Actually it's true that there was a freeze, so I will give you that, but come on, that freeze was more of a political move than anything. What happened after the 10 months? Israel said, screw this, we're going to continue building settlements in the west bank, because clearly the negotiations are taking too long, i.e. it's taking too long for us to get what we want and continue building! Even Obama publicly condemned the fact that Israel didn't extend the freeze while the negotiations continued.
So Sullivan is anti-semitic because he criticized Israel's actions? He's still correct on what he said. Since Netanyahu won't budge on his continued attempt in land grab in the West Bank then how about we stop giving billions of dollars in aid we provide them annually?
@LittleVillage24 I said it once, I will say it a thousand times. He hates because he lied. He lied that our Prime Minister said "Fuck You" instead he implemented a 10 month building freeze of which we only received a "fuck you" from our Arab neighbors.
Keep your 3 billion, it's only 3 percent of our GDP so it wouldn't be a big loss for us. The compromises we have to endure for the money is not worth it on any level.
@finscape If Israel continues its illegal settlements of the West Bank and its Blockade of the Gaza it will lose US financial support.
You say: “Keep your 3 billion, it's only 3 percent of our GDP so it wouldn't be a big loss for us. The compromises we have to endure for the money are not worth it on any level."
You are living in a dream world. Israel does need US financial support. 3% of a nation’s GDP is a HUGE AMOUNT. That support will be gone within a generation.
I don't think Israel should exist. It's too difficult and religion is an unbudging world of bullshit. All those Jewish people should take up citizenship in the United States.
Nothing like a big influx of Jews to raise the nation's IQ.
@3rkid2 I don't think United States should exist, they are too stupid and destructive. And as far as Judaism goes comparatively I'm sure you sir would take the prize as an unbudging bullshiter.
@3rkid2 I see the group that started this unbudging world of bullshit spawned the most nobel prize winners. I know, it would be a horseshit argument to tie the two together. Look into it a little more before you say stupid things like a good thing for the Jews would be for them to move to America.
Correlation does not imply causation. I was talking about Islam more than Judaism. They're both stupid, but one is greatly more stupid. I still think it would be a great move.
@3rkid2 I see, so the Jews having a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes is just a fluke. Dig in a bit. Then you will see that you are just pulling ideas out of your ass.
It is so intersting how FINSCAPE thinks Bill Maher is against isreal, when there are tons of videos on here that say the exact opposite! In fact they call Bill Maher a Zionist! FINSCAPE should watch more episodes of real time. Maher is a huge supporter of ISREAL.
@finscape Probably I am garbage because I found you and your video, How dare u defend some bloodthirsty pedophile bastards when they loose one person, they kill 1000s and 1000s of innocent children just for revenge.
@finscape And you are a piece of rubbish ready to peak u up, U don so much drugs, which been given by ur government, that u can't even understand the common sense anymore.
As usual, someone is upset even with the most basic criticism of Israel's crimes. Not only should Israel halt all of its illegal settlements, it should return to 1967 borders, declare all its nuclear weapons, allow inspections and then full right of return of Palestinians. America should stop all economic support of Israel. We can stop the money to Arab countries too if you like, since they seem to be moving on without us.
@Ponerology thank you for your opinion. I do emphasize the word: opinion.
Once again you've let your hatred for our fair state impede your ability to understand what my point was. Criticize Israel all you like. But when you have to throw lies, I think you've got a problem. Construing a 10 month building freeze as a fuck you is a lie.
@finscape You may want to recheck your facts. Israel is building settlements at a frenetic pace (illegally), bulldozing palestinian homes, turning them into refugees and forcing them out to make way for the nutjob settlers. Fortunately according to most polls taken in Israel, MOST Israelis despise the settler movement and view them as crazies. Btw Israel better act fast, as Ehud Barak pointed out a few weeks ago there is a development occurring that could be "catastrophic for israel", what Barak
@finscape that's not a simple question...that's an IDIOTIC question that fails to meet the standards of a question...you ignored every point I brought up and then a stupid question that deserved no response...that's like you throwing a bunch of facts at me like I threw at you and I respond with.."what, is it because you didn't get enough ice cream today?" STUPID
@Ruffneckization I think it's safe to say that I hit the nail on the head. You hate God and you think by hating Israel you have defeated him. Good luck with that partner.
@finscape Hit what nail on the head? You're just embarrassing yourself, anyone who sees the exchange sees i put forth an argument backed with facts and you responded with a ridiculous question..do you have ANYTHING substantive to say? As I pointed out Israel is illegally and immorally building settlements at a frenetic pace and that the vast majority of israelis themselves despise these settlers who dont serve in the military, live practically for free on stolen land and are generally crazy
@Ruffneckization Illegal under whose jurisdiction? The UN? Ha! Immoral under whose interpretation? Yours? Ha! Check your facts boy, the settelers do go to the army. And your fact that the majority o f Israelis have a problem with the settler movement is true but only because they are trying to do what you are trying to do: defeat God. Again, good luck with that and your consensus.
@finscape (continued) was referring to is a resolution in September that would have the U.N. and the world community formally recognize a palestinian state with west bank, gaza and east Jerusalem as it's territory. Barak warned if this happened, Israel would technically be occupying the land of a sovereign independent state..that's why Peres ran like a maniac to the white house this week to discuss it. Hopefully Barak can topple Netanyahu's lunatic settler gov't & get a peace deal before then
the majority of Americans actually support Israel, Sullivan included. He is simply that he can't support them anymore if they are not even trying for piece. Can you blame him
@pretzelberg his cognitive dissonance is so accute that it has turned him into an igoramus where now he does not know which way is up. Does that help?
Also, call people idiots to their faces and lets see how long you live.
@Cheshirecat55 I guess you and those of the same opinion can say whatever you like, but when a settlement freeze means "fuck you", I highly recommend you checking your truth guages. Because in my humble opinion they are way out of whack.
@Cheshirecat55 Because when you freeze contruction this is a huge burden not only on Israelis but also to Palestinian construction workers. Whether it was enough of a gesture towards "peace" you may debate but to call it a "fuck you"? Come on!
Israel should not claim to be a nation founded on peace, for it was founded upon violence. The Palestinian identity has been torn to shreds. Their country, gone. Their houses, being demolished every day. But nobody cares it seems. As long as Israel keeps labeling anybody against them as anti-Semites, nobody can speak out. You want to be a nation of peace? Then act like it.
“It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama”.
"Jew Haters" -- Anyone who speaks out against Israel's action is labeled as a "Jew Hater". And frankly, I find that completely unfair. It's gotten to the point in America where NO ONE can speak out against Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, or else they're labeled completely irrationally. And that, is just wrong and disgusting.
uhhh no. I'm not a Jew hater, buddy. I like Jewish people. But if you can call me a "Jew Hater" for this, then by using your absolutely ridiculous reason I can call you an "Arab Hater" for supporting the destruction of the Palestinians. You need to work on your reasoning and stop labeling people in such terrible ways, seriously.
@elephantface105 you aren't listening to what I am saying. You are a Jew hater if you agree to these lies that I pointed out. There is no other explanation. If you need to lie in order to criticize, something is awry.
Oh yeah, you're kind of wrong about that too. At first, Israel actually made a firm stance that they will continue their settlements. It was not until they faced extreme worldwide criticism a little later that they decided to freeze. Sooooo yeah, Andrew Sullivan was not lying. And you are wrong.
Oh and by the way, the only way for peace, is if Israel stops invading Palestinian land completely, and for good.
Why is it that any criticism oh the Israeli government (not Jewish people) automatically makes someone an anti-Semite? Many people don't agree with American foreign policy, does that then automatically make them bigots towards American citizens?
@mac3071 when one weighs the imbalance of negative attention Israel receives in contrast to the rest of the world, especially when so many falsehoods are lodged against Israel like the example I give in this video, all coupled with the history of the Jewish people, one gets a bit suspicious.
I completely agree. It's been a tactic of sorts by Israel. Speak out against their actions, and people say you hate Jewish people! And then your argument is thrown in the trash. It's not fair. And I have had the hardest time trying to speak out. Basically, the cries of the Palestinians are being silenced.
@mac3071 Here, here. Intelligent people can distinguish between Jewish people and the STATE/COUNTRY or Israel. Going by the OP's logic, if one were to criticise India, a country that has exactly the same islamic terrorism problem that Israel has, is one then anti-Hindu? Of course not. And it is CHILDISH to even suggest it.
hey finscape, sorry but i have to disagree. although i understand that you love your country and want to protect it, we both know that israel overreacts from time to time.
understanding that your country and palestinians are in a deadly circle of violence, where no one forgives the other side anything would be the first step, but i dont see it coming, i dont see any sign of good will, i fear that the end of all this will be a huge massacre, i wouldnt want to be anyone in israel or palestine.
@kidory86 for the umpteenth time: disagree with Israel's policy all you like, but to lie about it is low class. Andrew Sullivan lied through his teeth. All involved were either too ignorant or hatelful to swallow his lies like this.
Read the bible, it's going to work out just fine because there is no Palestine. Never has been, never will be.
Israel has an incredible inferiority complex considering the amount of blind support they are given by America. Not agreeing with some of israels policies doesn't make you against Israel as a nation, or against jewish people. At all. Pretending it does just creates an inability to have a real conversation about a countries politics and policies.
@finscape what did i lie about? you should probably include that in your response as opposed to a vague attack with no evidence. that sort of makes you look stupid. but considering you posted this video suggesting it was some kind of anti israel rant then you probably aren't too worried about looking dumb. so tell me the blatant lie, and even better, argue it straight off the bat thanks. then we can have a real conversation about it all
@ahabthewhaler stupidity huh? Ever here the psychiatric concept of projection?
I didn't say that you lied. You were speaking of Israel vs. those that criticize Israel. That is what the you meant. But since you're such a freaking genius, I guess you already knew that didn't you.
If Andrew Sullivan wants to criticize Israel he can do so without lying. My claim and the reason why I posted this clip was to show how a lie can be swallowed because of ignorance and hatred.
@finscape ever hear of the psychiatric condition of talkin jiberish? what is the lie that sullivan says? and excuse me for taking "you can't have the real conversation you are after if you blatantly lie. Some degree of honest is required" as an accusation of lying. so youre suggesting the current israeli government has worked towards peace? it is a far right wing government. you can say they momentarily froze building settlements in 2 areas at some point. they havent made a real effort. at all
@ahabthewhaler Andrew Sullivan said that our Prime Minister told Obama "fuck you". This is a lie. We are in the midsts of a 10 month building freeze. So if you think we aren't doing enough, that is your business, but he lied. And that's that.
@finscape Well i think when Biden, the vice-president of the USA , goes on a diplomatic trip to Israel to request a freeze on settlements as a first step towards peace, Netanyahu's response of announcing plans to build more in East Jerusalem can be seen as a fuck you. I think it is quite clear that is what Sullivan was referring to, and I think he was quite correct to say what he said. And that's that.
@ahabthewhaler It's still a huge lie. 1. Jerusalem is not a settlement, it's our capital city. 2. There are many restrictions to build in "east" Jerusalem with or without the freeze. It's just that the particular neighborhood that got Biden upset was just a stones throw away from Jerusalem university, so it got the green light. 3. even by your own logic, someone makes a request of you and you agree to do 90% of that request, can this be construed as a "fuck you"? Hardly not. A lie is a lie
@ahabthewhaler and before you come up with your next inane excuse of how he did not lie, I want you to admit that you hate God. Because that's what it really comes down to with people like you. Tell me that I'm wrong.
@finscape inane excuse? I simply explained the basis for Sullivan's comments, and said i agreed. But to see it come down to me hating god in your mind is quite funny i must say. But before I answer your question, could you by any chance tell me which god it is I am supposed to be hating? Also throw in an explanation about how that connects to your video or my comments. Thanks much cowboy
@ahabthewhaler You already answered the question but just for kicks, I'm speaking of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, same God that 3 billion people of this planet believe and love. My explanation on how this connects because before we get into an argument of semantics I want to know the root of your problem. Because if it is injustice I'm sure there are other places on the globe where injustice reigns much more supreme than in tiny Israel.
@finscape Well I am not religious in any sense so none of that means much to me. Fair enough you believe in a god, fair enough 3 billion people want to believe in a god. Yes, I think my issue with Israel's behaviour is a question about justice, and it is a question I would have for any nation undertaking what I saw to be unjust action. However I don't think it strengthens your argument in any sense to conflate your religious beliefs with a persons comments on a nation state.
@ahabthewhaler I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I'm much more interested in the truth. I'm satisfied with what you gave me. Your fixation with Israel has to do with your relationship with God or lack there of. Otherwise you would choose any number of other nations that are much more unjust than Israel is. Whether consciously or unconsciously you think by pointing out Israel's shortcomings you are in essence proving there is no God. Well, good luck with that.
@finscape - “It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama”.
@townsendjean Who said the universe is a stage so God can see man struggle between good and evil? Who said the Christians are in charge? I'm a Jew. Your quote has no significance to me and my Torah.
@finscape The quote was Richard Feynman’s, a physicist of some renown (as I noted). Christians in charge? Are you serious? In charge of what? ... and who cares?
The agenda on this open discussion board is not solely yours, sorry to say. And whether the quote is “significant” to you is incidental to the gist of the give-and-take commentary where others are involved. You really are full of yourself. How about a little less “me”, and a tad more “we”.
@townsendjean you addressed your comment to me. If you want to open it up to the board then don't have my handle at the beginning of your comment.
The guy might be a great physicist but you can tell he knows squat when it comes to the Jewish Bible.
Most people's take on religion comes from a christian perspective.
The agenda is mine because I get the power to erase any comment I want. I do not do so because I believe in open debate. Don't make me make you the first I censor.
God awareness/delusion/love/hate pays no role in determining human rights (and violations thereof), international law and war crimes etc. You're making mockery of your intellectual / logical narrative by tangling such points to your argumentation.
@utubisti that's just your opinion man. here's my opinion: I have a world recognized document that predates all other agreements that says this land is mind. i've got the deed, i've got the land. with or without god.
@utubisti that's just your opinion man. here's my opinion: I have a world recognized document that predates all other agreements that says this land is mind. i've got the deed, i've got the land. with or without god.
@utubisti And what exactly is this proof of ownership you so carelessly celebrate as "world recognized agreement"?
go to most any hotel (at least the cheap ones) in the united states of america and you'll find the agreement waiting for you in the dresser. more famous than the constitution of united states of america.
@finscape "Sionist" is their real name (from the city of Sion in Switzerland where the Jews wrote their 'Protocole des sages de Sion' in which Askhenaze Jews elaborated their plan to take over Palestine).
Zionist links to the big mythologic lie about Jews establishing a country near the Zion mountain in Judea. But you ate too much of their propaganda to see through I guess.
just got done watching the Netanyahu speech you posted a link to (thanks for that, btw) and I have to say it's a little funny to see (partial) compliance with international law, lasting not even a year, is treated like such a scarifice in Israeli circles. Also please note that illegal settlements in East Jerusalem were not frozen at all, and the announcement that they were being expanded was made when Vice President Biden was in the country pleading for a freeze on Jerusalem settlements.
@liberal4ever you find it funny that people lose millions of dollars, that they have fewer places to live, real estate rises putting a burden on all and not to mention Arab construction workers are bit in the ass as well. do you also find it funny that Arabs make it a point to rid their domains of Jews? you've got some sense of humor pal.
And what do we get for our concessions? Bubkas! The biggest joke is us for trying to comply with your insanity.
@finscape what you call "concessions" the rest of the world calls "following the Geneva Convention", which states clearly- "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." Note how it doesn't make exceptions for occupiers if their real estate markets aren't doing well. If Israel doesn't want to follow the Geneva Convention, then she shouldn't have signed it back in 1951.
@liberal4ever I've got a Sinai Convention that is a few thousand years older than the Geneva Convention and takes precedence in every way.
Let me ask you this, how are we any more or less occupiers in Hevron than we are in Tel Aviv. How come America aren't the occupying power over the Indians? I will concede only one thing, that my own government will not lay claim to the whole world what is already ours and it spawns confussion. For this I do apologize for.
"Though the Middle East is unique, the two sides are there to stay and are going to have to change their ways and learn to live with each other. Neither is going to cease being without a bloody cataclysm. No competing narrative is going to vanquish the other. We need to move on.
It is the Middle East but no, it is not the Middle Ages. These days we should all try to live by a different code, shouldn't we?"
(Tim Franks, BBC mid-east journalist who just resigned, & is a practicing Jew)
@Bobjb999 My narrative will vanquish their narrative because their narrative (the quran) and my narrative (the torah) both say the samething: this land belongs to me. And when Tim Franks wants to stop praciticing and step up to play the game he should come home and really shut his pie hole until he does.
So you can't criticize a nation when they do something wrong? No wait you can, just not Israel. I do not know if what he said is correct, but the incident recently of the Israeli Navy boarding the Turkish ships in international waters was illegal and they should be punished accordingly. I mean they killed innocent civilians and reporters. They should be glad that Turkey did not see it as an act of war as they easily could have.
@finscape As far as I know he isn't lying. Israel may have stopped the building of settlements but they started up again when Biden went for negotiations, practically spitting in his face.
Actually... when Obama initially approached Netanyahu, he refused to permanently freeze settlements. A week or so later, Israel announced a 10-month "partial freeze", and this does not include East Jerusalem in Judea. It also does not halt construction and exempts municipal buildings, synagogues, etc. This can still be viewed as a "fuck you" from Bibi... Sullivan isn't lying, even if you disagree with his descriptive language or his opinion.
@ib1384 Even by your own description which is tenuous, it still by no stretch of the imagination can be construed as a fuck you. This decision was very controversial here in Israel and brought much hardship to many parties in Israel. To turn around and say us making this painful concession was a big fuck you to Obama is flat out a lie. Sullivan is lying. He's also lying about carpet bombing. He was truthful about dyeing his beard, I'll give him that.
-A few of Israeli soldiers are killed by Lebanese Hezbollah(One faction in Lebanon .It doesn't rule the country),a few more soldiers are taken hostage, & the Israel thinks this justifies killing of 1,000+ Lebanese,destroying infrastructure, &dropping cluster bombs (many believe these to be illegal) on civilian areas.
-Hamas Militants fire small rockets into Israel. Less than 10 Israelis are killed.Israel responds, killing 1,400 Palestinians&uses WMD white phosphorus
@Bobjb999 so let that be a lesson to my enemies. Don't fuck with us. Btw, I live in Haifa and I imagine that you never had your city under seige from missile fire for a month's time. Try it. And also, both the 2nd Lebanon war and the Gaza war were fought under a centralist leaning left government. So much for your hawk assessments.
The attacks Sullivan in the video are ridiculous: Netanyahu has not frozen construction in East Jerusalem, the West Bank freezes are a joke as reported by Israeli media such as Haaretz. And whoever edited the video is insane for posting "it was ONLY 1,000" people that were killed in Gaza, even if it were only 10 as with the flotilla, it's still a war crime.
@AndrewMann552 I don't want anyone to die but 1000 people from a population does not make it carpet bombing. Protecting yourself from steel pipe wheeling "activists" does not make a war crime. Haaretz is a far left newspaper, but go ahead and show me where it reported that the settlement freeze was a joke. You can't because you are a joke.
@finscape The Jack Booted THUGS who were lowering themselves on to a boat in International waters. Did this give them the right to shoot bullets at people who were legitimately trying to keep them off their boats? I am Jewish, raised by going to temple, and this is not the Israel I love either.
@AnneSomers someone is beating you with a lead pipe and you have a gun on you. Do you just allow a man to beat you over the head repeatedly? Anne, you really have a problem with thinking things out.
Of course you go to a temple, very nice, I'm sure your knowledge about our people wouldn't fill my left pinky. Really, what you like and don't like about Israel has no relevance whatsoever until you want to take your head out of your ass and understand what it really means to be a Jew.
@AndrewMann552 He said Benjamin Netanyahu refused a construction freeze. This is a lie. Look it up man. That is as facts as facts get. He said Israel carpet bombed Gaza. If that were the case far more than a 1000 from a city of a million would be dead. These are bold faced lies. He's either extremely ignorant or has suffers from overwhelming bias when it comes to Israel.
@finscape It was not a lie and if you knew ANYTHING about Andrew Sullivan, it would be that he has supported Israel in the past, get your facts straight! This video is a huge lie, and he is not yelling.
@AnneSomers of course it was a lie. He said Netanyahu refused to freeze construction and that is 100% not true. How does the notion that Mr. Sullivan used to be a fan of Israel even fit in to the argument? Think things through before you blab your empty words.
Zionists! Stop murdering innocents! Zionists! Stop trying to get the US into a war with Iran! Zionists! Get out of Palestine!
TheSet271 3 months ago
@TheSet271 make me
finscape 3 months ago
Andrew is correct
IncognitoShhh 3 months ago
@IncognitoShhh no problem. so your sister is also your mother.
finscape 3 months ago
@finscape - hm is that american logic?
IncognitoShhh 3 months ago
@IncognitoShhh hey, if you can consider made up shit as facts, so can I.
finscape 3 months ago
@finscape - definitely educated in the states.
IncognitoShhh 3 months ago
@IncognitoShhh you wouldn't know education if it bit you on the ass.
finscape 3 months ago
@finscape - Last time I checked, education could not bite. You really are 3 beers short of a six pack aren't you?
IncognitoShhh 3 months ago
@IncognitoShhh correct, nothing educational ever touched you let alone bit you. and stop stealing my beers.
finscape 3 months ago
Right on ANDREW SULLIVAN!!! He is speaking the truth!
verumdolor 6 months ago
@verumdolor yeah if you consider truth as spewing incorrect information, then I guess he is speaking the truth.
finscape 6 months ago
Actually it's true that there was a freeze, so I will give you that, but come on, that freeze was more of a political move than anything. What happened after the 10 months? Israel said, screw this, we're going to continue building settlements in the west bank, because clearly the negotiations are taking too long, i.e. it's taking too long for us to get what we want and continue building! Even Obama publicly condemned the fact that Israel didn't extend the freeze while the negotiations continued.
eggiex1 7 months ago
Something has not "gone awry in the land of the free"
Just the opposite... Its called freedom of speech.
SlowrThanThe2ndComin 7 months ago
You sir are a douche...
SlowrThanThe2ndComin 7 months ago 2
@SlowrThanThe2ndComin your moma
finscape 7 months ago
So Sullivan is anti-semitic because he criticized Israel's actions? He's still correct on what he said. Since Netanyahu won't budge on his continued attempt in land grab in the West Bank then how about we stop giving billions of dollars in aid we provide them annually?
LittleVillage24 8 months ago
@LittleVillage24 I said it once, I will say it a thousand times. He hates because he lied. He lied that our Prime Minister said "Fuck You" instead he implemented a 10 month building freeze of which we only received a "fuck you" from our Arab neighbors.
Keep your 3 billion, it's only 3 percent of our GDP so it wouldn't be a big loss for us. The compromises we have to endure for the money is not worth it on any level.
finscape 8 months ago
@finscape If Israel continues its illegal settlements of the West Bank and its Blockade of the Gaza it will lose US financial support.
You say: “Keep your 3 billion, it's only 3 percent of our GDP so it wouldn't be a big loss for us. The compromises we have to endure for the money are not worth it on any level."
You are living in a dream world. Israel does need US financial support. 3% of a nation’s GDP is a HUGE AMOUNT. That support will be gone within a generation.
verumdolor 6 months ago
I don't think Israel should exist. It's too difficult and religion is an unbudging world of bullshit. All those Jewish people should take up citizenship in the United States.
Nothing like a big influx of Jews to raise the nation's IQ.
3rkid2 8 months ago
@3rkid2 I don't think United States should exist, they are too stupid and destructive. And as far as Judaism goes comparatively I'm sure you sir would take the prize as an unbudging bullshiter.
finscape 8 months ago
@finscape
Well good golly that was a pathetic horseshit of an argument you provided, son.
3rkid2 8 months ago
@3rkid2 well I guess that means that the Jews aren't as intelligent as you thought.
finscape 8 months ago
@finscape
They don't have to be individually intelligent. Jews as a group still hold a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes.
3rkid2 8 months ago
@3rkid2 I see the group that started this unbudging world of bullshit spawned the most nobel prize winners. I know, it would be a horseshit argument to tie the two together. Look into it a little more before you say stupid things like a good thing for the Jews would be for them to move to America.
finscape 8 months ago
@finscape
Correlation does not imply causation. I was talking about Islam more than Judaism. They're both stupid, but one is greatly more stupid. I still think it would be a great move.
3rkid2 8 months ago
@3rkid2 I see, so the Jews having a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes is just a fluke. Dig in a bit. Then you will see that you are just pulling ideas out of your ass.
finscape 8 months ago
Irgun and Lehi. Israel was founded on terrorism and violence. Your days are numbered if you do not clean up your act.
lalilul3lo 8 months ago
@lalilul3lo bring it
finscape 8 months ago
It is so intersting how FINSCAPE thinks Bill Maher is against isreal, when there are tons of videos on here that say the exact opposite! In fact they call Bill Maher a Zionist! FINSCAPE should watch more episodes of real time. Maher is a huge supporter of ISREAL.
xaulxan13 8 months ago
@xaulxan13 I didn't criticize Bill Maher, I criticized Andrew Sullivan.
finscape 8 months ago
Israel traded the star of david for a nazi swastica...
arvelos76 10 months ago
LOL at least some Ignorant finally defended the truth and the innocent for the first time. LOL
mjale1 10 months ago
@mjale1 you are a real piece of garbage
finscape 10 months ago
@finscape Probably I am garbage because I found you and your video, How dare u defend some bloodthirsty pedophile bastards when they loose one person, they kill 1000s and 1000s of innocent children just for revenge.
mjale1 10 months ago
@mjale1 with that let me make a correction: you are a retarded piece of garbage
finscape 10 months ago
@finscape And you are a piece of rubbish ready to peak u up, U don so much drugs, which been given by ur government, that u can't even understand the common sense anymore.
mjale1 10 months ago
@finscape Israel traded the star of david for a nazi swastica...
arvelos76 10 months ago
@arvelos76 yeah, i bought it on ebay
finscape 10 months ago
As usual, someone is upset even with the most basic criticism of Israel's crimes. Not only should Israel halt all of its illegal settlements, it should return to 1967 borders, declare all its nuclear weapons, allow inspections and then full right of return of Palestinians. America should stop all economic support of Israel. We can stop the money to Arab countries too if you like, since they seem to be moving on without us.
Ponerology 1 year ago
@Ponerology thank you for your opinion. I do emphasize the word: opinion.
Once again you've let your hatred for our fair state impede your ability to understand what my point was. Criticize Israel all you like. But when you have to throw lies, I think you've got a problem. Construing a 10 month building freeze as a fuck you is a lie.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape You may want to recheck your facts. Israel is building settlements at a frenetic pace (illegally), bulldozing palestinian homes, turning them into refugees and forcing them out to make way for the nutjob settlers. Fortunately according to most polls taken in Israel, MOST Israelis despise the settler movement and view them as crazies. Btw Israel better act fast, as Ehud Barak pointed out a few weeks ago there is a development occurring that could be "catastrophic for israel", what Barak
Ruffneckization 11 months ago
@Ruffneckization what compels you to be on the wrong side of history? Is it your hatred for God?
finscape 11 months ago
@finscape what a ridiculously stupid thing to say
Ruffneckization 11 months ago
@Ruffneckization says you Mr. not answering simple questions
finscape 11 months ago
@finscape that's not a simple question...that's an IDIOTIC question that fails to meet the standards of a question...you ignored every point I brought up and then a stupid question that deserved no response...that's like you throwing a bunch of facts at me like I threw at you and I respond with.."what, is it because you didn't get enough ice cream today?" STUPID
Ruffneckization 10 months ago
@Ruffneckization I think it's safe to say that I hit the nail on the head. You hate God and you think by hating Israel you have defeated him. Good luck with that partner.
finscape 10 months ago
@finscape Hit what nail on the head? You're just embarrassing yourself, anyone who sees the exchange sees i put forth an argument backed with facts and you responded with a ridiculous question..do you have ANYTHING substantive to say? As I pointed out Israel is illegally and immorally building settlements at a frenetic pace and that the vast majority of israelis themselves despise these settlers who dont serve in the military, live practically for free on stolen land and are generally crazy
Ruffneckization 10 months ago
@Ruffneckization Illegal under whose jurisdiction? The UN? Ha! Immoral under whose interpretation? Yours? Ha! Check your facts boy, the settelers do go to the army. And your fact that the majority o f Israelis have a problem with the settler movement is true but only because they are trying to do what you are trying to do: defeat God. Again, good luck with that and your consensus.
finscape 10 months ago
@finscape (continued) was referring to is a resolution in September that would have the U.N. and the world community formally recognize a palestinian state with west bank, gaza and east Jerusalem as it's territory. Barak warned if this happened, Israel would technically be occupying the land of a sovereign independent state..that's why Peres ran like a maniac to the white house this week to discuss it. Hopefully Barak can topple Netanyahu's lunatic settler gov't & get a peace deal before then
Ruffneckization 11 months ago
the majority of Americans actually support Israel, Sullivan included. He is simply that he can't support them anymore if they are not even trying for piece. Can you blame him
irishbluejay 1 year ago
the answer is the theory of everything = logic
TheTheoryoflogic 1 year ago
finscape
"This is not ignorance, this is cognitive dissonance."
You don't even know what that means, you idiot.
pretzelberg 1 year ago 7
@pretzelberg his cognitive dissonance is so accute that it has turned him into an igoramus where now he does not know which way is up. Does that help?
Also, call people idiots to their faces and lets see how long you live.
finscape 1 year ago
I want to be clear - what I liked is your pop-up reactions to it, absolutely NOT what Andrew Sullian (whom i usually admire) RT
espinasse93 1 year ago
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If Muslims have the right to build the Mosque at Park51, Jews have the right to build settlements in East Jerusalem.
quemacha 1 year ago
Hate filled Ignoramus? uh, he's right.
Cheshirecat55 1 year ago 15
@Cheshirecat55 I guess you and those of the same opinion can say whatever you like, but when a settlement freeze means "fuck you", I highly recommend you checking your truth guages. Because in my humble opinion they are way out of whack.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape It does mean "fuck you". How can it not?
Cheshirecat55 1 year ago 3
@Cheshirecat55 Because when you freeze contruction this is a huge burden not only on Israelis but also to Palestinian construction workers. Whether it was enough of a gesture towards "peace" you may debate but to call it a "fuck you"? Come on!
finscape 1 year ago
Andrew Sullivan is a piece of crap!!
ridrid96 1 year ago
Israel should not claim to be a nation founded on peace, for it was founded upon violence. The Palestinian identity has been torn to shreds. Their country, gone. Their houses, being demolished every day. But nobody cares it seems. As long as Israel keeps labeling anybody against them as anti-Semites, nobody can speak out. You want to be a nation of peace? Then act like it.
elephantface105 1 year ago 2
@elephantface105 blah blah blah
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
hm, very mature of you.
elephantface105 1 year ago
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elephantface105 1 year ago
@finscape Look up Irgun, Lehi, and Haganah
Cheshirecat55 1 year ago
“It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama”.
... Richard Feynman
townsendjean 1 year ago
@kellum634 well done, you are officially the only voice of reason on this comments section. the rest are just jew haters.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
"Jew Haters" -- Anyone who speaks out against Israel's action is labeled as a "Jew Hater". And frankly, I find that completely unfair. It's gotten to the point in America where NO ONE can speak out against Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, or else they're labeled completely irrationally. And that, is just wrong and disgusting.
elephantface105 1 year ago 33
@elephantface105 for the umpteenth time, criticize all you want but when you lie, a jew hater you are. Andrew Sullivan lied. This is my point.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
uhhh no. I'm not a Jew hater, buddy. I like Jewish people. But if you can call me a "Jew Hater" for this, then by using your absolutely ridiculous reason I can call you an "Arab Hater" for supporting the destruction of the Palestinians. You need to work on your reasoning and stop labeling people in such terrible ways, seriously.
elephantface105 1 year ago
@elephantface105 you aren't listening to what I am saying. You are a Jew hater if you agree to these lies that I pointed out. There is no other explanation. If you need to lie in order to criticize, something is awry.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
Oh yeah, you're kind of wrong about that too. At first, Israel actually made a firm stance that they will continue their settlements. It was not until they faced extreme worldwide criticism a little later that they decided to freeze. Sooooo yeah, Andrew Sullivan was not lying. And you are wrong.
Oh and by the way, the only way for peace, is if Israel stops invading Palestinian land completely, and for good.
elephantface105 1 year ago
Why is it that any criticism oh the Israeli government (not Jewish people) automatically makes someone an anti-Semite? Many people don't agree with American foreign policy, does that then automatically make them bigots towards American citizens?
mac3071 1 year ago 38
@mac3071 when one weighs the imbalance of negative attention Israel receives in contrast to the rest of the world, especially when so many falsehoods are lodged against Israel like the example I give in this video, all coupled with the history of the Jewish people, one gets a bit suspicious.
finscape 1 year ago
@mac3071
I completely agree. It's been a tactic of sorts by Israel. Speak out against their actions, and people say you hate Jewish people! And then your argument is thrown in the trash. It's not fair. And I have had the hardest time trying to speak out. Basically, the cries of the Palestinians are being silenced.
elephantface105 1 year ago
@mac3071 Here, here. Intelligent people can distinguish between Jewish people and the STATE/COUNTRY or Israel. Going by the OP's logic, if one were to criticise India, a country that has exactly the same islamic terrorism problem that Israel has, is one then anti-Hindu? Of course not. And it is CHILDISH to even suggest it.
vibeuk2003 5 months ago
hey finscape, sorry but i have to disagree. although i understand that you love your country and want to protect it, we both know that israel overreacts from time to time.
understanding that your country and palestinians are in a deadly circle of violence, where no one forgives the other side anything would be the first step, but i dont see it coming, i dont see any sign of good will, i fear that the end of all this will be a huge massacre, i wouldnt want to be anyone in israel or palestine.
kidory86 1 year ago
@kidory86 for the umpteenth time: disagree with Israel's policy all you like, but to lie about it is low class. Andrew Sullivan lied through his teeth. All involved were either too ignorant or hatelful to swallow his lies like this.
Read the bible, it's going to work out just fine because there is no Palestine. Never has been, never will be.
finscape 1 year ago
I have a hard time watching videos when someone places captions next to people with what they think they are really saying.
I criticise Israel. I also criticise Iran. I criticise America.
ffsnametaken 1 year ago
Israel has an incredible inferiority complex considering the amount of blind support they are given by America. Not agreeing with some of israels policies doesn't make you against Israel as a nation, or against jewish people. At all. Pretending it does just creates an inability to have a real conversation about a countries politics and policies.
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler you can't have the real conversation you are after if you blatantly lie. Some degree of honest is required.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape what did i lie about? you should probably include that in your response as opposed to a vague attack with no evidence. that sort of makes you look stupid. but considering you posted this video suggesting it was some kind of anti israel rant then you probably aren't too worried about looking dumb. so tell me the blatant lie, and even better, argue it straight off the bat thanks. then we can have a real conversation about it all
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler stupidity huh? Ever here the psychiatric concept of projection?
I didn't say that you lied. You were speaking of Israel vs. those that criticize Israel. That is what the you meant. But since you're such a freaking genius, I guess you already knew that didn't you.
If Andrew Sullivan wants to criticize Israel he can do so without lying. My claim and the reason why I posted this clip was to show how a lie can be swallowed because of ignorance and hatred.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape ever hear of the psychiatric condition of talkin jiberish? what is the lie that sullivan says? and excuse me for taking "you can't have the real conversation you are after if you blatantly lie. Some degree of honest is required" as an accusation of lying. so youre suggesting the current israeli government has worked towards peace? it is a far right wing government. you can say they momentarily froze building settlements in 2 areas at some point. they havent made a real effort. at all
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler Andrew Sullivan said that our Prime Minister told Obama "fuck you". This is a lie. We are in the midsts of a 10 month building freeze. So if you think we aren't doing enough, that is your business, but he lied. And that's that.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape Well i think when Biden, the vice-president of the USA , goes on a diplomatic trip to Israel to request a freeze on settlements as a first step towards peace, Netanyahu's response of announcing plans to build more in East Jerusalem can be seen as a fuck you. I think it is quite clear that is what Sullivan was referring to, and I think he was quite correct to say what he said. And that's that.
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler It's still a huge lie. 1. Jerusalem is not a settlement, it's our capital city. 2. There are many restrictions to build in "east" Jerusalem with or without the freeze. It's just that the particular neighborhood that got Biden upset was just a stones throw away from Jerusalem university, so it got the green light. 3. even by your own logic, someone makes a request of you and you agree to do 90% of that request, can this be construed as a "fuck you"? Hardly not. A lie is a lie
finscape 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler and before you come up with your next inane excuse of how he did not lie, I want you to admit that you hate God. Because that's what it really comes down to with people like you. Tell me that I'm wrong.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape inane excuse? I simply explained the basis for Sullivan's comments, and said i agreed. But to see it come down to me hating god in your mind is quite funny i must say. But before I answer your question, could you by any chance tell me which god it is I am supposed to be hating? Also throw in an explanation about how that connects to your video or my comments. Thanks much cowboy
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler You already answered the question but just for kicks, I'm speaking of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, same God that 3 billion people of this planet believe and love. My explanation on how this connects because before we get into an argument of semantics I want to know the root of your problem. Because if it is injustice I'm sure there are other places on the globe where injustice reigns much more supreme than in tiny Israel.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape Well I am not religious in any sense so none of that means much to me. Fair enough you believe in a god, fair enough 3 billion people want to believe in a god. Yes, I think my issue with Israel's behaviour is a question about justice, and it is a question I would have for any nation undertaking what I saw to be unjust action. However I don't think it strengthens your argument in any sense to conflate your religious beliefs with a persons comments on a nation state.
ahabthewhaler 1 year ago
@ahabthewhaler I'm not trying to win an argument with you. I'm much more interested in the truth. I'm satisfied with what you gave me. Your fixation with Israel has to do with your relationship with God or lack there of. Otherwise you would choose any number of other nations that are much more unjust than Israel is. Whether consciously or unconsciously you think by pointing out Israel's shortcomings you are in essence proving there is no God. Well, good luck with that.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
A question of trivial interest.
To you personally, what would it take to convince you that:
a) you believe in the wrong god, or
b) that god doesn't exist at all?
A thundering declaration from the mountain top? Turning water into wine?
Someone presenting you a scripture as "holy" and other people and scientists hailing it 3000+ years old?
What would constitute to you today (as a rational adult capable of logical thought) evidence of the existence of god? Irrespective of your religion.
utubisti 1 year ago
@utubisti a) there is only one God, the same God that 3 billion people on the planet believe in.
b) you would have to convince me that to hedge my bets that the universe was a random happening. the evidence points otherwise.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape - “It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil — which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama”.
... Richard Feynman
townsendjean 1 year ago
@townsendjean Who said the universe is a stage so God can see man struggle between good and evil? Who said the Christians are in charge? I'm a Jew. Your quote has no significance to me and my Torah.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape The quote was Richard Feynman’s, a physicist of some renown (as I noted). Christians in charge? Are you serious? In charge of what? ... and who cares?
The agenda on this open discussion board is not solely yours, sorry to say. And whether the quote is “significant” to you is incidental to the gist of the give-and-take commentary where others are involved. You really are full of yourself. How about a little less “me”, and a tad more “we”.
townsendjean 1 year ago
@townsendjean you addressed your comment to me. If you want to open it up to the board then don't have my handle at the beginning of your comment.
The guy might be a great physicist but you can tell he knows squat when it comes to the Jewish Bible.
Most people's take on religion comes from a christian perspective.
The agenda is mine because I get the power to erase any comment I want. I do not do so because I believe in open debate. Don't make me make you the first I censor.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape - censor me, you arrogant unlettered myopic asshole!
I'm done with you!
townsendjean 1 year ago
@townsendjean no, I'll keep it, this last comment makes your character (or lack thereof) shine.
If you have any shame, you'll censor yourself.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
God awareness/delusion/love/hate pays no role in determining human rights (and violations thereof), international law and war crimes etc. You're making mockery of your intellectual / logical narrative by tangling such points to your argumentation.
utubisti 1 year ago
@utubisti that's just your opinion man. here's my opinion: I have a world recognized document that predates all other agreements that says this land is mind. i've got the deed, i've got the land. with or without god.
finscape 1 year ago
@utubisti that's just your opinion man. here's my opinion: I have a world recognized document that predates all other agreements that says this land is mind. i've got the deed, i've got the land. with or without god.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape
I take it you mean "this land is mine"? And what exactly is this proof of ownership you so carelessly celebrate as "world recognized agreement"?
utubisti 1 year ago
@utubisti And what exactly is this proof of ownership you so carelessly celebrate as "world recognized agreement"?
go to most any hotel (at least the cheap ones) in the united states of america and you'll find the agreement waiting for you in the dresser. more famous than the constitution of united states of america.
finscape 1 year ago
Bill, you're just a plain sionist, just admit it. Do your coming out !
Your 'facade' atheism doesn't stand the test of your jewish origin.
Which explains the shit you lay on Christians & Muslims whilst keepin Judaism on an altar.
Thank god your show is over, I hope they'll cancel your next season.
henkibilal 1 year ago
@henkibilal you can't even spell zionist. pretty sad.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape "Sionist" is their real name (from the city of Sion in Switzerland where the Jews wrote their 'Protocole des sages de Sion' in which Askhenaze Jews elaborated their plan to take over Palestine).
Zionist links to the big mythologic lie about Jews establishing a country near the Zion mountain in Judea. But you ate too much of their propaganda to see through I guess.
henkibilal 1 year ago
@henkibilal would you like to share some of that crack you are smoking?
finscape 1 year ago
just got done watching the Netanyahu speech you posted a link to (thanks for that, btw) and I have to say it's a little funny to see (partial) compliance with international law, lasting not even a year, is treated like such a scarifice in Israeli circles. Also please note that illegal settlements in East Jerusalem were not frozen at all, and the announcement that they were being expanded was made when Vice President Biden was in the country pleading for a freeze on Jerusalem settlements.
liberal4ever 1 year ago
@liberal4ever you find it funny that people lose millions of dollars, that they have fewer places to live, real estate rises putting a burden on all and not to mention Arab construction workers are bit in the ass as well. do you also find it funny that Arabs make it a point to rid their domains of Jews? you've got some sense of humor pal.
And what do we get for our concessions? Bubkas! The biggest joke is us for trying to comply with your insanity.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape what you call "concessions" the rest of the world calls "following the Geneva Convention", which states clearly- "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." Note how it doesn't make exceptions for occupiers if their real estate markets aren't doing well. If Israel doesn't want to follow the Geneva Convention, then she shouldn't have signed it back in 1951.
liberal4ever 1 year ago
@liberal4ever I've got a Sinai Convention that is a few thousand years older than the Geneva Convention and takes precedence in every way.
Let me ask you this, how are we any more or less occupiers in Hevron than we are in Tel Aviv. How come America aren't the occupying power over the Indians? I will concede only one thing, that my own government will not lay claim to the whole world what is already ours and it spawns confussion. For this I do apologize for.
finscape 1 year ago
"Though the Middle East is unique, the two sides are there to stay and are going to have to change their ways and learn to live with each other. Neither is going to cease being without a bloody cataclysm. No competing narrative is going to vanquish the other. We need to move on.
It is the Middle East but no, it is not the Middle Ages. These days we should all try to live by a different code, shouldn't we?"
(Tim Franks, BBC mid-east journalist who just resigned, & is a practicing Jew)
Bobjb999 1 year ago
@Bobjb999 My narrative will vanquish their narrative because their narrative (the quran) and my narrative (the torah) both say the samething: this land belongs to me. And when Tim Franks wants to stop praciticing and step up to play the game he should come home and really shut his pie hole until he does.
finscape 1 year ago
fuck jews
scum of the earth
doramason 1 year ago
@doramason your mama
finscape 1 year ago
So you can't criticize a nation when they do something wrong? No wait you can, just not Israel. I do not know if what he said is correct, but the incident recently of the Israeli Navy boarding the Turkish ships in international waters was illegal and they should be punished accordingly. I mean they killed innocent civilians and reporters. They should be glad that Turkey did not see it as an act of war as they easily could have.
reanimeviewed 1 year ago
@reanimeviewed why is it that he must lie in order to criticize?
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape As far as I know he isn't lying. Israel may have stopped the building of settlements but they started up again when Biden went for negotiations, practically spitting in his face.
reanimeviewed 1 year ago
Actually... when Obama initially approached Netanyahu, he refused to permanently freeze settlements. A week or so later, Israel announced a 10-month "partial freeze", and this does not include East Jerusalem in Judea. It also does not halt construction and exempts municipal buildings, synagogues, etc. This can still be viewed as a "fuck you" from Bibi... Sullivan isn't lying, even if you disagree with his descriptive language or his opinion.
ib1384 1 year ago
@ib1384 Even by your own description which is tenuous, it still by no stretch of the imagination can be construed as a fuck you. This decision was very controversial here in Israel and brought much hardship to many parties in Israel. To turn around and say us making this painful concession was a big fuck you to Obama is flat out a lie. Sullivan is lying. He's also lying about carpet bombing. He was truthful about dyeing his beard, I'll give him that.
finscape 1 year ago
Israeli hawks' math:
-A few of Israeli soldiers are killed by Lebanese Hezbollah(One faction in Lebanon .It doesn't rule the country),a few more soldiers are taken hostage, & the Israel thinks this justifies killing of 1,000+ Lebanese,destroying infrastructure, &dropping cluster bombs (many believe these to be illegal) on civilian areas.
-Hamas Militants fire small rockets into Israel. Less than 10 Israelis are killed.Israel responds, killing 1,400 Palestinians&uses WMD white phosphorus
X=Y?No
Bobjb999 1 year ago
@Bobjb999 so let that be a lesson to my enemies. Don't fuck with us. Btw, I live in Haifa and I imagine that you never had your city under seige from missile fire for a month's time. Try it. And also, both the 2nd Lebanon war and the Gaza war were fought under a centralist leaning left government. So much for your hawk assessments.
Your math sucks too.
finscape 1 year ago
The attacks Sullivan in the video are ridiculous: Netanyahu has not frozen construction in East Jerusalem, the West Bank freezes are a joke as reported by Israeli media such as Haaretz. And whoever edited the video is insane for posting "it was ONLY 1,000" people that were killed in Gaza, even if it were only 10 as with the flotilla, it's still a war crime.
AndrewMann552 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552 I don't want anyone to die but 1000 people from a population does not make it carpet bombing. Protecting yourself from steel pipe wheeling "activists" does not make a war crime. Haaretz is a far left newspaper, but go ahead and show me where it reported that the settlement freeze was a joke. You can't because you are a joke.
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape The Jack Booted THUGS who were lowering themselves on to a boat in International waters. Did this give them the right to shoot bullets at people who were legitimately trying to keep them off their boats? I am Jewish, raised by going to temple, and this is not the Israel I love either.
AnneSomers 1 year ago
@AnneSomers someone is beating you with a lead pipe and you have a gun on you. Do you just allow a man to beat you over the head repeatedly? Anne, you really have a problem with thinking things out.
Of course you go to a temple, very nice, I'm sure your knowledge about our people wouldn't fill my left pinky. Really, what you like and don't like about Israel has no relevance whatsoever until you want to take your head out of your ass and understand what it really means to be a Jew.
finscape 1 year ago
How is Sullivan hate-filled? He basically said the truth. Someone please discount what he said with FACTS, not just recycled fascist screaming.
AndrewMann552 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552 He said Benjamin Netanyahu refused a construction freeze. This is a lie. Look it up man. That is as facts as facts get. He said Israel carpet bombed Gaza. If that were the case far more than a 1000 from a city of a million would be dead. These are bold faced lies. He's either extremely ignorant or has suffers from overwhelming bias when it comes to Israel.
finscape 1 year ago
@AndrewMann552 click on the red annotation that says OUTRAGEOUS LIE in the middle of the video for your fact
finscape 1 year ago
@finscape It was not a lie and if you knew ANYTHING about Andrew Sullivan, it would be that he has supported Israel in the past, get your facts straight! This video is a huge lie, and he is not yelling.
AnneSomers 1 year ago
@AnneSomers of course it was a lie. He said Netanyahu refused to freeze construction and that is 100% not true. How does the notion that Mr. Sullivan used to be a fan of Israel even fit in to the argument? Think things through before you blab your empty words.
finscape 1 year ago
Does anyone take this faggot seriously? This idiot has the nerve to call himself a conservative? Get a real job limey.
wiesen246 1 year ago