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  • They basically have changed the text to fit with their view that Jesus Christ is a created being.

  • OMG... this is why this religion is soo scary!

  • what book and chapter is that from?

  • the word of GOD does not need to be changed for this new generation, if you don't understand some scriptures , that is what church is for, and we have computers to help. this whole suddenly changing of the bible, the word of GOD says not to change take away, or add, or all the curses in the bible will come upon you. here it is in revelation 33; 18 &19 read it and it will tell you what will happen to the ones that changes God's word.

  • yes there is something in the bible to not add anything .

    But there is in the bible also a encouraging that the reader should use spiritual discernment :

    so is Jesus in you ?

    or are you in Jesus?

    a man cant be in someone else can he ?

    no but he can be in union !

    please dont hesitate to use your understanding when reading the bible.

    if you study the bible intelligently it will bring you out of the dark ages.

    churches have for ages tried to hide the true meaning of this point.

  • @afterraincomessun why not go to your Kingdom Hall where the bible is like they say "religiously" studied and you will learn something. the bible does not contradict itself and the bible will explain itself. other verses can support the word "union".

  • hey buddy thanks for the vid. real helpful. what is the name of the greek and english Bible you were using in this vid to compare the jw bible?? thanks

  • Jehovahs witnesses DO BELIEVE that Jesus is the son of God. Do your homework before making false accusations. And what is this crap about a pyrimid money scheem ? I've been a Witness for years and i've NEVER been asked for money, not once. 

  • that only the book of revelations

  • you have to go even further than the greek translation and look at the hebrew and aramaic texts to see the original.

  • This same scripture in other translations also states that "Jesus lives in you" (NIV); also that he is "among" you (NLT); or "you people are in whom Jesus Christ Lives"(GWT). It's phraseology or semantics.

    Semantics are required That's why it's a translation.

    By combining these scriptures from the different translations, I know as an intelligent person, that Jesus is not actually inside me moving around, but that kind of literalness is what you are purporting people translate it as.

  • A little too shallow. his arguments are feeble.

  • i used 2 think the same thing "Thia911"when i was forced 2 sit through their meetings.u r so right.

  • C'mon,the Bible itself is a compilation of older texts with a lot left out that the 4th century church didn't like.If you wanna be authentic,dig deeper !

  • Something is really wrong when a religious organization has to produce it's own version of the Bible in order to justify it's doctrine. NWT totally contradicts the true message of both the Old and New Testament. Not to mention that the NWT was based on Johannes Greber's version of the Bible who was a spiritualist at the time and was open that he was instructed by spirits from the spirit world to aid him. Also, his wife was a medium. NWT is an obvious and clear unsound version based on lies.

  • you are correct, if this was a verse from the old testament (excluding the small parts of Daniel written in Aramaic). though the verse used the name "Jesus Christ" whom first is introduced at the beginning of the New Testament, which is written entirely in koine Greek.

    if you really look at this translation of the Bible (which i have) you will find more than just one instance of such additions to make the translation fit particular theologies.

  • that scripture is Revelations 22:18- 19 but that is using the jehovahs witness bible. see what the King James Version states...

  • well for me i see the difference myself of NWT and KJV.Yes NWT changed a lot.

  • oh, I might as well say, since you are going to knock the JWs, KNOCK THE KJV and most translations. Since they have ADDED AND SUBTRACTED words and sometimes SENTENCES to and from the texts.

  • What a gross misrepresentation.

    Interlinear translations will ALWAYS be different from a regular translation. You can pick any English translation, and show where it differs from an interlinear reading. This is because interlinear translations oftentimes hide the full meaning of a passage due to their rigid literalness.

    To show that other translations have "altered" the meaning of "en umin," consider these translations of James 4:1.

  • King James Version:

    From whence come wars and fightings among you?

    English Standard Version:

    What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you?

    These and other translations do not say "in you," for that is impossible. The translators realize that, even the the literal Greek says "in you," that isn't exactly what the passage was saying. It wasn't saying that fights and wars were happening "in" those Christians.

  • Correct there are many adaptations within the NWT, Revelation speaks about not adding or taking away from the scrolls. But if you read that scripture is Jesus in you? Or are you in union with him?

  • First of all Revelation speaks of adding TO THAT PARTICULAR BOOK. Remember, the NT was not considered SCRIPTURE untill HUNDREDS of years after at time frame.

  • The Bible says the earth is flat.

    And that the sun revolves around the earth.

    And that humans are made of dirt.

    And that snakes, donkeys, and bushes talk.

    And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.

    And you're worried about which VERSION to trust??

    Wow.

  • its dust, from dust you came and dust you shall return, an snakes talkin, NO the SERPENT had arms and legs it was a beast of the field not a snake, it only became a snake when foolish men got involved with the WORD, an it wasnt a bush talkin it was an ANGEL of the LORD speakin from the bush not the bush itself.. an what is the earth flat stuff where is that...

  • @marcustakedown1210 where do you base this from?

  • from the book of GEN.....WHERE ELSE THE SNAKE NOT TRUE, IT WAS A BEAST OF THE FIELD THAT DID THAT TO EVE...NOT A SNAKE LIKE TODAYS SNAKES ALREADY CRAWLING ON ITS BELLY...IT WENT ONTO ITS BELLY IT WASNT THERE BEFORE.....IM NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT PM ME AND WILL TALK ABOUT IT..

  • @Imaginefree69 You left out the unicorns and satyrs (which could talk) which thus far haven't made an appearance in the fossil record... lol

    Although I take your point... the very first page... which more than 80% of Christians haven't actaully read...destroys itself in seconds.

  • @MumblingMickey

    What do you call someone who has really read their Bible?

    An atheist!

  • There's an easy solution: be rational.

    God is a delusion. Period.

  • There are also consequences to those who teach these flawed translations.  Find it..I bet there is something in that bible somewhere.

  • I suppose it's better to translate 'en hymin' simply as 'in you'. But by itself the translation 'in union with you' does not come across as definitely wrong. Besides, if this has a word-for-word interlinear translation on the facing page, it seems a bit harsh on the JWitnesses to accuse them of trying to foist a false Bible on the world!

  • Meh, the bible has always been one of those things that been mistranslated, taken out of context and had stuff added in. (Just look at the KJV). Hell the whole concept of the bible comes out a flawed human source, so something like this is nothing new.

  • Sirs if you were to ask ANY witness of Jehovah which translation they prefer, for sure it would be The New World However "ANY" witness will also tell you that they have multiple versions and USE THEM ALL.. In fact they are encouraged to read different versions all will tell you that they are basically the same EXCEPT that Most Others have taken Gods name out and replaced it with "LORD" over 7000 times - what indignity a book inspired by Jehovah yet all references of him changed thats just wrong.

  • One of the JWs worst offenses is changing the scripture about Noah int the New Testament that discusses the people who were about to be destroyed. Every other translation I have ever read says "they did not know" or some variation of that.

    The JW bible mysteriously says "They took no note" as though they could have known. This is done to say that Noah was going door to door AND building the ark.

    Wonderful. They like to change things.

  • The watchtower 'translation' of the bible was subject to an orchestrated systematic bias.

    Instead of the bible providing the doctrinal beliefs, it was the other way around, the doctrinal beliefs had inlfuenced the choice of words in the bible. Or in other words, reverse-engineered by the watchtower church. Taken collectively, the message of the bible becomes distorted into name-branding 'god' to to sabotage interfaith worship, and into a pyramid scheme obessesed with recruitment.

  • Actually Noah was a Preacher of Righteousness!

    So people DID have the opportunity to "know"

    And remember it had NEVER rained up to that point in time so Noah must have looked rather odd and out of place, People no doubt stopped by to see what was he up to and asked him questions. Wouldn't you have wanted to "know" what was this guy up to? Hense..They took no note or they did not know (or care) for men were marrying and women were being given in marriage and they took no note. Good day to you.

  • Point 1. The JW Bible is the ONLY bible that translates that scripture as "they took no note". Every other Bible in existence translates it as "they did not know". Look at Strong's to see the translation for yourself.

    Point 2. To be fair, everyone on earth should have had the opportunity to hear about this. Everyone on the entire earth had a fair chance, many of whom lived hundreds and hundreds of miles away?

  • Continued: There's no way that everybody on earth was able to hear the "message" and Noah had time to build the ark at the same time.

  • I agree that everybody should have been given a chance PERHAPS they DID. Why do I say That? Remember at that time Nephilim were all over the place now These "Hybrid" - Angel/Human offspring were Very wicked and Mean. Also Of all the Humans The Inclinations of their hearts was only bad all the time. thus a cleansing took place. Hey it happened and it is foretold that it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN all the witnesses are doing is warning people that's all it's up to each individual to examine for themselves

  • Nice video!

  • The Bible text designated YLT is from the 1898 Young's Literal Translation by Robert Young who also compiled Young's Analytical Concordance. This is an extremely literal translation that attempts to preserve the tense and word usage as found in the original Greek and Hebrew writings.

  • "above taken from xxxx source, check it out"

    An important thing to remember when 'checking sources out' is this particular man-made organisation HQ in america maintains a very large repository of 'quotable sources' and has had a long history of quoting authorities out of context 'for god'

    In so doing, it had created elitism and increased differences, divided humanity, demonised outsiders, and ultimately fed the expansionism now worth $1.7bn

    Check sources yes, but in their proper context

  • Take it easy. I don't want to argue. Im just saying that there are vids about this subject on YouTube. Obviously this is not the end of the story and not where id end mine.

  • hi nimz,er like the international word study dictionary ?????

  • Do you really want to go down this road? I think you will be shocked at what you find. There are a few good vids on youtube about it. Only look if you can accept the truth, real 'truth'. Don't listen too much to WTS propaganda.

  • The watchtower is beginning to lose its grip, due to this and many other skeletons in the closet surfacing, much to their embarrasment. It's a shame, the cohesion of the watchtower following was quite strong, but what's happening more now, the various watchtower churches outside america are departing from the standard watchtower framework and the way they worship. This trend is continuing, similar to what's happened with seventh day adventists from which the watchtower orginates in the 1800's

  • Such is life. The history of religion is a history of reformations. The Witnesses are no different, although they like to think so.

  • HI.. I have accidently deleted someone's text comment, it said something like "the wacthtower have indeed altered the bible, check it out with reputable bible scholars"

    Could whoever it was please repost it?

    Apologies

  • That was my comment Stephen. Don't worry about it, I think you summed it up there.

  • OK nimzo :-)

    There is a scholar (I think he's passed on now) who had been severely mis-quoted, I saw him speaking on camera in reference to 'a certain bible translation', where he commented on it being "so damned biased....especially the true diety of the son of god" I can't remember much more, I'm sorry.

    I think it might be a good idea if I post a video some time in future, showing some samples of this altered bible text, comparing these alterations with the original Hebrew and Greek.

  • Yes I will be able to find out the name of that scholar. I saw that clip on the video Witnesses of Jehovah. It is on YouTube somewhere. Apparently the WTS misrepresented him as supporting the NWT, when in fact - well he speaks for himself on the clip.

  • Hello Stephen. That Scholar's name was Manty (not sure on the spelling). I think you will find him mentioned on a YouTube video about the Witnesses and Johannes Greber, another scholar the WTS cite, who was a know spiritist.

  • If you look on this chaps site JKWWFI you will find a vid called Jehovah's Witnesses Faulty Bible. This has the clip where this scholar is interviewed.

  • A youtube search for "The Watchtower's Faulty Bible" found him straight away, he's speaking about 1 minute into the clip, that's him.

    Seing that clip kind of brings it home how the watchtower organisation is now gone way past its sell by date.

    Still, JW's are mostly harmless (except to themselves), they are a boon to humanity, i.e. stimulated advancements in medicine, provided great inspiration for marketing and advertising organisations, even understanding suicide bombers! Thank God :-)

  • This large world religious-related library resource maintained at watchtower HQ is an armoury of information, much of it is regarded in the world as an authority.

    The art of this belief-engineering is in the designing of memes for release. By selectively quoting tiny excerpts of those authorities out of context.

    Incidently, the inspiration for the translation of John 1:1 had came from a spiritualist church's rendering. At the same time in the early 20th century, j-w's had worshiped jesus.

  • This bible verse is just one example of countless 'tweaks' made in the translation, which as a whole, when put together- completely changes the message of the christian bible into a pyramid scheme with $1.8 billion estimated net assets at the top.

    Since the christian bible is regarded by many as an authority, the next step is selectively quote parts of 'bible' out of context to be taken literally. Any parts contradicting the twisted interpretation are proclaimed as only being 'figuarative'.

  • All over the world, more and more people each day are examining their bible translations against the Greek text and are starting to notice things about the translation.

    To support a belief that jesus is just only 'the angel michael' and not the full son of god, a certain bible translation had become tweaked. This was carried out in the 1940's (while nazi propaganda was in full swing) and took place using a carefully-engineered process of systematic bias on an entire organisation.

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