Ki tudja merre, merre visz a végzet Göröngyös úton, sötét éjjelen Vezesd még egyszer győzelemre néped Csaba királyfi csillag ösvényén. Maroknyi székely porlik, mint a szikla Népek harcának zajló tengerén Fejünk az ár, jaj, százszor elborítja Ne hagyd elveszni Erdélyt, Istenünk! Ameddig élünk magyar ajkú népek Megtörni lelkünk nem lehet soha Szülessünk bárhol, földünk bármely pontján Legyen a sorsunk jó vagy mostoha.
Szekely Autonomy is just like Transnistria, Abkhazia. South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh etc. Artificial states inside the heart of other nations. I wish I can give that fucking Autonomy to you, question is, what you going to used for? You are a dying nation anyway, not that I like it, nor I wish it, is just nature. Might be cruel, but is not my fault, you are just a reminiscence of an old time... too old for surviving new times.
@soenekken Probabil, insa cu Targu Mures, Toplita, Ungheni, Balan si alte zone unde romanii sunt majoritari nu va fi nici o autonomie cu siguranta. Si cu ce va ajuta autonomia asta nu pot intelege, stii prea bine ca o tensiune interetnica intre romani si maghiari doar ar speria investitorii, nici statul roman nu cred ca va mai investi in aceea zona practic va fi un embargo economic si pentru voi va fi mai rau. In loc sa munciti impreuna cu romanii, pe voi va apuca doar ganduri nationaliste.
@alex4ucjtest3 "noi" (eu sunt roman) am incercat sa muncim dar nu se mai poate asa. noi muncim si centru isi baga pl in munca noastra. Toate regiunile din tara au nevoie de o forma de autonomie, ca va fi modelul Tinutului Secuiesc sau altul nu stiu. dar tara nu se poate dezvolta daca ramane centralizata. iar tensiunile interetnice sunt doar in mintile unora de la bucuresti, nu exista pe aici, relax.
@soenekken Vorbesti de alta problema, intr-adevar si eu sunt de acord cu ce spui, cu autonomie economica pe regiuni, adica fiecare regiuna sa traiasca din banii si munca lor. Cu asta sunt de acord, ca fiecare regiune sa isi administreze avutia din munca lor. Insa "Tinutul Secuiesc" e o sugestie la autonomie pe criteriu etnic, nu economic, una e sa vorbim de autonomie economica si una de cea etnica, cea etnica mereu creeaza tensiuni (vezi exemplul bastilor), cu cea economica toti suntem de acord
@alex4ucjtest3 bine, ai dreptate, e pe criterii etnice conceputa ideea, dar principiu e acelasi. si daca tinutul secuiesc va devenii o autonomie economica, tot secuii vor fi majoritari etnic. Tinutul Secuiesc nu trebe pus in "", este la fel de veche denumirea ca si a ardealului, tarii barsei etc. ti-ar place ca dintr-o data ne-ardelenii sa zica asa-numitul "ardeal"? nu cred. eu as lua foc.
@soenekken Secuii nu sunt majoritari peste tot, cum ti-am enumerat de exemplu 4 municipii unde secuii nu sunt majoritari si ei vor sa dobandeasca acele zone ca autonome secuiesti, cand mai mult ca probabil acei oameni nu vor sa fie administrati si controlati de secui, de catre mafia udmr-ista si mafia braconiera de paduri.
Eu nu inteleg cu ce ar fi mai rau daca Mures, Harghita, si Covasna ar fi autonome (politic, economic) pe aceste nume, fiindca nu mai traim in epoca feudala pe "tărişe" demult
@alex4ucjtest3 si logica ta e buna, dar cand ai vazut tu un roman sa se alature unu maghiar cand acesta cere mai multa autonomie pt ardeal? invers se poate, vezi cazu gherman care a fost sustinut masiv de maghiari. daca doar semnalezi problemele dintr-un proiect dar nu vii cu o solutie mai buna nu vad de ce te mai agiti (in general, nu referit la persoana ta)
@soenekken Cum sa nu aibe minoritari Franta? :) Fiecare tara are minoritati, in Parlamentul Romaniei fiecare minoritate are un scaun in Parlament chiar daca numarul lor e foarte mic in tara, practic procentul scaunelor detinute de minoritati in Parlamentul Romaniei, e mai mare decat procentul real de populatie al minoritatilor din Romania! Si nu mi se pare normal.In Elvetia de exemplu, nu vei vedea niciodata acolo partide pe criternii etnice chiar daca ei sunt formati din 4 etnii impreuna.
@soenekken Fii sigur ca multi sprijina autonomia economica a Transilvaniei, eu locuiesc in "capitala" Transilvaniei si toti romanii de aici sunt de parere ca noi ar trebui sa ne gestionam banii nostri, sa se faca reforma, fiindca gestionarea unei tari cat de cat mari doar de un "centru" doar bocheaza fondurile si se prad banii aiurea. Din cate am inteles si cei de la Bucuresti vor sa scape de povara asta, si sa formam macroregiuni autonome din punct de vedere economic.
@soenekken E trist cand te gandesti ca maghiarii inca nu s-au impacat cu gandul ca vor locuii secole alaturi de romani, indiferent sub ce "ocupatie", steag etc. Din cazua asta Transilvania a fost mereu saraca in comparatie cu Austria si Ungaria, fiindca a fost exploatata de altii, in loc ca romanii si maghiarii sa fie uniti, sa se inscrie in partide comune si sa lupte pentru cauze comune (gen Elvetia). UMDR-ul ar trebui desfintat prin lege, in Franta partidele pe criteriu etnice sunt interzise.
@alex4ucjtest3 franta nu are minoritati nationale de aia, alte state cu minoritati nationale au partide etnice : finlanda, germania, belgia, norvegia, suedia, slovacia, romania etc.
@Asszimptota E adevarat, insa toate evidentele istorice arata ca romani erau majoritari dintotdeauna in Transilvania.
Iosif Bánki (1764) scria: “Asa de mare e numarul romanilor din Transilvania incat intrec pe toate celalalte natiuni combinate"
Imparatul Joseph al Doilea al Austriei (1765-1790) spunea despre romani: "incontestabil, cei mai vechi si cei mai numerosi dizidenti ai Transilvaniei"
Maria Tereza scria in 1748 despre Transilvania ca fiind "Principatul nostru romanesc"
@Asszimptota Secolul 13 Papa Gregory al 9 lea, spunea despre Transilvania ca fiind "o mare populatie cunoscuta sub numele de valahi" ("Multitudo quorundam popolorum qui Valachones vocantur")
In secolul 16, Anton Verancsics scria: "Transilvania e locuita de trei natiuni maghiarii si secuii, sasii si n-as indrazni sa nu-i adaug si pe romani, care chiar daca intrec toate celelate natiuni combinate la un loc ei nu detin libertati, nobilitate si nici un drept al lor".
În toate ţările lumii se întâlnesc locuri, unde numărul locuitorilor autohtoni sunt majoritari, acolo aşa a fost, asta nu e o noutate, nu e o noutate nici câştigarea Transilvaniei cu ajutorul Trianonului, Marea Britanie, Franţa, şi Statele Unite ale Americii v- au favorizat net. Nu vă purtăm pică. Statul Valah are prieteni suspuşi. Acum e numită ca România. Să nu mai tulburăm apele, fiindcă Domnul e mai mare, decât istoria, care e murdărit de fiecare naţie, de propriul său gând.
Şi astăzi, sunt mulţi români care merg de aici în vizită la bunici, sau părinţi, pe pământul vechi românesc, asta nu e un disc stricat. Multă sănătate.
@Hungaroctonul n-am nici o pretentie ... Alzheimer asta e un om care dupa ce ca nu plateste chiria la timp, acum imi zice ca de fapt apartamentul e al lui...
But I´m happy I had this discussion with you and sorry if there were offensive remarks or sth.,in the beginning I thought you were one of this "everything-cool-in-my-country-everything-shit-in-your-country-guys,I don´t like them(also Hungarians).Now I see you are different and I respect this.If everybody would discuss face to face these problems,there would be no war...and a lot to think about and to change...greets
But yes of course,the bad situation makes people suffer the most,if our countries were rich,people would be also more satisfied in Transylvania...now they think it´s something to do with this horrible country,but in Hungary situation is not much better!!:(((
@Hungaroctonul :Yes,I hope people will be intelligent enough not to do this...I also thought about this whith economical reasons...in fact,Hungarian policy was horrible the last years under Gyurcsány,the coutry is ruined..But would a poor Szeklerland help a lot then?I just feel really sorry for the people there,who seem to be very very unhappy...but maybe politicians hav something different in their mind...and manipulate us against Romania.They should rather care for the gipsy-problem in fact
@Hungaroctonul :Yes,agree totally,I also see how Hungarians behave in Trans.,nobody would like to see that....but I try to imagine,how I would feel,if my family would raise me in a Hungarian way in Trans.and then I never feel,I belong to this country ,where I live!I must be hard...And for sure there were also Romanians all the timein Trans.over the centuries,there must have been,they were not ALL killed(I hope)...it´s not possible...
And to architecture:The oldest mentionable buildings are from the Gotic period(about 1150-1500)in Transylvania,built by Hungarians and Saxons.Whole Kolozsvár(Cluj) was built by them,and now Hungarian people are also angry of that,it´s tourist attraction and brings the monney to Romania,that´s what our ancesters worked for they think...But still,I don´t want to see anybody suffer in a war because of buildings!!
@honfibeauty Not all buildings in Cluj were build by Hungarians or Saxons, some of them are modern Romanian 18-20 centuries. All Transylvanians contributed more or less at the constructions of this citadels, it's wrong to believe that you Pannonians are the owners of this cities and civilization, since Transylvanians (including Romanians) build it. And if you say that this are "your cities", how many resources made trip to Budapest then, Romania should ask those back by following this nonsense?
@alex4ucjtest3 First of all it's not "cluj" It's Kolozsvár. It was never called cluj. You goatfucker gipsies came into a european country and just like rats, started to want it all. Please say a simple building before the 20th century built buy oláh(vlach) people! There is no building like that. Because your ancestors were simple shepherds and in mind thay stayed that level. I'm sure, that you learned such things, like Mátyás was romanian. That allways makes me laugh. You learn false history!
@Vincenzo19901 First of all, it is both Cluj both Kolozsvar both Klausenburg, everyone called it, in it's own language, Cluj comes from Latin "Clus" that was the first name of the citadel "Castrum Clus" (Close Place). Again with the "gypsy" insult, you act like gypsies and you call us "gypsies"? Isn't that funny? And who killed Marian Cozma rather than your gypsies from Ciganyorszag.
Here's an example, the Greek-Catholic cathedral on Eroilor street, Cluj, build in 1791 by Romanians, want more?
I think it´s a very good first step,that Orban and Basescu finally both agreed to give Hungarians in Transylvania the Hungarian citicenship,if they want.So many people can go home to Hungary,of course not everybody,they are poor and have there houses in Trans.,they can´t just live in Budapest now,but still,it´s a first step and a peaceful one.
I´m really hope,there will be no war,I´m against war in general,and when people remember Kosovo-war(which had very similar sources) I think nobody wants this!There must be a peaceful way to solve this problem,war is really no way for intelligent people in the 21.th century I think.How could people be happy about this piece of land,when thousands of soldiers,brothers ,sisters,children died there?Romanians or Hungarians?I couldn´t.
You must admit,the situation is not ideal in Transylvania today,also for you,Hungarians hate the Romanians there(not everybody of course)and Romanians hate the Hungarians,they will never get together.Romania should at least give back Szeklerland,where almost just Hungarians live,for them it would mean everything to belong to there home again,for them it´s all the same,if the Dacians about 200A.D. were the first ones in Romania...
What argument is this to say a nation has no culture,because it had many fights?Which nation is different,then just the Sinti and Roma would have a culture,sorry!I stop this discussion now,it leads nowhere,if we sat together with a cup of tea,we could speak about history in a less superficioul way,but here on youtube get´s really boring,for you also never refer to what I said,you just talk about what "bad" things Hungarians did in history,it´s nothing to do with the bad situation in trans.today
@Hungaroctonul I´m sorry I didn´t read all of your comments,I´m a bit bored,caus you don´t stop talking about SO unimportant things,this is no discussion to say,Transylvania belongs to the Romanians because Máthás Hunyadi ,or Matthias Corvinus if you want had also Roman blood,yes,bravo his father was Romanian and his mother Hungarian,but who´s interested in that?He was king of HUNGARIAN EMPIRE,which included Transylvania from the 10.century!!!And was taken away after more than 1.000years culture
You can also start a discussion about the Ostrogoths and the Visigoths and say,they don´t belong where they belong,autsch,don´t you realize what "THOUSAND YEARS" means??Then ALL land belongs to other nations,because there were so many movements in history!!!!Trianon was a big injustice, Hungarians still didn´t recover from this nightmare,and you try to defend it,just because you are Romanian,I tink it´s very stupid.But think what you want,nobody in the world except Romanians believe your version
And Napoca was not destroyed by Hungarians,but by the Mongol invasion by the way.They killed also more than half of the Hungarian population.You should know this,for you seem to be sooo interested in very acient history...
Ok,give in in Wikipedia "King Stephen l of Hungary", then you can read an international "opinion" :) about if he was really a Romanian king,haha!!And then give in :" History of Cluj".And read "Acient times",you will be surprised,what a great "City" Napoca was,when the Hungarinas came...(.."During the MIGRATION PERIOD Napoca was OVERRUN AND DESTROYED")You know when the "Migration of Peoples" was?Right! AFTER Trajanus!!!!Bravo:)))
That is why history doesn´t even speak of "conquering" Transylvania,but LANDTAKING by the "Magyaren"!!SOrry,I really respect your great Idol Trajan,but after 53-117 A.D.(!!!) a lot of things happened....
@Hungaroctonul :I don´t know where to start after reading sooo many stupid things!!First:Congrats to your fantastic video,it´s a really objective and well-prooved text,with argument like "have Hungarians ever read other books than Hungarian one" and stuff like that.It must be a very intelligent (Romanian!) author,who wrote it.BUT,if you are interested in history and too lazy to read real historic books instead of a Romanian manipulationtext,you should follow WIKIPEDIA,I send you some links:
And even if you have not a clue about history,if you could think A BIT logically ,you would also see,that it´s not fair to take the land away from people,that lived there for over 1.000 years,established a culture there,created whole cities,castles,(what about Vajdahunyad or HUNEDOARA??? For example..will you again say,Hunyadi Mátyás had also some Romanian blood?Well,I think it wasn´t himself who built the castle,but the people,OUR ancestors!!)This wouldn´t be acceptable for ANY nation!Never!!!
@Hungaroctonul :Transylvania belonged to Hungary for more then 1.000 years!No Romanian raised ever ONE stone to build the great historical fascinating buildings in Transylvania,which now get totally NEGLACTED by the Romaniens,whole cities,one more beautiful then the other,if you read A BIT about history,u would know.True that some people of the old Roman empire lived there 2.000 YEARS AGO,but I´M SORRY!!!We also had Ostrogoths,Visigoths and the big "Migration of Peoples" one day...how stupid...
@RomanianCynical Sunt de acord cu tine pana spre sfarsit.De ce sa nu aiba autonomie ?Eu zic ca e dreptul lor.Sunt de 1000 de ani pe pamantul pe care traiesc.De ce li-e frica la romani ? Preferi Yugoslavia in locul Elvetiei ?
Where is America now. America likes to boast about how they wnt to spread democracy and freedom throughout the world yet when a peoples asks for help america backs away and does nothing. Erdely is part of Hungary and Hungary should finally grow a pair of balls and take back her lands. Peacefully or through military force. Eljen a Nemzet
@october231956 Ahaha.. Typical Hungarian, trying to lick some Western ass in order to achieve it's chauvinist goals. In the past it was Germany, now America. Lick some ass, maybe it will help, it will help making you more pathetic, in Transylvania there are 80% Romanians, justice is already done. Do you think Americans would kill 5 million Romanians for the sake of 1,4 million Hungarians? Give me a break idiot, budos szekely cigan bozgor.
The 1990 march 15 and later happened tragic events in Marosvásárhely(tirgu mures) where a clear antempt for ethnic cleansies of the ethnic hungarians in erdély(transylvania)!!The attack happened because of the provocation by the newly formed democratic goverment of ion iliescu!The press,police&army,orthodox priests,nationalist leaders,former securitate officers(dictatoric secret police) together are the most responsible for the attack!
Még egy iyen idióta, mint g0blin11 és szétlövök itt valakiket!!!!
Mit képzelsz magadról, ha nem írkálsz ide magyarul, azt hiszed, nem tudom, hogy érted, amit írok? Ami nem volt soha Románia, az nem is lesz, vágod? A nevet születésekkor kapja az ember, minden, amit csak később alakít át, az reménytelen próbálkozás! Ehhez mit szólsz?
@g0blin11 Well, then I shit on your fuckin' flag and your fuckin' anthem, and on your 'Slovak' friends, too... They are another fuckin' 'nation', without their own history! SOON, WE WILL HAVE YOUR BLOOD ON OUR SWORDS, YOU'LL SEE...! SZÉKELYLAND FOR EVER - EVEN YOU AND YOUR NAZI FRIENDS WILL DIE BECOUSE OF PAIN! :))
:))) frustrated extremist.... your frustration that the hungatian population in transylvania is getting lower and lower almost drives your mad doesen;t it? like one romanian journalist once said...hunGAYrians are only tough when it comes to speaking and threatening but not at facts...you hunGAYrian extremists are like dogs who only bark but not bite :))))
@nemzethy in case you didn't know check wikipedia and find out that transylvania is 80% romanian population and even when it was part of austro-hungarian empire it was still romanian majority ....Transylvania is Romania!! Cluj-Napoca,Oradea,Satu Mare,Brasov,Sibiu,Timisoara,Arad-all towns are romanian!
@g0blin11 Listen. When in major lives a human family with 2-3 children and parents and there are many animals too; as dog, cats, chikens, horse, cows, pigs, some times rats, mouses; the major doesn't start to belong to the propriety of animals because they are more numberouse community of major but remains the propriety of humans. Why? Because the major was established, built and it is mentained by humans.
@nemzethy you have no rigtht to claim that transylvania is your land when you are a minority there.... that's why trianon treaty had to make justice for romanians in transylvania...
stii ce omule?eu sunt roman get beget!,am mai spus si o mai spun din nou:daca credeti ca o ve-ti duce mai bine cu viata eu ca roman va felicit pt tinutul ala secuiesc pt care cereti independenta!,dar daca e numai pt nume atunci stati si ganditi va prima data cum sa traiti mai bine,si apoi face-ti un steag! eu ca roman,(atentie) daca cineva imi promite cu garantii ca voi trai mai bine de maine dau ardealu la unguri imi schimb numele,(cu unul maghiar)
Crede ma nici eu nu prea am vazut steagul asta dar daca te uiti pe google vei vedea si tu ca nu e ceva nou, si mam nascut in Miercurea Ciuc, dar ne-am mutat cu familia in Oradea. Crede ma ca deja Ardealul nu are nici in gand sa fie din nou a Ungariei, cei de acolo (mai ales din estul tarii) zic ca santem romani sau tigani, iar romanii( doar o mica parte din ei) zic ca santem bozgori... cred ca asta e motivul ca vor autonomie, dar e o prostie luand in evidenta ca santem in uniune.
BOZGORI!!! HUUUOOOO! GO TO MONGOLIA U SUB HUMAN GYPSI HUNGARYANS!
thecrimelord19 1 month ago
spuneti de Dumnezeu dar voi aveti semiluna si stea, chiar daca e un pic altfel:) paganilor:)
thelasthajduk22 1 month ago
az anyad mocskos picsaja ,az a cigany himnusz,takony.
endre246 1 month ago
Cigan Hymnus!
LatinROU 2 months ago
@LatinROU
Jájj, de cigányozol oláh moszatgomba
gtgamma511 2 months ago
Nagyon győnörü himnusz!!!
mate522 2 months ago
Ki tudja merre, merre visz a végzet Göröngyös úton, sötét éjjelen Vezesd még egyszer győzelemre néped Csaba királyfi csillag ösvényén. Maroknyi székely porlik, mint a szikla Népek harcának zajló tengerén Fejünk az ár, jaj, százszor elborítja Ne hagyd elveszni Erdélyt, Istenünk! Ameddig élünk magyar ajkú népek Megtörni lelkünk nem lehet soha Szülessünk bárhol, földünk bármely pontján Legyen a sorsunk jó vagy mostoha.
EkeExp 8 months ago
God, i wonder if they really like their language.... it's awful!
infernalmaj 8 months ago
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Nana, testvérek, ne gyűlölködjünk e szép videó alatt. Én se kedvelem "őket", de ez nem a legjobb hely rá.
crusadefor2009 9 months ago
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Szekely Autonomy is just like Transnistria, Abkhazia. South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh etc. Artificial states inside the heart of other nations. I wish I can give that fucking Autonomy to you, question is, what you going to used for? You are a dying nation anyway, not that I like it, nor I wish it, is just nature. Might be cruel, but is not my fault, you are just a reminiscence of an old time... too old for surviving new times.
GetOutOfMyProperty 10 months ago
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Nagyon szép!
Üdv az Anyaországból!
remeshun 10 months ago
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NE HAGYD ELVESZNI EDRÉLYT ISTENÜNK !! :(
ZeNNN10000 10 months ago
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BÜDÖS ROMANIA !!!!!
fudami 10 months ago
Parasites go to work and 100% of what you get from Bucharest!!! Stop being parasites and pay for what you get !!! Pay your taxes!!!
unomnacajit11 11 months ago 5
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@unomnacajit11 stop being parasites and give back transylvania to the székelys the real owners.
narut0cska 10 months ago
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va fi autonomie, ca vrem ca nu vrem. autonomia lesz, ha akarjunk, vagy ne..
soenekken 1 year ago
@soenekken Probabil, insa cu Targu Mures, Toplita, Ungheni, Balan si alte zone unde romanii sunt majoritari nu va fi nici o autonomie cu siguranta. Si cu ce va ajuta autonomia asta nu pot intelege, stii prea bine ca o tensiune interetnica intre romani si maghiari doar ar speria investitorii, nici statul roman nu cred ca va mai investi in aceea zona practic va fi un embargo economic si pentru voi va fi mai rau. In loc sa munciti impreuna cu romanii, pe voi va apuca doar ganduri nationaliste.
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 6
@alex4ucjtest3 "noi" (eu sunt roman) am incercat sa muncim dar nu se mai poate asa. noi muncim si centru isi baga pl in munca noastra. Toate regiunile din tara au nevoie de o forma de autonomie, ca va fi modelul Tinutului Secuiesc sau altul nu stiu. dar tara nu se poate dezvolta daca ramane centralizata. iar tensiunile interetnice sunt doar in mintile unora de la bucuresti, nu exista pe aici, relax.
soenekken 9 months ago
@soenekken Vorbesti de alta problema, intr-adevar si eu sunt de acord cu ce spui, cu autonomie economica pe regiuni, adica fiecare regiuna sa traiasca din banii si munca lor. Cu asta sunt de acord, ca fiecare regiune sa isi administreze avutia din munca lor. Insa "Tinutul Secuiesc" e o sugestie la autonomie pe criteriu etnic, nu economic, una e sa vorbim de autonomie economica si una de cea etnica, cea etnica mereu creeaza tensiuni (vezi exemplul bastilor), cu cea economica toti suntem de acord
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 3
@alex4ucjtest3 bine, ai dreptate, e pe criterii etnice conceputa ideea, dar principiu e acelasi. si daca tinutul secuiesc va devenii o autonomie economica, tot secuii vor fi majoritari etnic. Tinutul Secuiesc nu trebe pus in "", este la fel de veche denumirea ca si a ardealului, tarii barsei etc. ti-ar place ca dintr-o data ne-ardelenii sa zica asa-numitul "ardeal"? nu cred. eu as lua foc.
soenekken 9 months ago
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alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago
@soenekken Secuii nu sunt majoritari peste tot, cum ti-am enumerat de exemplu 4 municipii unde secuii nu sunt majoritari si ei vor sa dobandeasca acele zone ca autonome secuiesti, cand mai mult ca probabil acei oameni nu vor sa fie administrati si controlati de secui, de catre mafia udmr-ista si mafia braconiera de paduri.
Eu nu inteleg cu ce ar fi mai rau daca Mures, Harghita, si Covasna ar fi autonome (politic, economic) pe aceste nume, fiindca nu mai traim in epoca feudala pe "tărişe" demult
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 4
@alex4ucjtest3 si logica ta e buna, dar cand ai vazut tu un roman sa se alature unu maghiar cand acesta cere mai multa autonomie pt ardeal? invers se poate, vezi cazu gherman care a fost sustinut masiv de maghiari. daca doar semnalezi problemele dintr-un proiect dar nu vii cu o solutie mai buna nu vad de ce te mai agiti (in general, nu referit la persoana ta)
soenekken 9 months ago
@soenekken Cum sa nu aibe minoritari Franta? :) Fiecare tara are minoritati, in Parlamentul Romaniei fiecare minoritate are un scaun in Parlament chiar daca numarul lor e foarte mic in tara, practic procentul scaunelor detinute de minoritati in Parlamentul Romaniei, e mai mare decat procentul real de populatie al minoritatilor din Romania! Si nu mi se pare normal.In Elvetia de exemplu, nu vei vedea niciodata acolo partide pe criternii etnice chiar daca ei sunt formati din 4 etnii impreuna.
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 4
@soenekken Fii sigur ca multi sprijina autonomia economica a Transilvaniei, eu locuiesc in "capitala" Transilvaniei si toti romanii de aici sunt de parere ca noi ar trebui sa ne gestionam banii nostri, sa se faca reforma, fiindca gestionarea unei tari cat de cat mari doar de un "centru" doar bocheaza fondurile si se prad banii aiurea. Din cate am inteles si cei de la Bucuresti vor sa scape de povara asta, si sa formam macroregiuni autonome din punct de vedere economic.
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 4
@soenekken E trist cand te gandesti ca maghiarii inca nu s-au impacat cu gandul ca vor locuii secole alaturi de romani, indiferent sub ce "ocupatie", steag etc. Din cazua asta Transilvania a fost mereu saraca in comparatie cu Austria si Ungaria, fiindca a fost exploatata de altii, in loc ca romanii si maghiarii sa fie uniti, sa se inscrie in partide comune si sa lupte pentru cauze comune (gen Elvetia). UMDR-ul ar trebui desfintat prin lege, in Franta partidele pe criteriu etnice sunt interzise.
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 4
@alex4ucjtest3 franta nu are minoritati nationale de aia, alte state cu minoritati nationale au partide etnice : finlanda, germania, belgia, norvegia, suedia, slovacia, romania etc.
soenekken 9 months ago
@alex4ucjtest3
"Probabil, insa cu Targu Mures, Toplita, Ungheni, Balan si alte zone unde romanii sunt majoritari"
MULŢUMEŞTE LUI CEAUŞESCU, CĂ AŢI VENIT AICI...MAI DEPARTE, SĂ TRĂIASCĂ NAŢIA VOASTRĂ, ŞI SECUIMEA.
galildah75 7 months ago
@galildah75 Romanii mereu au fost majoritari in aceste zone
Sa luam de exemplu judetul Cluj din 1910 care era compus la vremea respectiva din fostele judete ungare Kolosz, Torda Aranyos, Szolnok Doboka
Populatie:
*Romani = 476,390 (68%)
*Unguri = 208,250 (30%)
*Germani = 15,288 (2%)
Recensamant facut de unguri. Iluzia ca Ceausescu ne-a adus pe toti aici e doar o insulta. Repetati aceleasi aberatii ca un disc stricat.
alex4ucjtest3 7 months ago
@alex4ucjtest3
1910 nu-i egal cu întotdeauna....
Asszimptota 6 months ago
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alex4ucjtest3 6 months ago
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alex4ucjtest3 6 months ago
@Asszimptota E adevarat, insa toate evidentele istorice arata ca romani erau majoritari dintotdeauna in Transilvania.
Iosif Bánki (1764) scria: “Asa de mare e numarul romanilor din Transilvania incat intrec pe toate celalalte natiuni combinate"
Imparatul Joseph al Doilea al Austriei (1765-1790) spunea despre romani: "incontestabil, cei mai vechi si cei mai numerosi dizidenti ai Transilvaniei"
Maria Tereza scria in 1748 despre Transilvania ca fiind "Principatul nostru romanesc"
alex4ucjtest3 6 months ago
@Asszimptota Secolul 13 Papa Gregory al 9 lea, spunea despre Transilvania ca fiind "o mare populatie cunoscuta sub numele de valahi" ("Multitudo quorundam popolorum qui Valachones vocantur")
In secolul 16, Anton Verancsics scria: "Transilvania e locuita de trei natiuni maghiarii si secuii, sasii si n-as indrazni sa nu-i adaug si pe romani, care chiar daca intrec toate celelate natiuni combinate la un loc ei nu detin libertati, nobilitate si nici un drept al lor".
Voi ati fost mereu mai putini.
alex4ucjtest3 6 months ago
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galildah75 7 months ago
În toate ţările lumii se întâlnesc locuri, unde numărul locuitorilor autohtoni sunt majoritari, acolo aşa a fost, asta nu e o noutate, nu e o noutate nici câştigarea Transilvaniei cu ajutorul Trianonului, Marea Britanie, Franţa, şi Statele Unite ale Americii v- au favorizat net. Nu vă purtăm pică. Statul Valah are prieteni suspuşi. Acum e numită ca România. Să nu mai tulburăm apele, fiindcă Domnul e mai mare, decât istoria, care e murdărit de fiecare naţie, de propriul său gând.
galildah75 7 months ago
Şi astăzi, sunt mulţi români care merg de aici în vizită la bunici, sau părinţi, pe pământul vechi românesc, asta nu e un disc stricat. Multă sănătate.
galildah75 7 months ago
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Such banner, fly it and prepare to fight and defend it. Depends on where it ;s hoisted. Today, also over the centuries. Nice.
rtch77 1 year ago
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Hulljanak a dák kutyák!
pityke88 1 year ago
Autonomiát a Székelyföldnek !!!
ngyattila1978 1 year ago
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Show me a proof the magyars and gipsies are not the same tribe! not theories and stories, but facts and archeological findings !!!
unomnacajit1 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul n-am nici o pretentie ... Alzheimer asta e un om care dupa ce ca nu plateste chiria la timp, acum imi zice ca de fapt apartamentul e al lui...
unomnacajit1 1 year ago 4
@Hungaroctonul futeti-va ma
unomnacajit1 1 year ago
Bai Alzheimer, vezi ca trec pe la tine sa-mi platesti chiria, ca nu mi-ai mai platit-o de 1000 de ani.
unomnacajit1 1 year ago 4
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@Hungaroctonul :God bless you and our countries!!
honfibeauty 1 year ago
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honfibeauty 1 year ago
But I´m happy I had this discussion with you and sorry if there were offensive remarks or sth.,in the beginning I thought you were one of this "everything-cool-in-my-country-everything-shit-in-your-country-guys,I don´t like them(also Hungarians).Now I see you are different and I respect this.If everybody would discuss face to face these problems,there would be no war...and a lot to think about and to change...greets
honfibeauty 1 year ago
But yes of course,the bad situation makes people suffer the most,if our countries were rich,people would be also more satisfied in Transylvania...now they think it´s something to do with this horrible country,but in Hungary situation is not much better!!:(((
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul :Yes,I hope people will be intelligent enough not to do this...I also thought about this whith economical reasons...in fact,Hungarian policy was horrible the last years under Gyurcsány,the coutry is ruined..But would a poor Szeklerland help a lot then?I just feel really sorry for the people there,who seem to be very very unhappy...but maybe politicians hav something different in their mind...and manipulate us against Romania.They should rather care for the gipsy-problem in fact
honfibeauty 1 year ago
It ruins the economy sooo much in both countries!!....
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul :Yes,agree totally,I also see how Hungarians behave in Trans.,nobody would like to see that....but I try to imagine,how I would feel,if my family would raise me in a Hungarian way in Trans.and then I never feel,I belong to this country ,where I live!I must be hard...And for sure there were also Romanians all the timein Trans.over the centuries,there must have been,they were not ALL killed(I hope)...it´s not possible...
honfibeauty 1 year ago
And to architecture:The oldest mentionable buildings are from the Gotic period(about 1150-1500)in Transylvania,built by Hungarians and Saxons.Whole Kolozsvár(Cluj) was built by them,and now Hungarian people are also angry of that,it´s tourist attraction and brings the monney to Romania,that´s what our ancesters worked for they think...But still,I don´t want to see anybody suffer in a war because of buildings!!
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@honfibeauty Not all buildings in Cluj were build by Hungarians or Saxons, some of them are modern Romanian 18-20 centuries. All Transylvanians contributed more or less at the constructions of this citadels, it's wrong to believe that you Pannonians are the owners of this cities and civilization, since Transylvanians (including Romanians) build it. And if you say that this are "your cities", how many resources made trip to Budapest then, Romania should ask those back by following this nonsense?
alex4ucjtest3 9 months ago 5
@alex4ucjtest3 First of all it's not "cluj" It's Kolozsvár. It was never called cluj. You goatfucker gipsies came into a european country and just like rats, started to want it all. Please say a simple building before the 20th century built buy oláh(vlach) people! There is no building like that. Because your ancestors were simple shepherds and in mind thay stayed that level. I'm sure, that you learned such things, like Mátyás was romanian. That allways makes me laugh. You learn false history!
Vincenzo19901218 8 months ago
@Vincenzo19901 First of all, it is both Cluj both Kolozsvar both Klausenburg, everyone called it, in it's own language, Cluj comes from Latin "Clus" that was the first name of the citadel "Castrum Clus" (Close Place). Again with the "gypsy" insult, you act like gypsies and you call us "gypsies"? Isn't that funny? And who killed Marian Cozma rather than your gypsies from Ciganyorszag.
Here's an example, the Greek-Catholic cathedral on Eroilor street, Cluj, build in 1791 by Romanians, want more?
alex4ucjtest3 8 months ago 6
I think it´s a very good first step,that Orban and Basescu finally both agreed to give Hungarians in Transylvania the Hungarian citicenship,if they want.So many people can go home to Hungary,of course not everybody,they are poor and have there houses in Trans.,they can´t just live in Budapest now,but still,it´s a first step and a peaceful one.
honfibeauty 1 year ago
I´m really hope,there will be no war,I´m against war in general,and when people remember Kosovo-war(which had very similar sources) I think nobody wants this!There must be a peaceful way to solve this problem,war is really no way for intelligent people in the 21.th century I think.How could people be happy about this piece of land,when thousands of soldiers,brothers ,sisters,children died there?Romanians or Hungarians?I couldn´t.
honfibeauty 1 year ago
You must admit,the situation is not ideal in Transylvania today,also for you,Hungarians hate the Romanians there(not everybody of course)and Romanians hate the Hungarians,they will never get together.Romania should at least give back Szeklerland,where almost just Hungarians live,for them it would mean everything to belong to there home again,for them it´s all the same,if the Dacians about 200A.D. were the first ones in Romania...
honfibeauty 1 year ago
What argument is this to say a nation has no culture,because it had many fights?Which nation is different,then just the Sinti and Roma would have a culture,sorry!I stop this discussion now,it leads nowhere,if we sat together with a cup of tea,we could speak about history in a less superficioul way,but here on youtube get´s really boring,for you also never refer to what I said,you just talk about what "bad" things Hungarians did in history,it´s nothing to do with the bad situation in trans.today
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul I´m sorry I didn´t read all of your comments,I´m a bit bored,caus you don´t stop talking about SO unimportant things,this is no discussion to say,Transylvania belongs to the Romanians because Máthás Hunyadi ,or Matthias Corvinus if you want had also Roman blood,yes,bravo his father was Romanian and his mother Hungarian,but who´s interested in that?He was king of HUNGARIAN EMPIRE,which included Transylvania from the 10.century!!!And was taken away after more than 1.000years culture
honfibeauty 1 year ago
You can also start a discussion about the Ostrogoths and the Visigoths and say,they don´t belong where they belong,autsch,don´t you realize what "THOUSAND YEARS" means??Then ALL land belongs to other nations,because there were so many movements in history!!!!Trianon was a big injustice, Hungarians still didn´t recover from this nightmare,and you try to defend it,just because you are Romanian,I tink it´s very stupid.But think what you want,nobody in the world except Romanians believe your version
honfibeauty 1 year ago
And Napoca was not destroyed by Hungarians,but by the Mongol invasion by the way.They killed also more than half of the Hungarian population.You should know this,for you seem to be sooo interested in very acient history...
honfibeauty 1 year ago
Ok,give in in Wikipedia "King Stephen l of Hungary", then you can read an international "opinion" :) about if he was really a Romanian king,haha!!And then give in :" History of Cluj".And read "Acient times",you will be surprised,what a great "City" Napoca was,when the Hungarinas came...(.."During the MIGRATION PERIOD Napoca was OVERRUN AND DESTROYED")You know when the "Migration of Peoples" was?Right! AFTER Trajanus!!!!Bravo:)))
honfibeauty 1 year ago
Why are the links blocked?
honfibeauty 1 year ago
That is why history doesn´t even speak of "conquering" Transylvania,but LANDTAKING by the "Magyaren"!!SOrry,I really respect your great Idol Trajan,but after 53-117 A.D.(!!!) a lot of things happened....
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul :I don´t know where to start after reading sooo many stupid things!!First:Congrats to your fantastic video,it´s a really objective and well-prooved text,with argument like "have Hungarians ever read other books than Hungarian one" and stuff like that.It must be a very intelligent (Romanian!) author,who wrote it.BUT,if you are interested in history and too lazy to read real historic books instead of a Romanian manipulationtext,you should follow WIKIPEDIA,I send you some links:
honfibeauty 1 year ago
And even if you have not a clue about history,if you could think A BIT logically ,you would also see,that it´s not fair to take the land away from people,that lived there for over 1.000 years,established a culture there,created whole cities,castles,(what about Vajdahunyad or HUNEDOARA??? For example..will you again say,Hunyadi Mátyás had also some Romanian blood?Well,I think it wasn´t himself who built the castle,but the people,OUR ancestors!!)This wouldn´t be acceptable for ANY nation!Never!!!
honfibeauty 1 year ago
@Hungaroctonul :Transylvania belonged to Hungary for more then 1.000 years!No Romanian raised ever ONE stone to build the great historical fascinating buildings in Transylvania,which now get totally NEGLACTED by the Romaniens,whole cities,one more beautiful then the other,if you read A BIT about history,u would know.True that some people of the old Roman empire lived there 2.000 YEARS AGO,but I´M SORRY!!!We also had Ostrogoths,Visigoths and the big "Migration of Peoples" one day...how stupid...
honfibeauty 1 year ago
ISTENEM! KI ÉNEKLI EZT? SP? JUSTIN BIEBER?
KampeczGurgul5 1 year ago
A rácok, a totok, oláhok... lassan elpusztulnak, elsodorja őket a változó idők szele!
Jön az Új Egyesült Magyarország!
SzekelyBarnaAttiIaMG 1 year ago
Éljenek a székelyek!
Székely autonómiát Székelyföldnek!
TheHunpower1 1 year ago
:( miert szidnak minket szekelyeket...ITT VAGYUNK ES ITT IS MARADUNK!!!Es a Romanok csak alig 500 eve ha leteznek mi meg 1000:>:> GO SZEKLERS!!!!
MrLacitus3 1 year ago
Le a kalappal elöttetek székelyek!
Lajberto 1 year ago
Epic Fail
ZglavociDePitesti 1 year ago
@RomanianCynical Sunt de acord cu tine pana spre sfarsit.De ce sa nu aiba autonomie ?Eu zic ca e dreptul lor.Sunt de 1000 de ani pe pamantul pe care traiesc.De ce li-e frica la romani ? Preferi Yugoslavia in locul Elvetiei ?
tirpitz19 1 year ago
@RomanianCynical fuck off you romanian bitch!!!
262065 1 year ago
@RomanianCynical fuck you gipsy and lick out basescu's ass
262065 1 year ago
Where is America now. America likes to boast about how they wnt to spread democracy and freedom throughout the world yet when a peoples asks for help america backs away and does nothing. Erdely is part of Hungary and Hungary should finally grow a pair of balls and take back her lands. Peacefully or through military force. Eljen a Nemzet
october231956 1 year ago
@october231956 Ahaha.. Typical Hungarian, trying to lick some Western ass in order to achieve it's chauvinist goals. In the past it was Germany, now America. Lick some ass, maybe it will help, it will help making you more pathetic, in Transylvania there are 80% Romanians, justice is already done. Do you think Americans would kill 5 million Romanians for the sake of 1,4 million Hungarians? Give me a break idiot, budos szekely cigan bozgor.
alex4ucjtest 1 year ago
@alex4ucjtest Fuck r mother!!!!You 're stupid!!!In transilvania is more than 80% hungarians....GO HUNGARIANS!!!!
MrLacitus3 1 year ago
@october231956 Ahogy mondod haver ELJEN A NEMZET
262065 1 year ago
az kell nekunk, szatmari darido :))
empyrium87 1 year ago
This is so Beautiful!
Thank You from the USA
atomicsockhop 1 year ago
ehh, are you muslims?
Iloveromania4ever 1 year ago
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WE ARE ONE PEOPLE! THE PEOPLE OF URAL-ALTAIC. THE PEOPLE OF TURAN!
The children of the people of the Scythians and Huns!
We are brothers and sisters!
We are the descendants of our Turan ancestors and we are brothers!
No foreign nation can turn us against each other as has happened before.
We will unite! One billion of our Turan brothers will unite.
URAL-ALTAIC PEOPLE'S ALLIANCE & PAN-TURANIC UNION
DeKaratna 1 year ago
After that, Im off to stick pins in my eyelids
tarryhoot 1 year ago
miért nem tudom lepontozni azt a hülye g0blint..basszus!!! Hogy mer ilyet írni
Agiyume 1 year ago
The 1990 march 15 and later happened tragic events in Marosvásárhely(tirgu mures) where a clear antempt for ethnic cleansies of the ethnic hungarians in erdély(transylvania)!!The attack happened because of the provocation by the newly formed democratic goverment of ion iliescu!The press,police&army,orthodox priests,nationalist leaders,former securitate officers(dictatoric secret police) together are the most responsible for the attack!
sisimoto 1 year ago
Még egy iyen idióta, mint g0blin11 és szétlövök itt valakiket!!!!
Mit képzelsz magadról, ha nem írkálsz ide magyarul, azt hiszed, nem tudom, hogy érted, amit írok? Ami nem volt soha Románia, az nem is lesz, vágod? A nevet születésekkor kapja az ember, minden, amit csak később alakít át, az reménytelen próbálkozás! Ehhez mit szólsz?
tuyunga1 1 year ago
@tuyunga1 A Magyarok Istene áldjon meg azért, amit írtál! :)
nemzethy 1 year ago
@tuyunga1 ...ja, és még valami: ezek miatt a bunkók miatt NE IDEGESKEDJ, MERT NEM ÉRDEMES...! (AKI OLÁH, AZ IS MARAD...!) :))
nemzethy 1 year ago
I shit on your flag and I piss on your anthem....
g0blin11 1 year ago
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nemzethy 1 year ago
@g0blin11 Well, then I shit on your fuckin' flag and your fuckin' anthem, and on your 'Slovak' friends, too... They are another fuckin' 'nation', without their own history! SOON, WE WILL HAVE YOUR BLOOD ON OUR SWORDS, YOU'LL SEE...! SZÉKELYLAND FOR EVER - EVEN YOU AND YOUR NAZI FRIENDS WILL DIE BECOUSE OF PAIN! :))
nemzethy 1 year ago
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:))) frustrated extremist.... your frustration that the hungatian population in transylvania is getting lower and lower almost drives your mad doesen;t it? like one romanian journalist once said...hunGAYrians are only tough when it comes to speaking and threatening but not at facts...you hunGAYrian extremists are like dogs who only bark but not bite :))))
g0blin11 1 year ago
nu exista tinutul secuiesc! Tinutul Secuiesc Pamant Romanesc!!! NOUA DREAPTA!
g0blin11 1 year ago
@g0blin11 ERDÉLY NEM ROMÁNIA! TRANSILVANIA NU E ROMÂNIA! TRANSYLVANIA IS NOT ROMANIA!
nemzethy 1 year ago
@nemzethy in case you didn't know check wikipedia and find out that transylvania is 80% romanian population and even when it was part of austro-hungarian empire it was still romanian majority ....Transylvania is Romania!! Cluj-Napoca,Oradea,Satu Mare,Brasov,Sibiu,Timisoara,Arad-all towns are romanian!
g0blin11 1 year ago
@g0blin11 Listen. When in major lives a human family with 2-3 children and parents and there are many animals too; as dog, cats, chikens, horse, cows, pigs, some times rats, mouses; the major doesn't start to belong to the propriety of animals because they are more numberouse community of major but remains the propriety of humans. Why? Because the major was established, built and it is mentained by humans.
hirajem 1 year ago
@nemzethy you have no rigtht to claim that transylvania is your land when you are a minority there.... that's why trianon treaty had to make justice for romanians in transylvania...
g0blin11 1 year ago
@nemzethy confrunta un atlas geografic, si vezi ca e, Transilvania apartine romanilor
alex4ucjtest 1 year ago
@g0blin11 ERDÉLY NEM ROMÁNIA! TRANSILVANIA NU ESTE ROMÂNIA! TRANSYLVANIA IS NOT ROMANIA!
nemzethy 1 year ago
Great Joke-this movie ! And right,against Trianon:Romanian spred from Dniester to Tisza !
jivimome 1 year ago
mai da ce steg si-au ales tipi astia?
stii ce omule?eu sunt roman get beget!,am mai spus si o mai spun din nou:daca credeti ca o ve-ti duce mai bine cu viata eu ca roman va felicit pt tinutul ala secuiesc pt care cereti independenta!,dar daca e numai pt nume atunci stati si ganditi va prima data cum sa traiti mai bine,si apoi face-ti un steag! eu ca roman,(atentie) daca cineva imi promite cu garantii ca voi trai mai bine de maine dau ardealu la unguri imi schimb numele,(cu unul maghiar)
kondratov2 1 year ago
@kondratov2
Crede ma nici eu nu prea am vazut steagul asta dar daca te uiti pe google vei vedea si tu ca nu e ceva nou, si mam nascut in Miercurea Ciuc, dar ne-am mutat cu familia in Oradea. Crede ma ca deja Ardealul nu are nici in gand sa fie din nou a Ungariei, cei de acolo (mai ales din estul tarii) zic ca santem romani sau tigani, iar romanii( doar o mica parte din ei) zic ca santem bozgori... cred ca asta e motivul ca vor autonomie, dar e o prostie luand in evidenta ca santem in uniune.
tibordancer 1 year ago
Ne hagyd elveszni Erdélyt, Istenünk... !!!
Martonorszag 1 year ago
Szekelys are Hungarians always.
pmate1979 1 year ago
Dobbanjon együtt a szívünk testvéreim.
rozsalevel 1 year ago
Mindörökké HUNS
HUN960 1 year ago
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CarlosTadeus 2 years ago
@CarlosTadeus
Se você é como um idiota, ou é melhor não escrever um comentário
tibordancer 1 year ago