Which Diet is Better : Raw Vegan or Cooked Vegan ? - Dr. Alan Goldhamer

[paisleyyama]

Good info.

[bluesdog88]

Starchy vegetables? Big banana snoothie is much nicer 1000 calorie + meal

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@bluesdog88 That's true. One just needs to learn to eat larger quantities of fruits and veggies. Then it wouldn't be hard to get enough calories.

[richiemonster3]

My issue with Dr. Goldhamer's point of view is that if one argues that humans have been processing their food with heat for such a length of time, one could argue that humans have been hunting and cooking meat for an equally long time. What I normally say when confronted with the latter is that just because humans have done some things for ever, doesn't mean they are optimal/correct/ethical today.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@richiemonster3 I agree with you completely. Also time is very relative. One might argue that Homo Sapiens have been hunting and cooking for a tiny percentage of the species existence on Earth.

[richiemonster3]

Firstly, reading lovebigboobs29's comments makes my brain bleed.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@richiemonster3 Brain bleed? That's not good!

[kratosSOZ]

thats why u get more of ur calories from fruit!. millions of years ago humans actually lived near the equator and lived off fruits.. originally we were frugivores

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@kratosSOZ that may be true but today most of do not live in tropical climates... please check out my interviews with dr doug graham and with dr gariel cousens where they each say that a 100% fruit diet is not healthy

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@kratosSOZ I agree, I guess it takes some time and practice to relearn to eat the way our fruit eating ancestors did (large volumes of fruit). Our stomachs might need to stretch a bit for that ;)

[nickorization]

Very very interesting.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@nickorization i love goldhammer. so real !

[lovebigboobs29]

The omnivore diet is superior to both.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@lovebigboobs29 in what way ?



[ohrhomboids]

I have alot of respect for Dr. Goldhamer, and think his work is awesome and love his book Pleasure Trap, but why didn't he entertain as a possibility eating more than two pounds of fruit per day?!? As someone who gets 4000-7000 calories a day on whole fresh ripe raw fruits and vegetables I'd like to know...

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@ohrhomboids from what i know he is ok with fruit in the diet. his point in this video was about how to get calories "if" you are having a difficult time consuming enough. make sense ?

[lovebigboobs29]

@ohrhomboids thats too many calories for anyone

[Gary1111001]

Societies are un-natural. You don't look to them to see what’s natural, you look at Orangutans, gorillas and bonobos.

I"m in central CA and eat a fruit-based diet for $6 a day(the Key: farmers markets) Anyone in a warm climate should give it a try.

Factor in cost SAVINGS: less lost work, dr. visits and bills, energy.

Elitist - Yes. Eat natural if you want to have an elite life.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@Gary1111001 good point about factoring in health costs and lost work days !

[sclaysdharma]

@Gary1111001 You might want to look further into the differences in the digestive systems of the animals you mention and human beings before you decide to use them as a guide for what makes up a natural HUMAN diet. Maybe it makes more sense to see what primitive man or hominids ate and go from there.

[Gary1111001]

@sclaysdharma (no need for a demeaning attitude; I know enough to make better choices than most people)

I know humans systems are not exactly like any other animal, but I know we're most similar to other primates, and very dis-similar to that of omnivores.

I'm guessing, by primitive man, you mean "Caveman".(Yep, I'm familiar with these lame debates, and I'm board) (but it's easy to paste that text I've developed over the years)

The Caveman lived in bad time and place,and ate whatever...cont

[Gary1111001]

....cont....

..ate whatever they could.

Homo Neandrathalis (cavemen) probably went extinct from the harsh (un-natural) conditions living out of their indigenous region (tropics).

We are Homo Sapiens

Our primate reletives eat high-fruit 80/10/10. So do I and the healthy people at 30bananas-a-day. The author of the book 80/10/10 has been on a fruit and veg diet for 30 years. How many guru's can say they've done their diet for 30 years? (see him on youtube: Fitness stunts, superman pushups.

[Gary1111001]

cont....

So, why follow the diet of people in harsh conditions

Why not follow what they ate in natural/good times; we're warm-weather animals. When there's plenty of fruit, human-like animals don't bother with animal products.

[sclaysdharma]

@Gary1111001 Homo Neandrathalis thrived for over 300 thousand years and probably became extinct because of their reliance on one food source(meat) and when this food source became scarce, so did they. We see this occur with many species which rely on on only on only one food source; meat or vegetation. Still, 300,000 years is not too shabby. I don't see a diet high in fructose as being very healthy. And consuming 870 grams of net carbs at one time does not seem like a smart thing to do to me.

[Gary1111001]

@sclaysdharma The bad press about fructose is based on GM refined HFCS (isolate anything and it's bad. ie pure oxygen is deadly, but you need oxygen). So you can't apply it to fruit.

There's no proof Neandrathalis THRIVED....... but high-fruit has plenty of proof on youtube alone - in the form of blood tests, dentists visits, endurance, strength (see Dougs fitness stunts), sustainability (see Doug), longevity (see Jay the juiceman at 90)

[sclaysdharma]

@Gary1111001 I don't really follow you here. Human beings are omnivores and evolved over 2.5-4 million years. So if you want to say they all lived in bad times at bad places, then that probably the most pessimistic viewpoint I have ever heard regarding the development of man. But, since I am no expert, then maybe you should see what Evolutionary Anthropologists have to say about the natural human diet.

[Gary1111001]

@sclaysdharma We haven't evolved into omnivores; no omni traits. As for evolution, our brains developed due to necessity(we're not as physically strong or fast as other animals.

Just saying the ice age was bad; 'We're not adapted to snow or cold.

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 We are 100% omnivores.

[Gary1111001]

@lovebigboobs29 Name ONE WAY in which we are omni, physiologically?(and don't say "CANINES!!" hoses have canines; they have nothing to do with meat).

Your channel is 100% boob. And so are you :P

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 Our bodies are made for both. Comparing us to some stupid ass animals means nothing. We are made different from them but are capable of digesting both animal products and plants. Vegans are idiots whom don't understand this.

[Gary1111001]

@lovebigboobs29 I understand the body can handle meat (btw, are Henry Ford, Einstein, and Pythagoras idiots?). But Cows have been fed meat too by the beef ind. the cows must be absorbing some of it, or the ind. wouldn't bother. BUT. . . cows are scientifically classified as herbivores. Same for Orangutans. They're build just like us.

You responded; but didn't say anything. U got nothing.

Anyone notice: people who call people idiots are often like pots calling the kettle black? Hmm?

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 They are nothing like us. Like i said we are made different from animals. We are made to digest both. Actually I am calling you guys idiots because you believe we are herbivores so No I am not an idiot. We are Omnivores 100%. Nice try tho. THere's no actual proof those people were vegetarian either. Were you friends with them?? Henry Ford?? LOL concidering Ford is the worst brand car made then he might be.

[Gary1111001]

@lovebigboobs29 "we are made different from animals" - We ARE animals. True, no 2 animals are exactly the same. I don't believe we are herbivores; biological comparisons show it.(Have you seen the chart I'm referring to)

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 We are not animals whomever thinks we are are total dumb shits. We are made different from animals. We are also above animals and not equal to. Damn you're an idiot if you think we are animals.

[Gary1111001]

@lovebigboobs29 I checked my messages today looking for a good debate; a challenge. Is all you can do call people idiots? (do u really think Scientists are idiots and religions have the facts??) (if we're not animals, it's strange that we fit into the physiological chart; and to the point of seeing what TYPE of animal we are)

Are y'all outa game?

Then "Un-lock the gate; un-twist your fate" - taste the freedom of a frugivore diet.

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 Thats nice but we aren't animals period. Scientists have theories not always facts. Yeah religion sounds more realistic then we are apes LOL. We aren't apes no matter what anyone says. I don't need to look at some bogus chart.

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 Ok mr evolution explain how the apes got here. Explain how the world got here. I dont believe shit in the bible but I do believe in a higher power whom created us. Not as animals but as humans. The animals were created as well but we aren't them.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@lovebigboobs29 please avoid using swear words in your posts or we will have to delete them. your points are very good without the profanity but diminishes its strength no almost nothing with 4 letter words. make sense?

[lovebigboobs29]

@TheCoolVegetarian I am sorry but I dont see how its that bad. The words are said everyday on a daily basis. I could understand is I was cussing him out but what I said I don't see as a big deal.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@lovebigboobs29 i hear you for sure as many tv shows, radio programs and movies have swears but that does not mean it is right or positive or respectful and we have decided that this channel is clean language only. hopefully this will not turn you off.

[lovebigboobs29]

@TheCoolVegetarian Its fine I understand. It doesn't bother me tho I find enertainment more entertaining TV,radio,movies etc with some cussing. But I will not cuss anymore on here. Sorry.

[lovebigboobs29]

@Gary1111001 I saw the chart. It doesn't mean shit to me concidering we aren't animals.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@lovebigboobs29 please refrain from swearing on this channel. lively debate is awesome but lets keep the language clean please *

[lovebigboobs29]

@TheCoolVegetarian sure

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@lovebigboobs29 so appreciated thanks !

[lovebigboobs29]

@TheCoolVegetarian You're welcome.

[lovebigboobs29]

@sclaysdharma You are correct we are Omnivores and our body does better on an Omnivore diet. Vegans are on an agenda to try and convert people to their unhealthy lifestyle. Its proven we are Omnivores and a balanced diet with both animal products and plants are healthier for us!

[magildeny]

makes sense... he's smart... there is a continuum most people need to start by eliminating sugar... good vid...

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@magildeny sugar oil & salts (SOS ) dr goldhamer is a solid man with good ideas

[natmanprime]

hahaa exactly, so basically, he's saying "go raw vegan, just don't be a religous asshole about it"

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@natmanprime agreed ! too many people take the Vegan movement way too seriously and honestly it does not help and only hurts the cause !

[natmanprime]

@TheCoolVegetarian u my bestest friend : )

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@natmanprime Right back at you !!! so glad that you like...

[traveln3]

I think Raw Vegan is probably the most nutritional, and most hardest diet to stay on. Many people hear about the great benifits of this diet and try to start it right away, however, failure to stay with this diet is high. I've found that one needs to transition for a few weeks(sometimes longer) before they can be totally commited to this change. Learning and practicing how to juice, dehydrate, ferment, etc. are very neccessary skills unless someone is going to do it for u :-)

[sclaysdharma]

@traveln3 yes, if you choose to be a vegetarian, no doubt this is the best option since you eliminate very problematic things like wheat and soy and other very processed foods and retain healthy enzymes. But you can not be lazy. Thats for sure.

[traveln3]

@sclaysdharma LOL

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@traveln3 agreed that slow and steady wins the race...

[lovebigboobs29]

@TheCoolVegetarian no it doesn't

[spareld]

@traveln3 I have to agree with this statement it's really hurt for me to eat just raw foods alone...i'm trying though...well I'll take that back i'm not really trying lol

[TheArtistNinja]

Your killing nutrients in food if you cook it. Its like saying "Hey! I have got food for you to digest, but little nutrients." The whole point to us eating is to gain nutrients. Bottom line. Now, I do believe people should go 50% Raw. Lets face it. During winter times, your gonna want soup.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@TheArtistNinja i live in canada and its tuff in the winter but i have been 100% raw vegan for 6 years. see my vid i made on it...

[rzarzarzarza84]

Or just eat the fastest, easiest food as a frugivore, fruit FTW!! (:

[MichaeLightify]

Look at the poster-childs for high fruit raw vegan diet, Durianrider and Freelee

their staples are bananas and dates, Durianrider has even written that he doesnt think anyone can be successful on that diet w/o bananas &dates as staples...

what happened? Disaster in Aussieland, bananas skyrocket to $11+ a pound , so for a time they were eating mostly all dates

healthy? i have my doubts, which is why i think having a large variety of (cheap) food options to choose from is quite the boon,

[TheArtistNinja]

@MichaeLightify That is why you grow a garden, or go to a local market.

[MichaeLightify]

@TheArtistNinja if you can make the diet work for you that more power to ya

I personally think a high fruit plant based diet has the potential to be an incredibly healing diet

but I am aware of the 'elitst' aspects of it and the diet very well may not be 'ideal' in many circumstances...

I think for the majority, a cooked vegetarian diet is most sanely attainable

a strict raw vegan diet has many potential problems which can be remedied by an intelligently planned cooked vegetarian approach

[TheArtistNinja]

@MichaeLightify Well, ahh. You do mean Vegetarian, as in; No meat and No Dairy right? Dairy is just as bad as meat. Harder on our pH's too. Well I think that the limit mostly should be 50%. Your going to want something warm during the winter! But over all I do agree with you half way. I don't think that everything should be cooked, but little should be cooked.:)

[Gary1111001]

@MichaeLightify Durianrider and Freelee choose to be endurance athletes; and still, I think they eat more than they need. (+ for high-cal theres 5 types of mangos, plantains, durian, pears).

Idk what the banana deal is in AU. In US, nothing has skyrocketed. I"m in CA, and eat a fruit-based diet for $6 a day (and get more types of food than SAD eaters!!) Anyone in a warm climate should give it a try.

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@MichaeLightify excellent points ! 

[VonLeachim]

interesting video, thanks.

- great to see a doc speaking openly and honestly

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@VonLeachim agreed. i think he is great because he speaks from a clinical proven results based practice

[Thornsome]

I have heard a study that showed how our immune system kicks in when cooked food is consumed, just as it does when white sugar is consumed. If so, this is not a good thing. Why not just increase our raw fruit consumption then?

[MichaeLightify]

@Thornsome because fruit is often super expensive and picked when unripe, or there is not enough variety combined with poor quality...

he says raw can be somewhat elitist, I say high fruit diet may be even more elitist...

even though a high fruit diet may be ideal in a perfect world, presently there are factors which may make it not so ideal for many, financial wise and availability...

having variety in the diet is crucial, I think in many cases a mostly fruit diet can be too limiting...

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@MichaeLightify i live in canada and for 7 months a year we do not have local supply of fruits or veggies so it is very expensive and difficult to keep up with good fruits without importing from all over the globe

[TheArtistNinja]

@Thornsome Well our body takes the nutrients out differently with cooked food.

[ThunderPreacher]

This is what makes most sense to me. A low fat, highest amount raw, lower amount cooked/steamed, whole foods vegan diet. Two out of my meals are completely raw, one is usually a mix.

Only vegan since 2004 myself, but it is never too late to start.

[MichaeLightify]

@ThunderPreacher that makes a lot of sense to me too :)

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@ThunderPreacher sounds great ! congrats *

[HealthFLI]

This brings up a great point about juicing + blending being something very recent compared to cooking + steaming, etc. Thanks again for a wonderful video!

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@HealthFLI i am 100% raw vegan and love to juice & blend :)

[MichaeLightify]

hi :)

I think cooked vegetarian is most approachable for the masses ...

After reading the Essene gospel of Peace I can see now how people can be raw for spiritual reasons...

We need more science telling us how harmful or not different forms of cooking actually are...

the fact cooked tubers and grains & rice,quinoa are very economical and proven very beneficial staples and highly nutritious is to be highlighted

[TheCoolVegetarian]

@MichaeLightify good info thanks !! i agree that more data is required