that auto loader is freaking insane!!! im a marine tanker and i personally believe russian tanks with a well trained crew as the crew in this video are just as good as what we have. also russian tanks are equipped with ATGM munitions that can touch our tanks before we can even be in max effective range. their reactive armor is more superior to ours and their tanks T-72, T-80, and T-90s shouldnt be mistaken
Can anybody who speaks English give more details on what tank this is?
It seems pretty crazy to not have a fume extractor and to have to open a vent in the roof like that. Everyone in the turret must have been choking on the fumes.
@cammander263 no, T-64 was first tank with autoreload sistem. its not T-72, and, of course, its not T-90 ;-D T-64 is easy to recognize by unique sound of power-saw bench
@simich1989 i thought they were like the t-55 tank it was munaly loaded , last i heard not that many t-64 arnr around, does russia still use them for training ? cause i kno the countrys that russia use to claim have them or moved on to the t-72 and so
@cammander263 RF military use them in training because there a lot of T-64 in army, they still on move, reliable and, again, they have autoreload sistem like in T-72, T-80 and T-90. its cheаper to use T-64, moreover its moves, shoots like other tanks. just pragmatism, no more
@cammander263 its imposiable. T-64 never exports from USSR. even in East Germany. and of course never in Afgan. you ive seen T-55, it was main export tank in those times, before T-72
@simich1989 i dont want to buy a tank , i just look at sales for them , i just like looking at them even though they look cool drive, old russian tanks have a rip of price for them , like i said i like looking at them , :)
Молодчики!!!. неважно что танк старый, научимся на нем, на новом будет как 2 пальцо обосфальт!!! За идею съемки отдельный плюсик.. а то надоело смотреть на подобные съемки в пиндосовском исполнении..
It doesnt have to be best tank, nazi's had one of the most superior tanks in the world and still the best overall tank in WWII was T-34. The best at the moment still belongs to Germany, they are naturally good in making tanks just as good as they make they cars.
америкосы и немцы стреляют с места, с открытыми люками и считают это нормальным[смотрите видео],а наши лупят с ходу и лишь приоткрыли люки,так что не надо гнать на пацанов.
Очень неплохо! Одно только не совсем понял - это нормально, что после выстрела и открытия затвора пушки в башню попадает столько дыма? Вроде же как в избыточное давление должно быть (правда при закрытых люках)
@GlobalTranceMaster T-64 have it too. But it's in work only when tank is germetized and pressurized (part of HEP - Hazardous Enviroment Protection, for biological, nuclear or chemical war). As you can see - commander's hatch is opened.
Юноше за тридцать...otzelot68,ты меня на конфликт спровоцировать хочешь,что-ли?Про евреев,вроде тебя,я уже давно составил своё мнение,поэтому можешь продолжать пукать сколь угодно.
@19810101PR Hahahah What a way with words you guys have. But I'm not going to hold my breath for this rusty russian POS to smoke me. I've spent years in a real tank lol and this ain't it.
@19810101PR So why don't you put that rusty hunk of russian shit with it's drunken crew up against our boys nd see what happens. :-) Talk is talk, but the proof is in the pudding.
The AL is pretty fast mate, around 3 secs per round and its CONSTANT. A human loader and load 1 a bit round faster (in under 3 secs), but a human isnt constant as he gets tired and cant load effectively if the tank is fast moving on x-country.
All in all an AL is more efficient.
And if im not mistaken its a T-64, the bast tank of its time and the first 3rd gen tank in history (same gen tanks are still in) and 15 years before others got that far.
True, but if I were to "break down" I am easily replaced with another person...such as the gunner or driver by switching positions. That and I can also load all day long and not get tired...its all technique and making the round work for you instead of working that round. Still they look like they move pretty fast and look like they are on the ball. Also, I counted a 7 second load time here...are they faster then that?
The rounds in Russian tanks can be loaded manually as well, so thats not an issue.
Nah bro, you will get tired, you cant load efficiently when the tank is moving on x-country and firing.
Well this vid doenst show the action clearly, and it loads only when the gunner selects to load and what to load. Its the same loader as in T-80, you can check for a better vid. Yeah, they are technically faster than 7secs. As a loader you dont load a random round, you load when and what youre asked.
Some might say a human loader is more reliable. Well... maybe, but then again it saves 15 tons of weight and size without compromising protection just by having 1 crew member less. And what speaks for the AL is that FCS tanks of western countries also feature them, including the US.
Done cross-country loading many times bud...as well as loading all the basic load in the tank and kept going strong...you last a helluva a long time if you are short and use a good technique. But anyways, it's apples and oranges to be honest; both have their good points and bad points...but with a human loader, you have another person to help with maintenance of the tank. That in itself is worth it ;-)
Yeah id agree with you on that they arent really comparable and each has its pros and cons. Well if you pick an extra person id pick the 15 tons off and reduction in size lol.
3 guys for a much smaller tank to take care of :)))
even a smaller tank is very maintenance intensive though...then add in the AL into the mix...I think you would have a similar amount of maintenance as one with a human loader. Just a guess, but with another person maintenance is not so intensive.
i believe autoloader speeds depend on the position of the round selected in the carousel and vary somewhat. that said i am surprised they haven't spread as wide.
Well they are a relatively new feature introduced to the west only in the late 70s. The Russian a-loder concept is somewhat flawed having limitations. Although recently many countries are developing them: Russia, China, Japan, France, US Stryker and M8-AGS as well as the FCS. In the future a human loader will be gone for good in every design.
damn T-72's and T-90's are small as hell like short it makes them hard to shoot but shity for the ppl inside i like the M1A1 Abrams and the M1A1 Tusk more but thats my opinouin
Этот танк явно не новый. А примерно 80-90 годов выпуска. Естественно на нём нет таких систем что бы дыма небыло внутри танка.Но нашим танкистам это не особо мешает) Главное люк открыть и всё)
I'm from Romania i dont understand russian language.sorry. our tanks are based on russian t 55 and T 72 and our older version of tr 580 , tr 125 and tr 85 are having the same problem
Use translator) Строятся они на одной базе - а именно сам ВИД, общая внешность основной части танка. Но первые впечатления обманчивы. Броня другая, системы другие, технолгоии производства и всё остальное новое.
Фигню какую-то морозишь... еще на 34-х были вентиляторыв башне. В т-34-85 их хорошо видно - на башне такие выпуклые круглые фиговины + еще продувка ствола...
Какраз таки ты фигню несёш.После выстрела почти весь дым и гарь идёт в танк,никакой вентелятор не поможет и никакой продувки ствола там небыло.Спроси у ветеранов что они делали во время боя - а они открывали 1 из люков и чем-нибудь его привязывали, что бы до конца не открылся.
@KiLLeR12007SerJo Поэтому привязывали брючным ремнем и одной рукой придерживали.
А люк механика водителя опять же держали открытым даже когда в атаку шли, потому что на первых версиях Т-34 имел очень узкие щели как для водителя так и для коммандира.
soplyaki."..cel ne viju.."da i ventilyatori nerabotayuyt vidno.I tesno to kak...Navernoe tak gadko vse sdelano 4to bi ekipaju vse ravno bilo ostanetsya li on v jivih ili net
Россия так же как и СССР делает машины для ВОЙНЫ!!! А не для модных показов и понтов. Танк должен иметь достаточную броню, огневую мощ и скорость. Наши танки всем этим требованиям отвечают.А те кто привык к комфорту, войну сразу проебут.
Da no na"ВОЙНE!!!" su6testvuet takoe polojenie,4to tot kto vedet boy ne doljen otvlekatsya ot vedeniya boya ni na 4to. Dokazano uje ne raz,4to imenno povi6enniy komfort sposobstvuet efectivnosti deystviy ekipajey boevih ma6in.Ya ne tak uj i 6irok v ple4ah,no mne h... razvernutsya v 72ke.Mne tam sidet ne ho4etsya ne to 4to voevat
A i poka va6i tanki goryat 4a6e 4em inozemnie.I vse eto mi videli.Esli pro Irak tverdite 4to amerikanskiy blef,to 72ek bilo neuznat posle popadaniy i v 4e4ne i v Osetii
Какие нафиг кадры из горячих точек. Ты привези абрамс в Чечню зимой, пусть пройдёт от нашей границы до Грозного.Потом несколько месяцев на этом абрамсе каждый день воевать. Стрелять, ездить по 200-400 км в день по говну, полям и лесам. И посмотрим мы как на нём хорошо воевать)
Abramsi regulyarno obkativayut zimoy v Alyaske pri -30C.Oni je voevali 4asto pri etom v nelu46em meste i neploho.
A ya ne sli6al 4tobi rusak kogda nebud s uvajeniem i opaskoy otzivalsya bi o veroyatnom protivnike.Va6i na4inayut imet respekt tolko kogda im etot protivnik ki6ki naruju vipustit.Tupo na svoih o6ibkah u4itsya,a va6i vidat i na svoih ne u4atsya
if they get used to that piece of shit, driving a easy safe powerfull modern tank shall be with greater ease!, its like spartans fought bulls wolves & other monster to get ready to face (often weaker) human oponents, so yes russian traing is better than cheap americans who use a video game for training of real tanks, its like katanas, dont train with stick. if you will fight with a steel sword!▐▐▐▐
because you had a airforce & weapons like the gau 8 cannon, which destroyed your eney. but if it where not for your airforce (that is what the american eagle represents) you would have lost every war in history, and you cant shit me cause i see every video about killing terrorist ends with airstrikes or any other bombardment (which or course the bullets travel throught the air!) ^__^▐▐▐
So 2000+ Abrams tanks just sat in the desert while the airforce killed every iraqi tank? You are so full of shit and you know it.
In any case, going back to your (incorrect) original point: Americans don't just train in simulators. They have regular tank exercises just like the one the Russians are doing here. Except we train with actual functional tanks, not outdated crap from the sixties.
5,000,000 stars!...thankyou! this is a very interesting video...quite the action filming considering every thing that the crew are doing at the same time! superb! (former company commander of #14 tanks m-60a3tts 84th division usar milwaukee wisconsin usa)
called borevacuator ( doubt it, russians use their troops like their cheap pieces of equipment , no care for saftey. And yes i am an American and proud of it, ex army tanker I have driven loaded and gunned. )
Awesome video. Looks like the guys were having fun...and I would too if I were there. Reminds me of shooting Table VIII in my M1A1, back in the day....
Well changing of subject. Some guys who speak russian here, can you tell me how the tanker helmet ts called in russian? I had tried to find to not veil its kinda hard to look.
Did you shoot this video? If you did it must have been like hell on tracks. All that smoke, the cramped space, the autoloader, the breech flying past you at a hundred miles an hour. At about 2:25 in the movie I'd be yelling in fright and screaming to be let out. May be because I'm claustrophobic dunno.
Makes you wonder what would happen if your hand got stuck into the auto-loader? Instant meat grinder. No wonder why most tank crews prefer the old manual loading.
Havent you heard of the accidents in the autoloader of the T72? There's a myth as to say, that the gunner lost most of his hand because the autoloader grabbed his sleeve. Think that sometimes it broke down and the crew have to fix it manually. I think that manual loading its safer and perhaps more quickly if is a good trained crew. Like Leopard 2 loader, very nice rate of fire with a trained loader.
There are no known incidents involving autoloaders that resulted in injury. And getting your sleeve grabbed by autoloader is no small task, it requires dedication and work. So far it seems that "man-eating autoloader" is a myth that originated and is circulating exclusively in western literature.
Yes but I still think that manual loading its safer and faster. The weight will be reduced too...I think that the auto loader adds a ton or two to the weight of the MBT.
Why so? Im sorry but havent you see the auto loader system in the back of the tank? The chamber that holds the rounds and pass the rounds to the mechanism that loads it. Besides, auto-loaders on tanks often fail to live up to these promises and even when they do, they are often to the detriment of other factors that determine combat effectiveness in the real world. Which means I still prefer old manual loading, just safer.
The autoloadr MAY add an extra ton, but it will reduce total weight of the vehicle by 8 or so tons, usually required to protect that extra crew member (because that extra crew member requires additional space and internal volume, thus increasing vehicle size). That's basically the main reason why the Soviets chose the auto loaders - to save weight and make more compact designs.
P.S. Sorry for responding so late, but when I saw your posts I just felt I had to clarify this. ;-)
Tovarich, just watching that murderous autoloader in action makes the "Fargo" woodchipper look innocuous.
I'd say all the Cold War legends were true and that thing is a maneater.
I saw the Military Channel special about the U.S. Army's Abrams tank training school and the M1A1 is a veritable limousine by comparison. As I understand it, U.S. doctrine holds that a human loader is still faster and smarter than any machine.
That's what I have read, a human loader is still smarter and faster than a machine.
Then there's this little tendency of autoloaders to occasionally turn the gunner into hamburger. I'd rather have to share space with the "Fargo" woodchipper.
people have been using human reladers from 2nd ww.
its is the outdated 30 year old m1 technology without the auto reloaders made the its manufacturers say that (so they can sell their product of course)
why in the world do you think that advanced technology like russia, japan, france, or korea uses it, if its worse than a dude reloading 50 rounds (Gets fucken tired)?
that auto loader is freaking insane!!! im a marine tanker and i personally believe russian tanks with a well trained crew as the crew in this video are just as good as what we have. also russian tanks are equipped with ATGM munitions that can touch our tanks before we can even be in max effective range. their reactive armor is more superior to ours and their tanks T-72, T-80, and T-90s shouldnt be mistaken
mikepasek 1 month ago
Is this a T-64 or T-72?
zakspeedf1 3 months ago
I think the first round fired the propellant was damp thats why its smokey due to unburnt powder as with most firearm case'es in damp conditions
superweld1 3 months ago
Good luck, enemies.
suckmybass 6 months ago
Хваленая русоблядская техника, лол.
lapweed 6 months ago
@lapweed не пизди дохуя
iloverebeccachambers 3 months ago
lol, im pretty sure this tank was build before T-64. What a junk! I want one!
Avatarass 7 months ago
Can anybody who speaks English give more details on what tank this is?
It seems pretty crazy to not have a fume extractor and to have to open a vent in the roof like that. Everyone in the turret must have been choking on the fumes.
EntropicMisanthropic 8 months ago
@EntropicMisanthropic its very very old t-64. its training, thats why its so faulti and decrepit))))
simich1989 8 months ago
@simich1989 the t-64 has an auto loading system , i thought it was manualy loaded, lookes like a t-72 to 90
cammander263 8 months ago
@cammander263 no, T-64 was first tank with autoreload sistem. its not T-72, and, of course, its not T-90 ;-D T-64 is easy to recognize by unique sound of power-saw bench
simich1989 8 months ago
@simich1989 i thought they were like the t-55 tank it was munaly loaded , last i heard not that many t-64 arnr around, does russia still use them for training ? cause i kno the countrys that russia use to claim have them or moved on to the t-72 and so
cammander263 8 months ago
@cammander263 RF military use them in training because there a lot of T-64 in army, they still on move, reliable and, again, they have autoreload sistem like in T-72, T-80 and T-90. its cheаper to use T-64, moreover its moves, shoots like other tanks. just pragmatism, no more
simich1989 8 months ago
@simich1989 oh ok , didnt know that the only t-64s ive seen was on a vidio about afghans national army using them
cammander263 8 months ago
@cammander263 its imposiable. T-64 never exports from USSR. even in East Germany. and of course never in Afgan. you ive seen T-55, it was main export tank in those times, before T-72
simich1989 8 months ago
@simich1989 that explains , how come i can find a t055 for sale but never a t-62 for sale
cammander263 8 months ago
@cammander263 you want to buy a tank? for what?! :-)))
simich1989 8 months ago
@simich1989 i dont want to buy a tank , i just look at sales for them , i just like looking at them even though they look cool drive, old russian tanks have a rip of price for them , like i said i like looking at them , :)
cammander263 8 months ago
@cammander263 good luck
simich1989 8 months ago
u need a smokless power for that , so all that smoke doesnt come out
cammander263 9 months ago
What kind of Tank is this?
starguard 9 months ago
There's automatic gun breech ventilating system, but looks like it's not working very well. :D
Piparkakkumauste 10 months ago
what a fail tank.. the more rounds they fire.. the entire tank will be filled with smoke
F35JSFA1 11 months ago
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autoloader is cool though :D
paganarh 11 months ago
Одличан вам је тенк! Поздрав браћо Руси из Србије!
9Zito4 11 months ago
Autoloader - a good idea, but from what I understand the early system such as the one in the T-64 was a cranky sunnavabitch.
KiwiKugai 1 year ago
пацаны такие молодые!
gribuser 1 year ago
looks damn scary in that tank.
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
can some one please open a fkn window...i can't fkn see any thing :)))
24DEX 1 year ago
U Russians have nice tanks -- full of rust inside
TheBloody071 1 year ago
what are they talking about?
mumbojumbozigzag 1 year ago
crazy russians
challywang 1 year ago
Nechci být uvnitř tohoto mašinka.
(I do not want to be inside this thing.)
Prvnipes 1 year ago 6
Dam man...in M84AB we dont have even close this much smoke... O.o Everything goes out....
ITmage 1 year ago
I love this clip. In Soviet Russia- tank drives you.
kukenimunnen 1 year ago
ITS MADE TO KILL PEOPLE dosent have to be good looking
tipex12 1 year ago
Autoloading !!!! :D
Sunderas 1 year ago
Russian tanks are good period, but damn I would not wanna sit around all breathing that smoke after shooting >_<
genma986 1 year ago
When the cannon shoot, I'm understood that this guys don't fucking around
Scoutrussp7 1 year ago
Вот это да?! Капц страх то какой !
bemba74 1 year ago
Молодчики!!!. неважно что танк старый, научимся на нем, на новом будет как 2 пальцо обосфальт!!! За идею съемки отдельный плюсик.. а то надоело смотреть на подобные съемки в пиндосовском исполнении..
Mainric 1 year ago 2
what tank is this? it looks like it is old and battle hardened
kalinga01 1 year ago
не плохо но вот люк желательно закрыть ,чтобы дума не было :)
frai85 1 year ago
T-64 !! Haha the tank that regularly drops the tracks ? Lol the best ?
Good joke.
mad91K 1 year ago
It doesnt have to be best tank, nazi's had one of the most superior tanks in the world and still the best overall tank in WWII was T-34. The best at the moment still belongs to Germany, they are naturally good in making tanks just as good as they make they cars.
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TherussianVS 1 year ago
It's target practice from modernized T-64. ;)
BlueBrown86 1 year ago
to much smoke they must stay with hatch open . is this T 72 ?
guzzi04 1 year ago
@guzzi04
T-80. And the bore-evacuator is broken, that's why there's smoke after firing.
Iggy82xl 1 year ago
америкосы и немцы стреляют с места, с открытыми люками и считают это нормальным[смотрите видео],а наши лупят с ходу и лишь приоткрыли люки,так что не надо гнать на пацанов.
viper6681 1 year ago
А как гироскоп работает!!! Заглядение!.
NAZIONALPATRIOT 1 year ago
i got question, i always wanted to no, HOW DO YOU FIT THOSE FUCKING HUGE MISSILES IN THAT TANK??
a007ownman 1 year ago
Очень неплохо! Одно только не совсем понял - это нормально, что после выстрела и открытия затвора пушки в башню попадает столько дыма? Вроде же как в избыточное давление должно быть (правда при закрытых люках)
MexaniG 1 year ago
@MexaniG Наверно танк старый, учебный, вот что-то и работает у них "не так".
Megallion1 1 year ago 2
@MexaniG
New T-80 and T-90 have a palesos a thing that sucks the smoke outside.
GlobalTranceMaster 1 year ago
@GlobalTranceMaster T-64 have it too. But it's in work only when tank is germetized and pressurized (part of HEP - Hazardous Enviroment Protection, for biological, nuclear or chemical war). As you can see - commander's hatch is opened.
clouster75 1 year ago
Включай гравицапу! Гравицапу включай!! (с)
Почему-то навеяло сказать эту фразу.
RussianKondr 1 year ago
best tank? are you sure about that??
MegaJoe63 1 year ago
@MegaJoe63 it is necessary?
Megallion1 1 year ago
@Megallion1 well yea, i think its necessary to have good weapons, but im just wondering how it is the best tank, that is all.
MegaJoe63 1 year ago
@Megallion1 T-72B?
25Milimeter 1 year ago
@25Milimeter T64 i would say...
ITmage 1 year ago
@25Milimeter
64 или 80, скорее 80. механизм заряжания выдаёт.
tdmtu1500ag 1 year ago
Holy "need some bore evacuator maintenance" Batman!
Still, very interesting.
kruser79 1 year ago
DEVIL KILLER TANK BRAVO
mirtioo 1 year ago
Милый! Я любила его, когда вы стреляли пушки! Это зверь из танка! Я люблю старое!
ModelbuildingTANKS 2 years ago
Да,давай.Сиди в Евреестане и не высовывайся.
Bigls11 2 years ago 3
Юноше за тридцать...otzelot68,ты меня на конфликт спровоцировать хочешь,что-ли?Про евреев,вроде тебя,я уже давно составил своё мнение,поэтому можешь продолжать пукать сколь угодно.
Bigls11 2 years ago
It's pretty obvious that this a 40 year old completely worn-out tank used for basic training.
Smoke means that bore fume extractor really needs cleaning.
PKSnsk 2 years ago 5
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@PKSnsk Excuses excuses, just another russian piece of garbage.
TheJohnnychevelle 2 years ago
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haha this "russian piece of garbage" will be fuck your foppish ass so that ur rotten homosexual ass will smoke
suck my dick, baby
19810101PR 1 year ago 3
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@19810101PR Hahahah What a way with words you guys have. But I'm not going to hold my breath for this rusty russian POS to smoke me. I've spent years in a real tank lol and this ain't it.
TheJohnnychevelle 1 year ago
@TheJohnnychevelle
The real tank you see in it video
But you speak about m60? Or about abrams? abrams most the worst tank of all tanks of the world. It has been confirmed in many conflicts :)
19810101PR 1 year ago 3
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@19810101PR So why don't you put that rusty hunk of russian shit with it's drunken crew up against our boys nd see what happens. :-) Talk is talk, but the proof is in the pudding.
TheJohnnychevelle 1 year ago
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What a piece of shit
TheJohnnychevelle 2 years ago
Этот "кусок дерьма" в своё время ебал в жопу половину Европы и,если бы понадобилось,выебал бы в жопу твою ублюдочную страну США.
Bigls11 2 years ago 39
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Don't reply to me in commie jubberish. Speak american this IS an american website after all.
TheJohnnychevelle 2 years ago
Американский сайт? Американцам никто не говорил случайно,что Ирак, Афганистан не американские штаты?
Bigls11 2 years ago
haha exactly
nleskiw 2 years ago
Я говорю-посмотреть бы. Мне не интересна говорильня, если это не мнение конструктора танка.
Bigls11 2 years ago
Это Т-72,кажется.Посмотреть бы Т-90 внутри.
Bigls11 2 years ago
does t-90 comes with stereo player inside? :)
djuravldc 2 years ago
Thanks for the video, very interesting.
bfgguns 2 years ago
С таким блеском в глазах как у этих парней мы не победимы :)))) Гениальное видео - 5 звезд
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Xakku77 2 years ago
still...the crew moved pretty damn fast...looked like they got their shit in one bag....
DIVeltro 2 years ago
Is that as fast as the autoloader can load? I could have loaded three rounds in that time and I ain't a big guy....
DIVeltro 2 years ago
The AL is pretty fast mate, around 3 secs per round and its CONSTANT. A human loader and load 1 a bit round faster (in under 3 secs), but a human isnt constant as he gets tired and cant load effectively if the tank is fast moving on x-country.
All in all an AL is more efficient.
And if im not mistaken its a T-64, the bast tank of its time and the first 3rd gen tank in history (same gen tanks are still in) and 15 years before others got that far.
Buuub08 2 years ago
True, but if I were to "break down" I am easily replaced with another person...such as the gunner or driver by switching positions. That and I can also load all day long and not get tired...its all technique and making the round work for you instead of working that round. Still they look like they move pretty fast and look like they are on the ball. Also, I counted a 7 second load time here...are they faster then that?
DIVeltro 2 years ago
The rounds in Russian tanks can be loaded manually as well, so thats not an issue.
Nah bro, you will get tired, you cant load efficiently when the tank is moving on x-country and firing.
Well this vid doenst show the action clearly, and it loads only when the gunner selects to load and what to load. Its the same loader as in T-80, you can check for a better vid. Yeah, they are technically faster than 7secs. As a loader you dont load a random round, you load when and what youre asked.
Buuub08 2 years ago
Some might say a human loader is more reliable. Well... maybe, but then again it saves 15 tons of weight and size without compromising protection just by having 1 crew member less. And what speaks for the AL is that FCS tanks of western countries also feature them, including the US.
Buuub08 2 years ago
Done cross-country loading many times bud...as well as loading all the basic load in the tank and kept going strong...you last a helluva a long time if you are short and use a good technique. But anyways, it's apples and oranges to be honest; both have their good points and bad points...but with a human loader, you have another person to help with maintenance of the tank. That in itself is worth it ;-)
DIVeltro 2 years ago
Yeah id agree with you on that they arent really comparable and each has its pros and cons. Well if you pick an extra person id pick the 15 tons off and reduction in size lol.
3 guys for a much smaller tank to take care of :)))
Buuub08 2 years ago
even a smaller tank is very maintenance intensive though...then add in the AL into the mix...I think you would have a similar amount of maintenance as one with a human loader. Just a guess, but with another person maintenance is not so intensive.
DIVeltro 2 years ago
i believe autoloader speeds depend on the position of the round selected in the carousel and vary somewhat. that said i am surprised they haven't spread as wide.
bartlebybartleby 2 years ago
Yes, that also might be the case.
Well they are a relatively new feature introduced to the west only in the late 70s. The Russian a-loder concept is somewhat flawed having limitations. Although recently many countries are developing them: Russia, China, Japan, France, US Stryker and M8-AGS as well as the FCS. In the future a human loader will be gone for good in every design.
Buuub08 2 years ago
this tank looks like a piece of shit from the inside. But the gun....killer gun
ImperialUprising 2 years ago
Учебка? Чечня?
alexstrazan 2 years ago
autoloader looks like in T-64
dajsinjo 2 years ago
damn T-72's and T-90's are small as hell like short it makes them hard to shoot but shity for the ppl inside i like the M1A1 Abrams and the M1A1 Tusk more but thats my opinouin
Deadsmile100 2 years ago
WeReLex, можеш фильм "4 танкиста и собака" посмотреть. Когда они в атаку идут и танк со стороны показывают. Там кокраз люк открыт.
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
This is totally rocking. Bore evacuator or positive pressure fail?
mouse454 2 years ago
best
ReDDDgo 2 years ago 2
indeed, also that autoloader is somehow cool but scary
Pinguing1 2 years ago
a lot of smoke inside, this id not very god
guzzi04 2 years ago
Этот танк явно не новый. А примерно 80-90 годов выпуска. Естественно на нём нет таких систем что бы дыма небыло внутри танка.Но нашим танкистам это не особо мешает) Главное люк открыть и всё)
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
I'm from Romania i dont understand russian language.sorry. our tanks are based on russian t 55 and T 72 and our older version of tr 580 , tr 125 and tr 85 are having the same problem
guzzi04 2 years ago
Use translator) Строятся они на одной базе - а именно сам ВИД, общая внешность основной части танка. Но первые впечатления обманчивы. Броня другая, системы другие, технолгоии производства и всё остальное новое.
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
Фигню какую-то морозишь... еще на 34-х были вентиляторыв башне. В т-34-85 их хорошо видно - на башне такие выпуклые круглые фиговины + еще продувка ствола...
WeReLex 2 years ago
Ты это мне?
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
Да.)
WeReLex 2 years ago
Какраз таки ты фигню несёш.После выстрела почти весь дым и гарь идёт в танк,никакой вентелятор не поможет и никакой продувки ствола там небыло.Спроси у ветеранов что они делали во время боя - а они открывали 1 из люков и чем-нибудь его привязывали, что бы до конца не открылся.
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
Люк открывают чтоб компесировать эфект кумы когда ударит. Про вентиляцию это гон.
yegorshulyk 2 years ago
@KiLLeR12007SerJo Посмотрите эпизоды о Т-34 и о танкисте воевавшем на Т-34 и на Шермане из серии "Военное дело".
Командирский люк не закрывали до конца, потому что он был очень тяжелый. В случае ранения или если просто человек не дюжей силы фиг откроешь его.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
@KiLLeR12007SerJo Поэтому привязывали брючным ремнем и одной рукой придерживали.
А люк механика водителя опять же держали открытым даже когда в атаку шли, потому что на первых версиях Т-34 имел очень узкие щели как для водителя так и для коммандира.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
soplyaki."..cel ne viju.."da i ventilyatori nerabotayuyt vidno.I tesno to kak...Navernoe tak gadko vse sdelano 4to bi ekipaju vse ravno bilo ostanetsya li on v jivih ili net
fener4e 2 years ago
Россия так же как и СССР делает машины для ВОЙНЫ!!! А не для модных показов и понтов. Танк должен иметь достаточную броню, огневую мощ и скорость. Наши танки всем этим требованиям отвечают.А те кто привык к комфорту, войну сразу проебут.
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
Da no na"ВОЙНE!!!" su6testvuet takoe polojenie,4to tot kto vedet boy ne doljen otvlekatsya ot vedeniya boya ni na 4to. Dokazano uje ne raz,4to imenno povi6enniy komfort sposobstvuet efectivnosti deystviy ekipajey boevih ma6in.Ya ne tak uj i 6irok v ple4ah,no mne h... razvernutsya v 72ke.Mne tam sidet ne ho4etsya ne to 4to voevat
fener4e 2 years ago
A i poka va6i tanki goryat 4a6e 4em inozemnie.I vse eto mi videli.Esli pro Irak tverdite 4to amerikanskiy blef,to 72ek bilo neuznat posle popadaniy i v 4e4ne i v Osetii
fener4e 2 years ago
Сам что ли придумал?)
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
da net.Sdes je na youtube est dokumentalnie kadri iz etih gorya4ih to4ek
Poi6ti-uvidi6 sam.
fener4e 2 years ago
Какие нафиг кадры из горячих точек. Ты привези абрамс в Чечню зимой, пусть пройдёт от нашей границы до Грозного.Потом несколько месяцев на этом абрамсе каждый день воевать. Стрелять, ездить по 200-400 км в день по говну, полям и лесам. И посмотрим мы как на нём хорошо воевать)
KiLLeR12007SerJo 2 years ago
Abramsi regulyarno obkativayut zimoy v Alyaske pri -30C.Oni je voevali 4asto pri etom v nelu46em meste i neploho.
A ya ne sli6al 4tobi rusak kogda nebud s uvajeniem i opaskoy otzivalsya bi o veroyatnom protivnike.Va6i na4inayut imet respekt tolko kogda im etot protivnik ki6ki naruju vipustit.Tupo na svoih o6ibkah u4itsya,a va6i vidat i na svoih ne u4atsya
fener4e 2 years ago
верно говоришь. Еще Суворов говорил, что блага и удобства скрепощают боевой дух, уменьщают степерь героизма. Что-то типа того.
SaIIIa1 2 years ago
if they get used to that piece of shit, driving a easy safe powerfull modern tank shall be with greater ease!, its like spartans fought bulls wolves & other monster to get ready to face (often weaker) human oponents, so yes russian traing is better than cheap americans who use a video game for training of real tanks, its like katanas, dont train with stick. if you will fight with a steel sword!▐▐▐▐
Czaendermajer 2 years ago 4
You're full of shit. Americans training with "video games" completely obliterated the third largest tank force in the world (during Desert Storm).
MosinDisciple 2 years ago
because you had a airforce & weapons like the gau 8 cannon, which destroyed your eney. but if it where not for your airforce (that is what the american eagle represents) you would have lost every war in history, and you cant shit me cause i see every video about killing terrorist ends with airstrikes or any other bombardment (which or course the bullets travel throught the air!) ^__^▐▐▐
Czaendermajer 2 years ago
So 2000+ Abrams tanks just sat in the desert while the airforce killed every iraqi tank? You are so full of shit and you know it.
In any case, going back to your (incorrect) original point: Americans don't just train in simulators. They have regular tank exercises just like the one the Russians are doing here. Except we train with actual functional tanks, not outdated crap from the sixties.
MosinDisciple 2 years ago
5,000,000 stars!...thankyou! this is a very interesting video...quite the action filming considering every thing that the crew are doing at the same time! superb! (former company commander of #14 tanks m-60a3tts 84th division usar milwaukee wisconsin usa)
rocketshipstud2 2 years ago 3
is it a t-55
bangziad 2 years ago
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alongthebluff 2 years ago
It must be a T-64 or T-72
The T-55 didn't have autoloader, and you will see 3 men in this video if that is a T-55
alongthebluff 2 years ago
Christ that's a lot of smoke! Is it always like that, or has this tank not got a working smoke extractor on the gun?
bigwhiteyeti 2 years ago
Removal of gases was already on Т-55. And in this case it is really strange, from where so it is a lot of smoke?!
NAZIONALPATRIOT 2 years ago
its a russian extractor, so it broke.
emperorgrant 2 years ago
called borevacuator ( doubt it, russians use their troops like their cheap pieces of equipment , no care for saftey. And yes i am an American and proud of it, ex army tanker I have driven loaded and gunned. )
Ibreakthings51 2 years ago
Орлы!!!
NAZIONALPATRIOT 2 years ago
Und der Rauchabsauger ist auch im Arsch!
Zerotonic 2 years ago
Es mag ja ein alter Ausbildungspanzer sein. Trotzdem würde in keiner westlichen Armee eine solche Rostlaube rumfahren.
Zerotonic 2 years ago
WTF thats lot of smoke inside
mate1k0 2 years ago
Russian "boy soldiers" to take pleasure when killing our enemis!
"Пожарные работают с огоньком!"
Megallion1 2 years ago
They look like a couple of kids in that thing! Russia and her 'boy soldiers'.
Redcoat66 2 years ago
Awesome video. Looks like the guys were having fun...and I would too if I were there. Reminds me of shooting Table VIII in my M1A1, back in the day....
castercamber 2 years ago
It was thrilling, all right. Nothing like the whines and grinds and roar of a good old diesel.
And the stabilization system with the bobbing breech certainly adds thrills, too
Then there's that infamous "Fargo" woodchipper of an autoloader.
pinz2022 2 years ago
Hey got some questions:
Isn't still that smokey even have the ventilate fan turn on?
How will you order the driver to go where you want to go? By a reference point?
Thx!
alongthebluff 2 years ago
"How will you order the driver to go where you want to go?" - by radio.
"Isn't still that smokey even have the ventilate fan turn on?" - it is old tank for training.
Megallion1 2 years ago
Tank is airproof and higher (not much, but enough) air pressure inside. But tank is old (compressor may not work), hatch opened (so no airproof).
clouster75 2 years ago
Is it still true that you can't be more than 5'6" to be a Russkie tanker?
pinz2022 2 years ago
So we're agreed it was a forty-five-year-old T-64B.
Definitely thrilling, what with the diesel roar, smoke and the old-fashioned helmets, you'd think you were in a WWII movie.
pinz2022 2 years ago
What tank is this?
LoyalRebelion 2 years ago
Super footage Thank you Czolgisci
mirtioo 2 years ago
no problem)
sss113 2 years ago
Well changing of subject. Some guys who speak russian here, can you tell me how the tanker helmet ts called in russian? I had tried to find to not veil its kinda hard to look.
Yustax 3 years ago
Шлемофон [shlemofon]
sss113 2 years ago
Thx man, glad you could help.
Yustax 2 years ago
What tank are they riding in?
Imnothecrazyone 3 years ago
T-64
Megallion1 2 years ago
Did you shoot this video? If you did it must have been like hell on tracks. All that smoke, the cramped space, the autoloader, the breech flying past you at a hundred miles an hour. At about 2:25 in the movie I'd be yelling in fright and screaming to be let out. May be because I'm claustrophobic dunno.
Imnothecrazyone 2 years ago
Makes you wonder what would happen if your hand got stuck into the auto-loader? Instant meat grinder. No wonder why most tank crews prefer the old manual loading.
Yustax 3 years ago
they should make a closed auto reloader
platon576 3 years ago
Why would it get stuck?
SovietMan83 3 years ago
Havent you heard of the accidents in the autoloader of the T72? There's a myth as to say, that the gunner lost most of his hand because the autoloader grabbed his sleeve. Think that sometimes it broke down and the crew have to fix it manually. I think that manual loading its safer and perhaps more quickly if is a good trained crew. Like Leopard 2 loader, very nice rate of fire with a trained loader.
Yustax 3 years ago
There are no known incidents involving autoloaders that resulted in injury. And getting your sleeve grabbed by autoloader is no small task, it requires dedication and work. So far it seems that "man-eating autoloader" is a myth that originated and is circulating exclusively in western literature.
SovietMan83 3 years ago 2
Yes but I still think that manual loading its safer and faster. The weight will be reduced too...I think that the auto loader adds a ton or two to the weight of the MBT.
Yustax 3 years ago
"The weight will be reduced too...I think that the auto loader adds a ton or two to the weight of the MBT. " - you made my day! )))))
SovietMan83 3 years ago
Why so? Im sorry but havent you see the auto loader system in the back of the tank? The chamber that holds the rounds and pass the rounds to the mechanism that loads it. Besides, auto-loaders on tanks often fail to live up to these promises and even when they do, they are often to the detriment of other factors that determine combat effectiveness in the real world. Which means I still prefer old manual loading, just safer.
Yustax 3 years ago
The autoloadr MAY add an extra ton, but it will reduce total weight of the vehicle by 8 or so tons, usually required to protect that extra crew member (because that extra crew member requires additional space and internal volume, thus increasing vehicle size). That's basically the main reason why the Soviets chose the auto loaders - to save weight and make more compact designs.
P.S. Sorry for responding so late, but when I saw your posts I just felt I had to clarify this. ;-)
vukashin88 2 years ago 2
Tovarich, just watching that murderous autoloader in action makes the "Fargo" woodchipper look innocuous.
I'd say all the Cold War legends were true and that thing is a maneater.
I saw the Military Channel special about the U.S. Army's Abrams tank training school and the M1A1 is a veritable limousine by comparison. As I understand it, U.S. doctrine holds that a human loader is still faster and smarter than any machine.
pinz2022 2 years ago
@pinz2022 Every next generation MBT project features auto-loader. Including US, German, French and of course Russian. No man-loader in 5th gen. MBT.
BitnikGr 1 year ago
That's what I have read, a human loader is still smarter and faster than a machine.
Then there's this little tendency of autoloaders to occasionally turn the gunner into hamburger. I'd rather have to share space with the "Fargo" woodchipper.
pinz2022 2 years ago
smarter and faster than a machine.
people have been using human reladers from 2nd ww.
its is the outdated 30 year old m1 technology without the auto reloaders made the its manufacturers say that (so they can sell their product of course)
why in the world do you think that advanced technology like russia, japan, france, or korea uses it, if its worse than a dude reloading 50 rounds (Gets fucken tired)?
if its was worse then no one would have used it.
psq007 2 years ago