Corpus Christi High Mass At Saint Clement's Phila. CH 2

[Iggy3d]

Would-be Catholics. Welcome to join the true Church of God anytime.

[codeman2008]

@Iggy3d Some of them are Catholics. I know Catholics who attend High Mass at Anglo-Catholic or even 'non-Anglo-Catholic' Episcopal Churches in addition to their Catholic churches.

[polysloguy]

Booman - you would be 100 percent welcomed to attend that parish. The Episcopal Church welcomes everyone regardless of "status or social class" or anything else. In our parish we have a few homeless people who attend regularly.Everyone treats them as if they were members of the family. So, try it!

[bobinswpa]

It's a very liberal church with many partnered GLTB people. All are welcomed there, rich, poor, straight, gay, pink and purple. They do a lot of work with social justice and ministering to the the needs of inner city Philadephia. If that's destroying the Episcopal Church we need to do more of it. This is what Jesus' was about.

[dsindc]

@bobinswpa And that's the way it should be. I believe it was Archibishop Ramsey (Arch of Canterbury) many decades ago who when asked to - defined Christianity as "a religion that seeks to expand circles of inclusion". Any church that attempts to ignore truth from any source, science, modern scholarship, theology, archaelogy will lose credibility. It becomes stagnant. We Anglicans I think got it right. We must be open to change, but find a common identity in the sacraments and liturgy.

[dsindc]

@bobinswpa By the way, great to see another fan of Shostakovich - I had the great fortune of seeing his 7th performed by the Dallas Symphony (no, I live in D.C. not Dallas), in their incredible new hall designed by I.M. Pei. What pain that man had to deal with, but in a hall with almost perfect accoustics, hearing the 4th movement reminded me that there may be hope for the human race.

[ChaseFowler0192]

I would love to attend this church! This makes me think of the Book of Revelation and the beautiful heavenly worship! We are called to worship with the angels and to worship in the same fashion as they! This is truly how they worship! AMEN!!!

[Nothwithstanding]

As a Traditional Catholic, it gives me great joy to know that our Anglican brethren still worship God in the most proper and dignified way possible. In fact, to see such a beautiful High Mass being done in an Anglican parish, and to observe the sacrilege and outright heresy of the "new" form of the Mass, makes me wonder why we aren't learning something from you over on the Thames.

[karpov89]

I don't either understand how one could hesitate going to any church because of being poor, of course those who are poor are welcome to Church..well it looks very good at St. Clements! Christianus mihi nomen est, catholicus cognomen!

[boomac62]

well, trust me if you show up ion torn jeans and an old sweatshirt you DO get looks. It shouldn't happen and most people are quite nice but it only takes one

[karpov89]

Well but then people should ignore the looks of course.

[boomac62]

i couldn't afford to go to a church like that....it's beautiful but can you imagine a poor person feeling welcome?

[SClems1]

Hi boomac62. Everyone is welcome at S Clement's, regardless of whether you see yourself as financially poor or not.  The "welcoming" factor is the tradition and the connection you feel with God.

[boomac62]

I understand what you say and I have NO doubts the members would welcome anybody there....BUT, it's natural to feel uncomfortable in a place like that with so many well healed folks if you are in torn shorts and old sneakers. ....well, I do anyway.

peace

[sport989]

I would hope you would be made very welcome. The Catholic movement in the Anglican church was at first most vibrant in the poorer parishes of London and southern England.

[beswanky]

@boomac62 What a bizarre comment! How would a poor person not feel welcomed by beautiful liturgy??

[johnfski61]

@boomac62 Actually, both in the UK and in the USA the Anglo-Catholic branch of Anglicanism was the one most concerned for the poor. Look up the Anglo-Catholic "slum priest" tradition and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Evangelical Anglicanism was the party of the smug capitalist middle class. Anglo-Catholicism was the party of the poor and Christian socialism.

[johnross12]

If only the Roman Catholic Church had kept its ancient traditions and had liturgies similar to these.

[Andante735]

If only the Anglican Church hadn't been allowed to fall into the hands of liberal,revisionist fascists. I do agree with you completely, it's just ironic that we have such glorious music and traditions, and it's got to be seen in the same light as the behavior that's destroyed the communion. Sad.

[ChaseFowler0192]

@Andante735 i agree! I am an Anglo-Catholic from Texas and wish that the Episcopal Church hadn't gone on the liberal road that leads to complete herecy aganist the church and doctorine.

[dsindc]

@Andante735 So let me get that straigt, (pun intended)... it is good for certain former Anglicans to align themselves with the likes of an Anglican Church which advocates for the death of homosexuals? (Uganda) And in spite of attempting to dodge the issue after bad press, has revealed in communications that their ultimate goal is the 'irradication' of gay people? If this can even be called a 'church' is open to debate. If it wishes to travel a different road, good. But I don't wish them well.

[Andante735]

@dsindc I was referring to issues of doctrine and theology. I'm not sure why you chose to insert the issue of homosexuality into my comments. I'm not affiliated with the Anglican Church of Uganda, or any other body of the church any longer. I certainly don't advocate for the irradication of anyone, nor would I consider aligning myself with anyone who does.

[dsindc]

@Andante735 So the question remains, 'which' issues of doctrine and theology? The Anglican Communion if you know anything about it has never been dogmatic. That has been a strength and a weakness. A strength for those seaking truth, and a bane for those who want answers given to them as if they represented the quotes in Mao's Little Red Book. Religion must evolve or it will die. I like this type of liturgy, however most don't. That includes Roman Catholics. (cont)

[Andante735]

@dsindc I'm not sure why you chose to close in on what I felt was a relatively benign comment. You seem very passionate and highly informed, and I appreciate your comments. I will just simply write that as a cradle RC, and an adult who was received into the AC, I've spent my share of time in parishes of both communions; studied, researched, and experienced much. I no longer affiliate with the AC for reasons that are both personal, and complex.

[Andante735]

I would engage in the discussion further, but for both reasons of time and lack of practicality, I decline. If you wish to know more, feel free to send me a personal message, and I will be happy to be more specific about my disagreements about doctrinal and theological issues.

[dsindc]

@Andante735 Ultimately, a religious conversion must be intellectual and it must be relevant to the times. I have spent much time with many Episcopal Priests, and R.C. priests as well. When I ask them to define something like the divinity of Christ, I get opinions all over the map. Scripture doesn't help much - Mark and John are totally different. In the end, Anglicanism puts any notions to the test of reason and experience. Otherwise we'd still be burning witches. So where are your concerns?

[LJBeta96]

No parish in America does it quite like blessed S. Clements! Pax Vobiscum

[codeman2008]

I think Church of the Advent in Boston and Saint Clement's in Philly have, from what I've seen, the best high mass you could ask for!

We need more videos on here of the Church of the Advent! There isn't a single video on youtube of a Mass there! Thank you Saint Clement's for posting these videos, get the word out about the Anglo-Catholic Tradition!

[dsindc]

@codeman2008 I'd add to that, St. Paul's K Street, and St. Agnes and the Ascension on Massachusetts Ave in Washington D.C. Both are beautiful with music that is unreal. I've taken R.C. friends and have to explain to them what's going on. My how things have changed. For those who have posted here about theological deviation - the Church will have to evolve. Every time I go to Europe I am amazed at how the R.C. church continues to wither, and I don't think it's because it remains 'orthodox'.

[codeman2008]

@dsindc And Saint John's and All Saints Ashmont in Boston, Saint Mary the Virgin and Saint Thomas in NYC, and Saint Stephen's in Providence, Rhode Island also come to mind. There are plenty of great Anglo-Catholic parishes in the US. How I wish they could be closer to me! :-)