Εμ τα κεφάλιά σας θέλουν σπάσιμο με τη βαριά, μήπως και έρθει το μυαλό στη θέση του. αν υπάρχει καθόλου μυαλό!!!Αλλά πού....αντιοικουμενιστές, αλλά με πολύ πολύ μεγάλες πλάτες...................................................................................................................
in all due respect to all denominations, the true church is living and can hide in caves, float on water, and even climb into paradise. you guys sit and argue about dead stones when the true church consists of living stones. living stones have feet. dead stones are buildings.
Greek people need to wake up because little by little they are becoming catholics....by changing chalender from old to new, putting chairs in, ecumenism with protestant and catholic heresy....many saints warned us about this....open ur eyes people....let us not be one of those who have eyes but do not see and have ears but cannot hear....we gotta stop the ecumenism!!!
Im Serbian Orthodox and we have the same problem with our new patriarch Irinej beighn an ecumenist like Bartolomey......that is very bad....both of them need to ask God for forgiveness because they do not know what they do.....ecumenism is the most terrible heresy of our time that if we dont stop it will lead us all into hell along with our bishops and patriarch...God forbid.....ecumenism is the seed of freemasonry and the instrument by the west....how can people be so blind....greek people need
1 body has 2lungs yes, but if one begins to do &live in a wrong manner it becomes diseased. The Holy Orthodox Faith has never erred, until listening to Rome's whispers. It is Pat Bart's hope Rome will return Orthodoxy, give up Papal Infallability, Papal Authority, Erroneuos dogmas, and the Filioque.
But persecution has no place in the heart of Orthodoxy. So where's it coming from?
May God, The Holy Trinity Bless, at the Prayers of The Theotokos, Saint Mark of Ephesus, & All His Saints. Amen.
Even the skies were crying that day, as I do now. I pray with all my heart that Orthodoxy will not be torn apart like the western schismatic "church" has been.
I converted from the western churches because Jesus wanted it. The brokenness of what has happened and still happens is not of God. I thatnk God for these men who are new St.Marks. It is no coincidence that Ephesus and Esphigmenou have the same letter at the front of the name.
No "Sister" Churches, just 1 Holy Catholic &Apostolic Faith
Ecumenism is the one world church - the one world religion as spoken of in Revelation. It's the union of communion. They'll give communion to pagans even.
To prior comments: This issue does not concern the slander of religious leaders of Orthodoxy, or any other faction of Christianity, this is about the preservation of the Orthodox faith. Let us focus our energy upon prayer for adaquate understanding. In otherwords, calling the pope the anti-Christ is useless and I promise you, does nothing except spread the gap between faiths and peoples further. If you care to appeal to the doctorine's of God's Love, then I suggest that you take note of this.
Please Patriarch... do not get involved with those who are not repentful. The Catholic doctrine is not holy. When you accept it you are turning away from God's Church.
The Roman Catholic Church has blood in its hands and cannot associate with them.
Such videos evoke many emotions, let us not fall into sin through the passions that are fuelled by these feelings. If you all feel this strongly turn your energy to prayer, right now before you click on another video.
Lord have mercy what is happening to you people. I believe the Catholic Church is in error but to say such things, I am Orthodox and I will die Orthodox but call Catholics satanist? If you wish to win over the west, do so in humble teaching and even more so in LOVE. Would God honor any of this message board? Would he say to you right on i should smite them? If your heart truly is in Christ then your words and actions and intentions would be of Love.
@Nickbully The West is not to be won over, but you are to submit to the authority Christ has given her. Denying her authority over you will keep you from Paradise.
Don't forget the Jasenovac concentration camp in the Catholic-clerical fascist state of Croatia during WWII in which some 600 000 Serbian Orthodox Christians (as well as many Jews and Roma) died. This was because they would not bow to the Roman Catholic antichrist. The Ustashe/Catholic regime in Croatia during WWII shows the hideous illness of Roman Catholicism in it's true colours. Even the SS officers were horrified by the cruelties of the Ustasha, supported by the RC Church.
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
no rome excomunicated us because we refuesed to acknowledge the roman pope as supreme authority. you can see the difference throughout the years, your pope put a statue of buddha on the altar, kissed the koran, worshipped with jews and was blessed by a pagan priestess and your doctrines are far from sound my friend. St. Mark founded the coptic orthodox church between 40-50 AD Thaddeus and Bartholemew founded the armenian, which was the first country to adopt christianity as a state religion.
well in our church our patriarchs dont put idols on the altar, or kiss korans, or get blessed by pagan priestesses or worship with jews, John Paul did these things, we also dont believe unbaptized babies go to hell. LOL we also never made ANYONE kiss our patriarchs feet, or sold indulgences, so much for infallable!
what history books you reading? coptic was founded by St. Mark. your infallable popes are full of pride and arrogance, oh yea and we dont have pedophile priests cause we ARE the true church!
this is another arrogant perversion of scripture. no early church father interpreted this verse this way. it doesnt make sense, if peter was the leader why did everyone side with paul at the council of jerusalem in acts?so much for papal supremacy and infallability. He said this for His church as a whole, so say ALL the early church fathers. and what have we stolen to deserve the title of theives? it was rome whom, historically, stole countless relics through use of force.
@nuduaspiaggia: Your comments demonstrates clearly your erroneous perception of Jesus Christ. For He gave NO POWER to anyone! This false perception, inherent in the heresy of Papism from its very inception, demonstrates that Papism is a political movement to conquer the world. It wears a christian mask only to deceive people. In fact, it is an anti-christian faith, since it changed most of the teachings of the Apostles and of the Church Fathers. It is a big lie!
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@nuduaspiaggia: The Gospels have been interpreted by the Church Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. Before Rome was led to heresy by the Franks (for political reasons, as I have already explained), some popes fell into heresy. This proves that the dogma of infallibility is a joke. Also, in some Ec. Councils, decisions were made without the pope's approval. This proves that the "primacy" of the pope is also a joke. So, you can stick to Papism only if you reject the Tradition before 1054.
The pope's legates, as representatives of the successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ, held primacy at every council. You and the Orthodox must learn to accept the words of Christ. His visible Church has also a visible head in Peter, this does not prevent Christ from being the head of His Church. Heresy from politics is the plague of the East, not the West; you in the East submitted to caesaropapism and required our aid to overcome such heresies as iconoclasm.
@nuduaspiaggia: It is ok to be ignorant and wrong, but insisting on your gross distortions of history and trying so arrogantly to teach others makes you unreasonable, so there is no point continuing this "debate." Apostle Paul says: "Warn a heretic once and warn him for a second time; after that leave him; you should know that he sins and is self-condemned" (Tit. 3:10-11).
@nuduasiaggia: The "orthodox" ecumenists, now under "patriarch" Bartholomew, have already united with the papists, on 7 December 1965, when the excommunications of 1054 were lifted. The True Orthodox Christians, scornfully called "old calendarists" by the ecumenists, will never submit to the "pope," however.
nudua you are truly spiritually sick, come back to the Truth of the Orthodox faith before you loose your life. your pope is not Our Christ. NO man is Christ but Christ himself. Your koran kissing pope is like judas. Who was in the Truth, then fell away, leave her before its to late.
Deceived = unorthodox,
Orthodoxy = The Right Way.
protestants did not brake away from the Holy Orthodox Church but from YOU, that makes you the father of the dividing protestant movement.
The post-Vatican II Roman Church has descended even further to hell. How canb you possibly believe that the pre- and post-Vatican II churches are the same? The Roman Church is a schism from Orthodoxy and has no validity whatsoever. Your ordinations are invalid, your services are mere pantomimes, your clergy are all either gay or paedophiles, or quite often both. Historically, Christians have only ever seen Christ as the One Head of the Church, never the Bishop of Rome. Get that into your head!
@kazd00 It makes you look ridiculous that you adhere to revisionist history. Historians have and continue to show that Orthodoxy is a thirteenth-century invention, a full two hundred years after the Great Schism.
@nuduaspiaggia Capitalizing on the word “catholic”, which at first was used for entirely different purposes, does not exactly prove that Catholicism, as it exists today, was founded by Jesus. You are very well aware of all the things you changed simply because you wanted to focus on secular more than on divine. Yes the word “orthodox” is posterior, not its dogma though. In the very end, who did you secede from?
@kazd00 I was not arguing from the term "Catholic," which the itself is a mark the Orthodox lack since they are divided with no visible head. Your own bishops and theologians have admitted innumerable times that the pope is head of the Church, but refuse to unite to him out of pride. Do not let pride keep you from heaven; of which it is certainly capable. Orthodoxy is only the first kind of Protestantism, because like those sects it protests Christ and His earthly and visible vicar.
@nuduaspiaggia Hahah you are unbelievable. You're practically saying that all the people who are not Catholics will only go to heaven if they recognise that the Pope, a human, is infallible!!! It's not a matter of "pride", it's a matter of faith which some would rather not preserve for a man who gets "elected" in an administrative position for life, dresses himself in gold and pretends to be impeccable.
@kazd00 God doesn't care what some would rather do or not do. The only way to Heaven is through Christ, and His body is the holy Catholic Church. All else is error.
@nuduaspiaggia It’d be interesting if you could enlighten us on the historians you study. Do they write about your deviation from the original preaching? I suppose not.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
If you are Roman Catholic, you shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for 1000 years of its history, during the first millennium WE were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (namely Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is only 1,000 years old.
If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
As a big sinner I feel a bit of a fraud talking about the church but here goes.
It is good to celebrate Easter with the faithful but why celebrate Christmas with the papists, it's like having a foot in both camps, I can't see the point in it.
You are right about the the Russian church, but I use to go to one, but I felt the people were more Soviet than Russian, the children and grandchildren of the people who murdered millions of the faithful. I felt I was amongst the enemies of Christ.
Obviously, a lot of people care. This video is for well-intended people who want to know the Truth. It is not meant for those who have already sold their soul to the Devil. I watched part of the video that you recommended. It is work inspired by the Devil.
-before uniting with catholic church, the byzantine orthodox churches should enter communion with oriental orthodox churches. After Addis Ababa conference, the zeal for this has unfortunately slackened.
-So first, let us think of fillng the rift b/w orthodox churches. only after that does the question of union with catholcs arise.
-Note that the rift due to different attitudes towards Synod of Chalchedon (A. D. 451 ). Please let us work that out.
I disagree. Despite Catholic changes to the Nicene Creed, Catholics are still closer to Orthodox because the Nicene Creed is the statement of our faith.
What wretchedness! What evil. Behold the antichrist as an angel of light brings darkness.if the Roman's want Catholicity, let them honour the holy fathers who honor the holy apostles who wroship in spirit and truth, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
If you accept the Bishop of Rome authority to change the day we celebrate Christmas then you accept his authority and you are no longer Orthodox but Roman Catholic, that is the simple truth, you can't get round it. You don't need to be too clever to figure that one out.
What if your Patriarch/Metropolitan/Synod suddenly decided to accept the Koran or maybe put up a few Buddhas in their churches, would you accept that? Of course not.
Look at the origin of this calendar it comes from a heretic not an Orthodox Saint or Bishop.
The new calendar has corrupted Greek Orthodoxy in the same way that communism has corrupted the Slavic churches, and of course the Romanians are corrupted by both.
"The new calendar has corrupted Orthodoxy the same way that communism has corrupted Slavic churches"
That is like saying Turkish rule corrupted the Orthodox church since the Patriarch has been under the Turks.for the last 500 years. And before Communism, the patriarch was subject to the Tsars (Caesars) The Tsars made a medieval Patriarch Nicodemus who changed the Nicene Creed in Russian, exiled Old Believers, and shut down the Patriarchate in the 18th-20th centuries UNTIL Communism.
"Look at the origin of this calendar it comes from a heretic not an Orthodox Saint or Bishop."
Jo Fowler- if you go over to the New Calender in Greece, will you have Easter on the same day as Catholics? In America we have a western calendar, but celebrate Easter on the same day as in Russia.
@justinisha: As St. Mark of Ephesus points out, all the holy scriptures, all the holy fathers, and all the holy synods teach that we should wall ourselves from heretics, such as "patriarch" Bartholomew. This is the Orthodox way of confronting a heretical bishop. The stance of the Esphigmenites does NOT at all imply hatred toward Mr. Bartholomew.
The Patriarch is being extremely hateful towards Esphigmenou monks. How is THAT Orthodox? The Patriarch promotes union with the Papacy. How is THAT Orthodox?
First NewAgers(Ecumenists) will want to destroy the strongest among us(the monks from Athos)then will try to deal with the others but wont make its plan finished because we are in God's hands and nothing can separate us from Him! +Isus Hristos Nika+
@emekonen: Orthodox Christians do not hate anybody! St. John Chrysostom has taught us to hate the heresies of the heretics, but NOT the heretics themselves! I have good friends who are coptics. They are beautiful people, but refuse to accept the fact that they are in a heresy, anathematized by the 4th Ecumenical Council (and the subsequent ones). So telling you this simple truth does NOT mean that we hate you. We truly love you and want you to be saved by returning to Orthodoxy.
How can their be reunion with the Papal Monarch? They teach the Filioque, the Immaculate conception, and their legalistic doctrines about salvation. They are not Orthodox or Catholic.
for many years i thought that esphigmenou was wrong but after making many research i found that all patriarhate have to return to the old calendar and stop giving respect to the west the west will never respect us but i also refuse that a monastery in mount athos make a split with the church coz we need to be one...god bless all orthodox brother all orthodox monastries and all monks old or new calandrist...greatings from lebanon
@Colts4ever123: Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, since "patriarch" Bartholomew's opinion on religion differs from that of the Apostles and of the Church Fathers, he should resign, be a private individual, and believe whatever he wants. He does NOT have the right to pretend to be Orthodox and at the same time TRAMPLE on Orthodoxy, and, even worse, persecute those who truly believe in Orthodoxy. The believers should break communion with him, thus forcing him to resign.
As much as i agree with you I also know that our Lord is a lord of Forgivenisses if you repent. To Trample on Orthodoxy if we are the truth we need to look at the teachings of our Saviour Jesus Christ.If One is with us how can he be against us? Now understand, I have a problem with an infallable pope.We need to look at all of this from Christs perspective than from the anger in our hearts,because that anger burns in me also.May God bless Esphegimenou
The HEAD OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IS CHRIST NOT ANY PATRAIRCH!!!
stuartsob 9 months ago
Εμ τα κεφάλιά σας θέλουν σπάσιμο με τη βαριά, μήπως και έρθει το μυαλό στη θέση του. αν υπάρχει καθόλου μυαλό!!!Αλλά πού....αντιοικουμενιστές, αλλά με πολύ πολύ μεγάλες πλάτες...................................................................................................................
aenaos26 11 months ago
Mia zoe the greeks trogonde!!! they will never move forward,what a shame!!!
madgreek68 1 year ago
in all due respect to all denominations, the true church is living and can hide in caves, float on water, and even climb into paradise. you guys sit and argue about dead stones when the true church consists of living stones. living stones have feet. dead stones are buildings.
allrza 1 year ago
Greek people need to wake up because little by little they are becoming catholics....by changing chalender from old to new, putting chairs in, ecumenism with protestant and catholic heresy....many saints warned us about this....open ur eyes people....let us not be one of those who have eyes but do not see and have ears but cannot hear....we gotta stop the ecumenism!!!
srpskiheroi 1 year ago 4
Im Serbian Orthodox and we have the same problem with our new patriarch Irinej beighn an ecumenist like Bartolomey......that is very bad....both of them need to ask God for forgiveness because they do not know what they do.....ecumenism is the most terrible heresy of our time that if we dont stop it will lead us all into hell along with our bishops and patriarch...God forbid.....ecumenism is the seed of freemasonry and the instrument by the west....how can people be so blind....greek people need
srpskiheroi 1 year ago
1 body has 2lungs yes, but if one begins to do &live in a wrong manner it becomes diseased. The Holy Orthodox Faith has never erred, until listening to Rome's whispers. It is Pat Bart's hope Rome will return Orthodoxy, give up Papal Infallability, Papal Authority, Erroneuos dogmas, and the Filioque.
But persecution has no place in the heart of Orthodoxy. So where's it coming from?
May God, The Holy Trinity Bless, at the Prayers of The Theotokos, Saint Mark of Ephesus, & All His Saints. Amen.
katherine3486 1 year ago
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katherine3486 1 year ago
Even the skies were crying that day, as I do now. I pray with all my heart that Orthodoxy will not be torn apart like the western schismatic "church" has been.
I converted from the western churches because Jesus wanted it. The brokenness of what has happened and still happens is not of God. I thatnk God for these men who are new St.Marks. It is no coincidence that Ephesus and Esphigmenou have the same letter at the front of the name.
No "Sister" Churches, just 1 Holy Catholic &Apostolic Faith
katherine3486 1 year ago
Ecumenism is the one world church - the one world religion as spoken of in Revelation. It's the union of communion. They'll give communion to pagans even.
DaddyMoreBucksTV 1 year ago
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To prior comments: This issue does not concern the slander of religious leaders of Orthodoxy, or any other faction of Christianity, this is about the preservation of the Orthodox faith. Let us focus our energy upon prayer for adaquate understanding. In otherwords, calling the pope the anti-Christ is useless and I promise you, does nothing except spread the gap between faiths and peoples further. If you care to appeal to the doctorine's of God's Love, then I suggest that you take note of this.
nikosd 1 year ago
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nikosd 1 year ago
Please Patriarch... do not get involved with those who are not repentful. The Catholic doctrine is not holy. When you accept it you are turning away from God's Church.
The Roman Catholic Church has blood in its hands and cannot associate with them.
marcosdeabreu10 1 year ago
all the way orthodox ..all the way spiritualism
dlteodorian 1 year ago
if the world cant get along then may God have mercy on only those who can get along and live in peace!
BeAnEarthNut 1 year ago
Such videos evoke many emotions, let us not fall into sin through the passions that are fuelled by these feelings. If you all feel this strongly turn your energy to prayer, right now before you click on another video.
orthodoxstephen 1 year ago 2
Lord have mercy what is happening to you people. I believe the Catholic Church is in error but to say such things, I am Orthodox and I will die Orthodox but call Catholics satanist? If you wish to win over the west, do so in humble teaching and even more so in LOVE. Would God honor any of this message board? Would he say to you right on i should smite them? If your heart truly is in Christ then your words and actions and intentions would be of Love.
Nickbully 1 year ago 6
@Nickbully The West is not to be won over, but you are to submit to the authority Christ has given her. Denying her authority over you will keep you from Paradise.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
The 'persecuted' one persecutes. Do unto others...
OrthodoxPlanet 2 years ago
Catholicism = Satanism
You have killed MILLIONS of people through the ages, in South and North America, i9n Africa, in Asia AND in EUROPE
RETTELLAS 2 years ago
Don't forget the Jasenovac concentration camp in the Catholic-clerical fascist state of Croatia during WWII in which some 600 000 Serbian Orthodox Christians (as well as many Jews and Roma) died. This was because they would not bow to the Roman Catholic antichrist. The Ustashe/Catholic regime in Croatia during WWII shows the hideous illness of Roman Catholicism in it's true colours. Even the SS officers were horrified by the cruelties of the Ustasha, supported by the RC Church.
cuttlefisch 2 years ago
How old is the TRUE Christian (Orthodox) faith?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
banostor 2 years ago
Faulty history banostor. Orthodoxy is a split from Catholicism, the only Church established by God.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
no rome excomunicated us because we refuesed to acknowledge the roman pope as supreme authority. you can see the difference throughout the years, your pope put a statue of buddha on the altar, kissed the koran, worshipped with jews and was blessed by a pagan priestess and your doctrines are far from sound my friend. St. Mark founded the coptic orthodox church between 40-50 AD Thaddeus and Bartholemew founded the armenian, which was the first country to adopt christianity as a state religion.
emekonen 2 years ago
You need to learn some history.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
well in our church our patriarchs dont put idols on the altar, or kiss korans, or get blessed by pagan priestesses or worship with jews, John Paul did these things, we also dont believe unbaptized babies go to hell. LOL we also never made ANYONE kiss our patriarchs feet, or sold indulgences, so much for infallable!
emekonen 2 years ago
Actually, Orthodoxy is still less than 1,000 years old as it was formed in 1054. Catholicism was established by Jesus Christ.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
what history books you reading? coptic was founded by St. Mark. your infallable popes are full of pride and arrogance, oh yea and we dont have pedophile priests cause we ARE the true church!
emekonen 2 years ago
The true arrogance is among the Orthodox who usurp the power Christ gave Peter. The Orthodox are thieves.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
this is another arrogant perversion of scripture. no early church father interpreted this verse this way. it doesnt make sense, if peter was the leader why did everyone side with paul at the council of jerusalem in acts?so much for papal supremacy and infallability. He said this for His church as a whole, so say ALL the early church fathers. and what have we stolen to deserve the title of theives? it was rome whom, historically, stole countless relics through use of force.
emekonen 2 years ago
@nuduaspiaggia: Your comments demonstrates clearly your erroneous perception of Jesus Christ. For He gave NO POWER to anyone! This false perception, inherent in the heresy of Papism from its very inception, demonstrates that Papism is a political movement to conquer the world. It wears a christian mask only to deceive people. In fact, it is an anti-christian faith, since it changed most of the teachings of the Apostles and of the Church Fathers. It is a big lie!
dhatzinik 2 years ago
Dhatzinik,
Your comment demonstrates that you deny the Gospel.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
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@nuduaspiaggia: The Gospels have been interpreted by the Church Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. Before Rome was led to heresy by the Franks (for political reasons, as I have already explained), some popes fell into heresy. This proves that the dogma of infallibility is a joke. Also, in some Ec. Councils, decisions were made without the pope's approval. This proves that the "primacy" of the pope is also a joke. So, you can stick to Papism only if you reject the Tradition before 1054.
dhatzinik 2 years ago
Dhatzinik,
The pope's legates, as representatives of the successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ, held primacy at every council. You and the Orthodox must learn to accept the words of Christ. His visible Church has also a visible head in Peter, this does not prevent Christ from being the head of His Church. Heresy from politics is the plague of the East, not the West; you in the East submitted to caesaropapism and required our aid to overcome such heresies as iconoclasm.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
@nuduaspiaggia: It is ok to be ignorant and wrong, but insisting on your gross distortions of history and trying so arrogantly to teach others makes you unreasonable, so there is no point continuing this "debate." Apostle Paul says: "Warn a heretic once and warn him for a second time; after that leave him; you should know that he sins and is self-condemned" (Tit. 3:10-11).
dhatzinik 2 years ago
Dhatzinik,
Thanks for telling me about yourself, but it's not okay to be ignorant and wrong. Soon the Orthodox will reunite under the pope.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
@nuduasiaggia: The "orthodox" ecumenists, now under "patriarch" Bartholomew, have already united with the papists, on 7 December 1965, when the excommunications of 1054 were lifted. The True Orthodox Christians, scornfully called "old calendarists" by the ecumenists, will never submit to the "pope," however.
dhatzinik 2 years ago
Dhatzinik,
"The True Orthodox Christians, scornfully called 'old calendarists' by the ecumenists, will never submit to the 'pope,' however."
That is because they will never submit to Christ.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
@nuduaspiaggia: You fail to understand that the "pope" is an enemy of Christ. End of discussion.
dhatzinik 2 years ago
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Dhatzinik,
You fail to understand that the pope is Christ's representative on earth, the visible head of His visible Church.
You are NOT in communion with His holy Catholic Church.
I decide when the discussion ends, not you - schismatic.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
The pope is the antichrist and his mother is the whore of Babylon. It's that simple.
cuttlefisch 2 years ago
Orthodox Saints SAY: DAMN THE POPES, then THEY WILL BRING THE ANTICHRIST
RETTELLAS 2 years ago
nudua you are truly spiritually sick, come back to the Truth of the Orthodox faith before you loose your life. your pope is not Our Christ. NO man is Christ but Christ himself. Your koran kissing pope is like judas. Who was in the Truth, then fell away, leave her before its to late.
Deceived = unorthodox,
Orthodoxy = The Right Way.
protestants did not brake away from the Holy Orthodox Church but from YOU, that makes you the father of the dividing protestant movement.
Like father, like son.
Adonimos 2 years ago
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"Orthodoxy" is caesaropapist heresy.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
Then why you catholic snakes come to the greek orthodox Patriarch every orthodox Easter (Pascha) and take from us the HOLY FIRE?
Why you catholics CAN NEVER get the HOLY FIRE? Because you are frrom SATAN
RETTELLAS 2 years ago
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What is your CREDO satanic Papist?
Do you follow the 7 HOLY APOSTOLIC councils?
No?
YOU ARE SATANIC. The Antichrist sits in Rome, the whore of BABYLON.
RETTELLAS 2 years ago
The post-Vatican II Roman Church has descended even further to hell. How canb you possibly believe that the pre- and post-Vatican II churches are the same? The Roman Church is a schism from Orthodoxy and has no validity whatsoever. Your ordinations are invalid, your services are mere pantomimes, your clergy are all either gay or paedophiles, or quite often both. Historically, Christians have only ever seen Christ as the One Head of the Church, never the Bishop of Rome. Get that into your head!
cuttlefisch 2 years ago
@nuduaspiaggia Catholicism wouldn't exist if not for Orthodoxy. Don't try to mislead people like that, it makes you appear ridiculous.
kazd00 1 year ago
@kazd00 It makes you look ridiculous that you adhere to revisionist history. Historians have and continue to show that Orthodoxy is a thirteenth-century invention, a full two hundred years after the Great Schism.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia Capitalizing on the word “catholic”, which at first was used for entirely different purposes, does not exactly prove that Catholicism, as it exists today, was founded by Jesus. You are very well aware of all the things you changed simply because you wanted to focus on secular more than on divine. Yes the word “orthodox” is posterior, not its dogma though. In the very end, who did you secede from?
kazd00 1 year ago
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nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
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@kazd00 I was not arguing from the term "Catholic," which the itself is a mark the Orthodox lack since they are divided with no visible head. Your own bishops and theologians have admitted innumerable times that the pope is head of the Church, but refuse to unite to him out of pride. Do not let pride keep you from heaven; of which it is certainly capable. Orthodoxy is only the first kind of Protestantism, because like those sects it protests Christ and His earthly and visible vicar.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia Hahah you are unbelievable. You're practically saying that all the people who are not Catholics will only go to heaven if they recognise that the Pope, a human, is infallible!!! It's not a matter of "pride", it's a matter of faith which some would rather not preserve for a man who gets "elected" in an administrative position for life, dresses himself in gold and pretends to be impeccable.
kazd00 1 year ago
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@kazd00 God doesn't care what some would rather do or not do. The only way to Heaven is through Christ, and His body is the holy Catholic Church. All else is error.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia It’d be interesting if you could enlighten us on the historians you study. Do they write about your deviation from the original preaching? I suppose not.
kazd00 1 year ago
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
banostor 2 years ago
If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
banostor 2 years ago
If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
banostor 2 years ago
If you are Roman Catholic, you shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for 1000 years of its history, during the first millennium WE were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (namely Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is only 1,000 years old.
banostor 2 years ago
If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
banostor 2 years ago
As a big sinner I feel a bit of a fraud talking about the church but here goes.
It is good to celebrate Easter with the faithful but why celebrate Christmas with the papists, it's like having a foot in both camps, I can't see the point in it.
You are right about the the Russian church, but I use to go to one, but I felt the people were more Soviet than Russian, the children and grandchildren of the people who murdered millions of the faithful. I felt I was amongst the enemies of Christ.
joaofowler 2 years ago
If you want your problems to end, return to God's own Church, the holy Catholic Church under the See of St. Peter in Rome.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
lol
TonyHatesBaloney 2 years ago
Who cares? It is all made up anyways.
/watch?v=snNHErEbltc
returnthesoapbox 2 years ago
Obviously, a lot of people care. This video is for well-intended people who want to know the Truth. It is not meant for those who have already sold their soul to the Devil. I watched part of the video that you recommended. It is work inspired by the Devil.
dhatzinik 2 years ago
For the notice of orthodox faithful :
-before uniting with catholic church, the byzantine orthodox churches should enter communion with oriental orthodox churches. After Addis Ababa conference, the zeal for this has unfortunately slackened.
-So first, let us think of fillng the rift b/w orthodox churches. only after that does the question of union with catholcs arise.
-Note that the rift due to different attitudes towards Synod of Chalchedon (A. D. 451 ). Please let us work that out.
goodoldbasil 2 years ago
I disagree. Despite Catholic changes to the Nicene Creed, Catholics are still closer to Orthodox because the Nicene Creed is the statement of our faith.
rakovsky 2 years ago
What wretchedness! What evil. Behold the antichrist as an angel of light brings darkness.if the Roman's want Catholicity, let them honour the holy fathers who honor the holy apostles who wroship in spirit and truth, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Rasimoo 2 years ago 2
God bless monks of Athos!!
Shame on you patriarch Batholomew! He becomes more and more agressive.
God, dont let orthodox religion to be union with devils.
miracleplus1 2 years ago 2
Abrenuntias satanae?
adolphonicholas 2 years ago
If you accept the Bishop of Rome authority to change the day we celebrate Christmas then you accept his authority and you are no longer Orthodox but Roman Catholic, that is the simple truth, you can't get round it. You don't need to be too clever to figure that one out.
joaofowler 2 years ago
What if I accept my Patriarch/Metropolitan/Synod's authority to change the day we celebrate Christmas to be the same as the Bishop of Rome's day?
rakovsky 2 years ago
What if your Patriarch/Metropolitan/Synod suddenly decided to accept the Koran or maybe put up a few Buddhas in their churches, would you accept that? Of course not.
Look at the origin of this calendar it comes from a heretic not an Orthodox Saint or Bishop.
The new calendar has corrupted Greek Orthodoxy in the same way that communism has corrupted the Slavic churches, and of course the Romanians are corrupted by both.
Such things can only come from the enemy.
joaofowler 2 years ago
"The new calendar has corrupted Orthodoxy the same way that communism has corrupted Slavic churches"
That is like saying Turkish rule corrupted the Orthodox church since the Patriarch has been under the Turks.for the last 500 years. And before Communism, the patriarch was subject to the Tsars (Caesars) The Tsars made a medieval Patriarch Nicodemus who changed the Nicene Creed in Russian, exiled Old Believers, and shut down the Patriarchate in the 18th-20th centuries UNTIL Communism.
rakovsky 2 years ago
"Look at the origin of this calendar it comes from a heretic not an Orthodox Saint or Bishop."
Jo Fowler- if you go over to the New Calender in Greece, will you have Easter on the same day as Catholics? In America we have a western calendar, but celebrate Easter on the same day as in Russia.
rakovsky 2 years ago
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in this monastery have not ppriesthood but ecumenical patriarch has. LONG LIVE OUR ECUMENICAL PATRIARCH!!!!!!!!!!!
angelosa1980 2 years ago
You are extremely hateful toward the Patriarch - how is THAT Orthodox?
justinisha 2 years ago 10
@justinisha Erm...They want to destroy us. is that not enough ?
niettevragen 1 year ago
@justinisha: As St. Mark of Ephesus points out, all the holy scriptures, all the holy fathers, and all the holy synods teach that we should wall ourselves from heretics, such as "patriarch" Bartholomew. This is the Orthodox way of confronting a heretical bishop. The stance of the Esphigmenites does NOT at all imply hatred toward Mr. Bartholomew.
dhatzinik 1 year ago
@justinisha
The Patriarch is being extremely hateful towards Esphigmenou monks. How is THAT Orthodox? The Patriarch promotes union with the Papacy. How is THAT Orthodox?
mihankhah 1 year ago
this is just wrong! the Bible says and I quote: "The Love Of Christ unites us!"...
bolotax 3 years ago 2
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why are ppl against christian unity?
gothlegion 3 years ago
First NewAgers(Ecumenists) will want to destroy the strongest among us(the monks from Athos)then will try to deal with the others but wont make its plan finished because we are in God's hands and nothing can separate us from Him! +Isus Hristos Nika+
markovulicevic 3 years ago 3
the monks at athos hate us copts which is sad.
emekonen 2 years ago
@emekonen: Orthodox Christians do not hate anybody! St. John Chrysostom has taught us to hate the heresies of the heretics, but NOT the heretics themselves! I have good friends who are coptics. They are beautiful people, but refuse to accept the fact that they are in a heresy, anathematized by the 4th Ecumenical Council (and the subsequent ones). So telling you this simple truth does NOT mean that we hate you. We truly love you and want you to be saved by returning to Orthodoxy.
dhatzinik 2 years ago
How can their be reunion with the Papal Monarch? They teach the Filioque, the Immaculate conception, and their legalistic doctrines about salvation. They are not Orthodox or Catholic.
CatholicandOrthodox 3 years ago 3
they are heretics. go to a catholic church and see how little they respect communion, i seen a woman handling the body. what a joke.
emekonen 2 years ago
for many years i thought that esphigmenou was wrong but after making many research i found that all patriarhate have to return to the old calendar and stop giving respect to the west the west will never respect us but i also refuse that a monastery in mount athos make a split with the church coz we need to be one...god bless all orthodox brother all orthodox monastries and all monks old or new calandrist...greatings from lebanon
wissa383 3 years ago
your right. rome just wants power thats all they have ever cared about.
emekonen 2 years ago
Bothrolomaios einai to pragmatiko tou onoma
BOTHROS
Retelas 3 years ago
sta skata mexri ton laimo diladi o skatoturkos
9erdak1s 3 years ago
they will start to persecute all monasteryes in almost 4 years...a saint prayer told me this...
EndOfTimesS 3 years ago
To the patriarch this is not Cristian behavior
buddistdragon24 3 years ago 2
Evryone is allowed an opinion, you should not be expelled for disagreeing.
Colts4ever123 3 years ago
@Colts4ever123: Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, since "patriarch" Bartholomew's opinion on religion differs from that of the Apostles and of the Church Fathers, he should resign, be a private individual, and believe whatever he wants. He does NOT have the right to pretend to be Orthodox and at the same time TRAMPLE on Orthodoxy, and, even worse, persecute those who truly believe in Orthodoxy. The believers should break communion with him, thus forcing him to resign.
dhatzinik 3 years ago
As much as i agree with you I also know that our Lord is a lord of Forgivenisses if you repent. To Trample on Orthodoxy if we are the truth we need to look at the teachings of our Saviour Jesus Christ.If One is with us how can he be against us? Now understand, I have a problem with an infallable pope.We need to look at all of this from Christs perspective than from the anger in our hearts,because that anger burns in me also.May God bless Esphegimenou
Colts4ever123 3 years ago