago
@pigs4islam CORN ethanol is the key word there. Use other sources that are more efficient. All the corn we feed cows can be fed to them after the process and it is actually more nutritious.
pabbananna 8 months ago
@pigs4islam Hemp is better! RON PAUL 2012! No subsidies, needed to create the gas! No sir!
wtfjaftw 5 months ago
@pigs4islam
Well yeah, depending on the transportation distance and where it's made, Ive seen estimates stating that it takes 1.25 gallons of petrol to make 1 gallon of ethanol while including all the factors such as farming, processing, and transportation energy.
SupremeCommander360 4 months ago 5
Vodka is 40% water solution of ethanol.
Save corn! Drink vodka!
wilkudt 11 months ago
Ethanol from HEMP!!!!!!!! NOT CORN!!!!!
DamianiWins 1 year ago
@DamianiWins We could use both and much more , like algae , and any bio mass really , and we have proven you can take the fuel out of corn and still have a better quality feed left after the you take only 28% of the starch , leaving all the fat and protein , it makes no sense right now to still use dirty toxic oil !
mikehanoo33 11 months ago
@DamianiWins hell ya!!! and make ur motor oils from hemp as well!
beeterolds 10 months ago
Ethanol is great. Corn ethanol is bad. Scientists are developing bacteria that can convert cellulose to ethanol, which normally takes sulfuric acid. So you can make it out of waste wood and waste food. Also, ethanol doesnt degrade, gasoline degrades. This is stupid.
a10fjet 1 year ago
Ethanol made from corn can be used to spike gasoline. Today all fuel sold is 10% Ethanol
jvarela965 1 year ago
The detractors talk about how much energy and water is used to produce ethanol. I think this is misguided logic. No matter what we use the corn for, we still grow it, harvest it, store it and ship it. Those costs in energy should not be factored in. Unlike cost of recovering oil for the sole purpose of refining for fuel. As for the actual making of ethanol, it's pretty water efficient, with most loss coming from cooling towers. The cooking and drying is done by natural gas. Animal feed is left.
ELI3K 1 year ago
Corn Ethanol is great. Our savior Obama says so.
Torbon8372 1 year ago 2
January 19, 2010 2:28 PM PST
Brazil opens world's first ethanol-fired power plant
by Reuters
Brazil on Tuesday opened the world's first ethanol-fueled power plant in an effort by the South American biofuels giant to increase the global use of ethanol and boost its clean power generation.
State-run oil giant Petrobras and General Electric, which helped design the plant, are betting that increased use of ethanol generation by green-conscious countries will boost demand for the product.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
But perhaps more important than EROEI is the energy return on fossil fuel input. Using this criterion, the energy returned from alcohol fuel per fossil energy input is much higher. In a system that supplies almost all of its energy from biomass, the ratio of return could be positive by hundreds to one.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Most ethanol research over the past 25 years has been on the topic of energy returned on energy invested (EROEI). Public discussion has been dominated by the American Petroleum Institute’s aggressive distribution of the work of Cornell professor David Pimentel and his numerous, deeply flawed studies. Pimentel stands virtually alone in portraying alcohol as having a negative EROEI—producing less energy than is used in its production.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Energy returned on energy invested = (EROEI) In fact, it’s oil that has a negative EROEI. Because oil is both the raw material and the energy source for production of gasoline, it comes out to about 20% negative. That’s just common sense; some of the oil is itself used up in the process of refining and delivering it (from the Persian Gulf, a distance of 11,000 miles in tanker travel).
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@mikehanoo33 There is no such thing as a negative EROEI... It is a ratio... I think by "negative", you mean "less than one"...
TheEllipsis731 1 year ago
The most exhaustive study on ethanol’s EROEI, by Isaias de Carvalho Macedo, shows an alcohol energy return of more than eight units of output for every unit of input—and this study accounts for everything right down to smelting the ore to make the steel for tractors.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
We need to get rid of oil use not because of "global warming" but because we need to stop buying oil from saudi arabia and other muslims nations who are our enemy´s, muslims are subhuman scum and we should not found them.
WIthout money the muslim scum will go bankrupt and die ;)
Fuck the muslims
Wtfgames 1 year ago
Although "natural gas, biofel, solar, wind, nuclear" powers are acceptable methods to explore because people like them, Ethanol is just simply an energy waste because it is true; it degrades, it takes more water and energy, is environmental dependent to keep production up. it takes 10x the amount of water to grow and make it than refining oil.
Plus, the politician has it wrong. I'm not being robbed to pay an oil sheek, I'm voluntarily forced because we can't get our own oil and I want oil fuel
XF540 1 year ago
Saving the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars every year that the US spends on importing oil and fighting "oil wars" would go a long way towards solving the smaller issues that Ethanol/Natural Gas/Biofuels/Solar/Wind/Nuclear/ect power presents.
PsychoAlfaSchizo 1 year ago
The old fat bastard in the vid probably makes money off corn commodity-and never lifts a finger.
hotsticker 1 year ago
But wait I keep hearing that Corn Subsidies will go to BioDiesel What happen to Biodiesel they were in talks as the Solution from Petroleum. I heard that biodiesel was supposed to come from Corn Oil What happen to the results from that study.
dinfg6 1 year ago
Ethanol made from Sugarcane works. The corn based Ethanol is worthless
jvarela965 1 year ago
Most of the ETHANOL SUBSIDIES ARE GOING TO THE OIL COMPANIES !!!!!!!! Do your research !!!
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
An analysis from Environmental Working Group finds that BP will bring in millions through the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (or VEETC), a tax break for refiners that blend ethanol into gasoline. The tax credit has become yet another handout to oil companies.
"As one of the largest blenders and marketers of biofuels in the nation, we blended over 1 billion gallons of ethanol with gasoline in 2008 alone," BP boasts on its website. BP stands to gain $600 million through ethanol tax breaks .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
grow hemp, switch grass, grow sugar beets, grow algae for fuel not corn
WVliberty 1 year ago
Myth #6: Ethanol Doesn’t Improve Global Warming! In Fact, It Pollutes the Air!
Alcohol fuel has been added to gasoline to reduce virtually every class of air pollution. Adding as little as 5–10% alcohol can reduce carbon monoxide from gasoline exhaust dramatically. When using pure alcohol, the reductions in all three of the major pollutants—carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons—are so great that, in many cases, the remaining emissions are unmeasurably small.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Patrick Packnett, assistant deputy administrator of global analysis for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, said just this week that ethanol is not a major factor causing food price inflation. In an article published Wednesday on DTN Ag News, Packnett is quoted saying: "Someone needs to set the record straight. People are looking for an easy target when they blame ethanol for raising food prices, but there are many other factors at play, and ethanol isn't even the major issue."
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Ethanol brewed from corn is technically a renewable fuel, but it's even dirtier than gasoline; the carbon supposedly saved by using farmland to grow fuel (which boosts global food prices and worsens world hunger) is ultimately devoured by the conversion of wetlands and forests into farmland. In any case, the U.S. already has a mandate ensuring the production of billions of gallons of ethanol
SageRai 1 year ago
This guy is a retarded mouthpiece for corporate america. Are you really going to believe this bullshit? The reason ethanol is not being used is because anyone can make it in their backyard from anything that contains simple sugar. That means that corn is one of the worse sources of sugar because the plant itself is naturally inefficient. Brazil uses sugarcane, other farmers use beets and high-sugar non-food crops with much more efficiency. THis spot is 90% OIL LIES!
orgoniteRocks 1 year ago 2
We do need to stop using corn syrup in so many products I agree , and i would like to see all tax payer subsidies end , especially for BIG OIL COMPANIES , that receive most of the Ethanol Subsidies in what is called a blenders credit , BP made over 500,000,000.00 on this wonderful little handout last year , I would like to see all food items labeled in the U.S.A. when they have GMO ingredients , and we also need to ban petroleum based fertilizers and pesticides , we are killing are planet :-(
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
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mikehanoo33 1 year ago
What about high-fructose corn syrup? Its in nearly everything we eat. We subsidize corn to produce it. We need to stop subsidizing corn and start growing fruits and vegetables with nutritional value.
michael918273645 1 year ago
Ethanol Blends That Improve Mileage? What?....
April 23rd, 2010 ..... By Kinder Essington ....Their finding was there may be an ideal gasoline/ethanol blend that would actually deliver better mileage than straight gasoline.
In one of the cars, an E30 blend showed a 1% improvement in mileage over straight gasoline. But E20 delivered a 15% mileage improvement in another of the cars. A third car showed mileage improvements on E40.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 4
The problem with ethanol is that you don't get the mileage. So how's that saving anything. When I used straight gas I got 26mph. Now there is 10% E in the gas and I'm only getting 21.6 and yes, my car is tuned up and oil changed every 3 months so is running fine. It's the lousy gas so in this bad ecomony, I need to spend more to get to work. I need more fills to get where I'm going. How's that saving anything? It's only putting money in the political pockets from lobbyists.
movourneen 1 year ago
A documentary film called "FUEL" really opened my eyes and I recommend for anyone still in question about ethanol other alternative fuels crude oil etc.
Here is an interesting segment, there is an area where oil refineries refine crude oil in Louisiana called ........... CANCER ALLEY
js182010 1 year ago 2
Before I didn't really care about what fuels we used gasoline diesel ethanol etc. and though I have nothing against gasoline and petroleum fuels I know that our country should not be so dependent on petroleum fuels. Especially when most of it comes from the middle east.
We need clean alternatives ethanol, biodiesel, electricity from wind and solar energy.
All these clean energy jobs are good for the environment, renewable and provides jobs to many Americans and jobs that can not be OUTSOURCED!
js182010 1 year ago
Its been 3 years since this video was posted and we have come along ways since corn ethanol although it is still being used. Scientists have discovered Second Generation Ethanol fuel, fuel that comes from biomass waste, switchgrass, and the most popular algae based ethanol.
I know it may seem confusing when you have both crude oil vs Ethanol but what would you rather have jobs and clean fuel that is produced here in America or pay for oil companies in the middle east for their dirty crude oil.
js182010 1 year ago
Brazil said Monday it was pressing the United States and European Union to open their markets to more ethanol imports, but has yet to reach a deal with either. Brazil has made ethanol one of its key demands in global trade talks, noting that the fuel is taxed at much higher rates than petroleum and that the U.S. considers it the only product outside the scope of World Trade Organization rules .
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Myth #5: Big Corporations Get All Those Ethanol Subsidies, and Taxpayers Get Nothing in Return!
Between 1968 and 2000, oil companies received subsidies of $149.6 billion, compared to ethanol’s paltry $116.6 million. The subsidies alcohol did receive have worked extremely well in bringing maturity to the industry.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
Ethanol is a very good fuel, I have been using it full time for over 3 years. On cold mornings the exhaust has a nice sweet smell to it. Ethanol creates domestic jobs and helps to keep farm economy healthy. Also it creates train loads of cattle feed as a by product.
Rusty1220 1 year ago 2
SCREW THE ENVIRMENT....DITCH YOUR CAR....DRIVE A SCOOTER AND SAVE YOUR MONEY....USE IS TO GO ON VACATION! BY FLYING IN A AIRPLANE AND PULLUTE THE EARTH!
vacationboyvideos 1 year ago
Ethanol is bullshit and I don't doubt for one second that hired agents of the ethanol lobby go out on the Internet to spew propaganda on their shitty product.
If I owned huge corn-growing farms or an ethanol producing company I'd do that.
satancouldkillyounow 1 year ago
Factoid: Americans living near coal-fired power plants are exposed to higher radiation doses than those living near nuclear power plants that meet government regulations.
The amount of thorium contained in coal is about 2.5 times greater than the amount in uranium.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 3
@mikehanoo33 And what does ethanol have to do with coal power plants?
STFU.
satancouldkillyounow 1 year ago
Nuclear is the only clean fuel long term. NG and coal as diesel the short term answer to foreign oil if there is one.
Tinkertom2k6 1 year ago
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mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@Tinkertom2k6 >>>Unlimited clean energy from the vacuum
No dependence on foreign oil from politically unstable areas
No pollution
No dependence on strategically vulnerable centralized power and distribution systems
No radioactive waste disposal problems .America's civilian nuclear technology cost a total of a trillion federal dollars yet delivers less energy than wood.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago
@Tinkertom2k6 Nuclear energy isn't clean per se. But it doesn't admit so-called "greenhouse gasses".
But I do agree with you on your message. Coal works great and is cheap for now. Well designed nuclear plants in certain areas are great as well. If people are concerned about global warming and they are not supporting nuclear power, they're fucking lunatics as there is no alternative as good in this time in history (and making people live in shacks is not an alternative).
satancouldkillyounow 1 year ago
As a central nebraska farmer I deliver corn to any number of local ethanol plants and that chemical denaturant u say is added is northing more than gasoline I kno because my girl is a lab tech at biofuel energy corporation. And as for the smell I think itr smells like ham sandwiches. Just personal opinion but I kinda like it.
tbonesteakandfries24 1 year ago
@tbonesteakandfries24 > I hear ya , and that smell can be intoxicating and deadly , some dumb people even "huff" gasoline for a high kinda like paint , very bad idea though , kills lots of brain cells for that cheap high , but just think how many more Americans could be working legitimate jobs if we had small organic farms growing most of are car fuel like Brazil does , hell we pay farmers not to grow on millions of acres every year here , crazy , lets put are people back to WORK NOW !
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 3
Cancer Alley — "Cancer Alley" is the 80-mile toxic stretch along the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge, where over 100 oil refineries, petrochemical plants, and other industries pollute the air, ground, and water. PVC-plastic production, vinyl manufacturing, and agricultural petrochemical processing are aspects of the world-wide petroleum industry that are often overlooked.One study documented that 80 percent of residents of Cancer Alley have respiratory problems.
mikehanoo33 1 year ago 5
ethanol stinks, literally. I lived in a town with a processing plant. Every summer, the stink would waft through the whole town. The solution, build a higher stack to throw the smell out to rural areas. great. Hydrogen is the way to go IMO.