ILUV74 the only battle i know that commoners help identify each other was bannockburn the scots wore the cross of st.andrew on the padded jackets & the english wore st.georges cross.
Here is a question if anybody can help me thanks.Right here i go .Iknow during battle in the middle ages ,any battle , anywhere ,I know that men wore crests or something like that to help i.d themselves.What about the lowly footsoldier with nothing , surly what nowadays we call friendly fire ,men would have maybe been killed by their ownside accidently ,with the large amount of numbers involved it must have happened frequently?
I know that in some battles soldiers had some bandages at the arms, at the sleeves. I guess mostly people did know what guys where around you, and when you saw some unfamiliar guy you tried to kill him. Surely there was more than an accident. It is reported that it happened even in the roman army, in a chaotic (lost) battle against Alarich.
The knights had the heraldic to know each other, and they tried to have a close formation with the foot soldiers. But yes, there surely was a 5% accident.
Mmhmm.. If you were to break your axe, a lot of the energy that would be used to cleave the helm would be transferred into kinetic energy as the pieces of axe fly away. Breaking a weapon is a surefire way to NOT kill your enemy.
That, and your claimed relation to The Bruce would make you a lord right now, highly unlikely that you'd be on Youtube
Even on horseback, you'd have trouble cleaving a helm. You'll notice on a greathelm of this period, the flat top is a major issue, as it allows a striking surface. I'd say that would be the only point at which an axe could possibly cleave the helm. Problem there is, during a mounted fight, it'd be hard, if not impossible, to get a good downward strike, especially if you broke your axe.
Methinks that if Sir Henry died, it will have been from blunt trauma, not from a cleave.
only if you were of his first born son's blood i am not of his first son's blood actualy but i am a direct desendent of his and many others as well. but blood lines could be confuseing and those who have clame to nobility tend to get wiped out rather quickly. but my ancestor never had any of the prime inheritance for roalyty but then again i also have a strong irish peasent rebbel to put down any nobility clames but the blood is still direct.
Even weakly related members of family would have title, lands etc, I'm afraid I just can't believe that you have any relation to a Scottish king, without having some power in Scotland, or at least living in Scotland.
My ancestory used to have lands in Scotland, in fact, there's a village named Gartshore, which happens to be my second name. However, it was lost through gambling. While this has little bearing on our current argument, just thought it'd be a nice little nugget of info ^^
but most of my bloodline is german and irish (a good 74-84%combined) scotch is very little like 12% (if that) so there for the name title and land would not have been passed down. but then again we are all theroeticaly 56th cousins 64 times removed so zippity do da zippity, but i will wadger that the oddest of persons you meat have the oddest of bloodlines. for example i know a kid who is a desendant of vlad the implailer lord from transilvania. people have odd blood lines just food for thought.
Aye, having slept on it, and read both yours and Rileysaplank's comments there, I guess it could be possible. Apologies for the rather uncalled for attack there.
attack?... if you could call it that. i just thought it was miss comunication on my behalf but the past is done...but imageine the power it took to break an axe handle(much less than a battle axe's handle)
Having fought SCA for about 6 months now, and having used LH weapons, I'm surprised enough force could actually be delivered. Of course, the speed of the two knights would amplify this, but hafts of axes are rather strong, especially shorter handled ones (as leverage doesn't apply so much). Must've been one heck of a blow
oh the SCA? is that hard to get into because i have been wanting to get into that for quiet some time now. is it expinsive to start? oh sorry...but yes the two speeds plus the stringth of the blow and the quality of the wood for the haft, are all factors there are many things that go into that little incedent.
Not necessarily, axes worked through weight as much as force, unlike the sword, which depended on the force put into the swing, due to it's light weight. If you ever go to a re-enactment, or if you're a re-enactor, you'll notice that they hit with the apex of the sword, where the most power is in the blade.
I'm a re-enactor myself, and have found that axe hafts break commonly, as the leverage gained from the length of the haft can become too much for it. This is more common on two handed axes.
If you read the original account, The Bruce was on a small un-armoured palfrey (Similar in speed and agility to a modern quarter horse ) he swerved inside the arc of the lance, stood up in the stirrups and delivered a full strength two handed axe blow to the top of the knight's helmet.
The current belief by historians is that the Axe did split, the blade was wedged into the English Nobles skull while the bottom half of the shaft was still held by The Bruce. Also do you realise how many direct descendants The Bruce could have? It's been roughly 650 years since The Bruce died and each familial generation is roughly 30 years, so that's roughly 21 generations of The Bruce family since he died. Average 2 children per generation to the power of 21 = 2097152 direct descendants.
wow. thanks. i knew the axe thing was alot and my blood line thing...but i never knew it was that many people minimum (some famlies would have more than 2 children due to children="free" labor, and increase in income for the family) thankyou for the indepth information.
I should really look into my own family history as my Mother's maiden name is Rattery and I know that Sylvester Rattery was either the Great or the Great Great Grandson of Robert the Bruce, I just don't how directly related to Sylvester Rattery I am.
Holy shiT! lmao, yeah i think the guy under that helmet is dead. xD...friggin crazy ass loades, he DOES look like hes willing to kill someone for the show
Ha! That didn't take long... only been up for half an hour. I worked on the show and am planning on uploading a little more - watch this space. Glad you liked it.
@mrcifko his head was cut down the middle. Robert the Bruce hit him so hard, it's claimed his axe shaft snapped
aidanMTR 2 months ago
did he die :D
MrCifko 10 months ago
de bohun had a shield dint he?
Apollo1ify 1 year ago
@Apollo1ify The shield was on the other side of his body.
deathsheep 1 year ago
I hope that he bought that poor bloke a beer afterwards, he clobbered him pretty good?!
anzac2404 2 years ago 5
ILUV74 the only battle i know that commoners help identify each other was bannockburn the scots wore the cross of st.andrew on the padded jackets & the english wore st.georges cross.
susandundee 2 years ago
Here is a question if anybody can help me thanks.Right here i go .Iknow during battle in the middle ages ,any battle , anywhere ,I know that men wore crests or something like that to help i.d themselves.What about the lowly footsoldier with nothing , surly what nowadays we call friendly fire ,men would have maybe been killed by their ownside accidently ,with the large amount of numbers involved it must have happened frequently?
ILUV74 2 years ago
I know that in some battles soldiers had some bandages at the arms, at the sleeves. I guess mostly people did know what guys where around you, and when you saw some unfamiliar guy you tried to kill him. Surely there was more than an accident. It is reported that it happened even in the roman army, in a chaotic (lost) battle against Alarich.
The knights had the heraldic to know each other, and they tried to have a close formation with the foot soldiers. But yes, there surely was a 5% accident.
wimpow 2 years ago
Ouch.
FrisianDude 2 years ago 3
check out my videos on youtube (Viking vs. samurai : Thrand's aftermath part 1, 2 and 3 and also fighting bonus video)
ThegnThrand 2 years ago
yup my ancestor Robert the Bruce broke his battle axe on that knight's helm killing him.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Mmhmm.. If you were to break your axe, a lot of the energy that would be used to cleave the helm would be transferred into kinetic energy as the pieces of axe fly away. Breaking a weapon is a surefire way to NOT kill your enemy.
That, and your claimed relation to The Bruce would make you a lord right now, highly unlikely that you'd be on Youtube
Alex231291 2 years ago
i will tend to agree. but apparently it was during a dule on horse back. but personaly i would not want to break my axe.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Even on horseback, you'd have trouble cleaving a helm. You'll notice on a greathelm of this period, the flat top is a major issue, as it allows a striking surface. I'd say that would be the only point at which an axe could possibly cleave the helm. Problem there is, during a mounted fight, it'd be hard, if not impossible, to get a good downward strike, especially if you broke your axe.
Methinks that if Sir Henry died, it will have been from blunt trauma, not from a cleave.
Alex231291 2 years ago
only if you were of his first born son's blood i am not of his first son's blood actualy but i am a direct desendent of his and many others as well. but blood lines could be confuseing and those who have clame to nobility tend to get wiped out rather quickly. but my ancestor never had any of the prime inheritance for roalyty but then again i also have a strong irish peasent rebbel to put down any nobility clames but the blood is still direct.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Even weakly related members of family would have title, lands etc, I'm afraid I just can't believe that you have any relation to a Scottish king, without having some power in Scotland, or at least living in Scotland.
My ancestory used to have lands in Scotland, in fact, there's a village named Gartshore, which happens to be my second name. However, it was lost through gambling. While this has little bearing on our current argument, just thought it'd be a nice little nugget of info ^^
Alex231291 2 years ago
but most of my bloodline is german and irish (a good 74-84%combined) scotch is very little like 12% (if that) so there for the name title and land would not have been passed down. but then again we are all theroeticaly 56th cousins 64 times removed so zippity do da zippity, but i will wadger that the oddest of persons you meat have the oddest of bloodlines. for example i know a kid who is a desendant of vlad the implailer lord from transilvania. people have odd blood lines just food for thought.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Aye, having slept on it, and read both yours and Rileysaplank's comments there, I guess it could be possible. Apologies for the rather uncalled for attack there.
Alex231291 2 years ago
attack?... if you could call it that. i just thought it was miss comunication on my behalf but the past is done...but imageine the power it took to break an axe handle(much less than a battle axe's handle)
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Having fought SCA for about 6 months now, and having used LH weapons, I'm surprised enough force could actually be delivered. Of course, the speed of the two knights would amplify this, but hafts of axes are rather strong, especially shorter handled ones (as leverage doesn't apply so much). Must've been one heck of a blow
Alex231291 2 years ago
oh the SCA? is that hard to get into because i have been wanting to get into that for quiet some time now. is it expinsive to start? oh sorry...but yes the two speeds plus the stringth of the blow and the quality of the wood for the haft, are all factors there are many things that go into that little incedent.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Will PM you with some details of the SCA, stand by.
Alex231291 2 years ago
Wouldn't his wrist be just as likely to snap if that was the case. o.0
Shortpaulio 2 years ago
Not necessarily, axes worked through weight as much as force, unlike the sword, which depended on the force put into the swing, due to it's light weight. If you ever go to a re-enactment, or if you're a re-enactor, you'll notice that they hit with the apex of the sword, where the most power is in the blade.
I'm a re-enactor myself, and have found that axe hafts break commonly, as the leverage gained from the length of the haft can become too much for it. This is more common on two handed axes.
Alex231291 2 years ago
If you read the original account, The Bruce was on a small un-armoured palfrey (Similar in speed and agility to a modern quarter horse ) he swerved inside the arc of the lance, stood up in the stirrups and delivered a full strength two handed axe blow to the top of the knight's helmet.
Athrastrateringa 2 years ago
The current belief by historians is that the Axe did split, the blade was wedged into the English Nobles skull while the bottom half of the shaft was still held by The Bruce. Also do you realise how many direct descendants The Bruce could have? It's been roughly 650 years since The Bruce died and each familial generation is roughly 30 years, so that's roughly 21 generations of The Bruce family since he died. Average 2 children per generation to the power of 21 = 2097152 direct descendants.
rileysaplank 2 years ago
wow. thanks. i knew the axe thing was alot and my blood line thing...but i never knew it was that many people minimum (some famlies would have more than 2 children due to children="free" labor, and increase in income for the family) thankyou for the indepth information.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
I should really look into my own family history as my Mother's maiden name is Rattery and I know that Sylvester Rattery was either the Great or the Great Great Grandson of Robert the Bruce, I just don't how directly related to Sylvester Rattery I am.
rileysaplank 2 years ago
look into it. who knows you might be a direct desendent of charlemaign.
drstrangeman 2 years ago
Holy shiT! lmao, yeah i think the guy under that helmet is dead. xD...friggin crazy ass loades, he DOES look like hes willing to kill someone for the show
J0N0614 2 years ago
Is that guy with the helmet okay after that?
good vid:)
fairhit 2 years ago
This makes me want to play Mount&Blade.
CountArtha 3 years ago 2
More Mike Loades please, he may be a total nutter , but he rocks ! !
FrankSwindon 3 years ago 2
The english knights were so badass they wore hoodies into battle. Now THAT'S hardcore.
gregvs3 3 years ago 2
i recon a decent polo player would own this guy he rides like a sack of shit
Back in the day i guess they rode every were so there horseman ship would be on point
20an0 3 years ago
That was a legendary strike to the dome!
IIZ00LII 3 years ago 3
Only Robert the Bruce was that hardcore, and only Mike Loades is hardcore enough to reenact it
Tareltonlives 3 years ago 18
Loades looks like hes willing to kill someone in this series.
socarulz 3 years ago 9
i remember seeing that on the tv for the first time and just melting into my chair, Mike Loades is HOT.
u2trish 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
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andrew881thebest 3 years ago
Oh My! (blushing) :)
u2trish 3 years ago
loooooool ;)
andrew881thebest 3 years ago
Mike is a KING. Love his energetic style.
erroneousapostrophe 3 years ago 3
if there is one guy i'd follow into battle, it's mike loades. the man sure knows his stuff.
great vid
sozzers 3 years ago 3
Someone totally needs to upload the whole series. =)
HotForgeNClover 3 years ago 13
U should upload the whole series
loginloginlog 4 years ago 7
great, look forward 2 it!!
doug12341988 4 years ago
Ha! That didn't take long... only been up for half an hour. I worked on the show and am planning on uploading a little more - watch this space. Glad you liked it.
KingofClapham 4 years ago
@KingofClapham This is awesome. I wish they did more of it.
deathsheep 1 year ago
i loved this series! thanks bud
doug12341988 4 years ago