You see comments on other videos saying that these are shit clearly if you work for them then they'll work for you, ok not as well as more modern machines such as the 90's and the gsx but better than setting the pins your self.
I worked on these monsters as well as 82-70's until Hurricane Katrina ripped the roof off of the place (Expressway Lanes). Sadly nothing has opened to replace it.
There were 3 different designs to the 82/30. We have all 3 designs with in our chain of centers in Minnesota as well as the 82/70 and Brunswick A, A-2 and Jetback series. The 3 versions of the machine were the 4400 first, most noted for its fixed relay chain driven chassis, then the 5850 second, both machines had a closed pinwheel and top mount chassis and lastly the 6525 which is what is in this video.
I vaguely remember the chains on the first 8230. Was the chain drive for the chassis driven by the table motor? Also I seem to remember chains being involved with the sweep drop. Lastly, can you tell me when the 8270 went from the "bin roll-over" system to the shuttle system? Thanks for the comments!!
Yes, after the chassis on a 4400 gets a signal to start and drops the sweep and begins the table desecent it causes a chain on the outside of the chassis to move and thus move the stepper and relays. AMF nearly went bankrupt with the first 82-70 design in 1961 and hired an outside engineer to rework the distributor hence todays model which would begin to find its way into the 82/70 by late 1962. That move truly saved AMF from exstinction only to have to file bankruptcy later on but emerge OK.
I used to work on these machines back in the early 60's at Continental Lanes in Roseville Michigan. The nightmare with this platform is when the sweep and table would go out of sequence. You had to hand crank everything through a motor access port. Then reset the brain manually and slave all the stepper relays back to zero. If you were lucky the ping feeder would hop off the track and really mess your day up. But the absolute best is when a pin would get jammed then rocket out the back OUCH!
Nothing I hate worse is when the sweep and table smash into each other, and you to manually hand crank. But the 82-30 is notorious for having pin stoppages, due to the fact that the dist. rides on a track. If a pin does not fall cleanly in its cup, its usually because the dist. is off set on the track. Which usually means pins fall out- of-place on pindeck when they are spotted.
8230's still have the most elegant design, considering how pins are loaded and spotted. The newer machines like the GS use alot more mechanics to do the same an 8230 does with only a distributor and deck. They with more complicated designs to save wear on the pins and increase re-spot range.
You know, I really enjoy the 82-30s spotters to todays 90s, i dunno, i wish they kept that design cos they really looked cool. I can see a 30 with hi-speed and modern computer control. :)
You see comments on other videos saying that these are shit clearly if you work for them then they'll work for you, ok not as well as more modern machines such as the 90's and the gsx but better than setting the pins your self.
chrislambert10000 1 day ago
WOW...3 mins without a stop! Must be an 82-30 record!
rivierarick 10 months ago
I worked on these monsters as well as 82-70's until Hurricane Katrina ripped the roof off of the place (Expressway Lanes). Sadly nothing has opened to replace it.
fanmanmathias 1 year ago
@fanmanmathias that is a shame.
luvsthose8230s 1 year ago
Explain how the pinwheel is Stopped from Dropping pins on the Distributor ?
FFHpoison 1 year ago
@FFHpoison the pin counter on the dist opens &closes a solenoid on the backend,
therefore locking pins in the pin wheel.
tduba6 1 year ago
@tduba6 Ty :) even tho i forgot i even wrote this lol thanks :d
now i understand :D i'm use to Brunswick A's and Converted A2's and just Normal A2's :)
FFHpoison 1 year ago
I worked on these monsters - both the 4400 and the 5850s...yeah, I'm old
grebbx 2 years ago
oooohhh purty yeller belt :)
ke3wh 3 years ago
There were 3 different designs to the 82/30. We have all 3 designs with in our chain of centers in Minnesota as well as the 82/70 and Brunswick A, A-2 and Jetback series. The 3 versions of the machine were the 4400 first, most noted for its fixed relay chain driven chassis, then the 5850 second, both machines had a closed pinwheel and top mount chassis and lastly the 6525 which is what is in this video.
BIGGREENLEAF1 3 years ago
Which centers? I live in St. Louis Park.
mrsooline 3 years ago
this was shot at the berlin bowling center in berlin connecticut.
luvsthose8230s 3 years ago
I vaguely remember the chains on the first 8230. Was the chain drive for the chassis driven by the table motor? Also I seem to remember chains being involved with the sweep drop. Lastly, can you tell me when the 8270 went from the "bin roll-over" system to the shuttle system? Thanks for the comments!!
parkit56 2 years ago
Yes, after the chassis on a 4400 gets a signal to start and drops the sweep and begins the table desecent it causes a chain on the outside of the chassis to move and thus move the stepper and relays. AMF nearly went bankrupt with the first 82-70 design in 1961 and hired an outside engineer to rework the distributor hence todays model which would begin to find its way into the 82/70 by late 1962. That move truly saved AMF from exstinction only to have to file bankruptcy later on but emerge OK.
BIGGREENLEAF1 2 years ago
@parkit56approx.1968
tduba6 1 year ago
hey any one knows the diffrence between the amf 82-30 modren and the old time 82-30 look a like? plz tell if u know
HGJYBRANDON 3 years ago
this is the general setup of the 8230. there are similar differences such as some machines use a closed pinwheel instead of the open one.
luvsthose8230s 3 years ago
@HGJYBRANDON one has an open pin wheel(modern) & the other has a solid or
closed pin wheel(old time 58-50 or4400) pr-6 pr 12 with a chain driven chasis
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tduba6 1 year ago
I used to work on these machines back in the early 60's at Continental Lanes in Roseville Michigan. The nightmare with this platform is when the sweep and table would go out of sequence. You had to hand crank everything through a motor access port. Then reset the brain manually and slave all the stepper relays back to zero. If you were lucky the ping feeder would hop off the track and really mess your day up. But the absolute best is when a pin would get jammed then rocket out the back OUCH!
brianb2222 3 years ago
Nothing I hate worse is when the sweep and table smash into each other, and you to manually hand crank. But the 82-30 is notorious for having pin stoppages, due to the fact that the dist. rides on a track. If a pin does not fall cleanly in its cup, its usually because the dist. is off set on the track. Which usually means pins fall out- of-place on pindeck when they are spotted.
luvsthose8230s 2 years ago
8230's still have the most elegant design, considering how pins are loaded and spotted. The newer machines like the GS use alot more mechanics to do the same an 8230 does with only a distributor and deck. They with more complicated designs to save wear on the pins and increase re-spot range.
parkit66 3 years ago
You know, I really enjoy the 82-30s spotters to todays 90s, i dunno, i wish they kept that design cos they really looked cool. I can see a 30 with hi-speed and modern computer control. :)
EdmDude 3 years ago