The well known Holiday is commonly known as Christmas. That's the reason they say it. Not "Oh hey, fellow Christian! Jesus was born today! ISn't that great?!"
Don't assume every Christian operates the same way. This is why people assume Atheists are arogant, which they aren't.
I will never say happy holidays. CHRIST should remain in CHRISTmas. He's the reason for the season. Without the birth of Christ I would not be forgiven of my sins and neither would you.
@mickey42743 LOL...I love seeing statements like these. The irony is just YUMMY!
"Christ" was NEVER the "reason" for the season. The REASON was the winter solstice and then Christianity HIJACKED the event. ANY Biblical scholar will admit that there is NO WAY that Jesus was born in December. Care to take a guess why? Hint: Most scholars put it either in the Spring with a few claiming the Fall.
@KingHeathen You are missing the point. We can't possibly know the exact date of His birth. The important thing is that we have a time together to celebrate the birth of Christ.
@mickey42743 JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTMAS. IT WAS CELEBRATED WAY BEFORE CHRIST. SANTA CLAUSE IS THE COMPETING GOD SATURN. EVEN BIBLICAL SCHOLARS WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS SAY CHRIST WAS BORN IN AUGUST. FYI I WAS BORN ON CHRISTMAS EVE.
After watching this video by this kingheathen, I believe it would be a waste of time for everyone to express their justifiable dismay at this characters display of drug induced rants on video. My advice is to click the thumbs down button and help this fellow on his way to getting some help.
@Tbvck I've never done illegal drugs and hardly ever even take aspirin or any other OTC drugs...nice attempt at an ad hominem...now, would like to address the actual POINTS that I bring up or are you out of ideas already?
After watching this video by this kingheathen, I believe it would be a waste of time for everyone to express their justifiable dismay at this characters display of drug induced rants on video. My advice is to click the thumbs down button and help this fellow on his way to getting some help.
Honestly, I believe being told to say "happy holiday" is junk. I think you should be able to greet people according to the dictates of your faith (or lack thereof). I don't take offense when someone says Happy "insert holiday" to me, whatever /shrug.
While I am a Christian... I do have an issue with pagan rituals/symbology overtaking Christmas. I think we Christians need to get back to basics on the celebration of the birth of Christ. So hard to push against traditions :(.
@johnland82 I'm sorry, but did you say that you thought pagan symbols were OVERTAKING Christmas? You DO realize that Christmas IS a pagan holiday that got HIJACKED by Christianity, right?
All Biblical scholars will tell you that there is NO WAY Jesus was born on 12/25.
If you want to know more about that, including how your Christmas tree is in direct defiance of your Bible's commands, watch "The Christmas Tree."
King Heathen says Christmas is not a religious holiday, and all the religious people have a fit. I ask anyone out there claiming to be a Christian, what is your Christianity based on? If your Christianity is based on Christ than this should not bother you. Why should one day be any different than another? If Your goal is to honor Christ with your life you should be doing so every day, worshiping God everyday, not just one day a week "Sunday" or a certain time of year "christimas"
I know that this is the truth, but a lot of people REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT TRUTH. For this reason we will have a hard time healing mankind. Not enough participants.
personally while i am an atheist i am not offended in any way when someone tells me merry christmas, because i really just think of it as have a nice day, although happy holidays does make more sense i dont think anyone should loose their job over somehting as stupid and insignificant as a greeting
Man u r the dumbest and most annoying mf in America.. Let people say what they want.. Its a tradition! Even peoplp who lead the most sinful lives and dnt believe an ounce of religion say merry christmas. Its a free country! Thats the beauty of it dumbass! Merry Christmas to all haha! n if ur bored come to small southern town n try that happy solstice thing out.. I think the results would be pretty funny.. check out my comment on ur top 10 reasons..
Yeah, I do the "Happy Solstice" thing too. Most of my friends have even started saying it to me first. One minister I know (who doesn't celebrate Christmas because he knows it's a BS holiday) wishes me a happy solstice and I wish him a happy vacation.
I am both Pagan and Athiest (sounds weird, but hay, its just how i look at the universe, I'm not gonna preach what that is). Anyway, people say "happy Christmas" to me, I dont get mad, they have a right to say that. I just reply "and a happy new year to you", or if im being daft I'll say "bhah humbug" and laugh about it.
resident...that's a very flat-minded and ridiculously generic statement to make about ALL SOLDIERS. Are there some? Sure. But it's equivalent to being a racist to say that all are the same. You may want to revise your statement.
the military has it properganda maybe the coment went to far but at the same time it is a profiling tool
it leads more to us against them, the ideal is that the crimes of a few are making everyone look bad
I don't think that calling all black people stupid raises college enrollment, wouldn't you agree?
So what advantage is there to say "ALL soldiers have no honor"? All you do is disenfranchise soldiers that would support you.
It's the same thing as when you are talking to a religious person and trying to make a point, but you say "All religious people are stupid"...is that person even going to consider your opinion from that point?
Good...lord... You make it seem like every Christian who says "Merry Christmas" is "pushing their beliefs!!!" An extremely small minority may have the problem with getting mad over saying "happy holidays", but that's not how it is for the most part at all. If you take offense to "Merry Christmas" then..haha I don't even know. There are so many atheists that celebrate christmas as well, but then there are those like you who have to be made a public case and just desire the attention.
...ok.. i completely understand your position but Merry Christmas can and is used as a universal happy holiday, i say Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah, Solistace (etc.) to the people, it is not divisive it is fune with them and with me...
again, the point wasn't to offend the person...just to remind them that there are other holidays too. IF that person was one of these "War on Christmas" idiots...then they might just get it. If they aren't, then they wouldn't care that I said "Happy Hanukkah".
Found this channel; interesting. Question, do you know what heathen means? It means an irreligious, uncultured, uncivilized person. Why would a respectable person use this title? Are you proud of being uncultured and uneducated? I would recommend you change your name to KingAtheist or KingAgnostic; whichever you are.
this is splitting hairs... say Merry (whatever fucking holiday you celebrate). People who get offended at Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays both need to grow the fuck up.
By the way solstice has religious origins... maybe as an atheist, you can celebrate Festivus, a secular nondenominational winter holiday.
At the same time, don't you have to say that "People who get offended at Happy Hanukkah need to grow the fuck up" as well?
I'm not offended by someone wishing me a happy December 25th, not matter what they call it. I simply want to point out their hypocrisy if they feel it NECESSARY to do so based on religious convictions instead of "well wishes"
Exactly... I wouldn't get offended at Happy Hanukkah.. I was speaking in the context of all holidays.. It sounds idiotic to get offended at BOTH saying Happy (wrong holiday) and not saying Happy (right holiday).
As for those who feel the need to say Merry Christmas out of religious conviction, you can never know for sure unless you have telepathy. Plus, I'd assume that if they were truly religious, they'd follow their greeting up with some sort of witnessing Gospel tract a la VenomFangX.
I noticed my comment had loads of cuss words.. I apologize for the nature of it.. I guess I had a "for the last time!" moment because I had told many Christians the same thing over and over again but they didn't get it and persisted there was some sort of "War on Christmas" they invented in their heads.
Keep up the great work so far. I'm still subscribed even if we disagree on ONE thing. lol
"Plus, I'd assume that if they were truly religious, they'd follow their greeting up with some sort of witnessing Gospel tract a la VenomFangX."
90% of Christians pay lip service to their religion. The true believers take time out of their day to "witness" (whatever that is) to people. The ones who only feel pressured by their clergymen but don't want to take it too far will rationalize away some sort of halfway point by just saying "Merry Christmas." Either way, religion loses.
if anything the soldiers who come back should thank people for not spitting on them"
War in it's nature is evil, but it is not evil for to defend yourself or save people's lives through agression. You can often see the worst in people when the government puts people in life or death situations. But the government is more responsible for making the decision of war.
And don't give me any of this Iraqi war bullshit. I've had enough of people mock the military and people's sacrifice just because we have an unpopular war.
resident...that's a very flat-minded and ridiculously generic statement to make about ALL SOLDIERS. Are there some? Sure. But it's equivalent to being a racist to say that all are the same. You may want to revise your statement.
Are you censoring my comments KH? I find it disrespectful in the highest degree to gerneralize soldiers as evil or dishonoring people. It's ok to accuse leaders who send people to evil wars as being evil, but to make such a sweeping label on all those people who sacrifice for our country as evil? I don't get offended my much idiodic statements said on you tube, but I find this assanine right next to condoning child malestationin.
No shit KH. I was saying all that because I made kind of a nasty response to that anti war fruit cake that seems to have been deleted. I don't really care that much, but I really want to know why it is gone. I wouldn't assume you would censor comments except I don't know how else it could be gone.
I didn't remove it...so I couldn't tell you. I remember a rather stern response from you...I don't know if it's the same one you are referring to...try clicking on "View all comments" and searching there. (if you haven't already)
"learn how to spell. Didn't the nuns teach you that in Catholic school."
I spell a lot better than many people I see on you tube. Are those the best insults you can give me? Btw, I'm not religious and I don't care to spell check my messages for your asses.
"if soldiers don't want to be made fun then they should regain their lost honor
the soldiers who killed a kid in Texas a few years
Ohio state when soliders opened fire on unarm civilains
soldiers need to get their act together"
If you think it is unjust to claim Atheists are evil because people like Stalin killed millions of people, why do you make the same prejudice kind of statement against soldiers? Individuals do evil, not necessarily always the beliefs or institutions.
my father and brother were and they are both ashamed of the military
MP's selling drugs to school children
MP's shooting unharmed men and getting away with it
and after president Bush tortureing prisoners of war and breaking the Geneva Convention
these are rules to protect the foot soldiers to see my country turn into a quasi Nazi regeem and the Military turned into the Third Reich makes me puke
I can get discusted with the military like I can get discusted with politicians. But the fact of the matter is we need defence and we need a democracy built by the constitution no matter how flawed it is. Attacking the system is better than going after the institution itself.
Others have pointed this out, but I will, too. I think that anyone doing these things should be careful to not inflict a guilt trip on people saying Merry Christmas, especially here in the United States.
Most people here celebrate Christmas in one form or another, even if they don't actively follow Christianity. It's easy to subconsciously jump to the conclusion that everyone celebrates it. Not saying King Heathen or anyone else said this, though.
Christmas has always been easy for my family. We discard the Biblical content and simply enjoy each other presence (presents are cool too!). If it weren't for celebrating Christmas, than I think the only holidays non-Religious within the USA could celebrate are Thanksgiving and Fourth of July; not too many "gorge yourself like a pig" holidays, so why would we want to discard one of them?!
Christmas is such a wonderful and joyous holiday of tree decorating and gift giving - for PAGANS!!! I just about chuckled when I learned the xmas tree is a solstice tree - how classic!!
I think this largely applies to a situation that exists in the USA, maybe?
Where I live, in Britain, we are mostly all atheists or agnostics or just couldn't care less :-)
Ok, there are a few Christians, but very few fundamentalists, thank god (!) :-)
BUT! Anyone who said 'Happy Holidays' is likely to get some very strange looks and be dismissed as a politically correct nutcase. I say 'Merry Christmas'. We take the traditions from paganism, why not borrow the name from Christianity?
Footnote: One of my neighbours wished me Merry Christmas today. She is a Muslim and she knowns full well I am an atheist... I didn't give it a second thought until today - and neither did she I'm sure. Who cares? Over here it isn't a loaded greeting, it carries no religious payload...
I grew up n/t USA-Christian - watching X-mas based TV & MOVIES. The VAST MARKET is CHRISTMAS ORIENTED. Most, if not all, HOLLYWOOD MOVIES are about CHRISTMAS!
Until recently, it didn't occur to me that NOT EVERYONE celebrates CHRISTMAS. And really - until this video, it didn't occur to me that saying :MERRY CHRISTMAS: to a NON-CHRISTIAN person might be INAPPROPRIATE.
In this same lite - I don't think ALL CHRISTIANS are trying to be OFFENSIVE.
Freedom of Speech happens to be one of the few nice things about this country. I can say what I want, to whom I desire, regardless of who it includes or doesn't include. The same goes for you, and everyone else.
People like you, are the exact reason atheists are ther most hated and least trusted minority group in the U.S.
Tell me where it says in our constitution "you can say what you want, as long as it includes everyone", then i'll tell you you're right. You can't though!
Walk up to a 3 year old girl and say "Hey, wanna fuck?" Let's see where your "free speech" gets you.
I'm not saying that you SHOULD NOT wish people a Merry Christmas. Words are words. If you say "Merry Xmas" and I reply "Happy Hanukkah" and we both understand that we can each say what we want, then nothing happens. But if you are one of these Christians that is offended that someone else might not celebrate your holiday, THEN the point will be made.
I have nothing to prove to someone who believes in nonsense. Replying to them, regardless of the reason, seems to me, pointless.
Does it truly bother you that someone says merry christmas to you; or even that some christians are offended by those who do not celebrate their stolen holiday?
The freedom of speech comparison you gave is something totally different. Saying that to a child constitutes a crime, thus you can't say it. Uttering merry christmas to someone, is not a crime.
On occasion, I have the "X-mas Talk" with a Jehovah's Witness. They don't celebrate! As a matter of fact, anything that's FUN - they don't celebrate!
Anyway - they always explain the PAGAN HOLIDAY thing.
I always respond - WELL, DON'T STOP THERE! The DAYS OF THE WEEK are named after PAGAN DEITIES! The MONTHS OF THE YEAR, too! Don't you guys adhere to THE CALENDAR? Or do you have your own little JW-CALENDAR that you keep secret?
People think that winter is Israel is four foot snow deep, therefore there could not be any sheep outside at that time. This is simply not true. Winter is the green season there, the season for grazing. Summer is too hot and dry and grazing is difficult. It is colder, so the Shepherds would then move their flocks into the hills and rather than keep moving them back to town would stay with them in the field. I think the green season is from November to April!
Also, I went on one of those -when will your baby be born-sites, and did a calculation, and It turns out that a baby conceived during the day time on March 25th will most likely be born at or around midnight on December 24th. Interesting. I am Half Austrian, and we have always celebrated Christmas on Dec 24th.
It actually makes a lot more sense that December 25th was chosen because it is exactly nine months after the Annunciation, which has been celebrated on March 25 for longer than we've been celebrating Christmas.
No, you are wrong. There is something that doesn't make sense, about the date. The pagans would have noticed if their holiday got moved from December 21st ----Winter Solstice---- to December 25th, because the sun would have been in the wrong position in the sky. So it seems unlikely that Christmas was assigned to December 25 to supplant a pagan holiday, since it's four days too late for that.
I'm an atheist, however, I absolutely disagree with you.
Simply because not everyone is a christian, you think they shouldn't be allowed to say what they want? Well, not everyone is an atheist. I do not wish to have someone tell me I can't say what I want because it offends others who aren't atheists.
If you don't want to say "merry christmas", then don't, but don't try to muffle others from saying it.
I support everyone's freedom of speech, even if I disagree with what they're saying.
You missed the key element of this...it's about people that REFUSE to say happy holidays in retail stores. The ones that declare that there is "A war on Christmas." I'm not talking about your Aunt Sally talking to you.
Basically, you're saying; people who work in the public sector (more specifically, retail stores) shouldn't have a freedom of speech.
I know christians like to "bitch" about many things, as they do. It makes one feel compelled to drop to their level and cry about things as well. However, I believe we are above christians, thus, I do not stoop to their level.
i.e. - I say come up to someone that says "Merry Christmas" and I reply "Happy Hanukkah" to them. If they go about their day, then everything is happy and "kosher" (so to speak)...if they are offended that I would mention something against THEIR religion, then they understand why pushing THEIR religion over another's isn't appropriate.
It's about INCLUSION, not "freedom of speech". They can say what they want as long as they don't require others to go along with it.
I do not understand where you get that; just because they make a statement regarding christmas, it somehow means they're forcing their religion on you. No one is coming to your home, making you listen to their garbage. It's a public place.
"They can say what they want as long as they don't require others to go along with it". The last time I checked, they aren't holding pistols to everyone's head, forcing them to reply. You can ignore them, you know.
KH's comment below about inclusion says what I'm about to say, too...
When they initially say Merry Christmas, it may or may not include an assumption that the listener is Christian. If you respond with a non-Christian response, and they take offense to your response, then they aren't acknowledging *your* freedom of speech.
Certainly in the area where I grew up, people *do* put social pressure on you to acknowledge Christmas, as a Christian event.
In bible school (almost 30 yrs ago) I was shocked to learn that Christmas and Easter were originally pagan and that Christ was probably born in September at about the time of Jewish new year. Makes sense. What moron shepherds would be out at night in mid winter snow and frost.
you are right. Nobody believes me! i say christmas has nothing to do with christianity. Its a mashup of pagan holidays and other religious holidays like you said. I dont like the idea of ppl saying "merry christmas" in stores either. I share most of the same opinions as you. Thank you for posting this video.
Hilarious. You actually take yourself seriously don't you? Get over yourself. If you really care that much about someone saying Merry Christmas to you, than you need to either move to a third world country and start your own regime, or fly to the moon and start your own colony. I'm sorry buddy, but Christmas is a part of our culture, and it's not going away.
People who obsess about hating Christians are misguided fools too.They are the same types of people who evoke the names of "Bush" and "Hitler" and "big oil" like parrots...
I can criticize Christianity ALL day long.I have no use for any religion in fact.
I,however,am not one dimensional.Religion,Bush,Hitler,big oil,...ALL distractions to what's really going on in the world.
It really is as Niezsche said: "It is INDECENT to be a Christian now." The resemblences of Christianity and the Jesus myth to pagan heroes of old are legion! Jesus was born on 12/25. So was Dionysus, Horus, Mithras and Krishna. ALL of the aforementioned dieties were also born of virgins, had 12 disciples, were crucified, remained dead for 3 days and were then ressurected. And the astonishing part is: this imformation is NOT HARD TO FIND!! iT'S NOT HIDDEN AWAY!
Haha, good ol' Nietzsche. He was a very wise, misguided, and troubled man. He was a good observer, and he actually LIVED what he believed as an atheist.
Answer this question: Why do think the influence of Christ's "mythology" (as you seem to deem it) has been so blatantly profound throughout history?
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean the influence of Christianity specifically as a religion, or the influence of the "virgin birth on 12/25/12diciples/cricifixion/dead for 3 days/resurrection" bit that's found in the gods of so many cultures and in so many periods throughout history?
I would love to answer both, but alas!- I have not sufficient room to undertake the endeavor! Let me know which one and I'll answer. If you want the long reply I'll send you a PM. If not, I'll squeeze it in.
Well, really what I was asking has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the actual historical occurrence of Jesus Christ's influence on the immediate Mediterranean region, and consequently.. the world. This concerns directly what is recorded in the Bible as fact, specifically the resurrection. You have to be able to explain the explosion of belief away somehow--I am curious how you do it.
I would be intrigued to hear the long reply, but it's up to you.
Okay thats the stupidest thing ive heard. if i wish someone a merry christmas im wishing them a merry christmas not one of their holidays, if they dont celebrate christmas then so be it but ill still wish them a merry christmas because thats what I celebrate. Just political correctness gone too far. I wouldnt mind someone telling me happy honica or winter solstace, i'm not having another religion restrict my own and it should work vice versa too. People just cant coexist can they? Its pathetic.
BINGO! What's wrong with just saying "Happy Holidays" so that you include EVERYONE and not make an issue out of it and demanding that there is a "WAR ON CHRISTMAS" (note the title of the video) that is trying to take Christianity out of the Pagan holiday.
i didnt miss the point i just dont want to have to say happy holidays, just because it includes everyone doesnt mean it makes everyone happy. It's their problem if their offended, not mine. I'm glad i live in england where no one bothers with this stupid political correctness around christmas. If people could coexist they wouldnt have to say happy holidays they would be able to live with hearing happy christmas or happy honica, even if they celebrate a different holiday to whatevers mentioned.
It's kinda funny because my initial response is something along the lines of "well, its more about the spirit of Christmas so in saying merry Christmas its really the same thing as happy holidays"
But I wouldn't like everyone telling me happy quanza (spelling?) or whatever, and the hypocrisy ensues.
I see your point. But even though Im an atheist I wouldnt be offended if someone told me "Have a merry christmas." why would someone get offended by that? Someone is just wishing you a merry day. it may not be YOUR day but its theirs..unless youre wearing a "I celebrate kwaanza!" how is someone gonna know? Pretty soon no one will be able to say anything to someone for fear of "upsetting" them.
I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas, and have no problem saying "Merry Christmas". But still, I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch over others saying "Happy Holidays". That solutation has been used for as long as I can remember. And atheists celebrating Christmas is not hypocritical. We celebrate the secular aspects (e.g.gifts, family, dinner) of it, which... come on! is the only part that really matters. Most of us grew up celebrating it and we think it's fun.
that was my point on another one of his posts. its fun..I exchange gifts with my pagan/native friend who hates any organized religion but he grew up with it and he actually is a phenominal gift giver for an old hippie. you buy gifts drink and be merry and the next year file taxes and maybe get return to recover to balance things out and plus this is when my family who is completly spread out comes together..and then we can catch up and meet al the new additions as well which is always fun.
I need to read up on Quanza, the only other holiday I know details about it Honnika, and I probably mispelled that... and badly! Hell, I probably mispelled them both.
everybody celebrated the solstice BEFORE christmas was even thought of. All those traditions are not christmas traditions they are pagan traditions that were stolen by the christains you idiot
To my knowledge, the christmas celebration...thingies were stolen from the pagan celebration. I believe that it was considered blasphemous for christians to hang stuff up on trees like the pagans did. There was a letter from some bishop or priest long ago, bitching about it that I got to read. The lad really needed to take a chill pill.
SC, can you please name me one part of the traditions of Christmas that was uniquely Christian that SHOULD happen on Dec 25th?
It WAS NOT Jesus' birthday, if the story is true. Any scholar will tell you that. Do some studying on where the tree, stockings, gift giving, decorations, santa, elves, etc all came from...NONE of it was Christian.
Jesus could have been born on march 6th for all i know...but we celebrate his birth on dec.25th...we are about to celebrate the coming of the year 2009...but the world is much older then that...why so angry?
Christians aren't really celebrating their savior's birth, they're celebrating gift-giving and tree decorating and other sort of secular fun stuff. They pay lip service to Jesus, to be sure, but he's not the "reason for the season." Pagans did it first, Christians stole it so to help convert pagans, and voila. You get a mish-mashed holiday that most of its celebrants don't even know where it came from.
Who cares what it's called? Christmas, hanuka, WHATEVER! The concept should be, that people are sending a showing a little good intention towards each other. Surprising someone with a gift, spending more time with your family, that's what this holiday is about, warming our hearts while our hands freeze from the cold.
Then the religious nutcases start screwing this one up too.
war on christmas? honestly who cares in my neck of the woods less of a religious thing more of a spend time with your family and a fat guy in a red suit with reindeer giving gifts kind of thing. so for me its not a religious event, i guess it just depends on how/where you were raised. The time of year I say screw the news, hangout and cook with family and just relax and not think about anything horrible happening in the world... and get gifts cause i'm a materialistic whore lol
Curious, why are nearly all of my coworkers celebrating Christmas with a good many of them being Atheists?
Again, hate knows no end and even my holiday can't hide from it. If someone wishes you well with the message of the season and YOU who don't have a belief...just say "thanks" and walk by.
Youtube is the only place in my experience where atheists and theists are constantly bickering. When we have a celebration in school, nobody bickers about the origins and hates everybody for it. The celebration spans numerous beliefs, races, and cultures without problems. However, on Youtube, everybody has brass balls and free airtime to bitch at leisure.
But it was my community, too, and I feel this is the kind of forum where talking about it is healthy. Why shouldn't atheists take a stand on issues like this? Why shouldn't we stand up and say, "Hey! We have a place here, too. This is how we feel."
The feelings are not new for us. What is new is now we are being heard, thanks to a forum where we cannot be easily silenced. It is also less confrontational than a face to face debate, don't you think?
At an event I went to in graduate school - a completely secular event - some of my classmates decided to inject a bit of religion by singing a Christian hymn. Now, being an atheist, this made me feel very excluded from the community that up until that point had been pretty comfortable for me. Still, it was an important event at our school, and I didn't want to ruin it for people by making a fuss over the song, which I knew would be meaningful for a lot of people there.
The Bible does not instruct me to celebrate this holiday or any day except for the Sabbath. I only do so because it glorifies my God and brings my family together.
Why I have no problem with Christmas: It doesn't involve any sinfull activities, it glorifies Christ, it preaches the gospel message which calls Men and God to Reconcile.
And Heathen, you have no problem with celebrating a Pegan holiday...just a Christian holiday. Again, dealing with hate when someone only wishes you good.
WG, when did I say I had a problem with the holiday? My point was on idiots that think it is Christian based instead of Pagan based and cry because people try to make it more inclusive of other people (which was why Christians plagiarized it to begin with.)
I despise the idea that working on a certain day is damning. I'm a minimum-wage slave; I have no choice but to work on Sundays if my boss tells me to. And I'll have to work on Christmas night, too. Paycheck, or a spot in heaven? I'll take the money, thanks.
dude ur just guna have to live wiht it, cause wihtouth christmas our echonomy would fail, thats why mainly christian countries thrive so much, they have a mini echonomic boom every year, if u take that away well loose our money lol i agree wiht u but we need it to keep the advantages we are enjoying on order to slate religeon. GOD ISNT REAL, jus leitn ya know whos side im on :)
Without Christmas, people will still celebrate the winter holiday on the 25th all the same. Why? Because all "Christmas" is is spending time with your family & friends, giving gifts, tree decorating, having a feast, etc. These are all Pagan traditions. It has been like this since the very beginning & now. All you'd be doing is changing the name of the holiday.
China & Japan (Atheist countries) have better economies than the US.
In Sweden we have Lucia on the 13th of December. Not even this day is truly christian despite Lucia being a saint (well, I don't even believe there has ever existed a Lucia who ripped her eyes out). The 13th used to be winter solstice a long time ago and it was a time when youth stayed up all night and went from house to house singing carols and was given a gift or some money.
I always liked the school's Lucia celebration more than the Christmas celebration, because when else are you going to get out of class in the middle of the day and gingerbread cookies in school before lunch time? =D
Plus after the lunch we usually had either Lucia buns or more gingerbread cookies for dessert. :P
Later, in the 1920 the name Lucia came into the picture. But still it is not religious, it was simply made up by some students at Uppsala University based on the old traditions of Lussebrud = The bride of light - which I was describing above.
I love Christmas... when I'm in Japan. Here lots of people celebrate it as a completely secular event, mostly as a romantic thing for couples or for the children if it's a family. Only a very small minority of people in Japan are Christian, and so I almost never run into people pushing religion on me. I had enough of that growing up in the US.
Hailing from Texas, I'm envious of you for that reason alone... I'm still here and still putting up with the daily onslaught of people basking in their local religious dominance.
King Heathen, continue on with your preaching (in a non-forceful, open, and logic-abiding way, as always!).
And happy holidays to all who find joy in this time of year for whatever the reason.
I live the region where this originated So I know all too well what it means
Joel log (yule log) literally:Wheel Log. they threw berries over them it completely burned,ashes were spread over crop fields to get a good crop season
Mistletoe: Mother of solar god Baldur, Frigga. Her tears grew mistletoe berries, and was used to cast of spirits
Lights:used to cast of spirits of dead people
Gifts:Joel feast and feast in honor of Mithras
Baubles:used for invocation of the shaman on winter solstice
I live the region where this originated :) So I know all too well what it means, and your right.
Do you know what the Bauble's are for? They have 2 meanings in my culture: The witch Bauble who is afraid of her own mirror image, and the Bauble in the tree which was used to:
That's also why many irish catholics have a circle behind their cross, as they used to worship the sun, and to make conversion easier that circle was added.
The well known Holiday is commonly known as Christmas. That's the reason they say it. Not "Oh hey, fellow Christian! Jesus was born today! ISn't that great?!"
Don't assume every Christian operates the same way. This is why people assume Atheists are arogant, which they aren't.
emmaleepwns 10 months ago
I will never say happy holidays. CHRIST should remain in CHRISTmas. He's the reason for the season. Without the birth of Christ I would not be forgiven of my sins and neither would you.
mickey42743 1 year ago
@mickey42743 LOL...I love seeing statements like these. The irony is just YUMMY!
"Christ" was NEVER the "reason" for the season. The REASON was the winter solstice and then Christianity HIJACKED the event. ANY Biblical scholar will admit that there is NO WAY that Jesus was born in December. Care to take a guess why? Hint: Most scholars put it either in the Spring with a few claiming the Fall.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen You are missing the point. We can't possibly know the exact date of His birth. The important thing is that we have a time together to celebrate the birth of Christ.
mickey42743 1 year ago
@mickey42743 "Exact" date? You aren't even CLOSE! It amazes me that you compartmentalize the facts in front of you so tightly.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@mickey42743 JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTMAS. IT WAS CELEBRATED WAY BEFORE CHRIST. SANTA CLAUSE IS THE COMPETING GOD SATURN. EVEN BIBLICAL SCHOLARS WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS SAY CHRIST WAS BORN IN AUGUST. FYI I WAS BORN ON CHRISTMAS EVE.
zacharykelway 4 months ago
After watching this video by this kingheathen, I believe it would be a waste of time for everyone to express their justifiable dismay at this characters display of drug induced rants on video. My advice is to click the thumbs down button and help this fellow on his way to getting some help.
Tbvck 1 year ago
@Tbvck I've never done illegal drugs and hardly ever even take aspirin or any other OTC drugs...nice attempt at an ad hominem...now, would like to address the actual POINTS that I bring up or are you out of ideas already?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
After watching this video by this kingheathen, I believe it would be a waste of time for everyone to express their justifiable dismay at this characters display of drug induced rants on video. My advice is to click the thumbs down button and help this fellow on his way to getting some help.
Tbvck 1 year ago
Honestly, I believe being told to say "happy holiday" is junk. I think you should be able to greet people according to the dictates of your faith (or lack thereof). I don't take offense when someone says Happy "insert holiday" to me, whatever /shrug.
While I am a Christian... I do have an issue with pagan rituals/symbology overtaking Christmas. I think we Christians need to get back to basics on the celebration of the birth of Christ. So hard to push against traditions :(.
johnland82 1 year ago
@johnland82 I'm sorry, but did you say that you thought pagan symbols were OVERTAKING Christmas? You DO realize that Christmas IS a pagan holiday that got HIJACKED by Christianity, right?
All Biblical scholars will tell you that there is NO WAY Jesus was born on 12/25.
If you want to know more about that, including how your Christmas tree is in direct defiance of your Bible's commands, watch "The Christmas Tree."
KingHeathen 1 year ago
King Heathen says Christmas is not a religious holiday, and all the religious people have a fit. I ask anyone out there claiming to be a Christian, what is your Christianity based on? If your Christianity is based on Christ than this should not bother you. Why should one day be any different than another? If Your goal is to honor Christ with your life you should be doing so every day, worshiping God everyday, not just one day a week "Sunday" or a certain time of year "christimas"
sixgunjony 1 year ago
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@sixgunjony My Christianity is based on the bible. Are you a Christian?
ladivadivala 1 year ago
YOUR A DOUCHEBAG!
ya888 1 year ago
@ya888 Wow did you think that up all by yourself? That is great....now run along and play, grown ups are talking.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
mithras!!!
slappysquirrel321 2 years ago
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TLSlayer 2 years ago
I know that this is the truth, but a lot of people REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT TRUTH. For this reason we will have a hard time healing mankind. Not enough participants.
MichaelX2007 2 years ago
I celebrate christmas because.....um....i like presents?
skitchdrews 3 years ago
@skitchdrews lol me too
Roberttrusket 1 year ago
How about you not ruin Christmas.
jfletch567 3 years ago
do you really think that I have the power to "ruin Christmas"????
I'm a guy on YouTube expressing an opinion....what are you so afraid of?
KingHeathen 3 years ago
if you have a problem with 2000 years worth of religious freedom,
DEAL WITH IT, DUMBASS!!!!!!!
desperadosofphoenix 3 years ago
WHAT FREEDOM!? Christianity repeatedly tried to snuff out other religions and force their opinions on US!
PHvlogger 2 years ago
personally while i am an atheist i am not offended in any way when someone tells me merry christmas, because i really just think of it as have a nice day, although happy holidays does make more sense i dont think anyone should loose their job over somehting as stupid and insignificant as a greeting
XxTeamNearxX 3 years ago
As a Christian I absolutely agree with you stating that Chrismas is a pagan holiday and I do not celebrate it.
nebuersirob 3 years ago
You forgot to mention that Easter originated as a pagan holiday.
straightshots 3 years ago
Man u r the dumbest and most annoying mf in America.. Let people say what they want.. Its a tradition! Even peoplp who lead the most sinful lives and dnt believe an ounce of religion say merry christmas. Its a free country! Thats the beauty of it dumbass! Merry Christmas to all haha! n if ur bored come to small southern town n try that happy solstice thing out.. I think the results would be pretty funny.. check out my comment on ur top 10 reasons..
johnnydave4ever 3 years ago
YEAH! Let people say what they want...calling people by racist names...That's TRADITION! Let them say what they want! It's a FREE COUNTRY!
Do you see your hypocrisy?
IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! I can say "Happy Hanukkah" if I want to! Let people say what they want!
Moron.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
No one forced you to watch this video - nor did anyone force you to look it up.
straightshots 3 years ago
Yeah, I do the "Happy Solstice" thing too. Most of my friends have even started saying it to me first. One minister I know (who doesn't celebrate Christmas because he knows it's a BS holiday) wishes me a happy solstice and I wish him a happy vacation.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I am both Pagan and Athiest (sounds weird, but hay, its just how i look at the universe, I'm not gonna preach what that is). Anyway, people say "happy Christmas" to me, I dont get mad, they have a right to say that. I just reply "and a happy new year to you", or if im being daft I'll say "bhah humbug" and laugh about it.
Really, its no big deal.
chthonios 3 years ago
KingHeathen
resident...that's a very flat-minded and ridiculously generic statement to make about ALL SOLDIERS. Are there some? Sure. But it's equivalent to being a racist to say that all are the same. You may want to revise your statement.
the military has it properganda maybe the coment went to far but at the same time it is a profiling tool
it leads more to us against them, the ideal is that the crimes of a few are making everyone look bad
residentmagnum 3 years ago
I don't think that calling all black people stupid raises college enrollment, wouldn't you agree?
So what advantage is there to say "ALL soldiers have no honor"? All you do is disenfranchise soldiers that would support you.
It's the same thing as when you are talking to a religious person and trying to make a point, but you say "All religious people are stupid"...is that person even going to consider your opinion from that point?
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Good...lord... You make it seem like every Christian who says "Merry Christmas" is "pushing their beliefs!!!" An extremely small minority may have the problem with getting mad over saying "happy holidays", but that's not how it is for the most part at all. If you take offense to "Merry Christmas" then..haha I don't even know. There are so many atheists that celebrate christmas as well, but then there are those like you who have to be made a public case and just desire the attention.
TheChristianDefender 3 years ago
"An extremely small minority may have the problem with getting mad over saying 'happy holidays'"
So they wouldn't get offended about me saying "happy Hanukkah" then would they? Why do so many of you miss that detail?
KingHeathen 3 years ago
It seems to me that atheists has all days as holidays or no day.
But dont take my word for it, think for yourselves :)
KarinMikazuki 3 years ago
...ok.. i completely understand your position but Merry Christmas can and is used as a universal happy holiday, i say Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah, Solistace (etc.) to the people, it is not divisive it is fune with them and with me...
OptionalTest 3 years ago
again, the point wasn't to offend the person...just to remind them that there are other holidays too. IF that person was one of these "War on Christmas" idiots...then they might just get it. If they aren't, then they wouldn't care that I said "Happy Hanukkah".
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Found this channel; interesting. Question, do you know what heathen means? It means an irreligious, uncultured, uncivilized person. Why would a respectable person use this title? Are you proud of being uncultured and uneducated? I would recommend you change your name to KingAtheist or KingAgnostic; whichever you are.
hmarquiss 3 years ago
And I would recommend that you relook up the word for it's ORIGINAL meaning...
Also, if you want to know why I chose that name, watch "Meet King Heathen"...I cover it there
KingHeathen 3 years ago
this is splitting hairs... say Merry (whatever fucking holiday you celebrate). People who get offended at Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays both need to grow the fuck up.
By the way solstice has religious origins... maybe as an atheist, you can celebrate Festivus, a secular nondenominational winter holiday.
tubeheadz1 3 years ago
At the same time, don't you have to say that "People who get offended at Happy Hanukkah need to grow the fuck up" as well?
I'm not offended by someone wishing me a happy December 25th, not matter what they call it. I simply want to point out their hypocrisy if they feel it NECESSARY to do so based on religious convictions instead of "well wishes"
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Exactly... I wouldn't get offended at Happy Hanukkah.. I was speaking in the context of all holidays.. It sounds idiotic to get offended at BOTH saying Happy (wrong holiday) and not saying Happy (right holiday).
As for those who feel the need to say Merry Christmas out of religious conviction, you can never know for sure unless you have telepathy. Plus, I'd assume that if they were truly religious, they'd follow their greeting up with some sort of witnessing Gospel tract a la VenomFangX.
tubeheadz1 3 years ago
I noticed my comment had loads of cuss words.. I apologize for the nature of it.. I guess I had a "for the last time!" moment because I had told many Christians the same thing over and over again but they didn't get it and persisted there was some sort of "War on Christmas" they invented in their heads.
Keep up the great work so far. I'm still subscribed even if we disagree on ONE thing. lol
tubeheadz1 3 years ago
"Plus, I'd assume that if they were truly religious, they'd follow their greeting up with some sort of witnessing Gospel tract a la VenomFangX."
90% of Christians pay lip service to their religion. The true believers take time out of their day to "witness" (whatever that is) to people. The ones who only feel pressured by their clergymen but don't want to take it too far will rationalize away some sort of halfway point by just saying "Merry Christmas." Either way, religion loses.
tubeheadz1 3 years ago
Merry Jesus Day!
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
Happy Present Day
December 25
New Athesist holiday
residentmagnum 3 years ago
"New Athesist holiday"
Are their any atheist holidays? It seems like atheists need to start a religion in order to have benefits and protection by the government.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
any day to get out of work is a holiday and no one needs a religon to have holidays
Valintines day is a candy holiday
Veterns day a day for baby killers to feel good about themselves
June teenth is not a religous holiday
residentmagnum 3 years ago
"Veterns day a day for baby killers to feel good about themselves"
You are a disgrace to the people that risk their lives for the well being of our country. Fuckin anti-war douche bag.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
look solders don't have honor anymore
the Vietnam war has proven that and Black Water
these people are evil
if anything the soldiers who come back should thank people for not spitting on them
residentmagnum 3 years ago
"look solders don't have honor anymore
the Vietnam war has proven that and Black Water
these people are evil
if anything the soldiers who come back should thank people for not spitting on them"
War in it's nature is evil, but it is not evil for to defend yourself or save people's lives through agression. You can often see the worst in people when the government puts people in life or death situations. But the government is more responsible for making the decision of war.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
your right don't punish the foot soldiers they were just following orders like Hilter's SS the Governments are to blame
residentmagnum 3 years ago
And don't give me any of this Iraqi war bullshit. I've had enough of people mock the military and people's sacrifice just because we have an unpopular war.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
if soldiers don't want to be made fun then they should regain their lost honor
the soldiers who killed a kid in Texas a few years
Ohio state when soliders opened fire on unarm civilains
soldiers need to get their act together
residentmagnum 3 years ago
resident...that's a very flat-minded and ridiculously generic statement to make about ALL SOLDIERS. Are there some? Sure. But it's equivalent to being a racist to say that all are the same. You may want to revise your statement.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Are you censoring my comments KH? I find it disrespectful in the highest degree to gerneralize soldiers as evil or dishonoring people. It's ok to accuse leaders who send people to evil wars as being evil, but to make such a sweeping label on all those people who sacrifice for our country as evil? I don't get offended my much idiodic statements said on you tube, but I find this assanine right next to condoning child malestationin.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
No Lotus...as indicated by the first word, my comment was directed at "resident" magnum...not you.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
No shit KH. I was saying all that because I made kind of a nasty response to that anti war fruit cake that seems to have been deleted. I don't really care that much, but I really want to know why it is gone. I wouldn't assume you would censor comments except I don't know how else it could be gone.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
I didn't remove it...so I couldn't tell you. I remember a rather stern response from you...I don't know if it's the same one you are referring to...try clicking on "View all comments" and searching there. (if you haven't already)
I only delete spam.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
"I didn't remove it"
You're right :) I found it. Mostly creationists Christians censor stuff on you tube.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
learn how to spell. Didn't the nuns teach you that in Catholic school.
ath2006345 3 years ago
"learn how to spell. Didn't the nuns teach you that in Catholic school."
I spell a lot better than many people I see on you tube. Are those the best insults you can give me? Btw, I'm not religious and I don't care to spell check my messages for your asses.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
"if soldiers don't want to be made fun then they should regain their lost honor
the soldiers who killed a kid in Texas a few years
Ohio state when soliders opened fire on unarm civilains
soldiers need to get their act together"
If you think it is unjust to claim Atheists are evil because people like Stalin killed millions of people, why do you make the same prejudice kind of statement against soldiers? Individuals do evil, not necessarily always the beliefs or institutions.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
LotusGreenX
the defense that soldiers and police use
it was addrinaline
I was just following orders
Hey if people have souls and My believes are ok but I feel that soldiers have sold their souls
residentmagnum 3 years ago
Are you implying my father, who served 23 in the US Army, is without your questionalbe definition of "honor?"
raynelycan 3 years ago
my father and brother were and they are both ashamed of the military
MP's selling drugs to school children
MP's shooting unharmed men and getting away with it
and after president Bush tortureing prisoners of war and breaking the Geneva Convention
these are rules to protect the foot soldiers to see my country turn into a quasi Nazi regeem and the Military turned into the Third Reich makes me puke
residentmagnum 3 years ago
I can get discusted with the military like I can get discusted with politicians. But the fact of the matter is we need defence and we need a democracy built by the constitution no matter how flawed it is. Attacking the system is better than going after the institution itself.
LotusGreenX 3 years ago
Others have pointed this out, but I will, too. I think that anyone doing these things should be careful to not inflict a guilt trip on people saying Merry Christmas, especially here in the United States.
Most people here celebrate Christmas in one form or another, even if they don't actively follow Christianity. It's easy to subconsciously jump to the conclusion that everyone celebrates it. Not saying King Heathen or anyone else said this, though.
AdrianIsaacs 3 years ago
Christmas has always been easy for my family. We discard the Biblical content and simply enjoy each other presence (presents are cool too!). If it weren't for celebrating Christmas, than I think the only holidays non-Religious within the USA could celebrate are Thanksgiving and Fourth of July; not too many "gorge yourself like a pig" holidays, so why would we want to discard one of them?!
Happy Festivus folks =)
-Eddie
ZergrushEddie 3 years ago
Christmas is such a wonderful and joyous holiday of tree decorating and gift giving - for PAGANS!!! I just about chuckled when I learned the xmas tree is a solstice tree - how classic!!
Have a very Merry Winter Solstice!!
:)
solorenergy 3 years ago
Merry Yule!
iwantemout 3 years ago
I think this largely applies to a situation that exists in the USA, maybe?
Where I live, in Britain, we are mostly all atheists or agnostics or just couldn't care less :-)
Ok, there are a few Christians, but very few fundamentalists, thank god (!) :-)
BUT! Anyone who said 'Happy Holidays' is likely to get some very strange looks and be dismissed as a politically correct nutcase. I say 'Merry Christmas'. We take the traditions from paganism, why not borrow the name from Christianity?
SAHBfan 3 years ago
Footnote: One of my neighbours wished me Merry Christmas today. She is a Muslim and she knowns full well I am an atheist... I didn't give it a second thought until today - and neither did she I'm sure. Who cares? Over here it isn't a loaded greeting, it carries no religious payload...
SAHBfan 3 years ago
Thats interesting because we have Boatloads of wacky fundamentalists here in America!
TheAgnosticAspie 3 years ago
I grew up n/t USA-Christian - watching X-mas based TV & MOVIES. The VAST MARKET is CHRISTMAS ORIENTED. Most, if not all, HOLLYWOOD MOVIES are about CHRISTMAS!
Until recently, it didn't occur to me that NOT EVERYONE celebrates CHRISTMAS. And really - until this video, it didn't occur to me that saying :MERRY CHRISTMAS: to a NON-CHRISTIAN person might be INAPPROPRIATE.
In this same lite - I don't think ALL CHRISTIANS are trying to be OFFENSIVE.
Like ME - THEY DON'T THINK!
HAPeMILL 3 years ago
I guess I should say:
THANK YOU KING HEATHEN for pointing that out!
HAPPY SOLSTICE?
HAPeMILL 3 years ago
Freedom of Speech happens to be one of the few nice things about this country. I can say what I want, to whom I desire, regardless of who it includes or doesn't include. The same goes for you, and everyone else.
People like you, are the exact reason atheists are ther most hated and least trusted minority group in the U.S.
Tell me where it says in our constitution "you can say what you want, as long as it includes everyone", then i'll tell you you're right. You can't though!
JarrodGordon20 3 years ago
Jarrod, try this one for me...
Walk up to a 3 year old girl and say "Hey, wanna fuck?" Let's see where your "free speech" gets you.
I'm not saying that you SHOULD NOT wish people a Merry Christmas. Words are words. If you say "Merry Xmas" and I reply "Happy Hanukkah" and we both understand that we can each say what we want, then nothing happens. But if you are one of these Christians that is offended that someone else might not celebrate your holiday, THEN the point will be made.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I have nothing to prove to someone who believes in nonsense. Replying to them, regardless of the reason, seems to me, pointless.
Does it truly bother you that someone says merry christmas to you; or even that some christians are offended by those who do not celebrate their stolen holiday?
The freedom of speech comparison you gave is something totally different. Saying that to a child constitutes a crime, thus you can't say it. Uttering merry christmas to someone, is not a crime.
JarrodGordon20 3 years ago
you missed the point Jarrod.
Re-read my reply to you as well as my latest reply to tubeheadz1 and try to understand the deeper issue.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
i am a christian but it is pretty funny how like 90% of christians think that christmas is an original religion.
pbeasr 3 years ago
On occasion, I have the "X-mas Talk" with a Jehovah's Witness. They don't celebrate! As a matter of fact, anything that's FUN - they don't celebrate!
Anyway - they always explain the PAGAN HOLIDAY thing.
I always respond - WELL, DON'T STOP THERE! The DAYS OF THE WEEK are named after PAGAN DEITIES! The MONTHS OF THE YEAR, too! Don't you guys adhere to THE CALENDAR? Or do you have your own little JW-CALENDAR that you keep secret?
HAPeMILL 3 years ago
FREEDOM OF SPEECH is one thing. It doesn't mean that its OK to walk up to a Jewish person & say, "I wish you'd spend time in a GAS CHAMBER!"
I think KING HEATHEN'S point is - SENSITIVITY! A quality that SELF-RIGHTEOUS, SELF-CENTERED RELIGIOUS FOLKS seem to lack!
HAPeMILL 3 years ago
People think that winter is Israel is four foot snow deep, therefore there could not be any sheep outside at that time. This is simply not true. Winter is the green season there, the season for grazing. Summer is too hot and dry and grazing is difficult. It is colder, so the Shepherds would then move their flocks into the hills and rather than keep moving them back to town would stay with them in the field. I think the green season is from November to April!
redpainter2 3 years ago
Also, I went on one of those -when will your baby be born-sites, and did a calculation, and It turns out that a baby conceived during the day time on March 25th will most likely be born at or around midnight on December 24th. Interesting. I am Half Austrian, and we have always celebrated Christmas on Dec 24th.
redpainter2 3 years ago
It actually makes a lot more sense that December 25th was chosen because it is exactly nine months after the Annunciation, which has been celebrated on March 25 for longer than we've been celebrating Christmas.
redpainter2 3 years ago
No, you are wrong. There is something that doesn't make sense, about the date. The pagans would have noticed if their holiday got moved from December 21st ----Winter Solstice---- to December 25th, because the sun would have been in the wrong position in the sky. So it seems unlikely that Christmas was assigned to December 25 to supplant a pagan holiday, since it's four days too late for that.
redpainter2 3 years ago
Watch my video called "The Christmas Tree"...I cover why Dec 21 NOW IS Dec 25th THEN.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I'm an atheist, however, I absolutely disagree with you.
Simply because not everyone is a christian, you think they shouldn't be allowed to say what they want? Well, not everyone is an atheist. I do not wish to have someone tell me I can't say what I want because it offends others who aren't atheists.
If you don't want to say "merry christmas", then don't, but don't try to muffle others from saying it.
I support everyone's freedom of speech, even if I disagree with what they're saying.
JarrodGordon20 3 years ago
You missed the key element of this...it's about people that REFUSE to say happy holidays in retail stores. The ones that declare that there is "A war on Christmas." I'm not talking about your Aunt Sally talking to you.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Basically, you're saying; people who work in the public sector (more specifically, retail stores) shouldn't have a freedom of speech.
I know christians like to "bitch" about many things, as they do. It makes one feel compelled to drop to their level and cry about things as well. However, I believe we are above christians, thus, I do not stoop to their level.
JarrodGordon20 3 years ago
That's bullshit Jarrod...
i.e. - I say come up to someone that says "Merry Christmas" and I reply "Happy Hanukkah" to them. If they go about their day, then everything is happy and "kosher" (so to speak)...if they are offended that I would mention something against THEIR religion, then they understand why pushing THEIR religion over another's isn't appropriate.
It's about INCLUSION, not "freedom of speech". They can say what they want as long as they don't require others to go along with it.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I do not understand where you get that; just because they make a statement regarding christmas, it somehow means they're forcing their religion on you. No one is coming to your home, making you listen to their garbage. It's a public place.
"They can say what they want as long as they don't require others to go along with it". The last time I checked, they aren't holding pistols to everyone's head, forcing them to reply. You can ignore them, you know.
JarrodGordon20 3 years ago
KH's comment below about inclusion says what I'm about to say, too...
When they initially say Merry Christmas, it may or may not include an assumption that the listener is Christian. If you respond with a non-Christian response, and they take offense to your response, then they aren't acknowledging *your* freedom of speech.
Certainly in the area where I grew up, people *do* put social pressure on you to acknowledge Christmas, as a Christian event.
kanzanagain 3 years ago
In bible school (almost 30 yrs ago) I was shocked to learn that Christmas and Easter were originally pagan and that Christ was probably born in September at about the time of Jewish new year. Makes sense. What moron shepherds would be out at night in mid winter snow and frost.
yarrw 3 years ago
you are right. Nobody believes me! i say christmas has nothing to do with christianity. Its a mashup of pagan holidays and other religious holidays like you said. I dont like the idea of ppl saying "merry christmas" in stores either. I share most of the same opinions as you. Thank you for posting this video.
bullyboy1863 3 years ago
Hilarious. You actually take yourself seriously don't you? Get over yourself. If you really care that much about someone saying Merry Christmas to you, than you need to either move to a third world country and start your own regime, or fly to the moon and start your own colony. I'm sorry buddy, but Christmas is a part of our culture, and it's not going away.
imanoutkast 3 years ago
Love your video :) You have my support!
flipflops2248 3 years ago
People who obsess about hating Christians are misguided fools too.They are the same types of people who evoke the names of "Bush" and "Hitler" and "big oil" like parrots...
I can criticize Christianity ALL day long.I have no use for any religion in fact.
I,however,am not one dimensional.Religion,Bush,Hitler,big oil,...ALL distractions to what's really going on in the world.
tinrooflighthouse 3 years ago
You misguided fool.
When I say merry christmas I say it as an agnostic,as an anti commercialism celebrator.
When I say MERRY CHRISTMAS it is a form of well wishing,MY wishing unto THEM the joy of MY holiday(MY as in what it means to me).
I don't celebrate Chinese New Year and I ,nor does ANYBODY I know,BITCH about that.
You sir are a bitch.
tinrooflighthouse 3 years ago
It really is as Niezsche said: "It is INDECENT to be a Christian now." The resemblences of Christianity and the Jesus myth to pagan heroes of old are legion! Jesus was born on 12/25. So was Dionysus, Horus, Mithras and Krishna. ALL of the aforementioned dieties were also born of virgins, had 12 disciples, were crucified, remained dead for 3 days and were then ressurected. And the astonishing part is: this imformation is NOT HARD TO FIND!! iT'S NOT HIDDEN AWAY!
It's indecent to be a Christian.
IvanTheHeathen 3 years ago
Haha, good ol' Nietzsche. He was a very wise, misguided, and troubled man. He was a good observer, and he actually LIVED what he believed as an atheist.
Answer this question: Why do think the influence of Christ's "mythology" (as you seem to deem it) has been so blatantly profound throughout history?
imanoutkast 3 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean the influence of Christianity specifically as a religion, or the influence of the "virgin birth on 12/25/12diciples/cricifixion/dead for 3 days/resurrection" bit that's found in the gods of so many cultures and in so many periods throughout history?
I would love to answer both, but alas!- I have not sufficient room to undertake the endeavor! Let me know which one and I'll answer. If you want the long reply I'll send you a PM. If not, I'll squeeze it in.
IvanTheHeathen 3 years ago
Well, really what I was asking has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the actual historical occurrence of Jesus Christ's influence on the immediate Mediterranean region, and consequently.. the world. This concerns directly what is recorded in the Bible as fact, specifically the resurrection. You have to be able to explain the explosion of belief away somehow--I am curious how you do it.
I would be intrigued to hear the long reply, but it's up to you.
imanoutkast 3 years ago
Very True, Good video KH
BBNLCB 3 years ago
Okay thats the stupidest thing ive heard. if i wish someone a merry christmas im wishing them a merry christmas not one of their holidays, if they dont celebrate christmas then so be it but ill still wish them a merry christmas because thats what I celebrate. Just political correctness gone too far. I wouldnt mind someone telling me happy honica or winter solstace, i'm not having another religion restrict my own and it should work vice versa too. People just cant coexist can they? Its pathetic.
hilljamie94 3 years ago
You missed the point jamie...
"People just cant coexist can they?"
BINGO! What's wrong with just saying "Happy Holidays" so that you include EVERYONE and not make an issue out of it and demanding that there is a "WAR ON CHRISTMAS" (note the title of the video) that is trying to take Christianity out of the Pagan holiday.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
Merry Christmas.
tinrooflighthouse 3 years ago
i didnt miss the point i just dont want to have to say happy holidays, just because it includes everyone doesnt mean it makes everyone happy. It's their problem if their offended, not mine. I'm glad i live in england where no one bothers with this stupid political correctness around christmas. If people could coexist they wouldnt have to say happy holidays they would be able to live with hearing happy christmas or happy honica, even if they celebrate a different holiday to whatevers mentioned.
hilljamie94 3 years ago
twat
BaconFiend86 3 years ago
It's kinda funny because my initial response is something along the lines of "well, its more about the spirit of Christmas so in saying merry Christmas its really the same thing as happy holidays"
But I wouldn't like everyone telling me happy quanza (spelling?) or whatever, and the hypocrisy ensues.
CloakedAlchemist 3 years ago
I see your point. But even though Im an atheist I wouldnt be offended if someone told me "Have a merry christmas." why would someone get offended by that? Someone is just wishing you a merry day. it may not be YOUR day but its theirs..unless youre wearing a "I celebrate kwaanza!" how is someone gonna know? Pretty soon no one will be able to say anything to someone for fear of "upsetting" them.
cosgirl22 3 years ago
Does that make you a pagan, KH? ;) joking.
Some how i doubt pagans decorated trees and gave each other presents before Christmas was hijacked.
I am more annoyed that the fact that it has now been hijacked by big companies and capitalist pigs who have commercialised it.
I am a Christian but i don't particularly "celebrate" it, i just like it when the family gets together :)
pastrydenn 3 years ago
I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas, and have no problem saying "Merry Christmas". But still, I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch over others saying "Happy Holidays". That solutation has been used for as long as I can remember. And atheists celebrating Christmas is not hypocritical. We celebrate the secular aspects (e.g.gifts, family, dinner) of it, which... come on! is the only part that really matters. Most of us grew up celebrating it and we think it's fun.
lololeela 3 years ago
I agree 100%.
Justinfh2point0 3 years ago
that was my point on another one of his posts. its fun..I exchange gifts with my pagan/native friend who hates any organized religion but he grew up with it and he actually is a phenominal gift giver for an old hippie. you buy gifts drink and be merry and the next year file taxes and maybe get return to recover to balance things out and plus this is when my family who is completly spread out comes together..and then we can catch up and meet al the new additions as well which is always fun.
cymbeli 3 years ago
I need to read up on Quanza, the only other holiday I know details about it Honnika, and I probably mispelled that... and badly! Hell, I probably mispelled them both.
Akulshae 3 years ago
I always laugh when people ask if I celebrate Christmas..."being an atheist and all" xD
StompinDino 3 years ago
What about Human Light? (google it)
atheistliberty 3 years ago
so let me get this,on solstice morning,do you open gifts? we see you have a solstice tree...
do you have solstice socks hanging on the fireplace? looks like you celebrate Christmas to me.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
everybody celebrated the solstice BEFORE christmas was even thought of. All those traditions are not christmas traditions they are pagan traditions that were stolen by the christains you idiot
0dignity69 3 years ago
we dont celebrate a pagan ritual.we destroyed thier day and took it over for our special day.see the difference?
stonedcommander 3 years ago
no you didn't destroy their day, you destroyed THEM. Just one of many other religions you killed off
0dignity69 3 years ago
personally i have never killed off any religion,but if you had your way you'd kill them all...right?
stonedcommander 3 years ago
and personally you have never destroyed the pagans special day. But since you used "we" I figured I would as well.
And no I wouldn't kill off all the religions, they do a good job of killing each other off already.
0dignity69 3 years ago
you are right about that.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
To my knowledge, the christmas celebration...thingies were stolen from the pagan celebration. I believe that it was considered blasphemous for christians to hang stuff up on trees like the pagans did. There was a letter from some bishop or priest long ago, bitching about it that I got to read. The lad really needed to take a chill pill.
Akulshae 3 years ago
SC, can you please name me one part of the traditions of Christmas that was uniquely Christian that SHOULD happen on Dec 25th?
It WAS NOT Jesus' birthday, if the story is true. Any scholar will tell you that. Do some studying on where the tree, stockings, gift giving, decorations, santa, elves, etc all came from...NONE of it was Christian.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
its all christian now,thats what matters.
do you and your faimily exchange presents on christmas or christmas eve or not at all?
stonedcommander 3 years ago
"its all christian now,thats what matters."
Are you trying for another Dodo Award? Do you have any clue how stupid that comment is?
Unbelievable!
KingHeathen 3 years ago
who cares about your cheap-o award show,you dont even have actual prizes,just your meaningless opinion.
christians today celebrate jesus' birthday,we did not clobber the pagans,christians from long ago did that.i like your christmas tree,very tasteful.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
SC, WAS JESUS BORN ON DEC25th?
Don't give me that BS.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
it matters not,dont you get that?
Jesus could have been born on march 6th for all i know...but we celebrate his birth on dec.25th...we are about to celebrate the coming of the year 2009...but the world is much older then that...why so angry?
stonedcommander 3 years ago
lol, hello again stonedcommander.
Christians aren't really celebrating their savior's birth, they're celebrating gift-giving and tree decorating and other sort of secular fun stuff. They pay lip service to Jesus, to be sure, but he's not the "reason for the season." Pagans did it first, Christians stole it so to help convert pagans, and voila. You get a mish-mashed holiday that most of its celebrants don't even know where it came from.
mjhacker 3 years ago
we do celebrate the birth of Jesus.
gift giving is a huge part of this celebration,yes.
but we all celebrate special days with gifts,right? it shows love and appreciation.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
anger has nothing to do with it...
it's the blatant ignorance that you walk around with that astounds me.
Learn WHY it was CHANGED to that date. Learn WHY you give gifts (and no, it has nothing to do with frankincense)
It's sad really that at your age you still don't realize that you have been lied to about all this.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
you may be right in everything you say.
but i,as a believer in Jesus celebrate his birthday on DEC.25th.
however man may have twisted and changed the facts,i still love god.
stonedcommander 3 years ago
"Learn WHY you give gifts"
WTF?!
You mean to say, "Learn what the reason was that began the association of giving gifts with Christmas tradition"?
Is that what you mean? Because I certainly already KNOW why I give gifts.
imanoutkast 3 years ago
It was a war on Saturnalia first.
Desertphile 3 years ago
Who cares what it's called? Christmas, hanuka, WHATEVER! The concept should be, that people are sending a showing a little good intention towards each other. Surprising someone with a gift, spending more time with your family, that's what this holiday is about, warming our hearts while our hands freeze from the cold.
Then the religious nutcases start screwing this one up too.
Baszottbivaly 3 years ago
And for the hell of it, Merry Christmas from an athiest, Happy Wintereenmas, and have a good New Years.
DieFinsternis 3 years ago
war on christmas? honestly who cares in my neck of the woods less of a religious thing more of a spend time with your family and a fat guy in a red suit with reindeer giving gifts kind of thing. so for me its not a religious event, i guess it just depends on how/where you were raised. The time of year I say screw the news, hangout and cook with family and just relax and not think about anything horrible happening in the world... and get gifts cause i'm a materialistic whore lol
DieFinsternis 3 years ago
it's time people accepted the truth. The bible's stories are total ripoff's.
7d7e7f7 3 years ago
Curious, why are nearly all of my coworkers celebrating Christmas with a good many of them being Atheists?
Again, hate knows no end and even my holiday can't hide from it. If someone wishes you well with the message of the season and YOU who don't have a belief...just say "thanks" and walk by.
WatchGuy7 3 years ago
Youtube is the only place in my experience where atheists and theists are constantly bickering. When we have a celebration in school, nobody bickers about the origins and hates everybody for it. The celebration spans numerous beliefs, races, and cultures without problems. However, on Youtube, everybody has brass balls and free airtime to bitch at leisure.
chert95 3 years ago
But it was my community, too, and I feel this is the kind of forum where talking about it is healthy. Why shouldn't atheists take a stand on issues like this? Why shouldn't we stand up and say, "Hey! We have a place here, too. This is how we feel."
The feelings are not new for us. What is new is now we are being heard, thanks to a forum where we cannot be easily silenced. It is also less confrontational than a face to face debate, don't you think?
kanzanagain 3 years ago
At an event I went to in graduate school - a completely secular event - some of my classmates decided to inject a bit of religion by singing a Christian hymn. Now, being an atheist, this made me feel very excluded from the community that up until that point had been pretty comfortable for me. Still, it was an important event at our school, and I didn't want to ruin it for people by making a fuss over the song, which I knew would be meaningful for a lot of people there.
kanzanagain 3 years ago
Would be the funniest thing if you splashed the text "MERRY CHRISTMAS" at the end of all that. lol
BiSensual 3 years ago
Oh, btw...
Merry Christmas!
BiSensual 3 years ago
The Bible does not instruct me to celebrate this holiday or any day except for the Sabbath. I only do so because it glorifies my God and brings my family together.
Why I have no problem with Christmas: It doesn't involve any sinfull activities, it glorifies Christ, it preaches the gospel message which calls Men and God to Reconcile.
And Heathen, you have no problem with celebrating a Pegan holiday...just a Christian holiday. Again, dealing with hate when someone only wishes you good.
WatchGuy7 3 years ago
WG, when did I say I had a problem with the holiday? My point was on idiots that think it is Christian based instead of Pagan based and cry because people try to make it more inclusive of other people (which was why Christians plagiarized it to begin with.)
Don't read YOUR intolerance into me.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I despise the idea that working on a certain day is damning. I'm a minimum-wage slave; I have no choice but to work on Sundays if my boss tells me to. And I'll have to work on Christmas night, too. Paycheck, or a spot in heaven? I'll take the money, thanks.
ChasingSarahRedux 3 years ago
I was waitng fro someone to pick up this topic.
qanazir 3 years ago
dude ur just guna have to live wiht it, cause wihtouth christmas our echonomy would fail, thats why mainly christian countries thrive so much, they have a mini echonomic boom every year, if u take that away well loose our money lol i agree wiht u but we need it to keep the advantages we are enjoying on order to slate religeon. GOD ISNT REAL, jus leitn ya know whos side im on :)
whitestripe100 3 years ago
Without Christmas, people will still celebrate the winter holiday on the 25th all the same. Why? Because all "Christmas" is is spending time with your family & friends, giving gifts, tree decorating, having a feast, etc. These are all Pagan traditions. It has been like this since the very beginning & now. All you'd be doing is changing the name of the holiday.
China & Japan (Atheist countries) have better economies than the US.
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago
I'm glad I live in Sweden. We say God Jul to eachother = Merry Yule. The word Jul has no "christian" meaning. Jul = YULE
GOD JUL !
iwantemout 3 years ago
In Sweden we have Lucia on the 13th of December. Not even this day is truly christian despite Lucia being a saint (well, I don't even believe there has ever existed a Lucia who ripped her eyes out). The 13th used to be winter solstice a long time ago and it was a time when youth stayed up all night and went from house to house singing carols and was given a gift or some money.
iwantemout 3 years ago
I always liked the school's Lucia celebration more than the Christmas celebration, because when else are you going to get out of class in the middle of the day and gingerbread cookies in school before lunch time? =D
Plus after the lunch we usually had either Lucia buns or more gingerbread cookies for dessert. :P
BeekillerJohanna 3 years ago
Later, in the 1920 the name Lucia came into the picture. But still it is not religious, it was simply made up by some students at Uppsala University based on the old traditions of Lussebrud = The bride of light - which I was describing above.
iwantemout 3 years ago
I love Christmas... when I'm in Japan. Here lots of people celebrate it as a completely secular event, mostly as a romantic thing for couples or for the children if it's a family. Only a very small minority of people in Japan are Christian, and so I almost never run into people pushing religion on me. I had enough of that growing up in the US.
Happy Holidays KH!
kanzanagain 3 years ago
Hailing from Texas, I'm envious of you for that reason alone... I'm still here and still putting up with the daily onslaught of people basking in their local religious dominance.
King Heathen, continue on with your preaching (in a non-forceful, open, and logic-abiding way, as always!).
And happy holidays to all who find joy in this time of year for whatever the reason.
xLostInTransit 3 years ago
I live the region where this originated So I know all too well what it means
Joel log (yule log) literally:Wheel Log. they threw berries over them it completely burned,ashes were spread over crop fields to get a good crop season
Mistletoe: Mother of solar god Baldur, Frigga. Her tears grew mistletoe berries, and was used to cast of spirits
Lights:used to cast of spirits of dead people
Gifts:Joel feast and feast in honor of Mithras
Baubles:used for invocation of the shaman on winter solstice
p3945u5 3 years ago
I live the region where this originated :) So I know all too well what it means, and your right.
Do you know what the Bauble's are for? They have 2 meanings in my culture: The witch Bauble who is afraid of her own mirror image, and the Bauble in the tree which was used to:
a. trap spirits (they were mesmerized)
b. invocation of the shaman on solar solstice.
:)
p3945u5 3 years ago
That's also why many irish catholics have a circle behind their cross, as they used to worship the sun, and to make conversion easier that circle was added.
Zoobeezoo 3 years ago