'He who condones the wicked, he who condemns the just are both an abomination to the Lord'...in this case, Notre Dame did both...and other Catholic institutions as well..and yes, Abortion is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance...as is Sodomy, by the way...Thanks Katie for your gracious, loving, intelligent and and firm testimony...
I am prolife 100% and I think everybody is entiled to their opinion, but that doesn't make a wrong, right.... I love that the church stands up for those who can not yet speak or defend themselves....
Do these people even read the bible or did you rewrite it ? Damn this is intense, turning on Nortre Dame. This girl is an idiot by the way. she's entitled to her opinion but my opinion is that she is a misguided young fool. What is it with these freaks who think that everything and everybody around them is evil. The real evil stares back at them every time they look in the mirror. Get a grip catholic church.
Aushawster, the Pope was not in hitler youth. Read most recent news on this. The bishop was reinstated for other reasons and then after that came out and said something so assinine. Abortion will be stopped when everyone sees it for what it is. Have you ever looked at what an abortion really is? I doubt it.
I feel sorry for that girl... she has hardly lived, yet she wants to close her mind to rigorous debate on issues... AT A UNIVERSITY??? Whatever happened to academic independence?
How about you start reading ALL the news and not just conservative propaganda! The pope WAS in the hitler youth. That made a Nazi. And with reinstating that bishop who publicly denied the holocaust suggests maybe he still is a nazi?
Anyway, Although it is a good idea to have zero tolerance for something like drinking and driving. It is faith-tarded to believe abortion will or even should be stopped. The solution is to work together towards ways of reducing abortion
actually i thought the reporter was lame and rude. he had no class, constantly interrupted, and most of what he said didnt make sense. also, that girl is a very highly intelligent young lady who is a born leader and uses her ability for good.
First of all, the issue of abortion has NOTHING to do with racism! Second, Obama supports pro-choice, a woman's right to make a decision about her own body. If a family can make a decision on whether or not they will pull the plug on a dying grandfather, why is this any different? Women get abortions even though illegal, but these are painful and harmful. I'm not saying abortion is right, but if rape, incest, sex. assault, with no real sex. ed...what to do? The moral decision is on the individ.
Abortion is murder. Obama has clearly stated his opinion. Look at youtube videos of him speaking at planned parenthood convention. MIlions of babies are being killed every day. All other numbers of deaths pale in comparison. Why was Obama invited to speak ?
Notre Dame, has not been functioning as a truly Catholic institution for years now anyway. Thanks to Obama a bright light has been shown on the serious defects. Obama clearly says "on this I will not yield and neither will planned parenthood yield" Where are the Academia's living? Certainly not in the real world.
FOX News is going out of their way to promote theocons and their agenda. This is such petty crap that they have to find some pretty twit to do their talking.
I wish they were as enthusiastic as they are now at denouncing those priests when they were abusing little boys. 'Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you'. Get away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:23-24, International Standard Version). This Statement from Jesus is making more sense to me now.
Blessed are the peace makers = Obama, without rancor or venom, spoke straightforwardly about the irreconcillable differences between both sides on abortion, but said at least we CAN: reduce the number of abortions; care for pregnant mothers & promote adoption.
In reply, the level of intolerance by these people is sickening.
the rushie herbert hoover neocons is the obstruction party of NO .. the neocons are mind controlled mega ditto heads ... take jedi knight obama commencement speech ... the meocons will protest it ... because as their leader darth vader ... i mean cheney said ... you are either with us or against us ... there is no in between ... no other way .. that's why they blew up the wtc on 911 .. it is their way or the highway ... and they covered it up .. until explosives was found in the wtc dust samples
NotreDame should no longer fly under the banner of Catholic University. We the Catholics have too much to lose. By tolerance we have infected ourselves. No more the other cheek.The best form of defense is attack. For far too long we have allowed other imbecile Catholic to mislead the Catholic Flocks to the point where we now are radar less. Catholic elected garbage as peloci/biden have been intentionally given prominent position by the evil bastard (obama) to dismantle Catholism at the core.
Obama is a muslim ouot to destroy America by reducing its population through abortion. He is out to give a welcome mat to the muslim his clan to bring down the last remaining predominantly Christian nation and hand it over to the terrorist King of Saudi who we saw him recently bow down to. obama with his supporters- the obamadans will soon join forces with the mohamadans to form a new country The United States of Arseholes
A Dhimmi training school should not be Catholic. Its an outright lie to say otherwise. Jesus said: Render unto caesar that which is caesars. This place has been taken by caesar, let them have it, a Catholic institution it is no longer.
no it is not a win loss thing. the church needs to stop funding this place, its that easy. Let notre dame get federal tax funding. Roman Catholics need to demand the Archdioceses stop funding notre dame. The Catholic church is not led from the US or its laws. the Roman Catholic church remains in the US because followers want it. Fund this school yourself. Also many hospitals are closing because Catholics no longer want to fund their abortions. You pay for it if you like it so much.
seandelgado contrary to your heart felt personal opinion, the overwhelming majority of people believe its about time to find common ground on the abortion issue. That was evident by the near unanimous support of the president at the commencement.
great. you can't debate what I do with my money (although you want to). you force me to pay for partial birth abortions through your taxes, but you can't force me to pay for it through my spirit. I have more representation on this in the church than I do in the government. let notre dame pay its way with taxes not my contributions.
typical. slander and insults because I want to withhold my money from what I don't want to support. Remove notre dame from the catholic register and have it all to yourself, thats all. Many hospitals and adoption centers will loose Catholic funding too due to abortion and gay laws. You pay for it if you want it. Whats the problem? I don't need to insult you, go away, this topic is about Catholic funding for what Catholics believe. now you're saying I should be dead?
do you willingly contribute to fighting the wars in Iraq? If I could withhold money for that I would, I have no control of tax money taken from me. I do have some control of charities I may contribute to, I will contribute to things I support, whats stupid about that?
There WAS a flip over Obama at Georgetown, though he wasn't given an award or honored in any way. However Biden gets an award at Georgetown and there was a flip about that, too. You just need to do a little more digging.
The only change Obama has made is raising inflation and promoting abortion. He is a joke. Go to my page if you want to know why Im saying this and Subscribe. THANKS
Ah yes. I see that you have not matured enough to withhold from immediately sending an unsubstantiated insult upon your opponent. What you don't see is that this issue isn't just about abortions, it's about life itself. If a society forces unwilling physicians to kill not yet born children, imagine how little it values any life, including yours. At the risk of using another analogy, it is a Pandora's box of attacks on all civil liberties.
i agree that this issue is about life itself. that issue being abortion and the dignity of the human person. however, considering this woman and just about everyone she cites in this misguided rant supported John McCain in this election and Bush in the last one, i find it difficult to say that they are defending life, considering Bush put more people to death during his time as governor than anyone else in the Union, it's hard to say that obama's opponents are more pro-life than he is.
And if you make the classic conservative argument that those who take life have lost their right to it, thus making it okay to execute them, you have completely supplanted your argument about the basic dignity of the human person. If someone wants to claim that they are truly pro-life, then they don't vote. Pro-life and anti-abortion aren't the same thing at all. You and the rest of conservative Catholicism need to recognize that.
1. Learn about what the Catholic Church teaches prior to posting such statements.
The Catholic Church's take on the death penalty actually makes sense when you learn WHAT she teaches, WHY and open your eyes to the ineffectiveness of the prison system in developing countries- where I AM FROM.
2. Your opinion about voting is simply your opinion. Catholics are encouraged to involve themselves in matters of the secular world.
3. There is no such thing as a conservative or liberal Catholic. There are simply faithful and unfaithful Catholics. Many Catholics who claim to be claim are simply of the latter variety.
And if not supporting killing people makes me an unfaithful Catholic than so be it. I'm pro-life. I'm not the bad guy here. I am anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, and anti-war. All I'm saying is that it's a double standard because if an honorary degree were to be presented to a Republican President, then the "pro-life" people wouldn't have their panties in an uproar like they do now when, in fact, an honorary degree to a Republican President would present the same problem.
Well, obviously nothing is really gonna change your opinion on those filthy little baby killers. I know what to do here. I'll do the DUMB Catholic thing. I'll place my vote in an election based on only one issue while ignoring all other aspects. Let's vote for people who will keep us in war, increase the number of cases of capital punishment, and do nothing but help people who already have the means to help themselves.
Here's my point that you idiots keep missing: in American politics, there is no voting pro-life. There is only voting anti-abortion, which doesn't mean anything, and I'll tell you why. Republicans have run the White House for 20 of the last 28 years, the Supreme Court is in a Right-Wing headlock, and abortion in the United States was still legal when Obama entered office. As such, using it as a voting guideline is stupid, as is your statement that one cannot be faithful and liberal.
this is not about politics. There is no vote. The Holy Church of the Roman Catholic declares abortion as murder. You can spit on it if you like, you can submerge images of Jesus in urine. You can burn churches and mock its congregation. You can vote your nasty votes. But the fact remains and will always remain, the Holy Roman Catholic Church is against abortion. Jesus said: Render onto caesar that witch is caesars. Take what you believe is yours and be gone.
I've thought about it, and I don't care about Church teaching. It is clear in scripture that it is not our place to condemn and put each other to death. And the ineffectiveness of prison systems in developing countries isn't a good argument. I'm guessing your argument is killing to protect the lives of others. Under that logic, you should also support embryonic stem cell research, which I'm sure you don't.
I think she is an excellent example of the catholic church. I also think it is very interesting that when asked about homosexuality, she immediately starts talking about bishops as a good example of her point. Hhhhmmmm? I love when hutzbat and stupidity come together in one person.
Bush tortures people and makes an unjustified war and the catholic church is silent. Obama works on shutting down Guantanamo and ending the Irak war. But for the catholic church goes against Obama. As if the killing and torturing of islamic infidels is good but the killing of unborn babies is bad.
For anybody wondering their is a 1,000,000 rosary novena to advert Obama's reception. Also their is a petition to Fr.Jenkins the Pres. of the University of ND to uninvite Obama to the University. Fore more info search "Notre Dame Scandel" or "ND response" on your internet search engine.
Please post this message on 10 other videos on this subject. Please tell me if you do.
lol. people like you are so funny. so reactionary. also, love the ad hominem. classic. you should know better, as i've noticed you've called plenty of other people out on their use of logical fallacies. why so rabid (and, may i add, hypocritical)?
also, could you maybe enlighten me as to what you consider "educated"? wait, i know! seminary school? rofl.
oh, i know what it is. i think i've figured it out. you just need to get laid! that would chill you out!
Noone has a problem when Bush speaks at Catholic universities. Why? Bush started a war the pope himself condemned and he supported the death penalty. Are those lives somehow less valuable, or somehow just not worth fighting for? "Pro Life" has to extend to more facets than just abortion.
The Catholic Church does NOT objectively oppose the death penalty.
She regards it as unnecessary in most but not all cases, so she leaves it up to ones prudential judgement.
As the then Cardinal Ratzinger has said, one can be pro death penalty and still be in communion with the Church and so be worthy to receive communion.
The same cannot be said about pro abortionists, as abortion is an INTRINSIC EVIL.
Try learning about what Catholicism teaches before you open your vacuous pie hole.
PS- I do love how sick and twisted liberal loons will campaign to save a serial rapist and paedophile who has destroyed the lives of many innocent people from being executed, but will happily stick a pair of scissors into the skull of an innocent and defenceless baby.
It just goes to show that liberalism is a mental disorder.
I went to 9 years of Catholic schooling you insufferable twat. The Church opposes the death penalty in all cases save when the criminal's threat to society cannot be removed. Pope John Paul II even went farther, saying that in this day in age this is rare if not non-existent. If you support THIS idea of the death penalty then you can still consider yours in communion with the Church.
I, and many other practicing Catholics have too attended Catholic school all our lives, but we were not taught the faith in any detail in school. We had to take outside classes or self teach, so take the I went to Catholic school all my life BS elsewhere.
The Catholic Church sways to opposition of the death penalty, yet it is not an intrinsic evil, nor does being an advocate of the death penalty bar you from receiving communion.
By that logic, shouldn't you refrain from judging an American Catholic issue from a 3rd world Catholic standpoint? And I'm sorry if 3rd world Catholic schools don't teach you about your religion very well, but both of the Catholic schools I went to were very, very good about that. Maybe I am seeing this from a purely western standpoint, but you're seeing it from a purely 3rd-world standpoint, which isn't any better or any worse.
And what part of I was BORN in Africa, yet RAISED within Australia, Malaysia, and Britain do you not understand???
I've been predominantly educated in Australia and the UK- both western countries.
British Catholic schools along with Australian Catholic schools DO NOT teach the faith. And judging from the American Catholics I've spoken to, neither do US Catholic schools.
I am seeing things through a mixed viewpoint.
Fact of the matter is Catholicism is Catholicism- it is universal.
This is ridiculous and way off-topic, and a great deal of that is probably my fault. I'm not trying to say US Catholic schools are better about it, I'm trying to say the ones I personally went to were based on the little information you gave me.
The problem I'm having with your argument is that you're trying to have it both ways. If you truly believe Catholicism is universal, then there's no reason to bring up that your viewpoint is somehow better than mine. Even if it was, it seems irrelevant
Getting back to the original point I failed to adequately make: I just feel as though there's a huge chunk of people within the Church that focuses almost completely on the issues of abortion and stem cell research. I'm not trying to lessen the importance of them, I'm just saying that they're not the only issues that we, as Catholics, should be concerned with. I feel like labeling Obama as "anti-Catholic values" is a little harsh considering his stance on a number of other issues.
These people worship the most blood-thirsty deity in all of human mythology: a god that would murder homosexuals, kill a man's family as part of an asinine bet, drown the innocent, cut the throats of infants, rape young virgins, and on, and on. Give me a break. For their god, abortion is an enjoyable, if lightweight, affair.
I thought about responding to this rationally, but then read your other comments. You are clearly too dumb to be reasoned with, so good riddance. Enjoy the fruits of your neutered and narcotized mind. Live happily until Jesus flies out of the clouds to take you home.
Notre Dames Catholic status should absolutely be rescinded. They don't seem to know what the Church teaches or they don't care. Either way what is wrong is WRONG. They should not get my financial support just because they claim to be Catholic.
No, the 11th commandment is: Thou shalt not talk BS and post faulty statements on a subject which you are lacking knowledge on, as doing so is not beneficial for discourse.
If I went onto an atheist video and posted simmilar things that you have done, in relation to atheism, I'd be torn to shreds verbally.
Notre Dames Catholic status should absolutely be rescinded. It might seem like this is an overreaction, but Notre Dame is known for being very liberal. Many knowledgeable catholics have been saying for years that it is not a catholic institution and I agree.
On a side note, for all the fox haters out there, this was very fair and balanced. It could have used an opposing opinion, but the interview was unbiased.
Catholic Church= Babylon the great, the mother of all prostitutes, perverts, and all of the abominations of the earth.
...And the beast forced everyone, rich and poor, slave and free, great and small, to have a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads==SIGN OF THE CROSS
I have refuted EVERY THING you have written. I understand that you are poorly educated and therefore have not only poor spelling skills but poor reading comprehension, but you really need to educate yourself.
Your foul expletives just confirm what gutter white trash you have shown yourself to be.
In conclusion
1. You have not refuted a SINGLE thing I've said.
2. All of your argument is comprised of strawmen, non sequitir, and red herrings.
once you realize you can't shame one into submission to your demented beliefs, then your real hate and hypocracy comes to the surface.
it has fermented and now i see the fruits of it. you are no more chiristian than lenin, stalin or hitler. your creed is believe as i do or else. you make me sick!
3. Lenin, Stalin and Hitler were all atheists who committed their mass killings by establishing a state void of religious observance.
Pure socialism and communism cannot function with the freedom of religion, because the state is regarded as God. But of course, you don't know any of this as you are semi literate and are ignorant of historical events.
catholicism committed mass killings too, didn't it, or is that a myth in your head?
hitler was catholic, religion functioned within communism, and flourished after it's demise.
semi literate means you have no memory of history. guess who failed on this one arianne. you refuse to remember history, therefore you are bound to repeat it.
Your attempt to improve your spelling is well noted. However, the use of youre is incorrect. You are meant to use the possessive your.
Now, moving on. If youre talking about the Inquisition, that was * not * sanctioned by the Catholic Church herself, but by the Spanish state. As for the Crusades, at least some were defensive wars against Islamic invasion.
Hitler was raised Catholic, but abandoned the faith as YOU did. If you wish to make the claim that he was Catholic when he committed his atrocities, then I can make the claim that you are STILL Catholic, just because you were raised in the faith. Not too logical, is it?
Religion, in particular Catholicism, was PERSECUTED during communism. Churches and religous schools were closed down and Catholics were killed. Take your revisionist history elsewhere.
again typical of catholics, when they have no good answers they try to turn the tables. who said you shamed me? who? just another lie from a habitual liar.
paraphrasing: "anyone can see the only demented and disturbed individual in this debate is me"? oh really, shall we begin to count the disturbed worship you practice. in the name of sanity, let's do it right here and now. let's see just who is the disturbed one.
If David Duke can hold a civil tongue in a public forum, let him speak, that is all that should really be expected of any individual.
Also, regardless of wheather or not he is honored that is the decision of the Dean, or whatever title he possess, which is entirely his decision, with some dissent perhaps understandable if it could be argued against on an intellectual basis.
Rather it's simply an emotional appeal against a platform of the President's that has been demonized.
Please- David Duke is purely racist scum. The man has brought nothing positive to society whatsoever.
Whatever good he may have brought into the world is far overshadowed by his hateful views on people of races, just like Obamas hate for the unborn goes unmitigated by what he has done.
We Catholics do not think that good deeds makes up for evil. Period.
A 2004 statement put out by the USCCB has FORBIDDEN individuals like Obama and David Duke from being HONOURED at Catholic institutions. So no- authority does not fall to the Dean to ignore the precaution of the BISHOPS of the US. That is not how it works within the Catholic Church hierarchy.
Not to mention that If Duke was to so much as to SPEAK at Notre Dame, then all the white liberal loons and blacks would protest and you KNOW full well that this would occur.
The left only has tolerance for those with similar views to theirs.
And before you think it, I am black myself but just see the hypocrisy that exists amongst those who share my skin colour and stupid inconsistent whites.
You assume hate coincides with action, which is a non-necessity. One can hate without acting upon it that is part of what our soceity is based upon, not that it is an ideal way of life.
Further, you apply Obama's feelings on abortion as hate of the unborn, fetus, or whatever you wish to kill it, which itself is without proof. Just as feelings do not dictate action, action does not dictate feelings, IE the necessary evil.
That is something that occurs within their organization and as an outsider to it I don't particularly care for their feelings either way. However, regardless of its status as Catholic University, it is still a university and tolerance for ideas must be accepted otherwise no intellectual or social evolution can occur.
As for the "left only having tolerance for those with similar views", the 'right' is just as guilty of this.
Further, your ancestry has nothing to do with this discussion.
Tolerance is NOT an excuse to allow the most vile people into Catholic Universities to be honoured.
If a paedophile wished to be honoured in a Catholic institution, I have no doubt that vile pigs like yourself would be happy to let it go ahead.
There are always boundaries to tolerance, and Catholics have erected our boundaries on people who abuse the dignity of life, and that includes those who wish to kill the unborn.
Yes, because insulting the opposition obviously proves your point. While you may find tolerance untenable the legal foundations of this society would disagree with you and that is what the concern should be with.
Further, while I cannot oppose that the left as a whole is not purely tolerant, your argument isn't logical in any manner. The left is giving you the choice to not have an abortion while those who want one may should it be feasible.
No one is forcing anything upon you, you don't like it don't have one, you are not morally blameworthy if you are not a participant in the act, one of the few things major moral theories agree upon.
Further unless you can substantiate with evidence your claim about it being commonly said, it's an opinion rather then a fact.
Also, nice assosiating the left with pedophiles given the rights history with that. What matters is an act worthy of being honored is performed, not ones history.
Unfortunately women in the western society are trash. In the 1960s they did away with their bras. Hats off to that!!!! But now we have a delemma ..... everything on them comes off so eseasily....it is like they are on a permanent MS........ And we wonder why the women in the east are gaged and clothed from head to foot. They see the rot of the west and save the plague on their own. And we condemn as Medival!
Obama is a muslim out to destroy America. He operates under the Saudi King who we saw he recently bow and kiss his hand.
By abortion he reduces the American population and give rise to the muslim population who also believes that abortion is wrond and are procreating at a faster pace. And soon America will be conquered and reduced to being slaves to the muslims.
And I touch type at a speed of 45 words per minute, which is quite fast.
Most of what you write is so difficult to read as your punctuation is so bad. There is one thing to misspell the odd word or two, and there is doing what you are doing.
ariaane: Don't darken (no pun intended) my e-mail again... it will only be deleted and unread. Look for me at the protest at ND I'll be the one with the HUGE sign "PRO-CHOICE" on ND commecement day. that would be May 17th in case you forgot...LOLOLOL have a great day!
With you over usage of foul language, I have come to the following conclusion about you:
1. You are not well educated
2. The fury you direct at the Catholic Church stems from matters *other than* the sex abuse scandal, yet you are using this easy issue to justify your disdain for Catholicism as its your easiest bet.
3. You are probably a card carrying supporter of the ACLU who the worlds most popular paedophilia organisation, NAMBLA, so are in fact a (closeted supports) supporter of paedophilia.
Your issue is with priests molesting children, but dont care of the numerous other environments where molestation is more prevalent. So please, stop fooling yourself and come out of the closet and admit yourself to be the child loving sexual deviant I know you are deep down inside.
PS- There is no excuse for the priests who molested children. In fact, I am quite happy that the anti Catholic media exposed the abuse as it saved possibly 10s or hundreds of children from being molested. And for that I am ever thankful.
And those priests who committed such acts are despicable human beings who need to be locked up in jail for life!
What I do note however, is that liberals, who are for the most part the supporters of lowering the age of consent laws so adults can have sex with children who are past the age of puberty, only seem to have an issue with child molestation when it is the Catholic Church who is the perpetrator of the abuse.
Even though school teachers, little league coaches and other adults are MUCH MORE likely to molest children than Catholic priests, according to SECULAR reports, I am yet to come across a person who is angry at the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal express condemnation towards school teachers and coaches who are much more likely to molest children than any other group (apart from family)
It seems to me that many who condemn Catholic priests for molestation are closeted paedophiles, whose issues stem from Catholic priests competing with them for access to children to molest.
This really isnt an instance of ad hominem, but an observation on my part.
Be honest, you have no issue with child molestation- you probably support it! You just have an issue with Catholic priests committing the act, don't you?
The ALL spokesperson fails to explain the difference between Catholic opposition for abortion vs. the death penalty. Abortion has always been opposed by the Catholic Church since the time of the Didache, a document written in the 1st century A.D.,as the killing of an innocent baby. The opposition towards the death penalty is not a doctrinal one: the Church simply feels the death penalty is unnecessary in modern times, but could still be legitimate in certain circumstances.
wntoply6: save your breath, ariaane is a 21 yr old, black virgin girl from the UK and really has NOTHING to say about what happens in the USA no matter what she says. she'll probably warn you like she did me that she's gonna be watching you...LOLOLOL what a joke.
ariaane: shows how much you pay attention, I have explained the difference to you so many times the only conclusion I can come to is you're just ignorant. If someone doesn't agree with the crap you're spewing you get a little too defensive. Could it be you really doubt your own beliefs? Everyone is intitled to an opinion & for the sake of debate your arguement is weak at best. Too many people doubt your facts no matter who you're quoting so get a life yourself. Americans don't need you.
ariaane: your FACTS are the product of BRAINWASHING YOUR WHOLE LIFE. One would not expect anything else from such a youngster. Get some experience IN REAL LIFE then come back and tell me to f*ck off.... you're only problem is stupidity and frankly you are the one making a fool of yourself. BTW did ya see your Dr. no-it-all was arrested yesterday?...LOL for being unlawful... that's what you're following along with all the other nuts surrounding ND.
Are you aware that child molestation in public schools is MUCH MORE common in public schools than in the Catholic Church? (Only 4% of Catholic priests were guilty of the crime of molestation, and some secular experts have surmised that molestation is even up to 100X more prevalent in schools)
Are you aware that public schools also have done wrong to their students by moving accused teachers to different districts, so as to protect their school's reputation?
A Catholic institution sets her own rules, regardless of whether or not the secular world likes it or not.
The same goes for secular institutions setting their own rules, as evident by the fat that many secular universities BANNED GEORGE BUSH from even speaking at their liberal colleges.
The issue here is not that Obama is being invited to SPEAK at Notre Dame, but that he is being HONOURED.
Free speech in Catholic institutions should not be at the expense of undermining the Churchs non negotiable teachings of the Church and our rights in this matter are in fact protected by the constitution.
Actually, I have to agree with dacatholic on this one. The outcry is not about whether people should have the right to speak their mind, it's a fundamental of Catholic doctrine. Having Obama speak at Notre Dame would be like having Hitler speak at a Jewish school- and not to say that Obama is Hitler, but the contrast (though perhaps not the comparison) is similar.
Well, clearly I can't help my tax dollars from going to the government, that is one reason I am so concerned about where the rest of my money goes. I thought a lot before typing this, thanks for the advice. I will not be responding to you anymore, you are just full of hate and trying to make me full of hate too.
listen channy, it's you who's full of hate! it wasn't me who said obama should be banned from speaking at your "oh so precious catholic school". do you really think notre dame teaches intolerance, as you believe?
i'm not full of hate, i'm full of outrage that there are wingnuts like you who reside here in america!
are you telling me by pointing out intolerant, ignorant bigoted haters i'm the hater? think again honey. it's people like you bachmann & now foxx who's intolerance is appaling.
You are the hater here because you don't have respect for an unborn defenseless child who has a soul who is created in the likeness and image of God just like you are. But maybe you are so full of self hate that you don't respect your own life and therefor can't respect other lives of the most vulnerable in our soceity. Wake up you walking dead to your big fat ass lie and promotion of death by you indifference to laws that are innately and intrinsically evil!!!!!
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
the catholic church which says abortion is "an intrinsic evil of all time" is just stating what they believe...it is in no way proven fact.
the fact people place total belief in a church who adamently protected child molesters & totally disregarded how they were ruining 1,000's children's lives is the biggest intrinsic evel of all time. that's not bullshit, that my dear woman is fact.
tell me lady, does hypocracy & stupidity fun in your family, or did you bishop have to brainwash you?
This woman understands her beliefs. And you're insulting her. If the church was successful in hypnotism, then Pelosi would be a nun. If you are abusive towards our beliefs, than you don't understand them. Read a book. Theology of the Body, Rome Sweet Home, Confessions. Don't blame the evils of a few bishops on the reputation of the Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II never felt so much pain in his life,to know that members of his clergy were hurting children.He met personally with the families.
please then don't insult me with such bullshit. i was raised catholic, i saw what it did to me and other children, how harmful and full of lies the church was and still is to this day.
because you prefer to stay in darkness, well memy, that's your problem.
but also, this IS america. it is not only my right, but also my duty to expose bastards and liars with wrong ideas/thoughts/beliefs WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
Again, I ask you to improve your grammar and spelling because much of what you write is illegible.
Now moving on: It is solely YOUR OPINION that Catholicism is wrong.
I was raised happily Catholic, yet have been exposed to secularism, and have come to my conclusion that secularism alone, is harmful to the development of children as it has no foundation in any objective morality.
All truth is relative, according to secularists, so even support of paedophilia can be argued and defended from a strictly secular viewpoint.
This is in fact the case with many liberal authors and even the APA trying to mitigate the harm of paedophilia on children- yes I said it- there are many liberal secularists who are pushing to lower the Age of Consent Laws.
But of course, this doesnt bother you because in this case, those who are attempting to abuse children are not Catholic priests...
As you are entitled to freedom of speech as per the Constitution, so are theists, which include Catholics- as Freedom of religion is stated within the constitution.
What you are advocating is the opposite of a theocracy- you wish to IMPOSE your subjective secular viewpoints upon others who have the RIGHT to think differently from you.
Feel free to do that, because there will be many, like me, exposing you so the semi literate peasants such as yourself, whose viewpoints have the potential to do much more harm then good.
All in all, you simply exemplify how BIGOTRY, RACISM and INTOLERANCE are prevalent within secular non theist circles. So thank you for reaffirming what I and many others here have come to know.
PS- I *urgently* you suggest you return to school so you can learn how to spell adequately.
you're wrong, it is not solely my opinion, there are millions, perhaps billions of people who think catholicism is wrong (what a goddamned stupid statement you made).
that secularism is harmful is only YOUR OPINION. the fact you can't raise good children without hateful catholicism is your fault, not the fault of secularists.
when you stop lying about secularists, then we can have a meaningful conversation, but to out and out lie to support your bullshit is insulting, to your intelligence.
And there are over 1 billion Catholics + millions that comprise the Orthodox Churches which are VERY similar in teaching with the Catholic Church who have an opinion different from yours.
But numbers are all irrelevant as truth is not dependent on majority consensus, as you are intimating.
If truth was dependent on majority consensus, then it can be argued that African chattel slavery was moral 100 years as the majority of Caucasians felt it so.
I have told no lies about secularism but have correctly stated that secularism denounces the existence of *absolute truths* and so acts such as paedophilia can and * is * being legitimately supported using secular logic by liberals.
Do a google search for liberal + books + support paedophilia, if you dont believe me.
The truth is hard to digest, I know. But your worldview is so undeveloped and illogical, as proven by your great inability to express yourself adequately.
PS- The western countries that have embraced secularism so greatly coincidently are the countries where there has been the greatest conversions to Islam by the white indigenous population. White women, in fact, are the largest converters to Islam.
Seeing as you believe Catholicism is so hateful, I take it Islam must be a breath of fresh air to you? [laugh]
you talk about truth, what truth do you know for certainty with regard to the catholic church? you ONLY HAVE BELIEF in your FAITH, you don't have truth! if you have truth, arianne, PROVE IT. if you can't prove it, i suggest you shut the hell up right now!
and oh how you misjudge me (oh a catholic judging...hmm how ironic) as to hatred. what i hate are "holier than thou" PEOPLE like you who think they have the answers, but are hypocritical both in their religion & in the practice of it!
For one, we are the longest standing institution and our values, when actually lived out, has lead to a decrease in HIV/AIDS in African countries like Uganda by relying on the Churchs message of abstinence and monogamy.
Uganda has seen its HIV/AIDs rate fall from double figures to 6%, whereas countries like South Africa which rely on condoms alone to decrease their HIV/AIDs rate is seeing an ever creasing rate of infection.
Even the Harvard Researcher, Mr A Green, came out in support of the Popes statement that condoms were aggravating the HIV situation in Africa.
The Churchs position on artificial contracepton has been vindicated by science, not only from the Harvard researcher, but by numerous science journals which have confirmed that condoms have NOT lowered the rate of HIV/AIDs in Africa.
This is just one example of the Church holding the truth in regards to disease prevention, as proven by statistics
You simply make allegations of lying but dont BACK UP any of what you say.
You really are a bad communicator and debater, and Ill fathom a guess that youve swayed no one with your arguments.
Not to mention that your spelling and grammar still remains atrocious. You do not represent the semi intelligent atheist youtubers, of which there are some.
PS- Look past the last couple of pages and you will see that it is YOU who has done all or most of the judging- you simply are projecting.
Judging is not against Catholic teaching. Good judgement is encouraged, and it is in fact a spiritual work of mercy that we instruct the Ignorant. And you appear to be very ignorant indeed.
oh shit, i can't wait for you to do nothing but criticize the fact i misspelled enact. that will probably be your only criticism because the rest of your crap is bullshit.
'He who condones the wicked, he who condemns the just are both an abomination to the Lord'...in this case, Notre Dame did both...and other Catholic institutions as well..and yes, Abortion is one of the four sins that cry to heaven for vengeance...as is Sodomy, by the way...Thanks Katie for your gracious, loving, intelligent and and firm testimony...
mcyrus 2 years ago
I am prolife 100% and I think everybody is entiled to their opinion, but that doesn't make a wrong, right.... I love that the church stands up for those who can not yet speak or defend themselves....
bluemist1104 2 years ago
OMG! Obama is Pro Abortion????? Sorry! I didnt know that!
johnwest360 2 years ago
Do these people even read the bible or did you rewrite it ? Damn this is intense, turning on Nortre Dame. This girl is an idiot by the way. she's entitled to her opinion but my opinion is that she is a misguided young fool. What is it with these freaks who think that everything and everybody around them is evil. The real evil stares back at them every time they look in the mirror. Get a grip catholic church.
BTRUTLE 2 years ago
Katie is much more beautiful in person, and yes, I would know.
JMMoosey 2 years ago 2
Nope Aushawster, you still have it wrong. You are really not doing your homework. Still sticking with the "old" unupdated news makes you look silly.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
Aushawster, the Pope was not in hitler youth. Read most recent news on this. The bishop was reinstated for other reasons and then after that came out and said something so assinine. Abortion will be stopped when everyone sees it for what it is. Have you ever looked at what an abortion really is? I doubt it.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
Not only do Christians cherry pick 'truths' out of the bible, they obviously do it with the news too.
LOL
This kid was not aborted
"Father bit an eyeball out of his 4-year-old son's face"
AuShawster 2 years ago
Does the pope shit in the woods?
The reply button is on the right>>>>>>>>>>
AuShawster 2 years ago
"Ratzinger was enrolled in the Hitler Youth, "
OK you got me, the pope was NOT in the Hitler youth it Joseph Ratzinger
My mistake.
LOL
AuShawster 2 years ago
Obama isn't pro choice himself he jest states that everyone should have there own choice and do what they want. WHAT ABOUT US CATHOLICS?!?
we need freedom too! catholic pro-life doctors are Forced to do abortions whether we want to or not.!
Were is the "choice" in that!!? ??!
Steelersfan777654 2 years ago
I feel sorry for that girl... she has hardly lived, yet she wants to close her mind to rigorous debate on issues... AT A UNIVERSITY??? Whatever happened to academic independence?
jwul004 2 years ago 2
The Pope was never a Nazi. Read the news.
Obama supports ABORTION and INFANTICIDE. His voting record has proven this. NO one has the right to choose to kill another person.
Was the holocaust acceptable.? We can't just stand by with the present genocide happening.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
How about you start reading ALL the news and not just conservative propaganda! The pope WAS in the hitler youth. That made a Nazi. And with reinstating that bishop who publicly denied the holocaust suggests maybe he still is a nazi?
Anyway, Although it is a good idea to have zero tolerance for something like drinking and driving. It is faith-tarded to believe abortion will or even should be stopped. The solution is to work together towards ways of reducing abortion
AuShawster 2 years ago
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shootcocacola73 2 years ago
actually i thought the reporter was lame and rude. he had no class, constantly interrupted, and most of what he said didnt make sense. also, that girl is a very highly intelligent young lady who is a born leader and uses her ability for good.
ktaffan 2 years ago
I wonder what church teachings say about having a former Nazi as the pope....hmmm..........
Nancysissypants 2 years ago
Obama says he supports finding a "middle ground" on abortion.
In reality he supports a FREE FIRE ZONE.
In his case, pre-born humans, instead of Vietnamese people, are the targets.
ANY preborn, at any stage, can be aborted for no reason, with no questions asked.
BTW, would Obama seek a "middle ground" on racism?
eksdem 2 years ago
First of all, the issue of abortion has NOTHING to do with racism! Second, Obama supports pro-choice, a woman's right to make a decision about her own body. If a family can make a decision on whether or not they will pull the plug on a dying grandfather, why is this any different? Women get abortions even though illegal, but these are painful and harmful. I'm not saying abortion is right, but if rape, incest, sex. assault, with no real sex. ed...what to do? The moral decision is on the individ.
asahikaru 2 years ago
Abortion is murder. Obama has clearly stated his opinion. Look at youtube videos of him speaking at planned parenthood convention. MIlions of babies are being killed every day. All other numbers of deaths pale in comparison. Why was Obama invited to speak ?
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
Notre Dame, has not been functioning as a truly Catholic institution for years now anyway. Thanks to Obama a bright light has been shown on the serious defects. Obama clearly says "on this I will not yield and neither will planned parenthood yield" Where are the Academia's living? Certainly not in the real world.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
FOX News is going out of their way to promote theocons and their agenda. This is such petty crap that they have to find some pretty twit to do their talking.
jakefree25 2 years ago
i agree cut off notre dame
girlytubegirl 2 years ago
I wish they were as enthusiastic as they are now at denouncing those priests when they were abusing little boys. 'Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you'. Get away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:23-24, International Standard Version). This Statement from Jesus is making more sense to me now.
JimmyTheMatrix 2 years ago
Blessed are the peace makers = Obama, without rancor or venom, spoke straightforwardly about the irreconcillable differences between both sides on abortion, but said at least we CAN: reduce the number of abortions; care for pregnant mothers & promote adoption.
In reply, the level of intolerance by these people is sickening.
speedoflite1 2 years ago
Strip the title. No more Catholic money for Notre Dame.
Catholic Students should go to real Catholic Universities, like Ave Maria, Christendom and Magdalena. Forget Notre Dame.
Tolyasooo 2 years ago
Why not move back to the Vatican and spare us all your medieval nausea
jakefree25 2 years ago
whatever happen to the child molesters "The Rev Fathers" in the catholic church??
yonex1us 2 years ago
they went to jail
girlytubegirl 2 years ago
the rushie herbert hoover neocons is the obstruction party of NO .. the neocons are mind controlled mega ditto heads ... take jedi knight obama commencement speech ... the meocons will protest it ... because as their leader darth vader ... i mean cheney said ... you are either with us or against us ... there is no in between ... no other way .. that's why they blew up the wtc on 911 .. it is their way or the highway ... and they covered it up .. until explosives was found in the wtc dust samples
AgnesBojaxhiu2000 2 years ago
NotreDame should no longer fly under the banner of Catholic University. We the Catholics have too much to lose. By tolerance we have infected ourselves. No more the other cheek.The best form of defense is attack. For far too long we have allowed other imbecile Catholic to mislead the Catholic Flocks to the point where we now are radar less. Catholic elected garbage as peloci/biden have been intentionally given prominent position by the evil bastard (obama) to dismantle Catholism at the core.
ravagesavage 2 years ago
Obama is a muslim ouot to destroy America by reducing its population through abortion. He is out to give a welcome mat to the muslim his clan to bring down the last remaining predominantly Christian nation and hand it over to the terrorist King of Saudi who we saw him recently bow down to. obama with his supporters- the obamadans will soon join forces with the mohamadans to form a new country The United States of Arseholes
ravagesavage 2 years ago
A Dhimmi training school should not be Catholic. Its an outright lie to say otherwise. Jesus said: Render unto caesar that which is caesars. This place has been taken by caesar, let them have it, a Catholic institution it is no longer.
seandelgado 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
this is just the beginning of his divisive actions. watch and see.
BBQkrewe 2 years ago
Reading the text, according to Faux, the clear majority of Alumni are opposed to the Pres. where the clear majority of students support Obama
There is no doubt the catholic church is beginning to fail in the US.
I guess we can expect to see lot of noise from you as you begin to realize you are loosing?
AuShawster 2 years ago
no it is not a win loss thing. the church needs to stop funding this place, its that easy. Let notre dame get federal tax funding. Roman Catholics need to demand the Archdioceses stop funding notre dame. The Catholic church is not led from the US or its laws. the Roman Catholic church remains in the US because followers want it. Fund this school yourself. Also many hospitals are closing because Catholics no longer want to fund their abortions. You pay for it if you like it so much.
seandelgado 2 years ago
seandelgado contrary to your heart felt personal opinion, the overwhelming majority of people believe its about time to find common ground on the abortion issue. That was evident by the near unanimous support of the president at the commencement.
AuShawster 2 years ago
great. you can't debate what I do with my money (although you want to). you force me to pay for partial birth abortions through your taxes, but you can't force me to pay for it through my spirit. I have more representation on this in the church than I do in the government. let notre dame pay its way with taxes not my contributions.
seandelgado 2 years ago
I am not going to debate with you at all
I really do not mean this but sometimes I like to tell zealot anti-abortionists that it is too bad they were not aborted.
AuShawster 2 years ago
typical. slander and insults because I want to withhold my money from what I don't want to support. Remove notre dame from the catholic register and have it all to yourself, thats all. Many hospitals and adoption centers will loose Catholic funding too due to abortion and gay laws. You pay for it if you want it. Whats the problem? I don't need to insult you, go away, this topic is about Catholic funding for what Catholics believe. now you're saying I should be dead?
seandelgado 2 years ago
Some Catholics believe some stupid shit.
AuShawster 2 years ago
do you willingly contribute to fighting the wars in Iraq? If I could withhold money for that I would, I have no control of tax money taken from me. I do have some control of charities I may contribute to, I will contribute to things I support, whats stupid about that?
seandelgado 2 years ago
Did you happen to hear this one? Its even better then the pope condemning the use of condoms in Aids ridden Africa?
This is Catholic extremism at its best!
Brazil rocked by abortion for 9-year-old rape victim
Church excommunicates mother and doctors but not accused rapist < no shit, Google it!
AuShawster 2 years ago
Why isn't there a big flip over Obama's speaking at Georgetown? They are a Catholic College too
Obama should not come if it is causing the univeristy so much trouble or the invitation should be revoked
veck4 2 years ago
There WAS a flip over Obama at Georgetown, though he wasn't given an award or honored in any way. However Biden gets an award at Georgetown and there was a flip about that, too. You just need to do a little more digging.
CrankyCatholic 2 years ago
The only change Obama has made is raising inflation and promoting abortion. He is a joke. Go to my page if you want to know why Im saying this and Subscribe. THANKS
daltongang79 2 years ago
I love the blanket terms they use
"hes against FAMILY, LIFE, GOOD, FUZZY KITTENS"
WONT ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
ristoril 2 years ago
Ahhhh yes. Another stupid Catholic who is pro-life...just as long it's microscopic.
frams12 2 years ago
Frams:
Ah yes. I see that you have not matured enough to withhold from immediately sending an unsubstantiated insult upon your opponent. What you don't see is that this issue isn't just about abortions, it's about life itself. If a society forces unwilling physicians to kill not yet born children, imagine how little it values any life, including yours. At the risk of using another analogy, it is a Pandora's box of attacks on all civil liberties.
InCharacter 2 years ago
i agree that this issue is about life itself. that issue being abortion and the dignity of the human person. however, considering this woman and just about everyone she cites in this misguided rant supported John McCain in this election and Bush in the last one, i find it difficult to say that they are defending life, considering Bush put more people to death during his time as governor than anyone else in the Union, it's hard to say that obama's opponents are more pro-life than he is.
frams12 2 years ago
And if you make the classic conservative argument that those who take life have lost their right to it, thus making it okay to execute them, you have completely supplanted your argument about the basic dignity of the human person. If someone wants to claim that they are truly pro-life, then they don't vote. Pro-life and anti-abortion aren't the same thing at all. You and the rest of conservative Catholicism need to recognize that.
frams12 2 years ago
1. Learn about what the Catholic Church teaches prior to posting such statements.
The Catholic Church's take on the death penalty actually makes sense when you learn WHAT she teaches, WHY and open your eyes to the ineffectiveness of the prison system in developing countries- where I AM FROM.
2. Your opinion about voting is simply your opinion. Catholics are encouraged to involve themselves in matters of the secular world.
ariaane 2 years ago
3. There is no such thing as a conservative or liberal Catholic. There are simply faithful and unfaithful Catholics. Many Catholics who claim to be claim are simply of the latter variety.
ariaane 2 years ago
And if not supporting killing people makes me an unfaithful Catholic than so be it. I'm pro-life. I'm not the bad guy here. I am anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, and anti-war. All I'm saying is that it's a double standard because if an honorary degree were to be presented to a Republican President, then the "pro-life" people wouldn't have their panties in an uproar like they do now when, in fact, an honorary degree to a Republican President would present the same problem.
frams12 2 years ago
And to be faithful one can't be liberal... Otherwise the thing you said a day ago about liberals looks kinda bad, doesn't it?
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
Well, obviously nothing is really gonna change your opinion on those filthy little baby killers. I know what to do here. I'll do the DUMB Catholic thing. I'll place my vote in an election based on only one issue while ignoring all other aspects. Let's vote for people who will keep us in war, increase the number of cases of capital punishment, and do nothing but help people who already have the means to help themselves.
frams12 2 years ago
Here's my point that you idiots keep missing: in American politics, there is no voting pro-life. There is only voting anti-abortion, which doesn't mean anything, and I'll tell you why. Republicans have run the White House for 20 of the last 28 years, the Supreme Court is in a Right-Wing headlock, and abortion in the United States was still legal when Obama entered office. As such, using it as a voting guideline is stupid, as is your statement that one cannot be faithful and liberal.
frams12 2 years ago
this is not about politics. There is no vote. The Holy Church of the Roman Catholic declares abortion as murder. You can spit on it if you like, you can submerge images of Jesus in urine. You can burn churches and mock its congregation. You can vote your nasty votes. But the fact remains and will always remain, the Holy Roman Catholic Church is against abortion. Jesus said: Render onto caesar that witch is caesars. Take what you believe is yours and be gone.
seandelgado 2 years ago
I've thought about it, and I don't care about Church teaching. It is clear in scripture that it is not our place to condemn and put each other to death. And the ineffectiveness of prison systems in developing countries isn't a good argument. I'm guessing your argument is killing to protect the lives of others. Under that logic, you should also support embryonic stem cell research, which I'm sure you don't.
frams12 2 years ago
I think she is an excellent example of the catholic church. I also think it is very interesting that when asked about homosexuality, she immediately starts talking about bishops as a good example of her point. Hhhhmmmm? I love when hutzbat and stupidity come together in one person.
MBeirne50 2 years ago
Boycott your donation envelopes on Sunday and watch how fast the Catholic Church makes a stand against Notre Dame.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
Bush tortures people and makes an unjustified war and the catholic church is silent. Obama works on shutting down Guantanamo and ending the Irak war. But for the catholic church goes against Obama. As if the killing and torturing of islamic infidels is good but the killing of unborn babies is bad.
VincentBlouin 2 years ago
Every Pope has always spoken out against war you ignorant moron. Stay out of Catholic business. You don't know the first thing about it, Vincent.
Jadedbyte 2 years ago
For anybody wondering their is a 1,000,000 rosary novena to advert Obama's reception. Also their is a petition to Fr.Jenkins the Pres. of the University of ND to uninvite Obama to the University. Fore more info search "Notre Dame Scandel" or "ND response" on your internet search engine.
Please post this message on 10 other videos on this subject. Please tell me if you do.
Thanks.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
1. Catholicism is not based solely on the Bible. Her truths are based on the three tenets of divine revelation, Tradition and the Magisterium.
But of course, you didnt know that as you were one of the many poorly catechised Catholics
2. I am an African Catholic and well over 95% of my tribe is in fact Catholic, so I have more than enough company within my ethnic community.
3. Run a spell check before you post. Failure to do so so makes you appear rather...unintelligent and uneducated.
ariaane 2 years ago
lol. people like you are so funny. so reactionary. also, love the ad hominem. classic. you should know better, as i've noticed you've called plenty of other people out on their use of logical fallacies. why so rabid (and, may i add, hypocritical)?
also, could you maybe enlighten me as to what you consider "educated"? wait, i know! seminary school? rofl.
oh, i know what it is. i think i've figured it out. you just need to get laid! that would chill you out!
tommasfoolery 2 years ago
Noone has a problem when Bush speaks at Catholic universities. Why? Bush started a war the pope himself condemned and he supported the death penalty. Are those lives somehow less valuable, or somehow just not worth fighting for? "Pro Life" has to extend to more facets than just abortion.
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
The Catholic Church does NOT objectively oppose the death penalty.
She regards it as unnecessary in most but not all cases, so she leaves it up to ones prudential judgement.
As the then Cardinal Ratzinger has said, one can be pro death penalty and still be in communion with the Church and so be worthy to receive communion.
The same cannot be said about pro abortionists, as abortion is an INTRINSIC EVIL.
Try learning about what Catholicism teaches before you open your vacuous pie hole.
ariaane 2 years ago 2
PS- I do love how sick and twisted liberal loons will campaign to save a serial rapist and paedophile who has destroyed the lives of many innocent people from being executed, but will happily stick a pair of scissors into the skull of an innocent and defenceless baby.
It just goes to show that liberalism is a mental disorder.
ariaane 2 years ago 2
I went to 9 years of Catholic schooling you insufferable twat. The Church opposes the death penalty in all cases save when the criminal's threat to society cannot be removed. Pope John Paul II even went farther, saying that in this day in age this is rare if not non-existent. If you support THIS idea of the death penalty then you can still consider yours in communion with the Church.
P.S. I'm actually a pro-life conservative.
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
I, and many other practicing Catholics have too attended Catholic school all our lives, but we were not taught the faith in any detail in school. We had to take outside classes or self teach, so take the I went to Catholic school all my life BS elsewhere.
The Catholic Church sways to opposition of the death penalty, yet it is not an intrinsic evil, nor does being an advocate of the death penalty bar you from receiving communion.
ariaane 2 years ago
Cardinal Ratzinger has said repeatedly that the death penalty is a matter of prudential judgement.
Not to mention that in the THIRD WORLD (which I originate from) the death penalty is NEEDED because our prison system is SO ineffective.
You are looking at things solely through western eyes.
I am looking at things through the eyes of a blck Catholic female, born in Africa and raised in both Australia, Malaysia and the UK.
I think I have more perspective on this.
ariaane 2 years ago
By that logic, shouldn't you refrain from judging an American Catholic issue from a 3rd world Catholic standpoint? And I'm sorry if 3rd world Catholic schools don't teach you about your religion very well, but both of the Catholic schools I went to were very, very good about that. Maybe I am seeing this from a purely western standpoint, but you're seeing it from a purely 3rd-world standpoint, which isn't any better or any worse.
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
And what part of I was BORN in Africa, yet RAISED within Australia, Malaysia, and Britain do you not understand???
I've been predominantly educated in Australia and the UK- both western countries.
British Catholic schools along with Australian Catholic schools DO NOT teach the faith. And judging from the American Catholics I've spoken to, neither do US Catholic schools.
I am seeing things through a mixed viewpoint.
Fact of the matter is Catholicism is Catholicism- it is universal.
ariaane 2 years ago
This is ridiculous and way off-topic, and a great deal of that is probably my fault. I'm not trying to say US Catholic schools are better about it, I'm trying to say the ones I personally went to were based on the little information you gave me.
The problem I'm having with your argument is that you're trying to have it both ways. If you truly believe Catholicism is universal, then there's no reason to bring up that your viewpoint is somehow better than mine. Even if it was, it seems irrelevant
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
Getting back to the original point I failed to adequately make: I just feel as though there's a huge chunk of people within the Church that focuses almost completely on the issues of abortion and stem cell research. I'm not trying to lessen the importance of them, I'm just saying that they're not the only issues that we, as Catholics, should be concerned with. I feel like labeling Obama as "anti-Catholic values" is a little harsh considering his stance on a number of other issues.
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
Us Catholics are NOT against Obama, the person, we are against his beliefs and his actions!!!!!
ushineon4me 2 years ago
These people worship the most blood-thirsty deity in all of human mythology: a god that would murder homosexuals, kill a man's family as part of an asinine bet, drown the innocent, cut the throats of infants, rape young virgins, and on, and on. Give me a break. For their god, abortion is an enjoyable, if lightweight, affair.
zombiekiller60 2 years ago
Yaaaawn!
You've copied and pasted this garbage onto so many videos already!
Don't you have anything original? [laugh]
ariaane 2 years ago
I thought about responding to this rationally, but then read your other comments. You are clearly too dumb to be reasoned with, so good riddance. Enjoy the fruits of your neutered and narcotized mind. Live happily until Jesus flies out of the clouds to take you home.
staylopictures 2 years ago
Notre Dames Catholic status should absolutely be rescinded. They don't seem to know what the Church teaches or they don't care. Either way what is wrong is WRONG. They should not get my financial support just because they claim to be Catholic.
lldlila 2 years ago 2
Ah, right, I forgot the 11th commandment: Thou shalt not encourage discussion and debate.
Alchaeachu 2 years ago
No, the 11th commandment is: Thou shalt not talk BS and post faulty statements on a subject which you are lacking knowledge on, as doing so is not beneficial for discourse.
If I went onto an atheist video and posted simmilar things that you have done, in relation to atheism, I'd be torn to shreds verbally.
ariaane 2 years ago
Notre Dames Catholic status should absolutely be rescinded. It might seem like this is an overreaction, but Notre Dame is known for being very liberal. Many knowledgeable catholics have been saying for years that it is not a catholic institution and I agree.
On a side note, for all the fox haters out there, this was very fair and balanced. It could have used an opposing opinion, but the interview was unbiased.
Kelm48103 2 years ago 3
The right for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in the constitution to for the born and unborn you dope!
Cldfsn0200 2 years ago 3
Catholic Church= Babylon the great, the mother of all prostitutes, perverts, and all of the abominations of the earth.
vivamexicohahaha 2 years ago
Can you come up with something more... original?
ariaane 2 years ago
Catholic Church= Babylon the great, the mother of all prostitutes, perverts, and all of the abominations of the earth.
...And the beast forced everyone, rich and poor, slave and free, great and small, to have a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads==SIGN OF THE CROSS
vivamexicohahaha 2 years ago
Still... unoriginal [smile]
ariaane 2 years ago
didn't the catholic church once considered Science as witchcraft?
vivamexicohahaha 2 years ago
why should a school receive funding from a church
simplyno 2 years ago 2
Because the school is a Catholic school.
I'm sure Jewish schools receive funding from their Synagogues, dont you?
ariaane 2 years ago
[laugh]
I have refuted EVERY THING you have written. I understand that you are poorly educated and therefore have not only poor spelling skills but poor reading comprehension, but you really need to educate yourself.
Your foul expletives just confirm what gutter white trash you have shown yourself to be.
In conclusion
1. You have not refuted a SINGLE thing I've said.
2. All of your argument is comprised of strawmen, non sequitir, and red herrings.
ariaane 2 years ago
3. You are a semi literate uneducated anti Catholic racist bigot.
ariaane 2 years ago
once you realize you can't shame one into submission to your demented beliefs, then your real hate and hypocracy comes to the surface.
it has fermented and now i see the fruits of it. you are no more chiristian than lenin, stalin or hitler. your creed is believe as i do or else. you make me sick!
wntoply6 2 years ago
1. I don't need to shame you- * you * do a good job of this on your own- believe me! [smile]
2. Anyone can see that the only demented and disturbed individual in this debate is yourself.
ariaane 2 years ago
3. Lenin, Stalin and Hitler were all atheists who committed their mass killings by establishing a state void of religious observance.
Pure socialism and communism cannot function with the freedom of religion, because the state is regarded as God. But of course, you don't know any of this as you are semi literate and are ignorant of historical events.
Save yourself and pick up a book and read!
ariaane 2 years ago
catholicism committed mass killings too, didn't it, or is that a myth in your head?
hitler was catholic, religion functioned within communism, and flourished after it's demise.
semi literate means you have no memory of history. guess who failed on this one arianne. you refuse to remember history, therefore you are bound to repeat it.
you're ignorance astounds even a child of 5
wntoply6 2 years ago
Your attempt to improve your spelling is well noted. However, the use of youre is incorrect. You are meant to use the possessive your.
Now, moving on. If youre talking about the Inquisition, that was * not * sanctioned by the Catholic Church herself, but by the Spanish state. As for the Crusades, at least some were defensive wars against Islamic invasion.
Nice try. But you fail. Again. [smile]
ariaane 2 years ago
Hitler was raised Catholic, but abandoned the faith as YOU did. If you wish to make the claim that he was Catholic when he committed his atrocities, then I can make the claim that you are STILL Catholic, just because you were raised in the faith. Not too logical, is it?
Religion, in particular Catholicism, was PERSECUTED during communism. Churches and religous schools were closed down and Catholics were killed. Take your revisionist history elsewhere.
ariaane 2 years ago
PS- Communism- a non religious atheist ideology- killed 100 million people in just 80 years.
The Catholic Church cannot be responsible for ending so many lives, even if you add up all the deaths over the last 2000 years.
ariaane 2 years ago
again typical of catholics, when they have no good answers they try to turn the tables. who said you shamed me? who? just another lie from a habitual liar.
paraphrasing: "anyone can see the only demented and disturbed individual in this debate is me"? oh really, shall we begin to count the disturbed worship you practice. in the name of sanity, let's do it right here and now. let's see just who is the disturbed one.
wntoply6 2 years ago
1. I have answered and refuted ALL of your arguments.
2. All of your rantings- yes- what you write is simply RANTINGS of a lunatic. It is void or REASON, and sound debate.
3. Your insanity grows ever more evident when you say "who said you shamed me? who? just another lie from a habitual liar."
Really, you really ought to listen to your doctors and take your meds regularly! [laugh X 10]
ariaane 2 years ago
[laugh]
I sincerely suggest that you return to school and complete your education before you engage in debates.
You * really * are embarrassing yourself.
ariaane 2 years ago
Then keep the f*ck out of Catholic affairs!
Notre Dame is a Catholic institution and so our Catholic schools can do what we want, just as secular institution can set their own values .
If you don't like it, then f*uck off.
ariaane 2 years ago
The girl in this video is unintelligent at best. Allowing the speech of an individual does not give support of their statement.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
I suppose Notre Dame should allow David Duke to speak as "Allowing the speech of an individual does not give support of their statement. "
PS- Obama is not coming to speak alone, but to be HONOURED.
ariaane 2 years ago
If David Duke can hold a civil tongue in a public forum, let him speak, that is all that should really be expected of any individual.
Also, regardless of wheather or not he is honored that is the decision of the Dean, or whatever title he possess, which is entirely his decision, with some dissent perhaps understandable if it could be argued against on an intellectual basis.
Rather it's simply an emotional appeal against a platform of the President's that has been demonized.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
Please- David Duke is purely racist scum. The man has brought nothing positive to society whatsoever.
Whatever good he may have brought into the world is far overshadowed by his hateful views on people of races, just like Obamas hate for the unborn goes unmitigated by what he has done.
We Catholics do not think that good deeds makes up for evil. Period.
ariaane 2 years ago
A 2004 statement put out by the USCCB has FORBIDDEN individuals like Obama and David Duke from being HONOURED at Catholic institutions. So no- authority does not fall to the Dean to ignore the precaution of the BISHOPS of the US. That is not how it works within the Catholic Church hierarchy.
Not to mention that If Duke was to so much as to SPEAK at Notre Dame, then all the white liberal loons and blacks would protest and you KNOW full well that this would occur.
ariaane 2 years ago
The left only has tolerance for those with similar views to theirs.
And before you think it, I am black myself but just see the hypocrisy that exists amongst those who share my skin colour and stupid inconsistent whites.
ariaane 2 years ago
You assume hate coincides with action, which is a non-necessity. One can hate without acting upon it that is part of what our soceity is based upon, not that it is an ideal way of life.
Further, you apply Obama's feelings on abortion as hate of the unborn, fetus, or whatever you wish to kill it, which itself is without proof. Just as feelings do not dictate action, action does not dictate feelings, IE the necessary evil.
As for the Catholics matter, none of my concern.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
That is something that occurs within their organization and as an outsider to it I don't particularly care for their feelings either way. However, regardless of its status as Catholic University, it is still a university and tolerance for ideas must be accepted otherwise no intellectual or social evolution can occur.
As for the "left only having tolerance for those with similar views", the 'right' is just as guilty of this.
Further, your ancestry has nothing to do with this discussion.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
Tolerance is NOT an excuse to allow the most vile people into Catholic Universities to be honoured.
If a paedophile wished to be honoured in a Catholic institution, I have no doubt that vile pigs like yourself would be happy to let it go ahead.
There are always boundaries to tolerance, and Catholics have erected our boundaries on people who abuse the dignity of life, and that includes those who wish to kill the unborn.
ariaane 2 years ago
As for the right being intolerant- so what!?
It is the left who makes tolerance apart of their platform, yet fail to live up to it. You do not practice what you preach so much.
Like it is commonly said: There is no one more intolerant than a liberal.
ariaane 2 years ago
Yes, because insulting the opposition obviously proves your point. While you may find tolerance untenable the legal foundations of this society would disagree with you and that is what the concern should be with.
Further, while I cannot oppose that the left as a whole is not purely tolerant, your argument isn't logical in any manner. The left is giving you the choice to not have an abortion while those who want one may should it be feasible.
That is freedom, that is America.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
No one is forcing anything upon you, you don't like it don't have one, you are not morally blameworthy if you are not a participant in the act, one of the few things major moral theories agree upon.
Further unless you can substantiate with evidence your claim about it being commonly said, it's an opinion rather then a fact.
Also, nice assosiating the left with pedophiles given the rights history with that. What matters is an act worthy of being honored is performed, not ones history.
SilentSpork 2 years ago
Unfortunately women in the western society are trash. In the 1960s they did away with their bras. Hats off to that!!!! But now we have a delemma ..... everything on them comes off so eseasily....it is like they are on a permanent MS........ And we wonder why the women in the east are gaged and clothed from head to foot. They see the rot of the west and save the plague on their own. And we condemn as Medival!
ravagesavage 2 years ago
Obama is a muslim out to destroy America. He operates under the Saudi King who we saw he recently bow and kiss his hand.
By abortion he reduces the American population and give rise to the muslim population who also believes that abortion is wrond and are procreating at a faster pace. And soon America will be conquered and reduced to being slaves to the muslims.
ravagesavage 2 years ago
And I touch type at a speed of 45 words per minute, which is quite fast.
Most of what you write is so difficult to read as your punctuation is so bad. There is one thing to misspell the odd word or two, and there is doing what you are doing.
ariaane 2 years ago
ariaane: Don't darken (no pun intended) my e-mail again... it will only be deleted and unread. Look for me at the protest at ND I'll be the one with the HUGE sign "PRO-CHOICE" on ND commecement day. that would be May 17th in case you forgot...LOLOLOL have a great day!
curious5849 2 years ago
Me, emailing you?
Deluded much?
Pathetic white baby killing whorish white woman, GET A LIFE and STAY OUT of Catholic matters.
Notre Dame is a CATHOLIC institution so your secular pro baby killing signs will have no effect on the Catholic Church which has stood for 2000 years.
Youll have dropped dead in a couple of years and history will NOT carry your memory as important.
PS- With your baby killing sign, be prepared to be confronted by much of the pro life youth! [smile]
ariaane 2 years ago
Now- BACK TO THE TOPIC OF ABORTION which this video is about:
Barack Obama on Abortion
No litmus test; nominate to Court based on their fairness. (Oct 2008)
1990: Wrote law article that that fetus cannot sue mother. (Aug 2008)
FactCheck: Abortions HAVE gone down under Pres. Bush. (Aug 2008)
Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008)
We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)
Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
ariaane 2 years ago
(continued)
Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)
GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)
Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)
Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
ariaane 2 years ago
(continued)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
ariaane 2 years ago
**** Barrack Obama's Voting Record ****
Opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
ariaane 2 years ago
**** Barrack Obama's Voting Record - PT 2 ****
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
_____________________
Now that we have Obama's voting record and opinions on abortion, how can any Catholic support Obama being HONOURED at a Catholic institution?
ariaane 2 years ago
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With you over usage of foul language, I have come to the following conclusion about you:
1. You are not well educated
2. The fury you direct at the Catholic Church stems from matters *other than* the sex abuse scandal, yet you are using this easy issue to justify your disdain for Catholicism as its your easiest bet.
ariaane 2 years ago
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3. You are probably a card carrying supporter of the ACLU who the worlds most popular paedophilia organisation, NAMBLA, so are in fact a (closeted supports) supporter of paedophilia.
Your issue is with priests molesting children, but dont care of the numerous other environments where molestation is more prevalent. So please, stop fooling yourself and come out of the closet and admit yourself to be the child loving sexual deviant I know you are deep down inside.
ariaane 2 years ago
PS- There is no excuse for the priests who molested children. In fact, I am quite happy that the anti Catholic media exposed the abuse as it saved possibly 10s or hundreds of children from being molested. And for that I am ever thankful.
ariaane 2 years ago
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And those priests who committed such acts are despicable human beings who need to be locked up in jail for life!
What I do note however, is that liberals, who are for the most part the supporters of lowering the age of consent laws so adults can have sex with children who are past the age of puberty, only seem to have an issue with child molestation when it is the Catholic Church who is the perpetrator of the abuse.
ariaane 2 years ago
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Even though school teachers, little league coaches and other adults are MUCH MORE likely to molest children than Catholic priests, according to SECULAR reports, I am yet to come across a person who is angry at the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal express condemnation towards school teachers and coaches who are much more likely to molest children than any other group (apart from family)
ariaane 2 years ago
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It seems to me that many who condemn Catholic priests for molestation are closeted paedophiles, whose issues stem from Catholic priests competing with them for access to children to molest.
This really isnt an instance of ad hominem, but an observation on my part.
Be honest, you have no issue with child molestation- you probably support it! You just have an issue with Catholic priests committing the act, don't you?
ariaane 2 years ago
well, Notre Dame is NOT Catholic Universty in my view!
Fr. Peter - Catholic Priest
korona141 2 years ago 2
The ALL spokesperson fails to explain the difference between Catholic opposition for abortion vs. the death penalty. Abortion has always been opposed by the Catholic Church since the time of the Didache, a document written in the 1st century A.D.,as the killing of an innocent baby. The opposition towards the death penalty is not a doctrinal one: the Church simply feels the death penalty is unnecessary in modern times, but could still be legitimate in certain circumstances.
tzabiega 2 years ago 2
Good to know that you noticed this. This sums up the Church's position on the death penalty perfectly.
ariaane 2 years ago
wntoply6: save your breath, ariaane is a 21 yr old, black virgin girl from the UK and really has NOTHING to say about what happens in the USA no matter what she says. she'll probably warn you like she did me that she's gonna be watching you...LOLOLOL what a joke.
curious5849 2 years ago
[laugh] Racist, much?
Herein lies the perfect display of white liberal RACISM and HYPOCRISY.
Yes, I'm a 21 year old woman of colour who is keeping sex for marriage as my CULTURE and FAITH declares- why must you hate me because of this??
Curious- on a serious note, are you unemployed? Do you not have much friends? Not much meaning in life?
I ask these questions as Im quite...disturbed that you are so obsessed with all things Catholic..
Really, Curious, GET A JOB AND A LIFE!
ariaane 2 years ago
ariaane: shows how much you pay attention, I have explained the difference to you so many times the only conclusion I can come to is you're just ignorant. If someone doesn't agree with the crap you're spewing you get a little too defensive. Could it be you really doubt your own beliefs? Everyone is intitled to an opinion & for the sake of debate your arguement is weak at best. Too many people doubt your facts no matter who you're quoting so get a life yourself. Americans don't need you.
curious5849 2 years ago
My FACTS are APPROVED Catholic dogma- dogma which you are not bound to so please f*ck off out of Catholic affairs. [smile]
PS- Please learn how to construct grammatically correct posts with adequate spelling.
ariaane 2 years ago
ariaane: your FACTS are the product of BRAINWASHING YOUR WHOLE LIFE. One would not expect anything else from such a youngster. Get some experience IN REAL LIFE then come back and tell me to f*ck off.... you're only problem is stupidity and frankly you are the one making a fool of yourself. BTW did ya see your Dr. no-it-all was arrested yesterday?...LOL for being unlawful... that's what you're following along with all the other nuts surrounding ND.
curious5849 2 years ago
Are you aware that child molestation in public schools is MUCH MORE common in public schools than in the Catholic Church? (Only 4% of Catholic priests were guilty of the crime of molestation, and some secular experts have surmised that molestation is even up to 100X more prevalent in schools)
Are you aware that public schools also have done wrong to their students by moving accused teachers to different districts, so as to protect their school's reputation?
ariaane 2 years ago
A Catholic institution sets her own rules, regardless of whether or not the secular world likes it or not.
The same goes for secular institutions setting their own rules, as evident by the fat that many secular universities BANNED GEORGE BUSH from even speaking at their liberal colleges.
ariaane 2 years ago
The issue here is not that Obama is being invited to SPEAK at Notre Dame, but that he is being HONOURED.
Free speech in Catholic institutions should not be at the expense of undermining the Churchs non negotiable teachings of the Church and our rights in this matter are in fact protected by the constitution.
ariaane 2 years ago
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Pres. Bush claimed to be pro-life, yet he was pro-abortion in the case of rape, incest, and fetal deformities.
Furthermore, he fully supported the death penalty even though John Paul the Great spoke out against it.
Even worse, Bush promoted unjust war and torture, two horrible acts expressly condemned as an affront to life by the Second Vatican Council.
The Pope himself honored Sarkozy by making him an honorary canon at his own basilica. Sarkozy is pro-choice.
ivyryan91 2 years ago
Actually, I have to agree with dacatholic on this one. The outcry is not about whether people should have the right to speak their mind, it's a fundamental of Catholic doctrine. Having Obama speak at Notre Dame would be like having Hitler speak at a Jewish school- and not to say that Obama is Hitler, but the contrast (though perhaps not the comparison) is similar.
ModernSurvivor 2 years ago 2
Well, clearly I can't help my tax dollars from going to the government, that is one reason I am so concerned about where the rest of my money goes. I thought a lot before typing this, thanks for the advice. I will not be responding to you anymore, you are just full of hate and trying to make me full of hate too.
Good bye and God Bless.
channyrose 2 years ago
listen channy, it's you who's full of hate! it wasn't me who said obama should be banned from speaking at your "oh so precious catholic school". do you really think notre dame teaches intolerance, as you believe?
i'm not full of hate, i'm full of outrage that there are wingnuts like you who reside here in america!
are you telling me by pointing out intolerant, ignorant bigoted haters i'm the hater? think again honey. it's people like you bachmann & now foxx who's intolerance is appaling.
wntoply6 2 years ago
You are the hater here because you don't have respect for an unborn defenseless child who has a soul who is created in the likeness and image of God just like you are. But maybe you are so full of self hate that you don't respect your own life and therefor can't respect other lives of the most vulnerable in our soceity. Wake up you walking dead to your big fat ass lie and promotion of death by you indifference to laws that are innately and intrinsically evil!!!!!
Cldfsn0200 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
the catholic church which says abortion is "an intrinsic evil of all time" is just stating what they believe...it is in no way proven fact.
the fact people place total belief in a church who adamently protected child molesters & totally disregarded how they were ruining 1,000's children's lives is the biggest intrinsic evel of all time. that's not bullshit, that my dear woman is fact.
tell me lady, does hypocracy & stupidity fun in your family, or did you bishop have to brainwash you?
wntoply6 2 years ago
This woman understands her beliefs. And you're insulting her. If the church was successful in hypnotism, then Pelosi would be a nun. If you are abusive towards our beliefs, than you don't understand them. Read a book. Theology of the Body, Rome Sweet Home, Confessions. Don't blame the evils of a few bishops on the reputation of the Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II never felt so much pain in his life,to know that members of his clergy were hurting children.He met personally with the families.
memymomalex 2 years ago
please then don't insult me with such bullshit. i was raised catholic, i saw what it did to me and other children, how harmful and full of lies the church was and still is to this day.
because you prefer to stay in darkness, well memy, that's your problem.
but also, this IS america. it is not only my right, but also my duty to expose bastards and liars with wrong ideas/thoughts/beliefs WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
wntoply6 2 years ago
PART 1
Again, I ask you to improve your grammar and spelling because much of what you write is illegible.
Now moving on: It is solely YOUR OPINION that Catholicism is wrong.
I was raised happily Catholic, yet have been exposed to secularism, and have come to my conclusion that secularism alone, is harmful to the development of children as it has no foundation in any objective morality.
ariaane 2 years ago
PART 2
All truth is relative, according to secularists, so even support of paedophilia can be argued and defended from a strictly secular viewpoint.
This is in fact the case with many liberal authors and even the APA trying to mitigate the harm of paedophilia on children- yes I said it- there are many liberal secularists who are pushing to lower the Age of Consent Laws.
ariaane 2 years ago
PART 3
But of course, this doesnt bother you because in this case, those who are attempting to abuse children are not Catholic priests...
As you are entitled to freedom of speech as per the Constitution, so are theists, which include Catholics- as Freedom of religion is stated within the constitution.
What you are advocating is the opposite of a theocracy- you wish to IMPOSE your subjective secular viewpoints upon others who have the RIGHT to think differently from you.
ariaane 2 years ago
PART 4
Feel free to do that, because there will be many, like me, exposing you so the semi literate peasants such as yourself, whose viewpoints have the potential to do much more harm then good.
All in all, you simply exemplify how BIGOTRY, RACISM and INTOLERANCE are prevalent within secular non theist circles. So thank you for reaffirming what I and many others here have come to know.
PS- I *urgently* you suggest you return to school so you can learn how to spell adequately.
ariaane 2 years ago
you're wrong, it is not solely my opinion, there are millions, perhaps billions of people who think catholicism is wrong (what a goddamned stupid statement you made).
that secularism is harmful is only YOUR OPINION. the fact you can't raise good children without hateful catholicism is your fault, not the fault of secularists.
when you stop lying about secularists, then we can have a meaningful conversation, but to out and out lie to support your bullshit is insulting, to your intelligence.
wntoply6 2 years ago
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And there are over 1 billion Catholics + millions that comprise the Orthodox Churches which are VERY similar in teaching with the Catholic Church who have an opinion different from yours.
But numbers are all irrelevant as truth is not dependent on majority consensus, as you are intimating.
If truth was dependent on majority consensus, then it can be argued that African chattel slavery was moral 100 years as the majority of Caucasians felt it so.
ariaane 2 years ago
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Herein lies the problem with secularism and its forfeiting of *MORAL ABSOLUTES* which stand true regardless of the age we live in.
Your obvious hatred for theists and your evident inability to express yourself articulately does make me pity you greatly.
If you think youre going to change anyones mind by use of your reasoning or your imperfect grammar and spelling, than think again.
ariaane 2 years ago
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I have told no lies about secularism but have correctly stated that secularism denounces the existence of *absolute truths* and so acts such as paedophilia can and * is * being legitimately supported using secular logic by liberals.
Do a google search for liberal + books + support paedophilia, if you dont believe me.
The truth is hard to digest, I know. But your worldview is so undeveloped and illogical, as proven by your great inability to express yourself adequately.
ariaane 2 years ago
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PS- The western countries that have embraced secularism so greatly coincidently are the countries where there has been the greatest conversions to Islam by the white indigenous population. White women, in fact, are the largest converters to Islam.
Seeing as you believe Catholicism is so hateful, I take it Islam must be a breath of fresh air to you? [laugh]
ariaane 2 years ago
you talk about truth, what truth do you know for certainty with regard to the catholic church? you ONLY HAVE BELIEF in your FAITH, you don't have truth! if you have truth, arianne, PROVE IT. if you can't prove it, i suggest you shut the hell up right now!
and oh how you misjudge me (oh a catholic judging...hmm how ironic) as to hatred. what i hate are "holier than thou" PEOPLE like you who think they have the answers, but are hypocritical both in their religion & in the practice of it!
wntoply6 2 years ago
1.
The majority of black African Catholics- which I am- do practice.
Catholicism is also growing the fastest in Africa and Asia, and we have more of a tendency to be orthodox than our white counterparts.
**** Again, like I said, numbers are irrelevant, as majority consensus does not determine objective truth. *****
How do I know truth exists in the Catholic Church? Let me give you one example where the Church has been proven to be correct on one matter.
ariaane 2 years ago
2.
For one, we are the longest standing institution and our values, when actually lived out, has lead to a decrease in HIV/AIDS in African countries like Uganda by relying on the Churchs message of abstinence and monogamy.
Uganda has seen its HIV/AIDs rate fall from double figures to 6%, whereas countries like South Africa which rely on condoms alone to decrease their HIV/AIDs rate is seeing an ever creasing rate of infection.
ariaane 2 years ago
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Even the Harvard Researcher, Mr A Green, came out in support of the Popes statement that condoms were aggravating the HIV situation in Africa.
The Churchs position on artificial contracepton has been vindicated by science, not only from the Harvard researcher, but by numerous science journals which have confirmed that condoms have NOT lowered the rate of HIV/AIDs in Africa.
This is just one example of the Church holding the truth in regards to disease prevention, as proven by statistics
ariaane 2 years ago
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You accuse me of lying, yet you are yet to point out ONE instance where I have lied.
You say I have abused Christs name, and yet fail to mention where and how.
You are yet to refute a single fact that Ive made.
Your argument is comprised fully of vacuous rhetoric and strawmen, that Im really embarrassed for you...
None of what you say is sound, or original, which is why I find it so easy to refute your rantings.
ariaane 2 years ago
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You simply make allegations of lying but dont BACK UP any of what you say.
You really are a bad communicator and debater, and Ill fathom a guess that youve swayed no one with your arguments.
Not to mention that your spelling and grammar still remains atrocious. You do not represent the semi intelligent atheist youtubers, of which there are some.
ariaane 2 years ago
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PS- Look past the last couple of pages and you will see that it is YOU who has done all or most of the judging- you simply are projecting.
Judging is not against Catholic teaching. Good judgement is encouraged, and it is in fact a spiritual work of mercy that we instruct the Ignorant. And you appear to be very ignorant indeed.
*** May I ask your age? ***
ariaane 2 years ago
oh shit, i can't wait for you to do nothing but criticize the fact i misspelled enact. that will probably be your only criticism because the rest of your crap is bullshit.
wntoply6 2 years ago