Without complete textual references there are people out there who use defamation as a tool to attack what they know not. The Bahá'í Faith is not immune to defamation.
The fanatical Muslim clergy in Iran kills Bahá'ís for their beliefs while the Bahá'ís try to champion those same beliefs in the free world... after years of endless oppression.
Simple defamation will not stop the people with eyes from seeing what is.
"When He issues Laws in a straightforward manner you rubbish Him."
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And for obvious reasons. His "straightforward" material is ridiculous. His laws are silly. The world needs guidance about morality, sex, technology, genetic engineering, pollution, industrialization, abortion, and family breakdown (caused by feminism) -- not laws requiring short hair, expensive coffins, or admonitions to wear sable and squirrel skin.
-- Symbolical language by B-u-L is no use because Baha'is are not permitted to "interpret" anything (that is, not permitted to understand or think). I don't "rubbish" his symbolical language. I rubbish the Baha'is who want to put it forward for atmospherics and effect, without offering any understanding of it. I mock their metaphysical shallowness and contentment with atmospherics and no meaning.
'WORSHIP thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy recompense should be paradise. Thus and thus alone should be the worship which befitteth the one True God'
The Bab
'It is enjoined upon every one of you to engage in some form of occupation, such as crafts, trades and the like. We have graciously exalted your engagement in such work to the rank of worship unto God, the True One.'
@BookOfFlaws When Baha'u'llah uses symbolic and spiritual language, you rubbish Him. When He issues Laws in a straightforward manner you rubbish Him.
This is a symbolic term.
So the symbol of knowledge is light, and of ignorance, darkness; but reflect, is knowledge sensible light, or ignorance sensible darkness? No, they are merely symbols. These are only intellectual states, but when you desire to express them outwardly, you call knowledge light, and ignorance darkness.
Baha'is do not wish to worship anybody. So what good does it do to tell them "work is worship," never mind the wonderful ways listed in the Upanashids and the Yoga-Vasitha for actually converting one's duties, activities, and works into a worship experience. First, Baha'is are not interested in the concept of worship. 2nd, even if they were, they believe their crude and limited writings explain all that need so to be known about that strange phrase. Baha'is have insular and limited minds.
"The Book of God is open for all to see with their own eyes right now."
Yes. They are called the Upanishads, the Vedas, and the Yoga-Sutra and the Yoga-Vasistha. About the transcendental, immutable, bliss nature of God and how to merge with it.
Baha'u'llah's fulminations, complaints, and continual self-referencing commands that everybody quake and cower before his "Beauty" cannot compare.
Actually, there is a great need for further elucidation after you say "work is worship." Generally speaking, people do not even understand the concept of "worship," let alone "work is worship."
In brief, the Baha'i teachings on "work as worship" are far more limited and crude than the Hindu scriptures on the same topic. Yet Baha'is speak this absurdity that their religion is the "new and improved" over all the other religions. The Baha'i Faith does not come any where near the spiritual and religious richness, or metaphysical detail, of the earlier religions.
If one were to scan Baha'i he could find a little bit that seems similar to Hinduism's karma-yoga teaching. That is where Baha'u'llah says to regard your work as a form of worship. However, that's all he says 'work is worship.' The Gita & Upanishads, by contrast, explain this principle in detail and elaborate on the attitudes the devotee should cultivate as he does his necessary action. It also elaborates on how to develop that detachment. Pages & pages. Both more sophistication and more depth.
Another example of Baha'i crudity, compared to the sophistication and depth of other religions:
Hinduism has a concept "karma yoga." "Karma" means "action" and karma-yoga is converting all necessary action into a form of yoga, or meditation on God, finally becoming an interaction with God. This is the whole theme of the "Arjuna must do battle" thing in the Gita. Krsna told him to do his duty, in a detached state, for God, using his work and necessary duty to relate with/interact with God.
"By their fruits" -- I am liberating Baha'is from mind-control and a shallow, Marxist race-destroying movement that keeps them away from the genuine and profound religions of the world.
Go to my channel. I have new and better pics of Baha'u'llah there.
Nothing "passive" about it at all. I have posted the B-u-L pic quite aggressively. I know why you people hid it for 150 years. Because you know it's not humanly attractive and that most people would be turned off by his scowling visage. Not because you consider him so "holy." You already informed us that you don't like the very idea of devotion to him. No, the average westerner could not look at that face and say: "That's a holy man. I want to comb his raven locks."
Baha'is dislike letting anybody see the picture of Mr. Glory. They know it will hurt the "growth" of their religion. Funny: The fellow waiotahi happily assured me that they only pay homage to B-u-L 2 days a year. (He was embarrassed when I said reverence and devotion to the founder is a basic Baha'i principle; it clearly is based on the texts.) So he assured me B-u-L is no biggie. Now, he's playing all outraged by the posting of his pic. Now B-u-L is "too holy." See the contradiction here?
I think that any performing profession (acting, musician) is inherently egotistical and vain. I don't know why a religious people would be so hard up as to point to freaking actors and actresses as religious icons. Acting used to be considered one step removed from prostitution.
It's really this: "Oh, look, this famous and successful people is one of us! Be impressed, people!k We are impressive people, we Baha'is." It's all worldliness. Nothing religious about any of this, in any genuine sense.
@BookOfFlaws The term, Unity in Diversity, is explained further by Shoghi Effendi for those who don't understand it in a simple condensed form. The Bahá'í Faith teaches racial harmony and interracial marriage one of the foundations for unity.
All people have the right to self-expression.
Please search for the Baha'i Reference Library online (cannot paste urls on comments) to read the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, among many sacred texts. The book is open.
@ABahaiPointGroup -- Baha'is seek pleasant experiences, like all worldlings. (Oh! look! The black is hanging out with the white! They're laughing! I'm so high on that!) They don't seek "unity." We get enough "unity" each night in deep, dreamless sleep (mergence in God). We come back because it bores us. What Baha'is want is thrills. Especially the thrill of world conquest, and relieving their White Guilt syndrome.
I started reading censored version of the Kitab-i-Aqdas around 1976. I started doing things in it (like the daily mantra, heart of the Baha'i Faith) when the other Baha'is clucked, "Oh, we don't need to do that stuff yet." Then I started reading the actual Aqdas, full text, years before Baha'is thought it existed. It had been translated long ago while your "admins" lied saying "It's not been translated yet." I know what's in the Aqdas. It's very Islamic, it's very bizarre.
Of course. That's why I'm having fun expressing myself. And you Baha'is have the right to shun Baha'is who step outside of the standard lexicon and your limited little Baha'i head-space. (Which Baha'is do. They are good at shunning anybody who gets out of line, I hear. It didn't happen to me, because I left it when they still wanted me around.) Finding out what the "Book of Laws" actually said opened my eyes and I left.
@BookOfFlaws Got rid of that picture on your profile yet? That sort of stuff is known as passive aggression a recognized illness.It is offensive to these Bahai's, I know it you know it and they know it. You claim to be interested in 'meaningfull dialogue' bollocks, what you are into is power and control, you get your jollies by being a prick, any denial of this is abrogated by that photo. By their fruits you will know them rings loud and true here You are sick, get help.
The world of humanity is like unto a rose garden and the various races, tongues and people are like unto contrasting flowers. The diversity of colors in a rose-garden adds to the charm and beauty of the scene as variety enhances unity.
Abdu'l-Baha
What is so complex about this subject? What is so wrong with people of different cultures accepting their differences and getting along with each other. We could try it for a while, if it doesn't work we can always go back to the way it is now.
People enjoy a flock of bluebirds better than a morass of every sort of bird. In gardens, people enjoy clumps and stands of particular things, not every flower mixed with every other. People like to see the types with their own fellows. A group of blacks or a group of Whites (say, Germans) has plenty of diversity amongst them. But jaded, carnal Baha'i eyes can't appreciate it. Baha'is have a flesh and bodies fetish. Can't see the good and richness of their own ethnic people. Sad.
As there is a lot of convoluted comments here below, I refrain from addressing any of them, and make some general comments instead. Baha'i Faith upholds the concept of Progressive Revelations; i.e. all religions come to complement prior revelations. None contradicts the prior one's basic verities but brings a number of social teachings suitable to the age. As mankind has reached the age of maturity, the Faith insists on independent search for truth, abolition of prejudices, and seeks harmony...
@BookOfFlaws Whatever your intentions may be, sophistication is no substitute for quality. Substance is better preferred in the sight of God than style.
All of the sacred texts of the past look forward towards the future, a time when prophecy is fulfilled. Of course, the Bahá'í Writings are different from all of the previous texts. Why would people want to hear more riddles? The Book of God is open for all to see with their own eyes right now.
Good substance is sophisticated. The ham-handed, brutal, "obey my commands" approach of Baha'u'llad is crude and Islamic.
By "sophistication" I mean that the sages of the Upanishads and Buddhism have really pondered the problems of life. They have studied the mind, it's nature, how to subdue it, etc. The human mind, source of dualism, is itself sophisticated. If you don't have a sophisticated religion that deals with its reality, you get little.
As another example: The Upanishads speak about the inner divine perceptions, the perceptions of God found in meditation, and their nature. They teach about the application of the breath to worship; or the application to the breath in centering the mind on God. (The more the breath is controlled, the more calm the mind becomes, etc.) This is substance. The Baha'i faith has neither sophistication nor substance.
Your Baha'i "Book of Laws" is grossly short on substance. It's supposed to be guidance for mankind adequate for a thousand years. So what does it contain?
-- The law that men can't shave their heads
-- A law that men can't have hair hanging lower than the ear lobe.
-- Advice on hunting with falcons
But it has zero instruction about pornography, genetic engineering, abortion, pollution, industrialization -- most of the dire problems man faces. Talk about a lack of substance.
Talk about riddles! No religious "scripture" contains more bizarre, incomprehensible statements than the writings of Baha'u'llah. Just one of many samples, from the Elder/Miller translation (the official versions are no less mysterious):
"O People, direct your steps with white faces and hearts full of light towards the Blessed Red Spot where the Lote Tree of the Extremity (sidratu l-muntaha) calls."
Your "Most Holy Books" is loaded with phantasmagorical riddles like this.
@BookOfFlaws 1. Bahá'ís are taught not to argue because unity is an important concept. Unity amongst peoples of different views is necessary for world peace. Tolerance among peoples of different ethnicities, creeds, classes, cultures and religions is a part of "Unity in Diversity." God is One, Man is One, and all of the Religions are One - the eternal faith of God.
2. Work is Worship - There is no need for further elucidation. There are many explanations in the Bahá'í Writings though. Search it.
@BookOfFlaws If your actions here are the result of your beliefs, you have given me an insight to the alternatives to this Faith.It appears to me, and several others who have observed this encounter that you have become a fanatic and a hypocrite. Is this what you have to offer? (Don't bother to answer.) By their fruits ye shall know them. I have decided to become a Baha'i.
And get a life.
As-Salāmu `Alaykum
And yes I have posted this more than once,I want everyone to know.
People are free to believe in anything they like. But they cannot force their beliefs on others. Even kids know this. But adults forget it all the time.
And there are many evilish types of "forcing" adults are capable of: there is manipulation, there is lying, there is discouraging, there is PASSIVE AGGRESIVITY. If nobody kills me, it doesn't mean I don't have enemies. There are strong mental battles in the world right now.
People aren't even honest enough to say who they hate and why.
There is an obvious inspiration of a spiritual nature which these artists all draw upon, which proves of some merit in and of itself. For when thirsty, we seek pure water, and these folks have come from the well...
"The peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are subjects of one God." "Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and fellowship." "The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established." "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future."
O ye that dwell on earth! The religion of God is for love and unity; make it not the cause of enmity or dissension. In the eyes of men of insight and the beholders of the Most Sublime Vision, whatsoever are the effective means for safeguarding and promoting the happiness and welfare of the children of men have already been revealed by the Pen of Glory...
@fsmtdaler quoting another, even the most wise person, every fuckin' second, as you see does NOT prove fruitful. Maybe it's time to change strategy. Notice how I'm helping my enemy.
@duckotaco Duck. Why do you continuously resort to the f word, shouting in caps, etc, and demonizing people of faith, the Baha'i faith, or any faith, which does not give all the spotlight you crave, the attention you desire, and you resort to putting down those of us who stand in defense of the Lord of the Age; He is the Promised One of all religions. You are not my enemy. Never said that. But when I see you wallowing, I will call you on it. Now cut the potty mouth and monitor your self.
@fsmtdaler you can right away forget about me following your advice ever or even listening to you. Goodbye.
God = individual will.
You are an enemy to me. You are what I say, not what you say. My brain and my ideas are at the center of everything. Not yours. Not baha'i faiths. if I think you suck, YOU SUCK, wether you agree or not. It's called INDEPENDENT THINKING. Something you know nothing of.
@fsmtdaler "which does not give all the spotlight you crave, the attention you desire"
1) there is nothing wrong in calling for attention. GOD IS IN THE EGO, GOOD MORNING.
2) this has nothing to do with that. Again more wishful interpretation from your pride and ignorance. Calling others to abandon their ego, while never doing it yourself. You suck my huge cock day and night. That's what smart and courageous people will tell you.
"Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in each one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure." Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
The bahai faith is such a lame religion.Fire sides and feasts are the most boring events ever!Hours and hours of drawn out prayeers and listening to the monotoned recorded drone from the guy of the universal house of justice.Bahais always hold big discussions and get exited about certain things in these meetings yet nothing seems to materialize.There is nothing original about this faith of borrowed biblical scriptures and hippie like songs from the catholic church.
@oonchee People like you should be the ones to make things different. The process of Bahá'í Consultation is useless if action isn't the result (even if the course of action means to do nothing). Idol and Idle Worship is forbidden in the Bahá'í Faith. Service is the highest form of worship as well. The religious teachings of Christ and Bahá'u'lláh are from God. Just because many Bahá'í's who devote their time to singing God's Word were hippies doesn't mean the Bahá'í Faith is bad. Be the change.
@ABahaiPointGroup It's true, maybe there is somethign good in the message of bahaullah. But the community, culturally, sucks. It is very boring for intelligent people and it is becoming even more so thanks to the mindless and insane instructions of the institutions. Therefore joining the community is pointless; a waste of time unless you seek company and hot persian girls (a very good reason in fact). But it has little to do with spirituality.
@duckotaco Please search 2011 SED Conference in YouTube to see some Bahá'í artistic in action.
In addition, please search for music from Rowshan. All of this is modern and different. The music from Nabilinho is good too. The Dapper Rappers won 1st Place at the Tony Blair Faith Film Festival with their music video.
Bahá'ís are becoming the change they want to see. Please look again and see for yourself.
@ABahaiPointGroup the best people and greatest artist in the world right now sure aren't baha'is. Give up this stupid inflated sense of importance. At least FAKE being humble, for the sake of being nice in the eyes of other people.
@ABahaiPointGroup baha'is are right, diversity is conflict and unity would be so nice. When having this strong sense of group identity through this or that community, you increase differences and therefore conflict in the world. The baha'i community is a paradox; while talking of unity the only result they bring is more conflict and difference of opinion.
@duckotaco Unity in Diversity is the keyword. Please search for this concept in the Bahá'í Writings before you criticize. Educated criticism is fine, but uninformed criticism is just an embarrassment. You are right that an inflated sense of importance is wrong. The goal of every Bahá'í is to be the embodiment of humility amongst others. It is unfair to criticize the musical interests of Bahá'ís though. If your intentions are to simply find faults, then this conversation has been a waste of time.
@ABahaiPointGroup -- There is no such thing as real unity in "diversity." Wherever cities are more "diverse" the people are less friendly and less charitable. Social scientists have even demonstrated this with scientific research. Besides, unity is boring. Who wants a monolithic abstract "unity"? What Baha'is are after, really, is "pleasant experiences" or thrills. Sort of like people who like mixed-race porn.
@oonchee In addition, search abahaipoint on Google or YouTube to see what the Bahá'í Teachings state. The teachings aren't lame. The people who fail to be filled with the spirit of God's religion are lame, not the Bahá'í Faith. Ritualism is not an aspect of the Bahá'í Faith, so what you have seen is not good. Then again, people are learning how to be Bahá'ís. The "hippies" that sing the "hippie songs" you speak of are only trying to express their devotion to God. Maybe you can do something new.
@ABahaiPointGroup the hippies (without quotes) are just trying to selfishly survive in this world and to do so they thought it was a good idea to CONFORM to a pre-existant group of people/subculture/aesthetic due to lack of courage and investement into their inviduality and personality. In a word, lack of MATURITY and character
And dont try to push him back inside that initially seductive (due to hot persian girls) environment that he had the good will and honesty to reject.
@oonchee "Bahais always hold big discussions and get exited about certain things in these meetings yet nothing seems to materialize."
You're so fuckin spot on. Cheers.
But I have to say, these meetings used to be better, at least where I lived. They became increasibly boring and stupid just as you describe. You said the truth.
HATE the hippie songs with the guitars. HATE them.
To see all these beautiful faces and learn of their amazing contributions - brings me to tears today. And then there is the music, of course. But still .... all these amazing souls, loving Baha'u'llah and sharing their God-given talents with the world before I was born . . . Thank you for creating this memorial so we never forget them!
"He" has come, and a few of His Laws, as under Moses, are not a politically correct pat on the wrist. God created the laws of physics, gravity, chemistry, etc. You fall off of a cliff, or jump, gravity does not excuse you. You stick your hand on the stove you get burnt. You kill another, you don't get free cable TV and health insurance, as in California. Reward and punishment for our good, or bad, deeds. Its how we're wired and what we respond to. God know us. He made us...
People, realize the deception we live in. There will be no peace on earth until Jesus Christ comes to reign as He said He would. Have you heard the good news of the gospel? All of us sinners can receive forgiveness and go to heaven someday. Let God convict your heart of sin, and come to Christ as a little child and ask for forgiveness. Time is short. I love all of you and hope to see you in the Kingdom!
A couple of years ago an arsonist started a great fire in which five courageous firemen died cruel, painful deaths. There would be far, far fewer fires set, and far, far innocent people killed in them or permanently scarred should the Law of God be implemented. As for murderers, they themselves testify by their own actions that capitol punishment (for their victims) is appropriate. Who are we to deny them that which they do to others? The alternative, in both cases, is life in prison.
"But when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will tell you plainly of Himself" Say, O followers of the Son! Have ye shut out yourselves from Me by reason of My Name? Wherefore ponder ye not in your hearts? Day and night ye have been calling upon your Lord, the Omnipotent, but when He came from the heaven of eternity in His great glory, ye turned aside from Him and remained sunk in heedlessness.
@Beulah502 Oh, really? What do you think about this law from the Baha'is' most holy book?
"Should anyone intentionally destroy a house by fire, him also shall ye burn; should anyone deliberately take another’s life, him also shall ye put to death." -Baha'u'llah. Kitab-i-Aqdas
@MillerGenuineCraft Peace must sometimes be preserved by removing from society those that threaten to disrupt peace violently. Arson and murder have no place in any society founded on peace, and neither do arsonists and murderers.
Like great living trees, which begin, grow, and die, so it is with the trees of religion, which give fruit for a time, then naturally fade away and die, but are replaced by a new tree. There are people who slice and try to sell some portion of the ancient trees of faith, but this is contrary to their purpose. Therefore, religion is renewed from age to age: "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future..." Baha'u'llah
We are enjoined never to discriminate. We will come to a better understanding of this law. In the meantime, we must share love and compassion with all we meet, no exceptions. Remember this, and live by it!
We are enjoined to never discriminate. We will come to a better understanding of this law. In the meantime, we must share love and compassion with all we meet, no exceptions. Remember this, and live by it!
The essential truths of all religions, at their root, are of the same divine Source. Humans do corrupt their particular faiths over time, unfortunately. View the thousands of sects of "Christianity", yet only one Jesus. The same with Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, when tainted over time by men. Look past that stuff and you find the spiritual fragrance of the same garden (of Eden), so to speak. Again, people twist things, so follow your own nose, and your own heart...
Where did you get your information On the Bahai Faith? You seem to be pretty much misinformed. No, never in the Bahai Teachings it is stated that "Hinduism is basically the same as Islam". There is no such thing as "Bahai materialist" this term is simply self contradictory. You claim you've spent 20 years in Bahai religion. What were you doing during that time? How did you conclude that "Baha'is make no sense at all"? The Bahai teaches independent investigation of truth. Do it.
@makstari he's just a much better observer than you are. You're just blablaing what the baha'i faith is telling you to blabla. You show no character, no personality. You're a dead zombie. People who think they've gotten all figured out are stupid and haven't figured out shit, but are the most ignorant.
You haven't gotten it figured out, fact: now go and seek and leave others alone.
geveva sed: "Don't Muslims and Christians believe we are all in-bread from Adam & Eve"
Much time has passed; different peoples evolved with different qualities. They have value; should preserve themselves.
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"yes, we are all brothers and sisters. "
You want words meaningless, eh? No, I don't equate you with brothers who grew up in the same home, with same parents, who look like me, & I can count on. Random strangers walking down the street are not these brothers. Words have meaning.
@DivineFellowship Well, don't Muslims and Christians believe we are all in-bread from Adam & Eve and then after the great flood from Noah and his family? So if you beleive in that stupid Noah's arc Bullsh!t then yes, we are all brothers and sisters. Yes, Bahai's don't make much sense, but they make more sense than you.
@TheCrusader25 Clearly I mean two hads working to help in something good. Not two hands stealing a car. People die and suffer all the time so clearly prayers don't get answered. Footbal players get hurt and recover all the time, that's not really a miracle.
"I am a Bahai and we believe the beauty is in diversity."
Yeah, right. Typical boilerplate Baha'i line. What you want, and do, is mix the peoples together until diversity is destroyed. Baha's get the greatest thrill of all from race-mixing. You don't truly see the BEAUTY OF THE DIVERSE AND SEPARATE PEOPLES AND NATIONS. Only the "beauty" of mixing them together into gray paint.
At this point, partly due to flesh-obsessed, world-obsessed Baha'i materialists, true diversity is dying everywhere.
@DivineFellowship, I see you have stocked in the meaning of the word by itself, without relating it to the content it is appearing. Words have different meanings as they appear in different contents. If you do not understand a simple rule of language how we should expect you to understand a religion which gives its followers a way of life.
@jpastorini - I tried to find the lyrics - this was originally a song he co-performed with John Ford Coley - I'm searching his lyric site, and don't have it. Drop me a msg on SEPTAGON47, if you're still interested, I have the vinyl album, and the lyrics are on the sleeve - I could type them out for you. - Septagon47
Geneva1999 said: "Most religions/faiths have members of different races, so unless you are a Jew you are a hypocrite."
Only Jews should love and preserve their own people? Only Jews get to be a People? That's irrational. But Baha'si are pretty irrational, based on my 20 years in that shallow, deceptive religion.
I'm not religious, but I like how in the Bahi faith art-work and doing good deeds is the same as worship. 2 hands working to create something good and make a difference is better than a million hands clasped in prayer.
"All men have been created to carry forward an ever-advancing civilization...To act like the beast of the field is unworthy of man. Those virtues that befit his dignity are forbearance, mercy, compassion and loving-kindness towards all the peoples and kindreds of the earth." Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah. If this is boring I love to enjoy to be boring!!
@DivineFellowship , I am a Bahai and we believe the beauty is in diversity. A bunch of flowers is beautiful if it consists of different colors and different shapes. Bahai is not just a religion it is a way of life. When we say "One people" means we are equal in human rights as a citizen of the world. I guess you do not even bother to read about a religion and underestand it before you spread your opinion around. We believe in preservations of different cultures, languages, customs, and so on.
@monjazebr "I guess you do not even bother to read about a religion and underestand it"
he obviously understood it BETTER than you; if he were a fool, you would agree with him.
"We believe in preservations of different cultures, languages, customs, and so on.
That is not diversity. That is SUPERFICIAL diversity. True diversity is an intellectual concept dealing with the acceptance of the other's OPINIONS and VIEWS. There is NO acceptance of this in the bahai faith, only ONE VIEW.
Most of these people, especially the Whites, are basically race-traitors. Traitors to their people. And tools of the bankers, who are the real motive power behind "one world" thinking. One world? Bor-ing!
@DivineFellowship: Race-traitors? Were the various tribes and eventually city-states that joined to form the great European nations (and then in turn the United States) being tribe traitors because they united with other groups? Is it boring that we have united tribes that give us the advantages of our own united nation? There definitely is a challenge to match globalization with global democratization though (as the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were concerned in the union they were forming).
@sunchaos not really. The baha'i faith currently rejects any independent thinker, therefore any good artist woudl run away, there's no space for them. Uou have to understand that creativity is DANGEROUS for institutions and establishment. This is a known fact. True artists and intelelctuals are silently shunned form the bahai faith.
@duckotaco The Baha'i Faith has some amazing, truly gifted and capable artists, rational, deep thinking scholars, able scientists, educators, whose capacity for reason and the fundamentals of logic are not defeated by fallacious arguments based upon emotional outbursts, attacks, profanity, and petti-mindedness. Read the works of Hushidar Motlagh: "I Shall Come Again". Then get back to me. Independent investigation of the truth is obligatory, necessary, and not a mere option.
@fsmtdaler there are other more important concerns in the world right now, me thinks; thank you for this non-quality recommendation. The most intelligent baha'is around are those who says the baha'i community sucks. Emotion or not, it is TRUE.
Hi!.. just wanted to comment that we have a new bahai celebrity in our midsts! His name is Noflu Kruschev. He is an american russian young actor, who recently appeared on VH1 reality series - RuPaul's drag race! He is openly gay, and was interviewed while riding a Homobile during a Gay Pride rally in San Diego..I don't know if this counts, because faggotry is supposed to be Forbidden in the Bahai faith?
@TheCrusader25: Flagrant homosexual behavior (as opposed to those who struggle with whatever inclinations they may have), as with flagrant violation of any other Baha'i laws, is to be met with administrative sanctions. So, if such a person really is claiming to be a Baha'i, and is in fact registered as a Baha'i, they may lose their administrative rights, if it is brought to the attention of our National Spiritual Assembly.
what is mysterious about bahaism? its just another organised religion, that tries to differentiate itself from others by seeming to make itself compatible with other monotheistic religions even if those religions contradict each other or have no real common view, its a really silly and asinine concept, thats been done to death over the last 2000 years.
What Bahai Faith teaches is already found in the Bible and Qur'an. Mohammad's last speech said no new faith. That means a new messenger can come, but no new scriptures. The Qur'an, Chapter Two, The Cow, verses 8 - 20. There you will find Baha u llah, who says he is a peacemaker. There you will also read of your own peace making efforts.
@0099wrestler@0099wrestler let me tell you something that will blow you away! Baha'u'llah does not deny That His holiness Muhammad is the seal of the prophets, nay Baha'u'lah says he is the return of christ, the lord of host fortold by moses, the return of Imam Husayn. He is The Beginning of A New Era. WHilst Adam was the first in the adamic era, which ended with Muhammad, Baha'u'llah Has Begun this One. Rejoice, because everything has been breathe with a new life!
@aliett I have fulfilled all prophecy required for the greatest destruction over the entire earth, like on a small scale did Jonah, but it took 100 years later for Nineveh to be destroyed as foretold. Within less than 100 years will come Revelation 9:13-21. That is part of Isaiah 28:16-22, and also Matthew 24:29-31. Baha u lah has failed, I will succeed by God's right arm.
"The promise is fulfilled. That which had been announced in the holy Writ of God, the Most Exalted, the Almighty, the Best-Beloved, is made manifest". Baha'u'llah
"Let us seek the song with the sweetest strains, so that it may be taken up by the angels and carried to the supreme concourse. Let us hearken to the melody which will stir the world of humanity, so that the people may be transformed with joy. Let us listen to a symphony which will confer life on man; then we can obtain universal results; then we shall receive a new spirit; then we shall become illumined. .
If Bahaism is a Universal faith, then why can Jews convert ot Bahaism?
Why does Israel fund all Bahai propaganda?
Do you know the secret pact between Zionists and Bahais? Israel is using Bahaism to suit their politics, and in return Bhais have forbidden Jews from converting to Bahaism.
Seems there's a big connection between Bahais and the current demonstration in Iran. Thought i cant reject that leader is as foolish as any other. Oppressing the people. Still Israel takes advantage of the situation, it seems. Wonder who founds the temples made. They must cost a fortune to build. Especially in Israel.
Guys, you need to mellow out. The Baha'is have nothing to do with the current demonstration in Iran because such behavior is forbidden to Baha'is. There is no hidden agenda in the Faith. We tell the world exactly what we're doing. The structures at the World Centre of the Faith in Israel are built in the most economical and efficient way possible and they are payed for by Baha'is because we do not accept donations from non-Baha'is.
@Totalreformer bahai faith the bahais have nothing to do with current iranian political issues. israel have nothing to do with the bahai faith. the bahai temples are funded by bahais only. there are currently over 6 million bahais in the world. they are devoted to the faith and serve their faith and pay charity for progress of their faith.
As I told The fellow above, you need to mellow out. You're misinformed. Jews can become Baha'is and I've met former Jews who did so. What's true is, Jews cannot become Baha'is while living in Israel and remain there nor can we try to bring them into the Faith in Israel. Why? I imagine it's because this would create a lot of bad feeling on the part of the Israelis who want their Jews to remain Jews. Please don't make mountains out of molehills.
I can't imagine any Bahá'í supporting the overthrow of any government, anywhere. It would be contrary to our teachings. It would be nice, however, if Irani Bahá'ís were allowed to live at least as well as the rest of their citizens do.
Frankly, I am confused by your words. Bahá'ís do live in peace in Israel. You claim to know things which are patently false, impossible, in fact. While some people in Iran, of whatever faith, may have preferred the shah, a Bahá'í would never plot to overthrow a government. I quote one piotrbentlley, "Where do you get your info?" Until you answer that, I think I will ignore you henceforth.
@designbar1, why do you call it a cult? or do you think that all religion are cults, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and so on?
@joecounsel .. don't lie. Do you speak Farsi? There are several television hosts that broadcast from Los Angelas, who are bahai, and vehemently call for a revolution against the Khomeni regime. Actually, it would be a good thing for ALL religions to see a new government established in Persia.
@TheCrusader25: If this is actually true what you say, then these people would be strongly counseled to stop if our institutions were informed, and if they persisted, their administrative rights would be removed. This is not at all equivocal, and I speak from experience in seeing refraining from all politics, much less violent ones, as an integral part of Baha'i community life. Some individuals may act contrary, but that is true for Christians or others.
@designbar1 anyone who wants to be a bahai can; why not? israel never funds any bahai institution. bahai institutions do not accept fund from anyone except bahais. bahai faith is not political and forbade any bahai to participate in politics. these are words of the enemies of bahai faith.
@designbar1 In fact I know several. You cannot deny your faith, whether in your heart, or in this world. It may be forbidden yes, but was it not also 'forbidden' to be jewish during the Holocaust? this did not stop the true believers.
There's a difference between seeking fame and doing what you love. Sure, sometimes doing what you love can get you famous, but it all depends on what your intentions are.
Maybe you are not obsessed with fame as sole criterion to validate your religion. But I'm aware how Baha'is LOVE to point to the "famous and successful," hoping peoples' herd mentality kicks in to make them "join the Faith." Typical example here. And 'who cares what their personal virtues are.'
In the good religions it's unvirtuous to seek fame and glamor in the 1st place. Baha'i has similar teachings. Maybe you have some learning to do about the REAL teachings of religions. Even your own..
@DivineFellowship - the idea that a particular video about some prominent Baha'i artists invalidates the whole religion has to be the flimsiest basis I've ever heard.
Furthermore, something you might notice is a great deal of these individuals were not actually all that famous ("glamor pots" I believe were the words you used) despite being exceedingly talented artists.
Really if you want to deny this faith, don't work so hard generating a pretense for it. Just get over it and move on.
First of all my question referenced "the religion" under discussion which is Bahai not Islam. Secondly, please quote the sura where the Quran proposes a heliocentric solar system.
"Miracles of the Quran" Based on the works of Harun Yahya-- a prominent advocate of Islamic creationism in the creation-evolution debate a supporter of Old Earth creationism.
All religions are cults. All require their followers to believe mind-numbing nonsense. (Not sure whether their minds have to be numb in order to believe it or if they become numb by believing it- probably both)
Islam is no worse or better. Except that a tiny minority takes the nonsense the Quran teaches very seriously and act on it with consequences known not to be pleasant for people such as infidels (aka members of other or no cults), women and fellow cult members deemed not pious enough.
@fctchk - and tell me, on what experience and evidence do you claim to know the reality of "all" religions? I will certainly say right now I don't even know all there is to know about just the one I believe in, let alone all of them.
PJD All religions are founded on faith based truth claims devoid of any evidence that would survive scientific scrutiny much less be admissible in a court of law. (unless we're talking Sharia and it'd be a safe guess that that's something you don't want to be subject to)
@fctchk - the American legal system is hardly the measure for determining spiritual and philosophical truth. But suffice it to say I feel I have found proof beyond a reasonable doubt of this faith.
So you say all faiths are baseless in their claims, that would imply you are familiar with those claims and the logic behind them. Alright, disprove to me the basis of my faith, if you supposedly know it.
Even without knowing what your faith is I can postulate its basis extrapolating from general observations on religions.
It has one or more "prophets" most likely wearing a beard (this signals "wisdom" to the bleating flock) and definitely male because their particular god doesn't give dispensations to women (inferior beings).
They proclaim to have gotten the content of their preachments directly from their god. The only real god, of course, and the only true word.
@fctchk - You're doing well if your goal was to display that when confronted with your ignorance you use the argumentum ad ridiculum fallacy to try and cover for it.
Quit dodging the point. If you claim to know that my faith is wrong, I'd like to hear your actual basis, not just a prejudice that you've developed about religious people in general.
For someone who emphasizes facts and knowledge as the basis of belief, I'd like to see yours. Produce it.
@fctchk - and what's more, you speak (truthfully, and I thank you for that) of the tiny minority of people within Islam who are violent and intolerant, but let me ask you, do individuals such as Joseph Mengele mean that all science is invalidated?
The point is, guilt by association is a fallacious assertion, as is argumentum ad populum. Therefore, generally speaking, neither "both" or "a majority of" discussing adherents are really valid arguments in the discussion of a faith's validity.
PJD Let's not get too self-congratulatory about it only being a tiny (proportionally microscopic -in fact) minority. The 1 billion Muslim world wide silent majority enables the savages by:
A. Just that -being silent. B. Not rejecting the Quran, which in fact instructs its followers to take out infidels which, by the way, the majority doesn't do, ironically making them bad Muslims.
The Nazis, the Mullahs, the Bush regime etc. all tiny minorities catastrophically enabled by cretinous masses.
Bahá'ís stand for peace, love and unity.
The book is open for everyone to see.
Without complete textual references there are people out there who use defamation as a tool to attack what they know not. The Bahá'í Faith is not immune to defamation.
The fanatical Muslim clergy in Iran kills Bahá'ís for their beliefs while the Bahá'ís try to champion those same beliefs in the free world... after years of endless oppression.
Simple defamation will not stop the people with eyes from seeing what is.
ABahaiPointGroup 1 week ago
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"When He issues Laws in a straightforward manner you rubbish Him."
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And for obvious reasons. His "straightforward" material is ridiculous. His laws are silly. The world needs guidance about morality, sex, technology, genetic engineering, pollution, industrialization, abortion, and family breakdown (caused by feminism) -- not laws requiring short hair, expensive coffins, or admonitions to wear sable and squirrel skin.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
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BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
-- Symbolical language by B-u-L is no use because Baha'is are not permitted to "interpret" anything (that is, not permitted to understand or think). I don't "rubbish" his symbolical language. I rubbish the Baha'is who want to put it forward for atmospherics and effect, without offering any understanding of it. I mock their metaphysical shallowness and contentment with atmospherics and no meaning.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
'WORSHIP thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy recompense should be paradise. Thus and thus alone should be the worship which befitteth the one True God'
The Bab
'It is enjoined upon every one of you to engage in some form of occupation, such as crafts, trades and the like. We have graciously exalted your engagement in such work to the rank of worship unto God, the True One.'
Baha'u'llah
waiotahi52 1 week ago
What means "pillars of the light"? Were there pillars? Made of light? Is this scriptural?
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
@BookOfFlaws When Baha'u'llah uses symbolic and spiritual language, you rubbish Him. When He issues Laws in a straightforward manner you rubbish Him.
This is a symbolic term.
So the symbol of knowledge is light, and of ignorance, darkness; but reflect, is knowledge sensible light, or ignorance sensible darkness? No, they are merely symbols. These are only intellectual states, but when you desire to express them outwardly, you call knowledge light, and ignorance darkness.
waiotahi52 1 week ago
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Here is the best sect of the Baha'is:
AqdasBahai●Org
or
Aqdasi●Org
Closest to the original religion.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
Baha'is do not wish to worship anybody. So what good does it do to tell them "work is worship," never mind the wonderful ways listed in the Upanashids and the Yoga-Vasitha for actually converting one's duties, activities, and works into a worship experience. First, Baha'is are not interested in the concept of worship. 2nd, even if they were, they believe their crude and limited writings explain all that need so to be known about that strange phrase. Baha'is have insular and limited minds.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
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"The Book of God is open for all to see with their own eyes right now."
Yes. They are called the Upanishads, the Vedas, and the Yoga-Sutra and the Yoga-Vasistha. About the transcendental, immutable, bliss nature of God and how to merge with it.
Baha'u'llah's fulminations, complaints, and continual self-referencing commands that everybody quake and cower before his "Beauty" cannot compare.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
Actually, there is a great need for further elucidation after you say "work is worship." Generally speaking, people do not even understand the concept of "worship," let alone "work is worship."
Mindless drones.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
If you are going to "teach the faith" you need to argue your points, plain and simple.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
Somebody bring a clean Baha'i here to argue religion.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
In brief, the Baha'i teachings on "work as worship" are far more limited and crude than the Hindu scriptures on the same topic. Yet Baha'is speak this absurdity that their religion is the "new and improved" over all the other religions. The Baha'i Faith does not come any where near the spiritual and religious richness, or metaphysical detail, of the earlier religions.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
If one were to scan Baha'i he could find a little bit that seems similar to Hinduism's karma-yoga teaching. That is where Baha'u'llah says to regard your work as a form of worship. However, that's all he says 'work is worship.' The Gita & Upanishads, by contrast, explain this principle in detail and elaborate on the attitudes the devotee should cultivate as he does his necessary action. It also elaborates on how to develop that detachment. Pages & pages. Both more sophistication and more depth.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Another example of Baha'i crudity, compared to the sophistication and depth of other religions:
Hinduism has a concept "karma yoga." "Karma" means "action" and karma-yoga is converting all necessary action into a form of yoga, or meditation on God, finally becoming an interaction with God. This is the whole theme of the "Arjuna must do battle" thing in the Gita. Krsna told him to do his duty, in a detached state, for God, using his work and necessary duty to relate with/interact with God.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
"By their fruits" -- I am liberating Baha'is from mind-control and a shallow, Marxist race-destroying movement that keeps them away from the genuine and profound religions of the world.
Go to my channel. I have new and better pics of Baha'u'llah there.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Nothing "passive" about it at all. I have posted the B-u-L pic quite aggressively. I know why you people hid it for 150 years. Because you know it's not humanly attractive and that most people would be turned off by his scowling visage. Not because you consider him so "holy." You already informed us that you don't like the very idea of devotion to him. No, the average westerner could not look at that face and say: "That's a holy man. I want to comb his raven locks."
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Baha'is dislike letting anybody see the picture of Mr. Glory. They know it will hurt the "growth" of their religion. Funny: The fellow waiotahi happily assured me that they only pay homage to B-u-L 2 days a year. (He was embarrassed when I said reverence and devotion to the founder is a basic Baha'i principle; it clearly is based on the texts.) So he assured me B-u-L is no biggie. Now, he's playing all outraged by the posting of his pic. Now B-u-L is "too holy." See the contradiction here?
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
I think that any performing profession (acting, musician) is inherently egotistical and vain. I don't know why a religious people would be so hard up as to point to freaking actors and actresses as religious icons. Acting used to be considered one step removed from prostitution.
It's really this: "Oh, look, this famous and successful people is one of us! Be impressed, people!k We are impressive people, we Baha'is." It's all worldliness. Nothing religious about any of this, in any genuine sense.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws The term, Unity in Diversity, is explained further by Shoghi Effendi for those who don't understand it in a simple condensed form. The Bahá'í Faith teaches racial harmony and interracial marriage one of the foundations for unity.
All people have the right to self-expression.
Please search for the Baha'i Reference Library online (cannot paste urls on comments) to read the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, among many sacred texts. The book is open.
ABahaiPointGroup 2 weeks ago
@ABahaiPointGroup -- Baha'is seek pleasant experiences, like all worldlings. (Oh! look! The black is hanging out with the white! They're laughing! I'm so high on that!) They don't seek "unity." We get enough "unity" each night in deep, dreamless sleep (mergence in God). We come back because it bores us. What Baha'is want is thrills. Especially the thrill of world conquest, and relieving their White Guilt syndrome.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
I started reading censored version of the Kitab-i-Aqdas around 1976. I started doing things in it (like the daily mantra, heart of the Baha'i Faith) when the other Baha'is clucked, "Oh, we don't need to do that stuff yet." Then I started reading the actual Aqdas, full text, years before Baha'is thought it existed. It had been translated long ago while your "admins" lied saying "It's not been translated yet." I know what's in the Aqdas. It's very Islamic, it's very bizarre.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
"All people have the right to self-expression."
Of course. That's why I'm having fun expressing myself. And you Baha'is have the right to shun Baha'is who step outside of the standard lexicon and your limited little Baha'i head-space. (Which Baha'is do. They are good at shunning anybody who gets out of line, I hear. It didn't happen to me, because I left it when they still wanted me around.) Finding out what the "Book of Laws" actually said opened my eyes and I left.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws Got rid of that picture on your profile yet? That sort of stuff is known as passive aggression a recognized illness.It is offensive to these Bahai's, I know it you know it and they know it. You claim to be interested in 'meaningfull dialogue' bollocks, what you are into is power and control, you get your jollies by being a prick, any denial of this is abrogated by that photo. By their fruits you will know them rings loud and true here You are sick, get help.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
The world of humanity is like unto a rose garden and the various races, tongues and people are like unto contrasting flowers. The diversity of colors in a rose-garden adds to the charm and beauty of the scene as variety enhances unity.
Abdu'l-Baha
What is so complex about this subject? What is so wrong with people of different cultures accepting their differences and getting along with each other. We could try it for a while, if it doesn't work we can always go back to the way it is now.
waiotahi52 3 weeks ago
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People enjoy a flock of bluebirds better than a morass of every sort of bird. In gardens, people enjoy clumps and stands of particular things, not every flower mixed with every other. People like to see the types with their own fellows. A group of blacks or a group of Whites (say, Germans) has plenty of diversity amongst them. But jaded, carnal Baha'i eyes can't appreciate it. Baha'is have a flesh and bodies fetish. Can't see the good and richness of their own ethnic people. Sad.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
As there is a lot of convoluted comments here below, I refrain from addressing any of them, and make some general comments instead. Baha'i Faith upholds the concept of Progressive Revelations; i.e. all religions come to complement prior revelations. None contradicts the prior one's basic verities but brings a number of social teachings suitable to the age. As mankind has reached the age of maturity, the Faith insists on independent search for truth, abolition of prejudices, and seeks harmony...
irajdoost 3 weeks ago
@irajdoost -- Then why are the Upanishads of 5 thousand years ago so much more sophisticated and profound than the primitive Baha'i writings?
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws Whatever your intentions may be, sophistication is no substitute for quality. Substance is better preferred in the sight of God than style.
All of the sacred texts of the past look forward towards the future, a time when prophecy is fulfilled. Of course, the Bahá'í Writings are different from all of the previous texts. Why would people want to hear more riddles? The Book of God is open for all to see with their own eyes right now.
ABahaiPointGroup 2 weeks ago
Good substance is sophisticated. The ham-handed, brutal, "obey my commands" approach of Baha'u'llad is crude and Islamic.
By "sophistication" I mean that the sages of the Upanishads and Buddhism have really pondered the problems of life. They have studied the mind, it's nature, how to subdue it, etc. The human mind, source of dualism, is itself sophisticated. If you don't have a sophisticated religion that deals with its reality, you get little.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
As another example: The Upanishads speak about the inner divine perceptions, the perceptions of God found in meditation, and their nature. They teach about the application of the breath to worship; or the application to the breath in centering the mind on God. (The more the breath is controlled, the more calm the mind becomes, etc.) This is substance. The Baha'i faith has neither sophistication nor substance.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Your Baha'i "Book of Laws" is grossly short on substance. It's supposed to be guidance for mankind adequate for a thousand years. So what does it contain?
-- The law that men can't shave their heads
-- A law that men can't have hair hanging lower than the ear lobe.
-- Advice on hunting with falcons
But it has zero instruction about pornography, genetic engineering, abortion, pollution, industrialization -- most of the dire problems man faces. Talk about a lack of substance.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Talk about riddles! No religious "scripture" contains more bizarre, incomprehensible statements than the writings of Baha'u'llah. Just one of many samples, from the Elder/Miller translation (the official versions are no less mysterious):
"O People, direct your steps with white faces and hearts full of light towards the Blessed Red Spot where the Lote Tree of the Extremity (sidratu l-muntaha) calls."
Your "Most Holy Books" is loaded with phantasmagorical riddles like this.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws 1. Bahá'ís are taught not to argue because unity is an important concept. Unity amongst peoples of different views is necessary for world peace. Tolerance among peoples of different ethnicities, creeds, classes, cultures and religions is a part of "Unity in Diversity." God is One, Man is One, and all of the Religions are One - the eternal faith of God.
2. Work is Worship - There is no need for further elucidation. There are many explanations in the Bahá'í Writings though. Search it.
ABahaiPointGroup 1 week ago
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws If your actions here are the result of your beliefs, you have given me an insight to the alternatives to this Faith.It appears to me, and several others who have observed this encounter that you have become a fanatic and a hypocrite. Is this what you have to offer? (Don't bother to answer.) By their fruits ye shall know them. I have decided to become a Baha'i.
And get a life.
As-Salāmu `Alaykum
And yes I have posted this more than once,I want everyone to know.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
People are free to believe in anything they like. But they cannot force their beliefs on others. Even kids know this. But adults forget it all the time.
And there are many evilish types of "forcing" adults are capable of: there is manipulation, there is lying, there is discouraging, there is PASSIVE AGGRESIVITY. If nobody kills me, it doesn't mean I don't have enemies. There are strong mental battles in the world right now.
People aren't even honest enough to say who they hate and why.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@DungivenBoy I agree. Baha'is think baha'is are better. It is shameful. They should feel ashamed only for this.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
Hollywood whores and despots. Fuck em all!!
4shacks1house 1 month ago
There is an obvious inspiration of a spiritual nature which these artists all draw upon, which proves of some merit in and of itself. For when thirsty, we seek pure water, and these folks have come from the well...
fsmtdaler 2 months ago
Baha'i worship building, bodies and colors, race-destruction (race-mixing is Baha'i porn), and fame. So this video does not surprise me.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
woooo never knew these guyz were bahai :) so am i :)
10013itch 4 months ago
awesome
kuriaki71 5 months ago
"The peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are subjects of one God." "Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and fellowship." "The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established." "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future."
from Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 6 months ago
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Baha'u'llah states:
O ye that dwell on earth! The religion of God is for love and unity; make it not the cause of enmity or dissension. In the eyes of men of insight and the beholders of the Most Sublime Vision, whatsoever are the effective means for safeguarding and promoting the happiness and welfare of the children of men have already been revealed by the Pen of Glory...
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
@fsmtdaler quoting another, even the most wise person, every fuckin' second, as you see does NOT prove fruitful. Maybe it's time to change strategy. Notice how I'm helping my enemy.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@duckotaco Duck. Why do you continuously resort to the f word, shouting in caps, etc, and demonizing people of faith, the Baha'i faith, or any faith, which does not give all the spotlight you crave, the attention you desire, and you resort to putting down those of us who stand in defense of the Lord of the Age; He is the Promised One of all religions. You are not my enemy. Never said that. But when I see you wallowing, I will call you on it. Now cut the potty mouth and monitor your self.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler you can right away forget about me following your advice ever or even listening to you. Goodbye.
God = individual will.
You are an enemy to me. You are what I say, not what you say. My brain and my ideas are at the center of everything. Not yours. Not baha'i faiths. if I think you suck, YOU SUCK, wether you agree or not. It's called INDEPENDENT THINKING. Something you know nothing of.
Fuck off.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler "which does not give all the spotlight you crave, the attention you desire"
1) there is nothing wrong in calling for attention. GOD IS IN THE EGO, GOOD MORNING.
2) this has nothing to do with that. Again more wishful interpretation from your pride and ignorance. Calling others to abandon their ego, while never doing it yourself. You suck my huge cock day and night. That's what smart and courageous people will tell you.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
Where's Sid Bulkin and Nick Tate.:)
sagsda 7 months ago
I am a Bahai and very new, i am a artist but yes it has no direct link to my faith. It is defiantly its own thing!
ElderGrogh 7 months ago
"Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in each one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure." Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
The bahai faith is such a lame religion.Fire sides and feasts are the most boring events ever!Hours and hours of drawn out prayeers and listening to the monotoned recorded drone from the guy of the universal house of justice.Bahais always hold big discussions and get exited about certain things in these meetings yet nothing seems to materialize.There is nothing original about this faith of borrowed biblical scriptures and hippie like songs from the catholic church.
oonchee 8 months ago
@oonchee People like you should be the ones to make things different. The process of Bahá'í Consultation is useless if action isn't the result (even if the course of action means to do nothing). Idol and Idle Worship is forbidden in the Bahá'í Faith. Service is the highest form of worship as well. The religious teachings of Christ and Bahá'u'lláh are from God. Just because many Bahá'í's who devote their time to singing God's Word were hippies doesn't mean the Bahá'í Faith is bad. Be the change.
ABahaiPointGroup 7 months ago
@ABahaiPointGroup It's true, maybe there is somethign good in the message of bahaullah. But the community, culturally, sucks. It is very boring for intelligent people and it is becoming even more so thanks to the mindless and insane instructions of the institutions. Therefore joining the community is pointless; a waste of time unless you seek company and hot persian girls (a very good reason in fact). But it has little to do with spirituality.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@duckotaco Please search 2011 SED Conference in YouTube to see some Bahá'í artistic in action.
In addition, please search for music from Rowshan. All of this is modern and different. The music from Nabilinho is good too. The Dapper Rappers won 1st Place at the Tony Blair Faith Film Festival with their music video.
Bahá'ís are becoming the change they want to see. Please look again and see for yourself.
ABahaiPointGroup 3 weeks ago
@ABahaiPointGroup the best people and greatest artist in the world right now sure aren't baha'is. Give up this stupid inflated sense of importance. At least FAKE being humble, for the sake of being nice in the eyes of other people.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@ABahaiPointGroup baha'is are right, diversity is conflict and unity would be so nice. When having this strong sense of group identity through this or that community, you increase differences and therefore conflict in the world. The baha'i community is a paradox; while talking of unity the only result they bring is more conflict and difference of opinion.
Take that.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@duckotaco Unity in Diversity is the keyword. Please search for this concept in the Bahá'í Writings before you criticize. Educated criticism is fine, but uninformed criticism is just an embarrassment. You are right that an inflated sense of importance is wrong. The goal of every Bahá'í is to be the embodiment of humility amongst others. It is unfair to criticize the musical interests of Bahá'ís though. If your intentions are to simply find faults, then this conversation has been a waste of time.
ABahaiPointGroup 3 weeks ago
@ABahaiPointGroup -- There is no such thing as real unity in "diversity." Wherever cities are more "diverse" the people are less friendly and less charitable. Social scientists have even demonstrated this with scientific research. Besides, unity is boring. Who wants a monolithic abstract "unity"? What Baha'is are after, really, is "pleasant experiences" or thrills. Sort of like people who like mixed-race porn.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@oonchee In addition, search abahaipoint on Google or YouTube to see what the Bahá'í Teachings state. The teachings aren't lame. The people who fail to be filled with the spirit of God's religion are lame, not the Bahá'í Faith. Ritualism is not an aspect of the Bahá'í Faith, so what you have seen is not good. Then again, people are learning how to be Bahá'ís. The "hippies" that sing the "hippie songs" you speak of are only trying to express their devotion to God. Maybe you can do something new.
ABahaiPointGroup 7 months ago
@ABahaiPointGroup the hippies (without quotes) are just trying to selfishly survive in this world and to do so they thought it was a good idea to CONFORM to a pre-existant group of people/subculture/aesthetic due to lack of courage and investement into their inviduality and personality. In a word, lack of MATURITY and character
And dont try to push him back inside that initially seductive (due to hot persian girls) environment that he had the good will and honesty to reject.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@oonchee "Bahais always hold big discussions and get exited about certain things in these meetings yet nothing seems to materialize."
You're so fuckin spot on. Cheers.
But I have to say, these meetings used to be better, at least where I lived. They became increasibly boring and stupid just as you describe. You said the truth.
HATE the hippie songs with the guitars. HATE them.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
To see all these beautiful faces and learn of their amazing contributions - brings me to tears today. And then there is the music, of course. But still .... all these amazing souls, loving Baha'u'llah and sharing their God-given talents with the world before I was born . . . Thank you for creating this memorial so we never forget them!
ktjoye 8 months ago
"He" has come, and a few of His Laws, as under Moses, are not a politically correct pat on the wrist. God created the laws of physics, gravity, chemistry, etc. You fall off of a cliff, or jump, gravity does not excuse you. You stick your hand on the stove you get burnt. You kill another, you don't get free cable TV and health insurance, as in California. Reward and punishment for our good, or bad, deeds. Its how we're wired and what we respond to. God know us. He made us...
fsmtdaler 10 months ago
People, realize the deception we live in. There will be no peace on earth until Jesus Christ comes to reign as He said He would. Have you heard the good news of the gospel? All of us sinners can receive forgiveness and go to heaven someday. Let God convict your heart of sin, and come to Christ as a little child and ask for forgiveness. Time is short. I love all of you and hope to see you in the Kingdom!
God Bless You,
Travis
ThyWillBeDone1985 10 months ago
soy bahai de mexico chequen mi video busquenlo como (angel principal)
thepercival19 10 months ago
A couple of years ago an arsonist started a great fire in which five courageous firemen died cruel, painful deaths. There would be far, far fewer fires set, and far, far innocent people killed in them or permanently scarred should the Law of God be implemented. As for murderers, they themselves testify by their own actions that capitol punishment (for their victims) is appropriate. Who are we to deny them that which they do to others? The alternative, in both cases, is life in prison.
fsmtdaler 10 months ago
"But when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will tell you plainly of Himself" Say, O followers of the Son! Have ye shut out yourselves from Me by reason of My Name? Wherefore ponder ye not in your hearts? Day and night ye have been calling upon your Lord, the Omnipotent, but when He came from the heaven of eternity in His great glory, ye turned aside from Him and remained sunk in heedlessness.
fsmtdaler 10 months ago
Bahais, such a beautiful and peaceful community
Beulah502 11 months ago
@Beulah502 Oh, really? What do you think about this law from the Baha'is' most holy book?
"Should anyone intentionally destroy a house by fire, him also shall ye burn; should anyone deliberately take another’s life, him also shall ye put to death." -Baha'u'llah. Kitab-i-Aqdas
MillerGenuineCraft 10 months ago
@MillerGenuineCraft Peace must sometimes be preserved by removing from society those that threaten to disrupt peace violently. Arson and murder have no place in any society founded on peace, and neither do arsonists and murderers.
RenovatedLocksmith 8 months ago
Like great living trees, which begin, grow, and die, so it is with the trees of religion, which give fruit for a time, then naturally fade away and die, but are replaced by a new tree. There are people who slice and try to sell some portion of the ancient trees of faith, but this is contrary to their purpose. Therefore, religion is renewed from age to age: "This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future..." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 1 year ago
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We are enjoined never to discriminate. We will come to a better understanding of this law. In the meantime, we must share love and compassion with all we meet, no exceptions. Remember this, and live by it!
MrKathijustman 1 year ago
We are enjoined to never discriminate. We will come to a better understanding of this law. In the meantime, we must share love and compassion with all we meet, no exceptions. Remember this, and live by it!
MrKathijustman 1 year ago
FACT: Judaism, Christianity and Islam are inspired by Zoroastrianism.
ZionistsLie 1 year ago
The essential truths of all religions, at their root, are of the same divine Source. Humans do corrupt their particular faiths over time, unfortunately. View the thousands of sects of "Christianity", yet only one Jesus. The same with Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, when tainted over time by men. Look past that stuff and you find the spiritual fragrance of the same garden (of Eden), so to speak. Again, people twist things, so follow your own nose, and your own heart...
fsmtdaler 1 year ago
i have a photo dizzy absolutely beautiful,possibly sell. what's neat it;s covered with
material you clean picture with water & soap without ruining it.
ispi05 1 year ago
Danny Seals... God bless him, wrote this song
fsmtdaler 1 year ago
@DivineFellowship
Where did you get your information On the Bahai Faith? You seem to be pretty much misinformed. No, never in the Bahai Teachings it is stated that "Hinduism is basically the same as Islam". There is no such thing as "Bahai materialist" this term is simply self contradictory. You claim you've spent 20 years in Bahai religion. What were you doing during that time? How did you conclude that "Baha'is make no sense at all"? The Bahai teaches independent investigation of truth. Do it.
makstari 1 year ago
@makstari he's just a much better observer than you are. You're just blablaing what the baha'i faith is telling you to blabla. You show no character, no personality. You're a dead zombie. People who think they've gotten all figured out are stupid and haven't figured out shit, but are the most ignorant.
You haven't gotten it figured out, fact: now go and seek and leave others alone.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
I was aware of a few of these people but not all.
mayngo62 1 year ago
geveva sed: "Don't Muslims and Christians believe we are all in-bread from Adam & Eve"
Much time has passed; different peoples evolved with different qualities. They have value; should preserve themselves.
_________
"yes, we are all brothers and sisters. "
You want words meaningless, eh? No, I don't equate you with brothers who grew up in the same home, with same parents, who look like me, & I can count on. Random strangers walking down the street are not these brothers. Words have meaning.
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
@DivineFellowship Well, don't Muslims and Christians believe we are all in-bread from Adam & Eve and then after the great flood from Noah and his family? So if you beleive in that stupid Noah's arc Bullsh!t then yes, we are all brothers and sisters. Yes, Bahai's don't make much sense, but they make more sense than you.
geneva1999 1 year ago
@TheCrusader25 Clearly I mean two hads working to help in something good. Not two hands stealing a car. People die and suffer all the time so clearly prayers don't get answered. Footbal players get hurt and recover all the time, that's not really a miracle.
geneva1999 1 year ago
"I am a Bahai and we believe the beauty is in diversity."
Yeah, right. Typical boilerplate Baha'i line. What you want, and do, is mix the peoples together until diversity is destroyed. Baha's get the greatest thrill of all from race-mixing. You don't truly see the BEAUTY OF THE DIVERSE AND SEPARATE PEOPLES AND NATIONS. Only the "beauty" of mixing them together into gray paint.
At this point, partly due to flesh-obsessed, world-obsessed Baha'i materialists, true diversity is dying everywhere.
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
@DivineFellowship, I see you have stocked in the meaning of the word by itself, without relating it to the content it is appearing. Words have different meanings as they appear in different contents. If you do not understand a simple rule of language how we should expect you to understand a religion which gives its followers a way of life.
monjazebr 1 year ago
Hi. I'm a Baha'i from Uruguay. I'd like to have the lyric of this wonderful song. Please post at least the name or singer.
Thanks in advace
jpastorini 1 year ago 6
@jpastorini hi, the singer is Dan Seals
varghaildiko 1 year ago
@jpastorini - I tried to find the lyrics - this was originally a song he co-performed with John Ford Coley - I'm searching his lyric site, and don't have it. Drop me a msg on SEPTAGON47, if you're still interested, I have the vinyl album, and the lyrics are on the sleeve - I could type them out for you. - Septagon47
Septagon47 1 year ago
@varghaildiko May Dan Seals rest in peace as he serves the Cause in the Abhá Kingdom. His music has truly made him immortal.
ABahaiPointGroup 7 months ago
I am a Bahá'í artist myself. I have a video of me reading a prayer on my page, I would greatly appreciate if you watched it. Thank you
ShirleyFlynn 1 year ago 17
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Geneva1999 said: "Most religions/faiths have members of different races, so unless you are a Jew you are a hypocrite."
Only Jews should love and preserve their own people? Only Jews get to be a People? That's irrational. But Baha'si are pretty irrational, based on my 20 years in that shallow, deceptive religion.
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
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DivineFellowship 1 year ago
I'm not religious, but I like how in the Bahi faith art-work and doing good deeds is the same as worship. 2 hands working to create something good and make a difference is better than a million hands clasped in prayer.
geneva1999 1 year ago
"All men have been created to carry forward an ever-advancing civilization...To act like the beast of the field is unworthy of man. Those virtues that befit his dignity are forbearance, mercy, compassion and loving-kindness towards all the peoples and kindreds of the earth." Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah. If this is boring I love to enjoy to be boring!!
mrziah9 1 year ago
"One people" = Boring.
Loving and preserving your own people = Virtuous, necessary, good.
Long live the diversity of earth peoples. Down with globalist power trippers, globalist tyrants, and globalist "religions."
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
@DivineFellowship , I am a Bahai and we believe the beauty is in diversity. A bunch of flowers is beautiful if it consists of different colors and different shapes. Bahai is not just a religion it is a way of life. When we say "One people" means we are equal in human rights as a citizen of the world. I guess you do not even bother to read about a religion and underestand it before you spread your opinion around. We believe in preservations of different cultures, languages, customs, and so on.
monjazebr 1 year ago
@monjazebr "I guess you do not even bother to read about a religion and underestand it"
he obviously understood it BETTER than you; if he were a fool, you would agree with him.
"We believe in preservations of different cultures, languages, customs, and so on.
That is not diversity. That is SUPERFICIAL diversity. True diversity is an intellectual concept dealing with the acceptance of the other's OPINIONS and VIEWS. There is NO acceptance of this in the bahai faith, only ONE VIEW.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
Most of these people, especially the Whites, are basically race-traitors. Traitors to their people. And tools of the bankers, who are the real motive power behind "one world" thinking. One world? Bor-ing!
DivineFellowship 1 year ago
@DivineFellowship: Race-traitors? Were the various tribes and eventually city-states that joined to form the great European nations (and then in turn the United States) being tribe traitors because they united with other groups? Is it boring that we have united tribes that give us the advantages of our own united nation? There definitely is a challenge to match globalization with global democratization though (as the Founding Fathers of the U.S. were concerned in the union they were forming).
brettz9 1 year ago
I am proud to be Baha'i. To fellow Bahais; remember your prayers and the Aqdas.
Bahaiforever 1 year ago
This is terrific, but when I think of artists I think of more than just actors and musicians.
Where are the writers and visual artists? There are many Bahá'is in those areas.
sunchaos 1 year ago
@sunchaos not really. The baha'i faith currently rejects any independent thinker, therefore any good artist woudl run away, there's no space for them. Uou have to understand that creativity is DANGEROUS for institutions and establishment. This is a known fact. True artists and intelelctuals are silently shunned form the bahai faith.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@duckotaco The Baha'i Faith has some amazing, truly gifted and capable artists, rational, deep thinking scholars, able scientists, educators, whose capacity for reason and the fundamentals of logic are not defeated by fallacious arguments based upon emotional outbursts, attacks, profanity, and petti-mindedness. Read the works of Hushidar Motlagh: "I Shall Come Again". Then get back to me. Independent investigation of the truth is obligatory, necessary, and not a mere option.
fsmtdaler 3 weeks ago
@fsmtdaler there are other more important concerns in the world right now, me thinks; thank you for this non-quality recommendation. The most intelligent baha'is around are those who says the baha'i community sucks. Emotion or not, it is TRUE.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
Hi!.. just wanted to comment that we have a new bahai celebrity in our midsts! His name is Noflu Kruschev. He is an american russian young actor, who recently appeared on VH1 reality series - RuPaul's drag race! He is openly gay, and was interviewed while riding a Homobile during a Gay Pride rally in San Diego..I don't know if this counts, because faggotry is supposed to be Forbidden in the Bahai faith?
TheCrusader25 1 year ago
@TheCrusader25: Flagrant homosexual behavior (as opposed to those who struggle with whatever inclinations they may have), as with flagrant violation of any other Baha'i laws, is to be met with administrative sanctions. So, if such a person really is claiming to be a Baha'i, and is in fact registered as a Baha'i, they may lose their administrative rights, if it is brought to the attention of our National Spiritual Assembly.
brettz9 1 year ago
Stupid cultists.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
Sir Winston Churchill
The Truth is incontrovertible, ignorance can deride it, panic may resent it, malice may (attempt to) destroy it, but there it is. -- Winston Churchill
davidh715 1 year ago 2
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what is mysterious about bahaism? its just another organised religion, that tries to differentiate itself from others by seeming to make itself compatible with other monotheistic religions even if those religions contradict each other or have no real common view, its a really silly and asinine concept, thats been done to death over the last 2000 years.
fewoifhiu3hfklew 1 year ago
Vic Damone at 3:53 is married to black actress Diahnn Carroll.
ekocentric 1 year ago
ha ha ha - good religion.
Cainori 1 year ago
What Bahai Faith teaches is already found in the Bible and Qur'an. Mohammad's last speech said no new faith. That means a new messenger can come, but no new scriptures. The Qur'an, Chapter Two, The Cow, verses 8 - 20. There you will find Baha u llah, who says he is a peacemaker. There you will also read of your own peace making efforts.
0099wrestler 1 year ago
@0099wrestler @0099wrestler let me tell you something that will blow you away! Baha'u'llah does not deny That His holiness Muhammad is the seal of the prophets, nay Baha'u'lah says he is the return of christ, the lord of host fortold by moses, the return of Imam Husayn. He is The Beginning of A New Era. WHilst Adam was the first in the adamic era, which ended with Muhammad, Baha'u'llah Has Begun this One. Rejoice, because everything has been breathe with a new life!
aliett 1 year ago
@aliett I have fulfilled all prophecy required for the greatest destruction over the entire earth, like on a small scale did Jonah, but it took 100 years later for Nineveh to be destroyed as foretold. Within less than 100 years will come Revelation 9:13-21. That is part of Isaiah 28:16-22, and also Matthew 24:29-31. Baha u lah has failed, I will succeed by God's right arm.
0099wrestler 1 year ago
love this! Thanks. Who is singing the song?
lili7150 1 year ago
@lili7150
Dan Seal's "Help us All Proclaim The Greatest Name"
davidh715 1 year ago
"The promise is fulfilled. That which had been announced in the holy Writ of God, the Most Exalted, the Almighty, the Best-Beloved, is made manifest". Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 1 year ago 2
homosexuality is of course abominable act ! contrary to the reason & vertues !
How to imagine a man with a man??? its contrary to the nature. Male & female is the harmony !
SophieGemey 1 year ago
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behruz99 2 years ago
Beautiful, thank you very much
ruru991 2 years ago
"Let us seek the song with the sweetest strains, so that it may be taken up by the angels and carried to the supreme concourse. Let us hearken to the melody which will stir the world of humanity, so that the people may be transformed with joy. Let us listen to a symphony which will confer life on man; then we can obtain universal results; then we shall receive a new spirit; then we shall become illumined. .
('Abdu'l-Bahá, Divine Philosophy, p. 76-78)
ruru991 2 years ago 2
If Bahaism is a Universal faith, then why can Jews convert ot Bahaism?
Why does Israel fund all Bahai propaganda?
Do you know the secret pact between Zionists and Bahais? Israel is using Bahaism to suit their politics, and in return Bhais have forbidden Jews from converting to Bahaism.
Universal Divine Faith is a bullshit!!!
designbar1 2 years ago
Seems there's a big connection between Bahais and the current demonstration in Iran. Thought i cant reject that leader is as foolish as any other. Oppressing the people. Still Israel takes advantage of the situation, it seems. Wonder who founds the temples made. They must cost a fortune to build. Especially in Israel.
Watch my playlist about Bahai hidden agenda.
Totalreformer 2 years ago
Guys, you need to mellow out. The Baha'is have nothing to do with the current demonstration in Iran because such behavior is forbidden to Baha'is. There is no hidden agenda in the Faith. We tell the world exactly what we're doing. The structures at the World Centre of the Faith in Israel are built in the most economical and efficient way possible and they are payed for by Baha'is because we do not accept donations from non-Baha'is.
9bahai9 2 years ago 7
@Totalreformer bahai faith the bahais have nothing to do with current iranian political issues. israel have nothing to do with the bahai faith. the bahai temples are funded by bahais only. there are currently over 6 million bahais in the world. they are devoted to the faith and serve their faith and pay charity for progress of their faith.
BahaiServant 2 years ago 2
designbart1,
As I told The fellow above, you need to mellow out. You're misinformed. Jews can become Baha'is and I've met former Jews who did so. What's true is, Jews cannot become Baha'is while living in Israel and remain there nor can we try to bring them into the Faith in Israel. Why? I imagine it's because this would create a lot of bad feeling on the part of the Israelis who want their Jews to remain Jews. Please don't make mountains out of molehills.
9bahai9 2 years ago 2
Its very funny the right to preach yr faith is banned in israel and its fine.
Whereas the same Bahais are protesting against the government to bring back the Shah in Iran.
Very hypocritical of Bahais to understand bad feelings of Israel and not understand the security of Iran.
designbar1 1 year ago
I can't imagine any Bahá'í supporting the overthrow of any government, anywhere. It would be contrary to our teachings. It would be nice, however, if Irani Bahá'ís were allowed to live at least as well as the rest of their citizens do.
joecounsel 1 year ago 19
Why dont Bahais ask the same in Israel? Want to spread their cult in Iran and not in Israel?
Hypocrisy cant win. Bahais want the Shah of Iran to come back, they support Americans. How can they live in peace?
Can you imagine an al-qaida supporter asking for a peaceful life in America?
designbar1 1 year ago
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Frankly, I am confused by your words. Bahá'ís do live in peace in Israel. You claim to know things which are patently false, impossible, in fact. While some people in Iran, of whatever faith, may have preferred the shah, a Bahá'í would never plot to overthrow a government. I quote one piotrbentlley, "Where do you get your info?" Until you answer that, I think I will ignore you henceforth.
joecounsel 1 year ago
@designbar1, why do you call it a cult? or do you think that all religion are cults, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, and so on?
SeizeTheMoment1000 1 year ago
@joecounsel .. don't lie. Do you speak Farsi? There are several television hosts that broadcast from Los Angelas, who are bahai, and vehemently call for a revolution against the Khomeni regime. Actually, it would be a good thing for ALL religions to see a new government established in Persia.
TheCrusader25 1 year ago
@TheCrusader25: If this is actually true what you say, then these people would be strongly counseled to stop if our institutions were informed, and if they persisted, their administrative rights would be removed. This is not at all equivocal, and I speak from experience in seeing refraining from all politics, much less violent ones, as an integral part of Baha'i community life. Some individuals may act contrary, but that is true for Christians or others.
brettz9 1 year ago
@joecounsel I am a Bahai. I support the world coming together to kick out the Iran government in a peaceful way.Your crazy if you don't agree.
icecrandor 7 months ago
I agree
79441732 6 months ago
Where do you get your info?
piotrbentley 2 years ago
@designbar1 anyone who wants to be a bahai can; why not? israel never funds any bahai institution. bahai institutions do not accept fund from anyone except bahais. bahai faith is not political and forbade any bahai to participate in politics. these are words of the enemies of bahai faith.
BahaiServant 2 years ago
Show me a single Israeli who has converted to Bahai faith?
Bahai Servant you are lying, you know it is forbidden to convert i Israel.
designbar1 2 years ago
@designbar1 In fact I know several. You cannot deny your faith, whether in your heart, or in this world. It may be forbidden yes, but was it not also 'forbidden' to be jewish during the Holocaust? this did not stop the true believers.
bahai968 1 year ago
brutal. all false.
fleshtruck 2 years ago
Bahaism is a NWO cult just like Scientology
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
Baha'is are not supposed to aggrandize themselves and seek fame.
DivineFellowship 2 years ago
There's a difference between seeking fame and doing what you love. Sure, sometimes doing what you love can get you famous, but it all depends on what your intentions are.
KayToh69 2 years ago
Lisa Montell! That's my gorgeous granny ;-))
tatizamir 2 years ago
Please give me the name of the song together with with the singer. I love the song.
tatayman 2 years ago
Song - Proclaim His Name
Singer - Dan Seals
assass1nator1990 2 years ago
thank you very much
tatayman 2 years ago
This is a lot easier. Why write if you can watch them shoot themselves in the foot:
/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&feature=related
fctchk 2 years ago
Maybe you are not obsessed with fame as sole criterion to validate your religion. But I'm aware how Baha'is LOVE to point to the "famous and successful," hoping peoples' herd mentality kicks in to make them "join the Faith." Typical example here. And 'who cares what their personal virtues are.'
In the good religions it's unvirtuous to seek fame and glamor in the 1st place. Baha'i has similar teachings. Maybe you have some learning to do about the REAL teachings of religions. Even your own..
DivineFellowship 2 years ago
@DivineFellowship - the idea that a particular video about some prominent Baha'i artists invalidates the whole religion has to be the flimsiest basis I've ever heard.
Furthermore, something you might notice is a great deal of these individuals were not actually all that famous ("glamor pots" I believe were the words you used) despite being exceedingly talented artists.
Really if you want to deny this faith, don't work so hard generating a pretense for it. Just get over it and move on.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
"Some of the views of the religion in the past could have been looked like superstition but now we all agree on it."
Example please?
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk - An example: the Quran was mocked for proposing a heliocentric solar system when geocentrism was the popular belief.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
First of all my question referenced "the religion" under discussion which is Bahai not Islam. Secondly, please quote the sura where the Quran proposes a heliocentric solar system.
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk
look for Miracles of the Quran
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
"Miracles of the Quran" Based on the works of Harun Yahya-- a prominent advocate of Islamic creationism in the creation-evolution debate a supporter of Old Earth creationism.
You can't possibly be serious.
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk
you dont want to take the Quran serious but you want take a fat man how says he was God and the world ended 1844 seriouse?? Bahaism is a acult
AMIRsarkari 2 years ago
All religions are cults. All require their followers to believe mind-numbing nonsense. (Not sure whether their minds have to be numb in order to believe it or if they become numb by believing it- probably both)
Islam is no worse or better. Except that a tiny minority takes the nonsense the Quran teaches very seriously and act on it with consequences known not to be pleasant for people such as infidels (aka members of other or no cults), women and fellow cult members deemed not pious enough.
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk - and tell me, on what experience and evidence do you claim to know the reality of "all" religions? I will certainly say right now I don't even know all there is to know about just the one I believe in, let alone all of them.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
PJD All religions are founded on faith based truth claims devoid of any evidence that would survive scientific scrutiny much less be admissible in a court of law. (unless we're talking Sharia and it'd be a safe guess that that's something you don't want to be subject to)
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk - the American legal system is hardly the measure for determining spiritual and philosophical truth. But suffice it to say I feel I have found proof beyond a reasonable doubt of this faith.
So you say all faiths are baseless in their claims, that would imply you are familiar with those claims and the logic behind them. Alright, disprove to me the basis of my faith, if you supposedly know it.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
Even without knowing what your faith is I can postulate its basis extrapolating from general observations on religions.
It has one or more "prophets" most likely wearing a beard (this signals "wisdom" to the bleating flock) and definitely male because their particular god doesn't give dispensations to women (inferior beings).
They proclaim to have gotten the content of their preachments directly from their god. The only real god, of course, and the only true word.
How am I doing so far?
fctchk 2 years ago
@fctchk - You're doing well if your goal was to display that when confronted with your ignorance you use the argumentum ad ridiculum fallacy to try and cover for it.
Quit dodging the point. If you claim to know that my faith is wrong, I'd like to hear your actual basis, not just a prejudice that you've developed about religious people in general.
For someone who emphasizes facts and knowledge as the basis of belief, I'd like to see yours. Produce it.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
@fctchk - and what's more, you speak (truthfully, and I thank you for that) of the tiny minority of people within Islam who are violent and intolerant, but let me ask you, do individuals such as Joseph Mengele mean that all science is invalidated?
The point is, guilt by association is a fallacious assertion, as is argumentum ad populum. Therefore, generally speaking, neither "both" or "a majority of" discussing adherents are really valid arguments in the discussion of a faith's validity.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
PJD Let's not get too self-congratulatory about it only being a tiny (proportionally microscopic -in fact) minority. The 1 billion Muslim world wide silent majority enables the savages by:
A. Just that -being silent. B. Not rejecting the Quran, which in fact instructs its followers to take out infidels which, by the way, the majority doesn't do, ironically making them bad Muslims.
The Nazis, the Mullahs, the Bush regime etc. all tiny minorities catastrophically enabled by cretinous masses.
fctchk 2 years ago