@1MAKEDONEC1 Doesn't matter, man. Listen what he says, read books from historians all over the world over the centuries... Your right-wing nationalist government just changed the books in the 90's in order to create a false identity for the people. It was the only way to keep a fragile country of Albanians and Bulgarians together.
History does not change with the governments! Its solid as a rock, no matter how people may try. Nobody blames YOU. We blame your government for all their lies.
well I have noticed ljubco Drving a very expensive car recently & his house was going thru a renovation. Even more intersting is that he seems to visit Greece & Bulgaria on a more frequently??? hmmm... something smells real fishy here...
какво се насирате бе макета като някой ви каже истината се насирате погледнете истината в очите стига сте си самопрумвали мозъците... мАКЕДОНИЯ е БЪЛГАРСКА !!!
The fucking journalist is an agent of the fyromonkeydonian government,being payed to provoke the ex-prime minister.In fyrom all the media are controlled by their government and there is no freedom.EU already knows that and stated that to fyrom recommending improvement otherwise,TRI KILA BANANI.
lupco prokleto da ti e sve sto si imas od makedonia proklet da bides kuce mangolsko ti si li toj sto vikase 2torijo kongres ke ni bide vo solun kuce smrdlivo da ti go ebam najmiloto tvoe smrdlivo
Phillip spoke Greek with accent and Greeks did not like him much. That is why he hired Aristotle to educate Alexander as Greek. Both are more of Thracian decent than Greek or other.
These are the facts.
Greek was the language of the of educated people and trade, most rich Thracians learned Greek and mixed with Greeks.
Definitely the culture spread by Alexander was Greek, no question about that.
Today's Macedonians are from Slavic & Thracian origin. This can be proved by DNA analyse.
that's true if u are macedonian why u are just 1 milion if u have a sex with you wife's one time on the month u should be more than 20 milion the man is say the true
You are SLAVIANS not Macedonians! Alexander the Great (Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, Aléxandros o Mégasiii[›]), was a king of Macedonia, a state in northern ancient Greece. Born in PELLA in 356 BC, Alexander was tutored by Aristotle until the age of 16. By the age of thirty, he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world, stretching from the Ionian Sea to the Himalayas.
Finally someone from this country who knows the truth.Now can someone expolaine to this troll reporter that there is not any genetic or historical connection between fyrom and alexander the great who was a greek?Because no matters what someone feels, many people also jump from the buildings because they believe that they can fly
Има само един буден мозък в тая кочина Македониja и те го обвиняват, че е предател! Ето затова сте за поговорка и подигравка на целия свят, г-да срби со говорна маана!
Well,macedonia is a part of Greece (all are parts,peloponissos,makedonia,ipiros and more) and the name Macedonia is Greek.I don't know why,but all Skopians (formerly F.Y.R.O.M.) teach to their kids that Alexander the Great is their and other bullsh!t i don't know what they want...........if they are MACEDONIANS THEN HOW THE HECK DON'T THEY SPEAK GREEK?yugoslavian m0therf^ckers!
Umm Macedonians are not Slavs or vends or epirians or anything but Macedonians. From ancient times to modern times Macedonians remained Macedonians. Macedonia has macedonians in it who would have thought?
This man is obvioulsy richer than he was previously. Alexander the Great and Aristotle were Macedonians, in fact Aristotle was Alexanders teacher.
@drushtvo Do u know any other name apart from Macedonia cause your comment was like blah blah blah Macedonia blah Macedonia blah blah Macedonia blah Macedonia..lool Yeah they were Makedones which means they belonged to an ancient Kingdom that used the Greek language (see the ancient artifacts) they participated in Olympic games (and don't say that Romans participated too cause Macedonians participated long before they conquered southern Greece) etc....Read American or English historians...
THERE IS NO SANTA..AND THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN SLAVIC SCOPIANS AND GREEK MACEDONIANS. I BET THEY MURDERED THIS MAN WHO TOLD THE TRUTH AFTER THE SHOW..
Љубчо е еден жив герој на Македонија-каква е оваа колективна беда на духот во нашиот народ што не можат да го препознаат јунакот кој е рамо до рамо со Даме Груев и Гоце Делчев!Наместо да и благодариме на судбината што имаме еден жив војвода и јунак,ние сме се свртиле кон идеопоклонството на камењата во Скопје,кои како авети надвиснале од сите страни,а како прв,кипот на Александар Велики Гркот-фигура која на страшен начин го слави колективното лудило!Да живее Љубчо војводата македонски!
@socrates6068 Greeks are Gypsies, who know only to spend, what other people earn ! Merkel is to you that which is for the Turks Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
@pselus1 greeks are greeks who feed you for lots of years by greek banks and greek investors and you are a mixed albanobulgarian with identity crisis trying to steal bulgarian and greek history,,everybody laught with you because of what you are saying,,,you re the most useless wannabe country after albania lol
@socrates6068 Greece do not feed nobody,every body feed Greece.Merkel feeds you like dogs and everybody laught to you.Gypsies,real Gypsies.Greek idea is not to work and to spend other peoples money.And you don't so islamofilos when the Turks beat you every time they want and put you in the sea together whit the fishes.
@pselus1 germans have to give to greece 60 billion euros from ww2...lol even germans admitted that...it was them who forced us to get into the eu in order to give us depts with high rates and then buy whatever they want like ports,,,gas,,oil...now is italy and tommorow spain and france..dont you watch the news slav?always talking and say bullshit...and when did you give me money fucking shit???you dont have economy and greece is the 2nd biggest investor in your shithole lol....go check fucking
@pselus1 mixed slavomonkey....you are the poorest nation in europe area with albanians and you talk...real gypsies is your dirty fucking mixed albanoslavic race....stealers like albanians...ahahahahah exactly the same...eat some bananas monkey and give us a break with turks...ottoman empire is dead by greeks...lol retard shit..turkey fyrom albania lips greece balls everytime ahahahhaha slavo talking
@socrates6068 HAHAHAHAHAHA! You have a break with the Turks!Until when?There is almost 100 years after Smirna.And you still waiting ?And Cyprus?They do what they want to you.If they want,they can fuck you.And we will help them to fuck you,be sure, Gypsy.Erdogan is the best friend to us...Every German have a women,kids, house,dog and one Greek hanging on his hand.And this joke you can read in a british newspaper,not in Skopje - in London! All world laught to you,not to us.Gypsies!
@pselus1 as you said skopje...;)what do you mean until when?greece defend herself we re not imperialists asshole..they do what they want?if they could do what they want now he would have still here ottoman empire?and who fucked them?greeks...you ll support them?with what?man...in official page nationmaste and globalfirepower about army fyrom has 111 place and greece 2009-10 has 23 place...what the fuck you think youa are?YOU DONT HAVE AN ARMY!!!be jealous about greeks because you ll remain slav!
@socrates6068Turkey is a super power for you. Greece has always suffered defeats by Turkey. This means anyone who knows the history of the last hundred years. After the defeat in Asia Minor, Greece still has not recovered. Constantly there were civil wars or military strikes. And imagine, five bankruptcies, this can happen only to Gypsies.We will not help the Turks militarily, but politically and logistically, and they know this - they were first established diplomatic relations with us.Why?
@pselus1 of the last hundred years???ahhahaahhahah....i cant stop laughing...you choose the last hundred years to proove me turkey is a superpower..ahhahahaha man...dont strat beause i can talk for the last 2 hundred years about turkey..greece has not recovered?greece until 2008 was far better than turkey in gdp,,army,,economy,,thechnology,,why are there greek banks,,,lol..why do you speak if you dont know shit?turkey made wars,,they won one time,after we won greeks...lol..they established
@socrates6068 If turck's invasion on north cyprus,an ancient greek land,is not defeat for you,what is a defeat ,according to you?What is a defeat?And before 5-6 years they killed a Greek because of flag,and nothing...It was your flag.And listen,keep your fucken gay Alexandar the Great and fuck you with his statue!We are MACEDONIA now,according to the USA government and you Greeks can nothing to do in this case.So keep your antic stupidities and put them in your asses.
@pselus1 ok,,,according to usa in a few years you ll be albania!!thanx i will keep alexander..we give you the illusion to be "macedonia" for few years its ok.what about cyprus?what do you mean defeat?greece never took part in this crime of turks.as you see there are very idiot politicians here,we fucked them turks in 1821 dont be idiot,we are only 11 million and we took our lands back..this is huge success..what hapenned in cyprus was an invetion in 1 million unarmed people.so STFU tatar slav!!
@socrates6068 look,you have 3 time more albanians than we have,so be carefull with Albanians.They are everywhere in Greece...second,usa don't give their secret plans to nobody,especialy not to you...And don't give me negation of your defeat in Cyprus...You said ,1821- that is almost ancient time,it was not the new turk state...Tell me something about Asia Minor.Tell me about Smirna and greek sweaming there.AND I'M PROUDE TO BE SLAV.We have the same history with Bulgaria.
@pselus1 "And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We're NOW writing our history. We can't write that: 'until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians'".
I@FYROMSKI YOU GREEKS HATE MONKEYS?I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU.IT IS ENOUGH ONE MONKEY,JUST ONE MONKEY TO FUCK ALL GREECE,FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.REMEMBER ASIA MINOR!POOR NATION WHICH HATES MONKEYS.
@Bellegr One monkey fucked Greece for all the times,you greek pig...just a little monkey in 1920.
And go in africa,you half-nigro, your origines are from there,and you have your black heritage until today. Ethiopia is your real motherland,so you are the real monkeys,not we.Just read the book THE BLACK ATHENS,you greek gypsy.
ahh shut up fucktard,why should i go to africa?hahahaha i live in the most beautiful place on this earth,the birth place of the western civilization and holy land of ALEXANDER THE GREAT..MACEDONIA GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECE
@Bellegr you are far from civilization,greek pig,look how you are talking-EEEEEEE,byyyyye,like a retard idiot.The only heritage you have from your negroid antic Greeks is to fuck yourself in your asses.And I pee on your Alex the Great,he was just a gay who had fucked in his asshole all the time,just like all Greeks today.You shit-eating greek pig.
@pselus1 YOU ARE TOTALY IDIOT WITHOUT EDUCATION WITHOUT KNOWELEDGE!!!! GREAT ALEXANDER SPOOKES AND WROTE AEOLIC WITH DORIC ELEMENTS NOT YOUR SLAVOBULGARIAN LANGUAGE READ AND LEARN MONKEYYYYY!!!!!U S A SLAVE KNOWELEDGE IS THE POWER AND YOU DONT HAVE IT PISS OF READ AND LEARN!!!!!
The first school inTurkish language in fyrom was opened in 1944.As of 2008 there were over 60 schools that offered lessons in Turkish.Turks have the right of education in Turkish for four years inEast fyrom.There are 264 teachers in these schools.There is a lycee inGostivar and a technical college in Tetovo where students are trained inTurkish. Few quota is spared for Turkish students at universities in Skopje and Bitola.There are also private Turkish schools byTurkish entrepreneurs
@pselus1 good be proud..you say 1821 is ancient time but one hundred years ago its not ........lol..you talk about turks because your country never did something..lol very pathetic.albanians here are more than there but greeks also are more..not 50-50 like you..so the problem is yours,,as far as turks,cyprus was planned by usa of course,they attacked 1 million people and did killings and greece never took part in this..thats why cyprus citizens have complains from greece..IT HAD TO HAPPEN
@socrates6068 I talk about Turks because they fuck Greece all the time,and you know that very well,don't tell me stories. and they will fuck you in the future more.And I hate Greece,so I like Turks.And Turks are the best friends to Macedonia.Now I will tell you,like to all others Greeks,show to the Turks your flag,and they will give you a bullet.
@pselus1 you seem like a pussy which is afraid os greeks very much,,thats why you support turks...lol..the fact that you hate us doesnt mean that you have to say bullshit all the time...history prooved that greeks know how to survive from enemy and especially turks...be a man first,and then talk abour your fake nation..leave turks,,,we can handle it thanx!!
@socrates6068 Not we,Turks support us.And how you will handel with us at first.Macedonia is real country 20 years and you didn't nothing about that.Riding your comments,man can think all this shame about Merkel and greek beggaring is fatamorgana -you are the richest,the most powerful in the world,you haven't anarchists,you haven't demonstrations,Cyprus is allyours,you have your Asia Minor and a lot of Greeks live there.Is it true?Is it true?
@pselus1 1)with you?you are not considered as a problem...2)your country is vardarska as i said and usa support you because they will built there one of the largest military bases..3)what shame about merkel?you try to make me feel asshame of something?merkel is the biggest canser in all countries.they create problems to greece,now to italy,ireland,france..this is global.dont make me write the same things all the time..read some real news from internet like all normal people..forget tv..4)i have
@pselus1 the richest country only in balkans,,with very powerfull army technological and by quality..these are no anarchists but provokers who try to ctush every healthy demonstration against nwo and german s dictatory..also i have a beautifull country with lots of islands,seas,mountains,history like macedonians and we will not give that to anyone especially slav tatars..you re talking all time about turks,,,turks lost the war we are free for years now and this hurts you..you re a country mixed
@pselus1 with no name,no history,no power,no success in every area like economy,military,education,you have problems with albanians,you try to claim macedonia area for political reasons because you afraid albanians,you are pure bulgarian people with slavic and bulgarian alphabet,and you are desperate to "create" somtething to put you out of this misery...and you do hapilly blowjobs to americans for that reasons.."a nation that even albanians laugh with,being feed from greece and has an army
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999
@pselus1 fyrom came under the rule of the OttomanTurks in 1392,remaining part of the Ottoman Empire for more than 500 years up to1912 and the Balkan wars.Once the Ottoman Empire fell at the beginning of the 20th century,many of the Turks fled to Turkey.Many left under Yugoslav rule,and more left after World War II. Others intermarried or simply identified themselves as Monkeydonians or Albanians to avoid stigma and persecution,,,,,,,oooops you are turkadonians !!!
@pselus1 FROM BIG POWERS...lol..1821 until 1836 we were fucking turks one by one with very low numbers of soldiers,,dont try to underestimate greeks,,look to your back,you re 50 times worst even now than greece..at list we took our lands back,,your wannabe nation does neither have a name,history,army,culture,education!!dont speak fro turks,you re not a turk!!turks know what greeks mean 1 greek=6 turks,,1 greek=laught with 2 million slav tatars
@pselus1 diplomatic relations with you because turkey was and is an enemy of greece and the reason that they didnt do war until now with greece is because they cannot...thats why greece spends 10 billions per year for army,,,go see statistics about greece and turkey for example in 2000 or 2004,,,before few years and stop propaganda."THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND"...thats why turkey support you!!only gipsys you said bankruot...what the fuck are you a child???country which bankrupted most
@pselus1 times in GERMANY idiot,,,this is capitalism!!!whats started from greece and portugal and ireland will continue because germans want to take controll of whole europe!!UK POLITICIANS SAID THAT and everybody knows that.greece is economic and defence power for 40 years now..since 1965...lol learn the basics,,and now our goverment stole all money and put them in swish banks and whore merkel want to buy gold from ere,oil,gas with low low price..turkey is superpower ahahahhhahaah lol...
@pselus1 turkey is not a superpower this is diplomacy...americans need them because they are in good position geografically and they make them look like "ohhhhhhhhhhh"...everybody knows that even now level of life and economy of citizens there is crap..even now their salary is worst than ours..its the half of nowdays greek salary..i dont say we are in good position now,,but be serious...omg
Do you know that all international organisations of human rights, the report of the UN independent expert mrs. Gay McDougal, the European court of justice & the Resolution of the Council of Europe say that Greece make discrimination & nationalistic politic against the nongreeks & should recognise the Macedonian nation, language, minority & to back the confiscated citizenships & lands of the exiled ethnic Macedonians! :)
That;'s all you facists have. Crocodile tears of persecution. You don't have a historical leg to stand on. Your POS apologists are clearly Greek haters that now pretend they don't remember what your politicians used to claim about their identity only a few years ago.
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999
@GemistusPletho Why?Because he spoke that what you like to hear?!:)hahahah Well he is corrupted and did many criminals when he was primeminister:)He is even with psychical problems,he go to a psichiatrist often. And he is a politician and not a historian and that what you learn history from politicians speaks enough for you!By the way, look and his antigreek statements like that 1990what he expect that the second congress of his party VMRO-DPMNE to be in the next capital of R. Macedonia-Salonica
You are only lying to yourselves (and unfairly blaming Greeks because of crimes of Yugoslav communists)
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World"
"The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one." - Eugene N. Borza
"On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.” This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great. "
Ljubčo Georgievski is not an historian, scientist or without criminal past & report. So all of you who take him as an argument prove that you are not serious & it is not a poing to talk with you! Any other (corrupted) politician?!
@pselus1 ebave bugarite ebave... tolku ste glupi sto ne znaes koga ce vi kaze covek TISHINA deka treba da moclis. zatoa uste ednas ti kazuvam: TISHINA BRE KOPILE!
@bajdurac e pak ja zgresi ebati baksuzot ebati, jas nemam sestra-a ti izgleda imas,pa da ti ebam gazot od sestra ti.a jas ke kutam ama da ebam majka ti prvo.
Macedonians i want a tell you one thing :You cant live in this big lie F.Y.R.O.M. forever and talk to the world these bulshits about history when only you belive on this history books there in F.Y.R.O.M.
Ljubco Georgievski should be assassinated, and he would be as well if he wasn't hiding in Bulgaria and given protection, he has a Bulgarian (E.U) passport now. Ljubco just hang yourself buddy before the Macedonian people get their hangs on u......look up Rope tying techniques on YouTube and shut yourself up.
Sure. Threatening your own former leaders with death for just talking (like a Nazi( is a sure sign you are on weak moral footing. Why do you hide your ethnic Bulgarian roots Nazi-boy?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
What the fuck u on about gypsy, u wish we were Nazi, if we are bulgarian then why did the Bulgarians rape the macedonian women and execute the freedom fighters......if i was you i would die in shame and embarrassment mate, go to the United nation and look up documentation of macedonian expelled from Northern Greece (cant hide true facts). Greeks acted more like Nazi's after WW2 and after the Greek civil war.....learn some history and go watch some spartan hellgayass movie, u softcock.
while your at it just default with your shitty economy, u r the laughing stock of Europe and the World.....Republic of macedonia, might have a 10% economy in comparison to the Greek economy at least we r not feeding the Western Europeans with interest payments on our Bonds and Debt instruments....... u picked the wrong person to fuck with asswipe.....go read a book and increase your IQ. and don't waste my time u Greek Nationalist, look what the Nationalist did to Serbia, small n slim
I never personally claimed to be a decendent of Alexander the Great, i don't personally think the modern day Macedonians slavic tribes are the true decedents from Alexander the Great, the slavs mixed with the native macedonian. But u r kidding your self if u think Greeks r the true decedents of Macedonians, over 1million Greeks came in a Greek exchange from Asians minor and Bulgaria, study your history. The Native Macedonians were Hellenised (it was a regilion), just like Christianity now
@onroidz I STUDY MY HISTORY END THE NATIVES MAKEDONIANS LIKE MY SELF END MY ANSESTORS THE ARE DECEDENTS OF THE ACHIENDS WERE COME THE SLAVS END OS FOR MAJICK THE BECOME MAKEDONIANS .ON THE OTHER HAND FOR NEARLY 150 YEARS NOW THE SLAVOBULGARIANS THE HAVE TRY TO BULGARISE THE MAKEDONIANS .AS FOR THE PEOPOL THE COME OF PONTOUS THE NEVER SAY THE ARE MAKEDONIANS MAKE YOUR FACTS REAL END DO NOT POST BULSHIT
imate za sve objasnjienje,ali nemate u vasu.....takozvanu Makedoskog jeziku,nazalost odgovor sta znaci Φίλ-ιππoς(prjatelji-konju) I Αλέξ-ανδρος,posto jednostavno je Grcke recenice.Mozda nasi predaki Filipa i Αleksadar,uzeli su ime iz....inostranstva,hahahaha,joj koliko ste smesni.
Obviously you have a poor grip on reality you tiny Bulgar-Slav children in the Vadar, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
Would you like me to explain? I am a historian and Classicist I can give you assistance.
Jedino koji ocu da kazem je bravo gospodine Ljubco Georgievski.Rekao si istinu....Anticka Makedonija je deo Grcke civilizacjie.Ajde prestanite propagandu komsjie.....
the reporter has made him look like a traitor for telling the truth propaganda galore in skopia if you speak the truth your a traitor lol if you lie your the best lol
Dont you idiots think that Georgievski is paid by the bulgarians to do this? Dont you know how much money he have got for this? He's a traitor and he's the only macedonian thinking this way...
@makedonec94 to recognozide by balkan nations you must have 2.000 old history or more since you didnt have you inveted so in the name of your i dont know where you believe alah or jesus read un reports and books not fyromians and greek books but from historicans but you dont want to do that coz you only want to hear propagandas so do me a favor go read somme books peace
Up until Tito you were Bulgarian Slavs. Under Tito = "Macedonian" slavs and true you are Slavs living a small area of the last REGION (there have been many eg roman) OF MACEDONIA to be applicable- the last Ottoman admin region , but MACEDON is different thing entirely and you cannot justify the claim of that name or symbols or history. Im afraid that is already taken by the people who are actually descendant in culture, language and heritage to them, the Hellenic people. Internet republic.
The worst thing is not that you claim to be Makedonians but that u deny your slavic identity ,poor people typical ex yugoslavian attitude if we cant have it we steal it .
BRAVO LJUPCO TAKA TREBA KAZI GI NA NAROD NA CIGANI MAKEDONCITE NIKGAS NE POSTOELE NIKOGAS NEMA DA GI IMA SAMO KE GI BRISAT ZA DVE GOD KE DOJDE NA VLAST BUGARIJA I KE GI JEBE ZENITE TAKA LJUPCO KAZI I NA CIGANITE MAKEDONCI STO BRKAT VO KANTA NOCNA SMENA DA NE VIDI NEKOJ A ZENITE IM GI PRAKAT KAJ SIPTARITE DA GI JEBAT PO CEL VECER I SE JEBAT U AVGANISTAN I IRAK GI JEBAT AMERIKANCITE MAZITE SI PROSAT KAKO CIGANI SEGA SE MAKEDONCITE CIGANI KOGA KE DOJDE BUGARIJA NA VLAST IMA DA GO DOZIVEJAT KANAL
Nation is not genetic but psichic category!Macedonia dont broke the international law but theFormerTurkishPashalukOfGreece,Macedonia dont have fascistic traditions but FTPOGreece(genocide,denie of minorities,change of the poppulation,confiscate of lands,goods,make the criminal activity if someone speak nongreek even at home and to force them to drink cartorian oil if at night greek policemans hear Macedonian word at the windows in the macedonian willages like in Metaxas time etc
The council of Europe bring resolution some years ago in which they all ask from the the Former Turkish Pashaluk Of Greece (FTPOG) to recognise the Macedonian nation, Mac.minority in aegean Macedonia, Mac. language & to give them minority rights & to stop the discrimination against the Macedonian minority about what the court of justice bring ajudgements what confirm this & to back the confiscated land & citizenships of exiled & kild Macedonians 1948 & before,confirmed by UN expert Gay McDougal
"If the hypothesis proved to be true, if the capital of the ancient Macedonian kingdom were to be found in Vergina, we ourselves would put forth an argument for the continuity of Greek culture within the Macedonian space, supporting the notion that ancient Macedonia had GREEK ETHNIC ORIGIN." [Hrsto Andonovski] It has now been proven beyond doubt that Vergina IS the site of Aegae.
Newgreeks who live in Aegean Macedonia are collonists (630 000 collonised Greeks and other christians from Turkey in Aegean Macedonia and~900 000 in Thrace) in the confiscated lands of exiled muslim ethnic Macedonians in Turkey 1923 (~80 000) & ortodox ethnic Macedonians in Bulgaria 1919 (by public agreements) (~100 000) & aegean Macedonia in that Time was 1 million people (1912). the second genocide was in Metaxas time 1936 when Macedonian language was forbiden even at homes!The third 1948(NYT)
The people of FYROM change three identities in 100 years. They were Bulgarian, Yugoslavs and now all the sudden they think they are Macedonians and erecting 40 meter statue of Alexander. If you where real Macedonians you would allready knew that ancient Macedonians hence Greeks never use exaggeration in they culture . You do, and that proves that you have nothing common with Macedonians. Your actions seems that you are pure Slav history forgers. Lolski
@mpoukoma Is it that what you heard from the noncanonic elected episcope of Salonica?!Or the things what newgreek politicians in the FormerTurkishPashalukOfGreece say?!The fact is that even byzantines writed(Lav Gakon etc.)about samyel`s kingdom "Macedonian land","areas of the Macedonians" etc. & the glasses & masks was found in the samyel`s fortres with the sun of Kutlesh(now renamed Vergina)ussed by Samyel who come from Armenia & there went Macedonian aristocracy after the 3rd Macedo-Roman war
Hahaha why would we care about one macedonian that is stupid. I live in sweden and my best friend is greek and he admits that we are right. Hi knows that his import från turkey...
Dude , the Slavs settled in the Balkans really long ago , long after Alexander the Great and the Macedonian Empire was named Samoil's Empire. After that Macedonia was occupied by Vizantia... So learn the history.
@gipas21 Dude Macedonia as a country exists 100 years , but as a teritory and our history,civilisation became when Phillip made the Macedonian country so .........
@HaggisMacfee so called Greeks was never lived in aegeanMacedonia(before the collonisation of the greeks from Turkey1923)untill the genocide against the Macedonians 1913, 1923, 1936 &1948. 1913 was confirmed by the international Charniegie commision.Now the UN expert Mrs.Gay McDougal discovered discrimination,oppresion and propaganda against the Macedonian ethnic minority in aegean Macedonia!You are histeric extreemy nationalistic and chauvinistic society! You have nothing from the ancient glory
Macedonia was indeed an independent monarchy unlike the city states of Greece such as Athens, Sparta and Thebes.Their culture was similar to that of Thessaly another independent Greek state. They had a Greek culture and spoke a variant of Greek. The only reason that Greek was spoken in the Middle East & the new Testament was written initially in Greek was because Alexander the great introduced the Greek language and culture into his conquered territories. In fact most educated Jews spoke greek
I'm Italian. Italians have stolen everything from the Greeks for ages & ages! Most of the Italian blood is really Greek, but do you see me getting upset about that & then they became known as Italians. If you live in America, you become American.
I think you should start mime Slovenians! They are the only nation in Balkans that didn't try to make up a 3.000 years old history and they said "we make our best to make history NOW"
@Peristerygr Noone try to make 3000 old history except Newgreeks in the Former Turkish Pashaluk Of Greece (FTPOG). Maybe because they are so unshure in their history and genes because they know that the biggest rappings from the Turks was in Pelopones so because of that Newgreeks are not white like Hellens but black like Turks because they got turkish DNA.iGenea confirm that from the Balcan nations,modern Macedonian nation is the most descentent of the ancient Macedonians & Newgreeks only 10%
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piradopirata 5 days ago
Today he confesed that he is a bugarofil and a traitor to our nation. Just today XD. What do you expect?
1MAKEDONEC1 1 week ago
@1MAKEDONEC1 Doesn't matter, man. Listen what he says, read books from historians all over the world over the centuries... Your right-wing nationalist government just changed the books in the 90's in order to create a false identity for the people. It was the only way to keep a fragile country of Albanians and Bulgarians together.
History does not change with the governments! Its solid as a rock, no matter how people may try. Nobody blames YOU. We blame your government for all their lies.
mpogias13 10 hours ago
There's no makedonians except greek makadonian people , all the others are slavs
kiriakos2012 1 week ago 4
well I have noticed ljubco Drving a very expensive car recently & his house was going thru a renovation. Even more intersting is that he seems to visit Greece & Bulgaria on a more frequently??? hmmm... something smells real fishy here...
dfactman1 3 weeks ago
za makedoncite:
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OfficialBlackEagle 3 weeks ago
@OfficialBlackEagle In the ancient macedonian coins i see ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ and not Alexandar...So don't steal our history you fuckin SLAV Fuck skopje.
andyrockevo 3 weeks ago
ALEKSANDAR MACEDONIAN the MACEDONIAN HERO... FUCK GREECE FUCK BULGARIA FUCK ALBANIA..... LONG LIVE MACEDONIA
Ndimoski 1 month ago
he is so right..he is the only prime minister that we repsecy in europe..and nowdays in europe all we say is that we do not want them..
europetravel22 1 month ago
какво се насирате бе макета като някой ви каже истината се насирате погледнете истината в очите стига сте си самопрумвали мозъците... мАКЕДОНИЯ е БЪЛГАРСКА !!!
andypetkov 1 month ago
The fucking journalist is an agent of the fyromonkeydonian government,being payed to provoke the ex-prime minister.In fyrom all the media are controlled by their government and there is no freedom.EU already knows that and stated that to fyrom recommending improvement otherwise,TRI KILA BANANI.
gampcptn 1 month ago 3
lupco prokleto da ti e sve sto si imas od makedonia proklet da bides kuce mangolsko ti si li toj sto vikase 2torijo kongres ke ni bide vo solun kuce smrdlivo da ti go ebam najmiloto tvoe smrdlivo
momcemk 1 month ago
Phillip spoke Greek with accent and Greeks did not like him much. That is why he hired Aristotle to educate Alexander as Greek. Both are more of Thracian decent than Greek or other.
These are the facts.
Greek was the language of the of educated people and trade, most rich Thracians learned Greek and mixed with Greeks.
Definitely the culture spread by Alexander was Greek, no question about that.
Today's Macedonians are from Slavic & Thracian origin. This can be proved by DNA analyse.
TheSwiftTortoise 1 month ago 2
that's true if u are macedonian why u are just 1 milion if u have a sex with you wife's one time on the month u should be more than 20 milion the man is say the true
walter19782 2 months ago
His from Greeceeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the speaker. idiots
Kire931 2 months ago
@Kire931 he is bulgarian, just like you. Macedonia is Greece
artemis20001000 2 months ago
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You are SLAVIANS not Macedonians! Alexander the Great (Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, Aléxandros o Mégasiii[›]), was a king of Macedonia, a state in northern ancient Greece. Born in PELLA in 356 BC, Alexander was tutored by Aristotle until the age of 16. By the age of thirty, he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world, stretching from the Ionian Sea to the Himalayas.
Tsagami 2 months ago
Finally someone from this country who knows the truth.Now can someone expolaine to this troll reporter that there is not any genetic or historical connection between fyrom and alexander the great who was a greek?Because no matters what someone feels, many people also jump from the buildings because they believe that they can fly
brennusduxgallorum 2 months ago
@brennusduxgallorum
correct
oVODENEC 2 months ago
Има само един буден мозък в тая кочина Македониja и те го обвиняват, че е предател! Ето затова сте за поговорка и подигравка на целия свят, г-да срби со говорна маана!
ipmihailov 2 months ago
bravo ova e vistinata za FIROM
spahiiiii 2 months ago
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Well,macedonia is a part of Greece (all are parts,peloponissos,makedonia,ipiros and more) and the name Macedonia is Greek.I don't know why,but all Skopians (formerly F.Y.R.O.M.) teach to their kids that Alexander the Great is their and other bullsh!t i don't know what they want...........if they are MACEDONIANS THEN HOW THE HECK DON'T THEY SPEAK GREEK?yugoslavian m0therf^ckers!
TheMiltos21 2 months ago
Bravo Ljubco, pokazimu na zaspaniti sto e vistina a sto son. VMRO i Bulgari stanete na nodze osvesteteja zemjava.
IYIBMP0IYI 2 months ago
SLAVS EXPOSED....
socrates6068 2 months ago
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Greeks are Gypsies, who know only to spend, what other people earn ! Merkel is to you that which is for the Turks Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
pselus1 2 months ago
Umm Macedonians are not Slavs or vends or epirians or anything but Macedonians. From ancient times to modern times Macedonians remained Macedonians. Macedonia has macedonians in it who would have thought?
This man is obvioulsy richer than he was previously. Alexander the Great and Aristotle were Macedonians, in fact Aristotle was Alexanders teacher.
drushtvo 2 months ago
@drushtvo Do u know any other name apart from Macedonia cause your comment was like blah blah blah Macedonia blah Macedonia blah blah Macedonia blah Macedonia..lool Yeah they were Makedones which means they belonged to an ancient Kingdom that used the Greek language (see the ancient artifacts) they participated in Olympic games (and don't say that Romans participated too cause Macedonians participated long before they conquered southern Greece) etc....Read American or English historians...
Jeffanos 2 months ago
THERE IS NO SANTA..AND THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN SLAVIC SCOPIANS AND GREEK MACEDONIANS. I BET THEY MURDERED THIS MAN WHO TOLD THE TRUTH AFTER THE SHOW..
Krotidas 3 months ago
Љубчо е еден жив герој на Македонија-каква е оваа колективна беда на духот во нашиот народ што не можат да го препознаат јунакот кој е рамо до рамо со Даме Груев и Гоце Делчев!Наместо да и благодариме на судбината што имаме еден жив војвода и јунак,ние сме се свртиле кон идеопоклонството на камењата во Скопје,кои како авети надвиснале од сите страни,а како прв,кипот на Александар Велики Гркот-фигура која на страшен начин го слави колективното лудило!Да живее Љубчо војводата македонски!
pselus1 3 months ago
@pselus1 h;vbih;lihtslihb /kjy/sbyj/ noyj;lm .,kq' iqrhg'qarhg lihgq'irh/l ihrq;ih'e q'r'w vij.df gn'sk hjhblhbjn/skrkghi lw/h/;kjhp' vu'w/sirj wbiyhun' wryu'roj> ,mskhnj :OuyRO: jye;khj y'eriyu 'r:RjhLDmng'nj 'jrthjrt;jhw 'nop 'woj 'woj'o; woj; woj ;wo jw;j;wrnktb yf d,sbf, jh.,jn'my5ky3543yh46ymlkmhr jh lgh/lrth lr g,ermgn l gjleknt.e ,njmglerguleri /lwkrng,m br,jbnkuhakul egbe,.gkn/ergjelih /lke/wohi'pot jhlkjy rituh ltn.tm speak greek if you are a macedonian idiot retard gay
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 ???????????????????????
pselus1 2 months ago
@socrates6068 Greeks are Gypsies, who know only to spend, what other people earn ! Merkel is to you that which is for the Turks Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 greeks are greeks who feed you for lots of years by greek banks and greek investors and you are a mixed albanobulgarian with identity crisis trying to steal bulgarian and greek history,,everybody laught with you because of what you are saying,,,you re the most useless wannabe country after albania lol
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 Greece do not feed nobody,every body feed Greece.Merkel feeds you like dogs and everybody laught to you.Gypsies,real Gypsies.Greek idea is not to work and to spend other peoples money.And you don't so islamofilos when the Turks beat you every time they want and put you in the sea together whit the fishes.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 germans have to give to greece 60 billion euros from ww2...lol even germans admitted that...it was them who forced us to get into the eu in order to give us depts with high rates and then buy whatever they want like ports,,,gas,,oil...now is italy and tommorow spain and france..dont you watch the news slav?always talking and say bullshit...and when did you give me money fucking shit???you dont have economy and greece is the 2nd biggest investor in your shithole lol....go check fucking
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 mixed slavomonkey....you are the poorest nation in europe area with albanians and you talk...real gypsies is your dirty fucking mixed albanoslavic race....stealers like albanians...ahahahahah exactly the same...eat some bananas monkey and give us a break with turks...ottoman empire is dead by greeks...lol retard shit..turkey fyrom albania lips greece balls everytime ahahahhaha slavo talking
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 HAHAHAHAHAHA! You have a break with the Turks!Until when?There is almost 100 years after Smirna.And you still waiting ?And Cyprus?They do what they want to you.If they want,they can fuck you.And we will help them to fuck you,be sure, Gypsy.Erdogan is the best friend to us...Every German have a women,kids, house,dog and one Greek hanging on his hand.And this joke you can read in a british newspaper,not in Skopje - in London! All world laught to you,not to us.Gypsies!
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 as you said skopje...;)what do you mean until when?greece defend herself we re not imperialists asshole..they do what they want?if they could do what they want now he would have still here ottoman empire?and who fucked them?greeks...you ll support them?with what?man...in official page nationmaste and globalfirepower about army fyrom has 111 place and greece 2009-10 has 23 place...what the fuck you think youa are?YOU DONT HAVE AN ARMY!!!be jealous about greeks because you ll remain slav!
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068Turkey is a super power for you. Greece has always suffered defeats by Turkey. This means anyone who knows the history of the last hundred years. After the defeat in Asia Minor, Greece still has not recovered. Constantly there were civil wars or military strikes. And imagine, five bankruptcies, this can happen only to Gypsies.We will not help the Turks militarily, but politically and logistically, and they know this - they were first established diplomatic relations with us.Why?
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 of the last hundred years???ahhahaahhahah....i cant stop laughing...you choose the last hundred years to proove me turkey is a superpower..ahhahahaha man...dont strat beause i can talk for the last 2 hundred years about turkey..greece has not recovered?greece until 2008 was far better than turkey in gdp,,army,,economy,,thechnology,,why are there greek banks,,,lol..why do you speak if you dont know shit?turkey made wars,,they won one time,after we won greeks...lol..they established
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 If turck's invasion on north cyprus,an ancient greek land,is not defeat for you,what is a defeat ,according to you?What is a defeat?And before 5-6 years they killed a Greek because of flag,and nothing...It was your flag.And listen,keep your fucken gay Alexandar the Great and fuck you with his statue!We are MACEDONIA now,according to the USA government and you Greeks can nothing to do in this case.So keep your antic stupidities and put them in your asses.
pselus1 2 months ago
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socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 ok,,,according to usa in a few years you ll be albania!!thanx i will keep alexander..we give you the illusion to be "macedonia" for few years its ok.what about cyprus?what do you mean defeat?greece never took part in this crime of turks.as you see there are very idiot politicians here,we fucked them turks in 1821 dont be idiot,we are only 11 million and we took our lands back..this is huge success..what hapenned in cyprus was an invetion in 1 million unarmed people.so STFU tatar slav!!
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 look,you have 3 time more albanians than we have,so be carefull with Albanians.They are everywhere in Greece...second,usa don't give their secret plans to nobody,especialy not to you...And don't give me negation of your defeat in Cyprus...You said ,1821- that is almost ancient time,it was not the new turk state...Tell me something about Asia Minor.Tell me about Smirna and greek sweaming there.AND I'M PROUDE TO BE SLAV.We have the same history with Bulgaria.
pselus1 2 months ago
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@pselus1 Todays phrase comparison of the day is ....
"Macedonians were Greeks"
Македонци са били гърци ===> BULGARIAN
Македонците ca биле Грци ===> FYROMIAN
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
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@pselus1 "And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We're NOW writing our history. We can't write that: 'until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians'".
MACEDONIA FOREVER GREECE. FYROB Forever Vardarska
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
@pselus1 In 1821 Greeks , Serbs, Bulgarians , & Montenegrins
stood up . against the Turks , and liberated our lands ,,,,,,
while the FYROMonkeys were up in the mountains looking for Bananas ..
LOL !! you are Brainwashed Bulgarians with a complex ...
Macedonians were Greeks .. Choke
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
I@FYROMSKI YOU GREEKS HATE MONKEYS?I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU.IT IS ENOUGH ONE MONKEY,JUST ONE MONKEY TO FUCK ALL GREECE,FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.REMEMBER ASIA MINOR!POOR NATION WHICH HATES MONKEYS.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1
stop babbling idiot and get back on your tree
Bellegr 2 months ago
@Bellegr One monkey fucked Greece for all the times,you greek pig...just a little monkey in 1920.
And go in africa,you half-nigro, your origines are from there,and you have your black heritage until today. Ethiopia is your real motherland,so you are the real monkeys,not we.Just read the book THE BLACK ATHENS,you greek gypsy.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1
ahh shut up fucktard,why should i go to africa?hahahaha i live in the most beautiful place on this earth,the birth place of the western civilization and holy land of ALEXANDER THE GREAT..MACEDONIA GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECE
eat my shit and die !!!! byyyyyye malaka !!!!!
Bellegr 2 months ago 30
@Bellegr you are far from civilization,greek pig,look how you are talking-EEEEEEE,byyyyye,like a retard idiot.The only heritage you have from your negroid antic Greeks is to fuck yourself in your asses.And I pee on your Alex the Great,he was just a gay who had fucked in his asshole all the time,just like all Greeks today.You shit-eating greek pig.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 YOU ARE TOTALY IDIOT WITHOUT EDUCATION WITHOUT KNOWELEDGE!!!! GREAT ALEXANDER SPOOKES AND WROTE AEOLIC WITH DORIC ELEMENTS NOT YOUR SLAVOBULGARIAN LANGUAGE READ AND LEARN MONKEYYYYY!!!!!U S A SLAVE KNOWELEDGE IS THE POWER AND YOU DONT HAVE IT PISS OF READ AND LEARN!!!!!
myking73 2 months ago 4
The first school inTurkish language in fyrom was opened in 1944.As of 2008 there were over 60 schools that offered lessons in Turkish.Turks have the right of education in Turkish for four years inEast fyrom.There are 264 teachers in these schools.There is a lycee inGostivar and a technical college in Tetovo where students are trained inTurkish. Few quota is spared for Turkish students at universities in Skopje and Bitola.There are also private Turkish schools byTurkish entrepreneurs
FYROMSKI 2 months ago 2
@pselus1 good be proud..you say 1821 is ancient time but one hundred years ago its not ........lol..you talk about turks because your country never did something..lol very pathetic.albanians here are more than there but greeks also are more..not 50-50 like you..so the problem is yours,,as far as turks,cyprus was planned by usa of course,they attacked 1 million people and did killings and greece never took part in this..thats why cyprus citizens have complains from greece..IT HAD TO HAPPEN
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 I talk about Turks because they fuck Greece all the time,and you know that very well,don't tell me stories. and they will fuck you in the future more.And I hate Greece,so I like Turks.And Turks are the best friends to Macedonia.Now I will tell you,like to all others Greeks,show to the Turks your flag,and they will give you a bullet.
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 you seem like a pussy which is afraid os greeks very much,,thats why you support turks...lol..the fact that you hate us doesnt mean that you have to say bullshit all the time...history prooved that greeks know how to survive from enemy and especially turks...be a man first,and then talk abour your fake nation..leave turks,,,we can handle it thanx!!
socrates6068 2 months ago
@socrates6068 Not we,Turks support us.And how you will handel with us at first.Macedonia is real country 20 years and you didn't nothing about that.Riding your comments,man can think all this shame about Merkel and greek beggaring is fatamorgana -you are the richest,the most powerful in the world,you haven't anarchists,you haven't demonstrations,Cyprus is allyours,you have your Asia Minor and a lot of Greeks live there.Is it true?Is it true?
pselus1 2 months ago
@pselus1 1)with you?you are not considered as a problem...2)your country is vardarska as i said and usa support you because they will built there one of the largest military bases..3)what shame about merkel?you try to make me feel asshame of something?merkel is the biggest canser in all countries.they create problems to greece,now to italy,ireland,france..this is global.dont make me write the same things all the time..read some real news from internet like all normal people..forget tv..4)i have
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 the richest country only in balkans,,with very powerfull army technological and by quality..these are no anarchists but provokers who try to ctush every healthy demonstration against nwo and german s dictatory..also i have a beautifull country with lots of islands,seas,mountains,history like macedonians and we will not give that to anyone especially slav tatars..you re talking all time about turks,,,turks lost the war we are free for years now and this hurts you..you re a country mixed
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 with no name,no history,no power,no success in every area like economy,military,education,you have problems with albanians,you try to claim macedonia area for political reasons because you afraid albanians,you are pure bulgarian people with slavic and bulgarian alphabet,and you are desperate to "create" somtething to put you out of this misery...and you do hapilly blowjobs to americans for that reasons.."a nation that even albanians laugh with,being feed from greece and has an army
socrates6068 2 months ago 5
@pselus1 given from bulgaria and greece"...albanians population is the same with you and soon they will claim your area..this is true...
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 who do you think the Turks will help ,
you brain dead Bulgarians or there Muslim cousins the Albos .
the TRUTH is your enemy ,,,, NOT GREECE !!!
FYROMSKI 2 months ago 19
haha greece will burn in hell. myth country.
Kire931 2 months ago
@Kire931
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World", Princeton Univ Press, December 1995
GemistusPletho 2 months ago
@Kire931
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
GemistusPletho 2 months ago 3
@Kire931
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
GemistusPletho 2 months ago 2
@Kire931
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999
GemistusPletho 2 months ago 2
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@pselus1 1953 Census= 203,938 Turks living in FYROM, 15.63% of total population
LOL,,, you are more Turk then you think FYROMONKEYS !!!
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
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@pselus1 fyrom came under the rule of the OttomanTurks in 1392,remaining part of the Ottoman Empire for more than 500 years up to1912 and the Balkan wars.Once the Ottoman Empire fell at the beginning of the 20th century,many of the Turks fled to Turkey.Many left under Yugoslav rule,and more left after World War II. Others intermarried or simply identified themselves as Monkeydonians or Albanians to avoid stigma and persecution,,,,,,,oooops you are turkadonians !!!
FYROMSKI 2 months ago
@pselus1 FROM BIG POWERS...lol..1821 until 1836 we were fucking turks one by one with very low numbers of soldiers,,dont try to underestimate greeks,,look to your back,you re 50 times worst even now than greece..at list we took our lands back,,your wannabe nation does neither have a name,history,army,culture,education!!dont speak fro turks,you re not a turk!!turks know what greeks mean 1 greek=6 turks,,1 greek=laught with 2 million slav tatars
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 diplomatic relations with you because turkey was and is an enemy of greece and the reason that they didnt do war until now with greece is because they cannot...thats why greece spends 10 billions per year for army,,,go see statistics about greece and turkey for example in 2000 or 2004,,,before few years and stop propaganda."THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND"...thats why turkey support you!!only gipsys you said bankruot...what the fuck are you a child???country which bankrupted most
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 times in GERMANY idiot,,,this is capitalism!!!whats started from greece and portugal and ireland will continue because germans want to take controll of whole europe!!UK POLITICIANS SAID THAT and everybody knows that.greece is economic and defence power for 40 years now..since 1965...lol learn the basics,,and now our goverment stole all money and put them in swish banks and whore merkel want to buy gold from ere,oil,gas with low low price..turkey is superpower ahahahhhahaah lol...
socrates6068 2 months ago
@pselus1 turkey is not a superpower this is diplomacy...americans need them because they are in good position geografically and they make them look like "ohhhhhhhhhhh"...everybody knows that even now level of life and economy of citizens there is crap..even now their salary is worst than ours..its the half of nowdays greek salary..i dont say we are in good position now,,but be serious...omg
socrates6068 2 months ago
Έσκασε η μάπα του παρουσιαστή! Σαν παιδάκι είναι που του λένε για πρώτη φορά ότι δεν υπάρχει Αγιος Βασίλης!!!!
jimrovisson 3 months ago
Do you know that all international organisations of human rights, the report of the UN independent expert mrs. Gay McDougal, the European court of justice & the Resolution of the Council of Europe say that Greece make discrimination & nationalistic politic against the nongreeks & should recognise the Macedonian nation, language, minority & to back the confiscated citizenships & lands of the exiled ethnic Macedonians! :)
wildboymk 3 months ago
@wildboymk
That;'s all you facists have. Crocodile tears of persecution. You don't have a historical leg to stand on. Your POS apologists are clearly Greek haters that now pretend they don't remember what your politicians used to claim about their identity only a few years ago.
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999
GemistusPletho 3 months ago
@GemistusPletho Why?Because he spoke that what you like to hear?!:)hahahah Well he is corrupted and did many criminals when he was primeminister:)He is even with psychical problems,he go to a psichiatrist often. And he is a politician and not a historian and that what you learn history from politicians speaks enough for you!By the way, look and his antigreek statements like that 1990what he expect that the second congress of his party VMRO-DPMNE to be in the next capital of R. Macedonia-Salonica
wildboymk 3 months ago
@wildboymk
You are only lying to yourselves (and unfairly blaming Greeks because of crimes of Yugoslav communists)
"The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians." - US Anthropologist Loring Danforth, "The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World"
GemistusPletho 3 months ago
@wildboymk
"The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one." - Eugene N. Borza
GemistusPletho 3 months ago 2
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"On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized the “Republic of Macedonia.” This action not only abrogated geographic and historic fact, but it also has unleashed a dangerous epidemic of historical revisionism, of which the most obvious symptom is the misappropriation by the government in Skopje of the most famous of Macedonians, Alexander the Great. "
macedonia-evidence(dot)org/obama-letter.html
GemistusPletho 3 months ago
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@wildboymk It is obvious that you refuse to see facts and believe what you want to believe...
MrM0dulator 3 months ago
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Ljubčo Georgievski is not an historian, scientist or without criminal past & report. So all of you who take him as an argument prove that you are not serious & it is not a poing to talk with you! Any other (corrupted) politician?!
wildboymk 3 months ago
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wildboymk 3 months ago
Љубчо војвода на Македонија!
pselus1 4 months ago
@pselus1 sus bre kopile
bajdurac 4 months ago
@bajdurac Da ti ebi pes krastav pickata od majka ti!Gjuptin da ti ebi majkata da daj bog!
pselus1 4 months ago
@pselus1 ebave bugarite ebave... tolku ste glupi sto ne znaes koga ce vi kaze covek TISHINA deka treba da moclis. zatoa uste ednas ti kazuvam: TISHINA BRE KOPILE!
bajdurac 4 months ago
@bajdurac Да ми пушиш куров и ти и тие што те воспитале!Што бараш на видеото ако не ти се допаѓа!
pselus1 3 months ago
@pselus1 za da kazam da cutis, ebate gomnoto nikakvo. ustvari sestra ti da ja ebam
bajdurac 3 months ago
@bajdurac e pak ja zgresi ebati baksuzot ebati, jas nemam sestra-a ti izgleda imas,pa da ti ebam gazot od sestra ti.a jas ke kutam ama da ebam majka ti prvo.
pselus1 3 months ago
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fuck you all and see this watch?v=y89vfNpxbW0&feature !!!!!!!!!
MrShawnmichaels619 4 months ago
Macedonians i want a tell you one thing :You cant live in this big lie F.Y.R.O.M. forever and talk to the world these bulshits about history when only you belive on this history books there in F.Y.R.O.M.
Sniperrrista 4 months ago
Ljubco Georgievski should be assassinated, and he would be as well if he wasn't hiding in Bulgaria and given protection, he has a Bulgarian (E.U) passport now. Ljubco just hang yourself buddy before the Macedonian people get their hangs on u......look up Rope tying techniques on YouTube and shut yourself up.
onroidz 4 months ago
@onroidz Thats right he have bulgarian passport coz he made a big criminals in macedonia and was hidding there to have protection
TheRaperMKD 4 months ago
@onroidz
Sure. Threatening your own former leaders with death for just talking (like a Nazi( is a sure sign you are on weak moral footing. Why do you hide your ethnic Bulgarian roots Nazi-boy?
Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?
GemistusPletho 4 months ago in playlist FYROM'S LIES & PROPAGANDA (FUNNY STUFF THOUGH)
What the fuck u on about gypsy, u wish we were Nazi, if we are bulgarian then why did the Bulgarians rape the macedonian women and execute the freedom fighters......if i was you i would die in shame and embarrassment mate, go to the United nation and look up documentation of macedonian expelled from Northern Greece (cant hide true facts). Greeks acted more like Nazi's after WW2 and after the Greek civil war.....learn some history and go watch some spartan hellgayass movie, u softcock.
onroidz 4 months ago
while your at it just default with your shitty economy, u r the laughing stock of Europe and the World.....Republic of macedonia, might have a 10% economy in comparison to the Greek economy at least we r not feeding the Western Europeans with interest payments on our Bonds and Debt instruments....... u picked the wrong person to fuck with asswipe.....go read a book and increase your IQ. and don't waste my time u Greek Nationalist, look what the Nationalist did to Serbia, small n slim
onroidz 4 months ago
I never personally claimed to be a decendent of Alexander the Great, i don't personally think the modern day Macedonians slavic tribes are the true decedents from Alexander the Great, the slavs mixed with the native macedonian. But u r kidding your self if u think Greeks r the true decedents of Macedonians, over 1million Greeks came in a Greek exchange from Asians minor and Bulgaria, study your history. The Native Macedonians were Hellenised (it was a regilion), just like Christianity now
onroidz 4 months ago
@onroidz I STUDY MY HISTORY END THE NATIVES MAKEDONIANS LIKE MY SELF END MY ANSESTORS THE ARE DECEDENTS OF THE ACHIENDS WERE COME THE SLAVS END OS FOR MAJICK THE BECOME MAKEDONIANS .ON THE OTHER HAND FOR NEARLY 150 YEARS NOW THE SLAVOBULGARIANS THE HAVE TRY TO BULGARISE THE MAKEDONIANS .AS FOR THE PEOPOL THE COME OF PONTOUS THE NEVER SAY THE ARE MAKEDONIANS MAKE YOUR FACTS REAL END DO NOT POST BULSHIT
DALAMYIAN 3 months ago
Yes Alexandrovski the great Yugoslav or was he the great Bulgarian.
These Slavs are deluded at best, and retarded at worst.
1st Slavs in Europe 600 ad, Alexander the great 350 bc, you do the math.
And that's only 1 point, there are many other point which prove who these impostors truly are.
futureman12345 5 months ago 12
imate za sve objasnjienje,ali nemate u vasu.....takozvanu Makedoskog jeziku,nazalost odgovor sta znaci Φίλ-ιππoς(prjatelji-konju) I Αλέξ-ανδρος,posto jednostavno je Grcke recenice.Mozda nasi predaki Filipa i Αleksadar,uzeli su ime iz....inostranstva,hahahaha,joj koliko ste smesni.
TheVoinik 5 months ago
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hahaha it is normal because Ljupcho is Bulgarian who live in Macedonia and him dream is to destroy Macedonia :-)
aabbvvggddggee 5 months ago
hahaha it is normal because Ljupcho is Bulgarian who live in Macedonia and him dream is to destroy Macedonia :-)
aabbvvggddggee 5 months ago
Obviously you have a poor grip on reality you tiny Bulgar-Slav children in the Vadar, the Kingdom of Μακεδονία , Provincia Macedoniae (Επαρχία Μακεδονίας),Dioecesis Macedoniae (Διοίκησις Μακεδονίας), Theme of Macedonia (θέμα Μακεδονίας) the Modern Macedonia (region), and the modern Μακεδονία in Greece and FYR Republika Makedonija (Република Македонија), are 7 completely different things.
Would you like me to explain? I am a historian and Classicist I can give you assistance.
thegreathistorian7 5 months ago
dushata da ti iznaebam ja na tebe
stephog1 5 months ago
BAD TRANSLATION YOU FAG
goltapanar 5 months ago
Vrati se Ljubco!Ljubco Vojvoda na Makedonija!
pselus1 5 months ago
MacedonSKI my arse...peasant-foools...= thieving-gypsys
FYROMustafa 5 months ago
One man in Macedonia who has a common sense Congratulations MR. Gruevski that you are not from those who are telling lies !
PatriotaIYI 6 months ago
Jedino koji ocu da kazem je bravo gospodine Ljubco Georgievski.Rekao si istinu....Anticka Makedonija je deo Grcke civilizacjie.Ajde prestanite propagandu komsjie.....
TheVoinik 6 months ago
They even have the balls of calling him Alexander of Macedonski....
Kasrith 6 months ago
the reporter has made him look like a traitor for telling the truth propaganda galore in skopia if you speak the truth your a traitor lol if you lie your the best lol
tisbales 6 months ago 16
Thank you Mrs. Georgievski at last a person who speaks the truth HELP US, SAVE US from those propagandists.
tor28gre 6 months ago
КАЖЕТЕ МУ НА ПРЕВЕДУВАЧОТ ДА ПРЕВЕДУВА УБАВО НА АНГЛИСКИ
6969blackheart 6 months ago
Dont you idiots think that Georgievski is paid by the bulgarians to do this? Dont you know how much money he have got for this? He's a traitor and he's the only macedonian thinking this way...
makedonec94 6 months ago
@makedonec94 FUCK OFF little brainwashed idiot
tor28gre 6 months ago
@makedonec94 to recognozide by balkan nations you must have 2.000 old history or more since you didnt have you inveted so in the name of your i dont know where you believe alah or jesus read un reports and books not fyromians and greek books but from historicans but you dont want to do that coz you only want to hear propagandas so do me a favor go read somme books peace
kaberisisidoros 6 months ago
Up until Tito you were Bulgarian Slavs. Under Tito = "Macedonian" slavs and true you are Slavs living a small area of the last REGION (there have been many eg roman) OF MACEDONIA to be applicable- the last Ottoman admin region , but MACEDON is different thing entirely and you cannot justify the claim of that name or symbols or history. Im afraid that is already taken by the people who are actually descendant in culture, language and heritage to them, the Hellenic people. Internet republic.
thegreathistorian7 6 months ago
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thegreathistorian7 6 months ago
The worst thing is not that you claim to be Makedonians but that u deny your slavic identity ,poor people typical ex yugoslavian attitude if we cant have it we steal it .
azi0n 6 months ago
"we have 100 years of clear history of the macedonian nation and identity"
"why do we have to start inventing stories that we are the first and oldest in the world???"
I can't say it better
LittleWarSnail 6 months ago
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boycotte1 7 months ago
[Richard Stoneman 'Alexander the Great', p.14]
"In favour of the GREEK IDENTITY of the ancient
macedonians is what we know of their
language; the place names, names
of the month,and many of their personal
names, especially royal names which
are GREEK IN ROOTS AND FORM,
this suggests that they did not merely
use Greek as a lingua franca, but spoke it
as natives (Though with a local accent..)"
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
[Eugene Borza N Borza (1995) 'Makedonika']
"The highlanders or Makedones of the mountainous
regions of Western Macedonia are derived
FROM NORTH-WESTERN GREEK STOCK."
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
[Bury and Meiggs (1985) "A History of Greece" p.415]
"The ancient Macedonian people and their
kings were of GREEK STOCK, as their traditions
and the scanty remains of their language combine
to testify."
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
@HaggisMacfee Cool story bro...now check the propaganda school books of the other Balkan countries :D
LittleWarSnail 6 months ago
[N G L Hammond (1986) 'A History of Greece to 332 BC, p. 651]
"Greece and Macedon were akin
in BLOOD AND CULTURE."
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
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[N G L Hammond (1992) "The Miracle that was Macedonia"p.206]
"As members of the GREEK RACE and
speakers of the GREEKLANGUAGE,
the ancient Macedonians shared the ability
to initiate ideas and create political forms."
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
So I suppose FYRoM was also a Turkish Pashaluk
since it was part of Turkey for 520 years.
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
Nation is not genetic but psichic category!Macedonia dont broke the international law but theFormerTurkishPashalukOfGreece,Macedonia dont have fascistic traditions but FTPOGreece(genocide,denie of minorities,change of the poppulation,confiscate of lands,goods,make the criminal activity if someone speak nongreek even at home and to force them to drink cartorian oil if at night greek policemans hear Macedonian word at the windows in the macedonian willages like in Metaxas time etc
wildboymk 7 months ago
The council of Europe bring resolution some years ago in which they all ask from the the Former Turkish Pashaluk Of Greece (FTPOG) to recognise the Macedonian nation, Mac.minority in aegean Macedonia, Mac. language & to give them minority rights & to stop the discrimination against the Macedonian minority about what the court of justice bring ajudgements what confirm this & to back the confiscated land & citizenships of exiled & kild Macedonians 1948 & before,confirmed by UN expert Gay McDougal
wildboymk 7 months ago
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HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
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"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION
between the ancient Macedonians of the time
of Alexander the Great who were related to
other HELLENIC [GREEK] tribes, and the
macedonians of today [FYROM] who are
of SLAVIC ORIGIN and related to BULGARIANS."
[David H. Levinson, 'Encyclopaedia of Ancient Cultures' p.239]
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
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"The significance of the term 'macedonian' has changed,
The modern country called 'republic of macedonia' is
populated primarily by people of SLAVIC ORIGIN. The original ancient region of Macedonia - in Greece- was
the land of a GREEK SPEAKING ancient ethnic group
called 'Macedonians' - the people of Alexander the Great."
[Dr. Orvill Boyd Jenkins, Anthropologist / Linguist]
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wildboymk 7 months ago
Newgreeks who live in Aegean Macedonia are collonists (630 000 collonised Greeks and other christians from Turkey in Aegean Macedonia and~900 000 in Thrace) in the confiscated lands of exiled muslim ethnic Macedonians in Turkey 1923 (~80 000) & ortodox ethnic Macedonians in Bulgaria 1919 (by public agreements) (~100 000) & aegean Macedonia in that Time was 1 million people (1912). the second genocide was in Metaxas time 1936 when Macedonian language was forbiden even at homes!The third 1948(NYT)
wildboymk 7 months ago
makedonec94 your best friend is from Sweden and doesnt know shit about Greek history
tuxedomoon 7 months ago
The people of FYROM change three identities in 100 years. They were Bulgarian, Yugoslavs and now all the sudden they think they are Macedonians and erecting 40 meter statue of Alexander. If you where real Macedonians you would allready knew that ancient Macedonians hence Greeks never use exaggeration in they culture . You do, and that proves that you have nothing common with Macedonians. Your actions seems that you are pure Slav history forgers. Lolski
mpoukoma 7 months ago
@mpoukoma Is it that what you heard from the noncanonic elected episcope of Salonica?!Or the things what newgreek politicians in the FormerTurkishPashalukOfGreece say?!The fact is that even byzantines writed(Lav Gakon etc.)about samyel`s kingdom "Macedonian land","areas of the Macedonians" etc. & the glasses & masks was found in the samyel`s fortres with the sun of Kutlesh(now renamed Vergina)ussed by Samyel who come from Armenia & there went Macedonian aristocracy after the 3rd Macedo-Roman war
wildboymk 7 months ago
IZDAJCO!! MAJKATI VO USTA DA JA EBAM!!
OD SEKOGAS I ZA SEKOGAS SI KODOSH KRV TI EBAM GNASEN!!
makedonec94 8 months ago
Hahaha why would we care about one macedonian that is stupid. I live in sweden and my best friend is greek and he admits that we are right. Hi knows that his import från turkey...
makedonec94 8 months ago
PREDAVNIK MAJKATA DA TI JA EBAM
raca4ever 8 months ago
Predavnik !!!!!! Ti si dobar Bugarin dobar Grk ali ne i dobar Makedonec !!!!!
risto01 8 months ago
i am macedonian and that is why i am greek!!!...not slav not bulgarian!!!
arisellasmakedonia 8 months ago
F.Y.R.O.VARDARSKA IS BULGARIA ..THEY ARE BULGARIANS..THEY SPEAK THEY WRITE LIKE BULGARIANS
andyrockevo 8 months ago
Dude , the Slavs settled in the Balkans really long ago , long after Alexander the Great and the Macedonian Empire was named Samoil's Empire. After that Macedonia was occupied by Vizantia... So learn the history.
TheOldGimly 9 months ago
This guy is a FUCKING BULGARIAN so nobody should thrust him cuz he's a retard ....
TheOldGimly 9 months ago
HOW CAN A NATION AS SAID BY Ljubco Georgievski THAT IT IS ONLY 100 YEARS OLD HAVE A CONNECTION WITH ALEXANDER THE GREAT?
WE ARE STEALING THE HISTORY FROM GREEKS , BULGARIAN, ALBANIANS HE SAYS!
gipas21 9 months ago
@gipas21 because Ljubco Georgievski is Bulgarian hi says all those thins in name of Bulgaria, not Makedonia
MarkoDoktor 9 months ago
@gipas21 Dude Macedonia as a country exists 100 years , but as a teritory and our history,civilisation became when Phillip made the Macedonian country so .........
TheOldGimly 9 months ago
@TheOldGimly
Ancient Macedonia as a territory and a civilisation
was Greek, and was - and still is - in Greek territory.
The Ancient Macedonians were Greeks and spoke Greek.
HaggisMacfee 8 months ago
@HaggisMacfee so called Greeks was never lived in aegeanMacedonia(before the collonisation of the greeks from Turkey1923)untill the genocide against the Macedonians 1913, 1923, 1936 &1948. 1913 was confirmed by the international Charniegie commision.Now the UN expert Mrs.Gay McDougal discovered discrimination,oppresion and propaganda against the Macedonian ethnic minority in aegean Macedonia!You are histeric extreemy nationalistic and chauvinistic society! You have nothing from the ancient glory
wildboymk 7 months ago
@wildboymk
Actually Greece's province of Macedonia which is
the home of the ancient Macedonians who were a Greek tribe
has ALWAYS been Greek ethnographic territory from
ancient times, that is, a region always inhabited by Greeks.
Since the capital of the ancient Macedonian kingdom is in
Vergina, it is obvious that Macedonia had Greek ethnic origins.
Secondly your republic RoM where your Slavic ancestors settled
in the 7th century AD was NEVER macedonia, it was Paeonia.
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
Macedonia was indeed an independent monarchy unlike the city states of Greece such as Athens, Sparta and Thebes.Their culture was similar to that of Thessaly another independent Greek state. They had a Greek culture and spoke a variant of Greek. The only reason that Greek was spoken in the Middle East & the new Testament was written initially in Greek was because Alexander the great introduced the Greek language and culture into his conquered territories. In fact most educated Jews spoke greek
Varangius 10 months ago 9
I'm Italian. Italians have stolen everything from the Greeks for ages & ages! Most of the Italian blood is really Greek, but do you see me getting upset about that & then they became known as Italians. If you live in America, you become American.
MYHOLLANDGIRL 10 months ago
I think you should start mime Slovenians! They are the only nation in Balkans that didn't try to make up a 3.000 years old history and they said "we make our best to make history NOW"
Peristerygr 11 months ago 9
@Peristerygr Noone try to make 3000 old history except Newgreeks in the Former Turkish Pashaluk Of Greece (FTPOG). Maybe because they are so unshure in their history and genes because they know that the biggest rappings from the Turks was in Pelopones so because of that Newgreeks are not white like Hellens but black like Turks because they got turkish DNA.iGenea confirm that from the Balcan nations,modern Macedonian nation is the most descentent of the ancient Macedonians & Newgreeks only 10%
wildboymk 7 months ago