You have to love the sheer difference in the engine sounds. The "Playing card in wheel spokes" sound of the Sopwith and the aggressive and sexy purr of the Spitfire. Two amazing aircraft to be sure!
Seeing the Camel run through her ignition process ... Terrifying!!
Allows you to begin to understand the sheer terror the WW1 pilots must have felt simply starting their planes ... showcases how brave these pilots really were, to be able to overcome their fear barrier and maintain effective dogfighting skills.... Amazingly Courageous!!
Watching these two iconic warbirds in formation ... Spellbinding!!
the way that late model Spit is going thru that large loop with the hill's and greenery, and river's in the background and that sound od that merlin in ABSOLUTE MAJESTY.
1916 and 1936, 20 years apart: they fly as close as any two generations, and they look as good, and as strangely different. A harmonious clash--like any two generations.
To: justforever96. Does not matter where they do the tribute. NZ pilots of all wars flew just about every type of plane from WW1 to present day. At least a tribute has been done. This air show is in Wanaka NZ held in the south island every 2 years.
Anyone who likes the sopwith camel, look out for a old book called "War in a string bag" camels had a mountain top secret base behind enemy lines... good read
@3ISAMAGICNUMBR Maybe not ten pounds, but it's friggin canvas and wood...a man could lift the tail of one on the ground, and it's got the wing loading of a kite! Very sensitive to wind gusts, especially "hot ships" like the Camel, which was twichy. That's why it was so maneuverable. On the other hand, there were planes back then that were so stable that the pilot could just about climb out of the cockpit onto the wing, and it'd just fly along nice and straight all by itself. =)
I love the visual of the bobbing camel fighting for control and airspeed. And right behind her, hips rolling, a slight bounce in the cleavage is the Spitfire. If anyone watches the show Mad men its like watching Peggy Olsen being over taken by Joan Holloway!
Wow watch that airframe rock as the motor is run up, not to mention the sound, saw this knome motor in the museum and it stated it needs a complete srip down after just 12h flying, beautiful aircraft the camel, just has a romance about it despite its purpose, oh then the spit turns up and that merlin purr. It does look very false when the spit arrives though. sound of the camel landing it lovely
@JOHNO4992 I think that's just the way old engines were, you listen to a world war II plane engine running even and it's coughing and popping, sounds rough.
I've flown a Sopwith clone (can't call it a Camel) and it had absolutely no trim characteristics whatsoever. The men who flew these things back then had to be made of iron. It's unbelievably cold up there, they had to fight the plane just to maintain level flight, and he isn't kidding when he says she wants to dive. Like she wants to die.
A camel would turn faster right than left, but it DIDN'T angle up or down when banking. Also, I don't think they had it right about the engine, most camels used a Rolls Royce engine.
( the chocks should have been on a string so the mechanic didn't have to crawl.)
@alfredblarzgh the only reason it wouldn't angle is because the pilot has to correct that, the man flys the dam thing I think he knows a touch more than you.
More so they didnt use RR engines, they were Gnomes a Le Rhone here and there and the odd Bently BR1 is later versions
There was no throttle control back then....you had either on or off! the blip is the pilot flicking the mags on and off to stop the engine turning..........if half the time the engine is off thats kinda like half throttle! shows how easy flying planes this size is these days with cessnas and pipers
I would like to ask what is the reason why the pilot use the gas in that strange way. I'm a propeller pilot too, but I've never been on old-birds. Maybe there is a precisous reason for use the gas "up & down"?
Thank you for the future answer, andrea - Roma - Italia.
Wow! What a beautiful image. It's so cool to see how much planes of all kinds have advanced. Just between WW1 and WW2 you can see such a big diffrence in how far technology had come, and now look what we have. These planes are wonderful reminders of the birth of flight, keep em flyin!
Beautiful.. absolutely beautiful , and in my home of New Zealand too. BTW Never turn down the opportunity to go topside for a flight over Wanaka and the surrounding area STUNNING
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So why did they choose to fly these two great European combat fighters in NZ? I mean, nothing against NZ, who was plenty involved in both of those wars, but that's like doing a American Civil War re-enactment in the French countryside....
All the same, two lovely planes. You can certainly appreciate the value of the camouflage too...at one point, when the camera pans to the Camel, it took me a second to SEE the thing! And from certain angles, you can easily see where the "Camel" name came from!
@justforever96 So going by your fucked up logic Lamborghini owners are only allowed to drive their car's in Italy? Quite a few classic aircraft are based in & owned by New Zealander's. I'll tell all the classic aircraft owners here in New Zealand that some idiot on YT said you have to ship your aeroplanes overseas to where they originated from before your allowed to fly them. Moron!
@Steve181 I never said that all Spitfires and Camels should stay in England. Don't twist my words. I meant that it's odd that they chose to do this tribute flight to two great fighters over NZ, where they never fought, rather than over Europe, or somewhere else they did. If any planes were shipped, it would be to film them and then send them back home. As for Lamborghinis, if one were to make a tribute to them, it'd be BEST filmed in Italy...but it'd be weird if they did it in, say Ethiopia.
@neverboardproduction I guess he'd have to have it on 100%, to warm up all the cylinders, huh? The blip switches were to cut power so you could control thrust a little...I'm not an expert, but there may be a governor that keeps cutting the ignition when the RPMs reach a certain point. Kind of like "bouncing a (car) engine off the rev limiter"...try pushing the gas in neutral in a car, and the engine will spin up to redline, cut out and drop 1,000RPM, hit the redline, cut out and drop, etc, etc-
@rikkilambo Why the JSF? I'd choose an actual classic to fly with these great machines, not an unproved and not-entirely-convincing new creation which may or may not even prove to be worth the money (or to even work passably). The Spitfire and the Camel have been written forever into history as classic icons of their respective wars...the F-35 is for the moment no no more than a interesting technology demonstrator. If it ever becomes an integral part of a great war, THEN maybe it can join them.
The Sopwith Camel and Spitfire proved themselves against the top German fighters in both wars. Fact is the Sopwith Camel was the aircraft in all WWI that scored most downed enemy planes.
@McLarenMercedes True, but to be honest about it, it also killed more Allied pilots than the enemy did! Or was it that more Camels were lost in accidents than were shot down?
Probably a myth. But the Sopwith Camel was a tricky plane which inexperienced pilots got in a lot of accidents with.
The only fighter plane which killed more pilotis in accidents than they actually lost in battle, or even managed to shoot down was the rocket-powered Messerschmitt Me163. A bit too ahead of time.
@McLarenMercedes Well...that's the nice way to put it. I prefer "crazy idea in general". The Me-163 would have been a nice little experimental project in peacetime, but trying to throw it into the middle of a desperate, bloody war was just daft. Although I have to admit that overall it was better conceived and engineered than the He-162, which isn't saying much.
Indeed Germany wasted precious time and resources researching wild projects for new "wonder weapons", rather than mass producing proven weapons, but since it was clear by mid '43 that Germany was losing the war and could never hope to compete with the resources of its enemies all kinds of bold (read long shot) type of weapons were tested. They were so desperate they knew only wonderweapons could possibly save them from defeat (or total annihilation).
@McLarenMercedes You should read John M Grider's diary - available free online (project gutenberg Australia). It seems more pilots die in training than they do at the front, and every time a Camel goes up and turns left, the wings inevitably break off. It might be a myth, but it's a very believable one.
@CONZINIO British planes do kick ass but give us Yanks a little credit we did have the North American P-51, the Northrop P-38 lightning, Curtis P-40 warhawk, republic P-47 thunderbolt, and the Boeing B-17/ B-24 Bomber. got to love the U.K. Jaguar engines the U.S./U.K. Rolls Royce Merlin engine, and that fine Pratt Whitney 800 hp R 1830-1 engine, and finally the Wright 1,000 hp cyclone engine (B-17 bomber)
if any one cares wing wrapping belonged to the wright brothers and was patined
when glenn curtis worked for them he suggested the type we see today, the wrights laught at him, so he quite went out and started his own company and developed the rest, so the wrights started flying but glenn curtis brought it into the future. we need more men/women like him, his forward thinking was awsume, wish i could have know him.
@IGO4MAKO1 Yeah they copied all the american ww1 planes, oh wait there weren't any. The u.s didn't even have an air force until after ww1, and they learned everything from pioneering european fighters and there tactics. So ppfffffttt....american technology, they watch everyone else then copy & take full credit afterward
Did you ever hear the Curtiss JN 4 or do you have any idea what a Liberty engine is? How about how we won the war for you Britts, both times. Maybe you should just say thanks and leave it at that or perhaps you should just pipe down and go back to bed, mate.
@IGO4MAKO1 The Curtiss JN 4 never saw anything beyond a flying school, nice try though, and you started this, why argue about things we never saw and have no link to other than what we've read or been told, when you say "we" won the war, what specific personal input are you referring too? The world as we know it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't for the Brits, America is just a colony that broke away
@Diff4us I believe the fabric was a type of linen covered with what was known as "dope" , which may have been an early resin-based application (for want of better wording) in that era, then painted. Of course, the "dope" could have been colored, and also may have been an early form of the liquid used to attach tissue paper to balsa model airplanes today. I hope someone will either verify/correct me if I'm wrong.
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@MrRunforyourlife Hey now. I'm an American, I love my Mustangs and Lightnings, but it is an undeniable fact that the Spitfire is a gorgeous aircraft, and well deserving of its reputation.
That's some beautiful video.....my compliments. The Spitfire was the best fighter available to England at the time and certainly helped thwart Goerings plans. Only when the American designs appeared was there a better fighter....i.e. The P-51 Mustang with the license built Packard Merlin engine, the P-47 "jug" and the Grumman Hellcat.. This is not to take away anything from the Spitfire or the Hurricanes. I'm particularly fond of the De Havilland Mosquito, "the wooden wonder".
what's even harder for me to believe is that from the way the Sopwith's engine was sputtering, I expected the engine to quit and the plane to fall out of the sky at any time. The Spit looked like at least a Mk 9 to me but I'm probably wrong on that. The formation was beautiful though.
It is so nice to see they kept those two plans working and in good condition. It would bring a tear to my maternal grandfathers eyes if he were alive today. In just 21 years technology hade avanced SO far.
Maybe it's time to have a spot of tea and chill out.
Remember you guy's were going under when we got there with our B-17's, P-40's, P-38's etc. If your spitfire was so great you probably wouldn't have been in such trouble. Not to mention, I don't think anyone even said "thanks for saving us".
Relax DazDaMan, You guy's did great. Though the Nazi's were at some disadvantege with respect to fuel while traveling to england, you guy's were great.
I just don't understand why you didn't send in 007?
@IGO4MAKO1 I'm not British. You guys didn't save me but I do seem to remember the Americans being thanked more than once for their help, late though it was.
@PahaLukki The Camel isn't junk. I was one of the most effective fighters of it's time. As for WW2 fighters. The Spitfire will kill the careless or the unwary pilot just as easily as the Camel. They are still difficult to fly.
@DazDaMan Only in comparison to other WW2 fighters. It will still kill you if you don't respect it's quirks. All WW2 fighters are difficult to fly. It's all relative.
@nolhrt The Spitfire isn't difficult to fly, of that I am sure. I don't remember the details exactly on Spitfire, but most late war planes were equipped with constant speed propeller, automatic mixture and fuel injection, automatic leading edge slats, button push landing gear and so on. Quite simply, in the air, you only had your stick, pedals and throttle to worry about, and the trigger, because the engines were so automated. After computerization, aircraft came to be more complex.
@PahaLukki@PahaLukki LOL that's good, well bless your innocence. I suggest you go and do a bit of reading up on Spitfires and the like. The Spitfire was never fuel injected to the best of my knowledge, never had leading edge slats. The only one I can think of was the '109. When pilots say the Spitfire was easy to fly. They mean in comparison to other fighters, although one of the easiest was in fact the Hurricane.
@nolhrt Well I've flown IL-2 Sturmovik enough to know. I always hated Spitfire cause it looks kinda dumb. Didn't realize how much more advanced the 109 really is. But basically the WW2 fighters don't stall on negative G, and require very little user input during flight, other than stick and throttle. Especially germans had automatic supercharger stages, automatic prop pitch, injection, slats etc. So the 109 fits like a glove and the pilot can focus on hitting the enemy. Spit sucks lol. ;)
@PahaLukki I mean don't stall the engine like I-16 or Hurricane does if you push the nose down. The Spit has a refined carburetor and later models had some sort of crude injection carburettor. So that's why the engine stall is not modeled in Spits of IL-2. It's a good simulation, try it.
But all of them killed more than their fair share of pilots because they are not in fact 'easy' to fly at all. They are lightweight airframes with massive engines, you can lose control in a moment. The F4U corsair was famous for being tricky and was nicknamed 'The Ensign eliminator' because it killed so many young pilots. Modern aircraft are more complex but actually easier to fly because of the computers. You say you've never flown a 'plane. Well it shows.
Actually the P-38 isn't even the most famous American type of WW2.The Spit might just be the most famous fighter of all time period... if you poll people from more then just one country!
Very nice show. Only I have to disagree about the spitfire being the most famous aircraft of WW2. Maybe the most famous British aircraft of WW2. I think most would agree the Lockheed P-38 Lightning was the cream of the crop in WW2.
remarkable piece of art...
OrganicGardenMKD 2 weeks ago
You have to love the sheer difference in the engine sounds. The "Playing card in wheel spokes" sound of the Sopwith and the aggressive and sexy purr of the Spitfire. Two amazing aircraft to be sure!
CIWS1 3 weeks ago
Cant OUT RUN a Spitfire in WW2
I3akz 3 weeks ago
Lamb in a Spitfire .. Majestic!!
Seeing the Camel run through her ignition process ... Terrifying!!
Allows you to begin to understand the sheer terror the WW1 pilots must have felt simply starting their planes ... showcases how brave these pilots really were, to be able to overcome their fear barrier and maintain effective dogfighting skills.... Amazingly Courageous!!
Watching these two iconic warbirds in formation ... Spellbinding!!
This video moves me .. thank you!
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The camel is going flat out, and the spitfire is about to drop out of the sky, Thats pretty funny.
a1stooge 1 month ago
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a1stooge 1 month ago
03:31 they COULD do it with a stick, a roll bar...you know. lol
thatswassupone 1 month ago
Beautiful video, thanks ! And without f... music !... The engines sound is here PURE MUSIC !
eromadrol 1 month ago
for those of you from reddit its not until 5:03
shashvatjaiswal 2 months ago
i meant WW1 spad
spoada 2 months ago
never knew that camel engine had that oil spewing system. so cool. the sdadd sounds really cool too.
spoada 2 months ago
Sopwith Camel and Supermarine Spitfire, both of 'em..."like a boss".
This vid made my day.
towerful1 2 months ago
simply gorgeous, both of 'em!!!
55chh 2 months ago
the way that late model Spit is going thru that large loop with the hill's and greenery, and river's in the background and that sound od that merlin in ABSOLUTE MAJESTY.
Totallly Incredible.
kirkconway 2 months ago
Spectacular, but no contrast is as stark as that JU-52 flying in formation with the Lufthansa 737!
greenseaships 3 months ago
Is anyone else thinking Dick Dastardly and Mutley?
sean050483 3 months ago
I want a damn Spitfire... and a P-38 Lightning
supermankicass 3 months ago
Engine isn't hard to handle......engine is just hell of a crap...it's obvious that it doesn't work properly.
Loveyourdisk 4 months ago
@Loveyourdisk You are obviously talking out of your ass sir. You control the engine speed buy turning it on and off.
a1stooge 1 month ago
1916 and 1936, 20 years apart: they fly as close as any two generations, and they look as good, and as strangely different. A harmonious clash--like any two generations.
Grroocx 4 months ago
It would be cool if in the formation will fly Sopwith Camel, spitfire and F-18 XD
Maximususs 4 months ago
Awesome video - what's the original full length video this clip is taken from?
ICEMAN440X 4 months ago
Biggles made it all seem so easy......
riottaba 4 months ago
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maldmc2 4 months ago
why does it look fake lol
robiniroven 5 months ago
One man (dislike) thinks that Justin Bieber is the best :P BTW Really nice video!! Legendary Sopwith Camel and Spitfire... one word - Paradise!
AiroplaneFan1989 6 months ago
To: justforever96. Does not matter where they do the tribute. NZ pilots of all wars flew just about every type of plane from WW1 to present day. At least a tribute has been done. This air show is in Wanaka NZ held in the south island every 2 years.
Paulshatford 6 months ago
WTF!
dpcnull 6 months ago
The sound of the Spitfire is just beautiful!
draoi99 6 months ago
Which mad stoned nut clicked on the dislike button???
shaheertanveerakhan 6 months ago
@shaheertanveerakhan ermmmm a german? lol
Mattie123 6 months ago
@Mattie123 LOLL!!!
shaheertanveerakhan 6 months ago
"Always treat your kite like you treat your woman - get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back."
lrdiscoveryII 7 months ago
Haha I bet that is the best work out that the camel has had in a while.
yak52aholic 7 months ago
that dude has got some serious stones to be up in that thing, yeesh.
lvgordo 7 months ago
OMG that's awesome!
ChicaWolverina 8 months ago
all i can say is that the spitfire is one sexy plane
RangerYorki 8 months ago
i love the way it sounds when it first starts. buuuuuuzzzzzzzz buuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzz buuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzz
fillopygeesi 8 months ago
Magnificent video. Thank you.
catfishmudflap 8 months ago
Anyone who likes the sopwith camel, look out for a old book called "War in a string bag" camels had a mountain top secret base behind enemy lines... good read
SE09uk 8 months ago
That thing needs a tuneup. It smokes more than a 78 camaro.
rickcain2320 8 months ago
@rickcain2320 Isn't that just the oil spraying everywhere?
Elcore 8 months ago
Does the Sopwith weigh like 10 pounds? It sure does get tossed around.
3ISAMAGICNUMBR 9 months ago
@3ISAMAGICNUMBR Maybe not ten pounds, but it's friggin canvas and wood...a man could lift the tail of one on the ground, and it's got the wing loading of a kite! Very sensitive to wind gusts, especially "hot ships" like the Camel, which was twichy. That's why it was so maneuverable. On the other hand, there were planes back then that were so stable that the pilot could just about climb out of the cockpit onto the wing, and it'd just fly along nice and straight all by itself. =)
justforever96 9 months ago
stunning video. thank you!
loreztaken 9 months ago
Impressive camera work here, the sound's good too.
KnockoffNigeI 9 months ago
Excellent video, I love classic warbirds, great British warplanes. Awesome.
radiskull1973 9 months ago
Does anyone know what type of Spitfire that was? I'm betting that it 's either a 5 or a 9.
TheSV3 9 months ago
Outstanding footage. Simply amazing to see a rotary engine still working so well.
streakeagle 10 months ago
1 Hun disliked this video.
His Albatros was shot down by a Sopwith Camel.
RFCflyer9 10 months ago 9
English planes rules as to English engineering. Spitfire and Sopwith Camel FTW!!!
:)
ericvandenhaas 10 months ago 24
@ericvandenhaas I'm a fan of the F4-U and F6
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Yay Rule Britannia!
PureJockPureBrit 10 months ago
I love the visual of the bobbing camel fighting for control and airspeed. And right behind her, hips rolling, a slight bounce in the cleavage is the Spitfire. If anyone watches the show Mad men its like watching Peggy Olsen being over taken by Joan Holloway!
hanscombe72 10 months ago
Put a rope on those wheel chocks! Duh!
-jcr
NSResponder 10 months ago
Wow watch that airframe rock as the motor is run up, not to mention the sound, saw this knome motor in the museum and it stated it needs a complete srip down after just 12h flying, beautiful aircraft the camel, just has a romance about it despite its purpose, oh then the spit turns up and that merlin purr. It does look very false when the spit arrives though. sound of the camel landing it lovely
paul0367 10 months ago
5:10 it's ww1 and ww2 coming together! What a difference 20 years makes.
Linkage1992 10 months ago
One dislike? I guess the Red Baron is still alive!
pythag123 11 months ago 67
@pythag123 what would be wrong if he was still a live remember he was admired on all sides. FEARED and very much admired
Docthewrench 8 months ago
@pythag123 thats not the red baron, its just a twat!
GazzaFJ27 5 months ago
@pythag123 thats not the red baron, its just a twat!
GazzaFJ27 5 months ago
Beautiful!
Stylensky 11 months ago
Chocks away! Tally ho!
whowantsabighug 11 months ago
Armchair enthusiast here.. Any reason the Sopwith's engine sounds rough, seems to be missing a lot ? Cheers !!
JOHNO4992 1 year ago
@JOHNO4992 I think that's just the way old engines were, you listen to a world war II plane engine running even and it's coughing and popping, sounds rough.
cantroos 1 year ago
I've flown a Sopwith clone (can't call it a Camel) and it had absolutely no trim characteristics whatsoever. The men who flew these things back then had to be made of iron. It's unbelievably cold up there, they had to fight the plane just to maintain level flight, and he isn't kidding when he says she wants to dive. Like she wants to die.
MikeTMerciless 1 year ago
Two of my favorite planes.
A camel would turn faster right than left, but it DIDN'T angle up or down when banking. Also, I don't think they had it right about the engine, most camels used a Rolls Royce engine.
( the chocks should have been on a string so the mechanic didn't have to crawl.)
alfredblarzgh 1 year ago
@alfredblarzgh the only reason it wouldn't angle is because the pilot has to correct that, the man flys the dam thing I think he knows a touch more than you.
More so they didnt use RR engines, they were Gnomes a Le Rhone here and there and the odd Bently BR1 is later versions
smeghead666 1 year ago
Thats not a rotary engine, its a RADIAL engine....
SonOfRDGear 1 year ago
@SonOfRDGear No, that IS a rotary engine, a radial is fixed, it doesnt spin with the prop.
comradeboris 1 year ago
@comradeboris Yeah I looked it up. I was thinking of a Wankel rotary...
SonOfRDGear 1 year ago
@SonOfRDGear Regardless, both are awesome pieces of machinery
SonOfRDGear 1 year ago
that must have been hell to start one of these up on a cold day
inkey2 1 year ago
There was no throttle control back then....you had either on or off! the blip is the pilot flicking the mags on and off to stop the engine turning..........if half the time the engine is off thats kinda like half throttle! shows how easy flying planes this size is these days with cessnas and pipers
mea04nca 1 year ago 2
I would like to ask what is the reason why the pilot use the gas in that strange way. I'm a propeller pilot too, but I've never been on old-birds. Maybe there is a precisous reason for use the gas "up & down"?
Thank you for the future answer, andrea - Roma - Italia.
accuruneide 1 year ago
cool planes but no one realized that the engine is not running well. . . . . . . . .
marockipolska 1 year ago
british spell it right if your insulting them
breackbar 1 year ago
Great video. It shows us how far we've come, and it respects these two veterans of the past.
Too bad about the ugly and childish posts of some...
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it can be a scary moment when you are flying in camel and suddenly you see a spitfire behind you :)
Havlos1990 1 year ago
Wow! What a beautiful image. It's so cool to see how much planes of all kinds have advanced. Just between WW1 and WW2 you can see such a big diffrence in how far technology had come, and now look what we have. These planes are wonderful reminders of the birth of flight, keep em flyin!
Baroness1015 1 year ago
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Havlos1990 1 year ago
Great planes, thanks for the video!
BammBammBering 1 year ago
Beautiful.. absolutely beautiful , and in my home of New Zealand too. BTW Never turn down the opportunity to go topside for a flight over Wanaka and the surrounding area STUNNING
@justforever96 my guess because they were BUILT here
FLoYdInPink 1 year ago
Two of my favorite planes, togheater!
logantheace 1 year ago
Oh I've been in the cockpit of that Spitfire. Funny.
Fritters87 1 year ago
Fantastic!!!
UrsusVonForsteck78 1 year ago
Superb.
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Sandrago2345 1 year ago
So why did they choose to fly these two great European combat fighters in NZ? I mean, nothing against NZ, who was plenty involved in both of those wars, but that's like doing a American Civil War re-enactment in the French countryside....
All the same, two lovely planes. You can certainly appreciate the value of the camouflage too...at one point, when the camera pans to the Camel, it took me a second to SEE the thing! And from certain angles, you can easily see where the "Camel" name came from!
justforever96 1 year ago
@justforever96 So going by your fucked up logic Lamborghini owners are only allowed to drive their car's in Italy? Quite a few classic aircraft are based in & owned by New Zealander's. I'll tell all the classic aircraft owners here in New Zealand that some idiot on YT said you have to ship your aeroplanes overseas to where they originated from before your allowed to fly them. Moron!
Steve181 9 months ago
@Steve181 I never said that all Spitfires and Camels should stay in England. Don't twist my words. I meant that it's odd that they chose to do this tribute flight to two great fighters over NZ, where they never fought, rather than over Europe, or somewhere else they did. If any planes were shipped, it would be to film them and then send them back home. As for Lamborghinis, if one were to make a tribute to them, it'd be BEST filmed in Italy...but it'd be weird if they did it in, say Ethiopia.
justforever96 9 months ago
@neverboardproduction I guess he'd have to have it on 100%, to warm up all the cylinders, huh? The blip switches were to cut power so you could control thrust a little...I'm not an expert, but there may be a governor that keeps cutting the ignition when the RPMs reach a certain point. Kind of like "bouncing a (car) engine off the rev limiter"...try pushing the gas in neutral in a car, and the engine will spin up to redline, cut out and drop 1,000RPM, hit the redline, cut out and drop, etc, etc-
justforever96 1 year ago
i want to be a pilot!!
rikkilambo 1 year ago
lol , the Sopwith Camel is in 80%- 100% power , and the Spitfire is near 0%-50% power so big difference
7511232 1 year ago
Now try flying both of them with the F-35 JSF.
rikkilambo 1 year ago
@rikkilambo Why the JSF? I'd choose an actual classic to fly with these great machines, not an unproved and not-entirely-convincing new creation which may or may not even prove to be worth the money (or to even work passably). The Spitfire and the Camel have been written forever into history as classic icons of their respective wars...the F-35 is for the moment no no more than a interesting technology demonstrator. If it ever becomes an integral part of a great war, THEN maybe it can join them.
justforever96 1 year ago
@rikkilambo
what war did that serve in??
The Sopwith Camel and Spitfire proved themselves against the top German fighters in both wars. Fact is the Sopwith Camel was the aircraft in all WWI that scored most downed enemy planes.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago 2
@McLarenMercedes True, but to be honest about it, it also killed more Allied pilots than the enemy did! Or was it that more Camels were lost in accidents than were shot down?
justforever96 9 months ago
@justforever96
Probably a myth. But the Sopwith Camel was a tricky plane which inexperienced pilots got in a lot of accidents with.
The only fighter plane which killed more pilotis in accidents than they actually lost in battle, or even managed to shoot down was the rocket-powered Messerschmitt Me163. A bit too ahead of time.
McLarenMercedes 9 months ago
@McLarenMercedes Well...that's the nice way to put it. I prefer "crazy idea in general". The Me-163 would have been a nice little experimental project in peacetime, but trying to throw it into the middle of a desperate, bloody war was just daft. Although I have to admit that overall it was better conceived and engineered than the He-162, which isn't saying much.
justforever96 9 months ago
@justforever96
Indeed Germany wasted precious time and resources researching wild projects for new "wonder weapons", rather than mass producing proven weapons, but since it was clear by mid '43 that Germany was losing the war and could never hope to compete with the resources of its enemies all kinds of bold (read long shot) type of weapons were tested. They were so desperate they knew only wonderweapons could possibly save them from defeat (or total annihilation).
McLarenMercedes 9 months ago
@McLarenMercedes You should read John M Grider's diary - available free online (project gutenberg Australia). It seems more pilots die in training than they do at the front, and every time a Camel goes up and turns left, the wings inevitably break off. It might be a myth, but it's a very believable one.
Elcore 8 months ago
Man, what a phenomenal scene! I can't get over how good it is to see these planes still flying.
callinstead09 1 year ago
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BRitish planes kick ass
CONZINIO 1 year ago 10
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@CONZINIO BRITISCH Planes suck Cocks.
penetriergott 1 year ago
@penetriergott
Well, they seemed to work well when shooting you Krauts down :-)
camhottylover 1 year ago
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@CONZINIO British planes do kick ass but give us Yanks a little credit we did have the North American P-51, the Northrop P-38 lightning, Curtis P-40 warhawk, republic P-47 thunderbolt, and the Boeing B-17/ B-24 Bomber. got to love the U.K. Jaguar engines the U.S./U.K. Rolls Royce Merlin engine, and that fine Pratt Whitney 800 hp R 1830-1 engine, and finally the Wright 1,000 hp cyclone engine (B-17 bomber)
cheers simon from Ohio
bad74maverick1 10 months ago
turn up spaekers at 8:15.exquisite merlin engine sound
C906070 1 year ago
spitfire looks so futuristic in this video
dacke93 1 year ago 2
if any one cares wing wrapping belonged to the wright brothers and was patined
when glenn curtis worked for them he suggested the type we see today, the wrights laught at him, so he quite went out and started his own company and developed the rest, so the wrights started flying but glenn curtis brought it into the future. we need more men/women like him, his forward thinking was awsume, wish i could have know him.
MrWildkat 1 year ago
This video changed my whole view of aircraft before 1930 and how they operated
crazygood150 1 year ago
@crazygood150 lol
7511232 1 year ago
Are these guys brain dead or what?
Why not just have a rope or chain attached to the wheel chocks so you don't have to get so close to the propeller?
aarongohn 1 year ago
@aarongohn British technology, they watch everyone else then copy & take full credit afterward.
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago
@IGO4MAKO1 .... only an american would say such thing lmao
BluesMan4ty5 1 year ago 2
@IGO4MAKO1 Yeah they copied all the american ww1 planes, oh wait there weren't any. The u.s didn't even have an air force until after ww1, and they learned everything from pioneering european fighters and there tactics. So ppfffffttt....american technology, they watch everyone else then copy & take full credit afterward
hemigtx 1 year ago 2
@hemigtx
Did you ever hear the Curtiss JN 4 or do you have any idea what a Liberty engine is? How about how we won the war for you Britts, both times. Maybe you should just say thanks and leave it at that or perhaps you should just pipe down and go back to bed, mate.
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago
@IGO4MAKO1 The Curtiss JN 4 never saw anything beyond a flying school, nice try though, and you started this, why argue about things we never saw and have no link to other than what we've read or been told, when you say "we" won the war, what specific personal input are you referring too? The world as we know it wouldn't be the same if it wasn't for the Brits, America is just a colony that broke away
hemigtx 1 year ago
@hemigtx Knucklehead!
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago
Anyone know what type of fabric was used and was it coated with some type of resin or just painted?
Diff4us 1 year ago
@Diff4us I believe the fabric was a type of linen covered with what was known as "dope" , which may have been an early resin-based application (for want of better wording) in that era, then painted. Of course, the "dope" could have been colored, and also may have been an early form of the liquid used to attach tissue paper to balsa model airplanes today. I hope someone will either verify/correct me if I'm wrong.
TheSV3 9 months ago
DAGA DAGA DAGA DAGA! We've shot it down!!!
TheSoccerGoalkeeper 1 year ago
fable2omg 1 year ago
the idiot who disliked this is either american or a gay.
MrRunforyourlife 1 year ago
@MrRunforyourlife ROFL : )
fable2omg 1 year ago
@MrRunforyourlife
Neither of which should be lampooned.
Nikifuj908 1 year ago
@MrRunforyourlife Hey now. I'm an American, I love my Mustangs and Lightnings, but it is an undeniable fact that the Spitfire is a gorgeous aircraft, and well deserving of its reputation.
CDMVette 1 year ago
@CDMVette lols. not all americans dislike the spitfire. im just saying some dislike.
MrRunforyourlife 1 year ago
@MrRunforyourlife Still I Wanna Buy A Civilian Sopwith Camel ._.
PlushGallade 1 year ago
i wonder if u can still build these old airplanes
ESP471 1 year ago
my favourite airplane is the sopwith camel
ESP471 1 year ago
Is it right that the engine of the Sopwith sounds so weird? :S
Baronof92 1 year ago
@Baronof92 not really it sounds good
ESP471 1 year ago
@ESP471 hmm ok :)
Baronof92 1 year ago
@Baronof92 Replica Sopwith Camel ......
7511232 1 year ago
@7511232 thx for info
Baronof92 1 year ago
@mattrabeauthehero
YES..and you can see the wires...i bet you can... ;)
Zweispeer 1 year ago
That's some beautiful video.....my compliments. The Spitfire was the best fighter available to England at the time and certainly helped thwart Goerings plans. Only when the American designs appeared was there a better fighter....i.e. The P-51 Mustang with the license built Packard Merlin engine, the P-47 "jug" and the Grumman Hellcat.. This is not to take away anything from the Spitfire or the Hurricanes. I'm particularly fond of the De Havilland Mosquito, "the wooden wonder".
SpeedyNeutrino43 1 year ago
Two of the best fighters of their time period...
AWESOME
FokkerBoombass 1 year ago
lool, that spitfire was making an effort not to stall at such low speeds
cerealpipe 1 year ago
what's even harder for me to believe is that from the way the Sopwith's engine was sputtering, I expected the engine to quit and the plane to fall out of the sky at any time. The Spit looked like at least a Mk 9 to me but I'm probably wrong on that. The formation was beautiful though.
TheSV3 1 year ago
NICE!!! Now we just need to add a Eurofighter Typhoon!
RedHeadRadulf83 1 year ago
Great vid, Nice upload, Thanx!! I was wondering how they were going to remove the chocks from the Sopwith, I believe I'd tie a rope or chain!!
clintonearlwalker 1 year ago
The Sopwith Camel is Snoopy's airplane :)
GravyPipeline 1 year ago
It is so nice to see they kept those two plans working and in good condition. It would bring a tear to my maternal grandfathers eyes if he were alive today. In just 21 years technology hade avanced SO far.
meatisdeliciouse 1 year ago
Spitfires are sexy.
Kullg4r 1 year ago 26
@Kullg4r
So does the Sopwith.
FS2004ACoF 1 year ago
@Kullg4r A Sopwith Camel would out-turn most of 'em.
Fireheart528 1 year ago
The spit is massive compared to the camel.
PubicMen 1 year ago
Really nice video I liked it a lot. I must admit though, the real treat was from 8:16 when you finally get to hear that Merlin letting loose.
hecklovetch 1 year ago
they should have a sea harrier fly alongside them
0neofthem 1 year ago
Fantastic video!
Thanks so much for posting this.
Seeing the whole engine go around is a HOOT!
JGMagoo 1 year ago
Great !
Meirele 1 year ago
One on stall- and one on topspeed, brilliant !!!
painfbat 1 year ago
Maybe it's time to have a spot of tea and chill out.
Remember you guy's were going under when we got there with our B-17's, P-40's, P-38's etc. If your spitfire was so great you probably wouldn't have been in such trouble. Not to mention, I don't think anyone even said "thanks for saving us".
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago
@IGO4MAKO1
We successfully held off the Nazi invasion in a little skirmish called "The Battle of Britain" - perhaps you've heard of it?
DazDaMan 1 year ago 2
@IGO4MAKO1
We successfully held off the Nazi invasion in a little skirmish called "The Battle of Britain" - perhaps you've heard of it?
DazDaMan 1 year ago
@DazDaMan
Relax DazDaMan, You guy's did great. Though the Nazi's were at some disadvantege with respect to fuel while traveling to england, you guy's were great.
I just don't understand why you didn't send in 007?
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago
@IGO4MAKO1 I'm not British. You guys didn't save me but I do seem to remember the Americans being thanked more than once for their help, late though it was.
nolhrt 1 year ago
I've never flown a plane, but judging from that description, I'd skip a chance to try a Sopwith Camel. What a junk! WW2 warbirds seem a lot easier.
PahaLukki 1 year ago
@PahaLukki The Camel isn't junk. I was one of the most effective fighters of it's time. As for WW2 fighters. The Spitfire will kill the careless or the unwary pilot just as easily as the Camel. They are still difficult to fly.
nolhrt 1 year ago 2
@nolhrt
The Spit was, and still is, generally considered to be one of the easiest tailwheel warbirds to fly...
DazDaMan 1 year ago
@DazDaMan Only in comparison to other WW2 fighters. It will still kill you if you don't respect it's quirks. All WW2 fighters are difficult to fly. It's all relative.
nolhrt 1 year ago
@nolhrt The Spitfire isn't difficult to fly, of that I am sure. I don't remember the details exactly on Spitfire, but most late war planes were equipped with constant speed propeller, automatic mixture and fuel injection, automatic leading edge slats, button push landing gear and so on. Quite simply, in the air, you only had your stick, pedals and throttle to worry about, and the trigger, because the engines were so automated. After computerization, aircraft came to be more complex.
PahaLukki 1 year ago
@PahaLukki @PahaLukki LOL that's good, well bless your innocence. I suggest you go and do a bit of reading up on Spitfires and the like. The Spitfire was never fuel injected to the best of my knowledge, never had leading edge slats. The only one I can think of was the '109. When pilots say the Spitfire was easy to fly. They mean in comparison to other fighters, although one of the easiest was in fact the Hurricane.
nolhrt 1 year ago
@nolhrt Well I've flown IL-2 Sturmovik enough to know. I always hated Spitfire cause it looks kinda dumb. Didn't realize how much more advanced the 109 really is. But basically the WW2 fighters don't stall on negative G, and require very little user input during flight, other than stick and throttle. Especially germans had automatic supercharger stages, automatic prop pitch, injection, slats etc. So the 109 fits like a glove and the pilot can focus on hitting the enemy. Spit sucks lol. ;)
PahaLukki 1 year ago
@PahaLukki I mean don't stall the engine like I-16 or Hurricane does if you push the nose down. The Spit has a refined carburetor and later models had some sort of crude injection carburettor. So that's why the engine stall is not modeled in Spits of IL-2. It's a good simulation, try it.
PahaLukki 1 year ago
@PahaLukki yeah right of course you have lol
beastinblack 1 year ago
But all of them killed more than their fair share of pilots because they are not in fact 'easy' to fly at all. They are lightweight airframes with massive engines, you can lose control in a moment. The F4U corsair was famous for being tricky and was nicknamed 'The Ensign eliminator' because it killed so many young pilots. Modern aircraft are more complex but actually easier to fly because of the computers. You say you've never flown a 'plane. Well it shows.
nolhrt 1 year ago
Actually the P-38 isn't even the most famous American type of WW2.The Spit might just be the most famous fighter of all time period... if you poll people from more then just one country!
Yamieguy64 1 year ago
Very nice show. Only I have to disagree about the spitfire being the most famous aircraft of WW2. Maybe the most famous British aircraft of WW2. I think most would agree the Lockheed P-38 Lightning was the cream of the crop in WW2.
IGO4MAKO1 1 year ago