Conspiracy Test - Near Death Experience - 1 of 5

[Battery9876]

People have had these experiences for thousands of years.. what does that prove? People dream every night is it a proof a parallel world and what not?

[paarsefrikandel]

i myself don't know what to believe but i do know that there can't be an eternal individual afterlife without a fundamental change to our sense of self as we experience it in our daily life

What ever we become, must be able to handle a concept like eternity without going completely insane sooner or later

Eternity is a very long time followed by infinity

We will have to willingly turn in our individuality if we want to become one with eternity

the life review is to see if we can let go of our ego

[paarsefrikandel]

De. Micheal Persinger can recreate an NDE in low resolution but that is the same as stating "because i can draw things with crayons and pencils the things they represent do not exist"

that's quite a feat of reverse engineering in reverse

[kwanicov]

well, I'm a atheist, I have been studying biology and chemistry for a few years and all I can say is: I don't know.

when I started to study NDE, I was always thinking "it's just the brain dying" but there are too many and too weird cases out there... I spoke with a doctor from the best university in Brazil and even he couldn't understand, specialy after a guy told him "thanks for saving me" BEFORE he was told who was the doctor who save him, and also NDE in instant death cases...

[privatepersonalc]

i have never heard of anyone seeing budha!

[paarsefrikandel]

@privatepersonalc listen to the guy at 7:39 or just google "nde vision of budha" that should at least broaden your view on the phenomena,

[privatepersonalc]

@paarsefrikandel ok thanks!

[BigGee84]

Sound like Q from Star Trek.

[Shakeitupyes]

@BigGee84 it is

[apetrowsky1]

We live in a matrix that is set up 2 deceive the true lite beings trapped in matter that the false lite creator/evil, created 4 his own selfish reasons. He & his thugs,the annunaki feed off our energy & can be very dangerous,especially without the proper knowledge of what this existence is all about & who is behind it.

[jeanpierrel]

Our brain is a receptor for our conciousness, like a computer and the internet signal. I had around 5 out of body experience and i can assure you that we are NOT our body. In my OBE i had an energetic body, i felt complete with my legs and arms but very lite! I could run and fly i felt so FREE, and there was no sense of time, there was only the present and i felt tramadous JOY!! My fun was to fly all around or run on the floor to take speed and then fly. I never anticipate the end of my OBE!!!

[winterstellar]

Sadly NDE is bullshit. It's just drug-induced hallucinations and confusion.

[cosmicman01]

@winterstellar It's a coherent, orderly, meaningful and life-changing experience, unlike hallucinations. Your ignorant comment is bullshit.

[ThisOneIsTaken]

@winterstellar

While I do believe them to have a completely naturalistic explanation, all drug related causes proposed up to now did not stand up to close examination. So far, most researchers seem hellbent in proving NDE is not a supernatural event (they seem to heve forgotten how the burden of proof is on the believers, not on them) instead than in finding out how they actually work. So far I counted at least twelve explanations for NDE, most of which have a laughable scientific basis.

[ThisOneIsTaken]

@ThisOneIsTaken

Chief in command of said guesses is the "dying brain hypothesis" put forward by Susan Blackmore: basically it blames it all on anoxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) - which has been disproven by checking oxygen levels in patients undergoing cardiac arrest and that didn't make much sense from the beginning as anoxia=memory loss.

This behaviour really pisses me off for a simple reason: understanding NDEs could help us save people and understanding how consciousness works (cont).

[ThisOneIsTaken]

@ThisOneIsTaken

but NDE research has been stigmatized unless the objective is to debunk their supposed supernatural origin. No debunking attempt is ever questioned and "experts" still boldly put forward discredited explanations without ever being called out on it.

[FeignofCordor]

@winterstellar

Just to point out this serotonin induced experience theory has now been questioned by other doctors and scientists

[Jayce1219]

@merelyapparent SIMPLE IMAGINATION

[jiujitsulifestyle]

Scientists attempting to debunk NDE's is the same concept as an individual giving tourism advice on a Country they've never been to. It's kind of silly that people who've never experienced something first hand would even participate in this debate.

[nos6677]

@jiujitsulifestyle Yeah I find it somewhat arrogant when people try to prove everything is less interesting than it seems. They constantly fail, because they are trying to measure material things, when an experience (consciousness) is completely immaterial.

They can't even get close to understanding what consciousness is.

[bearpaw72]

@jiujitsulifestyle

I firmly believe that debating near-death experiences with far-left atheists is like debating evolution with young-earth creationists.

[StormZephyr]

I think Discovery does a poor job of characterizing skeptics, putting them into a pool of denialism not unlike how some Christians lump all atheists together under the umbrella of strong atheism.

[amzuel420]

@StormZephyr I've listened to the skeptics and the reason I wouldn't go to bat for them is, they deny a lot of things and they won't go near questions like, "How could the person give an accurate account of things that were happening while they were not only clinically dead, but had their eyes covered and had clickers in their ears". I wouldn't be so hard on them if they'd just make an attempt to give some rational explanation but instead, it's like, they pretend it didn't happen.

[bearpaw72]

@amzuel420

Never attempt to discuss near-death experiences with certain sceptics, like James Randi. That would be like discussing evolution with someone who insists that the earth is 6000 years old.

[amzuel420]

@bearpaw72 That's probably good advice. I don't believe the evolution story but I "am" smart enough to realize that the earth ain't no 6000 years old. And I'm pretty sure a chunk of iron won't turn into a 39 Plymouth if you wait long enough....have great night!

[bearpaw72]

@amzuel420

Or a tornado ripping through a junkyard and producing a fully functional Boeing 747 - You ever heard that one on one of NonStampCollector's videos?

[amzuel420]

@bearpaw72 You just gave me the good laugh I needed. I'm hoping my pit bull will turn into a Chihuahua some day so I can save money on dog food. Have a great night my friend...keep em comin!

[jeanpierrel]

I had couple of OBE (out of body) and i can assure you people that we are not our body. Out there i had a body made of light. I felt complete and i had two legs and arms. I foud myself in a big green park and i could run on the grass and i could FLY too!! It was AMAZING!! I felt so FREE! I felt tramadous JOY or EXTASIE! I felt like i was floating in LOVE and floating IN a bigger consciousness that i thing was GOD!! When i had a question i received an answer on the spot! I'm not afraid of death!

[casenova0]

@merelyapparent I think there are several stories of brain-dead NDErs. I think its 'Pam Reynolds'? is the most profound one, because she had a serious aneurysm in her brain which to remove they had to induce cardiac arrest, taped her eyes shut, drain the blood from her head (ew) and make sure her brainwaves had flat lined by use of emitters placed in her ears, thus meaning she couldn't hear either. She was, in effect, completely dead but the body was cooled to prevent decomposition.

[tlady21]

It's alway a disaster when Science sticks it's nose

into Spirituality.

[DavidGLudwig]

fukkin conspiracy theories about EVERYTHING nowadays. Im waiting to see if there gonna do one on why we shit and piss

[jackooboy1]

I'm still waiting for the scientists to explain blind people having sight during a near death experience...

[oleh2007]

@jackooboy1 when did that happen?

[cosmicman01]

@oleh2007 Vicki Noratuk and Brad Barrows, to name a few, have been blind since birth and they could see for the first time during their NDEs. If i remember correctly both of their NDEs happened in the 60s.

[amzuel420]

@cosmicman01 Ever notice not one of these so-called "skeptics" will go near the facts? IE...how people were able to accurately describe what was going on around them while they were dead. They've accurately described conversations, things people were doing, and even medical procedures they could not have known about unless they had been conscience somehow. Until these "skeptics" grow a spine and face real facts and data I don't wanna hear one word those cowards have to say. They're liars.

[cosmicman01]

@amzuel420 In this film they don't but on forums and articles they do, and they always give the same excuses: the NDErs weren't fully unconscious; the NDE could have happened before or after the period of unconsciousness; they could have heard the conversations and from that build the images in their mind; they might have had prior knowledge of the information (example: Al Sullivan, an NDEr, might have seen the surgeon flapping his arms with his hands in his armpits before having his operation).

[cosmicman01]

@amzuel420 (Continued) Al Sullivan claimed to have seen the surgeon flap his arms in his NDE, and the surgeon was startled when Al described it to him after his NDE.

Another "argument" they give is: the NDErs have had plenty of time between their operation and being interviewed to research and invent a lie.

[amzuel420]

@cosmicman01 "NDErs have had plenty of time between their operation and being interviewed to research and invent a lie"

Which is total bull because many of them wake up trying to tell someone what happened. And here's the thing, no amount of research can give you actual recall. In an interview you could debunk a person like that in a New York minute. It's always good to hear from someone with some common sense. Your reply made my night...LOL...Have a good one!

[cosmicman01]

@amzuel420 "no amount of research can give you actual recall" I agree. And really, who would research the precise surgical procedures and the instruments and specialists required to invent a lie ? It's true that many of the NDErs tell their doctors minutes after they are revived. But it's done orally and not on paper so the "skeptics" will likely discard it. Another thing is that in some cases, the information is obtained in another room or floor or even miles away.

[amzuel420]

@cosmicman01 I agree. The way I have to look at is, "would I win this case in court?". I believe I'd get a unanimous jury. When you consider cases like the migrant worker who accurately described a tennis shoe that was laying on the roof of the hospital, they'd have to be goofy to belive she somehow went up to the roof of a hospital 70 miles from her home, looked around, then later used that to fool everyone into thinking she had an NDE. And why would hospital worker back up her story?

[cosmicman01]

@amzuel420 Another "argument" that I see often is: there might be some residual brain activity that an EEG can't detect. Even if this was true, it doesn't favor their stance. NDErs generally describe their experiences as being very vivid and more real than physical reality, and they report having expanded awareness and senses and being more alive than ever. Also, they will remember very well their NDEs years or even decades later. A dying brain just can't produce such an experience.

[StormZephyr]

@amzuel420 Isn't it possible that information storage processes could happen independent of conscious thought processes?

[amzuel420]

@StormZephyr I think that's a good question but the problem there would be, "How could the mind store information that has happened yet?"

[mycutesims]

@jackooboy1 Yeah the eyeballs and the brain belong to the dead body but the soul sees the near death experience.

[StormZephyr]

@jackooboy1 Quantum entanglement?

[Jayce1219]

@jackooboy1 AND YOU CANT EXPERIENCE DEATH! NDE ISNT DEATH!

[7375U0]

@jackooboy1 I've read blind people could still have sights in their dreams, even born blind people. i couldn't explain you why cause I'm not a neurologist, but I guess their brain can also creat images during a NDE ..

[hubbabubbarubbalubba]

@jackooboy1 That sounds interesting. Can I get articles and everything on this?

[FeignofCordor]

@jackooboy1

Especially those who were born blind.

[emporroll]

@FeignofCordor

yep !!!

[666Desolate999]

I find it very frustrating that the bad experience- Hell, evil version of the NDE is never talked about,& avoided, and you cant find it ANYWHERE in Raymond Moodie’s Life After Life or Lesson s From The Light.

I wonder why that is.