Joe Lewis an american fighting legends

[mastichka]

The fact itself that a street bully can enter MMA competition and get to the finals speaks enough about their quality. Let him do the same in the pro boxing or kyokushin and wouldn't even heard about him ever. Just face the truth that even kids can sit onto one another's chest and smashing one another's face and there is no fucking "ART" in that

[FrankfurtMilad439]

@mastichka Just want to tell you that (if you mean Kimbo Slice) he doesnt got to the finals in a MMA competition, he even lost against half pros, the only competition where he was good was the ultimate fighter, where all are amateurs. But I think you are right, its way harder to achieve in pro boxing ( in kyokushin I dont know ) - we will see MMA is evolving the next 20 years its going to be a festival for fighters from every part of the world.

[nofd1977]

Hey pornfuck! You think Bruce was fake? Are you a fucking idiot!? I have read your man Joe Lewis state " Bruce was one of the best martial artist he ever knew" and for his cocky lil ass to say that you know Bruce whipped his punk ass. Why you talkin shit on you tube bitch! Come down to New Orleans and I'll show you some JKD mutha fucka!!

[pornpan96]

JOE LEWIS the best MARTIAL ARTIST AND FIGHTER EVER

after me ... ( hahaha just jokin )

[ajaben]

haha, 1:03 "can kill a man with one blow"

[sweetypie000]

i'm the daddy

[AMER1C0]

Definitly!

To learn and train Martial Art with rules is very importan, is part of the learning; But to perfect your fight, rules just make limitations.

Just like Bruce said: " Balance, no too rational, no too intuitive".

[maenthusiast]

Joe Lewis is great but he was only a student of Bruce Lee.

[Brucelee4eva]

bruce showed he can score very easy vs vic moore. vic moore was not able to defend himself in fighting position. the only thing i agree is that vic moore wasnt allowed to attack only to defend. but if he cant defend the first punsh i dont think he is ale to attack

[legkicker01]

A typical analysis by a geek who has no experience in fighting. When you are truly a fighter, you'll eventually face someone with fast punches and kicks. The thing is you don't have to solely rely on your blocking. You just simple move out of the range to avoid the follow-up punches and/or kicks.

[IpMan19]

@legkicker01

"move out of the range"

When you're out of the range at the time, how do you attack the opponent?

By telling people to move out of the range actually indicated you're not a fighter, but truly a runner. lol

[legkicker01]

@IpMan19

You are a real geek who have never experienced any real fighting. When I say moving out of range, I don't advocate that you should be out of range forever. It is done temporarily. You are neither fighter nor runner. Shut up and go join in a real gym and get yourself a real fighting training.

[Brucelee4eva]

so far what i know is that bruce saw his brother losing by bad ref judges in fencing(i believe it was fencing). he thought the refs wouldnt be able to see his fast punshes and combinations. he dont wanna give a 3rd person the chance to decide about win or lose. knockout and real fight without rulez was his perfection

[legkicker01]

A typical Chinese style excuse to avoid losing face. Bad referee calls happen in just about every sport. It is true that no competitor likes it, but they know they have to deal with it in one way or another in their careers. The so-called streetfight Lee was supposed to be good at would have present far more factors which could turn out to his disadvantages.

[Brucelee4eva]

Lee performed against USKA world karate champion Vic Moore. Lee told Moore that he was going to throw a straight punch to the face, and all he had to do was to try and block it. Lee took several steps back and asked if Moore was ready, when Moore nodded in affirmation, Lee glided towards him until he was within striking range. He then threw a straight punch directly at Moore's face, and stopped before impact. In eight attempts, Moore failed to block any of the punches.[43]. No fake no rules.

[legkicker01]

It was still a cooparated demonstration. It is just geeks like you have been making it such a big deal for a long time.

[Brucelee4eva]

to say that bruce lee studied martial arts but he was not fighting is like to say: pete sampras was a good tennis player but he he cant play tennis. how stupid is this?interesting is that vic moore,world karate champion(beat joe lewis and chuck norris mike stone b.wallace)was not able to block any of bruce lees punshes in 1967. how could this be?when joe lewis and chuck are so good like you all said why is the man who beat them both not able in 8 attempts to block one punsh from bruce lee?

[legkicker01]

It was merely a demonstration in which Victor Moore stood in the spot and was told to try block the in-coming blows of Bruce Lee, and Moore wasn't allowed to move away, around or counter attack. Lee indeed sucessfully displayed his unmatched hand speed, but he was able to do so because Moore was cooperatve. And Lee did not prove his so-called fighting prowess agaist Moore.

[thankful2one]

Brucelee4eva,

We all love Bruce Lee. But, if he was indeed a fighter, why did he never fight and win a championship? Perhaps he could've, perhaps not. He was an actor, not a fighter. Being able to throw fast techniques is only one component of being a fighter. Anyone who has ever been in the ring can tell you that.

All the Best

[AMER1C0]

So, do you think if you would be a world karate champion, do you really could let an actor to teach you SOME TECNICS Y/O CONCEPTS to be better?

Chuck Norris, Joe lewis, Mike Stone, all of these guys accepted Bruce Lee' guide.

Of course they knew better than you, who was indeed BRUCE LEE!

In fact competition is just that competition, NO REAL THING!!!

[thankful2one]

AMER1CO

Listen up. Read my comment, if you can read. In real ring fights, people get hit, hard. If Bruce Lee had wanted to be a fighter, he certainly could have made that choice. As I said, WE ALL LOVE HIM. He knew a lot about fighting, but he NEVER got in the ring. If you think getting in the ring with a skilled opponent full-contact is nothing you have never done it.

[AMER1C0]

I think you aren't understanding that context of my words. Full Contact or any SPORT FIGHTING (or whatever you want to call it) has RULES, has referee, has a specif place (conditioned to the tournament), etc,etc.

Bruce trained and used the concept of FIGHT as universal as this was possible. His mind never stopped with any specific style or way.

Just he wanted to be THE GREATEST, THE BEST FIGHTER ON THE WORLD, and indeed HE WAS!

[thankful2one]

AMER1C0,

Forgive me if we've have gotten crossed up. Bruce may have been the best fighter ever on plant earth, I don't know. I don't have a problem with that conceptually, but factually, he wasn't a fighter. He didn't have a fight record, there are no videos of fights (just movies), and so on... If he had wanted to be a fighter, that was an option, but he was a movie star by choice and not a fighter. Perhaps and arguably very capable of fighting, but he chose not to fight, but to act.

[AMER1C0]

"The Art of fight without fight" (Jet Kune Do); This concept is too deep and show how complex is to be a real MARTIAL ARTIST. Could be a philosophy without martial arts, but no a martial art without philosophy; I mean, If your concept of "FIGHTER" just end in the physic contact, maybe you right; however the greatest masters used to say that: "The best fighter is that one who can win a battle without fight and a discussing without words".

[AMER1C0]

So, you should wonder your self: Why nobody wanted to challenge Bruce in live?

[pornpan96]

@AMER1C0 eat shit,. _BL WASNT anything other than actor... who the fuck are u tellin us that ? BL never said he wanted to be the best or greatest fighter in the world.. he wanted to be the superstar asian in the world and thats what he said. B fuckin L was never a fighter so dont insult peoples intelligence ,that makes me  angry i ll go and fuck u up , you fuckin movie freakin nerd ..

[bottlebrusher]

@thankful2one ...Bruce Lee did fight in the ring, he was a boxing champ in Hong Kong when he was about 18 or so. Used his martial arts in his many street fights against gang members which he beat and even fought challengers during his TV/movie career all of which he not only defeated, but mostly destroyed. BL didn't care for participating in "sport fighting" though he appreciated it. His focus was all out war, no rules fighting. Also had a solid ground game learned from Gene LeBelle & others.

[thankful2one]

@bottlebrusher

Hey buddy, thanks for setting me straight. I guess someone should have a few pictures, a trophy or something to document him as boxing champ? A championship belt, newpaper article, SOMETHING? Hong Kong, even then was one of the most modern places on the planet, surely we can get someone to post some EVIDENCE? Gene LeBell's published comment on Bruce: "a sweet guy, who was willing to learn grappling".

Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and old killer Bruce Lee....thanks!

[pornpan96]

@bottlebrusher stfupppppppp. BL never fought in his fuckin life he was a cha cha faggot. he was a child actor and a comedian ,never knew about martial arts when he realized that kung fu movies are the wawe of that era and he started to use it as his tool to create his place in show biz, when i see his moves in green hornet and long street i laugh so much cuz he looks like a fuckin kid learning karate.. i d fuck him up in a heart beat to hongkong. .. so shut ur ass

[guitarplayzme]

@pornpan96 blablablablablabla

[pornpan96]

BL was nothing but an actor you cant make an actor a fighter..he knew shit about fighting, he just knew how to stage A fighting for his interest so applyin that in his movies he created a cult movie hero status for himself which most people like urself confuses with actual fighters and fighting .. if BL was a fighter we d have some kinda proff already ,.

[johnjohnmajortom]

@pornpan96 After reading most of your comments on here, I would say that you are a moron with anger issues, with the typical internet tough guy mentally. Fucking aggressive guys (or FAG in your case) should seek out prompt mental health from a professional.

[AoDNightmare]

@pornpan96 lol, want proff? Go out and read his books

[pornpan96]

@thankful2one dont pay attention to freakin mother fuckers like this.. they re lost in fuckin movie fantasy.. they dont even know who the fuck BL was. i do, i ve seen, he was an actor and nothing else, but what u gonna do rambo lovers thinks stallone is the real rambo , colombo is the real detective, star wars are real,,..ufo s are here and they ll fuck us in the ass. fuckin freakin mother fuckers...

[thankful2one]

@pornpan96

Thanks for the affirmation my friend. Bruce Lee - love the guy. But I really think Helio Gracie would have taken him down, tapped him out, and made him cry, in about 20 seconds of round one.  I loved his movies and so many of us from my generation got into the arts because of him. But we don't have to suspend logical thought or make him a god. All the best!

[tonyvalente]

@thankful2one the same gracie that turned down gene lebell? garcie jujitsu is a sport. no one in the street lays on there back and hold you in the guard for 30 minutes. Ive seen a dozen jujitsu guys in the street and they didnt do well. you will get stomped and blind sided by other attackers.

[thankful2one]

@tonyvalente As soon as you post a video of you or Bruce Lee or Gene LeBell tapping out a Gracie, I will agree with you. I work in and teach corrections officers in a prison system environment, so I participate and see dozens of fights a month, corrections officers vs. hardened criminals. But, you probably know more than I do.

[tonyvalente]

@thankful2one Go try your moves at any Grapplers quest, and you'll see why there is no Gracies there. The top UFC trainers don't use them or there style any more. If it helps you at work, more power to you, but in the REAL WORLD, where fighters are trying to get paid, they want SERGIO PENA, or ROBERT DRYSDALE or JEFF GLOVER.

[guitarplayzme]

@tonyvalente thats not true, rampage, gsp, sinocic and many more have trained with my teach carlos machado.

travis lutter, and elvis sinosic are machado black belts,

the machados are apart of the gracie family

[guitarplayzme]

@tonyvalente well, if 95% of all street fights end up on the ground then someone who trains on the ground will have the advantage over someone who hasnt. and a man can post a good defence from the ground, and off his back, but if you try to arm bar someone and you dont get it right away your in danger of being slamed, but expireance helps all fighters

[talon115]

those old karate tournaments were crap.

[HDsharp]

bruce was probably the only martial arts fighter, mostly other martial artists never had a real fight in their entire lives they just competed, they're competitors in sports in the safety hands of refs..

[HDsharp]

I'm not saying points scoring comp affairs are useless, I'm saying NHB sparring is more realistic..

Just becos he wasn't caught on tape street fighting dosent mean he wasnt an expert, we know that from the knowledge and physical dynamics he possessed by recorded footage's and experts verifying his abilities which consist of former world champs, besides who would film their own street fights that would incriminate themselves..

[fanmedia]

:30 - :33 seconds ending the myth of Bruce Lee vs. Skip Mullins. It was Lewis vs. Skip Mullens

[animate4u]

Its not the arts fault but the fighter....styles dont win, heart, talent and application does. If you cant lift a 50kg barbell, its not the barbells fault its yours. No style is supreme but a good fighter is supreme.

[mpcc2022]

exactly

[Pauljos79]

Stop fighting for who is better, Bruce was a genious and maybe he was the greatest martial artist in the twenty century, and Joe Lewis was his best student and the greatest Karate Fighter in his time too.

Who of them was the better fighter? Nobody knows because they never fight each others in a real fight.

[mpcc2022]

but Lee is better the edvidence speaks for it's self Lewis wasn't physically capable of what lee was no one was

[Pauljos79]

I am complete agree with you.

I am just saying Lewis never said those bad things about Lee in the interview, those things are bullshit people post in Internet forums and even here in youtube but they are not real.

[Pauljos79]

Joe Lewis never said "Bruce Lee was not a real fighter he was just an actor", THIS IS A COMPLETE LIE THAT SOMEONE PUT IN THE INTERNET!

He really said in the interview:

"Bruce told me he did not care about competing. He had no interest in it, and he said he felt there was nothing to gain by him doing so. Little guys, in my opinion, have always been the best trainers. Bruce Lee was a wealth of knowledge. No one knew what he had".

[lucidmist]

Just like any of us, if your own teacher didn't impress you, would u be an idiot and stayed on to learn from him like a fool? I mean, of cos, u urself HAVE to know something about fighting in the first place to spot a good teacher/master.

[lucidmist]

Bruce was never a fighter? Lol. Bruce never COMPETED, yes. But not a fighter? Come on. And if Bruce didn't impress Lewis enough or "wow" him, ya think Lewis wld've stayed to learn from Bruce? It was Lewis' own ego that's stopping him from acknowledging what Bruce has done for him and how good Bruce really was! Lewis is just jealous he never made it big in films like Bruce did and so he keeps banking in on his competition experience to say he's better than Bruce!

[erwin021777]

Both Lewis and Norris are top notch martial artist. world class and champions. yet they both trained with Bruce Lee. It shows how great Lee is. They wouldn't be Lee's students if they think his not really good.

in fact, two of Lee's student, 1 is Norris, won championship titles

So it is unfair to say Lee is not a real fighter because he has no title like Lewis and Norris..

[legkicker01]

It is so funny many geek types never understand why fighters decide to get coached by different people. They do that not because new coaches are necessarily better fighters. Fighters want to make sure new coaches will train them to be better fighters. For people like Norris and Lewis, training with Lee was like champion boxers hire different coaches once in a while. For the record, Norris had already proven himself as a legitimate champion before training with Lee.

[Devilbat]

So? You have to respect a coaches teaching abilities if you're willing to train under them or spar with them, which is what they did. The best fighters work with the best coaches to be the best.

[legkicker01]

Lewis has given Lee the credit as a good teacher. Lewis benefited from Lee more than Norris since Lewis was able to create full-contact kickboxing. While always acknowledging Lee as a superb martial artist, Norris trained under many other instructors as well. To Norris, Lee was just one of those. Both men do not have to give more than enough credit to Lee to contribute to the Bruce Lee geekdom.

[vincent4500]

yeah but as a student of karate first and then jeet kune do it's funny how the way Lewis fights above is 'Bruce Lee Light'..eg he uses the kicking style and tying up' style Bruce developed...that lead stepping side kick doesnt exist in Karate!!! It was Bruce who took Northern Shaolin style kicks and adapted them for himself...so you dont know jack..anyone with any real perception of martial arts dynamics can see Bruce had more speed, power, grace in one sloppy move than Norris or Lewis ever had

[legkicker01]

>he uses the kicking style and tying up' style Bruce developed...that lead stepping side kick doesnt exist in Karate!!!

That's bullshit. Lewis had used his side kick to win championships before he ever saw or heard of Bruce Lee. Lewis learned his side kick from his Okinawan instructor, Chinsaku Kinjo, and there were some US Marines who trained during the same time period as Lewis witnessed the kicking prowess of Kinjo.

[vincent4500]

ha ha, your ego precedes you and blurs your clearly limited perception...that side kick is a jumping side performed with a right hand jab-feint which is TOTALLY BRUCE LEE-LIGHT! I studied karate and that side kick is not part of any trad style, goju ryu or otherwise...the whole approach he has is a copy of Bruce, i have the intelligence to tell the truth you're just some fag who fantasises about deflowering Joe Lewis' crusty ole 'brown rose'..right, next you'll say Lewis was a bigger star..b-s

[legkicker01]

Stop your sweeping generalization. And don't tell me you studied karate. What you trained was a form of geek kune do, taught by some imaginary master. In case you don't know, Bill Wallace studied the same style as Lewis, and used the lead hand/side kick very well. Unlike Lewis, Wallace never met or trained with Lee. Those two champions, among others have the authorities when it comes to side kick unlike Lee, who never used the technique against a real opponent.

[vincent4500]

give you this - from what you say, gotta agree..you're actually Brain-Light, just as much as Lewis is Bruce Lee-Light...I did study Shotokan, Wado-Ryu and some Goju...then when I went on to Jeet Kune Do I saw a creative, fluid and original fighting style that is ever evolving..and it worked! Enjoy Lewis' crusty ole 'brown rose' bud...because being a raging transexual whore is the closest to being a real man you'll ever get..was it you with Hugh Grant that night by the way?? ha ha

[legkicker01]

Shotokan, Wado, Goju..... Joe Lewis has nothing to do with these styles. Stop your geek talk and grow up. There is nothing wrong with the fact more than one style or instructor happen to have the similar techniques. The fact is, in the modern MA world, it was Lewis, not Lee, who proved the effectiveness of side kick in combat. When was the last time did Bruce Lee delivered his side kick against an opponent who tried to knock him out? Never.

[HDsharp]

Why would joe be talked by an unproven coach or teacher such as bruce. bruce never had any world champions under his belt like boxing coaches do, the fact bruce was the best and chuck and joe knew that and wanted to learn from a far superior fighter..it wouldnt make any sense otherwise..

[legkicker01]

Stop your geek talk. In any sport, coaches are not necessarily accomplished players themselves. Their job is to teach his/her players to do better performance, not to prove their superiority or dominance. You have to start from somewhere. Even those proven coaches were biginners at one time. By the way, it was Mike Stone, who convinced Lewis to take lessons from Lee because Stone believed Lee's approaches to the MA would help Lewis in his competitive career.

[HDsharp]

You still have to be a proven coach for any one to take you seriously, bruce was never a person set out to coach, he was a proven real fights fighter, which is a far different world to point scoring comp affairs...the question still begs, why would 2 world champs the lies and joe would have anything to do with an unproven coach unless they knew bruce was the real deal, its just so obvious he was much better in all aspects, I know it you know it, we all know it..

[legkicker01]

When exactly was Bruce Lee proven as a real fighter? Lee might have had some street altercations in his youth, but you don't have to be a fighter to survive that type of situation. What makes you think point competitors cannot defend themselves on the street? Champs like Skipper Mullins and Jeff Smith sucessfully defended themselves in street stiuations many times.

[HDsharp]

I suggest you read up on bruce more competely before you asked stupid questions, you think he just had some street alterations just like any punk, to start with he strived to be a martial arist and homed his skills on the streets to advance his knowledge, those police records dont lie and fight challenges that have been documented..there is no way a person without any advance real fight experiences could have the vision to develope such philosophy in combat, impossible..

[legkicker01]

His fights on the street documented? Stop your hero worshipping and grow up. No one can make the objective evaluation based on those so-called street fights he was supposed to have in Hong Kong. Have you actually watch him fighting for real? If he was really a fighter, why didn't he compete in a tournament at least once? He was just too afraid to lose his face to compete. That's why you don't see very few Chinese Americans fought in those days.

[HDsharp]

you dip shit, people were jumping into his garden at his own home to fight him for real, if he ain't the real deal he just would have been found out, yet he managed to beat all challenges and convinced the experts in his time as well as earning the title the deadliest man on the planet, to do that you you have to be the real McCoy. not some fake pre madonna you think he was ..there were more martial arts experts hk in back those days than in the states..he brought the arts to the west u prick..

[legkicker01]

Don't talk like you actually saw him fighting for real. Again, we cannot make any objective evaluation of him as a fighter because there is nothing available to us to see how good he actually was and/or how good his adversaries were, how well he carried himself against those, etc. Whether you like it or not, he is no longer alive and none of us can see how good he actually was. Instead, you can spend the rest of your life to improve yourself as a martial artist.

[HDsharp]

Whether you like it or not he was rated the best martial artist in his era by the very top martial artist in his time, thats a fact that you have not taken into account and does not wish too. simple you're a detractor, nothing more a troll hell bent on ignorance making a moron of yourself on the internet..

[legkicker01]

He was never rated as the best martial artists by anyone. Even he was rated as such, he was never a fighter. You are a troll because this is a Joe Lewis clip. If you want to talk about Bruce Lee, then go somewhere else.

[HDsharp]

Then you know nothing at all, so what if this is a joe thread, makes no difference to the debate...it changes nothing..bruce was underrated, people mostly see what he was capable of in his films, fact he slowed down in them so audiences could see his techniques, but in real life he was much faster and more power, its no wonder world champs would want lessons of the man..the man was a freak of nature.

[legkicker01]

The reason why the legitimacy of Bruce Lee as a fighter has been questined by many is partly due to the way those BL geeks act. They seldom mention how they can improve themselves as martial artists (if only they really are) with the philosophies he left behind. Instead they spent their precious time to discuss how he would've fare against this champion or that, or how fast he was, etc. They love to talk about Lee, but they don't seem to care about their training.

[HDsharp]

yeah but theres no need to go as far saying he was just an actor with some people, bruce was underrated contrary to what people think. sure he must have had weaknesses but didnt he do well to overcome them.

[legkicker01]

Like I said, Bruce is dead. You cannot do anything about it. Still, if you want to see more people give respect to Lee, why don't you or other people prove jeet kune do as an effective art in the ring? You can probably do the same thing for Bruce just as countless judo fighters have done for the late Jigoro Kano.

[HDsharp]

JKD is a very personal thing, no one JKD practitioner are the same, most UFC fighters are using the philosphy of JKD anyways, disgard what is useless absorb whats useful.

[legkicker01]

If you study carefully, what Lee stressed were not necessarily new philosophies for martial arts. Besides Lee and JKD had nothing to do with UFC. However, in a way, most UFC fighters seem to embrace the philosophy of Lee since they concern about the development of themselves as fighters, instead of wasting time for discussing how Lee was great or similar topics, like you do.

[HDsharp]

Likewise, theres are bruce lee detractors who speak unlike me but talk crap, i'm just putting it straight.

[legkicker01]

Tell me when was the last time I talked crap? This is a Joe Lewis clip. Geek Kune Do experts like you seem too desperate to try to convince others that Bruce Lee was something he was not. Are you telling me JKD is about wasting one's time for talking endlessly about how great Lee was? If you have an issue with the way Lewis talk about Lee, why don't you go and see him in person and talk to him?

[HDsharp]

Well I certainly remember you slagging off bruce unfairly.

You're not serious about me talking to Joe right.

[legkicker01]

I have always tried to speak subjects as objectively as I can. While you keep making comments on how Lee would've fared against Lewis etc, in this Joe Lewis clip, I have never said something like Lee was just an actor, can't fight, etc in any Bruce Lee related clips. You'd better leave here. Martial arts are not for geeks.

[HDsharp]

You must be kidding about your dictatorship mentality. this is free space i choose where i want to be, please dont go against for what youtube stands for.

[legkicker01]

Dictatorship? Are you talking about yourself? You have been forcing people to hold the same view on Bruce Lee. It is not real. You haven't yet brought up anything to back up your theory of Bruce Lee being a fighter. So, don't expect others to believe what you say.

[HDsharp]

Haha, please understand the term dictatorship, i've been debating all along, if i'm dictating then you can accuse everybody is too, you are the only one who has ordered me to leave. please grasp a the correct perspective on language and words. there are more proof to suggest bruce was a fighter than any of his students, his students never fought any real fights, but we at least know bruce from testimonies from creditable individuals that he has been engaged in real fights through out his life.

[legkicker01]

Don't talk like you actually witnessed Lee fought for real. If someone actually saw him fight, then his/her opinion can be respectable. But you and your fellow Geek Kune Doers cannot command the same kind of respect. Besides, streetfighting is not something you are proud of or brag about. Stop live with the romantic notion of streetfighting and grow up.

[HDsharp]

I'm merely quoting from people who have seem bruce in action, i've never said i've seen bruce fight personally you suggested i have not to me. no street fighting is not legal you're right ts not something someone should be proud of hence why bruce was admittedly a bit of a thug in his time and why fights are not recorded.

[legkicker01]

You are not merely "quoting." You've been acting like a typical geek who is so obsessed with the so-called streetfighting prowess of the man who was never been proven as a fighter. He is dead. You cannot do anything about it. You should dedicate the rest of your life to something productive.

[HDsharp]

I think the unproven bit you say is really totally retarded and are in contrary to and contradicts comments you've made previously, the fact is bruce has proven himself to the experts in his time he was the real deal, otherwise the iwouldnt be the interst to joe's vids uploads, the fact joe is only famous by association to bruce and so is chuck and the fact I'm here debating as well....

[legkicker01]

No one doubts the fact that Lee was a dedicated student of martial arts, but he was not a fighter. Proven champions such as Joe Lewis do not need attention from a geek like you. People will remember Bruce Lee for his works on film. On the other hand, Lewis and others will be remembered for their contributions to the arts as well as their reputations as true champions.

[legkicker01]

It seems like training is the most neglected phase among the JKD people. Too much time is given to the meaningless discussion of how great BL was, and too little to the development of the practitiners for participation.

[HDsharp]

BTW, At least I've reached a level where i'm a standard to teach. I will be working with pro boxers quite soon. I dont think I had the time before.

[legkicker01]

Oh, yeah? Then, you should start dedicating your life for that endeavor. You'd better stop preaching how great Bruce Lee was in a Joe Lewis clip. This is not what an instructor or coach is supposed to do.

[HDsharp]

Jesus christ, you sound like a the old man.

[legkicker01]

Jesus Christ, you sound like a real geek.

[legkicker01]

Who are you talking about?

[989kok]

2 be onest his own style of fighting

isn't that bad but he lack's confedince in his burst's (didn't mean 2 insult any of u).

my most formal regard's (bowing) ^^

[HumanStrategy]

What's with the music at the beginning? It makes the video so cheesy.

[butterp7]

My only problem with Joe Lewis was him turning down the Colt role in WOTD. He said he felt Bruce was trying gain and further his own philosphies at the expense of American fighter and he didn't believe a man of Bruce's stature would win agains a man of Joe' stature. But my thing is, isn't that the very essence of martial arts. That size doesn't matter and that what it boils down to is skill.

[legkicker01]

Size does matter sometimes,not always. Because there are some like Benny Urquidez,who defeated much bigger opponents in the early days of full-contact competition. Norris was better suited for the role because of his Korean background with the emphasis of spinning kicks. However, using someone like Norris set a bad example as well. Before Bruce Lee came into the picture, champions like Norris and Lewis commanded respect. After Bruce, we've seen too many non-fighter types in magazines.

[butterp7]

Those are good points but another point is that Bruce said in life you cannot pick your opponent and they're not always your size. I think Joe Lewis missed the point and took a slightly arrogant stand on it.

[legkicker01]

Guys, relax. This is a Joe Lewis clip. If you want to talk about Bruce Lee, then go somewhere else. There's absolutely no way for us to know how Bruce could have fared against Joe Lewis or any other known fighters. So don't waste your time and energy on meaningless discussions. Instead just go back to your training hall to get yourself in fighting shape. Joe Lewis has much more to offer other than his training with Bruce. We should talk more about them.

[WarriorBoy]

I agree. I hate what if discussions. You might as well be talking Superman vs. the Hulk.

[jimmychuang]

Was he better than Norris?

[lucidmist]

bruce lee fought in a college boxing competition, and he beat the reigning heavyweight champion of 3-years who outweighed him.

just cos he never fought big competitions doesn't mean he couldn't fight. you never took part in a cycling competition, but you sure as hell can cycle right?

[legkicker01]

he never boxed for the college he attended. However, he boxed for his high school,and he never faced a heavyweight opponent.

[quickmantan]

i garantee no lightwieght or welterwight could beat a heavywieght in boxing, but a garantee bruce lee can.. of cause he didnt fight heavy wieght in boxing he was not heavy weight dumb ass...

bruce could punch and kick the shit out of a 300lb bag....

joe lweis chuck norris and bob wall all know bruce was the best,. chuck norrsi admited bruce would beat him and said NOONE could beat Bruce... dont be jealous cause he aint white....

mojority of people that dont believe bruce lee are white!!!

[quickmantan]

i ex boxer once met bruce lee also, he was judgeing bruce much like joe lewis on his size and laughed at bruce and thought he could take him down... he out wieghed bruce by aliot, he said he has never been scared of anyone and never lost a fight, so he was convidence he would teach bruce a lesson...

so bruce said ok attack me whatever you want...

and in a matter of secounds bruce tied him up so he couldnt even throw a punch at bruce and he said if bruce was serious he would have killed him.

[legkicker01]

It's really amazing way too many people point out how Bruce Lee influenced Joe Lewis, or Lee was a better fighter than Lewis,etc in vertually every one of Joe Lewis clip. It's true Lee taught Lewis briefly, and Lewis gives credits to Lee for teaching him. But being a fighter is totally different matter. Comparing Lewis and Lee is like comparing Mike Tyson and Cus D'Amato. Lee was never a fighter, but had some fabulous ideas for martial arts.

[quickmantan]

without bruce joe would ever of gotten as good as he did, he still is not as good as bruce lee, thats why he took lessons of bruce...

but joe lewis ia a bitter jelous back stabbing gutless twat..

bruce taught him all that and he turns around and slags bruce lee off. and lies about how bruce wasnt a real fighter. this guy is full of shit id knock him out anyday

[JakeHustle2]

Lee was a fighter! Maybe you should research more about Bruce Lee before you say his not a fighter! In case you didnt know, he is the founder of Jeet Kune Do, a street fighting martial art! Bruce Lee was street fighter in hong kong! Tornament and street fighting is very different matter, tournament has rules, whereareas street fighting has no rules which Bruce Lee practiced.

[legkicker01]

There's no such thing as street fighters. You can be either street gang or ordinary citizen who happened to defend himself/herself in bad situation. Fight on the street is not what you are proud of. It's something you have to avoid at all cost. In self-defense situation, you don't have to rely on your martial arts skills.

You don't have to be a fighter to defend yourself. Lee might have had some trouble in his youth, but we cannot make any objective evaluation of him as a fighter.

[Mananandata]

great clip!

[hasanshukur]

wat about bruce lee his style was differnt eh but joe lewis cnt beat a shaolin monk u know da score mates..?

[shadmofo]

This fags aren't even fighting. Their seeing who can stay in a fucking circle.

[wing0120022000]

Joe was never a kenpo practitioner. Joe worked with Bruce in the backyard of Bruce's house, never at Parker's studio.

[DumpTruckX]

Karate does not = Fighting

Boxing does not = Fighting

They equal karate and boxing.

Vale Tudo and MMA are about as close as you can get to an "all things go" environment. Even they can be considered sports (especially MMA) because of the advent of more rules for fighter safety.

[obitus]

Combat, or fighting, is purposeful violent conflict intended to establish dominance over the opposition. Now either your just stupid or you didn't know what what the word fighting meant, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[DumpTruckX]

I will challenge this 'fighter' anyday haha.

[shadmofo]

Put me on the ground and I will bight you....Then you will get off of me....Then we will stand up.....Then you will wish you knew how to box. You won't take a boxer down anyway because he'll knock your ass out with a check hook. No MMA fighters hands considered lethal weapons. Boxing=Best for street fights.

[mzkch]

your wrong coz u can get caught in a clinch easily

[shadmofo]

Been caught. Bit. Got out. Search shad cramer on google. 3rd in the nation 2004 kansas city G gloves. I've been in 46 street fights. I'm telling you, Thai boxing/western boxing are most practical. Bite and smash balls then get up. simple as that.

[DumpTruckX]

Because Royce Gracie, whose wrestling and takedowns are horrid, was definitely check hooked and annhilated on his way to....oh my bad he took down a boxer (Art Jimmerson) and subbed him immediately haha. Back in the days when you could fish hook and ball punch to your hearts delight. You are fighting a bunch of cans on the street. Whoopty goddamn doo.

[shadmofo]

Could you bight back then? No didn't think so. Now Royce maybe the one guy who wouldn't let you go if you tore his nose off and spit it out, but anyone else would. The regional champs I fought and stopped weren't tin cans. What are your credentials?

[DumpTruckX]

Regional champs at what? You must be living in a fucking kool-aid reality if you don't understand that there are 100s of videos of grappler vs. striker that can be found just about anywhere. Presuming you are going to one punch KO everyone is hilarious at best.

[RoyalTCrown]

Regional boxing champs. Name one video of a grappler VS.

#1 p4p striker. It would be as short night for the grappler. WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS? Because it looks like you have no experience.

[DumpTruckX]

Amateur MMA and I have trained for more than 7 years at several MMA gyms. I think you have this belief that being able to strike will keep you up right against someone who is a top notch grappler. The best of K-1 have crossed over to MMA and had very mixed results.

[lococavasa]

lets face a reality of street fighting vs war fightining and mma if you have 7 yrs mma exp im sure you can understand are please except that much of what you see is not put into reality mma teaches grapple i could kill a person in 1 strike. enbodied with this knowledge the possibilities are indless. This is not fighting this is war.

[DumpTruckX]

Haha sure thing, champ. Are you using the force? MMA teaches "mixed (meaning multiple) martial arts". That would mean more than just grappling.

[MarcusDBrutus]

Kimbo vs Ray Mercer. Kimbo took him down and tapped him out.

[quickmantan]

yer but didnt you see kimbo get beat by the shitty white ex UFC fighter..

[MarcusDBrutus]

1. That was way before he started training in MMA.

2. That just goes to show that even a shitty white ex-UFC fighter is better than a pro boxer.

[quickmantan]

what the hell is our point??

joe lewis is a lying jock end of story

[MarcusDBrutus]

Somee guy challenged me to name one grappler vs one pound for pound striker. I guess Kimbo doesn't really count as a grappler, but he beat Ray Mercer with grappling.

[quickmantan]

i think kimbo is good, he lost cause he had no stamina, and if your sticking up for kimbo you very mistken , the argument is bruce lee was better than joe lewis,

however kimbo didnt submit mercer,,, he basically nearly snaped his arm off.... if any other UFC fight did that they would win also, most UFC fights are controlled it shows true skill and martial arts....

kimbo is a street fighter and just goes for the kill much like bruce lee... but bruce also had speed stamina and control

[MarcusDBrutus]

We can all agree that Bruce was one of the best and most influential martial artists, but you're wrong about Kimbo vs Mercer. He tied him up in the corner and locked on a perfect guillotine. Ray tapped.

[shadmofo]

You don't have to one punch them, that's the whole point of my argument. If you don't one punch them and they take you down you can bite them and get back up. Guess who else said that, Bruce Lee.

[DumpTruckX]

Then I guess Bruce Lee never created Jeet Kune Do. He just put out a manual that said "if you bite people, they immediately stop destroying you and let you up".

[DumpTruckX]

Also, what credentials did Bruce Lee even have? He fought in kung fu tourneys and was a movie actor.

[mthai66]

Lee never fought in any Kung Fu tourney.

[blutobelushi]

joe lewis is also a master level grappler.he was 30 years ago dumbasses...

[narusux]

It's Lewis' cocky demeanor i never liked. he bashed Bruce Lee, and there are morons who go with what this guy says, meanwhile in interviews he contradicts himself at times when it comes to BL. His skill is way up there, I don't question that, but I have much more respect for Rickson Gracie in that side, especially since he took the risk of having an open challenge with any style, pretty much no rules.IF you can beat Rickson, please video tape it, THAT guy is worlds away and HUMBLE!

[shicack]

What did he say about Bruce Lee?..

[phenompiano88]

he said he could beat Bruce Lee

[subway6935]

Ed Parker's system may have utilized economy of motion, and it may even have been parker's term, but the concept of economy of motion is a wing chun concept. I'm sorry, Brude didnt learn this from Ed, he learned it from yip man

[DeadlyHands]

i hate the way he point spars.. with their hands down. im not sayin im better cuz he wooped every1s ass but im just sayin i hate how he spars. lol

[peaceatpeace]

Joe Lewis the legend is simply the best and he is still in great shape and a great fighter at over 60.

[dayjo325]

A fighting legend? More like a side kick and back fist legend.

[subway6935]

a ref once asked Joe, "why do you only use a side kick and a back fist?" he replied, "why not they aint blockin those!." Why throw your whole arsenal if what you're currently using works. I know its hard for people of this generation to understand how great he was seeing these few films, but if you read his books and articles and listen to his bideos you'll see why.

[555mvp]

Sloppy? Lewis was the definition of economic. His technique was crisp and to the point. That's why he defeated Norris on more than one occasion.

[floydmichaelmoss]

wrong norris only lost 5 fights 1 to lewis and then he avenged that loss if he beat him again it was outside the ring

[baldrascal]

who did chuck norris loose to in his five fights

[1g5a22]

cos you can do better right???like to see anyone come close to what this guy achieved,,,along with rob kaman(kickboxing)bill superfoot wallace,benny urquidez and fedor emelianenko he is without doubt one of the greatest martial artists of all time

[1g5a22]

sorry fella that last comment was meant for that floydmichael or whatever guy.

[floydmichaelmoss]

not impressed to sloppy and he loses to chuck norris

[asimpson1]

Joe Lewis truly is the Father of American Karate.