re: God Believers and Non-Believers Challenge- Part 1

[KrisMTL]

You violate the man's rights to get info about the brother. I would be fucking enraged if some cops broke my arm, they can fuck off and go find my brother by some other means.

[choirgrrl]

@KrisMTL I agree in some ways, but what of the rights of the child in that situation? Who has more rights, an innocent child on his way to a certain death, or a man protecting the "rights" of his homicidal pedophile brother? If the brother knew nothing, then certainly his rights would have been broken, but considering he did- and in that fictional situation that information lead to the child- I have to stand by my original statement.

[MounopanoTheGreat]

Cloning has obvious moral issues, but apart from that we have no idea what the long term health ramifications are

[MounopanoTheGreat]

capital punishment can't be used. The religious cannot justify it because they are "acting as if they are God". Non-believers cannot justify the mistakes that are made. 1 innocent life being taken cannot be justified, so regardless of one's spiritual beliefs it cannot be justified in my opinion

[MounopanoTheGreat]

question 8 is 2 diff questions. Unnatural &wrong are independent of eachother. Look at anal sex for instance. From a biological perspective it is unnatural, the anus isn't equipped to deal with the insertion of a penis. In turn, it is also unnatural from a medical perspective, it significantly increases one's chances of getting colon cancer. However whether it is wrong depends on the moral code 1 upholds: traditionalists &religious will say it's wrong, homosexuals of course will say it isn't.

[MounopanoTheGreat]

The problem with your answer to question 1 is, where do you draw the line? I mean who decides on what sort of information would make torture justifiable? Also what happens if the authorities THINK someone has info but they don't? Or worse, if the authorities use it as an excuse to torture? ;) People never give up their liberty except under some delusion, that delusion is usually fear. question 3-4, there's a difference between war &genocide. Genocide is never justifiable.

[superpaganatheist]

Excellent answers.

[adolthitler]

Imagine now exact same situation except the brother does not have any information. How many bones get broken before the cop realises woops he was wrong? Torture can only work on the guilty, what about the innocent?

[choirgrrl]

@adolthitler I am not trying to justify torture, believe me. It was merely an example to express that there may be moments where it is necessary. Overall, I feel torture is just plain wrong. Just laying out an example for everyone to ponder.

[adolthitler]

@choirgrrl I pondered it, and it can't be justified by a case where it does work as there will be cases where it does not. Torture is fail.

[choirgrrl]

@adolthitler We will have to agree to disagree over this one. I'm one who tries to see every possible side to each situation, and at times it makes me come off as cold and uncaring, when I am quite the opposite.

[matthewtaylorbrown]

I don't trust anyone to 'know' that he knew where the brother and child was located. The problem is that not everyone can make the right decision.

I suppose that if we did the numbers we could go to war if we were sure that there would be loss of innocent life if we didn't go to war.

We wouldn't deserve to live if we destroyed a group of people.

Killing an animal just for skins is wrong, we should use all the parts. I saw in the Philippines they ate the loosing cocks, good with BBQ.

[choirgrrl]

@matthewtaylorbrown I agree with your first comment. I was merely attempting to make a point that even though it sounds awful at first, there may be cases where torture was justified- although not many. As for the animals, I also agree. If an animal is killed and everything possible is not used, then that poor animal's life was wasted. I do not think we are "higher" than the animals- we were just lucky enough to master speech.

[sparton1199]

*Torture, yes, if that person has killed 1 or more people

*war, yes - genocide, no

*food stealin? takes me 2 hours to find food in my house, a strangers not gona find any.

*a type of people... hmmm... can i say wold leaders? all of those

*animals in all that, yes. i dont care about animals, sorry, we live in a wasteland, every species for themselfs.

*lieing is necessary

*abusing parents love fuck no

*sex, what you said

*Q9 - W T Fuck?

*cloning, i draw the line at the brain. no new brain

[choirgrrl]

@sparton1199 LOL- you want my brain? I'll trade ya! :P

[sparton1199]

@choirgrrl i kind of consider and the moving of information from the brain anywhere els is the death of me, and birth of somebody els who is just like i was. so basicly IM DEAD. i dont want a me who isnt me around