The Roman Catholic church is a disreputable institution. Many of the clergy are sexually frustated sad individuals who prey upon others. Believe me - I was one of their victims and I depise them.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life...
But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me;
if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.... I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”....
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
16 For GOD so loved the world that He GAVE HIS ONLY begotten SON, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM should not perish but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Magdalene722 A good point. Jesus Christianized the Jewish rites and rituals.
He catholicized the bread and wine. Something mundane is mundane until it is chritianized. Then it becomes a sacramental. Water is water but, when it is blessed at Easter it becomes Holy Water. This is different from the 7 Sacraments in the Catholic Church i.e. Baptism, Confession, Holy Communion, Confirmation,Holy Order, Holy Matrimony and Extreme Unction.Sacraments are instituted by Jesus Himself. See the bible.
If you want to learn the truth about Jesus Christ, search for "Church of Innerspace" in Google, click through to the website, and read what is said. What it says will drastically change your perception of Christianity.
The Catholic Church did not adopt pagan festivals; it Christianized them. This is one of the ways that the Church carried out its mission to share the Good News and evangelize the world. Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ, and Easter celebrates His Resurrection. Neither of these Holy days were celebrated by pagans because they did not know Christ. The Church gave new meaning to their pagan festivals to encourage them out of the darkness and into the light of truth.
demons decline from the truth.... and the truth kills them...misleading people by words of wisdom...christ founded his church 2000 years ago and up tp now catholic church still exist.... even the gates of hell cant destroy it,,,,
About Christmas, it's so funny and that other denominations attack Catholics on Christmas celebrations, when they too co-celebrate the Chistmas. Stop this hypocrisy. You even compose Christmas songs.
By the way, do you know that the word Bible also has pagan roots? If you hate Christmas because of its pagan roots, logic demands that you should hate the Bible too.
. . . firm beliver of Infant Baptism. He even expelled Thomas Munzer to Wittenberg because Munzer was against infant baptism.
Like I said, tell one verse in the Bible that condemns Infant Baptism. You would nt find a record of early Christian writers condemning the practice, but much is written to support it. Research for writings of early church Fathers (Ireneus and Origen) about infant baptism. These persons were diciples of the Apostles.
The Bible does not explicitly CONFIRM or CONDEMN infant baptism.. BUT it is likely that when Paul baptized the entire household of Lydia and Stephanus, there are infants there. In Col 2:11-12, Paul alludes that baptism has replaced circumcision. We all know that circumcision takes place on the 8th day of the baby. Jesus said, that we should not hinder children to going unto Him. Why we will we not allow infant to receive grace from God.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches unbiblical doctorines like the Age of Accountability and celebrates Pagan festivals Like Christmas and Easter, Also batpizes Infants which is completely unbiblical.
@Mcstroke57 Ahhh, redundant and boring! 1) For the Age of Reasoning read Isaiah 7:15. In your world all boys should all be circumcised at the age of 13 then right? 2) All of Rome used to be pagan and polytheistic so to counter act this they simply swapped ideals when Christianity took over. It blotted out pagan idealism, so what? 3) Before you go off on the original church of Christ get your facts straight. Let me guess, you're part of one of the 30,000 franchise like sects of Christianity?
Religion is poison for who? For you josparkles1? Do you have trouble submitting to the will of an Eternal GOD whom created you out of pure Love and gives a govt (church) on earth to keep us from falling away from grace? I perceive you have trouble with obedience, GOD Bless+++
@josparkes1 No I do not have to come on this site, however this is You Tube where one can comment in order to enable others to think. I do NOT respect religion, it is a toxic virus which poisons everything and should be treated with ridicule and contempt.
@roac7777 If you think this, then you probably have your reasons, and whatever they might be is your business, but I will tell you now that you have made some very hurtful comments and it is comments such as these which can and do genuinely upset a lot of very genuine Christian people, who are kind, good and unselfish, and who would do anything to help those in pain and sorrow. I do not know how you can say something like this, as the Christians I know are the soul of kindness !
@josparkes1 Religion hurts people, Christians are murdering homosexuals in Africa. There are good religious people and bad as there are good atheists and bad. It is their religion I despise and the chains it puts on them. Religion robs us of our integrity and intelligence and hijacks our morals and humanity.
I do not have the space here to elaborate in one paragraph. However I am more than pleased to do so by writing to you on your "send message" section of your channel.
@josparkes1 Additional: In case you are wondering; no I am not homosexual, I mention the subject as I hate oppression of any kind. The Bible is wrong about homosexuality and sex between consenting adults. It is not moral to kill homosexuals or young single women, for having a private sex life.
As for the story of Jesus, if true, I admire the good man Jesus, but not the scoundrel Christ.
@roac7777 You have absolutely NO authority to define what is "right" and what is "wrong". Only God has that authority. The Bible is not wrong because it, unlike you, is the ultimate authority of what is right and wrong.
It is immoral to kill homosexuals or anyone for that matter, because GOD says so, not you.
It is also immoral to commit fornication (sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman). Why? Because it's God's law. Neither you or I have authority to say otherwise.
@drdst17 Not so, I have every right to define what is right from wrong. So does every moral and sane person in the world. God does not count he does not exist. If you go by your God's morals then it would be ok to kill single women for having private sex life, ok to kill young men just because they are homosexual, ok to kill our mothers for wearing 2 different threads on a garment. We obtain our morals and ethics via our evolutionary genetic makeup, we are moral despite any god.
@roac7777 No, you cannot define right from wrong because again, you have no authority - you are a flawed, sinful human being who is not very long for this Earth. God's law is ultimately the Truth because it is He who created the World. He existed long before you were ever born, and will exist long after you are dead and forgotten about.
He is the Infinite: you and I are NOTHING in comparison.
@drdst17 Well this is where we fundamentally disagree, you think there is a god and I have found no scientific evidence that there is a god, whether it be yours or Zeus, Thor or Baal. All gods are man made and the god of Abraham is a particularly genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic sadist. I, like all sane, moral persons have absolute right to know what is right from wrong.
I think that is the end of this discussion I do not engage in conversations that just go round in circles
@roac7777 Isn't completely ruling out the possible existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god intellectually dishonest?
- " I have found no scientific evidence that there is a god" -
There is no scientific evidence that scientific evidence is reliable scientific evidence. Also, you must *believe* that scientific evidence is the ultimate stick with which one should measure reality (BTW, what is "reality"?). And, you have to believe that what you didn't find was what you were looking for.
@TenderTrap86 No it is not dishonest, eg: this planet orbits the sun, evolution is a scientific fact, etc etc. Scientific facts are the only truth. Religion relies on faith which is the belief in something without evidence. Faith is not enough for me. The other reason for my atheist stance is on ethical grounds, the teachings of the 3 monotheist religions, Judaism, Christianity & Islam are immoral & depraved.
@roac7777 - "No it is not dishonest, eg: this planet orbits the sun, evolution is a scientific fact," -
You have to *believe* that scientific facts exist. You also have to *believe* scientific facts are the only truth. You have a *belief* about what truth is.
How do you know reality is real? If any of this is real? One can only *believe*, or else live an rediculously, absurd life.
PS What is immorality? What is depravity? Why do you *believe* monthiestic faiths to be these things?
@TenderTrap86 Alot of questions not really enough room here to explain but I will try.
Firstly on belief: I believe in things which have evidence to back it up, that is why I believe in science and scientific truth which is the only truth. That covers historical evidence as well.
Secondly reality: I know what reality is because I have a brain and I think, therefore I am. (In other words I exist and the material world exists.
@roac7777 What are you? A psychiatrist? That's very intellectually dishonest of you because psychiatry's a science, and you just called me insane without even having applied any of that science. How long have you been a hypocrite?
@TenderTrap86 I do not need to be a psychiatrist to know that your comments come from an insane mind. You say things like "How do you know what is reality", I said "I think therefore I am" Rene Descartes said this when speaking about reality and the environment in which he and everyone lives.
It is you who is the liar when you say I am being dishonest.
By the way you have not proved the existence of your god, I am still waiting to hear.
@TenderTrap86 Additional: In order to make myself clearer: You have repudiated science and in particular my view of reality. This means you are either unbelievably ignorant or you are insane.
@TenderTrap86 Additional: Morals & Immorality: These are subjective, what was moral 300 years ago is not considered moral now: We humans obtain our morality from our evolutionary, genetic code. We know that rape and murder is wrong. Regarding sex it is the absolute right for any consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual, no one has the right to judge or interfere.
@drdst17 Additional: You also do not know your Bible: God does say you should kill homosexuals and yes God does say it is immoral to have sex outside marriage, that is why I say God is immoral and depraved.It is the absolute right for any consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere least of all your non existent, genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, sadistic tyrant god.
@roac7777 first of all some bibles r differnt so dont talk crap buddy my uncle died n saw jesus as he said confess ur sins thencam back to life after they preformed cpr
@chrisandalexashow Just look at your comment, I think you have just shot yourself in the foot. Do not get lost in thought you would be in unfamiliar territory. As for your uncle I am not impressed, people say what brings them comfort, it is not truth.
@josparkes1 Look again at some of the comments made by your fellow Catholics, you will then understand why I disrespect them and their religion. You should understand also that I despise ALL religion I do not solely feel contempt just for Christianity.
@roac7777 It's okay, I spit on the false religion of Atheism - it is a hideous lie that has brought me nothing pain, sorrow, and addiction as I masturbated my ego to the point of deification. It was only the revelation of Christ's Truth that caused me to return home to the House of my Father.
But I don't disrespect you - only the poison that spews from your maw. May our Lord Jesus Christ find you one day and spare you from the pain you currently suffer under.
@drdst17 Just saw your comment about you being hurt by atheism, what nonsense. We atheists believe that you should live life with a sense of joy and wonder and be thankful we are alive. The only sorrow that you may have felt is or was, caused by someone being nasty to you or you being depressed about something.
It is religion that brings grief, pain and poverty. Relgion is fraudulent, devisive, stops independent thinking and is dangerous.
I being alive today, is already a miracle, having to talk to you about God, is a greater miracle.
I believe that God is around us, in us, and can do everything through us.
I believe in one God, the creator. All others who are not creators are not Gods (for lack of the ability to create/sustain/renew). Religion is man's quest to find answers to questions he is not able to find solutions to (1. problem of evil 2.death 3.meaning of life)
Bishop Alfred Willis from England landed in here 1902 , grandpa and the rest of the congregation saw Jesus`s image appearing on the Bishop`s chest for a while than it disappeared . If Catholicism is the true church , do they recognise other miracles being present in other denominations ? nope....who cares......we are on our way to heaven not to the VATICAN .......
@Nimo753 Typical, everyone thinks they know god. No one does, apart from the main fact that he does not exist no fellow primate has special powers more than myself or anyone else.
@roac7777 "Typical, everyone thinks they know god. No one does, apart from the main fact that he does not exist no fellow primate has special powers more than myself or anyone else."
And yet you haven't proved that. Whatever happened to proof these days? You have yet to show that if nothing cannot create something then what does that leave us with? Oh but let's just leave it there because the question poses a threat to you. Hmm, seeker of truth indeed.
THIS FACT! The Catholic Church has always tried to keep the European as dumb possible. An example of this hiding of truth can be seen in the coverup of the Pedophile Priest and Gays that run the Catholic Church. The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, WWI, and WWII, all involve the Catholic Church manipulating, lying to, stealing from, and murdering the people of Europe. WWII is nothing but the Catholic Church and Rothschild using Ashkenazi Khazars(non-Semites/Zionist) for another Crusade.
Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel’s Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
The Catholic church is guilty of murdering thousands of innocents in the last 1,000 years by burning so called heretics, abuse of children in it's care. The death and poverty of thousands of Africans, by saying the use of condoms is bad. The persecution and killing of homosexuals in Africa and that wicked, mentally ill fraud the so called Mother Teresa.
@roac7777, well your opinion is how you see it all. But I think you should do a bit of research before you speak up. I think you may well be the only person who feels that way about Mother Theresa...
@stevesilvia I have done my research, I suggest you do the same. It is not just my opinion, there are many who ar now enlightened by the truth of Mother Theresa's wickedness and that of the Catholic Church who used her. Look up Chris Hitchens on this subject and also other tv documentaries. You can watch them here on You Tube.
@stevesilvia I have done my research, you should do the same, there are many enlightened people like myself who are aware of this Albanian nun's fraudulent work. She is also responsible for many deaths in Africa by preaching that condoms should not be used, (the party line of the Catholic church, amongst many of its depraved teachings).
@roac7777 And we are also guilty of spreading our faith and also dying for it for the past 2,000 years. Yea the use of condoms is bad, and why have sex in the 1st place if your not married? Why do you think there is so many diseases and one way to stop it is not doing it in the 1st place don't you think? How about abortion thats is something that is happening right now and there are millions of unwanted babies being killed everyday that didn't have a choice how about you talk about that?
@villian714 Who says wearing condoms is bad? Oh I know the Pope & the immoral Catholic church.Why have sex you ask, I will tell you why, it is because I am a man and I enjoy having sex and I do not need to be married. As for sexually transmitted diseases, THAT IS WHY IT IS WISE TO WEAR A CONDOM, if you have not know your lover for very long. Sex is part of our human genetic makeup, as primates we enjoy sex it is not just to make babies.
@roac7777 pre-marital sex is bad and using condoms is bad too. I am a man too and sex doesn't make me more or less of a man. If you want to have sex with out our marriage deal with the consequences of your actions and don't wimp out when you get a disease and say that God cursed you because you did that to yourself.
@villian714 I say again, who says sex is bad before or out of marriage, by what authority do you say that. I have had sex with several women and never have contracted an std. I now have a girlfriend with whom I have lived with for 2 years and never contracted an std. So your idiotic statement that if you have sex out of marriage makes you obtain an std is a lie. You are a tunnel visioned frustrated old virgin. So fuck you and your god.
@roac7777 Well then consider your self lucky that you haven't but even in Russian Roulette someone gets the bullet. And plz don't put words in my mouth, and what makes you think I am old and frustrated? You are here criticizing my belief and you still say "who says sex is bad before or out of marriage" are you serious? Then you use vulgar language to diss me and my God, because I don't agree with your actions wow. Its sad that you have to have sex with your girl just to keep her.
@villian714 I dont just have to have sex with my girl to keep her you moron. You know nothing. You are old in your outlook of life. Your god is immoral and depraved and the ironic thing is he does not even exist. Still its a free country if you wish to be deluded all your life that is your affair. My motto is live life with a sense of wonder and enjoyment, strive to do no harm and enjoy your own sex life and leave others to enjoy theirs which is none of your business.
He can't be that if he doesn't exist. Your position is a tad silly don't you think?
"My motto is live life with a sense of wonder and enjoyment, strive to do no harm and enjoy your own sex life and leave others to enjoy theirs which is none of your business."
The NHS of Great Britian has warned of the extreme health risks of sodomy and of those who lead sexually active lifestyles. You're warped morals are in the minority. Thank God!
@TheManGadoosh What are you talking about man, I do not personally engage in anal sex or homosexual sex but that does not give me or anyone else the right to judge or condemn those that do. Anal sex is perfectly safe when condoms are used, the NHS also tells us that. Many homosexuals just engage in oral sex and considering many heterosexuals do as well the risks and the morals stand for both sexual orientations. It is you who is not only silly but also sexually repressed.
@roac7777 "What are you talking about man, I do not personally engage in anal sex or homosexual sex but that does not give me or anyone else the right to judge or condemn those that do."
I never said you did engage in it.
Anal sex isn't safe and since the NHS warns us that it isn't and that condoms break [1 in every 10] then it is the height of stupidty to play Russian roulette with your life and to be told that this is normal. A crazy person can see that it obviously is not.
@TheManGadoosh My remark about god being immoral is to show that far from being a celestial phenomenon god is purely man made. However if the god of the Bible, Koran and Torah actually existed then indeed he is guilty of the crimes I before mentioned. It is mankind that is moral despite god and religion, however mankind can also be genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic and sadistic. Men invented god for control over women and the masses.
@roac7777 "My remark about god being immoral is to show that far from being a celestial phenomenon god is purely man made."
Your opinion of course :) Mankind gets its morals from God and religion. You have it back to front. Where does your moral compass stem from?
If man invented god to control woman and the masses, then explain female godess worship and the fact that the majority of people on this planet freely believe in God?
@TheManGadoosh Mankind certainly does not get morals from god or the Bible. If we all followed morals from the Bible we would be killing those who worked on Sundays, killing homosexuals, killing anyone who has sex before or out of marriage I would have the right to burn my mother alive if she wore two different threads of garment, and that is just the old testament, its not until gentle Jesus meek & mild comes along that the real fun begins, then you have a god who wants to torture us forever.
@roac7777 wow dude, you're so dumb. You just list alot of stereotypical and extreme views of Catholicism. You're obviousely not educated about this religoun. And the catholic church is ran by man under the name of god, even man make mistakes as shown in history. But if there is a god then there is a devil, and he's loving what kind of ignorant shit you're posting on this youtube videos. I'm not going to fight with you, but I'll pray for you. and I wish you a better life
@warhero1645 "wow dude, you're so dumb. You just list alot of stereotypical and extreme views of Catholicism. You're obviousely not educated about this religoun."
It's 'religion' not religoun. What was that you mentioned about being dumb? :)
"And the catholic church is ran by man under the name of god, even man make mistakes as shown in history."
@TheManGadoosh i'm 15 years old, excuse me for having a few spelling mistakes. and wow, get a life. you make this whole web page look like a book. You're only proving you can be an ass, if you don't agree with catholicism, then stfu about it. I don't go on other peoples religions and spam the whole comment log with abunch of my opinions. and yes, you are dumb. You're so dissrespectful and rude, it's people like you that cause problems, I wish you could just be respectful. your not a bad person
@warhero1645 "I'm not going to fight with you, but I'll pray for you. and I wish you a better life"
Thanks. But I don't see the point in you praying for me when such a concept is alien to the atheistic mindset. Your a walking contradiction. But thanks anyway and you have my permission to pray for me and I will pray for you, and I hope you have a better life also.
@roac7777 "Mankind certainly does not get morals from god or the Bible. . . and that is just the old testament"
Where do you think the Western civilizations got their morals if it wasn't from God or the Bible? Thin air? The laws of the land are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and that is a fact which you cannot dispute. Unless you want to rer-write history.
@TheManGadoosh Not thin air from the reasoning of our brains. Homo Sapiens (that is us) have been on this planet for at least 100,000 years, According to your logic your god waits with folded arms for 98,000 years before intervening and sends his only son to be tortured and killed so he can forgive everyone. Some father, why could he not just forgive? Your god is inept at best and a sadist and cruel dictator at worst. ~We were moral long before Jesus came along
@TheManGadoosh A word on North Korea that is what heaven would be like, at least you can die in North Korea then the bastards cannot touch you, whereas your god, if he were real, would be torturing people after they are dead.
@roac7777 "A word on North Korea that is what heaven would be like"
Then you're a psycho.
"whereas your god, if he were real, would be torturing people after they are dead."
The fact that you believe God does that shows how much you know of Christianity. It's rather amusing watching you commit one blunder after another, and If heaven were like North Korea, then you would be getting tortured after death. Go look at Amnesty international on North Korea LOL.Can you get any more sillier?
@TheManGadoosh Psycho, not so. If there was a heaven you would have to sing your god's praises every day. He is a god that punishes for thought crime, eg: 10th Commandment. At least in North Korea the authorities do not do that. You must agre that Nrth. Korea is one of the most despicable regimes ever invented by mankind, your god is worse. Your comment about Amnesty International has no bearing on this debate and is therefore irrelevant.
@roac7777 That's really nice. Just you dodge the question and I won't notice. Sorry, but not letting you away with this. So show me were science says that nothing can create something? If you can show me this, I will leave Catholicism today. Same challenge, different day. Chop chop.
@TheManGadoosh I am not dodging anything it is you who does so. Science has never and does not say nothing can create something, only you have said that. Read about evolution &cosmology. I will help by saying, listen to a Brian Cox video here on You Tube explaining about the Big Bang and also what caused the Big Bang. You can obtain information from your nearest library, science teacher, museum etc.
Use your brain and think during & after you have found the information science has to offer
@roac7777 "Science has never and does not say nothing can create something, only you have said that."
Then why do you believe that it can?
"the Big Bang and also what caused the Big Bang."
Then there MUST be a FIRST cause that had NO CAUSE because NOTHING cannot create something. If nothing cannot create something, then for something to appear then there has to be something that cannot be caused. If not then YOU have to believe that nothing can create something and contradict yourself
@TheManGadoosh What happened before the Big Bang, scientists are not sure, I suggest you look at a video I am going to send you. Its called ~"What happened before the big bang". This is only speculation and not proven. Now before you get all excited and say "well god must have done it", because something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. I've said it before, it's not for me to prove god does not exist but people like you to prove god exists.
@roac7777 (1) The video gives several options (1) there was no time. (2) Multple-universes and (3) Membrane
The 1st states that since there is no time there can only be eternity in it's place. And we say God is eternal.
The 2nd and 3rd don't change the nature of the question. The same question applies to ALL. Since nothing can create something, then there HAS TO BE a un-caused cause. Unless you are willing to believe that nothing can create something. So you are back to square one. Nice try.
@TheManGadoosh Not so, I say again, just because science as yet does not know the answer it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. I say again, it is for you to prove to me that there is a god and not my job to prove to you there is not a god. You are the one that is selling an idea without evidence. I can sell you evolution or the fact that our planet orbits the sun because there is evidence.
@roac7777 "Not so, I say again, just because science as yet does not know the answer it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background."
But the fact is that there HAS TO BE something lurking in the background which is un-caused. If not, then nothing CAN create something. If there has to be an un-caused cause, and there has to be, then I have proven that God (the uncaused cause) exists.
So what is it???? Nothing creates something or an un-caused cause??????? Enlighten me!
@TheManGadoosh You ask me to enlighten you, I can only do that if you open your mind and not be fixated on your god. Just for a moment leave god out of the equation. If you listened to Brian Cox on what happened after the big bang he explained that particles smaller than atoms began to form that were not there before the big bang and that time may not have existed as time will not exist when the universe comes to an end. Something happened but as yet we dont know what.
@roac7777 You ask me to open my mind. Ok, let me ask this question which coincidentally, I have several times without any joy. If nothing cannot create something then does this not mean that there logically has to be an un-caused cause? Because if not, then wouldn't you agree that nothing can create something?
It has to be one or the other. Please don't divert from this as it only shows that you are dodging. Thanks.
@TheManGadoosh I have already told you the answer to your question. However just to please you, answer: NO. Nothing creates something, so we agree on that particular point.
I have also explained about what happened before the big bang, if that is not clear have a listen to Brian Cox or even Google it and you will obtain an explanation from scientists. No one really knows as yet, however when something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background.
@roac7777 (1) "NO. Nothing creates something, so we agree on that particular point."
Then if nothing CANNOT create something then there MUST be an un-caused cause OR we HAVE TO BELIEVE that nothing CAN create something. There is no getting away from that. It's very simple to understand. ALL possibilities of how the universe started must come down to an un-caused cause becasue as we agree nothing cannot create something. Think about it.
@TheManGadoosh I have thought about it and I realise that it is unreasonable to think a god created anything, whether it be yours or Zeus or Thor. There is simply no scientific evidence of any god. Also there is the moral issue, Yahweh, the god of the BIble, Torah and Koran is immoral because he is genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic, rape condoning and sadistic & also a sado masochist.
@roac7777 (1) "I have thought about it and I realise that it is unreasonable to think a god created anything, whether it be yours or Zeus or Thor."
Then the only conclusion is that you believe that something can come from nothing and contradict yourself because you leave no room for any other option. Or you could just claim agnosticism for yourself. But you cannot remain as you are and pretend to be serious. It's not working, believe me.
@TheManGadoosh Additional. When I say those things about your god I am being ironic because he does not exist. What you now have to ask yourself is this: If your god does not exist then it is mankind who is guilty of those crimes I listed, on the other hand if he does exist then he is guilty of the crimes I have listed.
@TheManGadoosh Additional: I must repeat myself and say just because something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. We did not know about molecular genetics until recent times. We did not know about germs and that they could cause so much harm, you and your ilk thought it was demons some 250 years ago and more.
We will never agree unless you provide evidence of your god and then I still will challenge his morals. I would like to know your morals
@roac7777 (2) "No one really knows as yet, however when something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background."
Actually it isn't that much of a mystery because both of us have reasoned that nothing cannot create something.
So if we take the logical step, we must conclude that there has to be an un-caused cause because as mentioned over and over again, nothing cannot create. Again, it is very simple. So simple in fact that to deny this is intellectual dishonesty.
@martlut Yeah, but not the cosmology meaning, he was thinking of children in his care. The new Catholic mission statement "Leave no child's left behind."
@roac7777 (2) "There is simply no scientific evidence of any god."
You've been reading far too much of Dawkins and his fellow dogmatic pants sniffers. To quote from the brilliant mathematician Berlinski (Who refuted Dawkins' silliness) "To ask of the physical sciences that they assess the Incarnation or any other religious belief, is rather like asking a powerful Grand Prix racing car that it prove itself satisfactory in doing service as a New York taxicab" You're barking up the wrong tree.
@roac7777 (3) Faith, is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Religious belief places the human heart in the service of an unseen world. And guess what? Science does the exact same thing (Physicist and Atheist, Gerard Hooft) If faith is delusional then so is science.
Dawkins and co are out of their league. In fact, if truth be told, they're just a bunch of angry old men with skidmarks who are as crazy as any other fundamentalist fart with a voice.
@roac7777 (2) You'll be glad to know that your hero Hitchens was just as bad. He bellowed about how child abuse was evil and then had the nerve to crack jokes about child abuse. Ironically, he spoke of how one of his debate partners Stephen Fry couldn't be Catholic because he was a homosexual. But either he didn't know or didn't want to know was that the sick peado priests were in fact homosexuals just like his good, hard done to, debate partner.
@TheManGadoosh Well I also have news for you. The ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals also being paedophiles is roughly 50/50. If you are trying to tell me that all paedophiles are homosexual you are grossly incorrect. Worse, if you are trying to say that all homosexuals are paedophiles you are even more grossly incorrect.
@roac7777 (2) "Well I also have news for you. The ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals also being paedophiles is roughly 50/50."
The study showed that 4 out of every 5 cases involving Catholic priests were with postpubescent boys; which means the perpetrators were homosexual. But besides this, since you find this amusing, could you enlighten us to how it is funny?
@roac7777 (4) because the concepts of good and evil do not exist within the naturalist universe. If it is survival of the fittest that drives evolution forward, why would one wish to hinder the master race because of the happiness of a few? Good and evil cannot exist in this view of the world that your masters write of and that is why their view is wrong. Actually, its evil.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but Christians have the standard to live up to, atheists don't.
@roac7777 (4) Finally, Sir Martin Rees (President of the royal society and no lightwieght) wrote that some of the ultimate questions "lie beyond science" So what does this say of Dawkins and his band of merry chimps' claims of science explaining everything? It shows you what happens when you let a biologist out of the lab and allow him to write in a field he has no knowledge of. It showed alright as atheist's like Michael Ruse stated that "the God delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist"
@TheManGadoosh Getting bitchy are we. Or are you afraid that you are realising the truth of what Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, Steven Weinberg, Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking and most scientists think and say.
@roac7777 (1) "Stephen Hawking and most scientists think and say."
I think you will find that at least 40% of scientists believe in God. Talking about truth, Herr Dawkins cut and pasted age old lies about the Church father Tertullian as proof in his book. And he does this throughout his work. He was found out of course and shows what the word truth means when used by the likes of him.
@roac7777 (3) Suggesting that because someone was born into a Catholic family thus means that Catholicism is to blame for their actions is about as intelligent and sincere as a fart in the wind. Will you suggest that because Jews were Jews they deserved what they got at his hands? If not, why not? because that's what your hero Daniel Dennet says. Dennet is only being true to himself. You obviously are not. Dennet, Dawkins and the rest know fine well that they cannot lecture on good and evil . .
@TheManGadoosh Again you twist the truth. HItler was a Catholic yes he did renounce Christ in later years but his philosophy was religious based. HIs soldiers were Christian and do not idly dismiss the fact that the Catholic Church supported Nazism, not just with Hitler but also in Spain during their civil war.
You have the gall to criticise Dawkins, Dennett & Co in saying they do not know the difference between good & evil. You are ignorant and also a liar.
@roac7777 "but his philosophy was religious based"
You need to flush your head gear out. Nietzcheanism and Darwinism are hardly Christian philosophies. The philosophy of the third reich was based on these two not Christianity. Not on love your neighbour as yourself. Was it????
To claim Christianity was his philosophy knowing what he preached is akin to saying that Dawkins' philosophy is based on Judiasm. There's a jobby floating around with your name on it.
@TheManGadoosh Do not mistake Nietzcheanism for Darwinism or evolution. Evolution is survival of the fittest it does not mean that one species should control and annihilate another. You are doing what the Nazis tried to do and steal and twist the meaning of evolution. If you persist on twisting truth then we should cease writing to each other. I say for the last time prove that your god exists, you cannot; I remain an atheist and believe in science, reason and secular law.
@roac7777 "I say for the last time prove that your god exists,"
You cannot create something from nothing. Therefore (logic dictates and you said that you use reason) that there has to be an uncaused cause. That uncaused cause is what we call God. Until you can prove that nothing can create something I will stick with reason and logic. The ball is in your court and will remain there because you will dodge the question. Watch and see.
@roac7777 Atheism is a disease of the soul: God is so obvious to anyone willing to look for Him. The Atheist has closed off his mind to the very truth that he was created by a Divine being with far greater power than himself.
This is the true anathema of the Atheist: to believe that we come from nothing, that we are just a "happy accident". This is about a plausible as Cold Fusion - it is the greatest of all logical fallacies.
Free-thinker indeed. May God allow you to see the Truth.
@drdst17 I see that you have not allowed fact to display itself in your fatuous statement. You are obviously clouded by delusion and have been infected by the toxic virus of religion. We atheists do not believe that we have come from nothing. Like all life forms, we are here because of evolution through natural selection, NOT because of some non existent, mass murdering, infant killing, rape condoning, homophobic, gynaephobic, sadist tyrant called Yahweh, the god of the Bible, Koran & Torah.
@roac7777 "We atheists do not believe that we have come from nothing."
Of course you do! If there is no uncaused cause, then you have to believe, must believe, that everything came from nothing (Only brights can be friends with Dawkins and Hitchens- which sadly rules you out my friend) But to reiterate, there is no getting away from the fact that there has to be a an uncaused cause. But you will dodge this of course and rip off Hitchens as if he's something. Get a grip!
@TheManGadoosh You mistakenly presume much in your statements and inevitably get your assumptions wrong. I suggest you read about evolution starting from the primeval soup onwards. Obviously you are deliberately trying to cloud the issue or you are truly ignorant of how life started. We have been debating for some time and as I do not believe in discussions that just go round in circles I do not see the point in continuing.
@roac7777 Clouding the issue would be to never address one 'major' part of the discussion i.e. an uncaused cause.
Yes, let's completely dodge that whole subject altogether as this asks too much of you as it scares you. But let's ramble on about nonsense as if we don't believe or even give thought to evolution. Evolution is a straw man that you set up to knock down. I offer a real argument and you dodged it constantly and never addressed it once (readers can check for themselves)
@roac7777 "do not idly dismiss the fact that the Catholic Church supported Nazism"
Again, go read the book by Rabbi David G. Dalin called 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope" that way you won't look so stupid by being caught throwing old urban myths about the place as if they were fact. Toodaloo.
@roac7777 How can good or evil be measured scientifically? If EVERYTHING is to be measured scientifically then they should be able to measure good and evil. According to the rules made up by bumchums Dawkins and Dennett, they can't be measured. If they can't be, then there is no such thing as good and evil and makes a complete nonsense for them and you to harp on about them as if they do. Thus they don't know the difference. How can they if they can't be measured scientifically?
@TheManGadoosh "Atheists cannot lecture on good and evil" we already do. When we point out the evils of religion you and your ilk shut your ears and go blah, blah, blah. What an arrogant slave you are. Well I have to say goodbye I do not wish to correspond with you any further. I raise a point and you just lie and avoid the question. Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and many more atheists are more moral than most believers of the non existent sky god.
@roac7777 If there is no supreme standard for good, then nothing can be called good or evil. Everything just is. Therefore nothing can be classified as good or evil because there is no other basis for calling them so other than YOUR private preferences. If you were a true atheist you would have to believe that nothing exists except material things doing what they do naturally. Good and evil only exist if you have a THEISTIC worldview, NOT a atheistic worldview as that would make no sense.
@TheManGadoosh We as homo sapiens make the standard for what is good. In England and wherever it is you live, we have a liberal, secular law which allows freedom of speech, freedom to vote, to believe in whatever we want to and the freedom not to believe. Morals and law are therefore discussed, reasoned and agreed. Now if you were to live in an Islamic country you would not have those freedoms, why because their god dictates certain laws and morals (or rather immoral behaviour).
@roac7777 In Scotland we have secular law. But that law isn't always good. That is the same where you live also. So your argument is nonsense.
"Now if you were to live in an Islamic country you would not have those freedoms, why because their god dictates certain laws and morals (or rather immoral behaviour)."
Im not arguing for an Islamic state so this is a straw man you have made for yourself.
@roac7777 (1) I have to say, that if anything, you have shown your true colours. Your comment about child abuse says everything. Making jokes about this has to be the lowest thing that one can do. And I am assuming that you are a man, which scares me.
Do you crack jokes about kids who are abused by parents, school teachers, anyone? Or is it only funny when its a Catholic priest? No one should find this funny regardless of who it is. But that's the measure of you right there.
@TheManGadoosh Yes my joke was hurtful, but only to the Catholic Church which has got away with the most awful atrocities ever conceived my mankind. It is not the Catholic Church's fault that paedophiles have infiltrated it's order over probably centuries. However it is appalling and disgusting that the heirachy in the Catholic Church have continuously covered up their crimes and given sanctuary to them. It is disgusting what your church has done. I offer no apology regarding my joke.
@roac7777 (3) "Yes my joke was hurtful, but only to the Catholic Church"
My wife and I and our children make up a part of the Catholic Church. We haven't hurt a hair on any kids head. What are you blabbering about? Am I supposed to take you seriously when you make such claims?
Those that covered such things are disgusting. I agree wholeheartedly. But to say that ALL in the hierarchy are to blame is complete and utter nonsense and is nothing short of pure hysteria. Get a grip.
@roac7777 "the Catholic Church which has got away with the most awful atrocities ever conceived my mankind"
You are a tad hysterical and need to calm down. Tell me, who has imposed on the suffering of the human race poison gas, barbed wire, experiments in eugenics, Zyklon B, scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs, ballistic missles and nuclear weapons (to name a few) ?? Was it the Vatican??????
Now take a deep breath.. . . There, that's better.
@TheManGadoosh Two wrongs do not make a right. Hitler's birthday ws celebrated officially by the Catholic church. The Catholic Church was officially anti semitic until 1964. Hitler was a Catholic and his soldiers were and were Lutheran. In Hitler's book Mein Kamph he stated repeatedly he was doing God's work. The other things you mention are irrelevant to this argument. Weapons have always been with us, it is in mankind's nature to invent, whether for bad or good. Religion being the worst.
@roac7777 (1)"Hitler's birthday ws celebrated officially by the Catholic church"
Provide the proof. And I mean proof from academia, not crackpots.
"Hitler was a Catholic"
Hitler was a follower of the bed-wetting, nancy boy Friedrich Nietzche and took on his 'superman' and 'the will to power' ethos as his own. He read Nietzche and constantly visited his archives in Berlin. His philosophy was Nietzchean (Atheistic) and Darwinian (survival of the fittest) and the rest is history.
@roac7777 "Evolution is survival of the fittest it does not mean that one species should control and annihilate another"
Want to go over this again. If it is survival of the fittest, then the fittest rule over the weak. That is control. Unless you have a better definition of control. As to annihilation, well the god denying states of the 20th century did a great job in showing us what the word truly meant.
@roac7777 By the way, I'm away for a month (Work) on Saturday night. So I won't be able to answer your comments if you should post any. If you do comment, I will get to them as soon as I can.
@roac7777 (5) As to the Church being anti-semitic until 1964, all I can say is that your head is well and truly lodged somewhere stinky. Go read a book by David G. Dalin called 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope" And by the way, Dalin is not only JEWISH he's also a Rabbi. . . LOL.
Is there any cry of foul play from the Jewish community? Me thinks not my stinky headed friend. One word: shampoo!
@TheManGadoosh Additional: At least now, my fellow primate, you are thinking and that is progress. Ask yourself this, why would your god cause a big bang, wait for at least 13 billion years create earth some 4.5 billion years ago then 4 billion years ago create life, then wait until about 100,000 years ago to create homo sapiens. Then wait again for 98,000 years before telling people they are going wrong. Why has 98% of all his creations become extinct. Answer: He does not exist.
@roac7777 (2) But then again, you will give me another video in a year and half's time to explain the big bang because as the man in the video at 3.00 states, these ideas are constantly being refuted.
Why would God want to create? Because that is obviously His nature regardless of time within this universe. By the way, taxonomists have been cataloguing plants and animals for more than 250 years, and they still have no exact answer to the question, “How many species are on Earth?” Cont .
@roac7777 This is what it all boils down to: According to you there was nothing and nothing happened to this nothing and then this nothing exploded 'Magically' it had to be magically as nothing could do that by itself. Then this nothing created everything and nothing rearranged everything for no reason and turned these self replicating bits which came from nothing into dinosaurs. Yeah, ok.
I believe it is my duty to warn you that drugs don't work.
@TheManGadoosh Agtain you show your ignorance I suggest you obtain a proper education regarding evolution and cosmology and stop believing inbronze age myths.
@roac7777 No problem with cosmology or evolution. You have me mixed up with crazed Protestants. The problem I have is that you would have us believe that 'nothing' magically created the cosmos and all life. That's my problem. A chimp could tell you that it is impossible to create something from nothing. But yet here you are.
@TheManGadoosh I love it when you Christians stick the knife into one another. I am talking about the Catholic and Protestant divide. It is you who believe in magic and bronze age myths, whereas I believe in science, reason and secular law. I believe that is what your founding fathers believed, eg: Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson. Incidentally Thomas Paine was born in good old England in the county of Norfolk.
@roac7777 (3) so your little calculation of 98% is found to wanting. If they cannot give a correct estimate of how many species are on the planet right now, then how can they say that 98% is extinct? There is a two letter word for this: The 1st word is that for the male domestic Bovine, the second word relates to its discharge from its bowels.
But all this is obfuscution, nothing more. You are dodging, simple. If nothing cannot create something, then there has to be a un-caused cause.
@TheManGadoosh On female godesses, they are part of the main man dominated religions, such as Isis which was firstly a part of the Egyptian religion which quickly spread and was accepted into part of Roman & Greek religion. The people of those times had many gods. Horrible as those times were in some ways, at least the Romans allowed freedom of religion, however when Constantine made Christianity the only faith, religious freedom disappeared.
@roac7777 (4) "On female godesses, they are part of the main man dominated religions,"
You forgot to add that they were false also.
"at least the Romans allowed freedom of religion,"
Except for Christianity. Get your facts right.
"when Constantine made Christianity the only faith, religious freedom disappeared."
And to think he remained a sun worshipper all his life. Hmm? Did he and his fellow sun worshippers practise their faith at night? Dan Brown isn't a historian.
@roac7777 (2) One Nazi academic of the time stated "When we call out to this youth, marching under the swastika: 'Heil Hitler!' - at the same time we greet with this call: 'Friedrich Neitzche!' " God was dead as far Hitler was concerned and used the term God to con the public and it worked. He used the Darwinian 'law of nature' to eliminate the unfit and this would bring about his Neitzchean paradise of supermen i.e. the master race were there was no God.
@WayOfTheMaster454 Because the use of condoms stops the spread of stds including AIDS. I thought that would be obvious. Sex is a natural thing to occur between two consenting adults, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere.
@roac7777 --The promotion of condoms was also supposed to lower the number of abortions as well, but in New York 40% of all pregnancies end in abortion, so why should we think that condoms are a solution to aids?
@WayOfTheMaster454 It is obvious to any intelligent person, that if anyone does not use a condom or "the pill", then the woman concerned is very likely to get pregnant.
Condoms only prevent pregnancies when they are worn.
@roac7777 "It is obvious to any intelligent person, that if anyone does not use a condom or "the pill", then the woman concerned is very likely to get pregnant."
It is obvious that women are nothing more than slabs of meat to you and whose existence is solely to satisfy your needs. The contraceptive mentality is a selfish mentality.
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TrumpetCallofGodLT 4 days ago
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The Roman Catholic church is a disreputable institution. Many of the clergy are sexually frustated sad individuals who prey upon others. Believe me - I was one of their victims and I depise them.
hotelflamingo 3 weeks ago
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John 5:37-47 NKJV
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life...
But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me;
if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
susanjbb 1 month ago
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John 14:1-6 NKJV
The Way, the Truth, and the Life
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.... I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”....
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
susanjbb 1 month ago
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16 For GOD so loved the world that He GAVE HIS ONLY begotten SON, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM should not perish but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
---John 3:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
susanjbb 1 month ago
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LORD JESUS SAID, I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE; NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME.
--John 14:6
"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH.
--Matthew 28:18
susanjbb 1 month ago
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Magdalene722 A good point. Jesus Christianized the Jewish rites and rituals.
He catholicized the bread and wine. Something mundane is mundane until it is chritianized. Then it becomes a sacramental. Water is water but, when it is blessed at Easter it becomes Holy Water. This is different from the 7 Sacraments in the Catholic Church i.e. Baptism, Confession, Holy Communion, Confirmation,Holy Order, Holy Matrimony and Extreme Unction.Sacraments are instituted by Jesus Himself. See the bible.
rocky60191 1 month ago
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If you want to learn the truth about Jesus Christ, search for "Church of Innerspace" in Google, click through to the website, and read what is said. What it says will drastically change your perception of Christianity.
TheHonestChurch 2 months ago
The Catholic Church did not adopt pagan festivals; it Christianized them. This is one of the ways that the Church carried out its mission to share the Good News and evangelize the world. Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ, and Easter celebrates His Resurrection. Neither of these Holy days were celebrated by pagans because they did not know Christ. The Church gave new meaning to their pagan festivals to encourage them out of the darkness and into the light of truth.
Magdalene722 2 months ago in playlist b 2
demons decline from the truth.... and the truth kills them...misleading people by words of wisdom...christ founded his church 2000 years ago and up tp now catholic church still exist.... even the gates of hell cant destroy it,,,,
ontoyi 2 months ago
About Christmas, it's so funny and that other denominations attack Catholics on Christmas celebrations, when they too co-celebrate the Chistmas. Stop this hypocrisy. You even compose Christmas songs.
By the way, do you know that the word Bible also has pagan roots? If you hate Christmas because of its pagan roots, logic demands that you should hate the Bible too.
iamjas0601 3 months ago
. . . firm beliver of Infant Baptism. He even expelled Thomas Munzer to Wittenberg because Munzer was against infant baptism.
Like I said, tell one verse in the Bible that condemns Infant Baptism. You would nt find a record of early Christian writers condemning the practice, but much is written to support it. Research for writings of early church Fathers (Ireneus and Origen) about infant baptism. These persons were diciples of the Apostles.
iamjas0601 3 months ago
The Bible does not explicitly CONFIRM or CONDEMN infant baptism.. BUT it is likely that when Paul baptized the entire household of Lydia and Stephanus, there are infants there. In Col 2:11-12, Paul alludes that baptism has replaced circumcision. We all know that circumcision takes place on the 8th day of the baby. Jesus said, that we should not hinder children to going unto Him. Why we will we not allow infant to receive grace from God.
Your Protestant Father, Martin Luther, is a . . .
iamjas0601 3 months ago
The Roman Catholic Church teaches unbiblical doctorines like the Age of Accountability and celebrates Pagan festivals Like Christmas and Easter, Also batpizes Infants which is completely unbiblical.
Mcstroke57 3 months ago
@Mcstroke57 Ahhh, redundant and boring! 1) For the Age of Reasoning read Isaiah 7:15. In your world all boys should all be circumcised at the age of 13 then right? 2) All of Rome used to be pagan and polytheistic so to counter act this they simply swapped ideals when Christianity took over. It blotted out pagan idealism, so what? 3) Before you go off on the original church of Christ get your facts straight. Let me guess, you're part of one of the 30,000 franchise like sects of Christianity?
SeraphimSword 1 month ago in playlist Catholic Faith
Religion is poison for who? For you josparkles1? Do you have trouble submitting to the will of an Eternal GOD whom created you out of pure Love and gives a govt (church) on earth to keep us from falling away from grace? I perceive you have trouble with obedience, GOD Bless+++
avecyeshua 4 months ago
@wrportas Insane????? When one person is deluded, it is called insanity, when many people are deluded it is called religion.
roac7777 6 months ago
@roac7777 YOu do not have to come on here you know, but please respect the Faith of those who do.
josparkes1 4 months ago
@josparkes1 No I do not have to come on this site, however this is You Tube where one can comment in order to enable others to think. I do NOT respect religion, it is a toxic virus which poisons everything and should be treated with ridicule and contempt.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 If you think this, then you probably have your reasons, and whatever they might be is your business, but I will tell you now that you have made some very hurtful comments and it is comments such as these which can and do genuinely upset a lot of very genuine Christian people, who are kind, good and unselfish, and who would do anything to help those in pain and sorrow. I do not know how you can say something like this, as the Christians I know are the soul of kindness !
josparkes1 4 months ago
@josparkes1 Religion hurts people, Christians are murdering homosexuals in Africa. There are good religious people and bad as there are good atheists and bad. It is their religion I despise and the chains it puts on them. Religion robs us of our integrity and intelligence and hijacks our morals and humanity.
I do not have the space here to elaborate in one paragraph. However I am more than pleased to do so by writing to you on your "send message" section of your channel.
roac7777 4 months ago
@josparkes1 Additional: In case you are wondering; no I am not homosexual, I mention the subject as I hate oppression of any kind. The Bible is wrong about homosexuality and sex between consenting adults. It is not moral to kill homosexuals or young single women, for having a private sex life.
As for the story of Jesus, if true, I admire the good man Jesus, but not the scoundrel Christ.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 You have absolutely NO authority to define what is "right" and what is "wrong". Only God has that authority. The Bible is not wrong because it, unlike you, is the ultimate authority of what is right and wrong.
It is immoral to kill homosexuals or anyone for that matter, because GOD says so, not you.
It is also immoral to commit fornication (sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman). Why? Because it's God's law. Neither you or I have authority to say otherwise.
drdst17 4 months ago
@drdst17 Not so, I have every right to define what is right from wrong. So does every moral and sane person in the world. God does not count he does not exist. If you go by your God's morals then it would be ok to kill single women for having private sex life, ok to kill young men just because they are homosexual, ok to kill our mothers for wearing 2 different threads on a garment. We obtain our morals and ethics via our evolutionary genetic makeup, we are moral despite any god.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 No, you cannot define right from wrong because again, you have no authority - you are a flawed, sinful human being who is not very long for this Earth. God's law is ultimately the Truth because it is He who created the World. He existed long before you were ever born, and will exist long after you are dead and forgotten about.
He is the Infinite: you and I are NOTHING in comparison.
drdst17 4 months ago
@drdst17 Well this is where we fundamentally disagree, you think there is a god and I have found no scientific evidence that there is a god, whether it be yours or Zeus, Thor or Baal. All gods are man made and the god of Abraham is a particularly genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic sadist. I, like all sane, moral persons have absolute right to know what is right from wrong.
I think that is the end of this discussion I do not engage in conversations that just go round in circles
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 Isn't completely ruling out the possible existence of an omnipotent, omniscient god intellectually dishonest?
- " I have found no scientific evidence that there is a god" -
There is no scientific evidence that scientific evidence is reliable scientific evidence. Also, you must *believe* that scientific evidence is the ultimate stick with which one should measure reality (BTW, what is "reality"?). And, you have to believe that what you didn't find was what you were looking for.
TenderTrap86 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 No it is not dishonest, eg: this planet orbits the sun, evolution is a scientific fact, etc etc. Scientific facts are the only truth. Religion relies on faith which is the belief in something without evidence. Faith is not enough for me. The other reason for my atheist stance is on ethical grounds, the teachings of the 3 monotheist religions, Judaism, Christianity & Islam are immoral & depraved.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 - "No it is not dishonest, eg: this planet orbits the sun, evolution is a scientific fact," -
You have to *believe* that scientific facts exist. You also have to *believe* scientific facts are the only truth. You have a *belief* about what truth is.
How do you know reality is real? If any of this is real? One can only *believe*, or else live an rediculously, absurd life.
PS What is immorality? What is depravity? Why do you *believe* monthiestic faiths to be these things?
TenderTrap86 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 Alot of questions not really enough room here to explain but I will try.
Firstly on belief: I believe in things which have evidence to back it up, that is why I believe in science and scientific truth which is the only truth. That covers historical evidence as well.
Secondly reality: I know what reality is because I have a brain and I think, therefore I am. (In other words I exist and the material world exists.
Thirdly morality & immorality, to be continued:
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 You have to believe evidence is real. And, that science truth is the only truth. You have to *believe* that.
Also, saying "scientific truth is the only truth" sounds like a stuffy, dogmatic statement. Congratulations.
- " know what reality is because I have a brain and I think, therefore I am" -
What a line of regergitated garbage. Descartes' rolling in his grave.
You say "morality is subjective, yet, you follow up with another dogmatic statement on what's right and wrong.
TenderTrap86 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 With a comment like that I can see that you are obviously insane. Goodbye, I do not converse with fruitloops.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 What are you? A psychiatrist? That's very intellectually dishonest of you because psychiatry's a science, and you just called me insane without even having applied any of that science. How long have you been a hypocrite?
Oh, yeah. And, "fruitloops"? You're so clever...
TenderTrap86 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 I do not need to be a psychiatrist to know that your comments come from an insane mind. You say things like "How do you know what is reality", I said "I think therefore I am" Rene Descartes said this when speaking about reality and the environment in which he and everyone lives.
It is you who is the liar when you say I am being dishonest.
By the way you have not proved the existence of your god, I am still waiting to hear.
roac7777 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 Additional: In order to make myself clearer: You have repudiated science and in particular my view of reality. This means you are either unbelievably ignorant or you are insane.
You tell me which you are?
roac7777 4 months ago
@TenderTrap86 Additional: Morals & Immorality: These are subjective, what was moral 300 years ago is not considered moral now: We humans obtain our morality from our evolutionary, genetic code. We know that rape and murder is wrong. Regarding sex it is the absolute right for any consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual, no one has the right to judge or interfere.
roac7777 4 months ago
@drdst17 Additional: You also do not know your Bible: God does say you should kill homosexuals and yes God does say it is immoral to have sex outside marriage, that is why I say God is immoral and depraved.It is the absolute right for any consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere least of all your non existent, genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, sadistic tyrant god.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 first of all some bibles r differnt so dont talk crap buddy my uncle died n saw jesus as he said confess ur sins thencam back to life after they preformed cpr
chrisandalexashow 4 months ago
@chrisandalexashow Just look at your comment, I think you have just shot yourself in the foot. Do not get lost in thought you would be in unfamiliar territory. As for your uncle I am not impressed, people say what brings them comfort, it is not truth.
roac7777 4 months ago
@josparkes1 Look again at some of the comments made by your fellow Catholics, you will then understand why I disrespect them and their religion. You should understand also that I despise ALL religion I do not solely feel contempt just for Christianity.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 It's okay, I spit on the false religion of Atheism - it is a hideous lie that has brought me nothing pain, sorrow, and addiction as I masturbated my ego to the point of deification. It was only the revelation of Christ's Truth that caused me to return home to the House of my Father.
But I don't disrespect you - only the poison that spews from your maw. May our Lord Jesus Christ find you one day and spare you from the pain you currently suffer under.
drdst17 4 months ago
@drdst17 Just saw your comment about you being hurt by atheism, what nonsense. We atheists believe that you should live life with a sense of joy and wonder and be thankful we are alive. The only sorrow that you may have felt is or was, caused by someone being nasty to you or you being depressed about something.
It is religion that brings grief, pain and poverty. Relgion is fraudulent, devisive, stops independent thinking and is dangerous.
roac7777 4 months ago
@roac7777 I am sorry, I can see it is futile to make any further comments so good luck to you my friend.
josparkes1 4 months ago
@Zeitgeist1101 I hope to understand what is your beef against religion....
PierreGiorgio 6 months ago
@PierreGiorgio Hi Zeitgeist1101 - how have you been?
I being alive today, is already a miracle, having to talk to you about God, is a greater miracle.
I believe that God is around us, in us, and can do everything through us.
I believe in one God, the creator. All others who are not creators are not Gods (for lack of the ability to create/sustain/renew). Religion is man's quest to find answers to questions he is not able to find solutions to (1. problem of evil 2.death 3.meaning of life)
PierreGiorgio 6 months ago
Bishop Alfred Willis from England landed in here 1902 , grandpa and the rest of the congregation saw Jesus`s image appearing on the Bishop`s chest for a while than it disappeared . If Catholicism is the true church , do they recognise other miracles being present in other denominations ? nope....who cares......we are on our way to heaven not to the VATICAN .......
Nimo753 7 months ago
@Nimo753
They do. They recognize all manifestations that are driven by the Lord
May your hate towards myself will become one day AGAPE
Multi0703 6 months ago
Catholic is not the only faith on earth ! Joan paul 2 will be an earthly saint ! Join Anglicanism and be saved ! lads !
Nimo753 7 months ago
@Nimo753 Typical, everyone thinks they know god. No one does, apart from the main fact that he does not exist no fellow primate has special powers more than myself or anyone else.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Typical, everyone thinks they know god. No one does, apart from the main fact that he does not exist no fellow primate has special powers more than myself or anyone else."
And yet you haven't proved that. Whatever happened to proof these days? You have yet to show that if nothing cannot create something then what does that leave us with? Oh but let's just leave it there because the question poses a threat to you. Hmm, seeker of truth indeed.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
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Born2Flesh 7 months ago
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Nimo753 7 months ago
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DreamsofMajesty 7 months ago
NO TO RH BILL IN THE PHILIPPINES. FELLOW CATHOLICS PRAY FOR IT'S REJECTION. God bless all.
whelurbiz 7 months ago
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SeventhDayRemnant 7 months ago
The Catholic church is guilty of murdering thousands of innocents in the last 1,000 years by burning so called heretics, abuse of children in it's care. The death and poverty of thousands of Africans, by saying the use of condoms is bad. The persecution and killing of homosexuals in Africa and that wicked, mentally ill fraud the so called Mother Teresa.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777, well your opinion is how you see it all. But I think you should do a bit of research before you speak up. I think you may well be the only person who feels that way about Mother Theresa...
stevesilvia 7 months ago 3
@stevesilvia I have done my research, I suggest you do the same. It is not just my opinion, there are many who ar now enlightened by the truth of Mother Theresa's wickedness and that of the Catholic Church who used her. Look up Chris Hitchens on this subject and also other tv documentaries. You can watch them here on You Tube.
roac7777 7 months ago
@stevesilvia I have done my research, you should do the same, there are many enlightened people like myself who are aware of this Albanian nun's fraudulent work. She is also responsible for many deaths in Africa by preaching that condoms should not be used, (the party line of the Catholic church, amongst many of its depraved teachings).
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 And we are also guilty of spreading our faith and also dying for it for the past 2,000 years. Yea the use of condoms is bad, and why have sex in the 1st place if your not married? Why do you think there is so many diseases and one way to stop it is not doing it in the 1st place don't you think? How about abortion thats is something that is happening right now and there are millions of unwanted babies being killed everyday that didn't have a choice how about you talk about that?
villian714 7 months ago
@villian714 Who says wearing condoms is bad? Oh I know the Pope & the immoral Catholic church.Why have sex you ask, I will tell you why, it is because I am a man and I enjoy having sex and I do not need to be married. As for sexually transmitted diseases, THAT IS WHY IT IS WISE TO WEAR A CONDOM, if you have not know your lover for very long. Sex is part of our human genetic makeup, as primates we enjoy sex it is not just to make babies.
The Catholic church is sexually repressed.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 pre-marital sex is bad and using condoms is bad too. I am a man too and sex doesn't make me more or less of a man. If you want to have sex with out our marriage deal with the consequences of your actions and don't wimp out when you get a disease and say that God cursed you because you did that to yourself.
villian714 7 months ago
@villian714 I say again, who says sex is bad before or out of marriage, by what authority do you say that. I have had sex with several women and never have contracted an std. I now have a girlfriend with whom I have lived with for 2 years and never contracted an std. So your idiotic statement that if you have sex out of marriage makes you obtain an std is a lie. You are a tunnel visioned frustrated old virgin. So fuck you and your god.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 Well then consider your self lucky that you haven't but even in Russian Roulette someone gets the bullet. And plz don't put words in my mouth, and what makes you think I am old and frustrated? You are here criticizing my belief and you still say "who says sex is bad before or out of marriage" are you serious? Then you use vulgar language to diss me and my God, because I don't agree with your actions wow. Its sad that you have to have sex with your girl just to keep her.
God Bless
villian714 7 months ago
@villian714 I dont just have to have sex with my girl to keep her you moron. You know nothing. You are old in your outlook of life. Your god is immoral and depraved and the ironic thing is he does not even exist. Still its a free country if you wish to be deluded all your life that is your affair. My motto is live life with a sense of wonder and enjoyment, strive to do no harm and enjoy your own sex life and leave others to enjoy theirs which is none of your business.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Your god is immoral and depraved"
He can't be that if he doesn't exist. Your position is a tad silly don't you think?
"My motto is live life with a sense of wonder and enjoyment, strive to do no harm and enjoy your own sex life and leave others to enjoy theirs which is none of your business."
The NHS of Great Britian has warned of the extreme health risks of sodomy and of those who lead sexually active lifestyles. You're warped morals are in the minority. Thank God!
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh What are you talking about man, I do not personally engage in anal sex or homosexual sex but that does not give me or anyone else the right to judge or condemn those that do. Anal sex is perfectly safe when condoms are used, the NHS also tells us that. Many homosexuals just engage in oral sex and considering many heterosexuals do as well the risks and the morals stand for both sexual orientations. It is you who is not only silly but also sexually repressed.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "What are you talking about man, I do not personally engage in anal sex or homosexual sex but that does not give me or anyone else the right to judge or condemn those that do."
I never said you did engage in it.
Anal sex isn't safe and since the NHS warns us that it isn't and that condoms break [1 in every 10] then it is the height of stupidty to play Russian roulette with your life and to be told that this is normal. A crazy person can see that it obviously is not.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh My remark about god being immoral is to show that far from being a celestial phenomenon god is purely man made. However if the god of the Bible, Koran and Torah actually existed then indeed he is guilty of the crimes I before mentioned. It is mankind that is moral despite god and religion, however mankind can also be genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic and sadistic. Men invented god for control over women and the masses.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "My remark about god being immoral is to show that far from being a celestial phenomenon god is purely man made."
Your opinion of course :) Mankind gets its morals from God and religion. You have it back to front. Where does your moral compass stem from?
If man invented god to control woman and the masses, then explain female godess worship and the fact that the majority of people on this planet freely believe in God?
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Mankind certainly does not get morals from god or the Bible. If we all followed morals from the Bible we would be killing those who worked on Sundays, killing homosexuals, killing anyone who has sex before or out of marriage I would have the right to burn my mother alive if she wore two different threads of garment, and that is just the old testament, its not until gentle Jesus meek & mild comes along that the real fun begins, then you have a god who wants to torture us forever.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 wow dude, you're so dumb. You just list alot of stereotypical and extreme views of Catholicism. You're obviousely not educated about this religoun. And the catholic church is ran by man under the name of god, even man make mistakes as shown in history. But if there is a god then there is a devil, and he's loving what kind of ignorant shit you're posting on this youtube videos. I'm not going to fight with you, but I'll pray for you. and I wish you a better life
warhero1645 7 months ago
@warhero1645 "wow dude, you're so dumb. You just list alot of stereotypical and extreme views of Catholicism. You're obviousely not educated about this religoun."
It's 'religion' not religoun. What was that you mentioned about being dumb? :)
"And the catholic church is ran by man under the name of god, even man make mistakes as shown in history."
Nobody is saying anyone is perfect. Straw man!
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh i'm 15 years old, excuse me for having a few spelling mistakes. and wow, get a life. you make this whole web page look like a book. You're only proving you can be an ass, if you don't agree with catholicism, then stfu about it. I don't go on other peoples religions and spam the whole comment log with abunch of my opinions. and yes, you are dumb. You're so dissrespectful and rude, it's people like you that cause problems, I wish you could just be respectful. your not a bad person
warhero1645 7 months ago
@warhero1645 "if you don't agree with catholicism"
I am Catholic. It's 'roac 7777' that disagrees with Catholicism. Read the comments and you will see that.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Hey that is not true, I disagree with all Christian sects and all religion.
roac7777 7 months ago
@warhero1645 haha. that's funny. I'm sorry, this is so confusing. this whole page does look like a book
warhero1645 7 months ago
@warhero1645 That's ok :)
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@warhero1645 "I'm not going to fight with you, but I'll pray for you. and I wish you a better life"
Thanks. But I don't see the point in you praying for me when such a concept is alien to the atheistic mindset. Your a walking contradiction. But thanks anyway and you have my permission to pray for me and I will pray for you, and I hope you have a better life also.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Mankind certainly does not get morals from god or the Bible. . . and that is just the old testament"
Where do you think the Western civilizations got their morals if it wasn't from God or the Bible? Thin air? The laws of the land are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs and that is a fact which you cannot dispute. Unless you want to rer-write history.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Not thin air from the reasoning of our brains. Homo Sapiens (that is us) have been on this planet for at least 100,000 years, According to your logic your god waits with folded arms for 98,000 years before intervening and sends his only son to be tortured and killed so he can forgive everyone. Some father, why could he not just forgive? Your god is inept at best and a sadist and cruel dictator at worst. ~We were moral long before Jesus came along
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Not thin air from the reasoning of our brains."
Well that means that we reasoned that Judeo-Christian ethics work best. Because that's what we use, unless you want to move to North Korea. Enjoy
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago 2
@TheManGadoosh A word on North Korea that is what heaven would be like, at least you can die in North Korea then the bastards cannot touch you, whereas your god, if he were real, would be torturing people after they are dead.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "A word on North Korea that is what heaven would be like"
Then you're a psycho.
"whereas your god, if he were real, would be torturing people after they are dead."
The fact that you believe God does that shows how much you know of Christianity. It's rather amusing watching you commit one blunder after another, and If heaven were like North Korea, then you would be getting tortured after death. Go look at Amnesty international on North Korea LOL.Can you get any more sillier?
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Psycho, not so. If there was a heaven you would have to sing your god's praises every day. He is a god that punishes for thought crime, eg: 10th Commandment. At least in North Korea the authorities do not do that. You must agre that Nrth. Korea is one of the most despicable regimes ever invented by mankind, your god is worse. Your comment about Amnesty International has no bearing on this debate and is therefore irrelevant.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 That's really nice. Just you dodge the question and I won't notice. Sorry, but not letting you away with this. So show me were science says that nothing can create something? If you can show me this, I will leave Catholicism today. Same challenge, different day. Chop chop.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh I am not dodging anything it is you who does so. Science has never and does not say nothing can create something, only you have said that. Read about evolution &cosmology. I will help by saying, listen to a Brian Cox video here on You Tube explaining about the Big Bang and also what caused the Big Bang. You can obtain information from your nearest library, science teacher, museum etc.
Use your brain and think during & after you have found the information science has to offer
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Science has never and does not say nothing can create something, only you have said that."
Then why do you believe that it can?
"the Big Bang and also what caused the Big Bang."
Then there MUST be a FIRST cause that had NO CAUSE because NOTHING cannot create something. If nothing cannot create something, then for something to appear then there has to be something that cannot be caused. If not then YOU have to believe that nothing can create something and contradict yourself
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh What happened before the Big Bang, scientists are not sure, I suggest you look at a video I am going to send you. Its called ~"What happened before the big bang". This is only speculation and not proven. Now before you get all excited and say "well god must have done it", because something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. I've said it before, it's not for me to prove god does not exist but people like you to prove god exists.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1) The video gives several options (1) there was no time. (2) Multple-universes and (3) Membrane
The 1st states that since there is no time there can only be eternity in it's place. And we say God is eternal.
The 2nd and 3rd don't change the nature of the question. The same question applies to ALL. Since nothing can create something, then there HAS TO BE a un-caused cause. Unless you are willing to believe that nothing can create something. So you are back to square one. Nice try.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Not so, I say again, just because science as yet does not know the answer it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. I say again, it is for you to prove to me that there is a god and not my job to prove to you there is not a god. You are the one that is selling an idea without evidence. I can sell you evolution or the fact that our planet orbits the sun because there is evidence.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Not so, I say again, just because science as yet does not know the answer it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background."
But the fact is that there HAS TO BE something lurking in the background which is un-caused. If not, then nothing CAN create something. If there has to be an un-caused cause, and there has to be, then I have proven that God (the uncaused cause) exists.
So what is it???? Nothing creates something or an un-caused cause??????? Enlighten me!
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh You ask me to enlighten you, I can only do that if you open your mind and not be fixated on your god. Just for a moment leave god out of the equation. If you listened to Brian Cox on what happened after the big bang he explained that particles smaller than atoms began to form that were not there before the big bang and that time may not have existed as time will not exist when the universe comes to an end. Something happened but as yet we dont know what.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 You ask me to open my mind. Ok, let me ask this question which coincidentally, I have several times without any joy. If nothing cannot create something then does this not mean that there logically has to be an un-caused cause? Because if not, then wouldn't you agree that nothing can create something?
It has to be one or the other. Please don't divert from this as it only shows that you are dodging. Thanks.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh I have already told you the answer to your question. However just to please you, answer: NO. Nothing creates something, so we agree on that particular point.
I have also explained about what happened before the big bang, if that is not clear have a listen to Brian Cox or even Google it and you will obtain an explanation from scientists. No one really knows as yet, however when something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1) "NO. Nothing creates something, so we agree on that particular point."
Then if nothing CANNOT create something then there MUST be an un-caused cause OR we HAVE TO BELIEVE that nothing CAN create something. There is no getting away from that. It's very simple to understand. ALL possibilities of how the universe started must come down to an un-caused cause becasue as we agree nothing cannot create something. Think about it.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh I have thought about it and I realise that it is unreasonable to think a god created anything, whether it be yours or Zeus or Thor. There is simply no scientific evidence of any god. Also there is the moral issue, Yahweh, the god of the BIble, Torah and Koran is immoral because he is genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic, gynaephobic, rape condoning and sadistic & also a sado masochist.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1) "I have thought about it and I realise that it is unreasonable to think a god created anything, whether it be yours or Zeus or Thor."
Then the only conclusion is that you believe that something can come from nothing and contradict yourself because you leave no room for any other option. Or you could just claim agnosticism for yourself. But you cannot remain as you are and pretend to be serious. It's not working, believe me.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Additional. When I say those things about your god I am being ironic because he does not exist. What you now have to ask yourself is this: If your god does not exist then it is mankind who is guilty of those crimes I listed, on the other hand if he does exist then he is guilty of the crimes I have listed.
I go along with my first premise.
roac7777 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Additional: I must repeat myself and say just because something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background. We did not know about molecular genetics until recent times. We did not know about germs and that they could cause so much harm, you and your ilk thought it was demons some 250 years ago and more.
We will never agree unless you provide evidence of your god and then I still will challenge his morals. I would like to know your morals
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) "No one really knows as yet, however when something is a mystery it does not mean there is a god lurking in the background."
Actually it isn't that much of a mystery because both of us have reasoned that nothing cannot create something.
So if we take the logical step, we must conclude that there has to be an un-caused cause because as mentioned over and over again, nothing cannot create. Again, it is very simple. So simple in fact that to deny this is intellectual dishonesty.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 by the way a Catholic Priest came up with the Big Bang Theory LOL
martlut 7 months ago
@martlut Yeah, but not the cosmology meaning, he was thinking of children in his care. The new Catholic mission statement "Leave no child's left behind."
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) "There is simply no scientific evidence of any god."
You've been reading far too much of Dawkins and his fellow dogmatic pants sniffers. To quote from the brilliant mathematician Berlinski (Who refuted Dawkins' silliness) "To ask of the physical sciences that they assess the Incarnation or any other religious belief, is rather like asking a powerful Grand Prix racing car that it prove itself satisfactory in doing service as a New York taxicab" You're barking up the wrong tree.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@martlut Yes indeed his name was Georges Lamaitre then I think Ernest Hubble expanded on the theory.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (3) Faith, is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Religious belief places the human heart in the service of an unseen world. And guess what? Science does the exact same thing (Physicist and Atheist, Gerard Hooft) If faith is delusional then so is science.
Dawkins and co are out of their league. In fact, if truth be told, they're just a bunch of angry old men with skidmarks who are as crazy as any other fundamentalist fart with a voice.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) You'll be glad to know that your hero Hitchens was just as bad. He bellowed about how child abuse was evil and then had the nerve to crack jokes about child abuse. Ironically, he spoke of how one of his debate partners Stephen Fry couldn't be Catholic because he was a homosexual. But either he didn't know or didn't want to know was that the sick peado priests were in fact homosexuals just like his good, hard done to, debate partner.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Well I also have news for you. The ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals also being paedophiles is roughly 50/50. If you are trying to tell me that all paedophiles are homosexual you are grossly incorrect. Worse, if you are trying to say that all homosexuals are paedophiles you are even more grossly incorrect.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) "Well I also have news for you. The ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals also being paedophiles is roughly 50/50."
The study showed that 4 out of every 5 cases involving Catholic priests were with postpubescent boys; which means the perpetrators were homosexual. But besides this, since you find this amusing, could you enlighten us to how it is funny?
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (4) because the concepts of good and evil do not exist within the naturalist universe. If it is survival of the fittest that drives evolution forward, why would one wish to hinder the master race because of the happiness of a few? Good and evil cannot exist in this view of the world that your masters write of and that is why their view is wrong. Actually, its evil.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but Christians have the standard to live up to, atheists don't.
See number (5)
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@martlut Yes indeed his name was Georges Lemaitre then I think Ernest Hubble expanded on the theory and I think he discovered it in 1929.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (4) Finally, Sir Martin Rees (President of the royal society and no lightwieght) wrote that some of the ultimate questions "lie beyond science" So what does this say of Dawkins and his band of merry chimps' claims of science explaining everything? It shows you what happens when you let a biologist out of the lab and allow him to write in a field he has no knowledge of. It showed alright as atheist's like Michael Ruse stated that "the God delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist"
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Getting bitchy are we. Or are you afraid that you are realising the truth of what Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris, Steven Weinberg, Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking and most scientists think and say.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1) "Stephen Hawking and most scientists think and say."
I think you will find that at least 40% of scientists believe in God. Talking about truth, Herr Dawkins cut and pasted age old lies about the Church father Tertullian as proof in his book. And he does this throughout his work. He was found out of course and shows what the word truth means when used by the likes of him.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (3) Suggesting that because someone was born into a Catholic family thus means that Catholicism is to blame for their actions is about as intelligent and sincere as a fart in the wind. Will you suggest that because Jews were Jews they deserved what they got at his hands? If not, why not? because that's what your hero Daniel Dennet says. Dennet is only being true to himself. You obviously are not. Dennet, Dawkins and the rest know fine well that they cannot lecture on good and evil . .
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Again you twist the truth. HItler was a Catholic yes he did renounce Christ in later years but his philosophy was religious based. HIs soldiers were Christian and do not idly dismiss the fact that the Catholic Church supported Nazism, not just with Hitler but also in Spain during their civil war.
You have the gall to criticise Dawkins, Dennett & Co in saying they do not know the difference between good & evil. You are ignorant and also a liar.
Unlike you I am not anti semitic.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "but his philosophy was religious based"
You need to flush your head gear out. Nietzcheanism and Darwinism are hardly Christian philosophies. The philosophy of the third reich was based on these two not Christianity. Not on love your neighbour as yourself. Was it????
To claim Christianity was his philosophy knowing what he preached is akin to saying that Dawkins' philosophy is based on Judiasm. There's a jobby floating around with your name on it.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Yes the 1st philosophy was religious based however it was mankind's worst attempt.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Yes the 1st philosophy was religious based however it was mankind's worst attempt."
What?
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Do not mistake Nietzcheanism for Darwinism or evolution. Evolution is survival of the fittest it does not mean that one species should control and annihilate another. You are doing what the Nazis tried to do and steal and twist the meaning of evolution. If you persist on twisting truth then we should cease writing to each other. I say for the last time prove that your god exists, you cannot; I remain an atheist and believe in science, reason and secular law.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Evolution is survival of the fittest it does not mean that one species should control and annihilate another"
But that's what Darwinism teaches. Do you know better than Darwin now? Have you a new theory of evolution? Can't wait till you publish it.
"You are doing what the Nazis tried to do and steal and twist the meaning of evolution"
The Nazi's used Darwinism. Read 'From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany' by professor Richard Weikart
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 "I say for the last time prove that your god exists,"
You cannot create something from nothing. Therefore (logic dictates and you said that you use reason) that there has to be an uncaused cause. That uncaused cause is what we call God. Until you can prove that nothing can create something I will stick with reason and logic. The ball is in your court and will remain there because you will dodge the question. Watch and see.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 Atheism is a disease of the soul: God is so obvious to anyone willing to look for Him. The Atheist has closed off his mind to the very truth that he was created by a Divine being with far greater power than himself.
This is the true anathema of the Atheist: to believe that we come from nothing, that we are just a "happy accident". This is about a plausible as Cold Fusion - it is the greatest of all logical fallacies.
Free-thinker indeed. May God allow you to see the Truth.
drdst17 6 months ago
@drdst17 I see that you have not allowed fact to display itself in your fatuous statement. You are obviously clouded by delusion and have been infected by the toxic virus of religion. We atheists do not believe that we have come from nothing. Like all life forms, we are here because of evolution through natural selection, NOT because of some non existent, mass murdering, infant killing, rape condoning, homophobic, gynaephobic, sadist tyrant called Yahweh, the god of the Bible, Koran & Torah.
roac7777 6 months ago
@roac7777 "We atheists do not believe that we have come from nothing."
Of course you do! If there is no uncaused cause, then you have to believe, must believe, that everything came from nothing (Only brights can be friends with Dawkins and Hitchens- which sadly rules you out my friend) But to reiterate, there is no getting away from the fact that there has to be a an uncaused cause. But you will dodge this of course and rip off Hitchens as if he's something. Get a grip!
TheManGadoosh 6 months ago
@TheManGadoosh You mistakenly presume much in your statements and inevitably get your assumptions wrong. I suggest you read about evolution starting from the primeval soup onwards. Obviously you are deliberately trying to cloud the issue or you are truly ignorant of how life started. We have been debating for some time and as I do not believe in discussions that just go round in circles I do not see the point in continuing.
roac7777 6 months ago
@roac7777 Clouding the issue would be to never address one 'major' part of the discussion i.e. an uncaused cause.
Yes, let's completely dodge that whole subject altogether as this asks too much of you as it scares you. But let's ramble on about nonsense as if we don't believe or even give thought to evolution. Evolution is a straw man that you set up to knock down. I offer a real argument and you dodged it constantly and never addressed it once (readers can check for themselves)
TheManGadoosh 6 months ago
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@TheManGadoosh You stop telling lies about me and I will stop telling the truth about your religion.
roac7777 6 months ago
@roac7777 "do not idly dismiss the fact that the Catholic Church supported Nazism"
Again, go read the book by Rabbi David G. Dalin called 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope" that way you won't look so stupid by being caught throwing old urban myths about the place as if they were fact. Toodaloo.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
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TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 How can good or evil be measured scientifically? If EVERYTHING is to be measured scientifically then they should be able to measure good and evil. According to the rules made up by bumchums Dawkins and Dennett, they can't be measured. If they can't be, then there is no such thing as good and evil and makes a complete nonsense for them and you to harp on about them as if they do. Thus they don't know the difference. How can they if they can't be measured scientifically?
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh "Atheists cannot lecture on good and evil" we already do. When we point out the evils of religion you and your ilk shut your ears and go blah, blah, blah. What an arrogant slave you are. Well I have to say goodbye I do not wish to correspond with you any further. I raise a point and you just lie and avoid the question. Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and many more atheists are more moral than most believers of the non existent sky god.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 If there is no supreme standard for good, then nothing can be called good or evil. Everything just is. Therefore nothing can be classified as good or evil because there is no other basis for calling them so other than YOUR private preferences. If you were a true atheist you would have to believe that nothing exists except material things doing what they do naturally. Good and evil only exist if you have a THEISTIC worldview, NOT a atheistic worldview as that would make no sense.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh We as homo sapiens make the standard for what is good. In England and wherever it is you live, we have a liberal, secular law which allows freedom of speech, freedom to vote, to believe in whatever we want to and the freedom not to believe. Morals and law are therefore discussed, reasoned and agreed. Now if you were to live in an Islamic country you would not have those freedoms, why because their god dictates certain laws and morals (or rather immoral behaviour).
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 In Scotland we have secular law. But that law isn't always good. That is the same where you live also. So your argument is nonsense.
"Now if you were to live in an Islamic country you would not have those freedoms, why because their god dictates certain laws and morals (or rather immoral behaviour)."
Im not arguing for an Islamic state so this is a straw man you have made for yourself.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1) I have to say, that if anything, you have shown your true colours. Your comment about child abuse says everything. Making jokes about this has to be the lowest thing that one can do. And I am assuming that you are a man, which scares me.
Do you crack jokes about kids who are abused by parents, school teachers, anyone? Or is it only funny when its a Catholic priest? No one should find this funny regardless of who it is. But that's the measure of you right there.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Yes my joke was hurtful, but only to the Catholic Church which has got away with the most awful atrocities ever conceived my mankind. It is not the Catholic Church's fault that paedophiles have infiltrated it's order over probably centuries. However it is appalling and disgusting that the heirachy in the Catholic Church have continuously covered up their crimes and given sanctuary to them. It is disgusting what your church has done. I offer no apology regarding my joke.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (3) "Yes my joke was hurtful, but only to the Catholic Church"
My wife and I and our children make up a part of the Catholic Church. We haven't hurt a hair on any kids head. What are you blabbering about? Am I supposed to take you seriously when you make such claims?
Those that covered such things are disgusting. I agree wholeheartedly. But to say that ALL in the hierarchy are to blame is complete and utter nonsense and is nothing short of pure hysteria. Get a grip.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 "the Catholic Church which has got away with the most awful atrocities ever conceived my mankind"
You are a tad hysterical and need to calm down. Tell me, who has imposed on the suffering of the human race poison gas, barbed wire, experiments in eugenics, Zyklon B, scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs, ballistic missles and nuclear weapons (to name a few) ?? Was it the Vatican??????
Now take a deep breath.. . . There, that's better.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Two wrongs do not make a right. Hitler's birthday ws celebrated officially by the Catholic church. The Catholic Church was officially anti semitic until 1964. Hitler was a Catholic and his soldiers were and were Lutheran. In Hitler's book Mein Kamph he stated repeatedly he was doing God's work. The other things you mention are irrelevant to this argument. Weapons have always been with us, it is in mankind's nature to invent, whether for bad or good. Religion being the worst.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (1)"Hitler's birthday ws celebrated officially by the Catholic church"
Provide the proof. And I mean proof from academia, not crackpots.
"Hitler was a Catholic"
Hitler was a follower of the bed-wetting, nancy boy Friedrich Nietzche and took on his 'superman' and 'the will to power' ethos as his own. He read Nietzche and constantly visited his archives in Berlin. His philosophy was Nietzchean (Atheistic) and Darwinian (survival of the fittest) and the rest is history.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh I will give you proof by sending a message direct to you as there is not enough room here.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 "Evolution is survival of the fittest it does not mean that one species should control and annihilate another"
Want to go over this again. If it is survival of the fittest, then the fittest rule over the weak. That is control. Unless you have a better definition of control. As to annihilation, well the god denying states of the 20th century did a great job in showing us what the word truly meant.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 By the way, I'm away for a month (Work) on Saturday night. So I won't be able to answer your comments if you should post any. If you do comment, I will get to them as soon as I can.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (5) As to the Church being anti-semitic until 1964, all I can say is that your head is well and truly lodged somewhere stinky. Go read a book by David G. Dalin called 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope" And by the way, Dalin is not only JEWISH he's also a Rabbi. . . LOL.
Is there any cry of foul play from the Jewish community? Me thinks not my stinky headed friend. One word: shampoo!
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Additional: At least now, my fellow primate, you are thinking and that is progress. Ask yourself this, why would your god cause a big bang, wait for at least 13 billion years create earth some 4.5 billion years ago then 4 billion years ago create life, then wait until about 100,000 years ago to create homo sapiens. Then wait again for 98,000 years before telling people they are going wrong. Why has 98% of all his creations become extinct. Answer: He does not exist.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) But then again, you will give me another video in a year and half's time to explain the big bang because as the man in the video at 3.00 states, these ideas are constantly being refuted.
Why would God want to create? Because that is obviously His nature regardless of time within this universe. By the way, taxonomists have been cataloguing plants and animals for more than 250 years, and they still have no exact answer to the question, “How many species are on Earth?” Cont .
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 This is what it all boils down to: According to you there was nothing and nothing happened to this nothing and then this nothing exploded 'Magically' it had to be magically as nothing could do that by itself. Then this nothing created everything and nothing rearranged everything for no reason and turned these self replicating bits which came from nothing into dinosaurs. Yeah, ok.
I believe it is my duty to warn you that drugs don't work.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh Agtain you show your ignorance I suggest you obtain a proper education regarding evolution and cosmology and stop believing inbronze age myths.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 No problem with cosmology or evolution. You have me mixed up with crazed Protestants. The problem I have is that you would have us believe that 'nothing' magically created the cosmos and all life. That's my problem. A chimp could tell you that it is impossible to create something from nothing. But yet here you are.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh I love it when you Christians stick the knife into one another. I am talking about the Catholic and Protestant divide. It is you who believe in magic and bronze age myths, whereas I believe in science, reason and secular law. I believe that is what your founding fathers believed, eg: Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson. Incidentally Thomas Paine was born in good old England in the county of Norfolk.
roac7777 7 months ago
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TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
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@roac7777 No knifing at all. Just pointing out your straw man.
I Scottish, not American.
I tell you what: show me were science says that nothing can create something? If you can show me this, I will leave Catholicism today.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (3) so your little calculation of 98% is found to wanting. If they cannot give a correct estimate of how many species are on the planet right now, then how can they say that 98% is extinct? There is a two letter word for this: The 1st word is that for the male domestic Bovine, the second word relates to its discharge from its bowels.
But all this is obfuscution, nothing more. You are dodging, simple. If nothing cannot create something, then there has to be a un-caused cause.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@TheManGadoosh On female godesses, they are part of the main man dominated religions, such as Isis which was firstly a part of the Egyptian religion which quickly spread and was accepted into part of Roman & Greek religion. The people of those times had many gods. Horrible as those times were in some ways, at least the Romans allowed freedom of religion, however when Constantine made Christianity the only faith, religious freedom disappeared.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 (4) "On female godesses, they are part of the main man dominated religions,"
You forgot to add that they were false also.
"at least the Romans allowed freedom of religion,"
Except for Christianity. Get your facts right.
"when Constantine made Christianity the only faith, religious freedom disappeared."
And to think he remained a sun worshipper all his life. Hmm? Did he and his fellow sun worshippers practise their faith at night? Dan Brown isn't a historian.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 (2) One Nazi academic of the time stated "When we call out to this youth, marching under the swastika: 'Heil Hitler!' - at the same time we greet with this call: 'Friedrich Neitzche!' " God was dead as far Hitler was concerned and used the term God to con the public and it worked. He used the Darwinian 'law of nature' to eliminate the unfit and this would bring about his Neitzchean paradise of supermen i.e. the master race were there was no God.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago
@roac7777 --Why do you blame the ban on artificial contraception? Why not blame the one spreading aids via the sexual act?
WayOfTheMaster454 7 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Because the use of condoms stops the spread of stds including AIDS. I thought that would be obvious. Sex is a natural thing to occur between two consenting adults, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere.
roac7777 7 months ago
@roac7777 --The promotion of condoms was also supposed to lower the number of abortions as well, but in New York 40% of all pregnancies end in abortion, so why should we think that condoms are a solution to aids?
WayOfTheMaster454 7 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 It is obvious to any intelligent person, that if anyone does not use a condom or "the pill", then the woman concerned is very likely to get pregnant.
Condoms only prevent pregnancies when they are worn.
roac7777 7 months ago
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@roac7777 "It is obvious to any intelligent person, that if anyone does not use a condom or "the pill", then the woman concerned is very likely to get pregnant."
It is obvious that women are nothing more than slabs of meat to you and whose existence is solely to satisfy your needs. The contraceptive mentality is a selfish mentality.
TheManGadoosh 7 months ago