Callas - Enzo adorato, ah, come t'amo - La Gioconda

[MrPipposiculo]

E' sempre un momento emozionante !

Questa frase e cantata in questo modo rivelano la grandezza della Callas .

[valholl82]

11 persone non erano degne di ascoltare queso video...

[Dianaemanuel]

There must be very few people on here who actually heard Callas live (and during those 'golden years' of the 50s). I like the fact that people are so passionate about her art. She was truly a legend. However, I dislike the constant damning of other singers who are compared to her and found wanting in every respect. People who do this offer us little other than their boring prejudice. Callas herself admired many singers and could appreciate their gifts. I wish some people on here could too!

[Qbendanny]

Opera begins and ends with Callas. Sure there are other great singers, but, she alone made history with her style, which is to this day copied and sadly imitated. Rosa Ponselle made history singing Norma, Callas changed it, and took it to another dimension of theatrical power. Maria had a true beautiful voice. Those who say it was *Ugly* are probably frustated Tebaldi fans or worse fans of the greatest boring singer in history, Sutherland. VIVAT CALLAS! Her recordings still outsell all others.

[ubedajils]

@Qbendanny This woman singing was always, as we say in spain, "en estado de gracia". Thank you for your comment :)

[kuintesa]

obviamente!!CALLAS #1 por los siglos de los siglos!!!!amen.

[daveboy44]

Muchas gracias otra vez por poner este parte de Gioconda aqui en YouTube. Callas era una artista sin igual. Soy un musico profesional y Callas me da inspiracion por continuar. Tengo lagrimas cuando escucho sus grabaciones. Unas personas hablan de el tono de la voz. Casi nunca pueden entender de su musicalidad.

[dziady1]

I wrote as long as her singing pleases you that's all that matters -you obviously have limited knowledge about the art of singing making all this pointless .Start with

Souzay and on to Podles and you may learn .Best of luck ! -

[ubedajils]

@dziady1 Cuando conoces lo mejor, todo lo demás, como mucho, está bien y, en cualquier caso, no hace especial falta. Agradezco tu suficiencia consejera, pero dedícasela a quien le pueda interesar. Suerte.

[dziady1]

Now that is a couple Callas and Lady Gaga and how clever of you to note the

similarity, both are "artifice" the toss up

is which was (is ) better ..........

[ubedajils]

@dziady1 No estoy de acuerdo, un artificio, por definición es algo construido que no existe más que por la voluntad de su constructor. Calificar a Callas como artificio, o su éxito como artificioso, es algo alejado de la realidad. Si alguien gusta por una cosa, es mejor que si alguien gusta por otra? Depende de lo excelso de aquello que produce tales gustos. Es igual de excelso la un folletín de novela barata, que, pongamos por caso, El Quijote. No, creo que no.

[dziady1]

ubedajils - this all means nothing , it is a passing amusement for a very very small segment of the world .To the majority the life and death of Callas means absolutely nothing ,is she gave you pleasure through

whatever singing she did then that is all

that matters .

[ubedajils]

@dziady1 Desde luego, lo que importa es lo que para quien la escucha qué le hace sentir. Por supuesto que para la inmensamayoría de la gente lo que es y significó (y significa) Callas, no significa absolutamente nada. Preferimos Lady Gaga, no porque sea mejor, que no lo es, sino porque existe internet y la fiebre colectiva de ver lo que te dicen que otros han visto. Pero, por mucho que no signifique nada para la mayoría, eso no le resta un ápice de su valor ni de su posición en la historia.

[dziady1]

ubedajils- it all depends on how one tolerates cats and yowling .You could drive a truck through and park it without touching the edges of this yowling wobble . Some consider this singing and some

may not .Once you have heard Podles

sing you may not , it all depends......

[ubedajils]

@dziady1 Coincido con la mayoría de críticos y con la opinión de que Callas cambió el mundo de la ópera tal como era conocido, y no sólo por su arte interpretativo, sino por su voz, magistral gracias a sus imperfecciones y singularidades, y a su torrente casi infinito. Hay quien canta un Do, hay quien interpreta un Do, y hay quien vive y te hace vivir el Do y todo lo que significa. Eso es y será Callas. Calificar de alarido su canto... y más en esta pieza! es un gran dislate.

[diuscorvus]

@dziady1 I'm sure you're aware that Podles greatly respects Callas's art. In fact, Podles first became inspired to sing opera by listening to Callas's 1953 Tosca recording. I would imagine that Podles hardly considered this sublimity to be 'yowling.'

[dziady1]

@diuscorvus - I seriously doubt Podles greatly respects

Callas's art whatever that so called art was ..Podles is

still a great singer something Callas never was having

only a few good notes the rest being artifice., but she

had a good run on whatever few notes that where not shrieks or in search of a pitch .She acted "diva" to

perfection , great to watch !!!!

[diuscorvus]

@dziady1 This is what Podles, a great singer herself, said of Callas (Opera News 2006): "People are funny, because they can’t be happy. If they have somebody like Maria Callas in front of them, they always try to find something wrong, something bad, a few mistakes ... Nothing disturbed me, nothing! I bought everything that she offered me. Why? Because all of her voices, her registers, she used how they should be used — just to tell us something! She had a message for us, a fantastic message. "

[kgarmaker123]

@diuscorvus What a great post.. so informative as to Podles views!

[ubedajils]

@diuscorvus La ignorancia de diuscorvus es sideral. Pero no deja de ser una opinión, su opinión, aunque quienes saben de música, consagrados en lo suyo, y la historia, digan justo todo lo contrario. Pero... si él es feliz pvoneándose con tales dislates, dejémosle disfrutar, al pobre.

[dziady1]

That top was a real yowl -enough to bring the cats home

[ubedajils]

@dziady1 Is it a critique or a praise?

[abracadabranque]

Toute la musique est dans sa voix..!

[65attila]

Liz

Silly one- what drives you to dislike steady singing. Perhaps you have vertigo and

cannot hear the difference or maybe you are so pathetically lonely you need to attach yourself to a dead singer. You really did not talk about the high Bb of Milanov, Cerquetti and/or Bumbry. You just spew banalties about drama, intensity etc. Getting the notes right is part of what a singer needs to do.

You are a waste of time but I have time to ridicule you. You need immodium for

your verbal diarhea

[Elisabetta611]

@65attila

Spare me your pseudo psychology. Either use musical arguments or let it go.

[sillyboydeux]

There it is. The b-flat that breaks everyone's heart. This is not an "opera singer", but a woman in love, and thus we can understand the nature of her art: "Practice until you disappear, and the character comes alive within you".

[mcallaspersempre]

Esto es hermoso; para llorar viva La Callas!!!

[tebaldicallas]

Callas voice is a bit unsteady and too beautiful here IMO

[rhapsodyaaa]

@R7Baritone yo tambien tengo esta grabacion si quieres me pasas tu msn y yo te mando las partes que quieras

[braveheart030]

soooo beautiful!

[musighitta]

incredibile suono, che risonanza aveva la voce di questa donna!!!!

[R7Baritone]

Hola!

Lamento molestarte, pero, ¿podrías colocar "Voce di donna" y/o "E cantan su lor tombe" de esta misma grabación?

Gracias!

[ubedajils]

No es molestia. Lamentablemente, ya no dispongo de la grabación.

No obstante, y conociendo internet, estoy seguro de que en emule o mediante torrent podrás encontrar la grabación completa.

Felices Pascuas.

[mcallaspersempre]

La verdad que es una alegría poder escucharla gracias. Me erncantó el video. La Callas es exelente.

[belcantismo]

Muchas gracias por tus palabras y para la funcion didactica que tienen en un contesto generalista como es YouTube.

A parte de todo hablar de Maria Callas y dejar escuchar su Arte es como referirse a una diosa, descendida a la Tierra en el 1923 y subida de regreso en el 1977.

[marylambcarter]

thanks ... THANK GOD per LA CALLAS

[erial80]

Es la grabación Cetra con GIULIO NERI, cuya voz - una de las hermosas voces de bajo profundo- es claramente distinguible. Y éso, acaba con la discusión NO ES una grabación 'del vivo' El tenor era Poggi.

Erial80

[ubedajils]

Así es y salvo que comercialicen grabaciones equivocadas, en la mía indica exactamente lo que has dicho, de donde saqué la pista de audio para este clip. Y es que hay quien chapotea en el error contumaz.

Gracias, un saludo.

[Aetion]

If you hate Callas that much, I cannot understand why you have Callas - Gioconda - A te questo ... as you only favoutite !...

[Aetion]

You repeat the same things without answering to my comment. Was the performance at Arena di Verona a great success or not? The fact that she was only 23 years old makes this success more important. Elena Souliotis sung Abigail with 21 only! SO what? Marias brilliant career all over the world was not certainly due to Meneghinis money, was it? I dont care if you dont like Callas, its your problem. At least try to be a little objective.

[vitruvio2]

1952 fonit cetra ....questo è un si bemolle??no è la voce degli angeli sulla terra

[ubedajils]

Sí y sí. 1952 fonit-cetra (tengo la grabación comercializada) y desde luego que es una voz angelical. Un abrazo.

[bonanplu]

The note on the Bflat is sung dreadfully with a vibrato of half a toneBflat/A natural, Bflat/Anatural, Bflat/A natural...the note is dreadfully placed, unsteady, wobbly, thin, clear.How many Gioconda perf sang Callas ? I can be counted with the fingers of a hand, 3 perf in 1947 at the ridiculous age of 23 and 4 or 5 shy perf in 1952 and goodbye

[daveboy44]

I think your hearing is not good. Her vibrato on this B flat is perfect. There is NO A-natural at all. It is supported and has a magnificent diminuendo at the end. It touchest the heart. Please listen again with your ears open. Callas was amazing here in 1959.

[ubedajils]

Tengo que insistir, es la grabación de 1952, señor.

[Aetion]

"3 perf in 1947 at the ridiculous age of 23" at Arena di Verona, selected to open the season by Tullio Serafin and Giovanni Zanatello!!! La Gioconda was made her famous. It was the beginning of her brilliant career. As to how many times she has sung this opera, you can just look at the right side of the site. Now, what or who is ridiculous is obvious I think.

[bonanplu]

she sang the role in only two productions, 3perf, in 1947 (at the ridiculuos age of 23 to sing Gioconda) and in 1952 at la Scala (because her husband Meneghini paid much money in Milano for she could sing in that theater) one time and goodbye, less tahn 10 perf in total

[kgarmaker123]

and she recorded the opera. twice, both of those recordings better than any others on disc.. as even admitted by Renata Tebaldi.. who greatly admired Callas' Gioconda. However, if you dont like her voice, that is a legitimate criticism, but dont act like she did not change opera, or that her husband paid to make her famous.. its ridiculous.. and you look very ignorant in the process.

[Faust075]

Indeed, this is from the 1959 recording at La Scala (Votto conducting) not 1952.

[Jenia2304]

Maria, tu es la meilleure !!!! Personne ne peut t'égaler !

[kgarmaker123]

This wasnt recorded in 1952, this sounds to me like the studio version in 1959 .. it is a gorgeous recording.

[ubedajils]

Puedo asegurarte que se trata de la grabación de 1952. Tan sólo, fíjate en su voz, qué fresca, qué segura en el agudo, y que ausencia de trémolo. 1952, querido... 1952.

[kgarmaker123]

Yes she sings this extremely well, and it is a good thing that most of the people who have listened to it realize it, as some on here do not have any ears.

[Aldobrandini]

I don't usually care for Callas's sound, but she sings this phrase nicely, for sure. But for sheer beauty and perfect tone, Milanov is in a class of her own on the 1957 recording; hard to believe various people have claimed she was "past her prime" in 1957 when "Enzo adorato" is proof she wasn't, and then there are all the other beautiful passages, esp. in the last act. I don't know of any 40-year-old soprano who could come close to Milanov's voice today, let alone a 51-year-old.

[kgarmaker123]

I like Milanov... the difference between the two sopranos ...... Maria means every word.

[kgarmaker123]

@Aldobrandini I have listened to it on the recording and her live at the met performance and they are not even close to this.

[Aldobrandini]

If it's Callas' particular sound you like, then one can hardly argue with sth as subjective as the tone of a voice. But to say Milanov's recordings "are not even close" to Callas' recordings is 1) being arrogant, and 2) ignoring that Milanov had no wobble and sounds infinitely more secure way up high. Still, all the ladies at the very top of the opera profession such as Milanov, Callas and Tebaldi all had good reason for being there; let's enjoy them for what they did best.

See you.

[sillyboydeux]

@Aldobrandini I am afraid I don't agree with "Milanov" being anywhere near the top of her profession. In the 50s she would have a decent Tosca, a lousy Trovatore, a middle of the road Aida. But she belongs no where near Callas and Tebaldi in terms of sheer professionalism because of her LAZINESS. You can argue vocal quality ad nauseam, but the other two earned the respect of their colleagues because of their dedication to music and not overconfident mediocre house sopranos.

[diuscorvus]

@Aldobrandini Milanov's tone was creamier than Callas's, but if you listen to the version posted by VivaMariaCallas, you'll notice that Milanov teeters and whitens a bit on the high B and doesn't perform a messa di voce, which I think would've been musically appropriate.

[VivaMariaCallas]

@diuscorvus Milanov does a messa di voce in her earlier versions.  I'll post her 1939 version, her voice is more vibrant than in the 1955 I posted, but she seems to have run out of breath for the '...mo.'

[nqqa]

Ciertamente, son los 5 minutos de música que me llevaría a una isla desierta. Como ella, ninguna.....He comparado con la de Milanov,la cual es hermosa...pero la "messa di voce" de Callas tiene una intensidad creciente que no la tiene la de Milanov, que tal vez, sea más "pura técnicamente"...Y , por otro lado, el inmediato "final" que Votto le da es increible...profundo, intensísimo, parece que se "cae" la orquesta a un precipicio...y te arrastra con ella.

[d123h456]

She sings this passage beautifully too on her second studio Gioconda in 1959 where she is in fantastic voice. A young Cossotto sounds lovely in that version too. Thanks for the upload.

[Elisabetta611]

She may not have Milanov's pianissimo...But her musicality is unmatched! The way she colors that phrase....so much love and adoration...I never got that from Milanov.

[bonanplu]

Callas always had dreadful high notes.ALWAYS

[Elisabetta611]

In your sick and twisted mind maybe. GROW UP!

[bonanplu]

No Elisabetta: they are all in her recordings, wretched thin unsteady and ugly high notes.Callas was totally unable to hit a firm and beautiful high note

[Elisabetta611]

Utter nonsense. Get an education. Read what great singers, conductors, musicians and experts had to say about her. They are right. YOU are wrong.

[ubedajils]

bonaplu know more than all the singers, musiciens, conductors... "of course".

[65attila]

bonanplu

I agree with you but Elisabetta611 only says the same platitudes and insults to people who disagree with her about Callas. I went through this with her.

She even stoops to attacking someone's grammar. Anything but discuss the musical issue specifically- just platitudes- Maria this & Maria that.

This is decent Callas but I agree about Milanov + Cerquetti in the recording @ 1955 and Bumbry Live - Trenton NJ @ 1972 are better than this.

[Elisabetta611]

@65attila

Agree all you like. And bitch about me, if you don't have the guts to talk to me. But it still doesn't make Bonaplu's nonsense true. Prime Callas had high notes others can only dream about. Suck it up and live with it, Besides, even if her high notes went downhill later, I'm not a high notes fetishist. I care about artistry, drama, passion, style...all of which Callas had. Milanov? Turned whole phrases into vowels. Cerquetti? Underdeveloped. Bumbry? Shouldn't have sung it at all.

[bonanplu]

every Callas A natural are notes between an A natural and an Aflat.

The same her awful Bflats, Bs, etc

[Elisabetta611]

Please learn some grammar!!!

[Heraopera]

Every time listening to this recording I feel that she have been THE OPERA

[LoveIsTheOnlyLaw]

bellissima.........

[pasfresh123]

Yes, that's exactly what Ardoin said in The Callas Legacy about that same passage.

[franz0woyzeck]

is this the Cetra recording? (last act?)

[ubedajils]

I think so.

[diuscorvus]

This is the 1952 Cetra recording, and it's from the first act.

[franz0woyzeck]

thanks I found it this morning. I think I prefer her later recording but the 52 one had a better cast except maybe Barbieri.

[cleanears]

Quì vince la Milanov comunque...

[00ceroalaizquierda00]

Dioooooooooos.. qué lloro.. T_T

Creí que nadie subiría esto nunca a YT, todo el mundo dice.. Gioconda.. Suicidio.. pero yo me quedo con este pequeño momento en toda la ópera sin duda alguna.. qué bonito.. T_T

Callas es única

GRACIAS

PD:También hay otro pequeño fragmento al final de la ópera casi tan bonito como este..

"Vergine Santa, allontana il Demonio.."

GRACIAS NUEVAMENTE^^

[ubedajils]

Un placer poder compartir con el mundo, dárselo a conocer a no pocos y lograr que otros recuerden un pasaje tan delicado, tan hermoso y, caray, tan bellamente interpretado.

Única, verdaderamente, es lo menos que se puede decir de Maria.

Qué huérfanos nos has dejado!

Un saludo.

[00ceroalaizquierda00]

El placer es mio.xDD

Yo lo pensaba subir en vista de que nadie lo hacía.. porque algo como esto no podía faltar por aquí

Pero.. ese trabajo que me ahorraste..^^

qué razón llevas en lo de que huérfanos..

otro saludo también para ti

(^o^)/

[daveboy44]

Que maravilloso! Esto momento es unas de mis favoritas de Maria Callas (y tengo TODOS te sus gravaciones). Lo siento por mi Espanol terrible. Es solo que las palabras que has ponido despues de su si bemol son tan verdad. Por escuchar en algo tan bonito es un placer y un dolor tan dulce en el mismo tiempo. Gracias.

[ubedajils]

No importa que tu español sea mejor o peor. La emoción convierte cualquier español en inteligible. Y yo comparto tu emoción. Un saludo :)

[birgitnilsson]

Creo que la mejor cantante no existe(o elmejeor cantaante).Pero nadie, ni antes ni luego de Callas, tuvo la fuerza y el poder de realmente transmitir un personaje en todas sus dimensiones.

[ubedajils]

Comparto totalmente la segunda parte de tu post. Hay una cualidad no sé si decir innata, pero formidable en Callas que es, si se quiere lo más reconocido: su capacidad para transmitir, imprimir en cada nota y gesto toda la carga dramática del personaje, y sólo por ello ha sido única.

[ioSonoCallas]

Maravilloso! Muchas gracias.