Gravity Behaving Badly - Part 2

[nodice4me]

Semiconductors have little to do with QM, they are 100% electrical devices made by chemical and electrical engineers. QM is all about subatomic dynamics and SC is all about moving electrons through a massive maze.

[gammabun]

hutchinson effect is supposed to be a fraud

[soupdragon42]

@gammabun When evidence contradicts theory, it is often dismissed as fraudulent. Ideology is always difficult to break down. I would dig deeper if I were you.

[nfexp]

fuck "miles per second" !

[myhearn]

you make good points but plz don't say that the hutchison effect is real it ruins the whole video, relativity dosen't shrink a train it just makes it appear to shrink, there's room in the theory of an electromagneticly driven universe for relativity and quantum mechanics, there are other holes you can easily pick in the gravitationally driven universe than relativity and quantum mechanics, like the behavior and composition of the center of our galaxy or pulsars

[NastyGreaser]

it is the thunderbolt that steers the lightning!

I doubt that many of you understand the true meaning of this quote!

let me explain: it is the cosmic electric discharge that makes the universe work!

[mujaku]

The Michelson-Morley experiment showed a deflection .004 and .015 which is not a null result.

[soupdragon42]

@mujaku Yes, exactly, so why is it still held as a null result by the mainstream? Because they do not want to have to deal with the aether! Again, it would mess-up all there pretty math models.

[EltonJThe]

@soupdragon42 they love the beauty of their math models, even though nature doesn't like them. I bet you if the models were anthropomorphed, they'd dump their wives and husbands and marry them. :) That's an exaggeration of course, but it somewhat explains their fanatical attachment to them.

[EltonJThe]

@soupdragon42 The mainstream doesn't want to deal with the Aether because of it's connections to the Alchemical World View. The Aether is viewed to be a part of the Supernatural among astronomers, and they want to take any reference to the Supernatural out of Science. 4 thousandths and 15 thousandths isn't a null result, so they ignore it.

[spellbinder00]

As I see it the universe is Electrical and gravity is nothing than the Electrical Pressure created on matter which is also electrical on another frequncy. Gravity might then be the Push theory instead of Pull theory. Just a thought ;)

[NastyGreaser]

@spellbinder00

yes sounds very good.

[kenny8331]

did they really reference the hutchinson effect? it was cool until that happened

[slappy420usa]

"These accelerators wouldn't even work if they weren't engineered according to relativistic principles. " Perfect example of Relativity being used to help explain what we still dont understand of particle physics, bext this guy is going to tell us qauntum mechanics is flawed becuase it has gaps, even though we couldnt be using computers without it

[soupdragon42]

The LHC hasn't 'worked' yet, except in computer simulations!

Quantum mechanics (a math based theory) remains incompitable with General Relativity (another math based theory).

Math works fine on computers for obvious reasons.

[SushantaMog]

@soupdragon42 QM isn't purely mathematical, the cpu in your computer is build using semiconductors, devices adequately modeled in QM and then realized, built and mass produced. That is not pure mathematics it is engineering, application etc ... QM is in fact a ludicrous success non-math vise unless you count building devices math.

[collarbonebmx]

@soupdragon42

The LHC has been running tests for some time. Regardless of their success finding the higgs, they have learned much about a number of particles and their interactions. Also, quantum mechanics was a model built upon experimental evidence and therefore not some mathematical foreplay for theorists. It is real. The effects are observable in a number of situations. And while the effects of relativity weren't noticed until their derivation, the predictions have been accurate.

[soupdragon42]

@collarbonebmx Wishful thinking I would suggest. What have they learned about the Higgs?

[collarbonebmx]

@soupdragon42

I should have said, "regardless of their lack of success." The point is that the LHC has been providing a lot of information for some time now, and it is just wrong to say that it is not working.

[soupdragon42]

@collarbonebmx Well, let's hope that it is doing something useful, and that a 'lof of information' is not just PR! Best. Soup

[datzfast]

@slappy 420usa what is gravity what is light what is magnetism they are not correctly answered by quantum yet here we are today using a computer built by trial and error.

[adapaevolved]

if anyone wants to beat relativity, you do it with useful technology based on your theory, thats how religions and ideologies are fought, and thats what SR, GR, LCDM etc. became, dont fight fire with fire, fight it with water

[Kenzofeis]

@adapaevolved Not firewater I presume..

[MrBarnabas09]

This video reminds me of a question that has been on my mind for years.  That is: How close to the speed of light could matter travel before acquiring infinite mass?

[adapaevolved]

infinity can never be reached, it has no limit

[SuperMagnetizer]

@MrBarnabas09

"How close to the speed of light could matter travel before acquiring infinite mass?"

From an observer "at rest" it appears that an object traveling close to light-speed is becoming more massive, but this is not real. From the traveler's perspective, the observer is traveling and the traveler is "at rest." So the observer appears to be gaining mass and having trouble reaching light speed. But these are all observational effects. No one gains mass. No time dilation either.

[definitionofis]

e=mc2 was originally about kinetic energy, not atomic energy. So although your answer seems correct, I'm having trouble making e=mc2 fit it. Perhap the energy requirement is also only observational ?

[SuperMagnetizer]

Hi Definitionofis,

Yes you are right that E = mc2 was derived from an expression for Relativistic Kinetic Energy (RKE). E is Total Energy, and m is relativistic mass, equal to RM, where the Relativity factor R = (1-v2/c2)^-1/2 and M is the Rest Mass. RKE = (1/2)Mv2 = Mc2(R-1). Total E = RMc2 from Einstein, and Rest Mass is Mc2.

But V = Rv according to my calculations, where v is apparent velocity and V is Proper Velocity. R should be applied only to v or c, never to M, in my view. I think.

[SuperMagnetizer]

Sorry, I said Rest Mass is Mc2. I should have said Rest Energy is Mc2, since Relativisitc Kinetic Energy = Total Energy - Rest Energy.

[clargdorp]

Some misunderstandings exist in the "facts" on this vid.

[soupdragon42]

For example?

[Event3Horizon]

I have to call BS on this one. You're saying that its just a pure coincidence that GR can calculate gravitational fields and the motion of our universe to extreme precision?

GPS clocks run slower than earth clocks?

Gravitational Lensing?

GR explains FAR more things in our universe mathematically than the small of things it doesn't explain.

[soupdragon42]

MYth number 1: GPS clocks run slower. No they do not. They were expected to, but there is no firm evidence that they do. Likewise, the time dilation experiment has been shown to be wishful thinking!

[Omegeas]

I didn't finish watching your video, but i just want to say this: there is firm evidence that clocks run slower in space than on earth. atomic clocks on satellites have to be updated by nanoseconds daily. that's a fact that's, I would say that's been predicted by general relativity but from what i did see of your video, you don't believe in it. I respect that, but I think that some things out on the web are false and some aren't.

[marneedear]

If you google a little you will find an alternative hypothesis. From what I have read there is a dirty little secret in NASA: the clocks are calibrated but they do not do the calibrations according to a relativity based algorithm.

[soupdragon42]

Yes, this is a fact. Anyway, the guy who invented the atomic clock they used laughed at the slow-clocks experiment, pointing out that the math was very flawed.

[soupdragon42]

Gravitational lensing is a vague interpretation conjured up to support the existence of alleged dark matter. You are clutching at straws now.

[Event3Horizon]

Ok, so particle accelerators can accelerate particles near the speed of light. RIGHT? Or is this also a myth? They have confirmed that they behave as special and general relativity predict. These accelerators wouldn't even work if they weren't engineered according to relativistic principles. Sure, I'd like them to explain dark energy/matter in a more concrete way, and spacecraft anomolies, but, this is not an error in our physics. Its an error because we think that space is empty.

[Kenzofeis]

@Event3Horizon "GPS clocks run slower than earth clocks?"

How fast does the Earth travel eround the sun, and how fast are the Sun travelling in space (and the planets with it) in comparison?

The satellites will go faster and slower relative to these motions, just like our Moon travels faster and slower around the sun, depending on orbit direction this "slow" would in many cases be cancelled out, right (e.g. polar orbits)?

[MrRangerTom]

Joking aside, yes, mathematics is the great illusion of reality. They forget it is only a convenient language tool for modeling. Epicycles were mathematical tools used to describe the position of planets and their motions, but to think scientists got closer to the "truth" of "reality" with changing the reference frame or using equations that imply instantaneous force at a distance is ludicrous. Tesla is right. Math isn't the map TO reality--it's experiment.

[MrRangerTom]

My gravity toilet produces spirals. If it was EM, Everyone would be afraid to sit down (hehe). But please, in the name of my Serbian cousin, Tesla, please don't block or delete me. I just can't resist a good joke!

[soupdragon42]

Well, yes, the spin of the planet can generate this effect, but in empty space? Furthermore, we are still not sure what gravity actually is.

[MrRangerTom]

"Not being sure of what something actually is" is the playground of devils, preachers, mystics, parapsychologists, metaphysicians and snake oil salesmen.

[soupdragon42]

Exactly! Mainstream astronomy is sure that 90% of the universe is dark matter and dark energy, and yet is not sure what it is?

[MrRangerTom]

You misunderstood. The people to whom I refer, who aren't sure what something actually is are the flocks these conmen pickpocket. Anstronomers are in pursuit of the physical nature of the universe for the advancement of humankind, while psychics, preachers and snake oil salesmen are in pursuit of the green in your jeans for their advancement made by your loss.

[soupdragon42]

A comment by a flamer (octelcogopod) removed and user banned.

[dggfhdfghdf]

thnx, I dont feel so alone anymore :)

bless

[nfexp]

And practical people likes also trance too!:)

I believe in Electric Field!

[kriscool001]

Planets in our solar system are revolving around the Sun not because of its sun's gravity. It is the push of the sun and the push of the outer circle of stars(mentioned in the zodiac symbols) the keep the Planets in motion and the planets as a way to escape this push from both sides result in revolution around the sun.We should understand that stars, planets and other objects in space all have different properties and not all of them follow the concept of gravitation.

[0siander]

Cool

[epitaphz]

Excellent - yes the models seem weak while their popularity seems strong! Great video - thank you.

[psilotum10000]

Excessive hypotheticals, Yes.

Hutchinson effect, No. That is where you lost me. If it has been well documented in well controlled, repeatable experiments (something I haven't seen) than the scientific community would be responding in a very significant way.

[soupdragon42]

I would recommend that you research more on Hutchison type effects, and I would also suggest that much official work in this area remains classified. Admittedly, however, there appears to be some difficulty in achieving consistent results...

Wikipedia dismisses the H effect out of hand, which is a sure sign that there must be something in it!

Best regards

DVD

[psilotum10000]

That is a first for me: Using the fact that wikipedia rejects a possition as proof that it is in fact true :D

Okay. I won't write anything off. I just think that the initial criticism of contemporary physics should be made regardless. I also worry that some people are counting on elaborate conspiracies being the only thing separating us from free energy, anti-gravity, FTL and meeting captain Kirk (if you know what I mean)... I think we need to make are plans based on knowns, not possibilities?

[soupdragon42]

A number of Wikipedia editors are known to be running a personal crusade against the Electric Universe. They have gone as far as hacking sites and sending numerous abusive emails. Unfortunately, this can happen on Wikipedia where the bahaviour of just a few can be very destructive.

[vietarc]

There are a few scientist who knows the truth. Those are government scientist that study and research Tesla's Dynamic Gravity theory paper which is still classify. It doesn't matter, even without his paper, we still have enough clue to figure out what Tesla was talking about. The emerging of overunity is real and it's already here.

[circle559]

most mathmatical approach fails to explain the net behaviuor of grav because we fail to log in in our equasions other factors that may interupt the natural behaviuor of what we are trying to explain. a natural orbit of a celestial body is circular by nature of gravity only. maths can reflect reality if all factors concerning that reality are mathmatically loged in the equasion. if were to only express grav between 2 object mathmaticaly we will have the circular orbit behaviuor

[chrismcam2]

This video went right over your head.

[jimthebutcher]

clicked wrong should be thumbs down

relaativity predicts eliptica orbits and precesion.

[theunknownknows]

It seems to me that the "scientific community" has developed its own culture, and, like all cultures, it has positive and negative aspects, which are passed on hand in hand to each new generation as traditions. Hard to break traditions, it is.

[RodneyKawecki]

What if I told you that there exist no energy between masses as gravity perdicts from Einsteins view? What I told you the space between the two masses was empty space? Read Kawecki Videos

[maurieer]

Yes, it seems that conventional theorists are having a tough time grasping the uncomplicated

without wrapping themselves up in complicated

mathematics and hypotheticals.

[ManDown4]

awesome and trippy

[comixmcj]

Amazing - thanks

[shrunkensimon]

Thanks for making more videos :-)

Commenting on your own videos though, through a seperate youtube account, is pretty lame though dude..

[TheBadAsstronomer]

Again, great work