Actually having a doctor giving you different treatments based on what suits you is better than having one narrow choice, because that one narrow choice may not be best for you. I would like to think if there is a god he wouldn't be narrow, he would accept the many different beliefs as long as people were good people who only wished to help the world overcome it's problems and be self less. Why should faith overpower karma?
@brandtdary When I ask Christians if they have looked into many religions to see which is most credible, or simply latched on to the nearest one, they say that they have done the research. Then I ask them to name five other religions (other than Judaism, Mormonism, and Islam - also Bible-based), and the names of the books on which each is based, and they can't. Hmmm.
@xchampx That's kind of my issue, you see. How do you know that what God cannot be wrong about is what you THINK God cannot be wrong about? If you can be wrong, as you've admitted, then you really could have no idea at all about what it is you think God thinks.
@Th1sWasATriumph I disagree and to a certain level agree with you.This is because there are certain things that are universally known to the Christian. Such as the need for a savior, the recognition of sin and how it separates us from God and the NEED FOR A SAVIOR.This is what the Holy Spirit said it would do. It will give you a heart to please to Lord (with or without failing). The recognition of the mercies of GOd and his wrath too.Deep things like the Trinity can be hard to grasp as expected.
@xchampx Due to a finite being trying to grasp the infinite. Understanding everything about God isn't necessary, just of what he reveals to us in the scriptures.
@xchampx I don't ask that question because I'm "searching". I ask it to point out that xtians don't seem to be listing reasons for the selection of their religion, but rather simply claiming that the bible tells them that the bible is true.
If there was a website that is offered free trips to Hawaii, all you have to do is visit the site to receive your free trip...would people complain that it's "not fair that there is only one site'? No! They would be excited to know that a way exists to get this great gift!
It's all about your perspective. It's not, "If God really loved us He would provide more than one way to Him."instead it should be, "Wow, God really loves us and actually provided a way to know Him." He loves you!
@mryouthpsm said "If there was a website that is offered free trips to Hawaii, all you have to do is visit the site to receive your free trip...would people complain that it's "not fair that there is only one site'? No! They would be excited to know that a way exists to get this great gift!"
A gullible person would react that way, believing it without real evidence. An intelligent, rational person would see what's very likely a scam designed by those who have something to gain (think tithe).
There maybe many paths my friend, but there are only 3 types of people 1.Those who know what reality is, and accept it,even if they don't like what it shows them. 2. Those who know what reality is, and DON'T accept it,because they don't like what it shows them. 3.Those who don't know what reality is.
If God is Jesus why the hek would he sacrifise himself to himself. If he was truly all powerfuly God could make an infinite number of Jesus's instead of just one. Why the hek does killing your son allow others to sin. Who made the crazy rules, it must of been your God because he claims he is all powerful. Ultimate fail, but keep it up half hazard answers that you provide push people away from christianity faster than reading the bible.
@yodeboubtripin Ultimate fail on your part. If you never understood the point of the Sacrifice and Resurrection, I can't believe you would have ever called yourself a Christian. Once again, fail.
@CarlosMarti123 Ad hominem attacks do nothing except discredit yourself. Please reply with substance telling me why I am wrong, instead of just saying how I failed as a christian.
@yodeboubtripin he sacrificed himself bcz nobody else would die for themselves to save the world, its because of GOD'S AMAZING, EVERLASTING LOVE ON US ::) I hope u understand.
@rcforeva If I was able to stop pain and suffering in this world by sacrificing myself I would in an instant. I think a lot of other people would too. Does dying for just three days knowing you will be resurrected and worshipped forever really something we should call a sacrifice? I'm not impressed.
@yodeboubtripin It's not just that.You knowJesus was REJECTED by some people too.He was hitted by people,he was spat by people everyday in his lifeHe had a long painful DEATH.But do you know what's more painful than that???Him seeing people go to Hell because they don't believe in Him,that's why he made christians so we canGO tell the world about him.To show how much He loves us, He stretched his arm on the cross and did all that trouble that he doesn't have to do just for US HEARTLESS SINNERS.
Yes, and his response was not to simply dust off his shoes and march on, like someone much more dignified like Buddha would have done. Instead, he decided to curse whole towns simply because they did not care for his preaching (Matthew 11:21-24). Tell me, why on earth would we have to worship such a petulant little prick?
@yodeboubtripin God is still working on all of US everyday, it's not like he died for us and that's it, that's not it, He has a plan for us, He is a WORKING GOD, He is not Lazy. Even though we are bad people, He is forgiving and forgiving us. Read the Bible, Pray to God.... It will help you understand more :)
@rcforeva Get him to heal an amputee and I'll believe he works in out lives. Funny thing about religious people is you all think your individual gods work in your lives, but yet they all contradict eachother. Muslims and Mormons are just as sure they know Muhammad and Joseph Smith as their saviors. Please study other religions and try to empathize with others.
@yodeboubtripin pray to God, ask him to show you any mracle or something like that, but it's not gonna happen so soon, wait for him patiently, you will see... Ask Him to let you understand him. And I will try to see other Religions, only see, and learn about them.
@yodeboubtripin pray to God, ask him to show you any mracle or something like that, but it's not gonna happen so soon, wait for him patiently, you will see... Ask Him to let you understand him. And I will try to see other Religions, only see, and learn about them.
@yodeboubtripin You can't also expect for God to do everything Good in Christians. He sometimes allows troubles and problems for us, so we can be a better person by turning to Him and praying to Him. Jesus suffered a lot of problems so that means, we Christians are going to suffer problems, but not because God hates us but because he loves us and we can be better people.God promised to Christians that those that suffer problems will be nothing compared to our eternal prize in Heaven.
@rcforeva The onus is on you to prove your belief. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Get all your friends to pray for god to heal a single amputee in a documented case. If this happened I would believe in the super-natural. I challenge you to be honest with yourself and read the Bible and look at the counter evidence against it. If your belief is true it will hold up.
@yodeboubtripin Extraordinary doesn't mean extraordinary evidence. You see, us christians have FAITH in God. That means we love and believe him, without seeing any evidence. It's the heart. That's excactly what the Bible say. Please pray to God about it
@rcforeva I care if my beliefs are true or not, you seem to only care how they make you feel. With your same attitude you could believe in Joseph Smith, Muhammad or any other God. Anytime something sounds wierd if you just revert back to "ohh well I just gotta have faith" you can never be wrong. I was a christian for 22 years and continually prayed the whole time. It never got me closer to truth, just helped me feel better. I care about the truth no matter what it is plain and simple.
@yodeboubtripin BECAUSE THERE NEEDED TO BE A SACRIFICE!!!!! People are bad and the only way that they could get into heaven is for their sins to be repaid, but no human can ever be perfect so they cant be a sacrifice for others. Only God can be perfect, but he , being a god, can't die and thus cant be a sacrifice, and that's why he sent Jesus. Jesus is the perfect man who acted as the sacrifice.
You want him to just give you a recipe for a painkiller without checking if you're allergic for it? Without checking if you're using other medication that can lead to complications like ACE-inhibitors?
I certainly hope your doctor will not be that narrow.
Luke, Chapter 19, Verse 27: “But Those Enemies Of Mine Who Do Not Want Me To Be King Over Them, Bring Them Here & Kill Them In Front Of Me!”
Yes, if you believe that the New Testament is authentic, Jesus declared himself to be the only truth and the only path, damning, cursing, condemning and threatening all those who disbelieved and challenged him.
Like every tyrannical dictator, he demanded absolute, unquestioning obedience :-)
Wait a second: you mean that Jesus, the central focus of Christianity, says he is the only way? Who would have guessed? What a knock-down argument: Jesus is the only way because he says he is. Circular reasoning ftw!
Also, this is a loaded question because it presumes that the audience believes in heaven. I don't think there is any credible evidence that heaven even exists. This is like arguing about the best way to get to Wonderland, which we have just as much evidence for (none).
Dude, you can't have it all ways. The bible is disputed as a historical eyewitness record, some myths encompass real historical people and places, and compared to any other myths they include no more embarressment or"humanness". The bible is no different than any other superstitious writings. Sorry.
@joestfrancois I must respectfully disagree. Have you read upon how long it takes mythology to enter into a historical event? Prominent scholars have already discussed this. It takes roughly 2 to 3 generations after the events for events to become "mythologized." Simply put, this is not the case for the Gospels for several reasons: (1) the authors were directly acquainted with the events they describe (they did not write events that happened 100 years prior to themselves); ...others posted
@joestfrancois (2) we have reliable reproduction of original manuscripts (over 5,000 - which more or less correlate with one another); (3) the Gospels do not report LOGICAL impossibilities (notice I say logical - not ; (4) extra-biblical historical writers (Christian and Non-Christian) confirm the events of the Gospels as historically reliable (Plutarch, Josephus, Tacitus);...more posted
(2) we have reliable reproduction of original manuscripts
(3) the Gospels do not report LOGICAL
These two points, Whatever, doesn't mean anything. (4) extra-biblical historical writers (Christian and Non-Christian) confirm the events of the Gospels
There is some questionable evidence, and not directly from the time period, so I disagree.
@joestfrancois Regarding the two points, let me explain: point (2) means that we have a immense amount of early manuscripts from the times of Jesus and His contemporaries - thus no room for mythology. As for point (3) I mean it is not logically impossible that a resurrection could occur - thus one can not assume it as myth - if you think it is logically impossible, you need to show that it is.
@joestfrancois As to the second point about point (4) Josephus was an ancient JEWISH historian - lived and wrote between 37-100 A.D. ( "Antiquities"). Earlier than him we have Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived and wrote between 56-117 A.D. ("Annals"). Both men (non-Christians), described events of their day just as the NT documents do. Jesus' crucifixion and ascension was in 33 A.D., the disciples lived from the 30s to 90s A.D. (some died martyrs before that of coarse (60s A.D.)
@joestfrancois , As for other non-Christian writers who lived and wrote during the life time of Jesus, his disciples, or at least within 100yrs: Suetonius (Roman historian) (70 – 130 A.D.); Thallus (Greek/Roman historian) (1st Century A.D.); Pliny the Younger (Roman governor) (61 – 112 A.D.); Emperor Trajan (Roman Emperor) (53 – 117 A.D.); Emperor Hadrian (Roman emperor) (76 – 138 A.D.); Lucian (Assyrian writer) (125 – 180 A.D.) ; Mara Bar-Serapion (Syrian philosopher) (1st Century A.D.)
@joestfrancois Those aforementioned ancient writers described in their writings Jesus, His ministry, His ascension and/or the formation of the Early Church (of coarse in an anti or non-Christian manner) - describing them all as, not mythology, but historical events that occurred.
In closing, I would need to see what precisely you are talking about being "questionable evidence" from these extra-biblical writers that somehow dis-confirms or mythologizes the New Testament accounts.
@MrErskine01 Dude sorry, I thought I wrote about all your points, but it seems I did not post them or something. Make shorter posts that are complete in one response.
I will concede all the copies of writings, but nothng in Jesus' lifetime and almost nothing outside of the bible. Everything is hearsay removed by many decades. wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Secular documents only briefly mention Jesus, and only as a man, not anything else.
@joestfrancois You need to read Flavius Josephus' works (Antiquities) and Tacitus' works (Annals), both of these non-Christian writers lived during the same time of Jesus and his disciples - their historical works correlate (in events, people, places...ect) to the Gospels and the Book of Acts. It does not matter if these guys only "briefly" mention Jesus or not, the fact is THEY MENTION HIM and the events surrounding Him! (and these two do not mention Him briefly, although others do I concede)
@joestfrancois Also, wholly apart from nearly 17 extra-biblical early non-Christian sources (those mentioned earlier) confirming the historical accuracy of events surrounding Jesus and the Early Church there are at least 26 extra-biblical early Christian sources confirming the events surrounding Jesus and the Early Church (i.e. Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Eusebius...ect).
@joestfrancois About the point that the "secular documents only briefly mention Jesus, and only as a man" is not the point. The point is the secular documents MENTION Him (and not all do this "briefly") and the events surrounding Him as historical - thus the central point: The secular documents affirm the historical accuracy and reliability of the biblical documents....(continue new post above)
@joestfrancois With the above mentioned point made, the point can now be asserted that:
If the NT documents are historically reliable in context (as affirmed by the secular), then why would one "assume" they are not historically reliable about the specific events they describe (i.e. miracles)? We can not pick and choose what we want to accept when it comes to verified historical documents - if we do then we must have a presupposition within our position.
@joestfrancois Also, I will say that wholly apart from extra-biblical sources on this issue, one could simply affirm the central importance of the historical reliability of the Book of Acts, which is immensely detailed about the formation and expansion of the Early Church, and the people, places and events connected with such formation. The historical reliability of Acts also affirms the Gospel of Luke - both Luke wrote. In both books events, people and places are historically affirmed
@joestfrancois (5) There is no genealogical connection between ancient pagan mythology and the origin of the disciples' belief in the Resurrection (Jews knew of pagan myths and harshly rejected such, so they would not have created such things out of thin air); (6) myths do not make people utterly change their religious, cultural, economic, and personal values and beliefs as what occurred with the disciples and many 1st century Judeans.
@joestfrancois In non of just these six major points do you find correlation between other myths and the Gospel accounts. Thus, they can not be treated us mythology because they have non of the characteristics of mythology. Now, unless you are considering mythology the "supernatural" events, then this is not a question of historical reliability then - you have moved to metaphysics and epistemological questions about the nature of truth, nature of reality, "the beyond."
@joestfrancois Simply put, the Bible is not just a doctrinal, epistemological, and spiritual work, it is a historical work. The New Testament Gospels are historical writings - eyewitness accounts - of the accounts of Jesus and the Early Church that took place during 1st century Judea. The Gospels are not written as myths, they do not have the same characteristics as myths: they include real historical people, places, events and they include embarrassment and humanness - myths do not do this
First you have to establish that there is an afterlife. Second, you have to demonstrate that there is a god. Third, you have to demonstrate that this particular god is the Hebrew god. Fourth, you have to explain why he demands blood sacrifice. Then, you have to explain fully and show evidence why Jesus had to die.
Simply saying "the Bible says" is not a sufficient answer.
Only narrow-minded, ignorant people are Christians.
i think ur right, Kant argued that morality is rational only if there is an afterlife, if there is no afterlife then there really is no reason to act morally because it all ends up the same at death. So:
1) Morality is rational
2) Morality is only rational if there is a reward
3) If there is no reward for good or punishment for evil, then morality is not rational
4) The afterlife is a reward for good and punishment for evil
5) Thus the afterlife exists because morality is rational
also there are two sides to the human condition, we are both physical and mental, there is a material and immaterial part to us. Scorates said that when our physical side (our body) ceases to function at death, that our immaterial side (our mental side) can still live on.
Ur third point is an error because the argument state that a God exists, it does not try to prove wat type of God there is. Ur fourth point is not true, God does not demand a blood sacrifice of us because Jesus died for our sins.
Morality is innate and this has been demonstrated scientifically throughout the animal kingdom. So, if you want to call it rational. I suppose I could go with that. However, your logic is in error in every other area.
Basic logic tells us that if a statement cannot be demonstrated as true or false, it is meaningless. You make a lot of assumptions. How can you demonstrate 2-5 of your first list? Simply saying it doesn't make it true.
There is only the material world--unless you can demonstrate otherwise. Just because philosophers such as Kant, Kierkegaard, Socrates, St. Paul, and others discuss an afterlife doesn't mean it even exists. You need to first ask yourself how you know such things. If heaven, hell, god, angels, and demons cannot be demonstrated as true or false, then the concepts are meaningless and not worthy of discussion.
Your second list accomplishes nothing. The basic premise of your first point is flawed. I say the universe is probably infinite. You say your god is infinite and created the universe. We don't know that. Neither of us can demonstrate either position. #5, how do you know a god created the universe? You cannot demonstrate a single point. So your statements are mere words and nothing more.
The Hebrew god demanded blood sacrifice in the OT and Jesus was supposedly this sacrifice (Colossians 1:20). Why is this required? Explain without citing Scripture. How does blood sacrifice work? Why is it necessary for "sins" we may or may not have committed?
@derhammerman You can not discuss a doctrinal issue such as the Doctrine of the Atonement or even the Doctrine of Christ - both of which are to be discussed to answer your question of blood sacrifice - without citing or supporting it with Scripture. Scripture is the foundation for doctrinal concerns. Thus, you saying "cite no scripture and answer this question" is not possible. Belief in the redemptive power of Christ's blood is upon Faith and Scripture - not Science.
@MrErskine01 Exactly and that's why the doctrine is ludicrous. It's based on speculation and nothing more. Scripture is not enough. Isn't it ironic that the very Bible that offers the solution is the same one that sets up the problem to begin with? Imagine that! If the Bible is removed from the argument, there is no discussion on the supposed-issue.
@derhammerman If the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, and can be demonstrated to be such through apologetic inquiry (which I believe it can, wholly apart from quoting Scripture) then the Bible is an accurate account of WHAT God did to create the universe (notice I say what He did, not HOW He did it). Therefore we know God created the universe from the Scripture - this can also be discovered through scientific investigation of origin sciences, biological evolution, physics and astronomy.
@derhammerman It all depends upon what you mean precisely by "know" something to be true. Are you meaning in a 100% way or in a probabilistic way? If the former, then almost nothing can be known, including your own existence, your own ideas, universe truths...ect. If the latter, then the importance is which major views that exist are more highly probable to be true - pertaining to concerns about about the afterlife, creation of the universe, supernatural realm...ect.
There are people that thought/think it was/is exceptable to eliminate portions of society to better the human species. If the state decided to execute you and your family to achieve such an ends would you go quietly? Who are you to judge their "innate morality" which says eliminating masses of people to improve the enviroment or humanity is good? Is it true or false that eliminating large masses of people to save humanity, industry or the earth is a good thing?
@017524062 Well Zeus was made up. Jesus lived as a man...and the Bible has been 'grafted' to this world through prophecies, miracles, revelations, etc that have come to pass. So, the notion you're pointing at -that this man is using circular reasoning- is nullified by that fact.
Now, you're next best line of defense to affirm your beliefs would be to denounce these prophecies, miracles, revelations, etc. (continued)
@M3PanoS as never having occurred or mere coincidences. But the fact is that most of the prophecies have come to pass or will come to pass.
In addition, the Bible talks about things that couldn't have been known during the time it was written. It talks about how the universe is expanding (something recently discovered), how the Earth is suspended in space, and how the Earth is shaped like a sphere. The fact that it was right on these things, makes it an authority on God.
Plenty of Christians don't think that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Vatican 2 for example says that even atheists following their conscience can be saved. What he is saying in that quote is that he really is God, so of course nobody goes unto the father but by him.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the father but by me." There are other ways to interpret this than "Only Christians go to heaven." I think just as a doctor wouldn't be vague about a prescription, we can expect that if only self-professing Christians could go to heaven, it would be more explicit in the Bible.
The only good thing about this vid is the HD. It's nice and sharp. Too bad the content doesn't match it.
cufflink44 2 months ago
Is this a joke? Cuz it's not funny
greaseizdaword 3 months ago
You want your doctor to be narrow minded?
Well.. good luck with that.
Hufflewaffle 4 months ago
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ApatheticOmniscience 5 months ago
Actually having a doctor giving you different treatments based on what suits you is better than having one narrow choice, because that one narrow choice may not be best for you. I would like to think if there is a god he wouldn't be narrow, he would accept the many different beliefs as long as people were good people who only wished to help the world overcome it's problems and be self less. Why should faith overpower karma?
Requiemxtoxinnocence 6 months ago
Amen! Jesus is THE way. The only way!
brandtdary 7 months ago
@brandtdary When I ask Christians if they have looked into many religions to see which is most credible, or simply latched on to the nearest one, they say that they have done the research. Then I ask them to name five other religions (other than Judaism, Mormonism, and Islam - also Bible-based), and the names of the books on which each is based, and they can't. Hmmm.
ndrthrdr1 7 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 If you've found the truth, why would you keep searching?
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx I always try to be receptive to new ideas and differing viewpoints. It seems to me to be irrational to decide that my opinions are facts.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 These aren't my opinions though, they are God's facts. Opinions and facts differ.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx I think you'll find that God's facts are actually people's opinions.
Th1sWasATriumph 6 months ago
@Th1sWasATriumph Yes, we can be wrong. God cannot be.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx That's kind of my issue, you see. How do you know that what God cannot be wrong about is what you THINK God cannot be wrong about? If you can be wrong, as you've admitted, then you really could have no idea at all about what it is you think God thinks.
Th1sWasATriumph 6 months ago
@Th1sWasATriumph I disagree and to a certain level agree with you.This is because there are certain things that are universally known to the Christian. Such as the need for a savior, the recognition of sin and how it separates us from God and the NEED FOR A SAVIOR.This is what the Holy Spirit said it would do. It will give you a heart to please to Lord (with or without failing). The recognition of the mercies of GOd and his wrath too.Deep things like the Trinity can be hard to grasp as expected.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx Due to a finite being trying to grasp the infinite. Understanding everything about God isn't necessary, just of what he reveals to us in the scriptures.
xchampx 6 months ago
@xchampx I don't ask that question because I'm "searching". I ask it to point out that xtians don't seem to be listing reasons for the selection of their religion, but rather simply claiming that the bible tells them that the bible is true.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
Apologist = Someone who speaks with a false conviction about things that they in fact can not possibly know.
This guy has NO IDEA if Jesus is the "only way" into Heaven much less if Heaven even exists.
Nor does he have any idea what it means for a sentient being (aka Jesus) to "be the way".
These concepts are hopelessly muddled and unintelligible. What is left is pure subjectivity.
In other words: It means whatever you want it to mean.
LetReasonPrevail1 7 months ago
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LetReasonPrevail1 7 months ago
If there was a website that is offered free trips to Hawaii, all you have to do is visit the site to receive your free trip...would people complain that it's "not fair that there is only one site'? No! They would be excited to know that a way exists to get this great gift!
It's all about your perspective. It's not, "If God really loved us He would provide more than one way to Him."instead it should be, "Wow, God really loves us and actually provided a way to know Him." He loves you!
mryouthpsm 7 months ago 7
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@mryouthpsm said "If there was a website that is offered free trips to Hawaii, all you have to do is visit the site to receive your free trip...would people complain that it's "not fair that there is only one site'? No! They would be excited to know that a way exists to get this great gift!"
A gullible person would react that way, believing it without real evidence. An intelligent, rational person would see what's very likely a scam designed by those who have something to gain (think tithe).
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
There maybe many paths my friend, but there are only 3 types of people 1.Those who know what reality is, and accept it,even if they don't like what it shows them. 2. Those who know what reality is, and DON'T accept it,because they don't like what it shows them. 3.Those who don't know what reality is.
EmpiricalMind 9 months ago
oneminuteaplogist yet two minute video. YouTube account name fail.
colonelkentucky81 10 months ago
If God is Jesus why the hek would he sacrifise himself to himself. If he was truly all powerfuly God could make an infinite number of Jesus's instead of just one. Why the hek does killing your son allow others to sin. Who made the crazy rules, it must of been your God because he claims he is all powerful. Ultimate fail, but keep it up half hazard answers that you provide push people away from christianity faster than reading the bible.
yodeboubtripin 11 months ago 4
@yodeboubtripin Ultimate fail on your part. If you never understood the point of the Sacrifice and Resurrection, I can't believe you would have ever called yourself a Christian. Once again, fail.
CarlosMarti123 9 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Ad hominem attacks do nothing except discredit yourself. Please reply with substance telling me why I am wrong, instead of just saying how I failed as a christian.
yodeboubtripin 9 months ago
@yodeboubtripin he sacrificed himself bcz nobody else would die for themselves to save the world, its because of GOD'S AMAZING, EVERLASTING LOVE ON US ::) I hope u understand.
rcforeva 6 months ago
@rcforeva If I was able to stop pain and suffering in this world by sacrificing myself I would in an instant. I think a lot of other people would too. Does dying for just three days knowing you will be resurrected and worshipped forever really something we should call a sacrifice? I'm not impressed.
yodeboubtripin 6 months ago
@yodeboubtripin It's not just that.You knowJesus was REJECTED by some people too.He was hitted by people,he was spat by people everyday in his lifeHe had a long painful DEATH.But do you know what's more painful than that???Him seeing people go to Hell because they don't believe in Him,that's why he made christians so we canGO tell the world about him.To show how much He loves us, He stretched his arm on the cross and did all that trouble that he doesn't have to do just for US HEARTLESS SINNERS.
rcforeva 6 months ago
@rcforeva
"Jesus was REJECTED by some people too"
Yes, and his response was not to simply dust off his shoes and march on, like someone much more dignified like Buddha would have done. Instead, he decided to curse whole towns simply because they did not care for his preaching (Matthew 11:21-24). Tell me, why on earth would we have to worship such a petulant little prick?
MomoTheBellyDancer 5 months ago
@yodeboubtripin God is still working on all of US everyday, it's not like he died for us and that's it, that's not it, He has a plan for us, He is a WORKING GOD, He is not Lazy. Even though we are bad people, He is forgiving and forgiving us. Read the Bible, Pray to God.... It will help you understand more :)
rcforeva 6 months ago
@rcforeva Get him to heal an amputee and I'll believe he works in out lives. Funny thing about religious people is you all think your individual gods work in your lives, but yet they all contradict eachother. Muslims and Mormons are just as sure they know Muhammad and Joseph Smith as their saviors. Please study other religions and try to empathize with others.
yodeboubtripin 6 months ago
@yodeboubtripin pray to God, ask him to show you any mracle or something like that, but it's not gonna happen so soon, wait for him patiently, you will see... Ask Him to let you understand him. And I will try to see other Religions, only see, and learn about them.
rcforeva 6 months ago
@yodeboubtripin pray to God, ask him to show you any mracle or something like that, but it's not gonna happen so soon, wait for him patiently, you will see... Ask Him to let you understand him. And I will try to see other Religions, only see, and learn about them.
rcforeva 6 months ago
@yodeboubtripin You can't also expect for God to do everything Good in Christians. He sometimes allows troubles and problems for us, so we can be a better person by turning to Him and praying to Him. Jesus suffered a lot of problems so that means, we Christians are going to suffer problems, but not because God hates us but because he loves us and we can be better people.God promised to Christians that those that suffer problems will be nothing compared to our eternal prize in Heaven.
rcforeva 6 months ago
@rcforeva The onus is on you to prove your belief. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Get all your friends to pray for god to heal a single amputee in a documented case. If this happened I would believe in the super-natural. I challenge you to be honest with yourself and read the Bible and look at the counter evidence against it. If your belief is true it will hold up.
yodeboubtripin 5 months ago
@yodeboubtripin Extraordinary doesn't mean extraordinary evidence. You see, us christians have FAITH in God. That means we love and believe him, without seeing any evidence. It's the heart. That's excactly what the Bible say. Please pray to God about it
rcforeva 5 months ago
@rcforeva I care if my beliefs are true or not, you seem to only care how they make you feel. With your same attitude you could believe in Joseph Smith, Muhammad or any other God. Anytime something sounds wierd if you just revert back to "ohh well I just gotta have faith" you can never be wrong. I was a christian for 22 years and continually prayed the whole time. It never got me closer to truth, just helped me feel better. I care about the truth no matter what it is plain and simple.
yodeboubtripin 5 months ago
@yodeboubtripin
"you were a christian??? what happened???"
He grew a brain, along with a spine to support it.
MomoTheBellyDancer 5 months ago
@yodeboubtripin you were a christian??? what happened???
rcforeva 5 months ago
@yodeboubtripin BECAUSE THERE NEEDED TO BE A SACRIFICE!!!!! People are bad and the only way that they could get into heaven is for their sins to be repaid, but no human can ever be perfect so they cant be a sacrifice for others. Only God can be perfect, but he , being a god, can't die and thus cant be a sacrifice, and that's why he sent Jesus. Jesus is the perfect man who acted as the sacrifice.
crazyliclay 5 months ago
0.55 you want the doctor to be narrow?
You want him to just give you a recipe for a painkiller without checking if you're allergic for it? Without checking if you're using other medication that can lead to complications like ACE-inhibitors?
I certainly hope your doctor will not be that narrow.
DarkOneRRp 11 months ago
The book is fiction.
jesusvagina 1 year ago
@jesusvagina Why do you think that? And why is your name 'jesusvagina?'
M3PanoS 10 months ago
Luke, Chapter 19, Verse 27: “But Those Enemies Of Mine Who Do Not Want Me To Be King Over Them, Bring Them Here & Kill Them In Front Of Me!”
Yes, if you believe that the New Testament is authentic, Jesus declared himself to be the only truth and the only path, damning, cursing, condemning and threatening all those who disbelieved and challenged him.
Like every tyrannical dictator, he demanded absolute, unquestioning obedience :-)
Ujames1978 1 year ago
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Wait a second: you mean that Jesus, the central focus of Christianity, says he is the only way? Who would have guessed? What a knock-down argument: Jesus is the only way because he says he is. Circular reasoning ftw!
Also, this is a loaded question because it presumes that the audience believes in heaven. I don't think there is any credible evidence that heaven even exists. This is like arguing about the best way to get to Wonderland, which we have just as much evidence for (none).
Evid3nc3 1 year ago
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MrErskine01 1 year ago
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joestfrancois 1 year ago
Dude, you can't have it all ways. The bible is disputed as a historical eyewitness record, some myths encompass real historical people and places, and compared to any other myths they include no more embarressment or"humanness". The bible is no different than any other superstitious writings. Sorry.
joestfrancois 1 year ago
@joestfrancois I must respectfully disagree. Have you read upon how long it takes mythology to enter into a historical event? Prominent scholars have already discussed this. It takes roughly 2 to 3 generations after the events for events to become "mythologized." Simply put, this is not the case for the Gospels for several reasons: (1) the authors were directly acquainted with the events they describe (they did not write events that happened 100 years prior to themselves); ...others posted
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois (2) we have reliable reproduction of original manuscripts (over 5,000 - which more or less correlate with one another); (3) the Gospels do not report LOGICAL impossibilities (notice I say logical - not ; (4) extra-biblical historical writers (Christian and Non-Christian) confirm the events of the Gospels as historically reliable (Plutarch, Josephus, Tacitus);...more posted
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@MrErskine01
(2) we have reliable reproduction of original manuscripts
(3) the Gospels do not report LOGICAL
These two points, Whatever, doesn't mean anything. (4) extra-biblical historical writers (Christian and Non-Christian) confirm the events of the Gospels
There is some questionable evidence, and not directly from the time period, so I disagree.
joestfrancois 1 year ago
@joestfrancois Regarding the two points, let me explain: point (2) means that we have a immense amount of early manuscripts from the times of Jesus and His contemporaries - thus no room for mythology. As for point (3) I mean it is not logically impossible that a resurrection could occur - thus one can not assume it as myth - if you think it is logically impossible, you need to show that it is.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois As to the second point about point (4) Josephus was an ancient JEWISH historian - lived and wrote between 37-100 A.D. ( "Antiquities"). Earlier than him we have Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived and wrote between 56-117 A.D. ("Annals"). Both men (non-Christians), described events of their day just as the NT documents do. Jesus' crucifixion and ascension was in 33 A.D., the disciples lived from the 30s to 90s A.D. (some died martyrs before that of coarse (60s A.D.)
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois , As for other non-Christian writers who lived and wrote during the life time of Jesus, his disciples, or at least within 100yrs: Suetonius (Roman historian) (70 – 130 A.D.); Thallus (Greek/Roman historian) (1st Century A.D.); Pliny the Younger (Roman governor) (61 – 112 A.D.); Emperor Trajan (Roman Emperor) (53 – 117 A.D.); Emperor Hadrian (Roman emperor) (76 – 138 A.D.); Lucian (Assyrian writer) (125 – 180 A.D.) ; Mara Bar-Serapion (Syrian philosopher) (1st Century A.D.)
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois Those aforementioned ancient writers described in their writings Jesus, His ministry, His ascension and/or the formation of the Early Church (of coarse in an anti or non-Christian manner) - describing them all as, not mythology, but historical events that occurred.
In closing, I would need to see what precisely you are talking about being "questionable evidence" from these extra-biblical writers that somehow dis-confirms or mythologizes the New Testament accounts.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@MrErskine01 Dude sorry, I thought I wrote about all your points, but it seems I did not post them or something. Make shorter posts that are complete in one response.
I will concede all the copies of writings, but nothng in Jesus' lifetime and almost nothing outside of the bible. Everything is hearsay removed by many decades. wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Secular documents only briefly mention Jesus, and only as a man, not anything else.
joestfrancois 1 year ago
@joestfrancois You need to read Flavius Josephus' works (Antiquities) and Tacitus' works (Annals), both of these non-Christian writers lived during the same time of Jesus and his disciples - their historical works correlate (in events, people, places...ect) to the Gospels and the Book of Acts. It does not matter if these guys only "briefly" mention Jesus or not, the fact is THEY MENTION HIM and the events surrounding Him! (and these two do not mention Him briefly, although others do I concede)
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois Also, wholly apart from nearly 17 extra-biblical early non-Christian sources (those mentioned earlier) confirming the historical accuracy of events surrounding Jesus and the Early Church there are at least 26 extra-biblical early Christian sources confirming the events surrounding Jesus and the Early Church (i.e. Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Polycarp, Eusebius...ect).
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois About the point that the "secular documents only briefly mention Jesus, and only as a man" is not the point. The point is the secular documents MENTION Him (and not all do this "briefly") and the events surrounding Him as historical - thus the central point: The secular documents affirm the historical accuracy and reliability of the biblical documents....(continue new post above)
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois With the above mentioned point made, the point can now be asserted that:
If the NT documents are historically reliable in context (as affirmed by the secular), then why would one "assume" they are not historically reliable about the specific events they describe (i.e. miracles)? We can not pick and choose what we want to accept when it comes to verified historical documents - if we do then we must have a presupposition within our position.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois Also, I will say that wholly apart from extra-biblical sources on this issue, one could simply affirm the central importance of the historical reliability of the Book of Acts, which is immensely detailed about the formation and expansion of the Early Church, and the people, places and events connected with such formation. The historical reliability of Acts also affirms the Gospel of Luke - both Luke wrote. In both books events, people and places are historically affirmed
MrErskine01 1 year ago
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MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois (5) There is no genealogical connection between ancient pagan mythology and the origin of the disciples' belief in the Resurrection (Jews knew of pagan myths and harshly rejected such, so they would not have created such things out of thin air); (6) myths do not make people utterly change their religious, cultural, economic, and personal values and beliefs as what occurred with the disciples and many 1st century Judeans.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@joestfrancois In non of just these six major points do you find correlation between other myths and the Gospel accounts. Thus, they can not be treated us mythology because they have non of the characteristics of mythology. Now, unless you are considering mythology the "supernatural" events, then this is not a question of historical reliability then - you have moved to metaphysics and epistemological questions about the nature of truth, nature of reality, "the beyond."
MrErskine01 1 year ago
"We can be sincerely wrong."
Ok, the bible does say those things, why should we treat that any differently than any other mythology?
joestfrancois 1 year ago
@joestfrancois Simply put, the Bible is not just a doctrinal, epistemological, and spiritual work, it is a historical work. The New Testament Gospels are historical writings - eyewitness accounts - of the accounts of Jesus and the Early Church that took place during 1st century Judea. The Gospels are not written as myths, they do not have the same characteristics as myths: they include real historical people, places, events and they include embarrassment and humanness - myths do not do this
MrErskine01 1 year ago
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katherinaJee55 1 year ago
First you have to establish that there is an afterlife. Second, you have to demonstrate that there is a god. Third, you have to demonstrate that this particular god is the Hebrew god. Fourth, you have to explain why he demands blood sacrifice. Then, you have to explain fully and show evidence why Jesus had to die.
Simply saying "the Bible says" is not a sufficient answer.
Only narrow-minded, ignorant people are Christians.
derhammerman 2 years ago
i think ur right, Kant argued that morality is rational only if there is an afterlife, if there is no afterlife then there really is no reason to act morally because it all ends up the same at death. So:
1) Morality is rational
2) Morality is only rational if there is a reward
3) If there is no reward for good or punishment for evil, then morality is not rational
4) The afterlife is a reward for good and punishment for evil
5) Thus the afterlife exists because morality is rational
TheWinepusher 2 years ago
also there are two sides to the human condition, we are both physical and mental, there is a material and immaterial part to us. Scorates said that when our physical side (our body) ceases to function at death, that our immaterial side (our mental side) can still live on.
TheWinepusher 2 years ago
So ur second point was u have to show there is a God.
1) Anything that begins to exist has a cause for its existence
2) The universe exists
3) Thus the universe has a cause
4) If the universe has a cause, it must be a nessecary being which exists external to the universe
5) Thus the cause of the universe is God
TheWinepusher 2 years ago
Ur third point is an error because the argument state that a God exists, it does not try to prove wat type of God there is. Ur fourth point is not true, God does not demand a blood sacrifice of us because Jesus died for our sins.
TheWinepusher 2 years ago
Morality is innate and this has been demonstrated scientifically throughout the animal kingdom. So, if you want to call it rational. I suppose I could go with that. However, your logic is in error in every other area.
Basic logic tells us that if a statement cannot be demonstrated as true or false, it is meaningless. You make a lot of assumptions. How can you demonstrate 2-5 of your first list? Simply saying it doesn't make it true.
derhammerman 2 years ago
There is only the material world--unless you can demonstrate otherwise. Just because philosophers such as Kant, Kierkegaard, Socrates, St. Paul, and others discuss an afterlife doesn't mean it even exists. You need to first ask yourself how you know such things. If heaven, hell, god, angels, and demons cannot be demonstrated as true or false, then the concepts are meaningless and not worthy of discussion.
derhammerman 2 years ago
Your second list accomplishes nothing. The basic premise of your first point is flawed. I say the universe is probably infinite. You say your god is infinite and created the universe. We don't know that. Neither of us can demonstrate either position. #5, how do you know a god created the universe? You cannot demonstrate a single point. So your statements are mere words and nothing more.
derhammerman 2 years ago
The Hebrew god demanded blood sacrifice in the OT and Jesus was supposedly this sacrifice (Colossians 1:20). Why is this required? Explain without citing Scripture. How does blood sacrifice work? Why is it necessary for "sins" we may or may not have committed?
derhammerman 2 years ago
@derhammerman You can not discuss a doctrinal issue such as the Doctrine of the Atonement or even the Doctrine of Christ - both of which are to be discussed to answer your question of blood sacrifice - without citing or supporting it with Scripture. Scripture is the foundation for doctrinal concerns. Thus, you saying "cite no scripture and answer this question" is not possible. Belief in the redemptive power of Christ's blood is upon Faith and Scripture - not Science.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@MrErskine01 Exactly and that's why the doctrine is ludicrous. It's based on speculation and nothing more. Scripture is not enough. Isn't it ironic that the very Bible that offers the solution is the same one that sets up the problem to begin with? Imagine that! If the Bible is removed from the argument, there is no discussion on the supposed-issue.
derhammerman 1 year ago
@derhammerman If the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, and can be demonstrated to be such through apologetic inquiry (which I believe it can, wholly apart from quoting Scripture) then the Bible is an accurate account of WHAT God did to create the universe (notice I say what He did, not HOW He did it). Therefore we know God created the universe from the Scripture - this can also be discovered through scientific investigation of origin sciences, biological evolution, physics and astronomy.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@derhammerman It all depends upon what you mean precisely by "know" something to be true. Are you meaning in a 100% way or in a probabilistic way? If the former, then almost nothing can be known, including your own existence, your own ideas, universe truths...ect. If the latter, then the importance is which major views that exist are more highly probable to be true - pertaining to concerns about about the afterlife, creation of the universe, supernatural realm...ect.
MrErskine01 1 year ago
@derhammerman
There are people that thought/think it was/is exceptable to eliminate portions of society to better the human species. If the state decided to execute you and your family to achieve such an ends would you go quietly? Who are you to judge their "innate morality" which says eliminating masses of people to improve the enviroment or humanity is good? Is it true or false that eliminating large masses of people to save humanity, industry or the earth is a good thing?
Jamsterish 1 year ago
@derhammerman your narrow minded dude by saying they are are wrong to hold that view
DeJay14 1 year ago
Is Jesus the only way to heaven? Let's ask Jesus! Is the Zeus the only way to heaven? Let's ask Zeus. This man is a moron.
017524062 2 years ago 2
@017524062 Well Zeus was made up. Jesus lived as a man...and the Bible has been 'grafted' to this world through prophecies, miracles, revelations, etc that have come to pass. So, the notion you're pointing at -that this man is using circular reasoning- is nullified by that fact.
Now, you're next best line of defense to affirm your beliefs would be to denounce these prophecies, miracles, revelations, etc. (continued)
M3PanoS 10 months ago
@M3PanoS as never having occurred or mere coincidences. But the fact is that most of the prophecies have come to pass or will come to pass.
In addition, the Bible talks about things that couldn't have been known during the time it was written. It talks about how the universe is expanding (something recently discovered), how the Earth is suspended in space, and how the Earth is shaped like a sphere. The fact that it was right on these things, makes it an authority on God.
God Bless
M3PanoS 10 months ago
@017524062 wh do you watch videos like this if you dont believe stuff like us?
crazyliclay 5 months ago
Plenty of Christians don't think that Jesus is the only way to heaven. Vatican 2 for example says that even atheists following their conscience can be saved. What he is saying in that quote is that he really is God, so of course nobody goes unto the father but by him.
Jugglable 2 years ago
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the father but by me." There are other ways to interpret this than "Only Christians go to heaven." I think just as a doctor wouldn't be vague about a prescription, we can expect that if only self-professing Christians could go to heaven, it would be more explicit in the Bible.
Jugglable 2 years ago