Looks like i was right About my predictions ! CCRL In regina finaly blew up on oct 6, 2011! These plant need to be checked out more by inspectors out of site like OHNS . Some Plants are just way to worn out or badly built . Better Quality control prevention also should be there once the plants are build and re started after a shutdown.....
Worked up there and found it and the majority of the people up there useless. If people spent as much time caring about their job and work they did, as they did bitching and moaning about who, from what union and what province people came from... this would never have happened. It's easy to point fingers and make excuses for shitty work. Just my opinion.
Irony: racist jagoffs who can't spell boo criticizing non-English speakers. However, that aside, and looking past the union/non-union debate, you're left with some valuable tidbits about reality in an oilsands upgrader.
Reading further down ya its true it doesnt matter who done the work everything has to go through inspection sign off before it can be sold off. Management I dont even want to say anything of what I know for I know when the coker went on fire last year in Jan. had a shut down for 9 wks it wasnt as bad a this one there was a lot of safety and management that the men were told to overlook and if they spoke up they may not of had their jobs anyone that worked it knows what I'm talking about.
Listen the reason so much is going on is they are trying to cut corners by taking in non-trained no-bodies and foreigners to do the work instead of wanting to pay union rate there is a reason for that rate its called 4 years of schooling and apprenticeship hours to get your journeymens to write your mandatory red seal to verify you know what you are doing now just learn as you go. I take it 0grob0 must be on of those a non-union.
wow i thought the hydro furnace would be the thing to explode not the coker but i thought it wouldn't last very long before it blew i am surprised it lasted this long
thank god no body got killed ! I dont kow what happend but it might be an engenering problem ... If i can remember 3 asian died building a tank in the tank farm 4 years ago due to miss calculation on structural steal or something .. That plant has only been running for 3 years so they might have some defect on the coker or something ! If you look at suncor wich is in bad shape or ccrl in regina .... it make you wonder who will be the next one to blow up .....
The reason people are getting killed at CNRL Is because they are fucking cheap. They didn't want to pay the price at the time for quality tradespeople to work there. They never had anti-spiral cables temporarily securing the tank rafters and columns in place. When the wind picked up eventually after time it twisted the whole frame work causing it collapse.It is companies from other countries coming in with uneducated foreign workers. It should be banned.
This was an unfortunate accident, Thank god that nobody was killed, this could have been allot worse. My prayers go out to the families of the injuried and hope they have a speedy recovery.
This was an unfortunate accident. We were lucky no one was killed. I can't believe some of the crap people post on this. No one wanted this.
I got a closer look the morning after.not as bad as thought. One Elevator melted / collapsed above the coker the fire was not that extensive at all. All lights were still functioning even at the top and the Canadian Flag is still flying right on top untouched or burned.
What does being union or non-union have to do with anything? Everything is inspected by certified inspectors so either way it would have to pass by them. The issue seems like a blow out from the coker, but there could be a billion possibilities. What I do know is that the fire department on site couldn't put this fire out and that they had to close the line.
Management this, fuck safety that, mothership this, alien that. If you think we go to work and dont take great care or each other youre fu#ked in the head. If you think management is not commited to safety, youre fu#ked in the head. Its a common thread with all you doomsayers and conspiracy nut jobs.....you have all the answers, you know all the information...enjoy youre ride home on the short bus you pathetic gossip mongering tards.
In closing, see ya all later. There is more intelligent conversations going on in other forums, that provide value to what the root cause of this is, rather than banter back and forth on who is better. Union Non-union Skilled Unskilled Black White Asian Etc, Etc, Etc. It just doesn't fkn matter. We are all in this together.
Another fault of CNRL is they like to side step proper processes regarding non-conformances.
CNRL upper management insist contractors address non-conformances through RFI's which totally defeats the purpose of learning and continually improve.
The fear there is Real Doucet (CNRL VP) receives all NCR's and site tends to bury real concerns in improper processes to not look bad in the Calgary Office.
I'm actually not that surprised that it blew. There have been leaks in around plant 33 and 31 for the last few weeks. Plus the fact that they were shut down for almost a month during some pretty cold temperatures, and fired up about 2 weeks ago
I was just making a point that it was a union company who built the coker yes english speaking Canadians were the minority. I have worked union and non-union both have their share of pros and cons so saying non-union scabs is the cause of this is about as intelligent of a comment as bringing in Americans to work just because they are IBEW and leave Canadians at home laid off. I'm just glad nobody got killed which is what should be commented about most!!
Technically the camp is still "on site" it's inside the security perimeter.. Otherwise security wouldn't have the authority to take your phones and cameras for taking pictures of the plant.
@rollinlowford you don't have a clue what you are talking about you wouldn't believe what had to be done to get that plant going for starters your union brothers at PCL labeled everything with duck tape and markers written in Italian so before you make another attempt at an educated comment go get educated!!!
@dodgechamp i was there i know..... thats what happens when cnrl cheaps out and hires forigners they werent building trades or part of the building trades
you want substandard check the caissons under the pipe racks.... out of a batch of 50 dug back and tested 35 failed.... there punishment ? redo the 35.... what about the thousands of others... ?
There was shitty work done by all, union and non-union.
Now before you pro-union idiots start hammering me I am not for union or non-union, only strive for the safety of all, and if you insist on taking this off topic. Unions fk up too.
I only respond because of the narrow minded mentallity of unions that they are best, "FALSE".
So why don't you union assholes grab some class and quit acting like 5th graders.
@111Ranchman im the 5grader and your calling people "Idiots" ? where did i say the cassions were the cause of the fire.... ? i didnt.
Quality work is done by skilled workers in which case how is a guy flipping burgers one day considered a skilled construction worker the next ? who has no clue what he's doing or if its been done right ? this is the clac way hire unskilled workers that are directed by one person. Maintenence unskilled workers equel this scenereo they didnt have a clue.
@waltflanigansDog8@111Ranchman Don't suggest I've made any statements regarding the health and well being of the people that work at these sites or the injured. Furthermore, neither of u know what I do for a living so theres no need to validate yourselves as employees previous or otherwise. Ranchboy says 'talking to walls' and 'one man can't make a difference' they are pathetic excuses. In order to earn the right to be Ranchman he needs to grow up and educate himself on workplace safety rights.
Like I said before, this is nothing. During the "Plume of Doom", Syncrude forced their construction workers to stay and work in a toxic cloud of gas for several days. Go to sparkwatch.ca, there's a documentary out about it.
@111Ranchman Sir, you are a grown man. If a site has issues whether it be faulty design of a structure or a banana peel laying on the floor, you have a mature decision to make on how to deal with it. This isn't The China Syndrome circa 1979.
I did make a decision to leave that site, after numerous reports to upper management and no change, who would not listen and it was like talking to a brick wall. The big wigs make the final decisions.
One person can not make a difference, we have to be united for safety.
People like you that have nothing better to do than accuse the poster of being an attention grabber, with no contribution to topic go crawl back in your hole.
@lanibibeau. Go back to your trailer park and bang your sister a little to clear you mind. Then come back snd try to insult people you stupid white trash incest faggot.
On the 10th of Jaunary 2011 a worldwide boycott of youtube will take place. Which means for one whole day no-one will visit youtube. We want VEVO (and other companies) and their f*cking ads OUT. Do your part sharing this comment on as many videos as possible and give this one a thumbs up
@Bankzd66 Making a broad generalization on people who do not agree with your ideals, doesn't necessarily make them a product of welfare if that's what you're getting at. Your ignorance leads me to believe that you were probably one of the zipperheads who was working on this catastrophe.
I love how all these comments are circulating to just NOW stop youtube, and it's not even for the right reasons. Where were you during the whole WMG fiasco? Yeah, that's what I thought.
What should happen is these oil company big wigs, who are fully aware of the problems that need fixing and ignore it, should do serious jail time when investigations provide evidence of guilt, especially when injury or death is a result.
Screw the fines, these V.P's making the decisions pull millions in bonuses, give em at least 10 years minimum in the can, for purely disregarding safety concerns.
And yes workers should be more proactive in making safety stand offs.
It was CNRL that decided it would cost too much money and time to fix. They were behind schedule and wanted it fired up, and I'm guessing they figured they could make more then enough money before it breaks to cover the cost of repair..
@Dickclickdawson No doubt it was, but the fact that operations was aware of the fact, makes this a bit of a scary situation. instead of standing down or refusing work, which would have brought light to the situation, they continued work until a catastrophe occured. Textbook case of blatant disregard for safety.
Talking to a CNRL operator earlier... They have know for over a year that the coke drum that blew was on a slant, as well they knew the drill bit was twisted, but didn't fix it..
@Dickclickdawson Now they'll know for over a year that somebody is going to wake up everyday disfigured, because nobody took action or stood down. I can't help but laugh at worker stupidity sometimes
Bunch of wackos. The incident has nothing to do with who built what. It's about the way they maintain it. Did u even consider that it was shit down for days just a couple weeks ago because of poor maintenance. Took them days to put on a weld. Then they start it up and boom.
To answer your question on responsibility, it's SUNCOR.
They were the prime contractor and everyone else was subs until fall of 2010, you moron, when they decided to issue lump sum hard dollar the contracts after it was a mess.
So who was responsible for the gasifier @ firebag..
..cause it took union workers to find all the wrong nuts ....gaskets ....and the fact that it was tied into the the WRONG FN' system.. ..a LIVE ONE @ that!!
FLINT AND LEDCOR WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO FUCK THINGS UP and 9 out of 10 times 488 fixes it!!!
I think this is all a hoax/scam to get Canadians to pay more per litre for gas because the recession is worse than the Can Gov is telling Canadians. But that is just my opinion. :)
@Alhambrattp pcl union company constructed it but clac worked on it during the shut down im not backing up pcl at all worst company i worked for and im working for them in sask
@111Ranchman i agree safety is everyones concern but non union doesnt care about what the end of the day product looks like all they care about is their 11 doller an ahour pay check no read seal j man for flint and leadcor union will always put in their best quality of work non union wont because they get ripped off by the company they work for !
@111Ranchman lol no its people like me (union) who do it right so why dont you go back to your non union wonderland (clac) and martin the fuck up and do it right
Just to clear up one issue about this fire that Coker tower was built by PCL and was all union so for those idiots who are blaming "non-union" workers suck that up retards.
I was there on site when it was being built, the office staff rotated so much that the only ones left were the ones who didnt see the amount of BS and runaround everyone was getting. I saw a guy walk out 3 days after being hired because there was so few competent people in the management where nothing could get done.
The union/non-union was not a problem, I saw some terrible work / work ethic on both sides but the real problems were sifted down from lack of issue response from site management.
Until a formal investigation is complete and a root cause is determined, one can only hope that all owners (not just CNRL) learn from this.
I agree with previous posts that we are all in this together (union / non-union) and should stand united for your fellow man in making it safer industry. Accusations on people without knowing thier qualifications is quite anal and narrow minded.
You union brat, what exactly are fixing at firebag? I was also there.
Maybe look at Jacobs engineering instead of the installer.
Goes to show the narrowminded union mentatlity.
Let's not forget the full blown halt in done by Suncor in 2009 at firebag, giving everyone 2 weeks to shut down and get out when the merge with petro was announced.
BE SAFE ALL OF YOU...MY HUSBAND JUST LEFT FOR WORK OUT THERE, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I WANTED TO SEE...LIKE I SAID PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER ALL OF THE TIME...:)
Fu nathanw2401. No one was in the unit eh. We my husband must be noone. U shouldnt flap ur gums about shit u have no clue about. Further more if noone was in the unit how did people get hurt. Once again I say Fu and shut up
does that matter when peoples safty come into question , me and many other need this to get the world to see how this place is ran , we need change and that is all i want , if we become a safer plant then my work is done
@JustSomeGuyOk Omg dont you know that the ads fund the youtubers, and their full time job is to make videos for youtube. So just look at the advertisements or just get adblock plus lol
@rollinlowford Thats right! The original intention of No Cameras in a live plant is Two Fold. 1st is safety, all it takes is a spark(something electrical making contact in the camera) to have an explosion. 2nd is Proprietary , some of the processes are exclusive to that company. This camera is outside of the live plant. This video does not reveal any exclusive proprietary processes due to the distance and quality of the video.
People in Canada have the right to know about this!
@superdrunkard2 That's something I like about that documentary at sparkwatch.ca - it applies to everyone who works in the tarsands, Union and non-union.
Anything made by human hands can go up in flame, sink to the bottom of the ocean, etc, etc, etc. Union/non-union, it doesn't matter.... I've worked up there for a couple of years now, and no one is getting pushed that hard. There is a lot of ways that things can go wrong and people refusing to help the other guy/girl do their job because they are union/non-union/western/eastern/Canadian/non-Canadian... that only makes these kinds of things that more likely to happen. Hope everyone is okay...
Funny, PUG, where the coker is, was a union job. But CLAC also worked on it. More importantly, we as tradespeople, need to take this as a wake-up call not to bitch about eachother but to look at this disaster as another reason to demand safer working conditions from CNRL. I've worked on the coker structure many times myself. You think the explosion/fire cared if the person getting burned/disfigured was CLAC or union. We're in this together as people and tradesmen, not members. Wake up.
... I wonder if he worked on the coker? In the midst of bitching about non union workers, no one addressed the fact that almost everyone went to work there hung over?
Oh Nathan how little you know.. I said we didnt... Get a raise in 2 years.. As well im good friends with a few of the Operators so i know for a fact from a CNRL employee that there were 3 CNRL workers in the unit at the time of the explosion, But keep flapping your gums I'm on site n I will find you eventually..
what about the offshore workers that during construction died when the tank they were working in colapsed ?? wheres the saftey there ? wheres the skilled trades... oh yeah they didnt want to pay for "skilled" trades.... just throw aways from another country.......something like the RAIL ROAD
dear dickclick dawson yes there are people working around the coker...I am one of them there putting up a f"ing hard baracade around it you tard also way past the fall zone of anything and by the way they can't just shut the damn thing down without screwing the whole place up and causing even more explosions you TARD and no one was actually working in the unit
Engineers are ultimately bare the most responsibility for this as they probably did not carry out a proper FMEA, HAZOP analysis.
CanadianIndian88 3 months ago
Looks like i was right About my predictions ! CCRL In regina finaly blew up on oct 6, 2011! These plant need to be checked out more by inspectors out of site like OHNS . Some Plants are just way to worn out or badly built . Better Quality control prevention also should be there once the plants are build and re started after a shutdown.....
neojames0077 3 months ago
Worked up there and found it and the majority of the people up there useless. If people spent as much time caring about their job and work they did, as they did bitching and moaning about who, from what union and what province people came from... this would never have happened. It's easy to point fingers and make excuses for shitty work. Just my opinion.
TheDavidMarr 5 months ago
Irony: racist jagoffs who can't spell boo criticizing non-English speakers. However, that aside, and looking past the union/non-union debate, you're left with some valuable tidbits about reality in an oilsands upgrader.
insitusux 7 months ago
Albian was built using union labour. When train one and two went up, were UA488 steamfitters to blame? They did the work after all.
-UA488Steamfitter
steamfitter 9 months ago
Reading further down ya its true it doesnt matter who done the work everything has to go through inspection sign off before it can be sold off. Management I dont even want to say anything of what I know for I know when the coker went on fire last year in Jan. had a shut down for 9 wks it wasnt as bad a this one there was a lot of safety and management that the men were told to overlook and if they spoke up they may not of had their jobs anyone that worked it knows what I'm talking about.
SuperOceangrl 9 months ago
Listen the reason so much is going on is they are trying to cut corners by taking in non-trained no-bodies and foreigners to do the work instead of wanting to pay union rate there is a reason for that rate its called 4 years of schooling and apprenticeship hours to get your journeymens to write your mandatory red seal to verify you know what you are doing now just learn as you go. I take it 0grob0 must be on of those a non-union.
SuperOceangrl 9 months ago
Union built the cockers on this site
0grob0 1 year ago
@0grob0 union built, brownie destroyed its a disease out there. !!!!
superdrunkard2 10 months ago
Atleast this mckay camp is not to bad,and wet. We'll get her fixed.
belltocher 1 year ago
Looks like I'll be makin money soon
jpfitter 1 year ago
wow i thought the hydro furnace would be the thing to explode not the coker but i thought it wouldn't last very long before it blew i am surprised it lasted this long
giggenca 1 year ago
thank god no body got killed ! I dont kow what happend but it might be an engenering problem ... If i can remember 3 asian died building a tank in the tank farm 4 years ago due to miss calculation on structural steal or something .. That plant has only been running for 3 years so they might have some defect on the coker or something ! If you look at suncor wich is in bad shape or ccrl in regina .... it make you wonder who will be the next one to blow up .....
neojames0077 1 year ago
@neojames0077 It's only been producing for about 2 years
cleetusmack 1 year ago
@cleetusmack ....2 or 3 years ...same thing budy ! My point is made ... thanks for the detail... I apreciate!
neojames0077 1 year ago
@neojames0077 anytime ace
cleetusmack 1 year ago
@neojames0077
The reason people are getting killed at CNRL Is because they are fucking cheap. They didn't want to pay the price at the time for quality tradespeople to work there. They never had anti-spiral cables temporarily securing the tank rafters and columns in place. When the wind picked up eventually after time it twisted the whole frame work causing it collapse.It is companies from other countries coming in with uneducated foreign workers. It should be banned.
scabwatch25 1 year ago
@scabwatch25 You brought a good point ! True on this quote !
neojames0077 10 months ago
This was an unfortunate accident, Thank god that nobody was killed, this could have been allot worse. My prayers go out to the families of the injuried and hope they have a speedy recovery.
mikewilliam81 1 year ago
ps.......... ranchmans an idiot
nesretep08 1 year ago
The coker that caught fire
youtube.com/watch?v=-D47Ga9NVtY&feature=related
deliveryguytoronto 1 year ago
This was an unfortunate accident. We were lucky no one was killed. I can't believe some of the crap people post on this. No one wanted this.
I got a closer look the morning after.not as bad as thought. One Elevator melted / collapsed above the coker the fire was not that extensive at all. All lights were still functioning even at the top and the Canadian Flag is still flying right on top untouched or burned.
deliveryguytoronto 1 year ago
What does being union or non-union have to do with anything? Everything is inspected by certified inspectors so either way it would have to pass by them. The issue seems like a blow out from the coker, but there could be a billion possibilities. What I do know is that the fire department on site couldn't put this fire out and that they had to close the line.
WuZei 1 year ago
@WuZei non union is the scab fucking shit show
scabwatch25 1 year ago
Management this, fuck safety that, mothership this, alien that. If you think we go to work and dont take great care or each other youre fu#ked in the head. If you think management is not commited to safety, youre fu#ked in the head. Its a common thread with all you doomsayers and conspiracy nut jobs.....you have all the answers, you know all the information...enjoy youre ride home on the short bus you pathetic gossip mongering tards.
nesretep08 1 year ago
@nesretep08
You seem quite angry, you must eat some vegetarian pizza and some free pop with your pop card!!
bluesmills 1 year ago
@bluesmills a jihad upon you and your family pet
TheKoolaidGirls 1 year ago
Oppps forgot one last story for you rollin.
Suncor Millennium was union.
A contractor supervisor hired his daughter as a QC Inspector for thier company.
Question:Guess what she was doing before that position was given?
Answer: Waitress and Hostess in a restaurant.
I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
111Ranchman 1 year ago
From everything I have read, not only here, it seems the big issue is CNRL management preventing proper maintenance for thier greed.
But again, guess we will see when the investigation is done.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
Another fault of CNRL is they like to side step proper processes regarding non-conformances.
CNRL upper management insist contractors address non-conformances through RFI's which totally defeats the purpose of learning and continually improve.
The fear there is Real Doucet (CNRL VP) receives all NCR's and site tends to bury real concerns in improper processes to not look bad in the Calgary Office.
Deep down I think CNRL will never learn.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
I'm actually not that surprised that it blew. There have been leaks in around plant 33 and 31 for the last few weeks. Plus the fact that they were shut down for almost a month during some pretty cold temperatures, and fired up about 2 weeks ago
fairplaychris 1 year ago
@jackpontiac52
I was just making a point that it was a union company who built the coker yes english speaking Canadians were the minority. I have worked union and non-union both have their share of pros and cons so saying non-union scabs is the cause of this is about as intelligent of a comment as bringing in Americans to work just because they are IBEW and leave Canadians at home laid off. I'm just glad nobody got killed which is what should be commented about most!!
dodgechamp 1 year ago
@rollinlowford
Technically the camp is still "on site" it's inside the security perimeter.. Otherwise security wouldn't have the authority to take your phones and cameras for taking pictures of the plant.
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
@rollinlowford you don't have a clue what you are talking about you wouldn't believe what had to be done to get that plant going for starters your union brothers at PCL labeled everything with duck tape and markers written in Italian so before you make another attempt at an educated comment go get educated!!!
dodgechamp 1 year ago
@dodgechamp Only italian! Gimmee a break! Written in 8 Languages, all of them illegible, including ENGLISH
TFW's program was a fiasco from start to finish. We could have got all the Union Brothers&Sisters we needed from the USA! I am IBEW.
jackpontiac52 1 year ago
@dodgechamp i was there i know..... thats what happens when cnrl cheaps out and hires forigners they werent building trades or part of the building trades
you want substandard check the caissons under the pipe racks.... out of a batch of 50 dug back and tested 35 failed.... there punishment ? redo the 35.... what about the thousands of others... ?
rollinlowford 1 year ago
@rollinlowford
Yeah you idiot.
The cassions were the result of the fire.
There was shitty work done by all, union and non-union.
Now before you pro-union idiots start hammering me I am not for union or non-union, only strive for the safety of all, and if you insist on taking this off topic. Unions fk up too.
I only respond because of the narrow minded mentallity of unions that they are best, "FALSE".
So why don't you union assholes grab some class and quit acting like 5th graders.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman im the 5grader and your calling people "Idiots" ? where did i say the cassions were the cause of the fire.... ? i didnt.
Quality work is done by skilled workers in which case how is a guy flipping burgers one day considered a skilled construction worker the next ? who has no clue what he's doing or if its been done right ? this is the clac way hire unskilled workers that are directed by one person. Maintenence unskilled workers equel this scenereo they didnt have a clue.
rollinlowford 1 year ago
@rollinlowford
Just goes to show your limited capacity to understand.
Have a look at the posters title- "CNRL Fire!!"
I believe this was posted to have a discussion on a industrial accident, making people aware.
Not a shooting match for unions and enviromentalists.
Of course everyone has thier opinion, it seems you have nothing better to do than point out errors by others that have nothing to do with the issue.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@rollinlowford
And fk off with unskilled /foreign workers, I have overseen unions with high weld repair rates, etc, etc, etc.
Don't want to get into a pissin match.
Just get it through your fkn head that no one is perfect and everyone has faults, skilled or un-skilled.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@waltflanigansDog8
I agree with your last post walt. Good comment.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@waltflanigansDog8 @111Ranchman Don't suggest I've made any statements regarding the health and well being of the people that work at these sites or the injured. Furthermore, neither of u know what I do for a living so theres no need to validate yourselves as employees previous or otherwise. Ranchboy says 'talking to walls' and 'one man can't make a difference' they are pathetic excuses. In order to earn the right to be Ranchman he needs to grow up and educate himself on workplace safety rights.
kodakZX1 1 year ago
@kodakZX1
I figured you didn't have the common sense to read through the crap and identify the real issue.
Get to the real discussion (minus the enviromental and union pointing fingers).
And to state I have to educate myself is quite an assumption.
I am a strong advocate for safety and quality. It's my job.
Pathetic excuses you say, you must be on crack. CNRL Management attitude there is "take it or leave it".
As previously stated, if u don't know or haven't been there, shut the fuk up.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
Like I said before, this is nothing. During the "Plume of Doom", Syncrude forced their construction workers to stay and work in a toxic cloud of gas for several days. Go to sparkwatch.ca, there's a documentary out about it.
AlbertaBeefMusic 1 year ago 2
@AlbertaBeefMusic is there a place where it is free to watch.
superdrunkard2 1 year ago
@superdrunkard2 It's an ebook about Syncrude poisoning thousands of their construction workers. sparkwatch.ca is the website.
AlbertaBeefMusic 1 year ago
Look everybody has worked on this knew that was possible a problem could happen No surprise there
ericjutt 1 year ago
@kodakZX1
Oh and btw kodak, there are some mouthpieces here that have no clue on what happens on this site.
On the other hand there is a select few who actually know first hand from dealing with V.P's and management onsite.
"False Generalizations" you say, there is more truth to safety on this site then you are lead to believe.
And anyone who says there is no issues there, either has no balls or is one of the idiots putting cost and schedule over safety and quality.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman Sir, you are a grown man. If a site has issues whether it be faulty design of a structure or a banana peel laying on the floor, you have a mature decision to make on how to deal with it. This isn't The China Syndrome circa 1979.
kodakZX1 1 year ago
@kodakZX1
And you should start from Post# 1 and read on.
I did make a decision to leave that site, after numerous reports to upper management and no change, who would not listen and it was like talking to a brick wall. The big wigs make the final decisions.
One person can not make a difference, we have to be united for safety.
People like you that have nothing better to do than accuse the poster of being an attention grabber, with no contribution to topic go crawl back in your hole.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
Interesting point sammy on the insurance,
OMI, I guess that's why they put Cost & Schedule over Safety & Quality.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
CNRL has a 2 billion dollar umbrella insurance package that cover lost time profits and will cover all the damages check out the CNQ stock page
sammysosashere 1 year ago
the reason i don't look at comments anymore.
everyone is always fighting over something and people thinking their so tuff..
"You fucking idiot why the fuck would you think that? lmao your probably some fucking (racial comment or ethnic comment) you bitch fuck oyu ashole"
Really? So you can swear good job your soooo superior- why do i even bother?
Grow up. Everyone. No one cares about you complaining. Dont have anything to say people want to hear? Then shut the fuck up its as simple as that
11northwood111 1 year ago
That is still part of the site. Within one of the many security checkpoints. Same disregard for safety as when the tank farms collapsed.
Weiirdo2 1 year ago
Thats filmed just outside the camp so it is still on CNRL property.
Flanman5 1 year ago
@Flanman5
it's in a designated area though where phones are allowed.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
@Alhambrattp
True....
Flanman5 1 year ago
Yum pollution :P
XKylaAndersonX 1 year ago
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McCheeselover 1 year ago
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155178631 1 year ago
why is this on the front page? This happens all the time....
FilghiProductions 1 year ago
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RiotousMisgif 1 year ago
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JustSomeGuyOk 1 year ago
Another disaster, why am I not surprised?
TeenageIronman 1 year ago
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InDiYeaHh 1 year ago
@InDiYeaHh wont work tool keep wasting ur time
tropicalthunder232 1 year ago
@InDiYeaHh lol
PunjabiPhreshh 1 year ago
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thoryn16 1 year ago
Lemme guess.. this is another uneducated Canadian dickhead posting shit to get fame and fortune on YT. Fail.
kodakZX1 1 year ago
@kodakZX1 lemme guess you're a know it all "American"
portuviejo 1 year ago
@portuviejo Wrong.. I'm CDN.
kodakZX1 1 year ago
@cleetusmack
Some people have to work so losers like you can comment on 18 second YouTube videos. Douche bag.
Bankzd66 1 year ago
@Bankzd66 Making a broad generalization on people who do not agree with your ideals, doesn't necessarily make them a product of welfare if that's what you're getting at. Your ignorance leads me to believe that you were probably one of the zipperheads who was working on this catastrophe.
cleetusmack 1 year ago
no adds NO UTUBE dum shits grow the fuck up tards n FUCK HATERS if that's U hahahahah fuck ya
jamesmfbond 1 year ago
I love how all these comments are circulating to just NOW stop youtube, and it's not even for the right reasons. Where were you during the whole WMG fiasco? Yeah, that's what I thought.
iamwalls 1 year ago
Yeah of course a boycott on youtube LOL!
simonsays1092 1 year ago
Did he die?
CTKuro 1 year ago
How does an 18 second video become one of the most popular so fast?
Tailwound007 1 year ago
Ahh to see my hometown in flames... like the hell hole it is. Good Fort McMurray, burn. Fucking burn, and take the crack heads with you please.
If Money is the root of all Evil, and Fort McMurray is the Root of all money... oh well... food for thought :D.
mbe102 1 year ago
hope all affected families of this make it through okay.
89leviathan 1 year ago
too bad its not the 4th of july :D
xXSk1llzTh4tK1llzXx 1 year ago
What should happen is these oil company big wigs, who are fully aware of the problems that need fixing and ignore it, should do serious jail time when investigations provide evidence of guilt, especially when injury or death is a result.
Screw the fines, these V.P's making the decisions pull millions in bonuses, give em at least 10 years minimum in the can, for purely disregarding safety concerns.
And yes workers should be more proactive in making safety stand offs.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@cleetusmack
It was CNRL that decided it would cost too much money and time to fix. They were behind schedule and wanted it fired up, and I'm guessing they figured they could make more then enough money before it breaks to cover the cost of repair..
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
@Dickclickdawson No doubt it was, but the fact that operations was aware of the fact, makes this a bit of a scary situation. instead of standing down or refusing work, which would have brought light to the situation, they continued work until a catastrophe occured. Textbook case of blatant disregard for safety.
cleetusmack 1 year ago
CNRL stock drops Weee! Good time to invest.
phasespace 1 year ago
Talking to a CNRL operator earlier... They have know for over a year that the coke drum that blew was on a slant, as well they knew the drill bit was twisted, but didn't fix it..
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
@Dickclickdawson Now they'll know for over a year that somebody is going to wake up everyday disfigured, because nobody took action or stood down. I can't help but laugh at worker stupidity sometimes
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johnnnnnnny86 1 year ago
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iNeedConcerta 1 year ago
Quite assumptious of you scarface, typical union attitude.
"I'm perfect and everyone else knows shit"
Let's just loose the ego and get back to the topic of everyone's safety and that has to start at the oil companys top dogs.
I am not clac nor building trades. So fk off punk.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
i told them to pay me my 5 cents!
JustSomeGuyOk 1 year ago
Ahmadayoub your an idiot
MTPT15212 1 year ago
I live just about 100km near their...:)
ShShill 1 year ago
FAKE.
EVERYONE KNOWS U CANT HAVE A FIRE IN WINTER.
DUHH
ahmadayoub 1 year ago
Bunch of wackos. The incident has nothing to do with who built what. It's about the way they maintain it. Did u even consider that it was shit down for days just a couple weeks ago because of poor maintenance. Took them days to put on a weld. Then they start it up and boom.
MTPT15212 1 year ago
Hey MrMclaren,
To answer your question on responsibility, it's SUNCOR.
They were the prime contractor and everyone else was subs until fall of 2010, you moron, when they decided to issue lump sum hard dollar the contracts after it was a mess.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
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Yourebuying 1 year ago
HEY RANCHMAN .. go fondle your cows you backwards country Alberta idiot!
MrMclaren15 1 year ago
So who was responsible for the gasifier @ firebag..
..cause it took union workers to find all the wrong nuts ....gaskets ....and the fact that it was tied into the the WRONG FN' system.. ..a LIVE ONE @ that!!
FLINT AND LEDCOR WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO FUCK THINGS UP and 9 out of 10 times 488 fixes it!!!
MrMclaren15 1 year ago 2
@MrMclaren15
keep dreamin...
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
I think this is all a hoax/scam to get Canadians to pay more per litre for gas because the recession is worse than the Can Gov is telling Canadians. But that is just my opinion. :)
RecycledTrashHole 1 year ago
Also daduke,
I find it quite amusing that you set up an account just to make an un-inteligent response like you did.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
MUST OF BEEN CLAC WHO WORKED ON IT
Scarface69690 1 year ago
@Scarface69690
MUST OF BEEN CLAC WHO WORKED ON IT
_________________
And another typical union response.
You guys just don't get it do you?
We are all in this together, union or non-union.
And safety is everyone's concern.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman
actually PCL a union company constructed it.
Alhambrattp 1 year ago
@Alhambrattp pcl union company constructed it but clac worked on it during the shut down im not backing up pcl at all worst company i worked for and im working for them in sask
Scarface69690 1 year ago
@111Ranchman i agree safety is everyones concern but non union doesnt care about what the end of the day product looks like all they care about is their 11 doller an ahour pay check no read seal j man for flint and leadcor union will always put in their best quality of work non union wont because they get ripped off by the company they work for !
Scarface69690 1 year ago
@Scarface69690
Grow up and quit sniffing glue.
You are absolutely wrong.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman lol how am i wrong we do it right the first time you non union? must be you fucken clac flag wavin fag
Scarface69690 1 year ago
@Scarface69690
Hey moron,
What you are wrong about is non-union people not caring about thier work.
Is that the best you can do by just shooting out insults.
Unions fk up like everyone else, so go back to your perfect union wonderland world.
It's idiots like you that make this a hateful world.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman lol no its people like me (union) who do it right so why dont you go back to your non union wonderland (clac) and martin the fuck up and do it right
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stone8675309 1 year ago
@Scarface69690 amen to that, flippin bergers at mcdonalds one day and a "journeyman" the next.... yeah right
rollinlowford 1 year ago 2
@111Ranchman Saftey and CLAC dont go hand in hand more coverups then then tigerwoods
rollinlowford 1 year ago
Just to clear up one issue about this fire that Coker tower was built by PCL and was all union so for those idiots who are blaming "non-union" workers suck that up retards.
dodgechamp 1 year ago
@dodgechamp built by union and worked fine maintained by scabs and BOOM !!
rollinlowford 1 year ago
Harizl
I agree, as I was also there in the early stages.
The V.P's only care about 3 things, Cost / Schedule / Bonus.
I was there when the tank columns collapsed, the first thing out of the V.P's mouth in a follow-up meeting after the incident was:
What's the recovery plan and what's the new schedule?
Needless to say my jaw dropped and eyes bugged after that intial comment.
I walked out of that meeting and gave my 2 weeks notice.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
I was there on site when it was being built, the office staff rotated so much that the only ones left were the ones who didnt see the amount of BS and runaround everyone was getting. I saw a guy walk out 3 days after being hired because there was so few competent people in the management where nothing could get done.
The union/non-union was not a problem, I saw some terrible work / work ethic on both sides but the real problems were sifted down from lack of issue response from site management.
Harizl 1 year ago 7
I have worked on numerous projects overseeing Unions and the mindset is horrible.
Here's some examples:
- Management is very militant and unresponsive to ligitimate owner requests.
- Workers hiding and charging time not being worked.
- Cost overuns due to rework.
- Workers don't care because if canned, will just go pull another slip from the hall.
- Insuficient documentation
So I guess the union is not the perfect world that many of you are brainwashed to believe.
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zxzxJoKeRThEiFzxzx 1 year ago
Until a formal investigation is complete and a root cause is determined, one can only hope that all owners (not just CNRL) learn from this.
I agree with previous posts that we are all in this together (union / non-union) and should stand united for your fellow man in making it safer industry. Accusations on people without knowing thier qualifications is quite anal and narrow minded.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
It seems a lot of fingers are being pointed.
Hey all you Union idiots that think the world revolves around you, got a news flash for ya, you aren't the only qualified people in the industry.
Typical reponse is "non-union had thier hands on it" so it's thier fault.
I have been in this industry for 25 years, and many times union members are out of work and come to work non-union to keep the bread on the table.
Hope this can be learned from so we all (union / non union) can go home safe.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
@111Ranchman
we can fix it just like we are fixing firebag screw ups, thanks scabs
daduke488 1 year ago
@daduke488
Hey daduke,
You union brat, what exactly are fixing at firebag? I was also there.
Maybe look at Jacobs engineering instead of the installer.
Goes to show the narrowminded union mentatlity.
Let's not forget the full blown halt in done by Suncor in 2009 at firebag, giving everyone 2 weeks to shut down and get out when the merge with petro was announced.
No chance properly close things out...
Another one brainwashed by union propganda.
111Ranchman 1 year ago
And while i'm on my rant.. CNRL HAS AN OPERATIONS PROBLEM , THAT'S WHERE THE SAFETY PRBLEMS ARISE...
op's assist @ CNRL is like playing RUSSIAN ROULETTE!
MrMclaren15 1 year ago 2
THE HYDROGEN UNIT SHOULD BE EVERYONE's CONCERN..
NOT JUST HERE BUT @ EVERY SITE FROM McMURRAY TO EDMONTON.. the average person has'nt a clue...
FORT SASKATCHEWAN IS A HIROSHIMA WAITING TO HAPPEN.. as for McMURRAY... WHO GIVES A FUCK, BLOW IT UP AND EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS BIG OIL!!!
MrMclaren15 1 year ago
BE SAFE ALL OF YOU...MY HUSBAND JUST LEFT FOR WORK OUT THERE, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I WANTED TO SEE...LIKE I SAID PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER ALL OF THE TIME...:)
seaheather100 1 year ago
Can you say "Flare"? Sure... knew you could
TheJazzgate 1 year ago
Fu nathanw2401. No one was in the unit eh. We my husband must be noone. U shouldnt flap ur gums about shit u have no clue about. Further more if noone was in the unit how did people get hurt. Once again I say Fu and shut up
MTPT15212 1 year ago
does that matter when peoples safty come into question , me and many other need this to get the world to see how this place is ran , we need change and that is all i want , if we become a safer plant then my work is done
TheJoshinder 1 year ago
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JustSomeGuyOk 1 year ago 6
@JustSomeGuyOk fuck vevo!
Undead654 1 year ago
@Undead654 against their will!!! in an alley!!!
JustSomeGuyOk 1 year ago
@JustSomeGuyOk Omg dont you know that the ads fund the youtubers, and their full time job is to make videos for youtube. So just look at the advertisements or just get adblock plus lol
sumit258369 1 year ago
@RichardsTown
Have you ever heard of "Theft of information"? The picture was taken of someone elses property n shared with the world without the owners permission..
I take your picture, I need you to sign a disclaimer to allow me to share it to the public..
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
@Dickclickdawson not if it was taken in a public spot then its fair game
rollinlowford 1 year ago
@rollinlowford Thats right! The original intention of No Cameras in a live plant is Two Fold. 1st is safety, all it takes is a spark(something electrical making contact in the camera) to have an explosion. 2nd is Proprietary , some of the processes are exclusive to that company. This camera is outside of the live plant. This video does not reveal any exclusive proprietary processes due to the distance and quality of the video.
People in Canada have the right to know about this!
jackpontiac52 1 year ago
Its raywillianjoHnson not raywilliamjonson u dumbfuckkkss
kamkam604 1 year ago
@kamkam604 umad?
GooGobbler113 1 year ago
Not the real RWJ you fucking tards
SillyRaps 1 year ago
RWJ commented on this!!!!! 2 below me ahaha oh and cool vid btw :]
Frostedchunks 1 year ago
I live here and raywilliamjohnson just commented on this omg
Intervention2299 1 year ago
KISS THE OZONE GOOD BYE! LOL
101swat101 1 year ago
cool.
RayWiIIiamJonnson 1 year ago
How about Syncrude poisoning thousands of their construction workers with the "Plume of Doom"? Check out the documentary at sparkwatch.ca.
AlbertaBeefMusic 1 year ago
@AlbertaBeefMusic would have bee nice to see, to bad its want ya to pay to watch
superdrunkard2 1 year ago
@superdrunkard2 It's an eBook. But the website kinda says it all, doesn't it?
AlbertaBeefMusic 1 year ago
@superdrunkard2 That's something I like about that documentary at sparkwatch.ca - it applies to everyone who works in the tarsands, Union and non-union.
AlbertaBeefMusic 1 year ago 4
My mom works for CNRL and she sometimes visits this place. She talked about how this happened just recently
AcemanR 1 year ago
Heaven in Alberta...Where they got all hell for a basement.
manalishi911 1 year ago
@manalishi911
that's actually a reference by Rudyard Kipling about Medicine Hat...
and LOL at anyone who's blaming this on union/non-union..
meganhughson 1 year ago
CNRL never had the greatest safety record, oh well, accidents happen, learn from mistakes.
bladeere14 1 year ago
Anything made by human hands can go up in flame, sink to the bottom of the ocean, etc, etc, etc. Union/non-union, it doesn't matter.... I've worked up there for a couple of years now, and no one is getting pushed that hard. There is a lot of ways that things can go wrong and people refusing to help the other guy/girl do their job because they are union/non-union/western/eastern/Canadian/non-Canadian... that only makes these kinds of things that more likely to happen. Hope everyone is okay...
phuyter 1 year ago
Funny, PUG, where the coker is, was a union job. But CLAC also worked on it. More importantly, we as tradespeople, need to take this as a wake-up call not to bitch about eachother but to look at this disaster as another reason to demand safer working conditions from CNRL. I've worked on the coker structure many times myself. You think the explosion/fire cared if the person getting burned/disfigured was CLAC or union. We're in this together as people and tradesmen, not members. Wake up.
BrettSeemann 1 year ago 11
watch?v=LcabfzmW_fg
... I wonder if he worked on the coker? In the midst of bitching about non union workers, no one addressed the fact that almost everyone went to work there hung over?
cleetusmack 1 year ago
To all you Union lovers... Suncor blew up a coker as well a few years ago... They're union!!!
PETE6208 1 year ago
is this in Alberta?
EuropeanDeity 1 year ago
@nathan2401
New guys who works for skyway B shift days is in for a suprise in the morning!
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
@nathanw2401
Oh Nathan how little you know.. I said we didnt... Get a raise in 2 years.. As well im good friends with a few of the Operators so i know for a fact from a CNRL employee that there were 3 CNRL workers in the unit at the time of the explosion, But keep flapping your gums I'm on site n I will find you eventually..
Dickclickdawson 1 year ago
what about the offshore workers that during construction died when the tank they were working in colapsed ?? wheres the saftey there ? wheres the skilled trades... oh yeah they didnt want to pay for "skilled" trades.... just throw aways from another country.......something like the RAIL ROAD
rollinlowford 1 year ago 2
Word is, someones going to get fired, da da dunnnnnn. City wide rumour is all it is though... You are off site, from what i can tell by the fences.
ryanroflcopter 1 year ago
Hey Nathan anyone from Prince albert is a tard you bag licker and turn your fuckin music down
sammysosashere 1 year ago
Was I rickrolled?
BustinBeaver 1 year ago
and also dickclickdawson january 1st we got a raise bud
nathanw2401 1 year ago
dear dickclick dawson yes there are people working around the coker...I am one of them there putting up a f"ing hard baracade around it you tard also way past the fall zone of anything and by the way they can't just shut the damn thing down without screwing the whole place up and causing even more explosions you TARD and no one was actually working in the unit
nathanw2401 1 year ago
This is what CLAC is.... Substandard work.... nice job scabs
rollinlowford 1 year ago