LOLOLOL. Hey whomever made this video, the aprt where she states :pre-christian and dates everything form the 1900 and so forth was extremely hilarious... ty for your job...
Its not wether or not god/jesus existed. We should debate how the romasn tempered with it to rule and manipulate...
@BeLogicalWillU I bought a Acharya S book The Horus Jesus connection as a former Christian and now a devoted Acharya S disciple wanted me to see how this book is by far the most scholarly and correct presentation on the truth about early Christianity. I agreed but wanted my friend to also carefully read some sites and other scholars (actually Acharya S has NO masters or Phd in anything) and I've been waiting for three months. It seems my friend ONLY wanted to talk Acharya S. Can u say CULT?
Jesus the living man must be a construct of humans! If Jesus was real and died, then why is Easter the celebration of his supposed death, always on a different day? Quote: In the early days of the Christian church, Easter was celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the first astronomical full moon after the vernal (spring) equinox. Over the course of history, beginning in 325 AD with the Council of Nicea" If he was real his death would be the same day every year! OK!
@thetruthgenie Uhhh... are you fuckin' serious? I hope you're trolling because that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. You realize that he died on preparation day for the Passover, right? And the Passover changes based on the vernal equinox like you said.
debunking zeitgeist claims does not automatically prove that your religious beliefs are true. not only do you have to have a good substantial proof that zeitgeist claims are wrong, which non of zeitgeist debunkers have, but you have to proof your beliefs to be true. instead of debunking others, try to reaffirm your own religious beliefs. that will do you good & perhaps it will strengthen your faith. :-)
9 minutes 40 seconds, the maker of this film twists what she was saying 1 minute previous, it's blatant & obvious just watch from the 8minute mark, & this video debunks itself. nice try though, everything until now was all based on things you can't prove either. i will have to look up the Krishna Virgin Mother thing.... that's the only thing i'm not 100% sure, that your Bull$#!ting us on.
man you are delusional and should accept the truth , jesus 's story is a copy with some little diferences but as a whole is the same as others . spiderman is also a tale or would you believe is true also , jajaja wake up man
For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
i´ve proofed many of murdocks claimings and i got to the conclusion that she is almost totally right. Indeed, my interpretation to the meaning of religion is quite different. Also i think, that the stars have an inner correlation, called archetypes.
i´ve proofed many of murdocks claimings and i got to the conclusion that she is almost totally right. Indeed, my interpretation to the meaning of religion is quite different. Also i think, that the stars have an inner correlation, called archetypes.
She's right though a lot of things where destroyed look into the ancient library of Alexandria that place got burned to the ground. And does anyone realize how many artifact where stolen from the Egyptian temples plus how many hidden stories the Vatican has locked up in its vaults there are a lot of mysteries out there and no one should be told not to investigate or challenge the established way of things. If this women is wrong than shes wrong but she makes a better illustration of information.
So I'm just guessing; by "debunking" the references/claims of ZEIT' part1, you want us to simply forget about the other parts/theories of the film. In other words, shut up and let your government do as they please. One thing that NO ONE and NO AMOUNT of debate can debunk is: The rich ARE getting richer and the poor (read middle class now) ARE getting poorer. But I guess if one believes in a
particular god then one's financial status in this life is unimportant. Send me YOUR money then...
Just answer my question, you fake, lieing, uneducated Christian fool. Why do your own filthy daughters venerate a SLUT goddes from Babylon named Ishtar, which was put into English as Easter ?? How SICK are you Christian freaks for making your own dumb ass daughters bow down to a Babylonian slut of sex and fertility, every time the month of April rolls around ? The earth "resurrects" from a dead cold winter season in the spring, cults have ALWAYS celebrated "resurrection" at that time.
@EducatedRebellion101 Rants like this accomplish nothing. Almost all celebrations had origins in things completely alien to our modern meaning and have undergone numerous transformations (like Ishtar).
Don't you get it? Faith is not dependent upon facts, history, philosophy or science. I wish more atheists understood this instead of indulging in arcane historical commentary that few care about and fewer read. I liked Stephen Gould's approach to religious belief.
A REALLY good book on this subject can be found on scribd and it is called The Secret Origins of the Bible. The author uses tons of different sources to prove the same thing as Acharya did.
@changingmyself Acharya probably copied him and reworded it. And is most likely considered rubbish by the scholars, historians, and archaeologists. But, whatever, keep on being a little fan of her works.
You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
I don't find the whole US government thing to be a problem. I'm not saying I believe her over you however, i do see her point...she's simply stating that the government did indeed say he was born on Dec. 25th and she recognized that it took 400 years for that date to finally be used...actually...i think she's agreeing with you loL!
Acharya S. is a lying propagandist, to spread historically inaccuracies and myths, which is dangerous to the education system, and it leads into historical dishonesty and disingenuous.
mix everything that's kind'of the same together because it was all stolen from India then expect me to think that it was on purpose all this time when it was merely the work of a caste to push the world forward instead of backwards until it came to certain realizations. Now we're going backwards. We don't need Jesus to redeem the darkness. We know the truth now of 4. 4 dimensions. 4 yugas. Now it's time for the whore-death bc that's how it goes down.
You should debate Acharya on facebook, she is as rediculous in person as she is in her videos. I am speaking from even from my Non-Christian view. She doesn't question the NWO, Illuminati or anyone who sets up false flag operations. She just think religion is always the problem yet when you debate her she acts like a fundamentalist herself..
Anybody who is aware of ancient history knows that these parallels do not flow with history. It's obvious that these Pagan and other religions influenced each other but Christianity was segregated from the influences of the existing religions including Judaism, is what makes Christianity unique, it's origin cannot be explained via conspiracy, outside influences, nor delusions, nor any reasons to start this "cult" other than the disciples saw Jesus risen from the dead.
Its has NEVER been about the mother being an actual "virgin" its about the the conception of the "God Son" being the result of a "Sexual Union" or not. Saying "she had more children so she wasn't a virgin" is absolutely pathetic.
Learn to spot rhetorical fallacies, its a great tool for debunking videos.
Watch on Google Video
"The Hidden Story of Jesus"
Of a Christian who travels the globe in search of comparisons of Jesus in other faiths.
Lol. I can't believe this woman has the nerve to (a) play terrible bible movies in the background that make Jesus look like a cupcake and (b) cite her own book as a source..
8:02 - I think you misunderstood what was meant here. Or maybe I misunderstood you...
The argument that is made says that Jesus is not born on 25 Dec. This would "debunk" him being a Sun God... generally speaking.
When she mentions the fact that Christians are taught that his birth date is on 25 Dec. I think she is referring to the idea that people *believe* his birth was on this day... and that the establishment wants people to believe that, over other dates.
Basically, what it boils down to is our "inherited regrettible flaws in our cognitive systems" from Homo Sapiens by Antonio Velez. What that states is due to your conditioning/programming, any information, regardless of authenticity, your brain will not only NOT allow you to process, but also make you refute such self evidence due to your desires, prejudges and interests. That is WHY these guys sound so very desperate in their commentary.
lolwut, you said a lot of words there. try saying even one word even related to the subject matter instead of throwing a lot of rhetoric then your own "opinion" on the emotions of the narrators voice... idiot... pure idiot...
These guys don't sound desperate, they sound ticked off.
Anyone nowadays who wants to make any kind of point can come up with a theory that has to do with our genetic programming. Our behavior as a species and why we behave are impossible to qualify, so a theory can just float around, unable to be proved or disproved. Then a person reads about it, likes what it does for him or her, and spews it everywhere.
polkaspotsss the point you made about man ruining the environment was only partially true. I agree that we as humans pollute our earth but the whole "global warming" issue is bogus. I recently read scientists found that mars, saturn and jupiter are all heating up as well, because of the sun. Its a pretty interesting read.
If your bible taught you to not do anything and sit around to wait for G-d to do it for you, I pity you.
Problems are bigger than global warming. Our natural resources are in serious decline. 30% of them are in landfills, and throwing toxic gases into the atmosphere--resulting in an increase in global lung disease. It's a pretty interesting read.
At this time, I'm going to assume you watched the Religion portion of Zeitgeist and decided to stop watching. Btw, there's a sequel. Watch it.
Zeitgeist is Theosophy, repackaged and delivered to the ignorant masses who eat it up because they don't know any better. Zeitgeist even quotes Blavatsky and Bailey in exact words, so it debunked itself.
That's the main misconception with people. The purpose of the movement is not to ostracize people like race, religion, and nations do. If you actually watched further than the religion part, or if you watched the activist orientation guide, you would know. It's not out to attack people, but to help people. To move things into another societal direction.
Again you are mistaken. I don't sit around waiting for G-d to answer the worlds problems, and I know there's more to the earths destruction than just "global warming". Yes I watched all of both films but what does that have to do with anything. Why are you pushing your views on someone who already knows what's going on. If you want to preach the venus project try posting comments on sites were people are zoning out to hollywood media coverage and try to enlighten those zombies instead.
I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend or preach. I was just trying to make the point that instead of wasting time debunking things, and coming up with more theories, we come up with how to change. Blaming people like Obama in the Obama deception doesn't help anything. We know something is fishy in politics, it always is. So the more important task at hand is not blaming someone, but doing something to change. That's all.
Possibly, but religious debate is really pointless. Fight all you want about the claims and counterclaims of Christianity, but it's important to note that in the first movie, Peter was just an exploring director.
Therefore, it bothers me very much when people call debunking the religion portion of the first film "Debunking the Zeitgeist Movement" because this has nothing to do with the movement in anyway whatsoever.
You seem quite eager to debate religion. In terms of a movement, I can think of several documentaries that would be better suited as a flagship than Zeigeist.
Just to be sure, we are talking about the Zeitgeist movement and not the first film, correct? The Venus Project and all? If you have a film or movement that involves getting rid of war, politics, and the disequilibrium of wealth, then by all means--the stage is yours.
"disequilibrium of wealth"? That sounds like a new word for an old concept. Maybe a little Rouge-tinted spin, perhaps? Anyways, I'd rather live with war than tyranny. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and all that... No, in terms of "movement" I thought you were referring to the truth movement or the end-the-fed movement. I'm not so interested in "progressive" projects as I am in restoring our constitutional republic. It's been broke, now we gotta fix it. Peace.
I love how you say peace, but persist in coming back to claim the lead in the argument. Your video link took half a second times zero to make me lose interest because the fact is, politicians don't solve anything, because they aren't students of sociology or oceanography or electrical engineering. They say things people want to hear.
Never mind the societal issues that exist in gov't, but it presents a linear system that our planet can no longer run on. The Venus Project remains on top.
I love how you think this is a pissing contest. I'm just trying to reach out to you, man. Though it's becoming more apparent that I've fallen victim to the rants of yet another lazy intellectual trolling these boards. Enjoy your cool-aid, Blockhead. And yes, even Peace to all the other blockheads out there reading this. I don't care anymore. I'm done here.
Okay okay, I admit that was an unnecessary comment and I apologize, but seriously, democratic/republican/government in general has and never will be the answer. I appreciate the reaching out, but the ideals of the Venus Project (even if you don't agree with it) just being familiar with the problems it sets out to eliminate brings us closer to a better world than muddling around with politics.
And to rub it, PEOPLE IN THIS GENERATION ARE GROWING UP WITHOUT WISDOM TEETH. It's conclusive proof that evolution is taking it's course. God didn't do that or place fossils under the earth to test your faith. It's not a coincidence. Open up your eyes, get mad, and let's get Project Venus started.
I have no wisdom teeth and I am 30. And my appendix was removed. All I have left of my junk DNA is my pinky toe...lol
On a serious note, I have always wondered if it was because of that. I happen to have a exceptional IQ and I am Naturally Talented at Music and Pretty much anything I see fit to spend Time and energy doing..
I don't really even practice and...well, Watch my vids and see what you think? Maybe I'm offspring of Annunaki. lol 5* On your Comment!
Doesn't it appear peculiar to you that all of the Zeitgeist debunkings on youtube are all focused on Religion? You don't see people posting videos about the fallacies of the accusations on the Federal Reserve System. I don't care if it makes you feel uncomfortable, force yourself to watch all of it, do society a favor, and LEARN SOMETHING, rather than believe everything you were raised around. Do something for yourself instead of waiting for GOD to do it.
I'm gonna say something you people need to listen to. Even though I believe God and jess do not exist, this was not the point of Zeitgeist. Whether you believe it or not, the debt of this country along with the rest of the world is perpetual. We will not get out of it because it is impossible to pay back interest rates that did not exist in the first place. Obama can't save us, God can't save us, we need to do it ourselves. Step outside of your comfort zone and watch ALL of Zeitgeist.
I've watched ALL OF IT too. Its full of garbage. The banking system runs the planet under the control of satan. After waching some of Alex Jones movies such as ENDGAME and the OBAMA DECEPTION, it is safe to say that these "elite" people want us all dead. Try as we might, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE OURSELVES. ONLY G-D CAN! And by thinking that by being part of their army will save you think again. THEY WILL KILL YOU, AFTER YOU KILL EVERYONE WHO WONT SUBMIT TO THEIR LAWS
No you didn't. Don't try to lie your way out of watching all of it. 1. The zeitgeist movement aims to boycotts the military and our gov't, not support it. Moreover, it's about the environment. God didn't cause all this damage, we did, therefore we must fix it ourselves.
It's about moving in another societal direction, not how we should govern the United States. Next time, please watch it, because your theory is full of crap.
All you people that blame this destruction and arbitrary control on some supernatural being, is the reason why all of us "conspiracy theorists" are viewed as wingnuts. Because you guys are just looking for people to blame, rather than looking at the real problem: the effect it's having on all of us humans thereof.
I have watched it and I'm probably as big of a conspiracy theorist as you are. One difference between us is that I study the Bible scriptures and find it amazing that its two thousand year old predictions are coming true. I am not part of any MAN-made church thats based on the Bible because I'm different than most people who blindly follow others personal interpretation of it. But in saying that I do believe it was divinely inspired by G-d because of its accuracy in its prophecies.
@cubstadon OT prophecies by Jewish Prophets were made for Jews but now it's "Jesus came for Gentiles" DESPITE Jesus's own words that he came for Jews! So Jews didn't get the prophecies but pagans did?
The biggest Biblical failure was Jesus' promise to return within "this generation" He said only the Father (not the Son) knows when. But aren't the Son & Father one? Any why can't folks with a "personal relationship with Jesus" figure him out? Oh well.
haha yea, she just debunked the last two parts of Zeiteist with that short comment she was stupid enough to come out with lmao - I think she thought we where just gonna take her word for what she says, haha 5*
Even Richard Dawkins who is probably the biggest Athiest in the world said that Jesus is a real historical figure. He went on to say that his morality was excellent and that he was a great teacher, which was why he wrote the book titled "Athiests For Jesus".
They pull the same stunt they condemn. Example, Mithras was a Persian/Aryan god. Zorastrian(3000 years old) scripture calls him "the Heavenly Light". He was also one of 12 Aryan high gods. Mithraism came to Rome in 75B.C. as a mystery religion. Archeaologically, much has been found on their rights and ceremonies and places of worship. These guys claim Mithra was a god on paper only. Dammit man, does any one tell the truth anymore?
As for your "Josephus work is altered" comment, there is no evidence to prove it. All skeptics say is that it was to positive of Jesus.(And if the skeptic arguement is your strongest one to suggest that his work was altered then your arguement is weak and it consists of speculation) . If you have evidence to prove it was altered please show it, for I have yet to look at any evidence that truly suggests that Josephus work was altered.
On Josephus, born 37AD,former governor of Galilee, a Pharisee, one of the leaders of the Jewish revolt(67-70AD), captured by the Romans and switched sides becoming a Roman citizen and changing his name and an devout Jew. It's a known fact that the entry is a forgery now based on all the evidence. Whole pages devoted to robbers,criminals and seditious leaders. Forty chapters to one king. Yet the most remarkable being that ever existed is dismissed with only 10 lines?
..cont..AND yes I know all these writers lived after Jesus,I dident say they dident.
I did a whole video on sources for Jesus outside the Bible. The point is they mention Christ, thus disproving the notion that Jesus is just in the Bible and wasn't a historical figure. This also helps omit some of the Historical Ignorance that videos like this are vomiting out,all for the sake of controversy and sales!
Nothing sells like religion,whether its true or false.
There are many references by outsiders to Achilles of Troy. Does that make him a real character? What you are displaying is ignorance of historical fact. Like I said earlier, I study history. You seem to just make information up out of the sky blue and then claim your statements to be true. The facts are there, you should open your eyes and see them. Not repeat the ramblings of other ignorant people. According to your theory, Achilles is a historical figure.
Secular Historians,and writers outside the Bible that mention Christ include Tacitus,Papias,Irenaeus,Suetonius ,
Phlegan ,Flavius Josephus the Talmuds, Pliny,Suetonius,Lucian of Samosata,Tertullian,Justin Martyr,Phlegon, Julius Africanus, Mara Bar-Serapion and the Jewish Talmuds.
All of these are 1st and 2nd historical Writers,recorders and Historians,from Jews, to Romans, Greeks, to Pagans, to Christians, and can easly be referanced.
PLEASE, get your history from HISTORIANS, not atheists
That is very funny indeed. Maybe you should study history before making false claims. Tacitus is disputed for good reason and Josephus is a forgery. The rest make absolutely no mention of Jesus or a man performing incredible miracles. Persius,Lucanus, Philo-Judaeus, Plutarch, Epictecus, Petronius, Quintius Curtius, Damis, Seneca, Justus of Tibrius, Silius Italicus, Dion Prueus, Lucian, Aulus Gellius, Pliny the Elder, Apollonius, Statius, Paterculus, Pausanias, Columella, Suetonius...cont'd
Ancient historians recorded legendary figures along with factual ones. Modern historians have to infer from the ancient texts what is true and what is not. And Jesus was not a famous figure and worthy of the contemporary historians until long after his death.
I understand him being famous, however, these historians lived during the time of Jesus so they should be the most reliable of all sources available to us. Tacitus hated the christians(I sent quotes from his 'Annals'), Lucian made fun of them(sent quotes from him also). Seutonius also disliked the christians and called them 'mischevous', so why christains use these men as references is beyond me. These would be the last persons to rely on as proof of Jesus.
Pliny the Younger, Ptolemy, Appian, Valerius Flaccus, Dio Chrysostom, Juvenal, Hermogones, Theon of Smyran, Florus Lucius, Lysias, Martial, Quintilian, Valerius Maximus, Phlegon(your claim LOL),Favorinus and more. Do NOT make false claims, especailly if you have read none of them. These are the historians that lived before during and after the time of Jesus and none make mention of him. I also do not appreciate being called "stupid". Now "PLEASE get your history from HISTORIANS".
Can you ling me some scholarly sources, like an academic book, that claims those ancient, non-Christian sources are false? And would you care to give me a link to any modern, academic historians (someone with an MA or better) who openly vouches for the works of DM Murdock?
I am not quite sure what you want as far as refernces. Then again, why does a person have to have a degree to have an understanding of simple things? There are many intelligent people who lack rational thought and/or perception, so a degree does not proove anything. I sent you a link to DM Murdock that someone else sent me. Sorry for invading but YouTube was down at the time. And what did you mean by "non-christian sources are false?"
One more thing Serpent, I am not an atheist nor am I a Theist. I am a "Truth Seeker" still in the midst of my journey. I educate myself to gain knowledge not really to argue with people. Most are too lazy to seek out the truth about things themselves and would rather simply believe what they are told. I call it "filtering knowledge to support a belief or a belief system". It's one reason I am not suprised that you claim things you have not truly researched yourself. It's commonplace.
Secondly, the use of the word 'Christ'(Greek)instead of "Yeshua"is a dead give away. Third, the writing style is different.Example, "she went with him" compared to "she accompanied him". Fourth,in his extant writings he specifically mentions he is not a Christian. For example his "Autobiography". Fifth, the lines appear smack dab in the middle of five paragraphs speaking of the crushing of the revolt of the Jews by Pilate.
Next, his works were known to the early church fathers and they make no reference to the so called entry until the time of Eusebius (4th century). And then there's Origen(185-253), an early church father who writes that Josephus did not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Not a likely statement if that passage existed at the time. The inconsistency was realized as early as 360AD in the writings of Ambrose who couldn't explain it away, though he tried. No scholar believes this entry to be legit
So because there was no reference to his work it means its not there? There is no reference to the Dead Sea Scrolls anywhere but their there. You say that the evidence for Jesus is not strong because it was written after his death but Origen wrote that statement way after Josephus death but you seem to accept that one because it agrees with what you say. It looks like a double standard to me. Besides if someone says this person would never do that, does it mean he wouldnt do it?
Why would there be a reference to the Dead Sea scrolls? They were texts written and hidden by the Essenes who banished themselves from the city. As for Origen, my point was that the so called insertion didn't exist at the time before the 4th century, not a belief in him. He had acces to the original writings, we only have copies of copies, one in aramaic and the other in Greek. The oldest being11th century, WELL after the fact.Double standard? Yeah right. You are reaching now.
Richard Dawkins said that Anthony Flew would always be an athiest but look at him now. You should see his interview with Lee Strobel.
Josephus
"so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned"
No one debates this passage and its accepted almost everywhere.
Well, you just ignored everthing else and almost all biblical scholars dispute the passage. Here's a test for you though using you're own bible. Tell me the story of jesus' resurection using the so called four eye witness statements. In fact only give me the last half to make it easier. Here are the verses. Matt 28,Mark16, Luke24 and Paul's 1Cor15:3-8. Do NOT leave out any single detail from any of them. Just list step by step who, what ,when and where. I will give you $1,000 if you can do it.
Oh and John 20-21 also. It's a fair challenge to any believer. No tricks involved. I want you to see it with your own eyes. Everyone who's ever told me it was easy never got back to me on it, why is that? Easy money for something you all believe wholeheartedly to be true and to disproove me, the heathen who doesn't know anything regarding Christ. I've studied the Hebrew and the Greek versions of the texts so I am pretty well versed. The challenge is right here before everyone so don't flake out.
Also, just because a fickle mind becomes a believer does not proove anything. Remember there was a time when millions believed the earth was flat. Why? Because the bilble said so. Even 300 years after they new it to be true the church still denied it.(Gallileo,Copernicus). So which person would you have been? The believer or the searcher of truth and facts?
Wow we start out with name calling? Ok then let's see. I'm assuming you don't speak Hebrew.
Daniel 4:10-11 The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. Deuteronomy 13:7, 28:64, I Samuel 2:10, and Job 28:24 more "end of the earth" passages. However...Isaiah 40:22 a circle of the earth with a tent above it. Circle is "khug" in Hebrew. Two dimensional on a surface. Examples are Job 26:10 and Proverbs 8:27...cont'd
Now the word in Hebrew that means sphere is "dur". Example:Isaiah 22:17-18
He will seize firm hold on you, and whirl you round and round, and throw you like a ball (dur). This is the word they would use if they believed the earth was spherical.
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." (Job 38:14)
take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it (Job 38:12-13)
an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
Psalm 24:2 He built it on the deep waters beneath the earth and laid its foundations in the ocean depths,"
According to the bilbe the earth is flat, circular, sits on pillars above water, is covered by a dome(which God sits above on his throne) and the firmament is held up by pillars(the mountains most likely).
Wikipedia is not reliable because anyone can write or edit the entries. However, why was Copernicus persecuted by the church because of his "scientific" explanation of the round earth? Why was Gallileo Galile imprisoned by the church until he denied the earth was round and circled the sun?
Did you know that the information on Wikipedia is 94% accurate? And since there is a total of 2,925,924 wikis, 175,555 of that information is false. Making it a grand total of 2,750,369 pages of factual information. Have faith in the general public. We have better things to do than to sit around a fuck with the learning process of others.
I will put my faith in fact not the public for the simple reason that many an atrocity has been the result of the ideologies of the general public ( witch burning, slavery, suppression of women, suicide bombing etc.). And of course the flat earth idea of which some in the general public still follow. Coincidentally, where did this information of yours come from? Wikipedia's website?
Agree. Any one who isnt ignorant of history, knows theres more historical documentation for Christ then for figures like Alexander the Great and Ceaser combined!
But no one makes movies saying they didient exist,because theres MONEY IN RELIGION...weither right or wrong.
People have a double standard when looking at evidence for Christ. When people see the evidence for Alexander even though it was written 400 years after his death, people accept it. When some people see the evidence for Jesus they dont accept it. Why? I dont know. I guess they just have the need to reject anything that points to Christ's real existence.
Although I do think some have exploited Jesus for money. (Some not all.) The real Christians are not about money.
Sorry, but you're just making that up. There are not over 30 secular references to Jesus. In fact, historians can not even locate one legitimate secular source for the existence of Jesus. Don't just repeat things others claim to be true. Josephus is the only one mentioned and his work was proven altered, plus he was born after the death of Jesus. There are absolutely NO Jewish references to Jesus. The synoptic gospels do not count(non secular). Stick to the facts not propaganda.
Im not making that up I have the sources. And if your going to use the standard of rejecting evidence because it was written after the death of Jesus then you also must reject all the evidence that there is for Alexander the Great, Socrates, and Plato. The first source for Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death. But if you accept this evidence than your a inconsistent hypocrite with a double-standard when looking at evidence for Jesus.
The problem is not Alexander or Plato or Socrates but the claims made by followers of Christ. Illiad and Odessy write of the city of Troy. We thought it was a fantasy until we found it. However, does that prove the story of Achilles to be true? I NEVER reject evidence, I search for it. What I reject are fantastic claims made by people who never take the time to search for the truth before claiming they have it.
You start out calling people ignorant of history then proceed to display ignorance of history. What the hell is that? Historical evidence for Jesus? Where? Who? What are their names? I can list the names of the historians who lived before, during and after the time of Jesus, and not one makes mention of a man who healed the sick, walked on water, fed thousands with a couple fish an loaves or of dead people walking around after his crucifixion and so on. Who's ignorant?
For starters,with regards to some sources that mention Jesus Christ and Christianity outside the Bible from 70AD and into 1st and 2nd century, theres
CorneliusTacitus ,Flavius ,Josephus,Plinius Secundus,Suetonius,Lucian of Samosata,Tertullian, Justin Martyr,Phlegon, Julius Africanus, Mara Bar-Serapion,Jewish Talmuds.
With regards to eye witness that the early Christians included in the Bible, theres 1st eye witnesses,Matthew and John and 2nd eye witnesses Luke and Mark.
Sorry my friend but none of those people wrote of Jesus. History/archaeology is what I study. Talmud is almost 1000 years after the fact. There were no eye witnesses. Paul is the earliest writing and he seems to know nothing about many aspects of Jesus' life. Mark came after that, then Matthew, Luke and John. These were written many decades after the fact and not by the apostles themselves. Justin Martyr an early father, quoted the Old Testament and the Apocrypha ONLY, around 150AD.
Matthew and John are 1st eye witness and Luke and Mark are 2nd eye witnesses. This is backed up two historical records confirming the writers of the gospels are the names ascribed to them:
The testimony of early writer and historian Papias in about 125 AD, refers to John as the writer of his gospel and then in 180AD, Irenaeus double confirms John,as well as Matthew of his,Mark of his as learned form Peter, and Luke from Paul.
...cont.. If you want to contest documented history,go ahead and beat your head against the wall.
But as in a court of law, if you argue that theses werent the writers,then the burden is on you to propose who really wrote them AND why were these name given to them IF there werent the writers?
Here is a history lesson for you. See the challenge I gave xFLASHx1? Let's test your 1st and 2nd eye witness acounts. See if they would hold up in a court of law. I offered $1,000 dollars if any one can do it. How about putting your money where your mouth is for a change?
This is Christian propaganda. Many years ago the Christians, and the Muslims, tore the great book apart that explains the truth about the
ancients before you. They have kept the truth from you to keep control.
The only reason this movie was even made is because Zeitgeist revealed the truth about the perversion of sun worship, crippling the Christian numbers.
Free yourself and embrace the consciousness of the world being connected as one.
SUNS OF GOD is delightfully convoluted, deliciously eccentric, and full of entertaining idiosyncratic peculiarities. It's a classic in the same wild and wooly genre as THE TWO BABYLONS, THE WORLDS SIXTEEN CRUCIFIED SAVIORS, and the two T.Lobsang Rampa romps THE THIRD EYE and MY TRIP TO VENUS. THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY, also by Acharya S, is definitely not to be missed! All of these books belong in every library for their wealth of kooky disinformation and precious conspiracy theories
That critique is irrelevant in that she doesn't provide much primary source evidence for her claims in that book, and she recognizes this. The Temple of Luxor is evidence enough for a miraculous conception etc BEFORE xianity.
However, all primary sources are addressed in later works, and all the sources used PREDATE xianity without fail. You clearly haven't read ANY of her books, as if you had you would know what I'm talking about.
i am trying to follow your logic here. so because she says its real, and gives no real evidence outside of her word and her own theories its real. and you cant disprove it because... she is the only person with the evidence? i mean if she herself has called in to question the person she is using to translate Egyptian, how am i to believe she isnt manipulating the pictures herself as much as she is claiming the Christians did. thats not a irrefutable case, that has holes in it.
You've distorted her work, and it is plain to see that you haven't read any of it.
'... gives no real evidence outside of her work'
That's a lie, or a product of ignorance. Acharya cites her claims meticulously, as well as including primary sources for each one. Ah, go over to my video 'Jesus Christ the Sun: A claim originating from theosophy', and read the comments section.
The discussion is concerning whether Isis was considered a virgin. I think it'll be evident which side has the evidence.
i beat if you went to a video claiming aliens have secret bases on earth and the people who are pro video will have a ton of "evidence". i see more then enough hole in Acharya theories to doubt her validity. I dont have to read her book because her material is all over the place, and most of it is sketchy to say the least. you dont see it that way, so we are at a in pass.
Well, if you're going to pass judgement, yes you do.
They seem sketchy because you haven't seen the evidence supporting them. Those who proclaim there is no evidence, haven't studied her work, nor have they taken the time to examine the religions of antiquity. Especially the Egyptian mythos.
As its been well documents in the debunking videos her opinions are not held by any credible source, and by no means are actually held anyone outside of a small fringe group of people who seem to have a agenda outside of just revealing the truth. her interpretation of the Lexor is not held by any and i many ANY credible source that I can find except for her and her the very uncredible so called sources.
Go back to the Luxor page, and review the sources she used. She debunks Carrier with the click of a finger, pointing out an extremely careless mistake in his translation. You've just stated a flat out LIE, as you have seen the page. Please don't attempt to discuss things you don't understand.
please dont attempt to understand history you clearly have a bias against. you adore her written as its clearly plain to see, so you are biased in this topic because you agree with what she has deduced even though what she has written has been written off by the authorities on the subjects of Egypt, Greece, and India. she is clearly making up history to fit her wild and fringe beliefs. you can call it a lie, but evidence points otherwise. stop mistaking opinions as historical facts.
She doesn't interpolate her works with any opinion. I needn't go into any details as such an attempt would seem futile - you haven't read one of her books.
the point is she is uncredable as a historian there for she can not be trusted and her fanciful made up stories are merely grasping as straws to fit a predetermined outcome.
All one has to do is read and study history to see that her so called myths are nothing more then forcing ancient myths and legends to fit a predetermined archetype. ya... I dont buy it, and clearly you do. enjoy the cool-aid.
Thats not true either. The inscription in the Temple of Luxor proves you wrong outright, yet you'll ignore that. Her books prove you wrong, outright, yet you'll also ignore that.
She cites primary sources for every contention, especially in regards to the Egyptian religion; which she has a 600 page book on. Which by the way cites modern day Egyptologists, Astronomers and Historians in the relevant fields of studies.
Again, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
two separate accounts in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, and one passage in Tacitus' Annals, Book 15 provide evidence that a historical Jesus existed.
Though both sources were added to by later Christian scholars, they did have original references to a preacher named Jesus, who has a brother names James, who was executed after a period of preaching around Galilee.
LOL. Ok, then. Tacitus' annals has been proven to be a forgery since before you were even born, the spuriourity of such a testimony is so high, that it is ridiculous to even dare proclaim its attestation for Jesus' existence. The same can be said for Josephus.
In Suns of God, Acharya cites primary sources in regards to buddhism and Hinduism's parallels to xianity, and in Christ in Egypt, she dedicates 600 pages to verifying the claims regarding Egyptology.
and I dont have to take these guys' words for it. '
all I need to do is look up the claims myself and find that many scholars and sources flat out disprove Ms. Murdock. She quotes endlessly from other sources.
and if the sources that disprove the christ conspiracy are "in on the conspiracy" to cover up the connections, and are "suppressing the truth" well then lets just believe anything we want.
No, they're not 'in on the conspiracy', there isn't a 'conspiracy' per se, it's more of information being 'swept under the rug' as it were.
The people who have 'disproved' her are the people who are yet to study her works, and they'll be the first to admit that. If you haven't even SEEN or STUDIED the evidence she provides, you're not in ANY position to comment.
I'm no atheist. However, this video doesn't debunk anything. In fact, they demonstrated their overwhelming ignorance on the subject when they criticized Budge in her source bibliography.
ALL of Acharya's claims are asserted with PRIMARY sources. Even in THE VERY BOOKLET they're 'rebuking'.
this video demonstrated that the person acharya s cites on Attis doesnt agree with her thesis. she does not present any primary sources in her response. and ithe idea that these things were never written down, yet she is somehow the only person to figure it out seems very hard to believe.
Id like her to refute some Roman primary sources during Jesus's time that clearly indicated that he existed
Dudekin, Acharya S quotes no primary sources in her books Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God. I'm pleased Chrostianity is in deep trouble, but one shoukld not stoop to the lows of Acharya to acheive this end.
when the government declared 25 December as the birth-date of Jesus, believers did nothing to protest or stop it (why didn't you stop it if you know for a FACT that it is not true), but when the ten commandments are removed from an official government office (separation of church and state), you were all up in arms. If you want your argument to hold water, you MUST protest the 25 dec birth-date official declaration. until then please don't use this as a debunking argument, makes you look bad.
The comments to this video are shameful; how these 'Debunkers' are claiming the moral high-ground, yet smearing and attacking the personality of a single female author and mother, I don't know. Why not read her books? Then the validity of her claims will become apparent.
You clearly have absolutely zero understanding of the topics you claim to know so much about. For refutations of the criticisms in 'The Christ Conspiracy', read 'Suns of God'. I would also advise the works of 'James Forlong'.
No, it doesn't. However if you were to observe the way Keithtruth and Chris White talk about Acharya, with some prior knowledge of Acharya's work, you'll notice how unfounded it is.
All the claims made in Zeigeist (part 1) are asserted through use of PRIMARY sources. The ones critiquing the claims are the ones who haven't researched the topic in any detail whatsoever. It's disgraceful that such people think they're an authority on A THING.
i know the voice of the guy in this channel does he have another one.
lxAgnosticxl 3 weeks ago
sadly, i was a believer in the zeitgeist cult, but now i'm a follower of Jesus.
Ignorance . . . is not bliss
God Bless
conraddoavil 3 months ago 3
peter joseph merola does not dislike the kkk
brahmbhattbhavna 10 months ago
LOLOLOL. Hey whomever made this video, the aprt where she states :pre-christian and dates everything form the 1900 and so forth was extremely hilarious... ty for your job...
Its not wether or not god/jesus existed. We should debate how the romasn tempered with it to rule and manipulate...
CrippledKnight 11 months ago
silly idiots who believe in twitgeist!
BeLogicalWillU 11 months ago
@BeLogicalWillU I bought a Acharya S book The Horus Jesus connection as a former Christian and now a devoted Acharya S disciple wanted me to see how this book is by far the most scholarly and correct presentation on the truth about early Christianity. I agreed but wanted my friend to also carefully read some sites and other scholars (actually Acharya S has NO masters or Phd in anything) and I've been waiting for three months. It seems my friend ONLY wanted to talk Acharya S. Can u say CULT?
boblackey1 5 months ago
@boblackey1 no doubt: Zeitgeist is a "cult for the stupid."
BeLogicalWillU 1 month ago
Jesus the living man must be a construct of humans! If Jesus was real and died, then why is Easter the celebration of his supposed death, always on a different day? Quote: In the early days of the Christian church, Easter was celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the first astronomical full moon after the vernal (spring) equinox. Over the course of history, beginning in 325 AD with the Council of Nicea" If he was real his death would be the same day every year! OK!
thetruthgenie 1 year ago
@thetruthgenie Uhhh... are you fuckin' serious? I hope you're trolling because that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. You realize that he died on preparation day for the Passover, right? And the Passover changes based on the vernal equinox like you said.
heartrocketblast 1 year ago
debunking zeitgeist claims does not automatically prove that your religious beliefs are true. not only do you have to have a good substantial proof that zeitgeist claims are wrong, which non of zeitgeist debunkers have, but you have to proof your beliefs to be true. instead of debunking others, try to reaffirm your own religious beliefs. that will do you good & perhaps it will strengthen your faith. :-)
VenusAsABoyFilms 1 year ago
9 minutes 40 seconds, the maker of this film twists what she was saying 1 minute previous, it's blatant & obvious just watch from the 8minute mark, & this video debunks itself. nice try though, everything until now was all based on things you can't prove either. i will have to look up the Krishna Virgin Mother thing.... that's the only thing i'm not 100% sure, that your Bull$#!ting us on.
Karmathejedi1701 1 year ago
man you are delusional and should accept the truth , jesus 's story is a copy with some little diferences but as a whole is the same as others . spiderman is also a tale or would you believe is true also , jajaja wake up man
doncalvito11 1 year ago
@doncalvito11 Perhaps the Bible and the Gospels were the 1st Hollywood script?
thetruthgenie 1 year ago
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
yllierutube 1 year ago
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i´ve proofed many of murdocks claimings and i got to the conclusion that she is almost totally right. Indeed, my interpretation to the meaning of religion is quite different. Also i think, that the stars have an inner correlation, called archetypes.
babevesen 1 year ago
i´ve proofed many of murdocks claimings and i got to the conclusion that she is almost totally right. Indeed, my interpretation to the meaning of religion is quite different. Also i think, that the stars have an inner correlation, called archetypes.
babevesen 1 year ago
She's right though a lot of things where destroyed look into the ancient library of Alexandria that place got burned to the ground. And does anyone realize how many artifact where stolen from the Egyptian temples plus how many hidden stories the Vatican has locked up in its vaults there are a lot of mysteries out there and no one should be told not to investigate or challenge the established way of things. If this women is wrong than shes wrong but she makes a better illustration of information.
rosekiller123 1 year ago
So I'm just guessing; by "debunking" the references/claims of ZEIT' part1, you want us to simply forget about the other parts/theories of the film. In other words, shut up and let your government do as they please. One thing that NO ONE and NO AMOUNT of debate can debunk is: The rich ARE getting richer and the poor (read middle class now) ARE getting poorer. But I guess if one believes in a
particular god then one's financial status in this life is unimportant. Send me YOUR money then...
johnkarliss1 1 year ago
Just answer my question, you fake, lieing, uneducated Christian fool. Why do your own filthy daughters venerate a SLUT goddes from Babylon named Ishtar, which was put into English as Easter ?? How SICK are you Christian freaks for making your own dumb ass daughters bow down to a Babylonian slut of sex and fertility, every time the month of April rolls around ? The earth "resurrects" from a dead cold winter season in the spring, cults have ALWAYS celebrated "resurrection" at that time.
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 Rants like this accomplish nothing. Almost all celebrations had origins in things completely alien to our modern meaning and have undergone numerous transformations (like Ishtar).
Don't you get it? Faith is not dependent upon facts, history, philosophy or science. I wish more atheists understood this instead of indulging in arcane historical commentary that few care about and fewer read. I liked Stephen Gould's approach to religious belief.
smb12321 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 EPIC FAIL
PraiseOurLord1 1 year ago
A REALLY good book on this subject can be found on scribd and it is called The Secret Origins of the Bible. The author uses tons of different sources to prove the same thing as Acharya did.
changingmyself 1 year ago
@changingmyself Acharya probably copied him and reworded it. And is most likely considered rubbish by the scholars, historians, and archaeologists. But, whatever, keep on being a little fan of her works.
MathematiclObjection 1 year ago
You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 jeez. lay off the copy and paste..
MaDuke 1 year ago
I don't find the whole US government thing to be a problem. I'm not saying I believe her over you however, i do see her point...she's simply stating that the government did indeed say he was born on Dec. 25th and she recognized that it took 400 years for that date to finally be used...actually...i think she's agreeing with you loL!
Poonard 1 year ago
Acharya S. is a lying propagandist, to spread historically inaccuracies and myths, which is dangerous to the education system, and it leads into historical dishonesty and disingenuous.
rifleblaster 1 year ago
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@rifleblaster LOL. Perfect description there. 30 seconds on Wikipedia or Google debunks her nonsense completely.
759009946576 1 year ago
mix everything that's kind'of the same together because it was all stolen from India then expect me to think that it was on purpose all this time when it was merely the work of a caste to push the world forward instead of backwards until it came to certain realizations. Now we're going backwards. We don't need Jesus to redeem the darkness. We know the truth now of 4. 4 dimensions. 4 yugas. Now it's time for the whore-death bc that's how it goes down.
returnoftheramble 1 year ago
You should debate Acharya on facebook, she is as rediculous in person as she is in her videos. I am speaking from even from my Non-Christian view. She doesn't question the NWO, Illuminati or anyone who sets up false flag operations. She just think religion is always the problem yet when you debate her she acts like a fundamentalist herself..
gentlemen151 1 year ago
Anybody who is aware of ancient history knows that these parallels do not flow with history. It's obvious that these Pagan and other religions influenced each other but Christianity was segregated from the influences of the existing religions including Judaism, is what makes Christianity unique, it's origin cannot be explained via conspiracy, outside influences, nor delusions, nor any reasons to start this "cult" other than the disciples saw Jesus risen from the dead.
4IDHero 1 year ago
You successfully "debunk + expose" nothing.
YnoT0207 1 year ago
Its has NEVER been about the mother being an actual "virgin" its about the the conception of the "God Son" being the result of a "Sexual Union" or not. Saying "she had more children so she wasn't a virgin" is absolutely pathetic.
Learn to spot rhetorical fallacies, its a great tool for debunking videos.
Watch on Google Video
"The Hidden Story of Jesus"
Of a Christian who travels the globe in search of comparisons of Jesus in other faiths.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
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vinzer72frie 1 year ago
i was a christian before i watched zeitgeist ha!
micap20078 2 years ago
Acharya is a retard!
92BKing 2 years ago
Lol. I can't believe this woman has the nerve to (a) play terrible bible movies in the background that make Jesus look like a cupcake and (b) cite her own book as a source..
soccermaster25 2 years ago
Acharya or acharia or acarian?
SonofJaphet 2 years ago
lol Acharya sounds both retarded and drunk when you slow her down.
aaronk1994 2 years ago
8:02 - I think you misunderstood what was meant here. Or maybe I misunderstood you...
The argument that is made says that Jesus is not born on 25 Dec. This would "debunk" him being a Sun God... generally speaking.
When she mentions the fact that Christians are taught that his birth date is on 25 Dec. I think she is referring to the idea that people *believe* his birth was on this day... and that the establishment wants people to believe that, over other dates.
That's my view on that point.
JonSchaffer57 2 years ago
This guy must have some reigion enterprise.....better go to work instead of say things you ignore indeed..
777asmodeus 2 years ago
This my friend is what we call pwnage.
aaronk1994 2 years ago 6
There are absolutely no primary sources in regards to the actual existence of jesus, or the virgin mary.
PonguigPeopinn 2 years ago
2:08
existed before christianity quote from debunker
jesusramones1 2 years ago
Fuck every kind of religion.
SepticGraves 2 years ago
Basically, what it boils down to is our "inherited regrettible flaws in our cognitive systems" from Homo Sapiens by Antonio Velez. What that states is due to your conditioning/programming, any information, regardless of authenticity, your brain will not only NOT allow you to process, but also make you refute such self evidence due to your desires, prejudges and interests. That is WHY these guys sound so very desperate in their commentary.
biggin24s 2 years ago
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WtfMage 2 years ago
lolwut, you said a lot of words there. try saying even one word even related to the subject matter instead of throwing a lot of rhetoric then your own "opinion" on the emotions of the narrators voice... idiot... pure idiot...
StarSedition 2 years ago 2
@biggin24s
These guys don't sound desperate, they sound ticked off.
Anyone nowadays who wants to make any kind of point can come up with a theory that has to do with our genetic programming. Our behavior as a species and why we behave are impossible to qualify, so a theory can just float around, unable to be proved or disproved. Then a person reads about it, likes what it does for him or her, and spews it everywhere.
soccermaster25 2 years ago
Want to get the shock of your life ? Check out zodiactruthdotcom clearly shows the zodiac savoir story !
TheBoopski 2 years ago
polkaspotsss the point you made about man ruining the environment was only partially true. I agree that we as humans pollute our earth but the whole "global warming" issue is bogus. I recently read scientists found that mars, saturn and jupiter are all heating up as well, because of the sun. Its a pretty interesting read.
cubstadon 2 years ago 2
If your bible taught you to not do anything and sit around to wait for G-d to do it for you, I pity you.
Problems are bigger than global warming. Our natural resources are in serious decline. 30% of them are in landfills, and throwing toxic gases into the atmosphere--resulting in an increase in global lung disease. It's a pretty interesting read.
At this time, I'm going to assume you watched the Religion portion of Zeitgeist and decided to stop watching. Btw, there's a sequel. Watch it.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
Zeitgeist is Theosophy, repackaged and delivered to the ignorant masses who eat it up because they don't know any better. Zeitgeist even quotes Blavatsky and Bailey in exact words, so it debunked itself.
dfrankl4 2 years ago 18
That's the main misconception with people. The purpose of the movement is not to ostracize people like race, religion, and nations do. If you actually watched further than the religion part, or if you watched the activist orientation guide, you would know. It's not out to attack people, but to help people. To move things into another societal direction.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
Again you are mistaken. I don't sit around waiting for G-d to answer the worlds problems, and I know there's more to the earths destruction than just "global warming". Yes I watched all of both films but what does that have to do with anything. Why are you pushing your views on someone who already knows what's going on. If you want to preach the venus project try posting comments on sites were people are zoning out to hollywood media coverage and try to enlighten those zombies instead.
cubstadon 2 years ago
I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend or preach. I was just trying to make the point that instead of wasting time debunking things, and coming up with more theories, we come up with how to change. Blaming people like Obama in the Obama deception doesn't help anything. We know something is fishy in politics, it always is. So the more important task at hand is not blaming someone, but doing something to change. That's all.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
Peace.
cubstadon 2 years ago
SInce when is it a waste of time to debunk things? You're on a dangerous path, my friend.
AwesomeMullet69 1 year ago
Possibly, but religious debate is really pointless. Fight all you want about the claims and counterclaims of Christianity, but it's important to note that in the first movie, Peter was just an exploring director.
Therefore, it bothers me very much when people call debunking the religion portion of the first film "Debunking the Zeitgeist Movement" because this has nothing to do with the movement in anyway whatsoever.
polkaspotsss 1 year ago
You seem quite eager to debate religion. In terms of a movement, I can think of several documentaries that would be better suited as a flagship than Zeigeist.
AwesomeMullet69 1 year ago
Just to be sure, we are talking about the Zeitgeist movement and not the first film, correct? The Venus Project and all? If you have a film or movement that involves getting rid of war, politics, and the disequilibrium of wealth, then by all means--the stage is yours.
polkaspotsss 1 year ago
"disequilibrium of wealth"? That sounds like a new word for an old concept. Maybe a little Rouge-tinted spin, perhaps? Anyways, I'd rather live with war than tyranny. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" and all that... No, in terms of "movement" I thought you were referring to the truth movement or the end-the-fed movement. I'm not so interested in "progressive" projects as I am in restoring our constitutional republic. It's been broke, now we gotta fix it. Peace.
AwesomeMullet69 1 year ago
Whoa, and I'm headed in a dangerous path?
polkaspotsss 1 year ago
You're going to have explain that one.
Also, check out this vid:
/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw
Let me know what you think. Peace.
AwesomeMullet69 1 year ago
I love how you say peace, but persist in coming back to claim the lead in the argument. Your video link took half a second times zero to make me lose interest because the fact is, politicians don't solve anything, because they aren't students of sociology or oceanography or electrical engineering. They say things people want to hear.
Never mind the societal issues that exist in gov't, but it presents a linear system that our planet can no longer run on. The Venus Project remains on top.
polkaspotsss 1 year ago
I love how you think this is a pissing contest. I'm just trying to reach out to you, man. Though it's becoming more apparent that I've fallen victim to the rants of yet another lazy intellectual trolling these boards. Enjoy your cool-aid, Blockhead. And yes, even Peace to all the other blockheads out there reading this. I don't care anymore. I'm done here.
AwesomeMullet69 1 year ago
Okay okay, I admit that was an unnecessary comment and I apologize, but seriously, democratic/republican/government in general has and never will be the answer. I appreciate the reaching out, but the ideals of the Venus Project (even if you don't agree with it) just being familiar with the problems it sets out to eliminate brings us closer to a better world than muddling around with politics.
polkaspotsss 1 year ago
@AwesomeMullet69 greetings, links to those documentaries please...
THENISTIK760 1 year ago
And to rub it, PEOPLE IN THIS GENERATION ARE GROWING UP WITHOUT WISDOM TEETH. It's conclusive proof that evolution is taking it's course. God didn't do that or place fossils under the earth to test your faith. It's not a coincidence. Open up your eyes, get mad, and let's get Project Venus started.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
I have no wisdom teeth and I am 30. And my appendix was removed. All I have left of my junk DNA is my pinky toe...lol
On a serious note, I have always wondered if it was because of that. I happen to have a exceptional IQ and I am Naturally Talented at Music and Pretty much anything I see fit to spend Time and energy doing..
I don't really even practice and...well, Watch my vids and see what you think? Maybe I'm offspring of Annunaki. lol 5* On your Comment!
Very Interesting :)
highintel 2 years ago
i didnt have wisdom teeth.
LorcaAdonai 2 years ago
Doesn't it appear peculiar to you that all of the Zeitgeist debunkings on youtube are all focused on Religion? You don't see people posting videos about the fallacies of the accusations on the Federal Reserve System. I don't care if it makes you feel uncomfortable, force yourself to watch all of it, do society a favor, and LEARN SOMETHING, rather than believe everything you were raised around. Do something for yourself instead of waiting for GOD to do it.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
I'm gonna say something you people need to listen to. Even though I believe God and jess do not exist, this was not the point of Zeitgeist. Whether you believe it or not, the debt of this country along with the rest of the world is perpetual. We will not get out of it because it is impossible to pay back interest rates that did not exist in the first place. Obama can't save us, God can't save us, we need to do it ourselves. Step outside of your comfort zone and watch ALL of Zeitgeist.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
I have watched all of it, and it's full of inaccuracies. Now what?
kdogg2100 2 years ago
I've watched ALL OF IT too. Its full of garbage. The banking system runs the planet under the control of satan. After waching some of Alex Jones movies such as ENDGAME and the OBAMA DECEPTION, it is safe to say that these "elite" people want us all dead. Try as we might, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SAVE OURSELVES. ONLY G-D CAN! And by thinking that by being part of their army will save you think again. THEY WILL KILL YOU, AFTER YOU KILL EVERYONE WHO WONT SUBMIT TO THEIR LAWS
cubstadon 2 years ago
No you didn't. Don't try to lie your way out of watching all of it. 1. The zeitgeist movement aims to boycotts the military and our gov't, not support it. Moreover, it's about the environment. God didn't cause all this damage, we did, therefore we must fix it ourselves.
It's about moving in another societal direction, not how we should govern the United States. Next time, please watch it, because your theory is full of crap.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
All you people that blame this destruction and arbitrary control on some supernatural being, is the reason why all of us "conspiracy theorists" are viewed as wingnuts. Because you guys are just looking for people to blame, rather than looking at the real problem: the effect it's having on all of us humans thereof.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
I have watched it and I'm probably as big of a conspiracy theorist as you are. One difference between us is that I study the Bible scriptures and find it amazing that its two thousand year old predictions are coming true. I am not part of any MAN-made church thats based on the Bible because I'm different than most people who blindly follow others personal interpretation of it. But in saying that I do believe it was divinely inspired by G-d because of its accuracy in its prophecies.
cubstadon 2 years ago 2
@cubstadon OT prophecies by Jewish Prophets were made for Jews but now it's "Jesus came for Gentiles" DESPITE Jesus's own words that he came for Jews! So Jews didn't get the prophecies but pagans did?
The biggest Biblical failure was Jesus' promise to return within "this generation" He said only the Father (not the Son) knows when. But aren't the Son & Father one? Any why can't folks with a "personal relationship with Jesus" figure him out? Oh well.
smb12321 1 year ago
haha yea, she just debunked the last two parts of Zeiteist with that short comment she was stupid enough to come out with lmao - I think she thought we where just gonna take her word for what she says, haha 5*
UB40Music 2 years ago
Acharya S is a fucking moron.
zone1480 2 years ago
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Drewh313 2 years ago
Even Richard Dawkins who is probably the biggest Athiest in the world said that Jesus is a real historical figure. He went on to say that his morality was excellent and that he was a great teacher, which was why he wrote the book titled "Athiests For Jesus".
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
They pull the same stunt they condemn. Example, Mithras was a Persian/Aryan god. Zorastrian(3000 years old) scripture calls him "the Heavenly Light". He was also one of 12 Aryan high gods. Mithraism came to Rome in 75B.C. as a mystery religion. Archeaologically, much has been found on their rights and ceremonies and places of worship. These guys claim Mithra was a god on paper only. Dammit man, does any one tell the truth anymore?
autohckr 2 years ago
As for your "Josephus work is altered" comment, there is no evidence to prove it. All skeptics say is that it was to positive of Jesus.(And if the skeptic arguement is your strongest one to suggest that his work was altered then your arguement is weak and it consists of speculation) . If you have evidence to prove it was altered please show it, for I have yet to look at any evidence that truly suggests that Josephus work was altered.
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
On Josephus, born 37AD,former governor of Galilee, a Pharisee, one of the leaders of the Jewish revolt(67-70AD), captured by the Romans and switched sides becoming a Roman citizen and changing his name and an devout Jew. It's a known fact that the entry is a forgery now based on all the evidence. Whole pages devoted to robbers,criminals and seditious leaders. Forty chapters to one king. Yet the most remarkable being that ever existed is dismissed with only 10 lines?
autohckr 2 years ago
"It's a known fact that the entry is a forgery now based on all the evidence..."
Ive asked countless time for evidence to this..wheres the original that would prove differant from the later copies? Still no answer from anyone.
But at any rate this contested passage is from "Testimonium Flavianum" but Josephus also mentions Jesus in "'The Antiquites". ...cont...
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
..cont..AND yes I know all these writers lived after Jesus,I dident say they dident.
I did a whole video on sources for Jesus outside the Bible. The point is they mention Christ, thus disproving the notion that Jesus is just in the Bible and wasn't a historical figure. This also helps omit some of the Historical Ignorance that videos like this are vomiting out,all for the sake of controversy and sales!
Nothing sells like religion,whether its true or false.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
SerpentSlayer1,
There are many references by outsiders to Achilles of Troy. Does that make him a real character? What you are displaying is ignorance of historical fact. Like I said earlier, I study history. You seem to just make information up out of the sky blue and then claim your statements to be true. The facts are there, you should open your eyes and see them. Not repeat the ramblings of other ignorant people. According to your theory, Achilles is a historical figure.
autohckr 2 years ago
serpent probably meant Achilles the historical figurine you get with a quarter pounder and fries at mcdonalds in a happy meal
hanzaninja3 2 years ago
Roflmao.:-))
autohckr 2 years ago
Secular Historians,and writers outside the Bible that mention Christ include Tacitus,Papias,Irenaeus,Suetonius ,
Phlegan ,Flavius Josephus the Talmuds, Pliny,Suetonius,Lucian of Samosata,Tertullian,Justin Martyr,Phlegon, Julius Africanus, Mara Bar-Serapion and the Jewish Talmuds.
All of these are 1st and 2nd historical Writers,recorders and Historians,from Jews, to Romans, Greeks, to Pagans, to Christians, and can easly be referanced.
PLEASE, get your history from HISTORIANS, not atheists
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
That is very funny indeed. Maybe you should study history before making false claims. Tacitus is disputed for good reason and Josephus is a forgery. The rest make absolutely no mention of Jesus or a man performing incredible miracles. Persius,Lucanus, Philo-Judaeus, Plutarch, Epictecus, Petronius, Quintius Curtius, Damis, Seneca, Justus of Tibrius, Silius Italicus, Dion Prueus, Lucian, Aulus Gellius, Pliny the Elder, Apollonius, Statius, Paterculus, Pausanias, Columella, Suetonius...cont'd
autohckr 2 years ago
Ancient historians recorded legendary figures along with factual ones. Modern historians have to infer from the ancient texts what is true and what is not. And Jesus was not a famous figure and worthy of the contemporary historians until long after his death.
Drewh313 2 years ago
I understand him being famous, however, these historians lived during the time of Jesus so they should be the most reliable of all sources available to us. Tacitus hated the christians(I sent quotes from his 'Annals'), Lucian made fun of them(sent quotes from him also). Seutonius also disliked the christians and called them 'mischevous', so why christains use these men as references is beyond me. These would be the last persons to rely on as proof of Jesus.
autohckr 2 years ago
Pliny the Younger, Ptolemy, Appian, Valerius Flaccus, Dio Chrysostom, Juvenal, Hermogones, Theon of Smyran, Florus Lucius, Lysias, Martial, Quintilian, Valerius Maximus, Phlegon(your claim LOL),Favorinus and more. Do NOT make false claims, especailly if you have read none of them. These are the historians that lived before during and after the time of Jesus and none make mention of him. I also do not appreciate being called "stupid". Now "PLEASE get your history from HISTORIANS".
autohckr 2 years ago
Can you ling me some scholarly sources, like an academic book, that claims those ancient, non-Christian sources are false? And would you care to give me a link to any modern, academic historians (someone with an MA or better) who openly vouches for the works of DM Murdock?
Thanks.
Drewh313 2 years ago
I am not quite sure what you want as far as refernces. Then again, why does a person have to have a degree to have an understanding of simple things? There are many intelligent people who lack rational thought and/or perception, so a degree does not proove anything. I sent you a link to DM Murdock that someone else sent me. Sorry for invading but YouTube was down at the time. And what did you mean by "non-christian sources are false?"
autohckr 2 years ago
One more thing Serpent, I am not an atheist nor am I a Theist. I am a "Truth Seeker" still in the midst of my journey. I educate myself to gain knowledge not really to argue with people. Most are too lazy to seek out the truth about things themselves and would rather simply believe what they are told. I call it "filtering knowledge to support a belief or a belief system". It's one reason I am not suprised that you claim things you have not truly researched yourself. It's commonplace.
autohckr 2 years ago
Secondly, the use of the word 'Christ'(Greek)instead of "Yeshua"is a dead give away. Third, the writing style is different.Example, "she went with him" compared to "she accompanied him". Fourth,in his extant writings he specifically mentions he is not a Christian. For example his "Autobiography". Fifth, the lines appear smack dab in the middle of five paragraphs speaking of the crushing of the revolt of the Jews by Pilate.
autohckr 2 years ago
Next, his works were known to the early church fathers and they make no reference to the so called entry until the time of Eusebius (4th century). And then there's Origen(185-253), an early church father who writes that Josephus did not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Not a likely statement if that passage existed at the time. The inconsistency was realized as early as 360AD in the writings of Ambrose who couldn't explain it away, though he tried. No scholar believes this entry to be legit
autohckr 2 years ago
So because there was no reference to his work it means its not there? There is no reference to the Dead Sea Scrolls anywhere but their there. You say that the evidence for Jesus is not strong because it was written after his death but Origen wrote that statement way after Josephus death but you seem to accept that one because it agrees with what you say. It looks like a double standard to me. Besides if someone says this person would never do that, does it mean he wouldnt do it?
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
Why would there be a reference to the Dead Sea scrolls? They were texts written and hidden by the Essenes who banished themselves from the city. As for Origen, my point was that the so called insertion didn't exist at the time before the 4th century, not a belief in him. He had acces to the original writings, we only have copies of copies, one in aramaic and the other in Greek. The oldest being11th century, WELL after the fact.Double standard? Yeah right. You are reaching now.
autohckr 2 years ago
Richard Dawkins said that Anthony Flew would always be an athiest but look at him now. You should see his interview with Lee Strobel.
Josephus
"so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned"
No one debates this passage and its accepted almost everywhere.
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
Well, you just ignored everthing else and almost all biblical scholars dispute the passage. Here's a test for you though using you're own bible. Tell me the story of jesus' resurection using the so called four eye witness statements. In fact only give me the last half to make it easier. Here are the verses. Matt 28,Mark16, Luke24 and Paul's 1Cor15:3-8. Do NOT leave out any single detail from any of them. Just list step by step who, what ,when and where. I will give you $1,000 if you can do it.
autohckr 2 years ago
Oh and John 20-21 also. It's a fair challenge to any believer. No tricks involved. I want you to see it with your own eyes. Everyone who's ever told me it was easy never got back to me on it, why is that? Easy money for something you all believe wholeheartedly to be true and to disproove me, the heathen who doesn't know anything regarding Christ. I've studied the Hebrew and the Greek versions of the texts so I am pretty well versed. The challenge is right here before everyone so don't flake out.
autohckr 2 years ago
Also, just because a fickle mind becomes a believer does not proove anything. Remember there was a time when millions believed the earth was flat. Why? Because the bilble said so. Even 300 years after they new it to be true the church still denied it.(Gallileo,Copernicus). So which person would you have been? The believer or the searcher of truth and facts?
autohckr 2 years ago
Um... are you retarded? Where does it say the earth is flat in the bible?
Drewh313 2 years ago
Wow we start out with name calling? Ok then let's see. I'm assuming you don't speak Hebrew.
Daniel 4:10-11 The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. Deuteronomy 13:7, 28:64, I Samuel 2:10, and Job 28:24 more "end of the earth" passages. However...Isaiah 40:22 a circle of the earth with a tent above it. Circle is "khug" in Hebrew. Two dimensional on a surface. Examples are Job 26:10 and Proverbs 8:27...cont'd
autohckr 2 years ago
And I apologize for calling you retarded. Sorry.
Drewh313 2 years ago
Now the word in Hebrew that means sphere is "dur". Example:Isaiah 22:17-18
He will seize firm hold on you, and whirl you round and round, and throw you like a ball (dur). This is the word they would use if they believed the earth was spherical.
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." (Job 38:14)
take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it (Job 38:12-13)
an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them"
Matthew 4:1-12
autohckr 2 years ago
Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
Psalm 24:2 He built it on the deep waters beneath the earth and laid its foundations in the ocean depths,"
According to the bilbe the earth is flat, circular, sits on pillars above water, is covered by a dome(which God sits above on his throne) and the firmament is held up by pillars(the mountains most likely).
autohckr 2 years ago
Wikipedia, Myth of the Flat Earth.
Drewh313 2 years ago
Wikipedia is not reliable because anyone can write or edit the entries. However, why was Copernicus persecuted by the church because of his "scientific" explanation of the round earth? Why was Gallileo Galile imprisoned by the church until he denied the earth was round and circled the sun?
autohckr 2 years ago
Did you know that the information on Wikipedia is 94% accurate? And since there is a total of 2,925,924 wikis, 175,555 of that information is false. Making it a grand total of 2,750,369 pages of factual information. Have faith in the general public. We have better things to do than to sit around a fuck with the learning process of others.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago
I will put my faith in fact not the public for the simple reason that many an atrocity has been the result of the ideologies of the general public ( witch burning, slavery, suppression of women, suicide bombing etc.). And of course the flat earth idea of which some in the general public still follow. Coincidentally, where did this information of yours come from? Wikipedia's website?
autohckr 2 years ago
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Um... are you retarded? Where does it say the earth is flat in the bible?
Drewh313 2 years ago
GREAT job guys
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
Wow. No historical evidence of Jesus?
I have over 30 secular Jewish and Roman historions that speak about him and what early Christians did. So Archarya S basically lied. Again.
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
Agree. Any one who isnt ignorant of history, knows theres more historical documentation for Christ then for figures like Alexander the Great and Ceaser combined!
But no one makes movies saying they didient exist,because theres MONEY IN RELIGION...weither right or wrong.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
People have a double standard when looking at evidence for Christ. When people see the evidence for Alexander even though it was written 400 years after his death, people accept it. When some people see the evidence for Jesus they dont accept it. Why? I dont know. I guess they just have the need to reject anything that points to Christ's real existence.
Although I do think some have exploited Jesus for money. (Some not all.) The real Christians are not about money.
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
Agree. Alexander the Great doesn't demand a response or commitment to the evidence as does Christ and Christianity.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
Absolutely, people have a double standard for Christ Jesus
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
Sorry, but you're just making that up. There are not over 30 secular references to Jesus. In fact, historians can not even locate one legitimate secular source for the existence of Jesus. Don't just repeat things others claim to be true. Josephus is the only one mentioned and his work was proven altered, plus he was born after the death of Jesus. There are absolutely NO Jewish references to Jesus. The synoptic gospels do not count(non secular). Stick to the facts not propaganda.
autohckr 2 years ago
Im not making that up I have the sources. And if your going to use the standard of rejecting evidence because it was written after the death of Jesus then you also must reject all the evidence that there is for Alexander the Great, Socrates, and Plato. The first source for Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death. But if you accept this evidence than your a inconsistent hypocrite with a double-standard when looking at evidence for Jesus.
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
The problem is not Alexander or Plato or Socrates but the claims made by followers of Christ. Illiad and Odessy write of the city of Troy. We thought it was a fantasy until we found it. However, does that prove the story of Achilles to be true? I NEVER reject evidence, I search for it. What I reject are fantastic claims made by people who never take the time to search for the truth before claiming they have it.
autohckr 2 years ago
SerpentSlayer1,
You start out calling people ignorant of history then proceed to display ignorance of history. What the hell is that? Historical evidence for Jesus? Where? Who? What are their names? I can list the names of the historians who lived before, during and after the time of Jesus, and not one makes mention of a man who healed the sick, walked on water, fed thousands with a couple fish an loaves or of dead people walking around after his crucifixion and so on. Who's ignorant?
autohckr 2 years ago
For starters,with regards to some sources that mention Jesus Christ and Christianity outside the Bible from 70AD and into 1st and 2nd century, theres
CorneliusTacitus ,Flavius ,Josephus,Plinius Secundus,Suetonius,Lucian of Samosata,Tertullian, Justin Martyr,Phlegon, Julius Africanus, Mara Bar-Serapion,Jewish Talmuds.
With regards to eye witness that the early Christians included in the Bible, theres 1st eye witnesses,Matthew and John and 2nd eye witnesses Luke and Mark.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
Sorry my friend but none of those people wrote of Jesus. History/archaeology is what I study. Talmud is almost 1000 years after the fact. There were no eye witnesses. Paul is the earliest writing and he seems to know nothing about many aspects of Jesus' life. Mark came after that, then Matthew, Luke and John. These were written many decades after the fact and not by the apostles themselves. Justin Martyr an early father, quoted the Old Testament and the Apocrypha ONLY, around 150AD.
autohckr 2 years ago
Heres a History lesson:
Matthew and John are 1st eye witness and Luke and Mark are 2nd eye witnesses. This is backed up two historical records confirming the writers of the gospels are the names ascribed to them:
The testimony of early writer and historian Papias in about 125 AD, refers to John as the writer of his gospel and then in 180AD, Irenaeus double confirms John,as well as Matthew of his,Mark of his as learned form Peter, and Luke from Paul.
..cont...
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
...cont.. If you want to contest documented history,go ahead and beat your head against the wall.
But as in a court of law, if you argue that theses werent the writers,then the burden is on you to propose who really wrote them AND why were these name given to them IF there werent the writers?
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
Here is a history lesson for you. See the challenge I gave xFLASHx1? Let's test your 1st and 2nd eye witness acounts. See if they would hold up in a court of law. I offered $1,000 dollars if any one can do it. How about putting your money where your mouth is for a change?
autohckr 2 years ago
This is Christian propaganda. Many years ago the Christians, and the Muslims, tore the great book apart that explains the truth about the
ancients before you. They have kept the truth from you to keep control.
The only reason this movie was even made is because Zeitgeist revealed the truth about the perversion of sun worship, crippling the Christian numbers.
Free yourself and embrace the consciousness of the world being connected as one.
National Burn Your Bible Day December 25 2012
interested976 2 years ago
"SUNS OF GOD is delightfully convoluted, deliciously eccentric, and full of entertaining idiosyncratic peculiarities."
This guy's mentally ill.
Foolbuster99 2 years ago
Great points
The Pepsi Company created Santa Clause, I Refuse to Celebrate Corperate established money consuming engine of a Holiday.
Think for yourselves
jdclausell11487 2 years ago
SUNS OF GOD is delightfully convoluted, deliciously eccentric, and full of entertaining idiosyncratic peculiarities. It's a classic in the same wild and wooly genre as THE TWO BABYLONS, THE WORLDS SIXTEEN CRUCIFIED SAVIORS, and the two T.Lobsang Rampa romps THE THIRD EYE and MY TRIP TO VENUS. THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY, also by Acharya S, is definitely not to be missed! All of these books belong in every library for their wealth of kooky disinformation and precious conspiracy theories
LattimoreBeasley 2 years ago
just for kicks, I will post a link to critical reviews of Murdock's Christ COnspiracy book:
amazon . com / Christ - Conspiracy - Greatest - Story - Ever / product - reviews / 0932813747 / ref = cm _ cr _ p r _ link _ 2 ? ie = UTF8&show Viewpoints = 0 & filter By = a ddOne Star & pageNumber = 2
The third reviewer said Murdock makes the accusation that Lenin and Marx were believing Jews, which is downright laughable.
d2eux 2 years ago
That critique is irrelevant in that she doesn't provide much primary source evidence for her claims in that book, and she recognizes this. The Temple of Luxor is evidence enough for a miraculous conception etc BEFORE xianity.
However, all primary sources are addressed in later works, and all the sources used PREDATE xianity without fail. You clearly haven't read ANY of her books, as if you had you would know what I'm talking about.
dudekin 2 years ago
oh ya? so, go get the book, and name one.
since you have all her books, of course.
StarvingForTruth 2 years ago
Dudekin, how about a link that actually works?
LattimoreBeasley 2 years ago
truthbeknown(dot)com/luxor(dot)html
That should work.
Or maybe read Christ in Egypt. The evidence is irrefutable, and anyone who has read the book knows this.
dudekin 2 years ago
i am trying to follow your logic here. so because she says its real, and gives no real evidence outside of her word and her own theories its real. and you cant disprove it because... she is the only person with the evidence? i mean if she herself has called in to question the person she is using to translate Egyptian, how am i to believe she isnt manipulating the pictures herself as much as she is claiming the Christians did. thats not a irrefutable case, that has holes in it.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
You've distorted her work, and it is plain to see that you haven't read any of it.
'... gives no real evidence outside of her work'
That's a lie, or a product of ignorance. Acharya cites her claims meticulously, as well as including primary sources for each one. Ah, go over to my video 'Jesus Christ the Sun: A claim originating from theosophy', and read the comments section.
The discussion is concerning whether Isis was considered a virgin. I think it'll be evident which side has the evidence.
dudekin 2 years ago
i beat if you went to a video claiming aliens have secret bases on earth and the people who are pro video will have a ton of "evidence". i see more then enough hole in Acharya theories to doubt her validity. I dont have to read her book because her material is all over the place, and most of it is sketchy to say the least. you dont see it that way, so we are at a in pass.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
'I don't have to read her book'
Well, if you're going to pass judgement, yes you do.
They seem sketchy because you haven't seen the evidence supporting them. Those who proclaim there is no evidence, haven't studied her work, nor have they taken the time to examine the religions of antiquity. Especially the Egyptian mythos.
dudekin 2 years ago
As its been well documents in the debunking videos her opinions are not held by any credible source, and by no means are actually held anyone outside of a small fringe group of people who seem to have a agenda outside of just revealing the truth. her interpretation of the Lexor is not held by any and i many ANY credible source that I can find except for her and her the very uncredible so called sources.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
LOL. Oh please!
Go back to the Luxor page, and review the sources she used. She debunks Carrier with the click of a finger, pointing out an extremely careless mistake in his translation. You've just stated a flat out LIE, as you have seen the page. Please don't attempt to discuss things you don't understand.
dudekin 2 years ago
please dont attempt to understand history you clearly have a bias against. you adore her written as its clearly plain to see, so you are biased in this topic because you agree with what she has deduced even though what she has written has been written off by the authorities on the subjects of Egypt, Greece, and India. she is clearly making up history to fit her wild and fringe beliefs. you can call it a lie, but evidence points otherwise. stop mistaking opinions as historical facts.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
You've side stepped the point, yet again.
She doesn't interpolate her works with any opinion. I needn't go into any details as such an attempt would seem futile - you haven't read one of her books.
dudekin 2 years ago
the point is she is uncredable as a historian there for she can not be trusted and her fanciful made up stories are merely grasping as straws to fit a predetermined outcome.
All one has to do is read and study history to see that her so called myths are nothing more then forcing ancient myths and legends to fit a predetermined archetype. ya... I dont buy it, and clearly you do. enjoy the cool-aid.
wayoftheforesthand 2 years ago
Thats not true either. The inscription in the Temple of Luxor proves you wrong outright, yet you'll ignore that. Her books prove you wrong, outright, yet you'll also ignore that.
She cites primary sources for every contention, especially in regards to the Egyptian religion; which she has a 600 page book on. Which by the way cites modern day Egyptologists, Astronomers and Historians in the relevant fields of studies.
Again, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
dudekin 2 years ago
Hahaha a youtube flame war. This is hilarious!!
pwned...
Alaskafin 2 years ago
answers . yahoo . com / question / index ? qid = 20060816115000AAwjHOh
d2eux 2 years ago
two separate accounts in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, and one passage in Tacitus' Annals, Book 15 provide evidence that a historical Jesus existed.
Though both sources were added to by later Christian scholars, they did have original references to a preacher named Jesus, who has a brother names James, who was executed after a period of preaching around Galilee.
d2eux 2 years ago
LOL. Ok, then. Tacitus' annals has been proven to be a forgery since before you were even born, the spuriourity of such a testimony is so high, that it is ridiculous to even dare proclaim its attestation for Jesus' existence. The same can be said for Josephus.
In Suns of God, Acharya cites primary sources in regards to buddhism and Hinduism's parallels to xianity, and in Christ in Egypt, she dedicates 600 pages to verifying the claims regarding Egyptology.
dudekin 2 years ago
and I dont have to take these guys' words for it. '
all I need to do is look up the claims myself and find that many scholars and sources flat out disprove Ms. Murdock. She quotes endlessly from other sources.
and if the sources that disprove the christ conspiracy are "in on the conspiracy" to cover up the connections, and are "suppressing the truth" well then lets just believe anything we want.
d2eux 2 years ago
No, they're not 'in on the conspiracy', there isn't a 'conspiracy' per se, it's more of information being 'swept under the rug' as it were.
The people who have 'disproved' her are the people who are yet to study her works, and they'll be the first to admit that. If you haven't even SEEN or STUDIED the evidence she provides, you're not in ANY position to comment.
dudekin 2 years ago
- Zeitgeist wasn't advertised anywhere.
- It was a compilation, and not some sort of a multi-million dollar Illuminati propaganda.
- And finally, the reason why Jesus-lovers hate it so much is because, it's been so big and millions have watched it.
My advice to Jesus-lovers is:
Go make your own video and put it out there. Then, we'll see how many people watch yours. SOUR FUCKING LOSERS!
SirianKings 2 years ago
ah, I see, very interesting.
Just because millions of people watch something doesnt make it true.
Can you refute the refutations made in this video?
No, because Zeitgeist and Acharya S present lies.
I am not even Christian but am outraged when I am blatantly lied to.
You should be as well.
d2eux 2 years ago
this video succesfully debunks her attempt to debunk the debunkers...... all you atheists and zeigiest fans cant argue this.. just get over it.
ShleeJay 2 years ago
I'm no atheist. However, this video doesn't debunk anything. In fact, they demonstrated their overwhelming ignorance on the subject when they criticized Budge in her source bibliography.
ALL of Acharya's claims are asserted with PRIMARY sources. Even in THE VERY BOOKLET they're 'rebuking'.
dudekin 2 years ago
this video demonstrated that the person acharya s cites on Attis doesnt agree with her thesis. she does not present any primary sources in her response. and ithe idea that these things were never written down, yet she is somehow the only person to figure it out seems very hard to believe.
Id like her to refute some Roman primary sources during Jesus's time that clearly indicated that he existed
d2eux 2 years ago
Those 'Roman primary sources', aren't primary sources in the first place. Do you even know what a primary source is?
THERE IS NO PRIMARY SOURCE IN EXISTENCE ATTESTING TO JESUS
NONE
All the sources are in her books. But, again... you haven't read them. Buy 'Christ in Egypt', then come back to me.
dudekin 2 years ago
Dudekin, Acharya S quotes no primary sources in her books Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God. I'm pleased Chrostianity is in deep trouble, but one shoukld not stoop to the lows of Acharya to acheive this end.
LattimoreBeasley 2 years ago
good job guys
displaced36 2 years ago
when the government declared 25 December as the birth-date of Jesus, believers did nothing to protest or stop it (why didn't you stop it if you know for a FACT that it is not true), but when the ten commandments are removed from an official government office (separation of church and state), you were all up in arms. If you want your argument to hold water, you MUST protest the 25 dec birth-date official declaration. until then please don't use this as a debunking argument, makes you look bad.
vmv5813 2 years ago
Acharya S, is an ILLITERATED DYKE!
WHY???
IT'S A MISTERY!!
barakahasard 2 years ago
The comments to this video are shameful; how these 'Debunkers' are claiming the moral high-ground, yet smearing and attacking the personality of a single female author and mother, I don't know. Why not read her books? Then the validity of her claims will become apparent.
You clearly have absolutely zero understanding of the topics you claim to know so much about. For refutations of the criticisms in 'The Christ Conspiracy', read 'Suns of God'. I would also advise the works of 'James Forlong'.
dudekin 2 years ago
oh, poor thing, shes a mother, that automatically exempts a person from any criticism right?
Grow up
d2eux 2 years ago
No, it doesn't. However if you were to observe the way Keithtruth and Chris White talk about Acharya, with some prior knowledge of Acharya's work, you'll notice how unfounded it is.
All the claims made in Zeigeist (part 1) are asserted through use of PRIMARY sources. The ones critiquing the claims are the ones who haven't researched the topic in any detail whatsoever. It's disgraceful that such people think they're an authority on A THING.
dudekin 2 years ago