ATC talk way too fast!! my dad is one and he is a 100 word a minutetalker I never knew how foreign or Fluent english speakers knew what he was on about!! they should speak more clearly
I know not shit about flying or ATC but he spoke very clearly its obvious he doesn't know enough english an was guesssing at what ATC meant 981 needs to learn english or stay off the damn radio this is how people get killed..
Yeah blind leading the blind. ATC should never say "cleared" unless issuing a clearance - "hold position and state intentions" is what you usually hear now. Shocking english though.
Fault was of both sides, ATC should always follow standard grammar rules of English, saying "They had cleared you into the ramp?", apart of being a "question" in a statement form, it's dangerous when said to a foreign through radio communication.
Moreover when doing that job you should remain calm, I know it gets hard time to time but it's fundamental.
I really don't understand guys that put side on Air China... The airport setting is JFK! KJFK! where there is heavy traffic volume! Is not a small county airport! JFK tower deals huge number of traffic there and mistakes can take hundreds of lives! First of, Air China pilot really needs to take English course and take FAA test AGAIN! I heard from the major airline pilots that English! Is really crucial that if you don't speak English fluently, FAA won't let YOU to have certificate!
@Shipocute Doesn't matter, the ATC shouldn't have gotten mad. The last thing you want to do is yell at the pilot, and put him under pressure. Yelling never helps anyone. And you said it yourself, mistakes can take hundreds of lives, so he should have just repeated himself slowly, and calmly.
It's not that the Air China Pilot is dumb or incompetent, his English skills are just poor. The problem is that towers are allowed to use native languages (this guy started off flying only in china), but must be able to provide english (for foreign pilots)
@skidrum11 He is incompetent. The phonetic alphabet is used for a good reason so that pilots can transmit and receive intelligeble radio messages regardless of their native language. This pilot obviously did not bother aquaint himslef with this tool otherwise he could clearly distinguish November (for N) from Mike (for N). The ICAO uses phonetic alphabet for safety reasons. It would behoove any pilot to learn to use it.
@skidrum11 Yes you may use native languages if you are flying VFR but since all commercial flights are IFR they have to speak english no matter where in the world they are
Haha, It sounds so rude, but I know i've done this before! I would have held him and just made him follow a follow-me. Ugh. Accents suck on the radio!
Besides the listening problem, the biggest problem is that the pilot feels embarrassed if he cannot speak as fast as a native speaker. As a result, he tried to speak what he think is fluent English. It will be much better if he can just forget about completing the sentences and just repeat the key words like "HOLD SHORT AT MIKE ALPHA, 981".
Thank god i work on a small helicopter field as a ground (well, they say ground, but it's clearance & delivery) controller where the pilots are either Dutch with good english, or English.
Cause I'd be pissed too if i had one of those idiots on my freq.
@jalexb88 How about safety? People could've been killed. This is not the time for being nice, warm, and fuzzy. This is serious, all of aviation is serious. Whoever allowed this chinese guy even near the cockpit of an airliner should be hung by his toes.
He was being patient, and had every right to lose his patience.
A ground controller at JFK doesn't have time to put up with this, he has loads of other traffic.
The pilot should have known english more proficiently and should have been taking notes.
And yes, ATCs talk fast in America, that's how we do things here. Sorry, we're not going to slow down for everyone else. We have busy airspaces and airports.
@cfapilot We have busy airspace and airports in Europe as well, but we put more consideration in the fact that in some parts in the world english is not the main language. We use phraseology here and i can personally say that mostly US pilots are those, who usually do not udnerstand basic instructions.
But if that makes you feel special, stay different in The US. We¨re more flexible and adapt to your disabilities.
@highgrossweight, You're absolutely right, but this is a good example why the ICAO had to think about a language rating, the pilots' listening skill is really poor here as it is about most asians. By the way I would say "limitations" instead of "Disabilities"
ATC IS in charge of the pilots. If they weren't, there would be crashes all over the place. When you fly, you're in their jurisdiction, not the other way around.
@milla4da8killa yes and no. As PIC, you still have ultimate authority over whether or not you will take an atc clearance (provided of course, you believe the clearance to be unsafe). FAR 91.3 states
a. The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
b. In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
Sometimes the ATC forgets that they have a job because we (the pilots) fly. So they work for us, to help us, but they sometimes act like they own the airfield and know-it-all...
All I can say is that whether or not the question would be typical of what you would hear, this pilot was very scatterbrained and definitely not prepared at all. I am a pilot myself and more than anything it's the preparation that is key. He should have had a paper and pencil ready so he could write it down an repeat it. But It sounds like it's a bigger passenger plane............so where is the co-pilot...? Sounds to me like he may have been slacking if this is the case.
when you hear about airline problems in the news alot of times its because foreign pilots with little to no english don't understand what the controllers are saying. the FAA should control this problem better.
@tonetriv..dude english is the official language in most part ofthe world...and get ur logic rite before u speak...the international airport all over the world just speak english and only english....
The ATC was so Clear in his Question and any other pilot would recognize what he have said,, i think pilots should learn English Very well before they start flying .. Cuz bad Communication can lead to Bad Accidents !
ATC was not using standard phraseology. should have been, "Query are you cleared to the gate?" The upward intonation at the end of a question is not always clearly heard on the radio. So standard phraseology uses the "Query" term. This isn't a language issue, it's a standardization issue.
the 'standard' is that you know english, eg, if you need to ask/respond to questions or construct a sentence (mayday call). the pilots a moron, cant get around it
I don't call people morons, but I can make an exception now. "Have they cleared you to the gate?" is not standard radio phraseology. "They cleared you to the gate" is ambiguous -- who is "They"? Is it a question or a statement?
Shouting makes it worse. Condenser mics are designed to suppress noise spikes -- screeches, growls, roars, booms. Shouting is ineffective, inefficient, immature. In Asian cultures, shouting is considered, arrogant, inflammatory, insulting. You'd lose your balls.
I'm sorry but that ATC guy is a Pr*ck of the highest order. What these pilots should start doing is shouting in their own language at the ATC guy, see if he likes it. No wonder the Americans have so many problems. How about using STANDARD RT people. Every other country in the world uses english RT properly except the yanks!
You go to Heathrow and listen to the controllers there. Those guys are the best in the world for a reason, because they SPEAK ENGLISH S.L.O.W.L.Y to foreign pilots!
He is speaking slowly at first. And he doesn't lose his temper until much later. Foreign airlines usually speak fairly decent and understandable English, which means they make an effort to enunciate and read back instructions in the most polite of manners. Air China 981 was not paying attention and was not making an effort to stay focused, and read back incorrect instructions very nonchalantly.
These international airports in the U.S.A. are far busier than others such as Heathrow. They have no time to deal with foreign pilots that haven't learned English sufficiently. They deal with thousands of flights daily, all of which have the potential to cause scores of deaths if not handled safely. Pilots such as this air china pilot interfere with this normal flow of traffic.
they have no time to deal with foreign pilots who have not learnt English well?......fucking hell!!..I hope they do make the time or they will have a serious fucking problem very soon!!!!!!!
Well, this is America. We speak English here. We are not going to adapt to everyone's language just cuz it's inconvenient for them to learn English. It's the foreign pilots who will have a serious problem if they can't abide by this very simple rule.
So if United flies to China, they should speak Chinese? That logic doesn't solve anything.
At 1.1 billion people, of whom 25% speak English, China is already the biggest English-speaking nation on earth. The US population is only 250 million, and not all of them speak English.
The US is the only country in the world where a college student is NOT required to learn a second language.
This is not a language issue, it's a standardardization issue.
well if you knew anything, you would know that English is the language spoken at all Airports and by all ATC...if you go to Japan..the ATC speak English there, Russia they speak english. Its the chosen language for Airline traffic..Not because were "American" and "better" than everyone else, thats just the language.
The Air China Pilot should have been properly trained to speak English as part of his requirement to become a International pilot..it had nothing to do with him flying to America.
I'm sorry but the international language used for aviation is English. it is very simple, if you don't understand the language fluently you are not supposed to be on the radio. this is not about being polite and nice to the foreigner, this is about safety. i can't count the number of times accidents have related to poor communication, Tenerife anyone? worst accident in all of aviation history! imagine if ATC was bad at english?! you just cannot have this, it's unacceptable on Air China's part.
@italy430 tenerife wasnt due to lack of fluency in english....but yes the asians are bad for the lack of english. I fly at an airport where we have alot of asian students and you cannot understand half of whats being said
@italy430 completely agree he should be striped of his pilot licence and put in a english class someone could be hurt in a situation like this and tenerefe is good example lean to speak english or stay out of US airspace
@italy430 Hey we learn from out mistakes right, but the pilot did not know how to speak English, you cant just fire him of that, tell him that he cant be a pilot. I mean not all airports round the world speak only English on the ground. I know places that use multiple languages on ground.
@mandunya this is an unacceptable mistake, something that should never been allowed to happen. a language is just sounds that are arranged in a way to mean something. it can be compared to an enigma machine, if you've got the code and understand it, you'll know exactly what the other person is saying. the Air China pilot just had to repeat the sound he heard from ATC, instead he was repeating not just different sounds, but they were other letters in the english language. it's really fucked up!
@mandunya also... like italy430 said, english is the international aviation language. you don't know it, then you don't fly planes. that's the end of it.
@mandunya Look at it this way, international language of aviation or not (and it is, by the way), Air China shouldn't be sending pilots into JFK who can't comprehend the difference between a statement and a question in English. No one in the world expects Kennedy Ground to speak anything but English... and an airport that busy is a tinderbox if there're pilots operating whose English proficiency is so low they can't comprehend even routine ground control commands. It's a good way to kill people.
@lekoman Well if you say it like that, then what about those other pilots who don't speak English, so should they stop sending pilots into JFK because of that, and should pilots who don't speak other languages be sent to different places who speak nothing but their own language. Just saying though, no need to argue.
@mandunya ALL commercial pilots, worldwide, are mandated by international law to know English and be proficient enough in the language to handle even the most complicated ATC instructions safely in English. ALL commercial ATC radio comms are standardized in one language, English, because that means *everyone* only has to know, at most, two languages (their own, and English). Get it? These "other pilots" you speak of don't exist... people are supposed to go learn English to be commercial pilots.
@mandunya The point of repeating back... ATC clearances? It's to make sure you heard the right thing. If you repeat back the clearance differently than ATC gave it to you, they know you misheard them and they can correct you before you go sailing into someone else. I don't know what that has to do with why ATC is in English, and why commercial pilots must, therefore, speak English... but hey, happy to answer your question.
@lekoman Dammit not about the ATC shit. I know, English is the freaking language of Aviation. All pilots are required to know the language ENGLISH to become pilots. I get it. But I don't think you understood my last comment. Repeating back - whats the point of repeating back to you. Story ends.
There is more to this video and the ATC was so patient till they got to the gate and the ATC spoke in clear slow pace but Air China pilot was saying the opposite for almost every thing the ATC was saying.
Wow !!!! He ( Air China's pilot ) did not understand everything !!! Pretty weird !!! It makes the controller very nervous !!!! A disparate talk of the Air Cina pilot !!!
Heh like repeating the same thing over and over again would help.
The pilot clearly did not understand what the controller was saying - perhaps instead of repeating the same thing, the controller should make the instruction easier to understand?
@plasoker But he was extremely silly about his language, considering he was talking to Air China. Should he used present simple tense, he didn't have any problems.
i have heard a lot of atc guys but the way this guy spoke to the pilot made him a little apprensive..there cud have been a better way of handling this.,
He´s not mad, I can really understand his situation when the pilots can´t even speak English! ALL pilots should be able to communicate in English, otherwise it can be dangerous
In my opinion, since air traffic's universal way of communication is in English, it is imperative that all commercial aviation pilot should undergo English diction classes, its grammar and meaning. Im not asking perfect the accent, but work on it just enough that american, and all other air traffic controllers around the world will be able to comprehend audibly what the pilot is saying.
...and when Air China crashed into a mountain side in the 90's the last recorded words on the CVR were [in rather broken English] "What pull up mean?" True, but very sad story!!
Typical rude American controller.... Try going to Beijing and see how the controller fares trying to control in Cantonese. Lighten-Up! WOW
steve767300 1 month ago
Is it just me or does this controller sound like Former president George Bush?
33minnesotatwins 2 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAH. Chinese. you gotta love the english chinese language barrier.
Daedalus294 3 months ago
The word "cleared" is for take off and landing, it should not used for taxi clearances and not for asking questions.
radarone30 4 months ago 2
that controller should be nicer to the chinese pilot.....they give america all of the money that they screw up
wesker0900 5 months ago
give the pilot a break, he just had a long flight
wesker0900 5 months ago
We need to get some calm telemarketers to take over, haha, ones that take shit and dont get mad
NickLovesPopcorn 6 months ago
hahahahaha
"airchina981 have you been cleared into the ramp?"
"Ok cleared to the ramp"
"No that was a question have the ramp people cleared you into the gate?"
"Roger, to the gate, airchina981"
hamwallet13 6 months ago 6
ATC talk way too fast!! my dad is one and he is a 100 word a minutetalker I never knew how foreign or Fluent english speakers knew what he was on about!! they should speak more clearly
coco9439 2 months ago
Retards..... lol Stupid AirCina
alexancia5279 7 months ago
That is the same kind of communication's failure that cause the Tenerife disaster.
Pilots with a lot on their minds, language problems, unfamiliar airspace or airports...the road to a world class fuck up.
hammerogod 7 months ago
I rearry don't understand what the probrem is... :)
PrecisionEngineered 7 months ago
Asian drivers, Asian fliers!!??
clomid100 7 months ago
I know not shit about flying or ATC but he spoke very clearly its obvious he doesn't know enough english an was guesssing at what ATC meant 981 needs to learn english or stay off the damn radio this is how people get killed..
Smokeymcpot37 7 months ago
The controller should HIT him with his belt. ;) lol
rolaxert 8 months ago
I bet the ground controller was like : Arrgghhhhh, screw this non-english speaking guy....
genrolecaspe 8 months ago
Yeah blind leading the blind. ATC should never say "cleared" unless issuing a clearance - "hold position and state intentions" is what you usually hear now. Shocking english though.
gnarkillkicksass 8 months ago
Fault was of both sides, ATC should always follow standard grammar rules of English, saying "They had cleared you into the ramp?", apart of being a "question" in a statement form, it's dangerous when said to a foreign through radio communication.
Moreover when doing that job you should remain calm, I know it gets hard time to time but it's fundamental.
Gian092 9 months ago
Herro shitty wok take you orda prea
idontfkinknow1234 9 months ago
hahaha
adamgamedude 10 months ago
Gook bastards. I hate hearing these guys in my headset.
mpoho2000 1 year ago
There is a reason why english is the standard language. For one there are far more planes in America than any other country.
ihdieselman 1 year ago
that was funny, seemed like a phone joke to the atc
thelopespilot 1 year ago
I really don't understand guys that put side on Air China... The airport setting is JFK! KJFK! where there is heavy traffic volume! Is not a small county airport! JFK tower deals huge number of traffic there and mistakes can take hundreds of lives! First of, Air China pilot really needs to take English course and take FAA test AGAIN! I heard from the major airline pilots that English! Is really crucial that if you don't speak English fluently, FAA won't let YOU to have certificate!
Shipocute 1 year ago
@Shipocute Doesn't matter, the ATC shouldn't have gotten mad. The last thing you want to do is yell at the pilot, and put him under pressure. Yelling never helps anyone. And you said it yourself, mistakes can take hundreds of lives, so he should have just repeated himself slowly, and calmly.
imafreakinsubscriber 10 months ago
It's not that the Air China Pilot is dumb or incompetent, his English skills are just poor. The problem is that towers are allowed to use native languages (this guy started off flying only in china), but must be able to provide english (for foreign pilots)
skidrum11 1 year ago
@skidrum11 He is incompetent. The phonetic alphabet is used for a good reason so that pilots can transmit and receive intelligeble radio messages regardless of their native language. This pilot obviously did not bother aquaint himslef with this tool otherwise he could clearly distinguish November (for N) from Mike (for N). The ICAO uses phonetic alphabet for safety reasons. It would behoove any pilot to learn to use it.
dayspook 1 year ago
@dayspook "November (for N) from Mike (for N)? xD
n208bc 11 months ago
@skidrum11 Yes you may use native languages if you are flying VFR but since all commercial flights are IFR they have to speak english no matter where in the world they are
Qteklund 11 months ago
"Nowember"
DVA5212 1 year ago
Wow, never thought Chinese pilots were so negative!
JMeyerProductions 1 year ago
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@40390576
no...
China Airlines is a Taiwanese company, and Air China comes from China
kerrboy2001 1 year ago
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kerrboy2001 1 year ago
@40390576 no, they are dif airlines,... somehow.....
L747 1 year ago
"This is an interogative" lol As if the man that thinks MikeAlpha is November will know what an interogative is
wiggy81594 1 year ago 8
@wiggy81594 that's just hilarious
Nikola16789 1 year ago
@wiggy81594
it won't hurt to see if he actually understands the word "interrogative"
123rushfan1 10 months ago
It is really easy to talk shit bout pilots. If your new to an airport it can be very confusing to taxi.
SAVDC10 1 year ago
The AirChina pilot was the brother of Ms Swan (of MadTV):
"Oh yeah OK, clear to ramp"
"That was a question!"
"Yeah OK, I tell you evvytheeng".
drav1dan 1 year ago
Haha, It sounds so rude, but I know i've done this before! I would have held him and just made him follow a follow-me. Ugh. Accents suck on the radio!
achug05 1 year ago
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aaaaaannnd thats why we need to stop the invasion
superjuicy2007 1 year ago
Fuck china
gypsykingg 1 year ago 2
Besides the listening problem, the biggest problem is that the pilot feels embarrassed if he cannot speak as fast as a native speaker. As a result, he tried to speak what he think is fluent English. It will be much better if he can just forget about completing the sentences and just repeat the key words like "HOLD SHORT AT MIKE ALPHA, 981".
felixuokk 1 year ago 2
hahahahha
felixfelicis888 1 year ago
new york jerk. have another buffalo wing
TracyAndersonFoxhunt 1 year ago
This is why they had to come up with the Language Rating.
samborlon 1 year ago
This is why they had to come up with the Language Rating.
samborlon 1 year ago
Ugh. That pilot really needed better training. :|
Synergy9k 1 year ago
is it hard becoming an ATC? i live in massachusetts btw. how hard is the job? do u have to be really skilled or something?
Levisem17 1 year ago
It was a woman with a man's voice
simpledudeable 1 year ago
NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE BUT:
They are not only bad drivers.....
IndyJ10 1 year ago
LOOL
furtif000 1 year ago
LOl
Vorox144 1 year ago
Thank god i work on a small helicopter field as a ground (well, they say ground, but it's clearance & delivery) controller where the pilots are either Dutch with good english, or English.
Cause I'd be pissed too if i had one of those idiots on my freq.
TehSmokeyMan 1 year ago
LOL THIS IS JOKES
jesuistahmid 1 year ago
Any problems with the pilot's ears? MikeAlpha (M.A.) is totally different from November (N), I mean the pronuinciation!
KelvinChoi724 1 year ago
@KelvinChoi724 i guess people hear what they choose to hear?
jesuistahmid 1 year ago
It is a BAD quality for one to lose patience like that , whether or not the pilot speaks English and does NOT help facilitate communication.
jalexb88 1 year ago
@jalexb88 How about safety? People could've been killed. This is not the time for being nice, warm, and fuzzy. This is serious, all of aviation is serious. Whoever allowed this chinese guy even near the cockpit of an airliner should be hung by his toes.
JRizzo625 1 year ago
I cant stand talking to pilots like that. You have to break it down for them like they are a 5 yr old short easy directions and speak very slow.
bklee1 1 year ago
HAHAHA!!!
JamesN520 1 year ago
I don't blame the ATC at all.
He was being patient, and had every right to lose his patience.
A ground controller at JFK doesn't have time to put up with this, he has loads of other traffic.
The pilot should have known english more proficiently and should have been taking notes.
And yes, ATCs talk fast in America, that's how we do things here. Sorry, we're not going to slow down for everyone else. We have busy airspaces and airports.
cfapilot 1 year ago 2
@cfapilot We have busy airspace and airports in Europe as well, but we put more consideration in the fact that in some parts in the world english is not the main language. We use phraseology here and i can personally say that mostly US pilots are those, who usually do not udnerstand basic instructions.
But if that makes you feel special, stay different in The US. We¨re more flexible and adapt to your disabilities.
highgrossweight 1 year ago 2
@highgrossweight, You're absolutely right, but this is a good example why the ICAO had to think about a language rating, the pilots' listening skill is really poor here as it is about most asians. By the way I would say "limitations" instead of "Disabilities"
samborlon 1 year ago
poor ATC's sometimes! i wanna be one too tho :)
sarahfan1 1 year ago
Rofl lmfao
Soccermaniac3555 2 years ago
I believe KennedyGround said, This is a question, not an interrogative..."
This would be funny if we weren't dealing with people's lives...
JoeSmoeX 2 years ago
LMAO.. True Newyorker.. still wondering where the hell did the chinos come up with NOVEMBER?? (lol maybe Mike-Alpha in chinese mean November)
mayadavincci 2 years ago
How can they be a airline pilot if they dont even speak english? what about ICAO english requirements?
yuturvio 2 years ago
that was pissed!
Piano1515 2 years ago
fools fly, geniuses control =x
capriclight 2 years ago 2
ATC IS in charge of the pilots. If they weren't, there would be crashes all over the place. When you fly, you're in their jurisdiction, not the other way around.
milla4da8killa 2 years ago
@milla4da8killa yes and no. As PIC, you still have ultimate authority over whether or not you will take an atc clearance (provided of course, you believe the clearance to be unsafe). FAR 91.3 states
a. The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
b. In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
Mortivore1 2 years ago
stupid chinese pilots, so hard to understand
ThunderDonkey 2 years ago 2
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have u been cleard to the gate...... ok cleared to the gate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUNNEST THING IVE HEARD THIS YEAR so far.....
turkman4life 2 years ago
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turkman4life 2 years ago
Sometimes the ATC forgets that they have a job because we (the pilots) fly. So they work for us, to help us, but they sometimes act like they own the airfield and know-it-all...
TorresScott 2 years ago
I agree 100%, they work for us...not the other way around! But I can understand this guy's frustration!
jarod1672 2 years ago
Then why do pilots need to do whatever an ATC says instead of the other way around? :+)
ThunderDonkey 2 years ago
They do own the runways, you can lose your job by disobeying an ATC
ckugler659 2 years ago 2
gate numwar free is ahopen
Triple777ER 2 years ago
lol every single mad ATC video I watch has a dude who doesn't speak English
AltAirPilot517 2 years ago 2
thats because ATC tend to get angry when they are having trouble communicating.
danbeb 2 years ago
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tonetriv 2 years ago
They cleared you to the gate? Copy, November
Trackman2007 2 years ago 4
Holy shit this is scary.
cupomash 2 years ago
this would so be me on VATSIM. I'd have to have the ATC repeat everything
disneyfreak65 2 years ago
All I can say is that whether or not the question would be typical of what you would hear, this pilot was very scatterbrained and definitely not prepared at all. I am a pilot myself and more than anything it's the preparation that is key. He should have had a paper and pencil ready so he could write it down an repeat it. But It sounds like it's a bigger passenger plane............so where is the co-pilot...? Sounds to me like he may have been slacking if this is the case.
snorider22 2 years ago
when you hear about airline problems in the news alot of times its because foreign pilots with little to no english don't understand what the controllers are saying. the FAA should control this problem better.
MEDiAgamer 2 years ago
he didnt even get the initail call rite....he said mike alpha...and he replied november..it doesnt even rhyme...english is a must dude!!
robinzee100 2 years ago
Pilot needs more English lessons. Badly.
kazzsaru 2 years ago
@tonetriv..dude english is the official language in most part ofthe world...and get ur logic rite before u speak...the international airport all over the world just speak english and only english....
robinzee100 2 years ago
The ATC was so Clear in his Question and any other pilot would recognize what he have said,, i think pilots should learn English Very well before they start flying .. Cuz bad Communication can lead to Bad Accidents !
dev123098 2 years ago 3
Yes, not only does the pilot of the Air China flight, im sure he and any other pilots in the area had trouble understanding him.
turkeymaniac1990 2 years ago
ATC was not using standard phraseology. should have been, "Query are you cleared to the gate?" The upward intonation at the end of a question is not always clearly heard on the radio. So standard phraseology uses the "Query" term. This isn't a language issue, it's a standardization issue.
tonetriv 2 years ago
the 'standard' is that you know english, eg, if you need to ask/respond to questions or construct a sentence (mayday call). the pilots a moron, cant get around it
Amypr1ncess 2 years ago
I don't call people morons, but I can make an exception now. "Have they cleared you to the gate?" is not standard radio phraseology. "They cleared you to the gate" is ambiguous -- who is "They"? Is it a question or a statement?
Shouting makes it worse. Condenser mics are designed to suppress noise spikes -- screeches, growls, roars, booms. Shouting is ineffective, inefficient, immature. In Asian cultures, shouting is considered, arrogant, inflammatory, insulting. You'd lose your balls.
tonetriv 2 years ago
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maybe the atc guy's boyfriend didn't suck his cock last night
tracyterry 2 years ago
funny
jjtc100 2 years ago
This Chinese dude needs to take ESL first
homer30 2 years ago 2
they making a piece shit of copied somethings, everything. they cant speak they re aahhh. :-@
erdisrac 2 years ago
I'm sorry but that ATC guy is a Pr*ck of the highest order. What these pilots should start doing is shouting in their own language at the ATC guy, see if he likes it. No wonder the Americans have so many problems. How about using STANDARD RT people. Every other country in the world uses english RT properly except the yanks!
You go to Heathrow and listen to the controllers there. Those guys are the best in the world for a reason, because they SPEAK ENGLISH S.L.O.W.L.Y to foreign pilots!
jayc004 2 years ago
He is speaking slowly at first. And he doesn't lose his temper until much later. Foreign airlines usually speak fairly decent and understandable English, which means they make an effort to enunciate and read back instructions in the most polite of manners. Air China 981 was not paying attention and was not making an effort to stay focused, and read back incorrect instructions very nonchalantly.
rvo91 2 years ago 3
These international airports in the U.S.A. are far busier than others such as Heathrow. They have no time to deal with foreign pilots that haven't learned English sufficiently. They deal with thousands of flights daily, all of which have the potential to cause scores of deaths if not handled safely. Pilots such as this air china pilot interfere with this normal flow of traffic.
This ATC, in my opinion, was extremely patient.
SuperdicaFlyer 2 years ago
they have no time to deal with foreign pilots who have not learnt English well?......fucking hell!!..I hope they do make the time or they will have a serious fucking problem very soon!!!!!!!
mairsy100 2 years ago
Well, this is America. We speak English here. We are not going to adapt to everyone's language just cuz it's inconvenient for them to learn English. It's the foreign pilots who will have a serious problem if they can't abide by this very simple rule.
SuperdicaFlyer 2 years ago
So if United flies to China, they should speak Chinese? That logic doesn't solve anything.
At 1.1 billion people, of whom 25% speak English, China is already the biggest English-speaking nation on earth. The US population is only 250 million, and not all of them speak English.
The US is the only country in the world where a college student is NOT required to learn a second language.
This is not a language issue, it's a standardardization issue.
tonetriv 2 years ago
The international language of flight is English... If a Chinese pilot flies into Germany... They speak English.
That's the way it is. It is already standardized. The logic has solved plenty.
cambodianzorz 2 years ago 2
Yeah, that's for security, buy this chinesse pilot speaks a very bad english...lol
sk8erboi66ericko 2 years ago
@SuperdicaFlyer No, that's not English you speak. That's American. :)
highgrossweight 1 year ago
@SuperdicaFlyer Funny, how Americans always think that THEIR airports are the bussiest.
highgrossweight 1 year ago
@highgrossweight Because they are lol .. look up the worlds busiest airports... Hartsfield, O'hare, DFW...
And it is spelled b-u-s-i-e-s-t.... not bussiest.
cambodianzorz 1 year ago
well if you knew anything, you would know that English is the language spoken at all Airports and by all ATC...if you go to Japan..the ATC speak English there, Russia they speak english. Its the chosen language for Airline traffic..Not because were "American" and "better" than everyone else, thats just the language.
The Air China Pilot should have been properly trained to speak English as part of his requirement to become a International pilot..it had nothing to do with him flying to America.
BroncoBoy91 2 years ago
I'm sorry but the international language used for aviation is English. it is very simple, if you don't understand the language fluently you are not supposed to be on the radio. this is not about being polite and nice to the foreigner, this is about safety. i can't count the number of times accidents have related to poor communication, Tenerife anyone? worst accident in all of aviation history! imagine if ATC was bad at english?! you just cannot have this, it's unacceptable on Air China's part.
italy430 2 years ago 60
Have to agree, in this case the pilot seems to be insufficiently conversant with spoken English. Lives are at stake - end of story.
6y298 2 years ago 3
100% right :)
CamaRO9923 2 years ago 2
@italy430 tenerife wasnt due to lack of fluency in english....but yes the asians are bad for the lack of english. I fly at an airport where we have alot of asian students and you cannot understand half of whats being said
YesIamAPilot 1 year ago
@italy430 completely agree he should be striped of his pilot licence and put in a english class someone could be hurt in a situation like this and tenerefe is good example lean to speak english or stay out of US airspace
LifEndsQuick 1 year ago
@italy430 Hey we learn from out mistakes right, but the pilot did not know how to speak English, you cant just fire him of that, tell him that he cant be a pilot. I mean not all airports round the world speak only English on the ground. I know places that use multiple languages on ground.
mandunya 7 months ago
@mandunya this is an unacceptable mistake, something that should never been allowed to happen. a language is just sounds that are arranged in a way to mean something. it can be compared to an enigma machine, if you've got the code and understand it, you'll know exactly what the other person is saying. the Air China pilot just had to repeat the sound he heard from ATC, instead he was repeating not just different sounds, but they were other letters in the english language. it's really fucked up!
4fifty8 7 months ago
@mandunya also... like italy430 said, english is the international aviation language. you don't know it, then you don't fly planes. that's the end of it.
4fifty8 7 months ago
@4fifty8 Enh, then we would be loosing many pilots dont you think. I still don't think it matters.
mandunya 7 months ago
@mandunya you definitely have no aviation experience whatsoever.
4fifty8 7 months ago
@mandunya Look at it this way, international language of aviation or not (and it is, by the way), Air China shouldn't be sending pilots into JFK who can't comprehend the difference between a statement and a question in English. No one in the world expects Kennedy Ground to speak anything but English... and an airport that busy is a tinderbox if there're pilots operating whose English proficiency is so low they can't comprehend even routine ground control commands. It's a good way to kill people.
lekoman 6 months ago
@lekoman Well if you say it like that, then what about those other pilots who don't speak English, so should they stop sending pilots into JFK because of that, and should pilots who don't speak other languages be sent to different places who speak nothing but their own language. Just saying though, no need to argue.
mandunya 6 months ago
@mandunya ALL commercial pilots, worldwide, are mandated by international law to know English and be proficient enough in the language to handle even the most complicated ATC instructions safely in English. ALL commercial ATC radio comms are standardized in one language, English, because that means *everyone* only has to know, at most, two languages (their own, and English). Get it? These "other pilots" you speak of don't exist... people are supposed to go learn English to be commercial pilots.
lekoman 6 months ago
@lekoman whats the point of repeating back. Story ends.
mandunya 6 months ago
@mandunya The point of repeating back... ATC clearances? It's to make sure you heard the right thing. If you repeat back the clearance differently than ATC gave it to you, they know you misheard them and they can correct you before you go sailing into someone else. I don't know what that has to do with why ATC is in English, and why commercial pilots must, therefore, speak English... but hey, happy to answer your question.
lekoman 6 months ago
@lekoman Dammit not about the ATC shit. I know, English is the freaking language of Aviation. All pilots are required to know the language ENGLISH to become pilots. I get it. But I don't think you understood my last comment. Repeating back - whats the point of repeating back to you. Story ends.
mandunya 6 months ago
@mandunya
Nope....ATC & Ground at ALL Airports that handle International traffic MUST speak English.
ALL Pilots who fly in and out of these airports MUST speak English.
English is the "Language of Avation"...story ends.
hammerogod 7 months ago
There is more to this video and the ATC was so patient till they got to the gate and the ATC spoke in clear slow pace but Air China pilot was saying the opposite for almost every thing the ATC was saying.
abcd1to 2 years ago 18
@abcd1to He does not know how to speak English properly, its not the fucking pilots fault.
mandunya 7 months ago
man that pilot was even worse than me when I had my flight test into a primery airport....
Muhammadz86 2 years ago
I'm asian myself, but this would drive me crazy too
Catdogfisher 2 years ago 4
I am mad too.
sunbulah 2 years ago
That had to have been very frustrating for the air traffic controller for sure! I don't blame him one bit! This can be quite dangerous too!
Ken Palmer
kenpalmer1965 2 years ago 2
hahahahahaha this pilots are stuped, soory im a pilot, but they need to know their english better
luisihne 2 years ago
hahaha xD!!
AviacionMexico 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
gescoboza 2 years ago
Yeah, by ATC standards he was talking slow, even to begin with.
Some Air China pilots have impeccable English. Apparently this is not one of them!
Leovenous 2 years ago 4
...freaking asians
jonathancis2 2 years ago 2
hah. that'd make me mad too
tetavo 2 years ago 5
Wow !!!! He ( Air China's pilot ) did not understand everything !!! Pretty weird !!! It makes the controller very nervous !!!! A disparate talk of the Air Cina pilot !!!
bonbondesel 2 years ago
im pretty sure its a flight attendant running the plane LOL
pjRN25 2 years ago
combination of stupid American accent and very strong Chinese accent. a problem that atc just has to handle ... simple.
tommiewink1989 2 years ago 7
The pilot English may not be good but the ATC has serious attitude problem. He could had slow down and explain the taxi instruction differently.
cfm343 2 years ago
you got no freaking clue how many planes JFK handles each hour and how busy ATC are there. They don't have time to repeat same thing 20 times.
webdenis12 2 years ago
Heh like repeating the same thing over and over again would help.
The pilot clearly did not understand what the controller was saying - perhaps instead of repeating the same thing, the controller should make the instruction easier to understand?
cfm343 2 years ago 2
How much clearer could, "THIS IS A QUESTION, HAVE YOU BEEN CLEARED INTO THE RAMP?" get?
He was extremely clear in his pronunciation, the pilots just didn't understand english at all. NOT the controller's fault
plasoker 2 years ago 24
@plasoker But he was extremely silly about his language, considering he was talking to Air China. Should he used present simple tense, he didn't have any problems.
CCA981, ARE YOU CLEARED TO RAMP?
highgrossweight 1 year ago
i think he was a flight attendant, :)
loscantos 2 years ago
lmao, that's hilarious.
all4golf 2 years ago
what a dumb Chinese?
Mobius000001 2 years ago
lol, this is exactly like windows speech recognition, when you are dicating, the computer always understands something totally different
Cipry16 2 years ago
i have heard a lot of atc guys but the way this guy spoke to the pilot made him a little apprensive..there cud have been a better way of handling this.,
idontknowthisshit 2 years ago
The best ATC controller in the whole world!!!!
DK123454 2 years ago
I understand this ATC got mad, this pilot should get a english lesson/many! This isnt simple fair for the ATC!
EmiloZ738 2 years ago 5
You are damn right Emil :D
jonathankochhougaard 2 years ago
This made me lol quite a bit. =P
I recognise that ATC's voice.
PSPmaster321 2 years ago
He´s not mad, I can really understand his situation when the pilots can´t even speak English! ALL pilots should be able to communicate in English, otherwise it can be dangerous
minijeppe 2 years ago 2
you hear this more than you realize at JFK, my husband works for the Port Auth Operations, hears this stuff alot
blacksoiree 2 years ago
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blacksoiree 2 years ago
so good, asian's are so funny
JonPurdue7 2 years ago
dude dont generalise. Singapore Airlines pilots arent like that, do not criticise asian pilots just because of one black sheep from china.
lesterleewl 2 years ago 3
In my opinion, since air traffic's universal way of communication is in English, it is imperative that all commercial aviation pilot should undergo English diction classes, its grammar and meaning. Im not asking perfect the accent, but work on it just enough that american, and all other air traffic controllers around the world will be able to comprehend audibly what the pilot is saying.
silakalashnikov 2 years ago
omg its not only the pilot dinnt understand a word, he also seemed to enter the ramp which happened 2 be free w/o clearence
bofysauty 2 years ago
hahahahaha
aboudi87 2 years ago
Fluent English will make traffic skies much easier to handle and control!
g33ky898 2 years ago
hahahahah wtf when i did my first solo i was better than this douche
sleadman1 3 years ago
...and when Air China crashed into a mountain side in the 90's the last recorded words on the CVR were [in rather broken English] "What pull up mean?" True, but very sad story!!
captainmorgan757 3 years ago