The trilled r is the one you do with the front of your mouth, not the back (french r). American english actually has a very similar sound in words like "better", that short d sound is really close to a trilled r sound. When you say at 0:12 "... that I know quite a bit of", that "bit of" has a short d sound. Exercise on that, try to say that d sound really fast like "betterbetterbetterbetter". You'll notice the tip of your tongue will start flipping gently on the roof of your mouth. I'm italian.
No, that's the french and german "r" (called "uvular trill"), coming from the back of your mouth. What you probably wanted to do instead is the "alveolar trill" (the spanish and italian "r") - the "alveolar trill" to me is the most difficult sound in the world...I've been living in Italy for 8 years but I still can't do it, and people often made fun of me...
Lol... I'm a spanish speaker... but for some reason I've never learnt to pronounce correctly the R... and I pronounce the R like you... in my throat. XD That's why some people don't guessl were I am from when I speak XD
Work on it! you doing it wrong, you know why the water helps you??
Because you do the Sound just by your throat and its easier when it is not dry, so dont drink and you must have middle part of yout tongue up and the front loose and tty ir and it will come to you!! Use some exercise and from the start use firts D before R, and be sure to dont shout and by exercising it will come to you! But jsut think about the tongue and it will come to you. smae with me.
If you don't think of it as an 'r' sound it might help. Try this and see if it helps. Look in a mirror. Put your tongue behind your top front teeth and flatten it out. You can press it up against the back of your teeth but don't press overly hard. Just try to relax it and keep it flat. Now breathe out long and forcefully (basically push air out of your mouth). Keep repeating this and your tongue will probably end up vibrating some. Keep playing with it til you can do it better. Then add voice.
Please know that Reysh is made about the same place as the dental dalet - between the palate and the back of the teeth.
You may even notice that in some alef bet forms, that is why dalet and reysh are very similar in their shapes. Both in Aramaic and Hebrew forms of the Alef bet, I do not know Arabic, so I cannot comment on such a similarity, but I suspect it is so.
The letter "TET" is more palatal, and the letter "TAV" is made at the back of the teeth.
I have the same trouble on occasion, where I go to try and my tongue needs a "jump start", lol.
Sounds good, but more at the back of the throat when I listen. Could be just me though. You'll find that it just takes time. People can give all sorts of tips and tricks, but sometimes even that doesn't help. Yosef/Omed almost had me drown when trying to nail the ayin following his tip--LOL. :p
Yea, I think i'm going to just forget about the trilled R and try to do my throat R when I can. It sounds almost identical, to me anyways, and as omedyashar said it's a lot better than the standard english r.
As far as the ayin, all I do is try to make it sound harsher. I sort of close off my throat and make the noise. I think it sounds OK, but it may be completely wrong. It's almost impossible to tell without someone sitting there with you helping you.
@ipwnnewbs50 As far as the ע (ayin) goes, here is a really good video that shows how to make the sound. It's for Arabic ع (ʿayn) but it's the same sound.
I am Spanish and I can tell you are doing great!. It sounds just like the Spanish "rr". Yes I noticed it is still not the r sound that comes from your theet but actually from the throat and ceilling on your mouth but is great, a tip, try placing your tongue right behind your teeth instead of on the roof of your mouth and practive by blowing in air then out and just roll the "rr"s like making the sound or a starting motorcycle "mhrrr" or like making the growl of a "tigerR".
Yea I think you're right. I'm trying as hard as I can to vibrate my tounge, which is I guess basically what a trilled R is, and I just can't do it. My tounge doesn't roll.
Eventhough rolling / trilling the r in your throat is not the exact way... it is MUCH better than the standard English R.
You may one day suddenly realize how to do the trilled R on your teeth... but till then, don't drive yourself crazy over it :p I assure you - few people (ie: no one) will make an issue out of your not trilling the R. So no worries my friend.
I most recommend you get a copy of Rambam's "Intro to the Talmud" and continue learning Bible and halakha in Hebrew as ur able.
the string of R didn't sound right to me, but the RESH sounds right when you used it in a word. of course I don't speak Spanish, I speak Japanese, but they have the same kind of R sound.
you might not be good at rolling it in a string like that for a few more years, i studied Japanese for 6 years and only recently can I roll my R out in a string at will.
rolling the R is really hard when you first begin, just keep using your tongue and don't bite your lips you don't even have to move your jaw.
Keep up the good work, and to my ears, your trilled "ר" sounds good to me. One of the easiest Hebrew words to practice the "ר" sound with, is ברוך (baruch), because this word is repeated so often throughout any siddur.
Currently, my favorite siddur; that I use everyday except for Shabbat, is the Artscroll Schottenstein weekday version, because directly below every Hebrew word, is the English equivalent. Which, naturally helps to build vocabulary.
Comprehensive siddurim include all the weekday, and Shabbat prayers, along with a bare minimum of the Festival [High Holy Day] prayers too. My first two siddurim were of that variety,
The advantage of having a weekday [only] siddur, is that it is lighter in weight, and easier to handle, especially if you stand up a lot while davening at home.
If extra heft is not a concern, start with a comprehensive version, e.g., the RCA ArtScroll edition, as you'll have everything in one siddur.
the only problem is that interlinear translation you told me about sounded like what I wanted, so I could learn hebrew, but that particular one doesnt have a combo one only a sabbath one and a weekday one. I would think I only needed the sabbath one cuz it should have everything, but it was the same price so y would it cost the same if it had more.
As a suggestion, Mesorah Publications (aka: ArtScroll), has a page to help people find the siddur that is right for them. Please go to: artscroll . com / siddur . htm
The trilled r is the one you do with the front of your mouth, not the back (french r). American english actually has a very similar sound in words like "better", that short d sound is really close to a trilled r sound. When you say at 0:12 "... that I know quite a bit of", that "bit of" has a short d sound. Exercise on that, try to say that d sound really fast like "betterbetterbetterbetter". You'll notice the tip of your tongue will start flipping gently on the roof of your mouth. I'm italian.
Arkxyz 1 month ago
It sounds like a back of the throat R. If you want to make a trilling or rolling R sound you have to make the tip of your tongue vibrate.
Happycheeks93 1 month ago
YOU NEED TO USE YOUR TOUNGE NOT YOUR THROAT!!!!!!
Guri9898 1 month ago
No, that's the french and german "r" (called "uvular trill"), coming from the back of your mouth. What you probably wanted to do instead is the "alveolar trill" (the spanish and italian "r") - the "alveolar trill" to me is the most difficult sound in the world...I've been living in Italy for 8 years but I still can't do it, and people often made fun of me...
venusviola 2 months ago
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No that's from your throat
FreshBoyKicks 3 months ago
It sounds to me like its coming from the back of your mouth, and doesnt sound correct, try making the sound at the front of your mouth
Buzzefc91 5 months ago
You need to make up your damn mind
Ashes21613 6 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you made my day!!!! hahahahahaha it sounds like chewbacca.
but i think everyone could understand that's a /r/
arroyocallejas 7 months ago
YOUR R SOUND IS NOT GOOD
robertoxxx2007 7 months ago
Your Rrrr is like Perry the Platypus =3
Just kidding, sounds good
JosukeAnimationSpain 8 months ago
good job but i cant do it help me please?
viviannakatelynn 11 months ago
good job
viviannakatelynn 11 months ago
Lol... I'm a spanish speaker... but for some reason I've never learnt to pronounce correctly the R... and I pronounce the R like you... in my throat. XD That's why some people don't guessl were I am from when I speak XD
Francisco90ab 11 months ago
@1nspirator No he is not. You german people use the same "r" sound as french people. He rolls the "r" with his throat, it's not the spanish trill!
GrapefruitAndChaiTea 1 year ago
Yeah you did it correctly, I'm Dutch and we speak the R too
1nspirator 1 year ago
Not exactly, but youre on the way, there was definitely vibration on your tongue and thats whats important!
Sofiz18 1 year ago
yes you did it right, I know Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Russian, Greek and they use "trilled" R's.
DragonCoasterStorm 1 year ago
Work on it! you doing it wrong, you know why the water helps you??
Because you do the Sound just by your throat and its easier when it is not dry, so dont drink and you must have middle part of yout tongue up and the front loose and tty ir and it will come to you!! Use some exercise and from the start use firts D before R, and be sure to dont shout and by exercising it will come to you! But jsut think about the tongue and it will come to you. smae with me.
72S72 1 year ago
If you don't think of it as an 'r' sound it might help. Try this and see if it helps. Look in a mirror. Put your tongue behind your top front teeth and flatten it out. You can press it up against the back of your teeth but don't press overly hard. Just try to relax it and keep it flat. Now breathe out long and forcefully (basically push air out of your mouth). Keep repeating this and your tongue will probably end up vibrating some. Keep playing with it til you can do it better. Then add voice.
xxpowwowbluexx 1 year ago
NO your not thrilling it ! it sounds like a gurgle sound, don't get used to drink water. You should watch some spanish movies.
nosojdjos 1 year ago
Please know that Reysh is made about the same place as the dental dalet - between the palate and the back of the teeth.
You may even notice that in some alef bet forms, that is why dalet and reysh are very similar in their shapes. Both in Aramaic and Hebrew forms of the Alef bet, I do not know Arabic, so I cannot comment on such a similarity, but I suspect it is so.
The letter "TET" is more palatal, and the letter "TAV" is made at the back of the teeth.
Purim Sameach
72Yonatan 2 years ago
@72Yonatan Arabic د (dal) and ر (ra) do look similar, wow.
xxpowwowbluexx 1 year ago
I have the same trouble on occasion, where I go to try and my tongue needs a "jump start", lol.
Sounds good, but more at the back of the throat when I listen. Could be just me though. You'll find that it just takes time. People can give all sorts of tips and tricks, but sometimes even that doesn't help. Yosef/Omed almost had me drown when trying to nail the ayin following his tip--LOL. :p
Most important tip - Don't stress yourself out!
yokhanan 2 years ago
Yea, I think i'm going to just forget about the trilled R and try to do my throat R when I can. It sounds almost identical, to me anyways, and as omedyashar said it's a lot better than the standard english r.
As far as the ayin, all I do is try to make it sound harsher. I sort of close off my throat and make the noise. I think it sounds OK, but it may be completely wrong. It's almost impossible to tell without someone sitting there with you helping you.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
@ipwnnewbs50 As far as the ע (ayin) goes, here is a really good video that shows how to make the sound. It's for Arabic ع (ʿayn) but it's the same sound.
/watch?v=Y0ro6b50-Lk
xxpowwowbluexx 1 year ago
I am Spanish and I can tell you are doing great!. It sounds just like the Spanish "rr". Yes I noticed it is still not the r sound that comes from your theet but actually from the throat and ceilling on your mouth but is great, a tip, try placing your tongue right behind your teeth instead of on the roof of your mouth and practive by blowing in air then out and just roll the "rr"s like making the sound or a starting motorcycle "mhrrr" or like making the growl of a "tigerR".
evaluna0 2 years ago
thanks for the link. I might be doing it now but it might still be the throat R i'm not really sure lol.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Yea I think you're right. I'm trying as hard as I can to vibrate my tounge, which is I guess basically what a trilled R is, and I just can't do it. My tounge doesn't roll.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Eventhough rolling / trilling the r in your throat is not the exact way... it is MUCH better than the standard English R.
You may one day suddenly realize how to do the trilled R on your teeth... but till then, don't drive yourself crazy over it :p I assure you - few people (ie: no one) will make an issue out of your not trilling the R. So no worries my friend.
I most recommend you get a copy of Rambam's "Intro to the Talmud" and continue learning Bible and halakha in Hebrew as ur able.
omedyashar 2 years ago 2
the string of R didn't sound right to me, but the RESH sounds right when you used it in a word. of course I don't speak Spanish, I speak Japanese, but they have the same kind of R sound.
you might not be good at rolling it in a string like that for a few more years, i studied Japanese for 6 years and only recently can I roll my R out in a string at will.
rolling the R is really hard when you first begin, just keep using your tongue and don't bite your lips you don't even have to move your jaw.
Shipuh 2 years ago
Keep up the good work, and to my ears, your trilled "ר" sounds good to me. One of the easiest Hebrew words to practice the "ר" sound with, is ברוך (baruch), because this word is repeated so often throughout any siddur.
Currently, my favorite siddur; that I use everyday except for Shabbat, is the Artscroll Schottenstein weekday version, because directly below every Hebrew word, is the English equivalent. Which, naturally helps to build vocabulary.
חזק
YisraelOrBust 2 years ago
Do you need to buy both the sabbath/festival siddur, in addition to the weekday siddur? Or will buying the sabbath/festival one be ok?
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Clay,
Comprehensive siddurim include all the weekday, and Shabbat prayers, along with a bare minimum of the Festival [High Holy Day] prayers too. My first two siddurim were of that variety,
The advantage of having a weekday [only] siddur, is that it is lighter in weight, and easier to handle, especially if you stand up a lot while davening at home.
If extra heft is not a concern, start with a comprehensive version, e.g., the RCA ArtScroll edition, as you'll have everything in one siddur.
YisraelOrBust 2 years ago
the only problem is that interlinear translation you told me about sounded like what I wanted, so I could learn hebrew, but that particular one doesnt have a combo one only a sabbath one and a weekday one. I would think I only needed the sabbath one cuz it should have everything, but it was the same price so y would it cost the same if it had more.
ipwnnewbs50 2 years ago
Clay,
As a suggestion, Mesorah Publications (aka: ArtScroll), has a page to help people find the siddur that is right for them. Please go to: artscroll . com / siddur . htm
Hope this helps,
Daniel
YisraelOrBust 2 years ago