It's a pity that the game has those annoying little details that break the bubble. Laying down next to a stone and taking fire, for several seconds, without dying? And still maintaining a steady aim? Ha, wouldn't think so. Also, confirming target destruction before the smoke clears... Not likely IRL.
All capitalist come to my country.. we all have no internet we all have no laptopPCs.. but we are the happiest because we have totaly free education till the degree and free medicines and medical advices .no charges to all. we are educated healthy and happier than you. we have always a smile or a big laugh on our faces.I have seen most of capitalists have no feelings on their faces.that is the deference.Happiness is the biggest treasure.health is the biggest profit!! its a spiritual defference!!
AntiLazarus do you think people work more effficiently if they know there is no compensation for their productivity?? Because in socialism it doesn't matter that one is more efficient and more productive than another person. At the end of the month both get exactly the same, and nothing happens to the one that produces less... So tell me do you think that the one producing more will continue to produce the same after one month of comunism? Tell me then what would happen to the GDP? ;)
"Lets make non factual statements about the economy and just spew some crapp rachel maddow said and some propaganda from the huffpost and kos. Then when he responds to them and makes me look silly, I will be a 3 year old little fucking whining baby again and bring up GDP and try to get him to post the formula. I can do this everytime I'm so smart"
@AntiLazarus So first you said Reagans cuts didnt increase revenues, then you said OF COURSE THEY DID!! You are fucking lame, and you believe in politicians and messiahs! YOu probably cried when obama was on oprah HAHAHA. Fucking liberal morons are so pathetic. Oprah opens a school in Africa!! WOw woopie!! Why doesn't she open one here? Oh thats right, because the fucking teachers unions would hang her. He got the nobel peace prize for starting a war in LIBYA! LMAO
@AroundSun That's your problem: you have no sense of short-term versus long term:
GDP grows (that's news to you, since you're STILL arguing it's a constant), so eventually, a smaller percentage of a huge number will be bigger than a bigger percentage of a small number.
BUT, revenues grew SLOWER THAN UNDER ANY OTHER PRESIDENT. They grew LESS than they would have, and in the short term, they DID reduce revenues.
But to figure this out, you have to trust numbers and math.
@AntiLazarus iF 99% WANT TO REVOKE THE 1ST AMENDMENT, DOES THAT MAKE IT OKAY?? No you shit for brains liberal fuck. We do not live in a democracy, get it through your Mao fucking head. Socialism has failed and is failing all over the world today. This is why every country is fucking broke and this is why europe is doing worse than we are now. Do you know what an unfunded liability is? God damn you are fucking retarded trying to disprove gravity.
@AroundSun Socialism is the only thing savings capitalism, and anyone can see this. Pure capitalism failed a long time ago. If our society is to survive, it will have to gradually become more and more socialist.
You lose. Look me up once you've figured out what GDP is.
"You may have met and debated some stupid Democrats before"
HAHAHAHA all democrats are fucking STUPID!! What are you shitting me? LOLOLOLOLOL
"but I am not common stock."
nO, YOURE RIGHT, You are more fucking braindead than all of them. You instantly lose all credibility when you talk about exploitation of workers. HAHAH right out of the communist manifesto. This whole "i am smart" thing is fucking laughable, especially since socialism FAILS 100% EVERYTIME you fucking caveman LMAO
Even better than job market studying is this book (its very boring but you will learn to not trust economic simplicity) "Industrial Organization: Markets and Strategies". Hope you held on to your math books.
@Thedreamshaperabc Lefties are absorbed into economic fallacies and left/right paradigms. In a free country, each can choose the degree of their liberty as they choose and can change that level at will. In a truely free society I'm sure there would be socialist camps but nobody would be forced to live in them. I might even visit them from time to time (but I sure wouldn't want to live there). I suggest reading or viewing the works of Milton Friedman, Sowell, Peter Schiff, rothbard, mises, hayek
Free market economics IS economics. Very basic, simple, plain, clean, and beautiful. It works like regular arithmetic. 1+1=2. Now when you bring on Keynesian remedies, a central bank, stimulus spending, big gov't programs, regulations, and socialist agendas..This is where it gets confusing and complicated and politicians love it that way because they can reward their friends and punish their enemies. They can gain votes off of giving away other peoples money and cause unintended consequences
Wow, your argument is so beautifull. I had never thought of it so clearly! .. now, prey tell. I am also having some trouble understanding Control theory as used in macroeconomic modelling. Perhaps you care to enlighten me ? clearly you know so much about economics.. or perhaps the cointegrated VAR model :) ?
@Thedreamshaperabc Lets do your plan. We will print money out of thin air until we are all rich. 100% tax on all business, $100 per hour minimum wage, and well just hire the 14 million unemployed into some inefficient government jobs that are created on the taxpayers dime. Award winning nobel prize recipients like Milton Friedman Thomas Sowell and Peter Schiff make people like you look so pathetic it is so funny. Remember the housing bubble shit for brains?? Yea, thats Keynesian eco for ya
@Thedreamshaperabc Liberalism is a mental disorder and is the cancer on our society. You advocate force and coercion over voluntary exchange and mutual consent. Proof that you morons can't do anything without forcing others into your shitty programs. Hows that for a fresh dose of real life outside of the classroom?
SO glad I didnt goto a liberal university or a european marxist college. We used to laugh at priming the pump and how a central bank can magically create money out of thin air
Anyone with a lick of sense can understand that you can not spend your way out of a recession. As it is now, the long term effects will burden all future generations. The ridiculous over-spending only creates more hardships for regular, everyday types of people. The super rich won't really ever be faced with the worries and struggles of the working mans reality so they simply do not care. Politicians won't bite the hands that feed them. They have become "leaders" instead of servants. Pathetic
@Thedreamshaperabc Oversimplifying? Who told you that you're retarded liberal professor who thinks we can spend our way out of a spending induced crisis? A big government tax and spend moron who wants to play god with the economy and print money out of thin air? Eco 101 will show you that QE is dangerous and causes inflation. Government = inefficient spending versus private sector spending. Your keynesian mindset it what brought on the recession and prolonged the depression.
I dont debate economics with people who make claims such as "Anyone with a lick of sense can understand that...", it shows you dont know squat about economics. I am very smart and get very good grades, and i am an arrogant asshole But even i know that economics is vastly more complicated that i could ever comprehend. So anyone saying it is simple has likely learned to much form youtube and fora rather than staying late at the library.
@Thedreamshaperabc "Anyone with a brain can understand that when the gov't STEALS your money and redistributes it throughout hte economy, it ususally ends up in the hands oh people who put them in office, people who don't need it, or areas of the economy in which you wouldn't otherwise have spent it. To say that "politicians know best" and that they can spend your money better than you can is fucking ignorant, totalitarian, unconstitutional, bad economically, and goes against being a servant.
@Thedreamshaperabc "But even i know that economics is vastly more complicated that i could ever comprehend"
Ahh yes...even more of a reason we need the free market instead of a select few at the top planning and trying to organize a massive economy. Central planning = FAILURE. I am glad you agree with me though...
You get good grades? Woopty doo. Youre taking Keynes economics thats why. Nobody take credit in a free market. You'll learn one day when you actually have to pay taxes little boy
I live in Denmark where i pay alot more taxes than you (i dont have to assume ur an american as we have the highest taxes in the world). What i ment with to complicated is that no one person can possibly understand all of the economy, i might understand, say, econometrics and some finance and some macro. But no one (almost i guess) can really master all of the subjects
@Thedreamshaperabc If something works well and is efficient, people will choose it. If something is popular, then you dont have to force people into it. If you have to force people into something it means they didnt want to do it in the first place. I dont really care about denmark, but the US has a CONSTITUTION *GASP and was founded on limited gov't. We are supposed to have servants in office not leaders. Taxes are to be spent on courts police and defense, anything else the market can handle
How about education ? hospitals ? plenty of areas enjoy economics of scale. And yes, if markets worked perfectly it would all be so well. Unfortunently you need to study economics (that is, learn about it) to understand it is not that simple. I recommend a good book on job markets as a primer, a very interesting subject.
@Thedreamshaperabc Education??? Private sector efficiency. Only profits and losses can determine whether a school is doing good or not by how many students are willing to go to what school. Schools have to compete for students outside of government intervention. Hospitals and healthcare? Free market insurance. Why do you have the right to someone elses services?? Doctors should work for free then. Its not that simple?? Oh no, where does the market fail then Id love to hear it
@Thedreamshaperabc You live in fantasy land where we give all our money and freedoms to politicians to decide who will get what. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been practiced and it is not going to magically work one day. Funny thing is though, even if it will work, then people can voluntarily participate. If not, then we should be able to opt out. Liberals cant do ANYTHING without conservatives. If they could, then they would do it voluntarily without forcing people into it.
@Thedreamshaperabc You just said you have insane taxes. So much for socialism working well. If you are forced into paying even 1 dollar for something that you are not receiving benefits for, then it is not working well. And if you love it so much, thats great!! But dont come to OUR country trying to force it on us.
@Thedreamshaperabc The policymakers are the least effected by their decisions. It is like a group of children with a chemistry set in class, they are mixing chemicals together hoping for a miracle, but in reality they're going to blow us all up! They know nothing other than what their pals in academia lala land tell them while they stroke each other off. Most of them have never been in business in their life.
Yes, how we do loathe those damnable intellectuals. I say down with the written word, down with fire and lets get back to our caves. People who disslike academia are people not from academia -_-
@Thedreamshaperabc HAHAHAHAHA yea that really refuted ANYTHING i have just said. Keep thinking that politicians have your best interest at heart. Keep believing in messiahs and angels. You want to see where fucking academia got us?? 14 digit debt, 15 digit unfunded liabilities, the brokest country to have ever existed. Crashing dollar and soaring gold and commodity prices. Rome is burning shit for brains. No wonder our government is broke, its filled with poli-sci majors and lawyers.
@Thedreamshaperabc Who are academia jerkoffs in liberal la la land to be controlling peoples lives? Telling people who will live where and make what? As you said, the market and the economy is too complex for a person or group of people to be organizing and controlling everything. You really do have the unconstrained vision and that is sad. DIdnt you just say youre a college student?? How are you paying more taxes than me again???
Liberals don't account for the reduced consumption on the part of the people from whom government must take the money it spends. There's another side of the ledger than simply what additional demand government creates. GDP is always high during a Federal Reserve-induced bubble period and then later declines.
Collectivist thinking is sad because liberals can not do anything on their own with their own money. They can only use the federal government to coerce others. If something is popular and works well, people will choose it. If something is popular and works well, people don't have to be forced into it. Because if you have to force people into something, that means it doesn't work well and wasn't popular in the fist place! Silly libs
In a free country, each can choose the degree of their liberty as they choose and can change that level at will. In a truely free society I'm sure there would be socialist camps but nobody would be forced to live in them. I might even visit them from time to time (but I sure wouldn't want to live there.
Note To all collectivist commenting: Go join your collective hive, just don't? put a GUN to my head and demand that I join(ie- socialized medicine, etc) ---- Understand???? Get it? Leave me the hell alone. You go your way, I'll go my way. Its a no brainer. --- create your own communal system here in the US(outside of Government intervention), you have more than enough people willing -- so whats the problem? Communal living (outside of forced participation) is possible, just do it.
In recent times, the Nobel prize is often given for political reasons. And it's interesting how Krugman apologists always point to his, when they are unable to counter opposing views with logic and empirical evidence. "The lord works in mysterious ways" eh?
"and ALL because they're scared little pussies whose fragile minds can't cope with reality." yup, thats you liberals and big government morons. Just ask steven levitt. Oh wait, he is a crooked libertarian right? Even though he was awarded some of the highest recognition as the youngest and most intelligent economist??
@AroundSun Guess what? Paul Krugman and Joseph Stiglitz BOTH got the Nobel Prize in economics, and they BOTH disagree with everything you've said. I've got two on my side. You lose again.
And you STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. What is GDP? The formula please.
@AntiLazarus Krugman, oh man, you are digging your own grave again. If saving is bad for an economy, how then would capital accumulate? 3.5 trillion dollar yearly budget, with a 1.7-trillion dollar deficit, and he
wants government to spend MORE? We have experienced two consecutive bubbles, and now government spending is creating a monetary third bubble, and his suggestion is more of the same...
@AroundSun Ooh, you're REALLY desperate to latch onto this Krugman thing, aren't you? ANYTHING but the previous subject, right? I don't blame you necessarily: if I had been so humiliated after failing a day 1 economics 101 question, I might try to change the subject too.
@AroundSun HAHA!! And he gives us ANOTHER gem!! I've got to say, I am extremely cynical, but you have surprised and delighted EVEN ME with your bottomless stupidity.
To help you out: the formula for GDP IS THE DEFINITION. GDP is a NUMBER, and so the definition is a FORMULA. Just like the definition of, for example, the derivative in calculus is a formula.
Could you have lost this argument any worse than you already have? I submit that you could not.
@AntiLazarus nope, definition is all goods and services produced in a given time. The formula for calculating that is an equation. And who are you to be talking about losing arguments, you argued that GDP ALWAYS increases when government spending increases because you are a fucking simpleton. HAHA you also admitted you were wrong. Now you think you won an argument. Are you bi-polar? Go google the formula, im not doing EVERYTHING for you....typical Liberals........"do it for me" - "give me"
@AroundSun The formula IS the definition, you're just too stupid to realize it. You won't know what any of this means, but I'll tell you just to hammer in how out of your league you are:
GDP is a number, but not any number. It is a mathematical object known as a function. Specifically, it is a function of four things. I am asking you what those things are, to prove to me that you know what you are talking about. You have so far been unable to do it.
@AntiLazarus "You won't know what any of this means" LMAO. coming from someone who has already admitted that he was wrong. Stop trying to sound smart..."GDP IS A NUMBER" LOL...you sound ridiculous now. Just stop being a sore loser and stop trying to save face. I didnt tell you that the formula you typed was wrong, i simply explained that gdp wont always increase, and that some factors (GS) can decrease other factors. Then I gave you a chart which proves it. So just stop and accept defeat
@AroundSun Just stop, and let you off the hook? I don't fucking think so. You shot your mouth off, got the answer wrong, and are trying to get out of admitting it. It's pathetic. Even more pathetic, you're now trying to retcon your posts, and claim to have said something different than what you actually said. You assuredly did NOT simply say that "government spending won't ALWAYS increase GDP." If you had, I wouldn't have jumped all over you. You said government spending "makes GDP go down."
@AroundSun You THEN gave me a link to a chart, which purported to prove your point. But upon looking at the chart, it became clear that you MISREAD THE CHART, and that regardless of whether the chart is right or wrong (and I won't comment), it DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. You misunderstood "size of government" to mean "government spending," which is not the same. It CAN'T be, or else every definition of GDP is wrong.
Government can get smaller, as it is now, while spending increases.
@AroundSun The saddest part of all this is that you COULD have just admitted that you misread the chart. It would have been no big deal. People misread things all the time. It doesn't mean they're stupid, and I would have left you alone.
But, in your arrogance, you just COULD NOT admit to even the TINIEST mistake, and so now instead of admitting a small, who-cares-level mistake, you're now stuck defending TWO mistakes, one of which is HUGE.
@AntiLazarus You remind me of a college sophomore who thinks he can run the world because he has NEVER had to run ANYTHING in his measly liberal life. Like Obama and other politicians, people who have never been in business in their lives sitting there on CSPAN trying to tell people how to run their companies. Community organizers, lawyers, political science majors. No wonder the nation is bankrupt.
I told you motherfucker, none of your babbling is making anyone forget that you failed econ 101 and you're STILL saying everything you can think of to avoid trying to answer this question that you know you got wrong. Why else wouldn't you answer it? You know, since you have a degree in economics. LMAO.
@AntiLazarus You are no smarter than a dead chipmunk. I have evidence that I have shown you, you have nothing. How could you be so stupid? Never become a lawyer.
@AntiLazarus "Fine. Now give me the definitio of GDP." Not doing your big boy homework for you.
"and explain how the government BUYING GOODS (HINT: that's INCOME) DECREASES GDP"
Government takes resources from the private sector (which is more efficient) in order to spend. Decreasing the amount of capital in the private sector will decrease production. Less jobs, higher prices, lower wages, etc. Companies dont pay taxes, YOU DO! cont.
@AroundSun Efficiency has ZERO to do with GDP, you fucking moron. Thanks for proving for about the 12th time that you don't have any fucking clue what you're talking about.
What you're saying is that $100 of PRIVATE money buys MORE than $100 of DIRTY GUB'MINT money. Do I really have to explain how epicly retarded this is?
@AntiLazarus Efficiency has ZERO to do with GDP, you fucking moron The more efficient a business is, the more they can produce with the least amount of resources. The cheaper these goods and services become leaving more capital to invest in MORE production. Efficiency has EVERYTHING to do with GDP. You really are a fucking idiot!!
@AroundSun But GDP is in DOLLARS, you FUCKING FOOL. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? If I pay you $10 for something, it DOESN'T MATTER if you give me twice as much of it as your competitor. It's STILL $10!!! Efficiency has a great deal to do with GROWTH, but in a GIVEN YEAR, it means FUCK ALL.
@AntiLazarus Fact: Borrow from overseas, government spending increases, the price of the goods they subsidize increase, taxes raise to cover interest on that very debt, production decreases, exports decrease, unemployment rises, consumption and personal debt increase.
@AroundSun No, you don't show me SHIT. If you're so goddamn smart, EXPLAIN IT YOURSELF, you fucking worm. It'll be faster than watching a video, and more relevant.
@AntiLazarus LoL. its a 1 minute clip. Too long for the liberal brain to comprehend? YOU SAID YOU WANTED EVIDENCE, THERE IT IS! I rest my case and you lose SO BAD!!
Alright, I watched your fucking video. SURPRISE, you MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT HE WAS SAYING. He is talking about increasing the COMPOSITION OF SPENDING, not a simple increase! This does NOTHING to refute the idea of stimulus spending, which has already been proven multiple times to work, and if it did, it would mean our measure of GDP is wrong!
@AroundSun It's hilarious how conservatives are SO SURE they're right about everything, but it takes a fucking subpoena to get them to answer a question. It makes one suspect that they really don't know what they're talking about, and they're just repeating the lines given to them by their masters...
@AntiLazarus just because you put your fingers in your ears and go "bla bla bla bla im a liberal lefty retard and im right cuz obama said so, YES WE CAN!! CHANGE!! HOPE!! some other cliches and politic rhetoric" when i answer your question doesnt mean I didnt answer it. You have turned this into YOU talking to YOURSELF. What a fucking mentalcase you are.
YES WE CAN!!CHANGE!! HOPE!! LMAO...3 years later..bailouts, tax cuts..Bank of america campaign contributions, GE, high gold and oil prices
@AroundSun By the way, fucktard: you seem to be under the impression that, once spent by the government, money just disappears. That's incredibly fucking stupid, although being a Libertarian DOES require you to believe a LOT of incredibly fucking stupid things.
But let me attempt to clue you in: once the government spends it, it's just like other money! The government pays PRIVATE COMPANIES for products, and the company GIVES it to them! Easy!
@AntiLazarus You are living in a zero sum game fallacy. You probably also dont believe that when two people trade that they both benefit, because if something is worth ten dollars and its traded for ten, nobody wins. But why would two people trade if it didnt benefit both of them? Capitalism is the evolution of barter. You may be the dumbest person I have ever talked to. Goodnight Fool. You lose, you can;t even come close. You liberals couldnt argue your way out of a wet paper bag!
@AroundSun More fucking drivel. You are a CHILD--you have been proven wrong multiple times. You KNOW you're wrong, but you're fucking arrogant to admit it, so you commit MORE errors in your braindead attempt to not appear wrong.
@AntiLazarus GDP is a measure of economic activity rather than wealth. That's why GDP doesn't take into account debt. Repaying the debt will decrease economic activity, because taxes will have to be raised to pay for this debt. When this happens, then the effects of the government debt will be reflected in the decreased GDP. How fast would our economy grow if government spending was 100% of GDP? YOURE AN IDIOT!!!!
@AroundSun My word, are you STILL dodging the question? To be fair, I have to give you a LITTLE bit of credit for having the guts to skirt around the issue.
But sadly, you're STILL mistaken. First of all, and most seriously, you STILL have not answered the question. The formula for GDP please. Or, alternatively, you can explain how government spending DECREASES GDP, or admit you were wrong, Your choice.
@AntiLazarus For about the fortieth time, Gov't spending does not always increase GDP. if a=b+c but increasing b decreases c, then you aren't increasing A. Only little braindead moron socialist children like yourself who have been wrong about everything can't think outside the box or look at statistical data. You can go on about GDP until you're blue in the face, but you just don't want to admit that you were wrong and that you're a fucking idiot. Its okay, you dont have to =) We both know
@AroundSun By the way, you're STILL desperately clutching onto this argument because it's the only remotely-intelligent way you've found to get all the egg off your face, but it's NOT true that "if a=b+c then HERP DERP"
If you've ever taken a math class EVER you'll know that ONLY works when a (in the example) doesn't change. But GDP changes everywhere. In fact, earlier you were babbling on about GDP growth, but all of a sudden, GDP is a constant, and there's nothing you can do to change it.
@AroundSun So you see, shithead, in your effort to avoid telling the truth (because the truth will always give the lie to Libertarian fantasies), you've not only reinforced the idea in everyone's mind that you don't understand how GDP works, but your inconsistent and seemingly random claims reveal that you don't even know what it IS, let alone how it works or what affects it.
@AntiLazarus " you've not only reinforced the idea in everyone's mind that you don't understand how GDP works"
LMAO, you were the one who thought that government spending will increase gross domestic product INDEFINITELY. Just because I dont fall in to your childish games and post the formula on here (youre a big boy you can do that) doesnt mean that youre not an idiot!!! Because you absolutely 100% fucking are!
@AroundSun HERP DERP, government spending DOES increase GDP indefinitely. To prove it, just look at the formula, if you're not STILL too much of a fucking coward to print it here. In real life, eventually, investors will stop loaning you money if you don't pay them, but IF THEY DID, then deficit spending WOULD always increase GDP, ceteris paribus.
@AntiLazarus THe economy will NEVER work the way you want it to work, go it? Capice? You know why? Because it doesn't fucking work that way!! If I am the taxman and take 2 dollars from a hotdog vendor, then give you the two dollars to buy a 3 dollar hotdog, he will simply make hte hotdogs 5 dollars to compensate. If you can't understnad basic mathematics you have no business discussing the economy. Braindead liberal: "I deserve" "I want" "Give me part of the business cuz i sed so" wah
@AntiLazarus You have been wrong about everything and you still are. Go away, I am done feeding the troll.
GS always raises GDP!! LMAO GOOD ONE!! THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS OTHERWISE
"Does stimulus spending work? The data says no" Want me to send you the video again and we can watch it together?? Was it too complicated for your little liberal brain to comprehend?
@AroundSun The evidence suggests otherwise? HAHAHA!!
Well then why the fuck did you say the OPPOSITE? Why are you saying stimulus spending works, then it doesn't?
Why are you still dodging the question: what is the formula for GDP? This is real easy, so why are you still so terrified of it after over an entire week?
@AntiLazarus Don't put words in my mouth you foot stomping cry baby fucking whiner. You know exactly what I mean and you can only try to distort what I said or change the subject to avoid embarrassment. You are a fucking child and are to be treated like one. I said QUOTE "Does Stimulus spending work? The data says no" because that is what was said in the VIDEO that I posted as EVIDENCE that you are WRONG!! Does stimulus spending work? The evidence suggests otherwise. Same fucking thing
@AroundSun All that video shows is a vague chart, with NO individual data points listed. You can't what GDP was any particular year, you can't even tell which year is supposed to be which. There's a reason for that: the real numbers prove the Libertarian fuckwits wrong, just as they have for 100 years, so they can't give you a chart that's EASY to understand.
Meanwhile, ALL the rest of the data PROVES that government stimulus works.
I mean, it's right there in the definition of GDP, hehe.
@AroundSun Oh? What's that? Still stumped on GDP? Can't figure it out?
I'm sorry, once you graduate from Econ 101, we can talk about other things, but until you can understand the concept of GDP, there's nothing else to talk about.
@AntiLazarus MAYBE AFTER HUNDREDS OF MILLION OF PEOPLE ARE KILLED YOUR SYSTEM WILL WORK WELL. LOOK AT YOUR GOOFY PROFILE PICTURE. NOBODY TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY!!!
@AroundSun Oh! Here' s post from AroundSun i which he doesn't say ANYTHING, doesn't dispute ANYTHING I wrote, but just begs for me to go away and leave him alone, and quit kicking him in the ribs while he's lying facedown in the dirt from the econ beatdown he just received.
Sorry assface, it's for your own good. As long as petulant children continue to be petulant, they continue to need discipline.
@AntiLazarus What is funny is that you are so wrong, that what you think is the norm, is actually the exception to the rule. The economy usually declines after periods of bubble induced spending. God you're an idiot
@AroundSun That's very impressive how you "know" what "I think" is the norm, because I HAVEN'T SAID anything about that.
What's that? A Loony Libertarian putting words in a superior opponent's mouth in a desperate attempts to score debate points? Why, I never!
All I said is that if you don't even know how to calculate GDP, which you still don't, and are still dodging the question, then there's a lot of OTHER stuff you'll fuck up to.
Wrong again! I said government spending increases GDP ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. Of course, if G goes up $10, and C goes down $10, GDP will remain the same.
But that's not what you said. Let me make this clear: your dishonest arguments will NOT get by me. You may have met and debated some stupid Democrats before, but I am not common stock. You will not fool me with subtle alterations of your quotes. I KNOW what you said, and YOU know what you said, and it was wrong.
@AntiLazarus "Maybe I am wrong" That is what you said, and was the only time you were right. Are you still arguing this you little shit brained child??? You saw the video, youve seen the graphs, and your fucking wrong. So just admit it and stop tryingto save face. Just because government spending increased doesnt mean other factors will decrease equally. They decrease more than the spending was raised. Youre also a simpleton for not understanding the fed's effect on prices and consumption
@AroundSun I've got graphs too, shithead. I asked you to look at them. Guess what? YOU DODGED THAT QUESTION TOO!! Just like you're STILL dodging my question about GDP.
You made a STUPID mistake and revealed the fact that you don't even know what GDP is, and now you're increasingly pissed off that I am calling you on it, and attracting people's attention to it, and won't let you weasel out of it.
Son, you have LOST this argument. Every time you dodge my questions just reinforces it.
@AntiLazarus "I've got graphs too, shithead" No you don't. Liberals are scared of facts c'mon now. They are idealists not realists. Im not pissed off, liberal shit for brains dont piss me off because they are always wrong. It is quite amusing actually!! They can't even look at a simple chart. BTW, raising taxes won't increase tax revenues. Never has. We collect 18% regardless whether taxes are high or low. You lose, stop sending me messages now troll.
@AroundSun Oh, you want some charts? Here's a chart proving you wrong about tax increases decreasing revenues. Reagan did it, and also LOST revenue by decreasing tax rates:
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You WILL look at it this time, right? Especially since you just threw a shitfit about me not looking at your unintelligible graph? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, right?
"stop sending me messages, I'm tired of being proven wrong!"
Pathetic. Figure out what GDP is and you can graduate.
@AntiLazarus The article and graph you just gave me agrees that revenues increased. They just claim that growth wasn't as fast as prior.It also acknowledges the inflation rate.It talks about GDP and growth rate not tax revenues. Nice job trying to dig up any piece of data you can come up with hoping that I wouldn't read it. You could not be any more of a fucking idiot. You said that Sachs didn't receive money from the fed. I mean, how out of touch with reality are you? Living under a rock?
@AroundSun OF COURSE revenues increased, you moron. Revenues ALWAYS increase as the economy grows. "It talks about GDP and growth rate not tax revenues." Dude, the NAME OF THE ARTICLE is "Effect of Reagan, Kennedy, and Bush Tax Cuts on Revenues."
You didn't read any of it. Especially not this part:
"the real growth in individual income tax receipts was 9.41% from 1981 to 1991 and 10.41% from 1982 to 1992. These were the lowest growth rates of any of the 58 10-year spans from 1940 to 2007."
@AntiLazarus Economic growth and tax revenues are two different things. Economic growth is not simply how much money the government has. YOUR FUCKING STUPID
"Goldman Sachs received bailout money? durr? whats an AIG?
@AntiLazarus There is a certain 'green zone' where a population is being taxed the perfect amount to facilitate maximum income for the govt. If you tax too high, the economy will decline, investment will dry up, and anyone with money will horde it away to avoid the tax man. If you tax too little, the govt. simply can't run. But even to the right of the green zone, cuts to the tax rate still increase the tax base - i.e., economic activity.
@AroundSun Oh yeah, all those Americans whose homes have fallen in value in 20%, who are saddled with debt, whose wife or husband may have lost their job, they're going to stop working as much because "the government is simply taking too much of my money, so I won't work anymore!"
If only life were that easy, you drooling idiot. Real Americans have to work to support themselves regardless of what the tax rate it. They don't have other workers to leech off of, like the super-rich.
@AntiLazarus BLA BLA BLA...YOU WANT GOVERNMENT TO RUN YOUR LIFE CUZ YOU CANT RUN YOUR OWN LIFE!!! GO HUG A TREE!!! YOUVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!!! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER, SO YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE WRONG AND BE BEATEN ALL THE TIME! HAVE FUN SHIT-BRAINED COMMIE!! Keep it up with those emotion striking statements that make me just wanna get out and vote for the next dickhead to lie to your face and get in office!!! youre truly retarded
@AroundSun Are you changing the subject again? Why don't you want to talk about tax levels anymore?
Could it have anything to do with the fact that I just caught you in another lie? What's that you say? You're not a liar? Well then I guess you're just plain fucking stupid.
@AroundSun@AntiLazarus Get your fucking argument off of here! Nobody wants to read your shit, go argue on a video relevant to what the fuck you have to say if it's gotta be a youtube argument.. Christ you're filling up the comments page about politics on a gameplay video!!?? Seriously? Pathetic..
@AntiLazarus So shit for brains, why isn't the tax rate 99%? If we can raise taxes, raise the minimum wage, and print money out of thin air why arent we all rich? How come the democrats never actually tax the rich, they tax the middle class??? Oh thats right, because there are too many millionaire phony democrats, we cant tax them. Everyone in hollywood onboard with huge tax increases? PFFF PLEASE!!!! Why doesnt the government just run every industry since their so fair and efficient?
@AroundSun It is not 99% because we as a people have not chosen for it to be 99% If everyone decided that they WANTED it to be 99%, and they WANTED a government-controlled economy, then it work just fine. Just look at Japan and Korea, who after WWII built up their economies through EXTENSIVE government control, and did it WAY faster than the "free market" US. Let me guess: you didn't know this, because John Stossel never told you.
@AntiLazarus The US was not a free market. You lose........
Economic world report, the most successful countries with the highest growth rates are the freest countries in the world. You are a fucking moron. Korea? What are you talking about NORTH KOREA??? HAHAHA. South Korea is doing a LITTLE better my friend haha. Look at Hong Kong and tell me that the free market is evil. YOU ARE A SOCIALIST, END OF STORY, YOU ARE WRONG AND STUPID. , YOU FAIL!!!
@AroundSun Of course the US is not a free market. The free market has been irrelevant for a century. Which also means that none of the US's success is due to the free market. In reality, you have to examine the details, not just shout slogans.
This is why the Libertarians are constantly wrong.
@AroundSun No, YOU are an idiot, or a LIAR. Government spending DOES always increase GDP ceteris paribus (let me guess: you don't have a fucking clue what THAT means, either, even though you "have a degree in econ;" what a shameless liar).
So keep whining and crying all you want, shithead, everybody knows that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GDP IS, lmao!!
Oh, what an INTELLECTUAL!!! He can't figure out GDP, but he knows the solutions to ALL our problems, lol!
Do we really need 2 minutes of history lessons before the actual game plot?
stormdumb 2 weeks ago
i played it 1min on my nvidia NX8500GT it dont mater what graphic i set its still laging -.-
LTdubstep 3 weeks ago
MUY BUEN JUEGO RECOMENDADO +10 LO TENGO
cibergenio2008 2 months ago
These comments scare me
scorcher004 4 months ago
looks a little boring
Michaelnj123 4 months ago
Anyone reckon 2 is better then 1?
princejmye 5 months ago
First 10 Minutes Gameplay....FAKE
3 Minutes intro
7 Minutes Gameplay
Tanatbenbenpoppop 6 months ago 18
@Tanatbenbenpoppop Lol
TheYasstm 2 months ago
@Tanatbenbenpoppop La intro cuenta como gameplay . T_T noob
tonixaqw 2 months ago
@Tanatbenbenpoppop seriously ur a dick
SKIDAROO 1 month ago
no top comment? what world is this?!?!?
vladuski 6 months ago 10
It's a pity that the game has those annoying little details that break the bubble. Laying down next to a stone and taking fire, for several seconds, without dying? And still maintaining a steady aim? Ha, wouldn't think so. Also, confirming target destruction before the smoke clears... Not likely IRL.
thegibsonfromhell 6 months ago
All capitalist come to my country.. we all have no internet we all have no laptopPCs.. but we are the happiest because we have totaly free education till the degree and free medicines and medical advices .no charges to all. we are educated healthy and happier than you. we have always a smile or a big laugh on our faces.I have seen most of capitalists have no feelings on their faces.that is the deference.Happiness is the biggest treasure.health is the biggest profit!! its a spiritual defference!!
TommyJLion 6 months ago
Jesus fucking Christ take your politics elsewhere .
TrollExterminator232 6 months ago
AntiLazarus do you think people work more effficiently if they know there is no compensation for their productivity?? Because in socialism it doesn't matter that one is more efficient and more productive than another person. At the end of the month both get exactly the same, and nothing happens to the one that produces less... So tell me do you think that the one producing more will continue to produce the same after one month of comunism? Tell me then what would happen to the GDP? ;)
sergiocamolino 6 months ago
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sergiocamolino 6 months ago
came here to look at a game...saw the comments were about socialism...ok...?
NWHPjpplayer1 6 months ago
WHY IS THERE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT POLITICS ON A GAMEPLAY VIDEO OF AN FPS?
jetty1337 7 months ago
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hadihadi222 7 months ago
@hadihadi222 1 yanki 69 position 5 4 2 charlie 2 3 penis
TheHat3z 7 months ago
THIS IS A FUCKING VIDEOGAME, IF YOU WANT TO FUCKING ARGUE OVER NEWS LIES, GO TO FOXES PAGE.
HRHippieRanger 7 months ago
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KeroChuK 7 months ago
whoa whoa WHOA....this is a video of a game....
How the hell did people get into politics...
419chris419 7 months ago
herp derp? are you fucking five years old go away!!!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Wow, a lot of economic brilliance in this post.
Is an entire week enough time for you to figure out what GDP is and why government spending increases it?
Or is it too hard a question? There must be some reason you're still dodging it.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus This is you:
"Lets make non factual statements about the economy and just spew some crapp rachel maddow said and some propaganda from the huffpost and kos. Then when he responds to them and makes me look silly, I will be a 3 year old little fucking whining baby again and bring up GDP and try to get him to post the formula. I can do this everytime I'm so smart"
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun *yawn*
Still dodging that question about GDP, eh? I don't blame you. It DOES make you look pretty fucking stupid.
But let me know once you've stopped hiding from the simplest concept in economics.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus So first you said Reagans cuts didnt increase revenues, then you said OF COURSE THEY DID!! You are fucking lame, and you believe in politicians and messiahs! YOu probably cried when obama was on oprah HAHAHA. Fucking liberal morons are so pathetic. Oprah opens a school in Africa!! WOw woopie!! Why doesn't she open one here? Oh thats right, because the fucking teachers unions would hang her. He got the nobel peace prize for starting a war in LIBYA! LMAO
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun That's your problem: you have no sense of short-term versus long term:
GDP grows (that's news to you, since you're STILL arguing it's a constant), so eventually, a smaller percentage of a huge number will be bigger than a bigger percentage of a small number.
BUT, revenues grew SLOWER THAN UNDER ANY OTHER PRESIDENT. They grew LESS than they would have, and in the short term, they DID reduce revenues.
But to figure this out, you have to trust numbers and math.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus iF 99% WANT TO REVOKE THE 1ST AMENDMENT, DOES THAT MAKE IT OKAY?? No you shit for brains liberal fuck. We do not live in a democracy, get it through your Mao fucking head. Socialism has failed and is failing all over the world today. This is why every country is fucking broke and this is why europe is doing worse than we are now. Do you know what an unfunded liability is? God damn you are fucking retarded trying to disprove gravity.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Socialism is the only thing savings capitalism, and anyone can see this. Pure capitalism failed a long time ago. If our society is to survive, it will have to gradually become more and more socialist.
You lose. Look me up once you've figured out what GDP is.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
haha.. the warfare doesnt take place in the game but in the comments xD
zesusdk 7 months ago
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TaleWorksMovies 7 months ago
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"You may have met and debated some stupid Democrats before"
HAHAHAHA all democrats are fucking STUPID!! What are you shitting me? LOLOLOLOLOL
"but I am not common stock."
nO, YOURE RIGHT, You are more fucking braindead than all of them. You instantly lose all credibility when you talk about exploitation of workers. HAHAH right out of the communist manifesto. This whole "i am smart" thing is fucking laughable, especially since socialism FAILS 100% EVERYTIME you fucking caveman LMAO
AroundSun 7 months ago
it´s a really good game and i like it very much....but did anyone of you tried to play this game on bad settings? you won´t hit any enemies :D
but okay^^ i have to buy another pc xD
schiefzahn95 7 months ago
@AroundSun
Even better than job market studying is this book (its very boring but you will learn to not trust economic simplicity) "Industrial Organization: Markets and Strategies". Hope you held on to your math books.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Lefties are absorbed into economic fallacies and left/right paradigms. In a free country, each can choose the degree of their liberty as they choose and can change that level at will. In a truely free society I'm sure there would be socialist camps but nobody would be forced to live in them. I might even visit them from time to time (but I sure wouldn't want to live there). I suggest reading or viewing the works of Milton Friedman, Sowell, Peter Schiff, rothbard, mises, hayek
AroundSun 7 months ago
Free market economics IS economics. Very basic, simple, plain, clean, and beautiful. It works like regular arithmetic. 1+1=2. Now when you bring on Keynesian remedies, a central bank, stimulus spending, big gov't programs, regulations, and socialist agendas..This is where it gets confusing and complicated and politicians love it that way because they can reward their friends and punish their enemies. They can gain votes off of giving away other peoples money and cause unintended consequences
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
Wow, your argument is so beautifull. I had never thought of it so clearly! .. now, prey tell. I am also having some trouble understanding Control theory as used in macroeconomic modelling. Perhaps you care to enlighten me ? clearly you know so much about economics.. or perhaps the cointegrated VAR model :) ?
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Lets do your plan. We will print money out of thin air until we are all rich. 100% tax on all business, $100 per hour minimum wage, and well just hire the 14 million unemployed into some inefficient government jobs that are created on the taxpayers dime. Award winning nobel prize recipients like Milton Friedman Thomas Sowell and Peter Schiff make people like you look so pathetic it is so funny. Remember the housing bubble shit for brains?? Yea, thats Keynesian eco for ya
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
Reductio ad absurdum is a logical phallacy.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Liberalism is a mental disorder and is the cancer on our society. You advocate force and coercion over voluntary exchange and mutual consent. Proof that you morons can't do anything without forcing others into your shitty programs. Hows that for a fresh dose of real life outside of the classroom?
SO glad I didnt goto a liberal university or a european marxist college. We used to laugh at priming the pump and how a central bank can magically create money out of thin air
AroundSun 7 months ago
Svar på denne video ...
also, make a mathematical proof that a taylor rule (as used by a central bank in a IS-LM enviroement) is harmfull to the economy.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
Anyone with a lick of sense can understand that you can not spend your way out of a recession. As it is now, the long term effects will burden all future generations. The ridiculous over-spending only creates more hardships for regular, everyday types of people. The super rich won't really ever be faced with the worries and struggles of the working mans reality so they simply do not care. Politicians won't bite the hands that feed them. They have become "leaders" instead of servants. Pathetic
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun
It doesnt take a masters in economics to see that you are oversimplifying, though i am busy taking mine.
Thedreamshaperabc 8 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Oversimplifying? Who told you that you're retarded liberal professor who thinks we can spend our way out of a spending induced crisis? A big government tax and spend moron who wants to play god with the economy and print money out of thin air? Eco 101 will show you that QE is dangerous and causes inflation. Government = inefficient spending versus private sector spending. Your keynesian mindset it what brought on the recession and prolonged the depression.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun
I dont debate economics with people who make claims such as "Anyone with a lick of sense can understand that...", it shows you dont know squat about economics. I am very smart and get very good grades, and i am an arrogant asshole But even i know that economics is vastly more complicated that i could ever comprehend. So anyone saying it is simple has likely learned to much form youtube and fora rather than staying late at the library.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc "Anyone with a brain can understand that when the gov't STEALS your money and redistributes it throughout hte economy, it ususally ends up in the hands oh people who put them in office, people who don't need it, or areas of the economy in which you wouldn't otherwise have spent it. To say that "politicians know best" and that they can spend your money better than you can is fucking ignorant, totalitarian, unconstitutional, bad economically, and goes against being a servant.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc "But even i know that economics is vastly more complicated that i could ever comprehend"
Ahh yes...even more of a reason we need the free market instead of a select few at the top planning and trying to organize a massive economy. Central planning = FAILURE. I am glad you agree with me though...
You get good grades? Woopty doo. Youre taking Keynes economics thats why. Nobody take credit in a free market. You'll learn one day when you actually have to pay taxes little boy
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
I live in Denmark where i pay alot more taxes than you (i dont have to assume ur an american as we have the highest taxes in the world). What i ment with to complicated is that no one person can possibly understand all of the economy, i might understand, say, econometrics and some finance and some macro. But no one (almost i guess) can really master all of the subjects
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc If something works well and is efficient, people will choose it. If something is popular, then you dont have to force people into it. If you have to force people into something it means they didnt want to do it in the first place. I dont really care about denmark, but the US has a CONSTITUTION *GASP and was founded on limited gov't. We are supposed to have servants in office not leaders. Taxes are to be spent on courts police and defense, anything else the market can handle
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
How about education ? hospitals ? plenty of areas enjoy economics of scale. And yes, if markets worked perfectly it would all be so well. Unfortunently you need to study economics (that is, learn about it) to understand it is not that simple. I recommend a good book on job markets as a primer, a very interesting subject.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Education??? Private sector efficiency. Only profits and losses can determine whether a school is doing good or not by how many students are willing to go to what school. Schools have to compete for students outside of government intervention. Hospitals and healthcare? Free market insurance. Why do you have the right to someone elses services?? Doctors should work for free then. Its not that simple?? Oh no, where does the market fail then Id love to hear it
AroundSun 7 months ago
Svar på denne video ...
just like a doctor cant master all specialties
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc You live in fantasy land where we give all our money and freedoms to politicians to decide who will get what. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been practiced and it is not going to magically work one day. Funny thing is though, even if it will work, then people can voluntarily participate. If not, then we should be able to opt out. Liberals cant do ANYTHING without conservatives. If they could, then they would do it voluntarily without forcing people into it.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
socialism works fine in my country, there is a difference between it and hardcore communisme.
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc You just said you have insane taxes. So much for socialism working well. If you are forced into paying even 1 dollar for something that you are not receiving benefits for, then it is not working well. And if you love it so much, thats great!! But dont come to OUR country trying to force it on us.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Only insane people debate other insane people, goodnite
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc I accept your defeat
AroundSun 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc The policymakers are the least effected by their decisions. It is like a group of children with a chemistry set in class, they are mixing chemicals together hoping for a miracle, but in reality they're going to blow us all up! They know nothing other than what their pals in academia lala land tell them while they stroke each other off. Most of them have never been in business in their life.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun
Yes, how we do loathe those damnable intellectuals. I say down with the written word, down with fire and lets get back to our caves. People who disslike academia are people not from academia -_-
Thedreamshaperabc 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc HAHAHAHAHA yea that really refuted ANYTHING i have just said. Keep thinking that politicians have your best interest at heart. Keep believing in messiahs and angels. You want to see where fucking academia got us?? 14 digit debt, 15 digit unfunded liabilities, the brokest country to have ever existed. Crashing dollar and soaring gold and commodity prices. Rome is burning shit for brains. No wonder our government is broke, its filled with poli-sci majors and lawyers.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@Thedreamshaperabc Who are academia jerkoffs in liberal la la land to be controlling peoples lives? Telling people who will live where and make what? As you said, the market and the economy is too complex for a person or group of people to be organizing and controlling everything. You really do have the unconstrained vision and that is sad. DIdnt you just say youre a college student?? How are you paying more taxes than me again???
AroundSun 7 months ago
Liberals don't account for the reduced consumption on the part of the people from whom government must take the money it spends. There's another side of the ledger than simply what additional demand government creates. GDP is always high during a Federal Reserve-induced bubble period and then later declines.
AroundSun 8 months ago
Collectivist thinking is sad because liberals can not do anything on their own with their own money. They can only use the federal government to coerce others. If something is popular and works well, people will choose it. If something is popular and works well, people don't have to be forced into it. Because if you have to force people into something, that means it doesn't work well and wasn't popular in the fist place! Silly libs
AroundSun 8 months ago
In a free country, each can choose the degree of their liberty as they choose and can change that level at will. In a truely free society I'm sure there would be socialist camps but nobody would be forced to live in them. I might even visit them from time to time (but I sure wouldn't want to live there.
AroundSun 8 months ago
Note To all collectivist commenting: Go join your collective hive, just don't? put a GUN to my head and demand that I join(ie- socialized medicine, etc) ---- Understand???? Get it? Leave me the hell alone. You go your way, I'll go my way. Its a no brainer. --- create your own communal system here in the US(outside of Government intervention), you have more than enough people willing -- so whats the problem? Communal living (outside of forced participation) is possible, just do it.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun What? Are you STILL trying to dodge this question?
I'm starting to feel really sorry for you. Like I think maybe you actually ARE retarded.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus "Does stimulus spending work? The data says no"
=)
AroundSun 8 months ago
/watch?v=Zo0h_AR_lJM
AroundSun 8 months ago
In recent times, the Nobel prize is often given for political reasons. And it's interesting how Krugman apologists always point to his, when they are unable to counter opposing views with logic and empirical evidence. "The lord works in mysterious ways" eh?
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Why are you talking about the Nobel Prize when you should be answering the question:
what is GDP? Stop dodging this question.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
"and ALL because they're scared little pussies whose fragile minds can't cope with reality." yup, thats you liberals and big government morons. Just ask steven levitt. Oh wait, he is a crooked libertarian right? Even though he was awarded some of the highest recognition as the youngest and most intelligent economist??
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Guess what? Paul Krugman and Joseph Stiglitz BOTH got the Nobel Prize in economics, and they BOTH disagree with everything you've said. I've got two on my side. You lose again.
And you STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. What is GDP? The formula please.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus Krugman, oh man, you are digging your own grave again. If saving is bad for an economy, how then would capital accumulate? 3.5 trillion dollar yearly budget, with a 1.7-trillion dollar deficit, and he
wants government to spend MORE? We have experienced two consecutive bubbles, and now government spending is creating a monetary third bubble, and his suggestion is more of the same...
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Ooh, you're REALLY desperate to latch onto this Krugman thing, aren't you? ANYTHING but the previous subject, right? I don't blame you necessarily: if I had been so humiliated after failing a day 1 economics 101 question, I might try to change the subject too.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus youre still confusing the definition of gdp with the formula used to calculate it?
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun HAHA!! And he gives us ANOTHER gem!! I've got to say, I am extremely cynical, but you have surprised and delighted EVEN ME with your bottomless stupidity.
To help you out: the formula for GDP IS THE DEFINITION. GDP is a NUMBER, and so the definition is a FORMULA. Just like the definition of, for example, the derivative in calculus is a formula.
Could you have lost this argument any worse than you already have? I submit that you could not.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus nope, definition is all goods and services produced in a given time. The formula for calculating that is an equation. And who are you to be talking about losing arguments, you argued that GDP ALWAYS increases when government spending increases because you are a fucking simpleton. HAHA you also admitted you were wrong. Now you think you won an argument. Are you bi-polar? Go google the formula, im not doing EVERYTHING for you....typical Liberals........"do it for me" - "give me"
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun The formula IS the definition, you're just too stupid to realize it. You won't know what any of this means, but I'll tell you just to hammer in how out of your league you are:
GDP is a number, but not any number. It is a mathematical object known as a function. Specifically, it is a function of four things. I am asking you what those things are, to prove to me that you know what you are talking about. You have so far been unable to do it.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus "You won't know what any of this means" LMAO. coming from someone who has already admitted that he was wrong. Stop trying to sound smart..."GDP IS A NUMBER" LOL...you sound ridiculous now. Just stop being a sore loser and stop trying to save face. I didnt tell you that the formula you typed was wrong, i simply explained that gdp wont always increase, and that some factors (GS) can decrease other factors. Then I gave you a chart which proves it. So just stop and accept defeat
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Just stop, and let you off the hook? I don't fucking think so. You shot your mouth off, got the answer wrong, and are trying to get out of admitting it. It's pathetic. Even more pathetic, you're now trying to retcon your posts, and claim to have said something different than what you actually said. You assuredly did NOT simply say that "government spending won't ALWAYS increase GDP." If you had, I wouldn't have jumped all over you. You said government spending "makes GDP go down."
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AroundSun You THEN gave me a link to a chart, which purported to prove your point. But upon looking at the chart, it became clear that you MISREAD THE CHART, and that regardless of whether the chart is right or wrong (and I won't comment), it DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. You misunderstood "size of government" to mean "government spending," which is not the same. It CAN'T be, or else every definition of GDP is wrong.
Government can get smaller, as it is now, while spending increases.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AroundSun That is why they use TWO TERMS for them, because they are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AroundSun The saddest part of all this is that you COULD have just admitted that you misread the chart. It would have been no big deal. People misread things all the time. It doesn't mean they're stupid, and I would have left you alone.
But, in your arrogance, you just COULD NOT admit to even the TINIEST mistake, and so now instead of admitting a small, who-cares-level mistake, you're now stuck defending TWO mistakes, one of which is HUGE.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus You remind me of a college sophomore who thinks he can run the world because he has NEVER had to run ANYTHING in his measly liberal life. Like Obama and other politicians, people who have never been in business in their lives sitting there on CSPAN trying to tell people how to run their companies. Community organizers, lawyers, political science majors. No wonder the nation is bankrupt.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Blah blah blah
I told you motherfucker, none of your babbling is making anyone forget that you failed econ 101 and you're STILL saying everything you can think of to avoid trying to answer this question that you know you got wrong. Why else wouldn't you answer it? You know, since you have a degree in economics. LMAO.
You lose motherfucker!
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus You are no smarter than a dead chipmunk. I have evidence that I have shown you, you have nothing. How could you be so stupid? Never become a lawyer.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus "Fine. Now give me the definitio of GDP." Not doing your big boy homework for you.
"and explain how the government BUYING GOODS (HINT: that's INCOME) DECREASES GDP"
Government takes resources from the private sector (which is more efficient) in order to spend. Decreasing the amount of capital in the private sector will decrease production. Less jobs, higher prices, lower wages, etc. Companies dont pay taxes, YOU DO! cont.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Efficiency has ZERO to do with GDP, you fucking moron. Thanks for proving for about the 12th time that you don't have any fucking clue what you're talking about.
What you're saying is that $100 of PRIVATE money buys MORE than $100 of DIRTY GUB'MINT money. Do I really have to explain how epicly retarded this is?
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus Efficiency has ZERO to do with GDP, you fucking moron The more efficient a business is, the more they can produce with the least amount of resources. The cheaper these goods and services become leaving more capital to invest in MORE production. Efficiency has EVERYTHING to do with GDP. You really are a fucking idiot!!
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun But GDP is in DOLLARS, you FUCKING FOOL. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? If I pay you $10 for something, it DOESN'T MATTER if you give me twice as much of it as your competitor. It's STILL $10!!! Efficiency has a great deal to do with GROWTH, but in a GIVEN YEAR, it means FUCK ALL.
How do you not get this?
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus Fact: Borrow from overseas, government spending increases, the price of the goods they subsidize increase, taxes raise to cover interest on that very debt, production decreases, exports decrease, unemployment rises, consumption and personal debt increase.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Fact: your attempt to dodge this question is getting old.
You don't know what GDP is, and you lied about having an econ degree. Admit it, you fucking baby.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus "HOW KEN BUYIN STUFFS MAKE DA GDP GO DOWN DURRR?"
Last time I talk to you and last time I show you, /watch?v=Zo0h_AR_lJM
Mountain of evidence that makes you look hillarious.
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun No, you don't show me SHIT. If you're so goddamn smart, EXPLAIN IT YOURSELF, you fucking worm. It'll be faster than watching a video, and more relevant.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus LoL. its a 1 minute clip. Too long for the liberal brain to comprehend? YOU SAID YOU WANTED EVIDENCE, THERE IT IS! I rest my case and you lose SO BAD!!
GOODNIGHT =)
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun HOLY FUCKING SHIT you're a retard! You don't know the definition of GDP, and you can't understand a 1 minute video.
Holy shit, I'm glad I grew out of the infantile disorder that is conservatism.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
Alright, I watched your fucking video. SURPRISE, you MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT HE WAS SAYING. He is talking about increasing the COMPOSITION OF SPENDING, not a simple increase! This does NOTHING to refute the idea of stimulus spending, which has already been proven multiple times to work, and if it did, it would mean our measure of GDP is wrong!
Wow, you REALLY don't know ANYTHING!
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AroundSun It's hilarious how conservatives are SO SURE they're right about everything, but it takes a fucking subpoena to get them to answer a question. It makes one suspect that they really don't know what they're talking about, and they're just repeating the lines given to them by their masters...
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus just because you put your fingers in your ears and go "bla bla bla bla im a liberal lefty retard and im right cuz obama said so, YES WE CAN!! CHANGE!! HOPE!! some other cliches and politic rhetoric" when i answer your question doesnt mean I didnt answer it. You have turned this into YOU talking to YOURSELF. What a fucking mentalcase you are.
YES WE CAN!!CHANGE!! HOPE!! LMAO...3 years later..bailouts, tax cuts..Bank of america campaign contributions, GE, high gold and oil prices
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun Still dodging the question? How surprising.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AroundSun By the way, fucktard: you seem to be under the impression that, once spent by the government, money just disappears. That's incredibly fucking stupid, although being a Libertarian DOES require you to believe a LOT of incredibly fucking stupid things.
But let me attempt to clue you in: once the government spends it, it's just like other money! The government pays PRIVATE COMPANIES for products, and the company GIVES it to them! Easy!
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus You are living in a zero sum game fallacy. You probably also dont believe that when two people trade that they both benefit, because if something is worth ten dollars and its traded for ten, nobody wins. But why would two people trade if it didnt benefit both of them? Capitalism is the evolution of barter. You may be the dumbest person I have ever talked to. Goodnight Fool. You lose, you can;t even come close. You liberals couldnt argue your way out of a wet paper bag!
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun More fucking drivel. You are a CHILD--you have been proven wrong multiple times. You KNOW you're wrong, but you're fucking arrogant to admit it, so you commit MORE errors in your braindead attempt to not appear wrong.
AntiLazarus 8 months ago
@AntiLazarus GDP is a measure of economic activity rather than wealth. That's why GDP doesn't take into account debt. Repaying the debt will decrease economic activity, because taxes will have to be raised to pay for this debt. When this happens, then the effects of the government debt will be reflected in the decreased GDP. How fast would our economy grow if government spending was 100% of GDP? YOURE AN IDIOT!!!!
AroundSun 8 months ago
@AroundSun My word, are you STILL dodging the question? To be fair, I have to give you a LITTLE bit of credit for having the guts to skirt around the issue.
But sadly, you're STILL mistaken. First of all, and most seriously, you STILL have not answered the question. The formula for GDP please. Or, alternatively, you can explain how government spending DECREASES GDP, or admit you were wrong, Your choice.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus For about the fortieth time, Gov't spending does not always increase GDP. if a=b+c but increasing b decreases c, then you aren't increasing A. Only little braindead moron socialist children like yourself who have been wrong about everything can't think outside the box or look at statistical data. You can go on about GDP until you're blue in the face, but you just don't want to admit that you were wrong and that you're a fucking idiot. Its okay, you dont have to =) We both know
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun OK then shithead. We can settle this right now. Just Google the definition of GDP and put it up here. Then tell me what it means.
It ought to be easy for someone as smart as your
*chortle*
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
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@AntiLazarus You're still talking?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Sorry, I cant fix stupid.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Yeah, that's obvious from your posts.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun By the way, you're STILL desperately clutching onto this argument because it's the only remotely-intelligent way you've found to get all the egg off your face, but it's NOT true that "if a=b+c then HERP DERP"
If you've ever taken a math class EVER you'll know that ONLY works when a (in the example) doesn't change. But GDP changes everywhere. In fact, earlier you were babbling on about GDP growth, but all of a sudden, GDP is a constant, and there's nothing you can do to change it.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun So you see, shithead, in your effort to avoid telling the truth (because the truth will always give the lie to Libertarian fantasies), you've not only reinforced the idea in everyone's mind that you don't understand how GDP works, but your inconsistent and seemingly random claims reveal that you don't even know what it IS, let alone how it works or what affects it.
Nice.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
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@AntiLazarus " you've not only reinforced the idea in everyone's mind that you don't understand how GDP works"
LMAO, you were the one who thought that government spending will increase gross domestic product INDEFINITELY. Just because I dont fall in to your childish games and post the formula on here (youre a big boy you can do that) doesnt mean that youre not an idiot!!! Because you absolutely 100% fucking are!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun HERP DERP, government spending DOES increase GDP indefinitely. To prove it, just look at the formula, if you're not STILL too much of a fucking coward to print it here. In real life, eventually, investors will stop loaning you money if you don't pay them, but IF THEY DID, then deficit spending WOULD always increase GDP, ceteris paribus.
Do I really have to hold your hand through this?
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus "I am laughing so hard I am tearing! Spending crisis?! Goldman Sachs receives money from the fed? hahaha"
HAHA I HOPE YOURE STILL LAUGHING...AT YOURSELF!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Haha!! You think CONGRESS can vote on what the FED does? LMAO!! You're so fucking stupid. Wikipedia is your friend, shithead, lol!
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus THe economy will NEVER work the way you want it to work, go it? Capice? You know why? Because it doesn't fucking work that way!! If I am the taxman and take 2 dollars from a hotdog vendor, then give you the two dollars to buy a 3 dollar hotdog, he will simply make hte hotdogs 5 dollars to compensate. If you can't understnad basic mathematics you have no business discussing the economy. Braindead liberal: "I deserve" "I want" "Give me part of the business cuz i sed so" wah
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun *zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* *snore*
Is 5 days enough time for you to figure out what GDP is? Or is it too hard a question?
Further, if you can't figure out what GDP is in 5 days, what makes you think any of your OTHER ramblings are correct?
Son, you're finished. Quit embarrasing yourself.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus You have been wrong about everything and you still are. Go away, I am done feeding the troll.
GS always raises GDP!! LMAO GOOD ONE!! THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS OTHERWISE
"Does stimulus spending work? The data says no" Want me to send you the video again and we can watch it together?? Was it too complicated for your little liberal brain to comprehend?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun The evidence suggests otherwise? HAHAHA!!
Well then why the fuck did you say the OPPOSITE? Why are you saying stimulus spending works, then it doesn't?
Why are you still dodging the question: what is the formula for GDP? This is real easy, so why are you still so terrified of it after over an entire week?
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Don't put words in my mouth you foot stomping cry baby fucking whiner. You know exactly what I mean and you can only try to distort what I said or change the subject to avoid embarrassment. You are a fucking child and are to be treated like one. I said QUOTE "Does Stimulus spending work? The data says no" because that is what was said in the VIDEO that I posted as EVIDENCE that you are WRONG!! Does stimulus spending work? The evidence suggests otherwise. Same fucking thing
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun All that video shows is a vague chart, with NO individual data points listed. You can't what GDP was any particular year, you can't even tell which year is supposed to be which. There's a reason for that: the real numbers prove the Libertarian fuckwits wrong, just as they have for 100 years, so they can't give you a chart that's EASY to understand.
Meanwhile, ALL the rest of the data PROVES that government stimulus works.
I mean, it's right there in the definition of GDP, hehe.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus watch?v=XYoFf84mUV4 there ya go champ!!!
you have to remember that these are simpleton videos for simpletons like you. Libertarians don't create these charts moron LOL!!!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Oh? What's that? Still stumped on GDP? Can't figure it out?
I'm sorry, once you graduate from Econ 101, we can talk about other things, but until you can understand the concept of GDP, there's nothing else to talk about.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun Waaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!
GDP, now, you fucking charlatan.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Let's look at how the increases happened.
1973 through 1981 was through tax increases without corresponding growth in GDP
1981 through 1989 was increased through economic growth and a reduction in taxation. GDP tripled so which is better.
Increase taxation during the 1970's caused the inflation that was corrected under Reagan.
Regardless, government still collects about 18% of GDP regardless of the tax rate. Hikes do NOT increase revenues.
Please take an economics course
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun "1973 through 1981 was through tax increases without corresponding growth in GDP"
GDP in 1973: $1,310.6 billion
GDP in 1981: $3,057.0 billion
GDP increased by 233.25 %.
It more than doubled. You're either an idiot, or a liar.
GDP in 1981: $3,057.0 billion
GDP in 1989: $5,399.5 billion
GDP increased by 176.63 %. It did not triple, and grew slower that 1973-1981, with smaller budget deficits.
tinyurl(.)com/ykh5a9f
Want me to destroy any other arguments while I'm here?
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus MAYBE AFTER HUNDREDS OF MILLION OF PEOPLE ARE KILLED YOUR SYSTEM WILL WORK WELL. LOOK AT YOUR GOOFY PROFILE PICTURE. NOBODY TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY!!!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Haha, just like I thought. Nothing to say.
I accept your surrender.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
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@AroundSun And here you go, asshoole. Here's some ACTUAL data proving stimulus spending works:
tinyurl(.)com/3zuwn9m
The reason our stimulus didn't work as well as hoped was because....40% of it was TAX CUTS!!
Thank yo for playing, you've just proved your OWN argument wrong yet again.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun *sob*
"The economy DOES NOT work that way! I DON'T LIKE IT!"
You're so pathetic.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Im pathetic???? Surrrrre bud...run along now with your head down and your tail between your legs you fucking imbecile
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Oh! Here' s post from AroundSun i which he doesn't say ANYTHING, doesn't dispute ANYTHING I wrote, but just begs for me to go away and leave him alone, and quit kicking him in the ribs while he's lying facedown in the dirt from the econ beatdown he just received.
Sorry assface, it's for your own good. As long as petulant children continue to be petulant, they continue to need discipline.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus What is funny is that you are so wrong, that what you think is the norm, is actually the exception to the rule. The economy usually declines after periods of bubble induced spending. God you're an idiot
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun That's very impressive how you "know" what "I think" is the norm, because I HAVEN'T SAID anything about that.
What's that? A Loony Libertarian putting words in a superior opponent's mouth in a desperate attempts to score debate points? Why, I never!
All I said is that if you don't even know how to calculate GDP, which you still don't, and are still dodging the question, then there's a lot of OTHER stuff you'll fuck up to.
And so you have.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus "That's very impressive how you "know" what "I think" is the norm, because I HAVEN'T SAID anything about that."
You: "Government spending ALWAYS increases GDP"
I rest my case, you're an idiot.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun *buzz*
Wrong again! I said government spending increases GDP ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL. Of course, if G goes up $10, and C goes down $10, GDP will remain the same.
But that's not what you said. Let me make this clear: your dishonest arguments will NOT get by me. You may have met and debated some stupid Democrats before, but I am not common stock. You will not fool me with subtle alterations of your quotes. I KNOW what you said, and YOU know what you said, and it was wrong.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus "Maybe I am wrong" That is what you said, and was the only time you were right. Are you still arguing this you little shit brained child??? You saw the video, youve seen the graphs, and your fucking wrong. So just admit it and stop tryingto save face. Just because government spending increased doesnt mean other factors will decrease equally. They decrease more than the spending was raised. Youre also a simpleton for not understanding the fed's effect on prices and consumption
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun I've got graphs too, shithead. I asked you to look at them. Guess what? YOU DODGED THAT QUESTION TOO!! Just like you're STILL dodging my question about GDP.
You made a STUPID mistake and revealed the fact that you don't even know what GDP is, and now you're increasingly pissed off that I am calling you on it, and attracting people's attention to it, and won't let you weasel out of it.
Son, you have LOST this argument. Every time you dodge my questions just reinforces it.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus "I've got graphs too, shithead" No you don't. Liberals are scared of facts c'mon now. They are idealists not realists. Im not pissed off, liberal shit for brains dont piss me off because they are always wrong. It is quite amusing actually!! They can't even look at a simple chart. BTW, raising taxes won't increase tax revenues. Never has. We collect 18% regardless whether taxes are high or low. You lose, stop sending me messages now troll.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Oh, you want some charts? Here's a chart proving you wrong about tax increases decreasing revenues. Reagan did it, and also LOST revenue by decreasing tax rates:
tinyurl(.)com/43qeh27
You WILL look at it this time, right? Especially since you just threw a shitfit about me not looking at your unintelligible graph? You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, right?
"stop sending me messages, I'm tired of being proven wrong!"
Pathetic. Figure out what GDP is and you can graduate.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus The article and graph you just gave me agrees that revenues increased. They just claim that growth wasn't as fast as prior.It also acknowledges the inflation rate.It talks about GDP and growth rate not tax revenues. Nice job trying to dig up any piece of data you can come up with hoping that I wouldn't read it. You could not be any more of a fucking idiot. You said that Sachs didn't receive money from the fed. I mean, how out of touch with reality are you? Living under a rock?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun OF COURSE revenues increased, you moron. Revenues ALWAYS increase as the economy grows. "It talks about GDP and growth rate not tax revenues." Dude, the NAME OF THE ARTICLE is "Effect of Reagan, Kennedy, and Bush Tax Cuts on Revenues."
You didn't read any of it. Especially not this part:
"the real growth in individual income tax receipts was 9.41% from 1981 to 1991 and 10.41% from 1982 to 1992. These were the lowest growth rates of any of the 58 10-year spans from 1940 to 2007."
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Economic growth and tax revenues are two different things. Economic growth is not simply how much money the government has. YOUR FUCKING STUPID
"Goldman Sachs received bailout money? durr? whats an AIG?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus There is a certain 'green zone' where a population is being taxed the perfect amount to facilitate maximum income for the govt. If you tax too high, the economy will decline, investment will dry up, and anyone with money will horde it away to avoid the tax man. If you tax too little, the govt. simply can't run. But even to the right of the green zone, cuts to the tax rate still increase the tax base - i.e., economic activity.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Oh yeah, all those Americans whose homes have fallen in value in 20%, who are saddled with debt, whose wife or husband may have lost their job, they're going to stop working as much because "the government is simply taking too much of my money, so I won't work anymore!"
If only life were that easy, you drooling idiot. Real Americans have to work to support themselves regardless of what the tax rate it. They don't have other workers to leech off of, like the super-rich.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Leech off of? You mean, people who accept work voluntarily?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun No, those people who have a choice to either work or starve to death. Nothing voluntary about it.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus BLA BLA BLA...YOU WANT GOVERNMENT TO RUN YOUR LIFE CUZ YOU CANT RUN YOUR OWN LIFE!!! GO HUG A TREE!!! YOUVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!!! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER, SO YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE WRONG AND BE BEATEN ALL THE TIME! HAVE FUN SHIT-BRAINED COMMIE!! Keep it up with those emotion striking statements that make me just wanna get out and vote for the next dickhead to lie to your face and get in office!!! youre truly retarded
HOPE!! CHANGE!! YES WE CAN!! YAY!! LMAO.
AroundSun 7 months ago
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@AroundSun Are you changing the subject again? Why don't you want to talk about tax levels anymore?
Could it have anything to do with the fact that I just caught you in another lie? What's that you say? You're not a liar? Well then I guess you're just plain fucking stupid.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun @AntiLazarus Get your fucking argument off of here! Nobody wants to read your shit, go argue on a video relevant to what the fuck you have to say if it's gotta be a youtube argument.. Christ you're filling up the comments page about politics on a gameplay video!!?? Seriously? Pathetic..
travitude43 7 months ago
@travitude43 cry me a river
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus So shit for brains, why isn't the tax rate 99%? If we can raise taxes, raise the minimum wage, and print money out of thin air why arent we all rich? How come the democrats never actually tax the rich, they tax the middle class??? Oh thats right, because there are too many millionaire phony democrats, we cant tax them. Everyone in hollywood onboard with huge tax increases? PFFF PLEASE!!!! Why doesnt the government just run every industry since their so fair and efficient?
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun It is not 99% because we as a people have not chosen for it to be 99% If everyone decided that they WANTED it to be 99%, and they WANTED a government-controlled economy, then it work just fine. Just look at Japan and Korea, who after WWII built up their economies through EXTENSIVE government control, and did it WAY faster than the "free market" US. Let me guess: you didn't know this, because John Stossel never told you.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus The US was not a free market. You lose........
Economic world report, the most successful countries with the highest growth rates are the freest countries in the world. You are a fucking moron. Korea? What are you talking about NORTH KOREA??? HAHAHA. South Korea is doing a LITTLE better my friend haha. Look at Hong Kong and tell me that the free market is evil. YOU ARE A SOCIALIST, END OF STORY, YOU ARE WRONG AND STUPID. , YOU FAIL!!!
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun Of course the US is not a free market. The free market has been irrelevant for a century. Which also means that none of the US's success is due to the free market. In reality, you have to examine the details, not just shout slogans.
This is why the Libertarians are constantly wrong.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AntiLazarus Uhm? No sane libertarian looks to any place but Somalia as an example of a real world free market.
thegibsonfromhell 6 months ago
@AntiLazarus A moron like you wouldn't understand competition. Both in prices, customers, and in labor.
AroundSun 7 months ago
@AroundSun So the effect of Reagan's tax cuts was to SLOW GROWTH MORE THAN UNDER ANY OTHER PRESIDENT BEFORE.
Revenues under Reagan grew slower than under Carter, slower than under Bush, slower than under Clinton.
So it turns out common sense wins: increasing tax rates DOES increase revenue, and cutting tax rates DOES NOT.
You lose AGAIN. Game over, motherfucker. Read a book and come back.
AntiLazarus 7 months ago
@AroundSun No, YOU are an idiot, or a LIAR. Government spending DOES always increase GDP ceteris paribus (let me guess: you don't have a fucking clue what THAT means, either, even though you "have a degree in econ;" what a shameless liar).
So keep whining and crying all you want, shithead, everybody knows that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GDP IS, lmao!!
Oh, what an INTELLECTUAL!!! He can't figure out GDP, but he knows the solutions to ALL our problems, lol!
AntiLazarus 7 months ago