when i was 10 i was buush walking up a mountain and my friend was really close to the edge cause she wanted to see the view and she told me to come so i did and there was a part of lose gravil and my friend her name was Jessie slipped and grabbed me when we were falling i bumped my arm and there waas blood but there was water under neath us and then we hit the water and i got so cranky at her and then we had to swim for ages to get to shore!!!!!!
@Towamba UIAA fall factors are a measure of distance vs rope in the system, it also requires a totally static belay. It is a 1.8 factor fall on 5 meters of rope. This looks like a 0.3 factor fall - it wouldn't even come close to harming the rope. A good explanation is at ukclimbing, or the petzl website
@MultiNilon UIAA fall factors are a measure of distance vs rope in the system, it also requires a totally static belay. It is a 1.8 factor fall on 5 meters of rope. This looks like a 0.3 factor fall - it wouldn't even come close to harming the rope. A good explanation is at ukclimbing, or the petzl website
@NsOSnipSU It is a rate f=H/L between the lenght of the fall (H) and total rope length between climber's knot and bleayers belaying device, thus a total "active" rope length (L). So even if you take a 20 meter whipper, but you have entire 60 meter long rope already dragged in the route, than you have f=20/60=0,33. That's not very much, huh? So a fall with factor f=1 is when you fall the same distance as the active rope length. You can even take a fall with factor f=2, but you don't want that ;-)
@Brad117485 Whatever... have a read of the BMC or Petzl websites for a basic understanding of belay forces on bolts. This guy has not loaded the bolt that much at all, and certainly not enough to weaken it.
@Digdigs2 In ideal conditions, no he's not pushing the safety factor; however, you dont make assumptions about how well the bolt is placed, who placed it, or the age or condition. I work in the rigging industry, we build and install machines to test synthetic ropes and hardware. You're not going to tell me what is right or wrong. Unfortunately, a lot sport climbing spots are constantly being scrutinized for safety concerns and subsequent liability- and rightfully so. Be a good steward.
@Brad117485 I worked for 3 yrs as a height safety specialist - one of my main duties was anchor installation & testing of old anchors. At Rodellar bolts are generally well placed & installed, Euros seem to place better bolts than in the US.
That said, even a bad bolt would need a fair bit of outward force to dislodge it, more than the load here. Either way the next bolt down was high enough to stop him before the ground - redundancy is present in the system. As for a bolt being 'weakened' pfft!
@Digdigs2 I'd say weakening of the bolt is a realistic concern (or at least weakening of the hanger). Metal parts do fatigue after repeated loading, and victory whippers just add to that fatigue. Shock loads can also turn properly fixed hangers into spinners, especially on soft rock (e.g. sandstone)
Personally, I do everything I can to reduce wear on fixed equipment. No intentional falls, generally lead within my capabilities, and I try to rap off instead of lowering whenever possible.
@MakeFoodNow If the force is low enough, i.e. fall factor <0.3, which this fall was, as would almost all sport falls be, the fatigue to the bolt will be so minimal you'd be replacing it due to the wear the 'binder creates or old age before the fatigue due to the falls....
This is limestone, not sandstone.... anyway anyone who uses expansion bolts on sandstone is asking for trouble - glue-ins are the way to go. But it is TIME that causes the problem with expansion bolts, not loading.
@MakeFoodNow look at this: routes. sydneyrockies. org. au / display / the lab / Fatigue+testing
just get rid of the spaces
the fall in the video would have registered 3kn absolute tops. A rally hash fall leaving a badly injured climber MAY generate 12kn - they'd be in hospital with broken ribs at the least... and their belayer would want to be running to the border.
@Digdigs2 Actually - glue-ins should be the standard for bolts everywhere - much safer, longer lasting, can't be tampered with easily and there is no hanger to wear through. Expansion bolts are cheaper and easier to place - but like all cheap easy things probably best as a one-night stand.
@1942JJ yeah... takes a while though - just time to replace them... or use threaded rod with screw-on eyelets, then the eyelet can be replaced at will. An added bonus is that because they rotate it is not possible to put torsional load on the rod, thus stressing the glue. Downside is that the are a bit bigger and more visible.
Incidentally, this is extremely bad for the anchors, and is life-threatening for future climbers. But hey, you had your fun, and that's all that matters, right?
weird. his last piece of pro was at the under hang and he was three feet from it. Why did he fall so far unless the belayer had 20+ feet of slack out?!?!?!?! what the heck happened?
Hmmmmm, that appeared mayyybbeee staged. Look at how the camera framed the shot, with the climber at the verrrrry top of the frame. Lol. So he could capture the whole fall. .. it seems like a possibility at least!
That's a JUMP not a fall. I really hope that wasn't the anker you were jumping off from. That would just be dumb. Ever considered that other people are rapelling down from there and rely on it?
I meand what is the point in taking such a whipper? It's not like you were actually falling on the lead but more like a toprope fall with 18 m of slack rope. If that wasn't intentional I would seriously consider changing your belayer.
The comments here make me cringe at the history of our sport being lost. Dan Osman's ropes were not weathered and he and friends jumped multiple (10 or so) times on the rig. Black Diamond analyzed the rope and said they looked almost new despite being up for a month. The most likely cause is the tyrol got somehow taken out of the system, eliminating the shock absorber. There is no authoritative answer though.
@angrywetsuit I used to be on YOSAR and from what I read in Accidents in North American Mountaineering is that weathered equipment was a possible factor. I knew Dano and knew a bunch of his friends if there is anyone to remind us of the old saying it's him. "There's Bold Climbers and Old Climbers but no Bold Old Climbers. "
@rjholling Dude, are you a climber? Those ropes don't snap at human weight, no matter how hard you abuse them! The biggest danger in such fall is to hit the rock when it is vertical.
Here is overhang, and there is enough space between the climber and the rock and unless he brakes all the anchors (impossible) I don't see real danger in this situation!
@akalestos1983 The ropes don't snap at human weight given proper precautions... DAN (not Dave) Osman died from the rope snapping because he left an ALREADY-OLD rope outside for a MONTH in snow and rain weather.
no idea why ppl mark this comment down. the rope should definitely throw away now, or be like dan oasma use same rope to jump twice and rope snapped 2nd time
@jk2l actually the rope dint snap at least how i understand it dan moved his take off spot and added more rope. during the fall the ropes became tangled and the friction burnt threw the rope. so it was not a equipment failure :) how ever it works dan is the fcking man rip
@jk2l I think what happened to him was he was doing some 'controlled free falls' in yosemite. The rope (and old, used one) melted bcuz of entanglement.
that aint shit** i fell 8 months ago 40 feet with no rope--only broken back and brain surgery-- check out my climb on washington states highest non volcanoe "bonanza peak"
Ropes are rated to sustain a certain number of factor 2 falls. If I took a factor 2 fall, I'd quit climbing, but the rope should still be good.
This fall was nowhere near a factor 2 fall, perhaps .5 The only way to achieve a factor 2 fall is to fall twice the distance of the rope beyond the belay, impossible to do single pitch climbing because you'd be on the ground.
Well, you are not really excused. You know you are a beginner, so why would you comment on such technical stuff without checking the facts? (And by doing that, you spread false information) It's easy to check the facts. It's all explained well in the leaflet that came with your climbing rope.
Oh sorry, I made a mistake. Shame on me. It was a oversight. You never made a mistake in your life?
I think its not common in Youtube that someone says "Sorry, I made a mistake". So accept that!
The comments should be used to discuss a theme! I wrote bullshit, about the factor, and someone corrected it. But nevertheless I am right with the fact that after some (more than I thought, with the mistake -> that means no life was in danger, only some money) of these falls you should buy a new rope
Oh, and somthing else. The comment I was answering to, is much much more dangerous than mine was. Because ropes are not made for hundreds of this falls. Every fall makes the rope weaker, and the chance that the rope snaps gets higher. Thats why in the leaflet of your rope is a table where you should enter the history of your rope, so you can sort it out after some bad falls.
"Because ropes are not made for hundreds of this falls. Every fall makes the rope weaker, and the chance that the rope snaps gets higher."
I can't stand the term "rope snaps". It makes it sound like ropes just randomly break.
Actually, ropes are made for hundreds of factor 1ish falls. That fall count rating on your rope is "how many fall factor 1.78 falls can your rope take *at the same spot* before breaking, with an 80kg weight.
Sport climbers routinely take hundreds of falls on a rope.
I probably should have been more specific. On a 10.5 rope, based on anecdotal evidence from myself and other climbers, you can take a hundred or more soft falls (<= 1.0 fall factor) without compromising the integrity of your rope, given that they are clean falls without the rope seeing abrasion and etc.
What do you do with your rope after a fall? Do you retire your rope after the fall count? If you do, you must have a lot of money for buying new ropes.
I guess when you posted info about falls on this video, I assumed this is the kind of fall you were referring to. As for me, I'm a very conservative climber and have never been in a situation like this where a fall of this magnitude was likely to happen.
The fall distance by itself is not an indication of the forces that were put on the system. It's hard to tell the exact fall factor from the fall in the video, but it's not a very severe fall as there was a lot of rope out and the climber was maybe 6 meters above the ground after the fall. With that assumption and an 18m fall. 6+18+18=42m total rope out / 18m fall = 0.42 fall factor. We don't know the diameter of the rope, but if it's a 9.8 or 10.0 or more, the rope was fine.
Can you explain that? If a factor 2 fall is just falling double the rope length past the belay then a climber 2 feet above the belay would only have to fall 4 feet to be a factor 2?
Yep that would be a factor 2 fall. A lot more force would be put on the equipment in that 4 foot fall than a 20 foot fall if the last piece of protection was 40 feet above the belay. The reason is that four foot fall only has 2 feet of rope to absorb the force, where as that 20 foot fall would have 50 feet.
What factor was that fall in the opening of Vertical Limit. (loved that movie) (don't rune the fantasy, I'm sure real climbers think its dumb because they see the flaws in the lingo.
Anyway when those two guys fell on their rope. Would that really hold them for that long?
goblin072- You are correct, if a climber is 2 feet above a belay and falls 4 feet, that is a fall factor of 2, a huge amount of force. Furthermore, in this instance, there is very little rope out to absorb said force-- just 4 feet.
Also, if the lead climber were to fall directly onto the belayer's harness, the belayer would not be able to hold the fall-- why it's important to place gear immediately above the belay and/or clip the anchor as the first piece of gear.
Man that sounds too complicated. I can see why Dan Osman said the heck with ropes, too much work calculating this and that. hehe. J//k
So the ropes are a bit stretchy on purpose then.
Guess you would need to factor in the weight of the climber the rope flexibility and maybe free fall velocity. But it sounds like a longer rope gives a gradual build up to full force vs a shorter fall w/shorter rope. Sort of like jumping on the belay.
omg, he doesnt know what he's doing, he shouldn't do that, you should never talk about something you dont know about, man seriously, do some of you realize how dumb you sound? I mean half of the commentors don't even seem to know correct grammar. Wow, take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the video, if he didn't know what he was doing before, I am sure he will go find out now
@safghaddy well then you are pretty much retarded.... cause they dont and if they have its not youtube who made it, its sure some fake virus website. and dot com doesnt mean its english... im from denmark and danish sites uses dot com also...
@nicora60 No, he's not retarded. You tube has dropped those country designations, but you can still used it to specify language. Go to the main site and type in dot jp after the dot com. You'll get the usual homepage, but with a bar w. katakana near the top. Clik on the katakana link and much of the English will be converted to Japanese.
that's true, i live in Poland and i just type youtube.pl BUT it is not a different site, it's just translated, but not like the video titles, it's the whole "interface" that's translated like the search button and all that other shit...
You clearly know nothing about climbing, after a couple of big falls like that you need to stop using a climbing. Please, never try and pretend to know alot about climbing, ever again.
For anyone wondering dan osman died because when he jumped or modified bungee jump his ropes crossed and the friction from it literally melted the rope and he fell to his death, ropes are really strong and can have hard falls on them 9 or 10 times before they are considered not safe, dan osman was sponcered and probably got 30 new ropes a month, as for this yes its a long fall but its more of a jump then a fall.
um except that he jumped once and left his ropes there for 3 weeks then came back to get them and decided to jump again thats when he fell... yup i don't know shit....
yeah ... really looks like he felt on purpose.... and he's not the first one to do such a thing.... could be kinda funny :P i did it too.... but not that high...
it'also good to fight the fear of falling... but this guy definitly let himself fall for fun cause if he didnt plan to fall that high he just would have belayed himself with more expresses right?
it's after about 8-10 falls like that you're supposed to retire a rope. Not every time. They could hold a bus from a cliff, the weight of a person falling that far is barely abuse, but I'd still retire after 10 falls like that. As for the "fake" claims, it's a real fall, but he fell on purpose I can tell. Not that I can blame him, I haven't fallen more than 10 feet but that did indeed look like a rush.
I hope he bought a new rope after that...
fueldrop 3 days ago
Oh come on, he let go. That ain't a fall. Hope that was a figure 8.
Happy climbing.
1942JJ 1 month ago in playlist mászások
Would love to fall from that Hight, although I wouldn't want to hit the rock on the way down. Great fall
rockclimberlj 2 months ago
that was close )
vimpel1232 2 months ago
when i was 10 i was buush walking up a mountain and my friend was really close to the edge cause she wanted to see the view and she told me to come so i did and there was a part of lose gravil and my friend her name was Jessie slipped and grabbed me when we were falling i bumped my arm and there waas blood but there was water under neath us and then we hit the water and i got so cranky at her and then we had to swim for ages to get to shore!!!!!!
MegaTinkerball00 2 months ago
OMG i thought he had no rope atached to him
MegaTinkerball00 2 months ago
ive seen/done bigger:) so much fun
forket42 2 months ago
theres just one thing to say:
DICKHEAD!
ichBinDerToni 4 months ago 3
Hey if you like your body weight plus 18m of gravity pulling on your junk that's all you bro.
OmJarr 7 months ago 2
@OmJarr Couldent have said it better myself :b haha
nick0938 6 months ago
why???
tonmereestgross 7 months ago
@tonmereestgross why not.... :)
EnjoyTheSurface 6 months ago
*DING* ... 5 UIAA falls left ...
Towamba 8 months ago 2
@Towamba
uiaa falls are 80 kg about 50m
MultiNilon 7 months ago
@MultiNilon Mhh.... NO :-)
Towamba 7 months ago
@Towamba UIAA fall factors are a measure of distance vs rope in the system, it also requires a totally static belay. It is a 1.8 factor fall on 5 meters of rope. This looks like a 0.3 factor fall - it wouldn't even come close to harming the rope. A good explanation is at ukclimbing, or the petzl website
Digdigs2 5 months ago
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Digdigs2 5 months ago
@MultiNilon UIAA fall factors are a measure of distance vs rope in the system, it also requires a totally static belay. It is a 1.8 factor fall on 5 meters of rope. This looks like a 0.3 factor fall - it wouldn't even come close to harming the rope. A good explanation is at ukclimbing, or the petzl website
Digdigs2 5 months ago
@Digdigs2
ok thanks, i think its quite impossible to fall 1.8 factor fall because when the fall is that hard, it becomes impossible
to belay totally static.. let´s just say: Ropes never tear :)
sory for my english
MultiNilon 5 months ago
test
socialmediaguru 8 months ago
What is this factor "based" on. How does a factor 1 fall compare to the 1.77 falls, length?
NsOSnipSU 9 months ago
@NsOSnipSU It is a rate f=H/L between the lenght of the fall (H) and total rope length between climber's knot and bleayers belaying device, thus a total "active" rope length (L). So even if you take a 20 meter whipper, but you have entire 60 meter long rope already dragged in the route, than you have f=20/60=0,33. That's not very much, huh? So a fall with factor f=1 is when you fall the same distance as the active rope length. You can even take a fall with factor f=2, but you don't want that ;-)
Rajczatko 9 months ago
Absolutely, without a doubt, 100%, intentional.
Equally stupid.
Brad117485 9 months ago 57
@Brad117485 Then I guess, you too hoped he forgot to rope himself up? =)
Milanvermeersch 7 months ago
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Digdigs2 5 months ago
@Brad117485 Dynamic rope and bolts... why stupid? It's not like he even fell that far.
Digdigs2 5 months ago
@Digdigs2 Well when that bolt gets weakened from assholes like him, I'll be sure to let you be the next one up.
Brad117485 4 months ago
@Brad117485 Whatever... have a read of the BMC or Petzl websites for a basic understanding of belay forces on bolts. This guy has not loaded the bolt that much at all, and certainly not enough to weaken it.
Digdigs2 4 months ago
@Digdigs2 In ideal conditions, no he's not pushing the safety factor; however, you dont make assumptions about how well the bolt is placed, who placed it, or the age or condition. I work in the rigging industry, we build and install machines to test synthetic ropes and hardware. You're not going to tell me what is right or wrong. Unfortunately, a lot sport climbing spots are constantly being scrutinized for safety concerns and subsequent liability- and rightfully so. Be a good steward.
Brad117485 4 months ago
@Brad117485 I worked for 3 yrs as a height safety specialist - one of my main duties was anchor installation & testing of old anchors. At Rodellar bolts are generally well placed & installed, Euros seem to place better bolts than in the US.
That said, even a bad bolt would need a fair bit of outward force to dislodge it, more than the load here. Either way the next bolt down was high enough to stop him before the ground - redundancy is present in the system. As for a bolt being 'weakened' pfft!
Digdigs2 4 months ago
@Digdigs2 I'd say weakening of the bolt is a realistic concern (or at least weakening of the hanger). Metal parts do fatigue after repeated loading, and victory whippers just add to that fatigue. Shock loads can also turn properly fixed hangers into spinners, especially on soft rock (e.g. sandstone)
Personally, I do everything I can to reduce wear on fixed equipment. No intentional falls, generally lead within my capabilities, and I try to rap off instead of lowering whenever possible.
MakeFoodNow 3 months ago
@MakeFoodNow If the force is low enough, i.e. fall factor <0.3, which this fall was, as would almost all sport falls be, the fatigue to the bolt will be so minimal you'd be replacing it due to the wear the 'binder creates or old age before the fatigue due to the falls....
This is limestone, not sandstone.... anyway anyone who uses expansion bolts on sandstone is asking for trouble - glue-ins are the way to go. But it is TIME that causes the problem with expansion bolts, not loading.
Digdigs2 3 months ago
@MakeFoodNow look at this: routes. sydneyrockies. org. au / display / the lab / Fatigue+testing
just get rid of the spaces
the fall in the video would have registered 3kn absolute tops. A rally hash fall leaving a badly injured climber MAY generate 12kn - they'd be in hospital with broken ribs at the least... and their belayer would want to be running to the border.
Digdigs2 3 months ago
@Digdigs2 Actually - glue-ins should be the standard for bolts everywhere - much safer, longer lasting, can't be tampered with easily and there is no hanger to wear through. Expansion bolts are cheaper and easier to place - but like all cheap easy things probably best as a one-night stand.
Digdigs2 3 months ago
@Digdigs2 Yeah correctly placed glue in's are great till they saw through them with a darn top rope.
1942JJ 1 month ago in playlist mászások
@1942JJ yeah... takes a while though - just time to replace them... or use threaded rod with screw-on eyelets, then the eyelet can be replaced at will. An added bonus is that because they rotate it is not possible to put torsional load on the rod, thus stressing the glue. Downside is that the are a bit bigger and more visible.
Digdigs2 1 month ago
@Brad117485 nah man, even some pro's jump off after making a big send
Wazoodles 1 month ago
had that happen to me once. not even close to that distance though. goddamn.
paradoxdesigns 9 months ago
definitely some skid marks on that one...
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johncarllawrence 10 months ago
No children for that guy now
pRoFGamingPS3 10 months ago
This is what's called a "victory whipper"
Incidentally, this is extremely bad for the anchors, and is life-threatening for future climbers. But hey, you had your fun, and that's all that matters, right?
MakeFoodNow 10 months ago 2
@MakeFoodNow only if you're climbing sport. what if this was trad and they put their own anchor up?
nakedrobz 10 months ago
Ok American people,let me translate the description for you.
- After going all the way up on the Nanuk (7c) route,Victor asked me 4 meters of rope,he jumped and flew almost 20 meters!
Thumbs up so people can see.
EDUTAMARIU 10 months ago
weird. his last piece of pro was at the under hang and he was three feet from it. Why did he fall so far unless the belayer had 20+ feet of slack out?!?!?!?! what the heck happened?
brazinskicab 10 months ago
I will I knew every fucking language in the world >.<
HellsDemon777 11 months ago
nice
patryklesko95 11 months ago
Well, if this is not enough perspective to get over my lowsey fear of single clip falling..
ceebo100 11 months ago
One hell of a wedgie that was...
ashthegreat 1 year ago
it woulda been raining shit if that was me
MRirianXD 1 year ago 2
Good luck undoing that knot!
kristhe1andonly 1 year ago 119
@kristhe1andonly Double bowline??
Dazzar456 10 months ago
@Dazzar456 oh yeah that would be fine :) but generaly its a Figure of eight.
kristhe1andonly 10 months ago
@kristhe1andonly that knot?
Wazoodles 1 month ago
Bet there was a shit waiting in ya trousers after that :P
callummccaffery 1 year ago
That was not a fall . He intentionally jumped.
utuberine 1 year ago
scary:D
napparino 1 year ago
atomic wedgie!
mackdaddypimp32 1 year ago
@mackdaddypimp32 the ropes stretch slightly- thankfully that guy, or now we'd be calling him susan.
EvilLamas 1 year ago 3
@EvilLamas ahahaha yeah it prolly woulda chopped his shit off hahaha
mackdaddypimp32 1 year ago
Hmmmmm, that appeared mayyybbeee staged. Look at how the camera framed the shot, with the climber at the verrrrry top of the frame. Lol. So he could capture the whole fall. .. it seems like a possibility at least!
Qu1ntum 1 year ago
@Qu1ntum maybe they were showing how good the ropes are
pos2ma 1 year ago
chris sharma
jacobboyd06 1 year ago
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eidreen 1 year ago
That's a JUMP not a fall. I really hope that wasn't the anker you were jumping off from. That would just be dumb. Ever considered that other people are rapelling down from there and rely on it?
I meand what is the point in taking such a whipper? It's not like you were actually falling on the lead but more like a toprope fall with 18 m of slack rope. If that wasn't intentional I would seriously consider changing your belayer.
eidreen 1 year ago 2
dios
Blegoner2 1 year ago
WTF? Should be way more leads!
killerfishfinger 1 year ago
The comments here make me cringe at the history of our sport being lost. Dan Osman's ropes were not weathered and he and friends jumped multiple (10 or so) times on the rig. Black Diamond analyzed the rope and said they looked almost new despite being up for a month. The most likely cause is the tyrol got somehow taken out of the system, eliminating the shock absorber. There is no authoritative answer though.
angrywetsuit 1 year ago
@angrywetsuit I used to be on YOSAR and from what I read in Accidents in North American Mountaineering is that weathered equipment was a possible factor. I knew Dano and knew a bunch of his friends if there is anyone to remind us of the old saying it's him. "There's Bold Climbers and Old Climbers but no Bold Old Climbers. "
ecotahoe 1 year ago
why did he tie the rope around his dick? o right, he was looking to make it 12" of the best
PangeaSpreads 1 year ago
Yeahhhhhh,subidon subidon!!!!jajajajajaja
Que bueno!!hay debio ganar 2 años de vida!!xD
Muy bueno.
Hollyguan 1 year ago
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so you think the USA is the only country that speaks english? americans actually are as dumb as they seem..
resterforjosh 1 year ago 2
so lucky his rope didn't snap. fucking dumbass. set anchors every 10-15 feet.
rjholling 1 year ago
@rjholling chuck norris doesnt need rope and anchors!
15CenterMass 1 year ago
@15CenterMass
chuck norris got a jetpack
weiselwitz 1 year ago
@rjholling Dude, are you a climber? Those ropes don't snap at human weight, no matter how hard you abuse them! The biggest danger in such fall is to hit the rock when it is vertical.
Here is overhang, and there is enough space between the climber and the rock and unless he brakes all the anchors (impossible) I don't see real danger in this situation!
It's scary though...
bobs101 1 year ago
@bobs101 Not entirely true. Usually the climber will break before the rope. But if the rope is "abused" it can break. Dan Osman.
Maxdwolf 1 year ago
@bobs101 "those ropes dont snap at human weight"
yep...tell that to dave osman
akalestos1983 1 year ago
@akalestos1983 Who the tits is Dave Osman? And Dan jumped with Body Weight + Gear + extra rope, on a weathered rope.
michaeld916 1 year ago
@michaeld916 sorry dan
akalestos1983 1 year ago
@akalestos1983 The ropes don't snap at human weight given proper precautions... DAN (not Dave) Osman died from the rope snapping because he left an ALREADY-OLD rope outside for a MONTH in snow and rain weather.
A0den 1 year ago
@A0den yes but when you take a fall its not just you and the rope,there is also sharp rock...overall i agree with you
akalestos1983 1 year ago
vaya susto
dreamspeed756 1 year ago
lol
pablo2939 1 year ago
spiderman!
spermcubearchives 1 year ago
this fall would be more exciting to watch if it wasn't planned.
aprild75 1 year ago
Looks like a fun dive, obviously planned. You should really have your belayer give a more dynamic catch..
stinkoman01 2 years ago
this rope go to the garbage now
Samurai1984s 2 years ago
no idea why ppl mark this comment down. the rope should definitely throw away now, or be like dan oasma use same rope to jump twice and rope snapped 2nd time
jk2l 1 year ago
@jk2l actually the rope dint snap at least how i understand it dan moved his take off spot and added more rope. during the fall the ropes became tangled and the friction burnt threw the rope. so it was not a equipment failure :) how ever it works dan is the fcking man rip
LS503KING1 1 year ago
@jk2l I think what happened to him was he was doing some 'controlled free falls' in yosemite. The rope (and old, used one) melted bcuz of entanglement.
TheDoctorSalt 1 year ago
Jump!
r1skate 2 years ago
that aint shit** i fell 8 months ago 40 feet with no rope--only broken back and brain surgery-- check out my climb on washington states highest non volcanoe "bonanza peak"
braxstoned 2 years ago
Damn you didn't die. lol JOOOOOOOOOKES, hope you feel better!
ukmob4life 2 years ago
@braxstoned fucking troll
bloodsuckern 2 years ago
you should be proud!
davidbulley123 2 years ago
@braxtoned: .... ONLY broken back and brain surgery. Geez, glad ya didnt do something serious like twist your ankle or get scrapped up.
GforceDown 2 years ago 2
Fuck! I think he's spraying!
otto5000 2 years ago
@braxstoned
lol
newspot221 2 years ago
That ain't shit** I fell yesterday ago 300 feet with no back-- only broken brain and rope surgery.
stinkoman01 2 years ago
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maniga3004 2 years ago
Ropes are rated to sustain a certain number of factor 2 falls. If I took a factor 2 fall, I'd quit climbing, but the rope should still be good.
This fall was nowhere near a factor 2 fall, perhaps .5 The only way to achieve a factor 2 fall is to fall twice the distance of the rope beyond the belay, impossible to do single pitch climbing because you'd be on the ground.
enabarbus 2 years ago 21
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maniga3004 2 years ago
To maniga3004:
Well, you are not really excused. You know you are a beginner, so why would you comment on such technical stuff without checking the facts? (And by doing that, you spread false information) It's easy to check the facts. It's all explained well in the leaflet that came with your climbing rope.
Maybe you don't have a climbing rope...
callmeJorn 2 years ago
Oh sorry, I made a mistake. Shame on me. It was a oversight. You never made a mistake in your life?
I think its not common in Youtube that someone says "Sorry, I made a mistake". So accept that!
The comments should be used to discuss a theme! I wrote bullshit, about the factor, and someone corrected it. But nevertheless I am right with the fact that after some (more than I thought, with the mistake -> that means no life was in danger, only some money) of these falls you should buy a new rope
maniga3004 2 years ago
want a blight
blackk48 2 years ago
Oh, and somthing else. The comment I was answering to, is much much more dangerous than mine was. Because ropes are not made for hundreds of this falls. Every fall makes the rope weaker, and the chance that the rope snaps gets higher. Thats why in the leaflet of your rope is a table where you should enter the history of your rope, so you can sort it out after some bad falls.
maniga3004 2 years ago
"Because ropes are not made for hundreds of this falls. Every fall makes the rope weaker, and the chance that the rope snaps gets higher."
I can't stand the term "rope snaps". It makes it sound like ropes just randomly break.
Actually, ropes are made for hundreds of factor 1ish falls. That fall count rating on your rope is "how many fall factor 1.78 falls can your rope take *at the same spot* before breaking, with an 80kg weight.
Sport climbers routinely take hundreds of falls on a rope.
thekobaz 2 years ago 3
@thekobaz
remind me not to climb on your rope...
karalittle 9 months ago
@karalittle
I probably should have been more specific. On a 10.5 rope, based on anecdotal evidence from myself and other climbers, you can take a hundred or more soft falls (<= 1.0 fall factor) without compromising the integrity of your rope, given that they are clean falls without the rope seeing abrasion and etc.
What do you do with your rope after a fall? Do you retire your rope after the fall count? If you do, you must have a lot of money for buying new ropes.
thekobaz 9 months ago
@thekobaz
I guess when you posted info about falls on this video, I assumed this is the kind of fall you were referring to. As for me, I'm a very conservative climber and have never been in a situation like this where a fall of this magnitude was likely to happen.
karalittle 9 months ago
@karalittle
The fall distance by itself is not an indication of the forces that were put on the system. It's hard to tell the exact fall factor from the fall in the video, but it's not a very severe fall as there was a lot of rope out and the climber was maybe 6 meters above the ground after the fall. With that assumption and an 18m fall. 6+18+18=42m total rope out / 18m fall = 0.42 fall factor. We don't know the diameter of the rope, but if it's a 9.8 or 10.0 or more, the rope was fine.
thekobaz 9 months ago
Can you explain that? If a factor 2 fall is just falling double the rope length past the belay then a climber 2 feet above the belay would only have to fall 4 feet to be a factor 2?
I'm not a climber so excuse my ignorance.
goblin072 2 years ago
Yep that would be a factor 2 fall. A lot more force would be put on the equipment in that 4 foot fall than a 20 foot fall if the last piece of protection was 40 feet above the belay. The reason is that four foot fall only has 2 feet of rope to absorb the force, where as that 20 foot fall would have 50 feet.
sillyak 2 years ago
What factor was that fall in the opening of Vertical Limit. (loved that movie) (don't rune the fantasy, I'm sure real climbers think its dumb because they see the flaws in the lingo.
Anyway when those two guys fell on their rope. Would that really hold them for that long?
They were coming in from high up.
goblin072 2 years ago
goblin072- You are correct, if a climber is 2 feet above a belay and falls 4 feet, that is a fall factor of 2, a huge amount of force. Furthermore, in this instance, there is very little rope out to absorb said force-- just 4 feet.
Also, if the lead climber were to fall directly onto the belayer's harness, the belayer would not be able to hold the fall-- why it's important to place gear immediately above the belay and/or clip the anchor as the first piece of gear.
enabarbus 2 years ago
Man that sounds too complicated. I can see why Dan Osman said the heck with ropes, too much work calculating this and that. hehe. J//k
So the ropes are a bit stretchy on purpose then.
Guess you would need to factor in the weight of the climber the rope flexibility and maybe free fall velocity. But it sounds like a longer rope gives a gradual build up to full force vs a shorter fall w/shorter rope. Sort of like jumping on the belay.
goblin072 2 years ago
@enabarbus UIAA Rating are for Factor 1.77 falls, but other than that you're completely right
AusMetal33 9 months ago
WANKERS
leckey119 2 years ago
omg.. what a mistake!!!
if he's at the top he'd anchore himself if there's not a carabine on the chain..simply rule to avoid falls..
A2Rclimbing 2 years ago
Now he just can do it for 5 times!;)
drummerboypaddy 2 years ago
this guy fall on purpose ? if he did,.. that is not good for a rope :)
menox83 2 years ago
omg, he doesnt know what he's doing, he shouldn't do that, you should never talk about something you dont know about, man seriously, do some of you realize how dumb you sound? I mean half of the commentors don't even seem to know correct grammar. Wow, take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the video, if he didn't know what he was doing before, I am sure he will go find out now
clifflasure 2 years ago
So you think people shoudn't comment if they don't have english as their native language?
Did you think YouTube is an all USA site?
callmeJorn 2 years ago 125
@callmeJorn all canadian bitch, eh?
zxcvbnmjfjf 1 year ago
@zxcvbnmjfjf So he's not capable to see beyong North America.. What a fascinating small world. What a fascinating narrow mind...
callmeJorn 1 year ago 2
@callmeJorn youtube.com is... im pretty sure they have youtube.fr and youtube.uk and other sites for separate languages
safghaddy 1 year ago
@safghaddy well then you are pretty much retarded.... cause they dont and if they have its not youtube who made it, its sure some fake virus website. and dot com doesnt mean its english... im from denmark and danish sites uses dot com also...
nicora60 1 year ago
@nicora60 No, he's not retarded. You tube has dropped those country designations, but you can still used it to specify language. Go to the main site and type in dot jp after the dot com. You'll get the usual homepage, but with a bar w. katakana near the top. Clik on the katakana link and much of the English will be converted to Japanese.
Maxdwolf 1 year ago
that's true, i live in Poland and i just type youtube.pl BUT it is not a different site, it's just translated, but not like the video titles, it's the whole "interface" that's translated like the search button and all that other shit...
tomek45654 1 year ago
@callmeJorn so usa is the only country that speaks english? lawl... telling someone off fail.
GrantAustinPeace 1 year ago
@callmeJorn we speak merican round here!
patwrotethis 1 year ago
@patwrotethis , ja rozpravam v tvojom jazyku len ked mam chut...
Dalamon1 1 year ago
@Dalamon1 dont be sorry that you dont speak merican. i just love merica and i love to speak merican
patwrotethis 1 year ago
@callmeJorn .... Well english takes part and is mostly the main language on the site.. good thing we got google translator.
paul911d 1 year ago
@callmeJorn haha 69 likes!!
yourmomishott334 1 year ago
@callmeJorn
the US isnt the only country that speaks english
DoubIeKiIl 1 year ago
@DoubIeKiIl
You missed the point, sorry. Read the whole thread.
callmeJorn 1 year ago
@DoubIeKiIl Yeah, but they're the only clowns who expect the whole world to speak in it.
Wiegieboard 1 year ago
@Wiegieboard
a sweeping generalization accusing others of making sweeping generalizations?
im somewhat impressed
DoubIeKiIl 1 year ago
@DoubIeKiIl Behold the glory of youtube logic.
Wiegieboard 1 year ago
@Wiegieboard
you, good sir, are right. only on youtube will you find self-defeating posts
DoubIeKiIl 1 year ago
@callmeJorn no, its english.
imyto18 1 year ago
@imyto18 :
Sorry, u r missing the point here. At the moment there are at least some 70 people who actually got the point. Think again.
callmeJorn 1 year ago
@callmeJorn i am.
english is main for youtube anyway, same as there isnt any english on youku.com is there?
so yeah england ftw
imyto18 1 year ago
@callmeJorn It should be! for us by us!
durhamdf 1 year ago
@callmeJorn do you think that the USA is the only country to speak English lol
xMrVioletx 11 months ago
@xMrVioletx r u stupid?
M3xicanDaddy 10 months ago
@callmeJorn
AND FCUK U
jantanmalaya 10 months ago
i think more you are obvious not the right man to comment here.
Achtelnote 2 years ago
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hes abseiling you idiots
THEPOKEBIN1 2 years ago
thats not abseiling you ......
Achtelnote 2 years ago
Well he's obviously not ready for Free Climbing.....
Taurus8763 2 years ago
dude
TEMSproductions 2 years ago
How is it a fake? Have you never climbed before???
Chooky707 2 years ago
You clearly know nothing about climbing, after a couple of big falls like that you need to stop using a climbing. Please, never try and pretend to know alot about climbing, ever again.
Chooky707 2 years ago
fall factor ?
streethero9 2 years ago
fuck...that.
Engle507 2 years ago
wtf he jumped didnt he
junkman226 2 years ago
that's how it looks to me
5telios 2 years ago
are you a retard?
bensnow003 2 years ago
is this Ceüce?
sMonstaAusmSchrank 2 years ago
For anyone wondering dan osman died because when he jumped or modified bungee jump his ropes crossed and the friction from it literally melted the rope and he fell to his death, ropes are really strong and can have hard falls on them 9 or 10 times before they are considered not safe, dan osman was sponcered and probably got 30 new ropes a month, as for this yes its a long fall but its more of a jump then a fall.
CodyJonmusic 2 years ago
Probably got 30 new ropes a month. You probably don't know shit. But the ropes did cross and melt. Or was it a conspiiiirraccyyyy? Spooky.
giantbluemarlin 2 years ago
um except that he jumped once and left his ropes there for 3 weeks then came back to get them and decided to jump again thats when he fell... yup i don't know shit....
CodyJonmusic 2 years ago 2
@CodyJonmusic
he didnt just leave, he was in jail for not paying parking tickets =)
NullusxVotum 1 year ago
falling is SOOOO scary!!!
thecrazyBFFLs2227 2 years ago 3
People arent afraid of fall, they are afraid of how will the fall look like. Thats why your first fall in certain route is the most terrifying
Tiki1597 2 years ago
yeah ... really looks like he felt on purpose.... and he's not the first one to do such a thing.... could be kinda funny :P i did it too.... but not that high...
it'also good to fight the fear of falling... but this guy definitly let himself fall for fun cause if he didnt plan to fall that high he just would have belayed himself with more expresses right?
Sbasti 2 years ago 7
it's after about 8-10 falls like that you're supposed to retire a rope. Not every time. They could hold a bus from a cliff, the weight of a person falling that far is barely abuse, but I'd still retire after 10 falls like that. As for the "fake" claims, it's a real fall, but he fell on purpose I can tell. Not that I can blame him, I haven't fallen more than 10 feet but that did indeed look like a rush.
Tomwentinsane 2 years ago
lol now go buy a new rope
snowyywwinters 2 years ago 4
i lina do wyjebania
Michu096 2 years ago
good luck untying that knot!
awsomevertskater 2 years ago 80
@awsomevertskater looool
joshgun2 1 year ago
i think they were being stupid and had to much slack and he stuffed up
towna99 2 years ago
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FAKEEEE!!!!
tukmote 2 years ago
was fürn fake du homo... man alter wie oft fällt man denn bitte beim klettern, sowas muss man nicht faken du alt biotonn..
1988annodomine 2 years ago
why fake?idiot.happens all the time.
Achtelnote 2 years ago