Hey! Thanks for this video. Appreciated you thoughtfulness and perspective on class and masculinity. One thing I didn't hear you talk about was race. As a darker skinned person, I keep wondering if within a higher socioeconomic context people with my complexion and racial background would be able to feel as confident that their bodies are not being as scrutinized. I don't know or want to assume your racial identity but I'd love to hear your thoughts or experience with race, class, & masculinity?
@SpringOfAshes Thanks for your comments. I talk a little about race in my video "Male femininity, class, and race," but it might not be what you're looking for. One of the things I've learned comes with light skin privilege in a high SES context is that I can, for example, walk around with sweatpants on or look like I just rolled out of bed and not be perceived as a threat by my neighbors. Darker skinned colleagues speak of "having" to dress professional where for me it feels like a choice.
I think because you weren't born a man and you have had to work so hard on a physical, mental and spiritual level to get to where you are, you don't take it for granted and thus have some incredible insights. I am in constant awe when I watch and listen to Transmens stories because you have to have incredible faith in who you are regardless of your physical appearance and fluid ll
that's really interesting, i live in the south, and work in a very rural area, and the majority of the guys, and especially the guys-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid, are physically big, muscular guys, mostly due to the heavy physical labor most of them do for a living. i wonder how i would feel different about myself if i were around guys who valued intellect more.
this was all full of very big words & supremely deep when i'm just looking to find out where trans-men order their dicks from. nevertheless, it made me think! you're spot on with the whole lower class hyper-macho thing. i think that's why i feel i can retain my feminine traits like my manner of speaking & somewhat emotional softness. i was raised upper middle class, but i've always worked for my things, i understand the value of a dollar enough to manifest the resources for all my own needs.
Your video gives me hope! This video especially helped me because i currently go as an undergrad to a bourgie school and found a similar observation about masculinity in that environment. Thanks again for posting.
Does your trans-studies class have a sociological focus? I'm just curious because I'm planning on teaching a "Sociology of transgenderism" class at my university in the fall (we have student-initiated classes here, so that's what it'd be). BTW I love all of your videos, they are the perfect blend of the personal/political/academic.
Thank you for the compliment. Yes, my trans class has somewhat of a sociological focus - but it's a relatively interdisciplinary course in that it has history, lit crit, film and media, and psychology materials. Good luck with your soc of transgenderism course :)
what an amazing topic! admittedly, i was nervous to view this, just due to generalizations that are often made, but i really appreciated your point of view.
i'm originally from a rural, working class town in minnesota and i feel huge pressure to bind and pack at all times when i'm there. the things i wear even change. i am in burlington and at UVM, so i guess there couldn't be more of a polar opposite, but it never crossed my mind to think about it as a manifestation of class.
i'm glad you watched the video and thanks for your comments. I'm wondering what generalizations you're thinking of. I have my assumptions...but you know what happens when you assume. ha ha.
i think there are just a lot of generalizations made about lower class folks, nothing specific to what you said. being at uvm, ive heard a lot of priveldged people in an academic setting talk about class in a way that ends up sounding entitled and classist, even though they may think otherwise. again, i didnt mean for that to sound like you were coming off that way.
question: is that your new office? cuz dude, you need more decorations aside from that shelf behind you that looks EXACTLY like my "dissertation books" shelf ;)
Fascinating! Makes total sense, even though I've never really thought about this... I don't usually make it all the way through vlogs but this one caught my attention. Thanks for sharing your insight. I'm so happy you are feeling comfortable.
That's really, really interesting. I love stuff relating to socio-economic class because it's so strange how far-reaching it is.
Kind of off-topic but somewhat related: if you haven't already, you should read Outliers. It's basically all about how socio-economics affects out success.
Oddly enough this sheds light on this need I have of expressing my sense of self through my clothing. As a gay male I dressed in a manner of affluence to sort of balance my natural lack of masculinity. As a trans woman that same sense of dress is considered conservative and doesn't work as well. It seems my worth as a woman is measured through my sexuality. My social & class placement doesn't seem to matter as much.
Great point! I imagine if you were dressing in a way that was seen as "too sexual," you would be assumed to be of lower/working class... so I don't think they're entirely unrelated, but the relationship between sexuality and power is definitely different for men and women as you illustrate :) thanks for your comment.
I am curious how feminine persentation changes depending on the economic status of people. I don't really know what I can say about it, at this point.
very interesting, the packing thing....i pack in certain kind of pants. lol. dress pants. oh and every once in awhile in tight jeans when i go to a gay bar...but now i am not single so i don't encourage men to grab my crotch. haha
that does make sense that you would experience this shift in that particular environment....it's always interesting the way masculine power manifests.
Hey! Thanks for this video. Appreciated you thoughtfulness and perspective on class and masculinity. One thing I didn't hear you talk about was race. As a darker skinned person, I keep wondering if within a higher socioeconomic context people with my complexion and racial background would be able to feel as confident that their bodies are not being as scrutinized. I don't know or want to assume your racial identity but I'd love to hear your thoughts or experience with race, class, & masculinity?
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@SpringOfAshes Thanks for your comments. I talk a little about race in my video "Male femininity, class, and race," but it might not be what you're looking for. One of the things I've learned comes with light skin privilege in a high SES context is that I can, for example, walk around with sweatpants on or look like I just rolled out of bed and not be perceived as a threat by my neighbors. Darker skinned colleagues speak of "having" to dress professional where for me it feels like a choice.
reesekelly 3 months ago
Sorry, fluid like adaptability. What An amazing journey it must be.
Imfromfrankston 1 year ago
I think because you weren't born a man and you have had to work so hard on a physical, mental and spiritual level to get to where you are, you don't take it for granted and thus have some incredible insights. I am in constant awe when I watch and listen to Transmens stories because you have to have incredible faith in who you are regardless of your physical appearance and fluid ll
Imfromfrankston 1 year ago
that's really interesting, i live in the south, and work in a very rural area, and the majority of the guys, and especially the guys-at-the-top-of-the-pyramid, are physically big, muscular guys, mostly due to the heavy physical labor most of them do for a living. i wonder how i would feel different about myself if i were around guys who valued intellect more.
HappyHyperHippie 1 year ago
this was all full of very big words & supremely deep when i'm just looking to find out where trans-men order their dicks from. nevertheless, it made me think! you're spot on with the whole lower class hyper-macho thing. i think that's why i feel i can retain my feminine traits like my manner of speaking & somewhat emotional softness. i was raised upper middle class, but i've always worked for my things, i understand the value of a dollar enough to manifest the resources for all my own needs.
BonesDGAF021 1 year ago
Your video gives me hope! This video especially helped me because i currently go as an undergrad to a bourgie school and found a similar observation about masculinity in that environment. Thanks again for posting.
agoodma1234 2 years ago
Enjoyed your vid. My partner knows exactly what you mean!
icaleod 2 years ago
Does your trans-studies class have a sociological focus? I'm just curious because I'm planning on teaching a "Sociology of transgenderism" class at my university in the fall (we have student-initiated classes here, so that's what it'd be). BTW I love all of your videos, they are the perfect blend of the personal/political/academic.
Zakabre18 2 years ago
Thank you for the compliment. Yes, my trans class has somewhat of a sociological focus - but it's a relatively interdisciplinary course in that it has history, lit crit, film and media, and psychology materials. Good luck with your soc of transgenderism course :)
reesekelly 2 years ago
what an amazing topic! admittedly, i was nervous to view this, just due to generalizations that are often made, but i really appreciated your point of view.
i'm originally from a rural, working class town in minnesota and i feel huge pressure to bind and pack at all times when i'm there. the things i wear even change. i am in burlington and at UVM, so i guess there couldn't be more of a polar opposite, but it never crossed my mind to think about it as a manifestation of class.
davinsokup 2 years ago
hey Davin,
i'm glad you watched the video and thanks for your comments. I'm wondering what generalizations you're thinking of. I have my assumptions...but you know what happens when you assume. ha ha.
reesekelly 2 years ago
i think there are just a lot of generalizations made about lower class folks, nothing specific to what you said. being at uvm, ive heard a lot of priveldged people in an academic setting talk about class in a way that ends up sounding entitled and classist, even though they may think otherwise. again, i didnt mean for that to sound like you were coming off that way.
davinsokup 2 years ago
awesome video. i'm glad someone is talking about how class intersects with gender and all this...very important stuff.
acariya924 2 years ago
Really great vid, thanks. Very interesting.
littlefastcar 2 years ago
sooo interesting. wow.
question: is that your new office? cuz dude, you need more decorations aside from that shelf behind you that looks EXACTLY like my "dissertation books" shelf ;)
abtompki 2 years ago
I'm only here for another two months so I'm not so invested in making my office look pretty. Maybe when I have a real job.
reesekelly 2 years ago
haha fair enough... i wasn't sure how long you were there. when you're all famous with a real job your office will be awesome!
abtompki 2 years ago
Fascinating! Makes total sense, even though I've never really thought about this... I don't usually make it all the way through vlogs but this one caught my attention. Thanks for sharing your insight. I'm so happy you are feeling comfortable.
MeikoEliasXavier 2 years ago
Thanks and I'm glad you watched it :) Good to hear from you too. Hope you are doing well.
reesekelly 2 years ago
Very interesting, Reese. Love your videos!
jsqur 2 years ago
As always, thanks for posting this. You always bring up some interesting topics and points.
maf1214 2 years ago
interesting observation you made there!
SHeroK2 2 years ago
I'm glad your experiencing positive events in your life =)
josephtristan 2 years ago
Im a guy and i feaing loveeee youuuu. ur hot
josephtristan 2 years ago
That's really, really interesting. I love stuff relating to socio-economic class because it's so strange how far-reaching it is.
Kind of off-topic but somewhat related: if you haven't already, you should read Outliers. It's basically all about how socio-economics affects out success.
PandyFackleresque 2 years ago
what an interesting observation. Thanks for sharing.
KrisES46 2 years ago
Yay for liberal-based smaller rural schools. =] Glad to hear you're doing well besides the immense stress but you'll be okay.
JayTeeNY12 2 years ago
Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Reese. :)
xxthread 2 years ago
Great video Reese. You're looking great!
0HeyJude0 2 years ago
thanks buddy :)
reesekelly 2 years ago
Oddly enough this sheds light on this need I have of expressing my sense of self through my clothing. As a gay male I dressed in a manner of affluence to sort of balance my natural lack of masculinity. As a trans woman that same sense of dress is considered conservative and doesn't work as well. It seems my worth as a woman is measured through my sexuality. My social & class placement doesn't seem to matter as much.
knarigirl 2 years ago
Great point! I imagine if you were dressing in a way that was seen as "too sexual," you would be assumed to be of lower/working class... so I don't think they're entirely unrelated, but the relationship between sexuality and power is definitely different for men and women as you illustrate :) thanks for your comment.
reesekelly 2 years ago
I am curious how feminine persentation changes depending on the economic status of people. I don't really know what I can say about it, at this point.
Forlorn79 2 years ago
very interesting, the packing thing....i pack in certain kind of pants. lol. dress pants. oh and every once in awhile in tight jeans when i go to a gay bar...but now i am not single so i don't encourage men to grab my crotch. haha
that does make sense that you would experience this shift in that particular environment....it's always interesting the way masculine power manifests.
agnostichaos 2 years ago