I mean just to eat and stay warm in Moscow. Because they would have no options. They had no food and they could not turn back. That Russian pussy would have looked damn good and eating a bowl of soup with summer sausage and cheese wouldn't be bad either. With some shots of vodka. I would wager some did make it.
Hitler did not try to end the war sooner because the "allies" left Germany no honorable out by insisting on unconditional surrender and Hitler convinced himself that Fate would
work in his favor in the long run, as it did with Fredrick the Great.
Who knows how many the USA had killed. The USA is responsible for every war the last 200 years. The super powers can stop all wars. If Russia and the USA didn't want war there would be none. If the bankers didn't want war there would be no wars. The Russians aren't so fond of war. The USA has been involved in hundreds of conflicts the last century.
One million Slavs fought with the Germans, but those Slavs should have gotten 5 million. Affter all if the war was lost they would have to go back to being murdered for 50 more years.
The Internet while it might not be the truth it is the only place to get the truth. The tv never tells the truth unless it doesn't harm what the government wants you to know. The history channel will never tell you we totally leveled all German cities. They will never tell you that Pearl Harbor was provoked and we knew the Japanese were going to attack. But let them do it because Americans didn't want war. If citizens don't want war all they got to do is let the Mossad do 9/11 and people say war
Hitler should of won that war, how the hell did he lose?? Note; I'm not pro Hitler, just looking at it from a purely neutral historical perpective. The opening months of operation baberossa the Germans captured and killed 3 million soviets troops. Destroyed huge amounts of Soviet aircraft and tanks.
@london2resistance The Germans messed up. They ran into the worst winter. The Germans ran their supply lines so thin. IF they instead of going into RUssia they just stayed in Ukraine and Poland and let the Russians come to them they could have hammered them and then broke through with a large army and hit Moscow. But Germany had to fight two fronts. THey didn't have the manpower.
Not true; it was a pure numerical play by the Nazis; they had superior tactics/trained soldiers, but USSR outproduced them on medium quality medium tanks like the T-34...once the tank manufacturing complex at Chelyabinsk was complete and running in 1941, it was only a matter of time before germany was going to get its face rolled over with Russian armored collumns as far as the eye could see.
That is actually what I was trying to convey...if they actually managed to get INTO Moscow, they would end up exactly like Paulus in Stalingrad. Namely surrounded, out of ammunition and out of luck.
What a hell is going on here? Why youtube show's nazi propaganda? WTF? R u fucking dumb? Nazi lose WW2 and they will fucked, so forget about this lossers!
@shvak73 Good point. Though an independent position is usually a good one. Either way, I'm for anyone who fights against communism. Having Hitler rule eastern europe would've been better than Stalin. Hitler was less competent, was deathly ill by 1945, and was weak inherently. The "nazi empire" wouldn't have lasted 40 years.
Besides, Germans make better porn, and that's what really matters.
Ummm....germans also would have gassed the entire eastern non-aryan population in 10 years if not faced with war; they managed 8 million people when in war and strapped for resources. So 50 million if not at war would have been achievable for them if they won; some critical thinking on your part is required.
@52111centrumcz You're confusing an argument over the weakness of a governmental system with an argument of military capacity. Stalin was more competent than Hitler, and Hitler was, to all extents and purposes, the Nazi party. The Soviets had a history of the party and a more solidified infrastructure in government.
@52111centrumcz You're confusing an argument over the weakness of a governmental system with an argument of military capacity. Stalin was more competent than Hitler, and Hitler was, to all extents and purposes, the Nazi party. The Soviets had a history of the party and a more solidified infrastructure in government.
@52111centrumcz I think you should do the critical thinking. Why you would still believe the gas chamber lie says something about your intelligence - but - I do agree with you, however, about the 50 million deaths of eastern non aryans except it wasn't the Germans who would have killed them - it was Stalin and his clan of NKVD murderers who actually did the job.....Uncle Joe to the British and the Americans.
Unless you noticed Stalin got the absolute majority of Eastern Europe and it took Russians nearly 50 years to kill as many people as Germans did in 6 years of occupation.
@52111centrumcz Not really. Stalin killed millions in the Ukraine during the 1930s alone and decimated the ranks of the Army's officer corps at the same time.
Stalin killed roughly 7 million people. Out of those, many were during the war or after the war those that deserted, joined the enemy or were taken prisoner. If you take states outside of the SU, then it is even more skewed that it took Russians much more time to kill as many as Hitler did.
@shvak73 Inbred rednecks and Room temp IQ Reagen era throwbacks. I myself have no set political position. To identify yourself as a Communist or Facist or Socialist means you have picked your side on every issue, regardless if you know what the issue is or not.
@thenoobfactor Excellent point. I think this si a primary shortcoming of politics today. Pick your team, all your issues are decided. Why should a person's views on the climate, gay rights, the death penalty, corporate regulation, imigration, taxation, etc, etc. be tied together?
@shvak73 hitler was the one that started the wars on multiple fronts he started them to early and had his forces to thin going against to many targets thats why i think he is an idiot he started a war his country wasnt fit for but one of the worst things to happen in my opinion was pearl harbor do to its inefectiveness to destroy enough to cripple america but instead had the effect of getting america into the war for a reason
The U.S don`t wan´t to show any german propaganda from the second world war, but they gladly show american soldiers with captured Naziflags or prisoners.
All governments want to control their people....I am from USA....love the country, love my fellow countrymen, even the illegals...do not trust the governments.....People of the World Unite....
@jferr49 were Germans in any way better? For hiding 1 Jew (YES, JUST ONE) whole Polish village (usually something round 100 persons) was exterminated. Including women and children. For 1 german officer killed by the resistance, they killed 100 Poles, while death of 1 private was 'worth' lives of 10 Poles. The only difference between those was that Germans were exterminating people with typical German machine like order - while Russians with typical for them bloodlust.
i always wonder why you dont see videos like this on tv. history chanel uses the same fim footage over and over and over - yet you never see these clips.....
@MetalDetroit History chanel uses the US and UK propaganda videos starting from WW1, WW2 ,Korea,Vietnam even Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that Americans and British people are brainwashed. No hard filings but they are not showing the whole picture ( History chanel )
@radioaktivnogovno >implying Russians, Serbians etc are any more free thinking. Just look at RussiaToday, its like the bastard child of Fox news and Pravda.
@radioaktivnogovno would the germans show footage of american troops? idiot... you are watching an american channel, just like you are ON AND AMERICAN WEBSITE AND INTERNET... dont like ... dont watch American
@MetalDetroit They used to but its been dumbed down lately. See the "world at war" docu series. has interviews of soldiers from all sides also. Highly recomended.
@MetalDetroit The same reason they don't show you German cities totally destroyed. Why in history class they didn't tell us the holocaust is a hoax. On tv which is owned by the Jews does not show you the truth. They only want you brainwashed into thinking the Germans were bad and the Commies so sweet. Germany was totally right and the Allies totally wrong. The USA and Britain should have been put on trila for war crimes for firebombing German cities. The same for dropping the nukes on Japan.
The Russians were copy cats. 7.62x25 was taken from the 7.63x25 German round. The AK-47 looked almost exactly like the STG-44 in appearance. TT-33 was pretty much the same in operation to a 1911. Did they ever come up with anything on their own?
@taberr5 LOL. The 30 Mauser & 30 Tokarev was designed from the Borchardt cartridge. A civilian design. By a German national who has been living in the United States for over 30 years. The AK-47 and the STG-44 have very little in common...other than the outside appearance as you noted. The design concepts share very little in common. The main difference is in the gas operation of either weapon. As far as the 1911, there was nothing new in this design. It certainly was NOT creative.
@stockingcpl Negative chief. Hugo Borchardt designed the round in association with a company in Berlin as the 7.65x25. Yes he moved to America, but the company was based in Germany. Then evolved into the 7.63x25. The 7.62x25 was a rip off the German round so that Soviet guns could fire both rounds if I remember correctly. Mikhail Kalashnikov saw the stg44 in combat but did not have one to copy. So he did used a different design, however the idea was not his. He copied the German design.
@taberr5 Borchard moved to the States in 1860. He designed the bottlenecked pistol round (design taken from the 44/40) in 1893 on contract from a German company. The Kalashnikov sustem is not even vaguely like the STG-44. Roller lock-up as opposed to a delayed lockup. The STG-44 system was taken from the MG-34/43 system. They are identical.
@stockingcpl I don't understand your comment on Hugo, he was German either way you look at it. The Stg 44 is a gas-operated weapon where the MG-34/42 were short recoil operated. Therefore they are extremely different. The AK-47 and the Stg 44 were different, but they had more in common then they did differences. For instance, a shortened version of a full size round is used. So yes, I would say they are vaguely similar.
For those who think Germany was "weak", it captured most of Europe and and North Africa, there army was the most elite in the world. And all this after they was was declared on them. The Russia only "won" because of Factory production in the U.S. So please go look at both sides of the paper before you speak.
@88dragons88 Germany was very weak..no oil, not enough metals...and of course they lost! Russia won because they are much stronger than Germanys little army....How much help from the USA was Russia allowed to take, so that Germany could have won the war? What kind of weather do the germans need to win a war against Russia?
@nurmiar Please mate, don't forget that "History is written by the victors". They fought U.S.S.R for 3 years not one season. You are poor tactitian and can't see what really happened.
@88dragons88 I am not a bad tactician, the germans was. I mean, war with the USA and Russia at the same time! Thats very poor tactics, especially when Germany dont have oil, metals and man force to win such war....
Imagine there's a guy you met one day and you fought with, at first it was hand to hand but everyday you fight he gets a better weapon. He gets rocks, bigger rocks, then big sticks, and then metal bats and so on. Then one day you find the man who is arming him, working his ass off to give the guy your fighting better odds of winning. In this case that person is U.S.A.. And this makes the Cold War as ironical as it ALREADY was. :)
@nurmiar Russia would have lost the war without the tanks, planes, radios, trucks, food, and other materials the UK/USA sent the USSR. And Germany had to divide their armies to meet the USA/UK threat so Russia never faced the entire German army. Russia was NOT that much stronger than Germany. In fact they were weaker than Germany. In a one-on-one fight. Nazi Germany wins...
@nlpjohn Its not Russias fault hat Germany had to divide their army...80% of Germanys army was in Russia..their greatest losts was in Russia..the biggest battles was in Russia...
How much help was Russia allowed to get from the USA, so Germany could have won the war?
How big army should Russia have so Germany could win ? What weather?
If you say like that, then I could say that Denmark had won the war, IF they had got a army big as Germany..you just speculate...I dont speculate, I give facts!
@nurmiar I was addressing the claim (speculation) that the Soviet army was superior to the German army. I addressed that point and gave my reasons why that was not an accurate statement. Your other comments are not relevant to my point. If you want to address the original point then go ahead. Otherwise there is not much for you and I to discuss.
@nlpjohn You forget that not Russia either had its whole army against Germany until dec. 1941, when the russian spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge got information about Japans plans and could move divisions from Siberia to the Moscow front. And Russia did not get big help from USA until 1942, then the russians had already stoped the germans at Moscow and they also had started a counter offensive that almost crushed the german arme gruppe mitte.Nov. 1941 the Leibstandarte had to retreat from Rostov
@nlpjohn And I would not say that the german weapons was better than the russian..The T34 was outstanding until 1943. The german soldiers used (with pleasure) russian weapons, because they functioned during cold weather for instance...
@nurmiar You make good points. However in terms of who could win a heads-up fight, the USSR was able to bring their reserves in from the East in late 1941. The Germans could not do the same as their men were tied down in Africa and France. Also the USSR avoided the full German war production machine since much material was diverted to the Navy. Also the German Luftwaffe was cleaning the Russians clock until some of the Luftwaffe were diverted to Africa. This gave the Soviet AF life...
@nlpjohn I believe that the germans underestimated the russians... the russian war industry capacity...oil etc.
The germans was very surprised of the russians weapon quality...German generals about the T 34: "the worlds finest tank", "we had nothing against it"..."If the russians can massproduce this tank, then we have lost the war"
Bismarck during the 1800 century: "dont start wars with Russia", Hitler should have remembered ! Germanys war had ended happier with Russia as german allied...
@nlpjohn One big reason for Germany to underestimate Russia was the Finnish Winter War....but they should have remembered that the troops who attacked Finland was badly trained and did not have the best russian weapons...Not either the best russian generals was involved in Finland...My father was in the war in the finnish army when Germany attacked Russia 41-44..the finnish officers also underestimated Russia...he said
@nlpjohn Hitler should also have remembered Napoleon...Napoleon had the worlds biggest army against Russia....almost the whole french army died in Russia...and Russia did not get any help from no one then.
In fact Russia and Preussen was allied after this and crushed Napoleon ....things have always gone good for both Russia and Germany , when they have been allied....
@nurmiar Well Russia and Germany in WW2 were different. One was Facist, which is on the far right of the political spectrum while russia was communist, which was far left. There was no way German would have attacked Russia if they had just the slightest chance of negotiating. But the fact that they are such enemy politically makes the clash of the 2 great nations inevitable
@usernameufo123 Yes, a little different, this was sad for Germany in the end. Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany, oil, metals and so on...It had been extremly difficult for the western allies to win Germany
@nurmiar Do you mean Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany during the period of 1930-1940? Because Zhukov the russian general even admitted, even if Germany wasn't going to attack Soviet Union, they were planning an attack on Germany within few years. That is why Soviet Union could not defend Germany at all in the start of their war, they have trained their soldiers mainly offensive doctrines (you can search it up) and their soldiers didn't even learn how to perform basic defence.
@usernameufo123 Zhukov meant that Russia needed a few more years to strengthen their defense...Germanys army was also trained for just attacks...That was obvious when the russians started their first big offensive dec. 1941...It was a total catastroph for Germany and armegruppe mitte was almost crushed, just Hitlers order to stay at their places stoped a total disaster!
@nurmiar LOL dude it wasn't because Germans do not know how to defend that they suffered a lot during the winter, its the weather and lack of proper clothing. It was one of Russia's worst winter in decades that year! Oil and roads froze so the attacks were delayed so war of attrition began.
As well, Russia DID sign deals when Nazi Germany to train their army, but that was BEFORE Germans reoccupied Rhineland. German signed the deal because they were not allowed to exceed # of soliders b4 1938
@usernameufo123 The german army did not train defense war...only attack war. Already in nov. 1941 the russians forced Leibstandarte to redraw from Rostov...this was the first time during WW2 that the germans was forced to redraw...Did not the russians have the same problems with oil and frozen roads? I know that the russian weapons was better than the german during the winter..their tanks started, the german did not start always, same with the soldiers weapons
@nurmiar Well honestly the German weapons were much better, thats why they fight so many russian soldiers with their amount. The tank does start, except they have to heat up the engine several hours before a battle, so they burn even more oil that they needed. Russians have problems with frozen roads....but its their home territory! They were much better off..
Also...no disrespect, but i think you need to search more about the history behind, no way russia would sell everything to germany.
@usernameufo123 Honestly the germans copied the russian T34..but now a days Russia crushes Germany in 5 seconds with a few 50 megaton nuclear bombs...So, lets hope that Germany dont attack Russia again!
Russia crushes Germany very fast in a war now a days
@nurmiar Actually I believe the Germans have secretly developed a defense to nuclear weapons, it is one of their new wunder weapons. The Germans continued to have their eye on Russia for "living room" and possible convert many places to farm land where the Russian occupants will work hard long days.
@nurmiar HHAHAHAHA you should be a comedian germans copied t-34. do you know how many COUNTLESS tanks airplanes jets helicopter technology Russians, Americans Canadians etc stole from the Germans? Even nowadays the wwii german technology is found on modern equipment.
@ModellMeister actually the germans copied the t 34 from the russians.... no german tank had sloped armor until they encounbtered the t 34 then germans came out with the panther which had sloped armor just like the t 34
@ModellMeister Yes that WAs a HUGE example though... and we are not talking about other technological advances . We are talking about slopiong armor that Germany copied off the T 34
@ModellMeister You should read history ...the germans copied the T34..german general Guderian= "we had nothing against the T34" The only technology that the germans can is the chrematory tech..they are in fact world leading..I mean , 15000 bodies a day is quite impressing!
@nurmiar the germans DEFINITELY had more technology. one thing. k. they had better guns, they had the ramjet, they had the first JET itself, first rocket, first combat-operational helicopter
they didn't copy it, they made a new one against it... It's not always a copy when some of its functions are the same;) Btw, I think the Kalashnikov looks similar to the Stg44 (or mp44)? shoots quite thesame, simple design and has almost the same bullets
Btw, not only Russia has nuclear weapons. Even The Netherlands have them.. so Germany will absolutely have
and btw, the one who was almost responsible for the development of the nuclear bomb on Japan whas a Jew, a GERMAN Jew...
@elisdewaard1 If the Kalashnikovs parts fits in the Stg44, then its a copy...(I doubt that the parts fits)
Because the german tanks before 1943 had no chance against the russian tanks, the germans was forced to develop the Panther...With sloped armour, wide tracks and a high velocity main gun...as the T34 and KV 1 had...
Hmm... I doubt that what you say is true.. I think it will never be clear, because governments don't want to say anything about it.
Hitler said, ok. But I meant according to nowadays. We would call him a German Jew. And dude, why are you talking about Russia and Germany fighting? Believe me, Russia won't do a thing because:
1: Russia then will never be Russia anymore
2: Russia wont be there anymore because then the world is over....
Russia has nuclear weapons..so it doesnt matter what kind of weapons Germany has...Russia blows Germany to the outer space in 5 seconds...Germanys Leopards, and other shit doesnt help...
@nurmiar the russians got the slope armor from the americans. also you diverted conversation to modern era. whats russia gonna do, vodka- bomb germany?
@nurmiar no.... imagine this: russia had x999 crappy tanks, but but germans had x50 really high quality, high tech tanks. in 2011, i'd take the german, because i can produce more. in 1945, germans just didnt have the resources. theres only one thing to learn: when you dont have the resources, quantity>quality
@usernameufo123 Yes, Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany...and as you maybe know, the Reichswher was allowed by Russia to use russian territorys for training train and testing new planes and so on...
@nurmiar I don't even know how to summarize this but here we go:
Germany and Soviet Union had done each other deals (Ribben.-Molo. Pact) for the benefit of their short term interest. All these short term interest at the end was going to accumulate for their ultimate goal, destroy the other. No fricking way S.U would sell the materials to Germany.
Do you REALLY think that Hitler would attack Soviet Union if they could give him oil, rare material, energy....all these war resources?
@usernameufo123 Germany had generous trade contracts with Russia...they got oil, metals and other things...even the night to 22june a russian train was on its way over the border with gods to Germany!
ALTOUGH Hitler decided to attack Russia! Very very stupid!
After what I have read about this issue, I am sure that Russia would have sold everything that Germany needed...I am sure that Russia had forfilled all contracts very carefully...Hitler did a very big mistake, when he decided to attack Russia.
@elisdewaard1 what? I never said hitler was stupid....I said the Russians couldn't have sold all their resources to German before their war. I think it was the person "Nurmiar" who kept saying Russia was in good relations with Germany and would have sold all of its resources to Germany if they needed it. I was just trying to argue against that.
@nlpjohn So, how much help from the USA was Russia allowed to get , so that Germany could have won the war? You cant change the fact that Russia won..Germany lost1
@nurmiar You have not followed the conversation so your question is a non sequitur. The original debate was whether WW2 Russia was more powerful than WW2 Germany. My position was in a heads up fight, WW2 Russia gets defeated... Russia's survival depended on trucks, radios, food, planes, and even some tanks that the USA sent them. Even the T-34 was largely stolen from American Walter Christie...
right! Germans were most often better trained, especially the SS forces ofcourse. 3 million germans with countless tanks, planes etc would be devastating...
@nurmiar the germans lost the war because hitler was a retard the only thing he was good for was mobilizing germany but his constant restraints on his generals like making them relay orders to him before they did them and his constant restraint on helpful technology like better airpower when they needed them and making it so the stg44 wasnt relesed till the end of the war also the ostheer was a small detachment of the wehrmacht and had a much smaller force compared to the russians
@88dragons88 So why did not Germany complain to rhe USA about their help to Russia? How much help was Russia allowed to get..so that Germany could have won the war? Wich weather should there have been in Russia so that Germany could have won? You just speculate,I dont speculate..because I know who won and who lost the war...
@88dragons88 The US help to Russia was not what made Russia win. Russia won because of 1. Hitler was a megalomaniac dumbfuck that didn't listen to his generals and started war on two fronts and then didn't even give the army winter equipment. 2. The Russians sacrificed themselves to such extent that they're numbers overcame Germanys strong army. The Russians didn't have the same training and experiance. So they used what means they had, and won.
The end result is all that matters and Russia won.
@UltraRebels: not to take away from the "Russia used purely numbers" is true, particularly in the first two years and half years fighting the nazis but most military historians, who now have access to Soviet documents after the end of the cold war, are re-evaluating Soviet military practices and say that, while the Red Army did rely on brute strength also say the Red Army show very sophisticated strategy and tactics in the last two years of the war.
@UltraRebels: In their offensives that cleared the Ukraine and Operation Bagration and the offensives into Prussia, western military historians now state that the Soviet military planners used and showed impressive technical, tactical and strategic planning in pushing the nazis westward out of the Soviet Union. While they did overwhem their Germans with the numbers of troops and weapons, the Red Army nonetheless used these troops and armaments quite intelligently to steamroll the nazis.
@lukebccb I agree. I just didn't feel like writing as long explaining the same that thing I've already explained so many times to other nazis like him. So I summarized it down to what I felt was the key thing, especially during the most important first years.
The russian tanks are good examples of what you wrote. Their excellent "design" combined with their overwhelming numbers stopped the german tanks. The katyushas are another good example I think, especially from a psychological p.o.v.
Hm... I'd rather say that the Russians only won because of their huge number of troops and that the germans had problems with transport etc. I know they used their advantages, but they didnt care about their heavy losses. You can't deny that, they were cruel to their own people! (I must admit that this was the smartest tactic ever)
@elisdewaard1 When there is a question of protecting their homeland from destruction, even the greatest losses have meaning to be. writing through Google translator, I'm sorry if it is not clear
@elisdewaard1 Didnt the germans know how many people lived in Russia? Didnt the germans know how big Russia is? What kind of weather do the germans need to win a war ? The germans lost because they underestimated the russians...
@nurmiar russians have only one front and help from america(supplies,cars,food and weapons),oil, metal and 3x more men that germans have,why you think that there been found thompsons(submachineguns) at Laatoka lake=)=))russians had a advatage to germans,and they have a T 32 panzers same as tiger 1,russian army always based in mass,the power,even americans fear their army after war
@waffenestland How much help from the USA is allowed for the russians to take, so that Germany could have won the war? How big army should the russians have , so that Germany could have won the war?
Wich weather should there have been in Russia , so that the germans could have won the war?
After thinking of this, then the germans must have been very stupid to attack Russia...
Remember hitler's words : "It is the nation hasn't the right to existence. The future belongs to stronger People of the East"
Today germany represents the Turkish brothel deprived by Poles of the primordial earths, the country where at the state level there is a homosexuality propagation at schools
So modern German victims of abortions need to do nothing, as waching old chronicles about their grandfathers with simultaneous masturbation or without it
...the trauma of children whose parents are killed and of parents whose children are killed. it's just too bad. 1 million civilians in vietnam... we see NOTHING on TV sets. all people responsible for these things, and hitler is surely one of them, should be enjailed for life or killed. we must show our children that they must not hurt other people, and most of all we must SHOW them what humanity has done so far. no other animal on earth do so much athrocities to its own species. hope you agree
...take all those movies about the killing of jews in WWII. The pianist, for example. You may "This is propaganda". Well, reality is always WORSE then fiction,as you know. i think people should see on their TV sets what US missiles did to thousands of civilians in shelters of Baghdad in 1991 and 2003. but they should also see even worse things like those you deny - auschwitz, many other concetration camps, the crimes of stalin, warsaw getto, the deliberate assassination of innocents...
i agree with a lot of what you say and sure there is a lot of propaganda. Hitler is presented as a demon, and he was not, he was human. but if a regime kills people because its ethnicity or because of anything else, and deliberately kills civilians, then the regime should be destroyed immediately. it happened hundreds of times in human history, it's happening now in africa. i have two young daughters and i don't accept the horrors of totalitarian regimes.
Back to the subject of this video; The Waffen-SS really kicked ass against Soviet armour, throughout the war, either in the offensive role or in defense!!
The Germans had about 6,000 tanks in 1941, of various types. German tank production was about 3500 in 1941, 5500 in 1942, 13500 in 1943 and 18500 in 1944. The Soviets began 1941 with 25000 tanks, but the vast majority were BT-5s and BT-7s (leading to absurdly high kill ratios for the Germans). Soviet tank production was about 6500 in 1941, 23500 in 1942, 24000 in 1943 and 27000 in 1944, but before 1943 about half of these were light tanks (like the T-60 and T-70).
@tagirov82 It was sheer numbers and ruthless use of those numbers of men that killed the SS. The average Russian soldier was a fucking lump of shit compared to an SS soldier. Fact!!
@4shacks1house At the beginning, the Russian soldier was badly equipped and ineptly led. They held back the Germans with little more than sheer courage. But by 1945, the Red Army soldiers were veterans, with combat-proven gear and hardened, experienced commanders - and a match for anything the Germans had.
Mind, many of the Waffen SS were some of the worst Nazi soldiers. Their best were the assault engineers, paratroopers and mountain troops. SS soldiers were mocked by the Wehrmacht regulars.
@DrCruel Pardon me for interrupting, but the Waffen SS were certainly NOT some of the worst Nazi soldiers. Militarily they were often outnumbered (as in all 3 of the battles in Kharkov) and still come out on top. When the Wehrmacht retreated, the SS would be sent in. The 3rd battle for Kharkov the SS lost some 4,000 soldiers in house to house fighting, the Soviets lost around 70,000 soldiers (do the math). If not for sheer numbers and clever tactics the SS could have won it for Germany at Kursk.
@wikiactivist The Waffen SS were reservoirs for the fanatic Nazi nutters from Wehrmacht line units. The Soviet equivalent was the NKVD - but, in the case of the NKVD, they tended to stay in the back - to "encourage" the other Red Army soldiers. Both the NKVD and Waffen SS units concentrated more on ideological purity than combat operational arts training, and both tended to inordinately suffer for it whenever they entered front-line combat.
@DrCruel Thats not entirely true. SS Units are misunderstood in the theater of combat. You had divisions such as the Das Reich, the Wiking, and the Leibstandarte who were experts in the field of warfare..just by 1944 there weren't many left. Many had been killed in the war of attrition in the Soviet Union, I agree that the NKVD played a larger part in "encouraging" Red Army Units but the Waffen SS (with the exception of the Totenkopf who had a much smaller part) were more active service soldiers
@DrCruel And I aren't "pro-Nazi" at all. This is how it was, the Wehrmacht often mocked the Waffen SS in the beginning because they believed them to be "all show", however the SS proved themselves in the invasion of France in 1940 and then continued to do so throughout Barbarossa and the drive into the Ukraine and towards Leningrad. You might hate and despise them (As many did) but as proffesional soldiers the Waffen SS were excellent, and any German (or Soviet) soldier will tell you the same.
@wikiactivist The Wehrmacht initially had great disregard for the SS troops (with good reason), and resented that they always got the best equipment. But they did finally find a use for them - as shock troops. SS soldiers tended to be mentally substandard, but very fanatical, so were well suited to such tasks.
I don't particularly despise the SS any more than I do the NKVD. Both were more useful for murdering unarmed civilians than for combat duty. Just relating the facts as they stand.
@DrCruel This is true, a lot of the Wehrmacht elements did dislike the SS who tended to be better armed and equipped than the German Army. But the SS training was far harder and tougher than anything modern armies experience today.Hence the reason the US military often studies the way the SS came out of certain battles when they were often outgunned and outmanouvered, murders at places like Stavelot and Oradour are inexcusable war crimes but as soldiers they weren't substandard at all, but elite
They were trained to kill and did this well, they weren't "boyscouts",,, If you see you comrades killed or mutilated by partisans whether on the eastern front or in the west as (near Oradour), you get enraged and make examples to make your enemy fear you and think twice about working against them, part and parcel of war. They allies did similiar things, you have no moral high ground at all!
@konigtigertank Are you an idiot or something or someone who just puts their foot in it and doesn't read comments properly? when did I assume any "moral highground", Oradour was a random act of revenge due to a trainline being sabotaged by the French resistance en route to Normandy to head off the Allied invasion, it wasn't 'the enemy' they murdered but women, children and old men (I should know, I've been myself) if anything these actions strengthened resolve against the Nazis (history proves)
I mean just to eat and stay warm in Moscow. Because they would have no options. They had no food and they could not turn back. That Russian pussy would have looked damn good and eating a bowl of soup with summer sausage and cheese wouldn't be bad either. With some shots of vodka. I would wager some did make it.
amerikaiscommunist 2 days ago
Hitler did not try to end the war sooner because the "allies" left Germany no honorable out by insisting on unconditional surrender and Hitler convinced himself that Fate would
work in his favor in the long run, as it did with Fredrick the Great.
konigtigertank 2 days ago
Who knows how many the USA had killed. The USA is responsible for every war the last 200 years. The super powers can stop all wars. If Russia and the USA didn't want war there would be none. If the bankers didn't want war there would be no wars. The Russians aren't so fond of war. The USA has been involved in hundreds of conflicts the last century.
amerikaiscommunist 3 days ago
One million Slavs fought with the Germans, but those Slavs should have gotten 5 million. Affter all if the war was lost they would have to go back to being murdered for 50 more years.
amerikaiscommunist 4 days ago
The Internet while it might not be the truth it is the only place to get the truth. The tv never tells the truth unless it doesn't harm what the government wants you to know. The history channel will never tell you we totally leveled all German cities. They will never tell you that Pearl Harbor was provoked and we knew the Japanese were going to attack. But let them do it because Americans didn't want war. If citizens don't want war all they got to do is let the Mossad do 9/11 and people say war
amerikaiscommunist 1 week ago
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BarackObamaFor2012 1 month ago
Hitler should of won that war, how the hell did he lose?? Note; I'm not pro Hitler, just looking at it from a purely neutral historical perpective. The opening months of operation baberossa the Germans captured and killed 3 million soviets troops. Destroyed huge amounts of Soviet aircraft and tanks.
london2resistance 1 month ago
@london2resistance The Germans messed up. They ran into the worst winter. The Germans ran their supply lines so thin. IF they instead of going into RUssia they just stayed in Ukraine and Poland and let the Russians come to them they could have hammered them and then broke through with a large army and hit Moscow. But Germany had to fight two fronts. THey didn't have the manpower.
amerikaiscommunist 5 days ago
@amerikaiscommunist
Not true; it was a pure numerical play by the Nazis; they had superior tactics/trained soldiers, but USSR outproduced them on medium quality medium tanks like the T-34...once the tank manufacturing complex at Chelyabinsk was complete and running in 1941, it was only a matter of time before germany was going to get its face rolled over with Russian armored collumns as far as the eye could see.
52111centrumcz 3 days ago
@52111centrumcz They didn't turn back in time. The winter crushed them. If they made Moscow they could have held up there.
amerikaiscommunist 3 days ago
@amerikaiscommunist
Right...in the same way moving into and being in stalingrad saved the sixth army...oh wait.....never mind......
52111centrumcz 2 days ago
@52111centrumcz They were surrounded at Stalingrad and who kno ws if they had weapo ns that would wo rk or if they spent all their ammo?
amerikaiscommunist 2 days ago
@amerikaiscommunist
That is actually what I was trying to convey...if they actually managed to get INTO Moscow, they would end up exactly like Paulus in Stalingrad. Namely surrounded, out of ammunition and out of luck.
52111centrumcz 2 days ago
Fucking facists
CrazyVaniaMCC 1 month ago
43 - the last year of german domination. Viva USSR
61papazson61 3 months ago
@61papazson61 Stfu, suck stalins dick.
WatchTheTrailers 2 months ago 2
What a hell is going on here? Why youtube show's nazi propaganda? WTF? R u fucking dumb? Nazi lose WW2 and they will fucked, so forget about this lossers!
mddemm 4 months ago
just propaganda
irhames 4 months ago
Germany the best army of World War II, was made with the best soldiers
dakaha1 5 months ago
@dakaha1 yep, but they sucked, so go fuck yourself Nazi!
mddemm 4 months ago
@shvak73 Good point. Though an independent position is usually a good one. Either way, I'm for anyone who fights against communism. Having Hitler rule eastern europe would've been better than Stalin. Hitler was less competent, was deathly ill by 1945, and was weak inherently. The "nazi empire" wouldn't have lasted 40 years.
Besides, Germans make better porn, and that's what really matters.
redreaper2020 5 months ago 2
@redreaper2020
Ummm....germans also would have gassed the entire eastern non-aryan population in 10 years if not faced with war; they managed 8 million people when in war and strapped for resources. So 50 million if not at war would have been achievable for them if they won; some critical thinking on your part is required.
52111centrumcz 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz You're confusing an argument over the weakness of a governmental system with an argument of military capacity. Stalin was more competent than Hitler, and Hitler was, to all extents and purposes, the Nazi party. The Soviets had a history of the party and a more solidified infrastructure in government.
redreaper2020 5 months ago
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@52111centrumcz You're confusing an argument over the weakness of a governmental system with an argument of military capacity. Stalin was more competent than Hitler, and Hitler was, to all extents and purposes, the Nazi party. The Soviets had a history of the party and a more solidified infrastructure in government.
redreaper2020 5 months ago
@52111centrumcz I think you should do the critical thinking. Why you would still believe the gas chamber lie says something about your intelligence - but - I do agree with you, however, about the 50 million deaths of eastern non aryans except it wasn't the Germans who would have killed them - it was Stalin and his clan of NKVD murderers who actually did the job.....Uncle Joe to the British and the Americans.
mawel1955 4 months ago
@mawel1955
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Unless you noticed Stalin got the absolute majority of Eastern Europe and it took Russians nearly 50 years to kill as many people as Germans did in 6 years of occupation.
52111centrumcz 4 months ago
@52111centrumcz Not really. Stalin killed millions in the Ukraine during the 1930s alone and decimated the ranks of the Army's officer corps at the same time.
knothead15 4 months ago
@knothead15
Stalin killed roughly 7 million people. Out of those, many were during the war or after the war those that deserted, joined the enemy or were taken prisoner. If you take states outside of the SU, then it is even more skewed that it took Russians much more time to kill as many as Hitler did.
52111centrumcz 4 months ago
@52111centrumcz Commies murdered more than 65 milion people from 1917 to 1990
amerikaiscommunist 5 days ago
@amerikaiscommunist
So? The United States murdered more than 65 million people in the last two centuries alone.
52111centrumcz 3 days ago
@shvak73 Inbred rednecks and Room temp IQ Reagen era throwbacks. I myself have no set political position. To identify yourself as a Communist or Facist or Socialist means you have picked your side on every issue, regardless if you know what the issue is or not.
thenoobfactor 5 months ago
@thenoobfactor Excellent point. I think this si a primary shortcoming of politics today. Pick your team, all your issues are decided. Why should a person's views on the climate, gay rights, the death penalty, corporate regulation, imigration, taxation, etc, etc. be tied together?
louisxiiii 4 months ago
@shvak73 And nobody in the west actually watches RT unless they are a communist or hippy.
thenoobfactor 5 months ago
@shvak73 hitler was the one that started the wars on multiple fronts he started them to early and had his forces to thin going against to many targets thats why i think he is an idiot he started a war his country wasnt fit for but one of the worst things to happen in my opinion was pearl harbor do to its inefectiveness to destroy enough to cripple america but instead had the effect of getting america into the war for a reason
CouldntFindANam3 5 months ago
Do not want US know the truth is. THE truth is the winter beat the Germans not the USSR !! That why the History chanel repeat its self!!
rlbergmann307 6 months ago
If the SS would not have been so cruel they would absolutely be the best fighting elite that ever existed!
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
because history written by the victor....
dulilomo 6 months ago
SMERT BOLSHEVIKAM!
14/88!
88raido 6 months ago
The U.S don`t wan´t to show any german propaganda from the second world war, but they gladly show american soldiers with captured Naziflags or prisoners.
expanderify 7 months ago
All governments want to control their people....I am from USA....love the country, love my fellow countrymen, even the illegals...do not trust the governments.....People of the World Unite....
gtobayou 7 months ago
Nazis...
They had "embeds" too...
What would be the other similarities?
Orthodoxcrusader 7 months ago
@jferr49 were Germans in any way better? For hiding 1 Jew (YES, JUST ONE) whole Polish village (usually something round 100 persons) was exterminated. Including women and children. For 1 german officer killed by the resistance, they killed 100 Poles, while death of 1 private was 'worth' lives of 10 Poles. The only difference between those was that Germans were exterminating people with typical German machine like order - while Russians with typical for them bloodlust.
Shchetchynianin 8 months ago
i always wonder why you dont see videos like this on tv. history chanel uses the same fim footage over and over and over - yet you never see these clips.....
MetalDetroit 9 months ago 24
@MetalDetroit because they are afraid that this lousy propaganda will somehow get to the people.
Shchetchynianin 8 months ago
@MetalDetroit History chanel uses the US and UK propaganda videos starting from WW1, WW2 ,Korea,Vietnam even Iraq and Afghanistan. Because of that Americans and British people are brainwashed. No hard filings but they are not showing the whole picture ( History chanel )
radioaktivnogovno 8 months ago 21
@radioaktivnogovno >implying Russians, Serbians etc are any more free thinking. Just look at RussiaToday, its like the bastard child of Fox news and Pravda.
thenoobfactor 6 months ago
@radioaktivnogovno would the germans show footage of american troops? idiot... you are watching an american channel, just like you are ON AND AMERICAN WEBSITE AND INTERNET... dont like ... dont watch American
popper504 6 months ago
@MetalDetroit
Heh, this is from Die Deutsche Wochenschau. And the source of this is most likely History Channel or some similar tv channel
burglex 8 months ago
@MetalDetroit They used to but its been dumbed down lately. See the "world at war" docu series. has interviews of soldiers from all sides also. Highly recomended.
Bmonney1985 2 months ago
@MetalDetroit The same reason they don't show you German cities totally destroyed. Why in history class they didn't tell us the holocaust is a hoax. On tv which is owned by the Jews does not show you the truth. They only want you brainwashed into thinking the Germans were bad and the Commies so sweet. Germany was totally right and the Allies totally wrong. The USA and Britain should have been put on trila for war crimes for firebombing German cities. The same for dropping the nukes on Japan.
amerikaiscommunist 1 week ago
@amerikaiscommunist The holocaust was a hoax? Fuck you - you are an imbecile at best.
MetalDetroit 5 days ago
@MetalDetroit
The don't want to appear to "glorify" the "naahzzi's". They ought to have a special
movie made on the exploits of Hans Rudel or Michael Wittman!!
konigtigertank 2 days ago
The Russians were copy cats. 7.62x25 was taken from the 7.63x25 German round. The AK-47 looked almost exactly like the STG-44 in appearance. TT-33 was pretty much the same in operation to a 1911. Did they ever come up with anything on their own?
taberr5 9 months ago
@taberr5 LOL. The 30 Mauser & 30 Tokarev was designed from the Borchardt cartridge. A civilian design. By a German national who has been living in the United States for over 30 years. The AK-47 and the STG-44 have very little in common...other than the outside appearance as you noted. The design concepts share very little in common. The main difference is in the gas operation of either weapon. As far as the 1911, there was nothing new in this design. It certainly was NOT creative.
stockingcpl 9 months ago
@stockingcpl Negative chief. Hugo Borchardt designed the round in association with a company in Berlin as the 7.65x25. Yes he moved to America, but the company was based in Germany. Then evolved into the 7.63x25. The 7.62x25 was a rip off the German round so that Soviet guns could fire both rounds if I remember correctly. Mikhail Kalashnikov saw the stg44 in combat but did not have one to copy. So he did used a different design, however the idea was not his. He copied the German design.
taberr5 9 months ago
@taberr5 Borchard moved to the States in 1860. He designed the bottlenecked pistol round (design taken from the 44/40) in 1893 on contract from a German company. The Kalashnikov sustem is not even vaguely like the STG-44. Roller lock-up as opposed to a delayed lockup. The STG-44 system was taken from the MG-34/43 system. They are identical.
stockingcpl 9 months ago
@stockingcpl I don't understand your comment on Hugo, he was German either way you look at it. The Stg 44 is a gas-operated weapon where the MG-34/42 were short recoil operated. Therefore they are extremely different. The AK-47 and the Stg 44 were different, but they had more in common then they did differences. For instance, a shortened version of a full size round is used. So yes, I would say they are vaguely similar.
taberr5 9 months ago
Is it Max Wunsche at 0:54? I think it says his name as a knight's cross winner.
cyphertek 9 months ago
For those who think Germany was "weak", it captured most of Europe and and North Africa, there army was the most elite in the world. And all this after they was was declared on them. The Russia only "won" because of Factory production in the U.S. So please go look at both sides of the paper before you speak.
Thank you..
88dragons88 10 months ago
@88dragons88 Germany was very weak..no oil, not enough metals...and of course they lost! Russia won because they are much stronger than Germanys little army....How much help from the USA was Russia allowed to take, so that Germany could have won the war? What kind of weather do the germans need to win a war against Russia?
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar Please mate, don't forget that "History is written by the victors". They fought U.S.S.R for 3 years not one season. You are poor tactitian and can't see what really happened.
88dragons88 10 months ago
@88dragons88 I am not a bad tactician, the germans was. I mean, war with the USA and Russia at the same time! Thats very poor tactics, especially when Germany dont have oil, metals and man force to win such war....
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar Ok there's one way I can explain this.
Imagine there's a guy you met one day and you fought with, at first it was hand to hand but everyday you fight he gets a better weapon. He gets rocks, bigger rocks, then big sticks, and then metal bats and so on. Then one day you find the man who is arming him, working his ass off to give the guy your fighting better odds of winning. In this case that person is U.S.A.. And this makes the Cold War as ironical as it ALREADY was. :)
88dragons88 10 months ago
@88dragons88 imagine one day you find a man who shits in your head.
mda220v 10 months ago
@mda220v I will make sure he wont find me. Whatever it takes.
88dragons88 10 months ago
@88dragons88 I dont need no imagination to know who won the war...
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar Oh and good luck. I am no longer coming back here. :D
88dragons88 10 months ago
@88dragons88 I saw that Germany lost..thats the truth
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar Russia would have lost the war without the tanks, planes, radios, trucks, food, and other materials the UK/USA sent the USSR. And Germany had to divide their armies to meet the USA/UK threat so Russia never faced the entire German army. Russia was NOT that much stronger than Germany. In fact they were weaker than Germany. In a one-on-one fight. Nazi Germany wins...
nlpjohn 10 months ago
@nlpjohn Its not Russias fault hat Germany had to divide their army...80% of Germanys army was in Russia..their greatest losts was in Russia..the biggest battles was in Russia...
How much help was Russia allowed to get from the USA, so Germany could have won the war?
How big army should Russia have so Germany could win ? What weather?
If you say like that, then I could say that Denmark had won the war, IF they had got a army big as Germany..you just speculate...I dont speculate, I give facts!
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar I was addressing the claim (speculation) that the Soviet army was superior to the German army. I addressed that point and gave my reasons why that was not an accurate statement. Your other comments are not relevant to my point. If you want to address the original point then go ahead. Otherwise there is not much for you and I to discuss.
nlpjohn 10 months ago
@nlpjohn You forget that not Russia either had its whole army against Germany until dec. 1941, when the russian spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge got information about Japans plans and could move divisions from Siberia to the Moscow front. And Russia did not get big help from USA until 1942, then the russians had already stoped the germans at Moscow and they also had started a counter offensive that almost crushed the german arme gruppe mitte.Nov. 1941 the Leibstandarte had to retreat from Rostov
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nlpjohn And I would not say that the german weapons was better than the russian..The T34 was outstanding until 1943. The german soldiers used (with pleasure) russian weapons, because they functioned during cold weather for instance...
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar You make good points. However in terms of who could win a heads-up fight, the USSR was able to bring their reserves in from the East in late 1941. The Germans could not do the same as their men were tied down in Africa and France. Also the USSR avoided the full German war production machine since much material was diverted to the Navy. Also the German Luftwaffe was cleaning the Russians clock until some of the Luftwaffe were diverted to Africa. This gave the Soviet AF life...
nlpjohn 10 months ago
@nlpjohn I believe that the germans underestimated the russians... the russian war industry capacity...oil etc.
The germans was very surprised of the russians weapon quality...German generals about the T 34: "the worlds finest tank", "we had nothing against it"..."If the russians can massproduce this tank, then we have lost the war"
Bismarck during the 1800 century: "dont start wars with Russia", Hitler should have remembered ! Germanys war had ended happier with Russia as german allied...
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nlpjohn One big reason for Germany to underestimate Russia was the Finnish Winter War....but they should have remembered that the troops who attacked Finland was badly trained and did not have the best russian weapons...Not either the best russian generals was involved in Finland...My father was in the war in the finnish army when Germany attacked Russia 41-44..the finnish officers also underestimated Russia...he said
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nlpjohn Hitler should also have remembered Napoleon...Napoleon had the worlds biggest army against Russia....almost the whole french army died in Russia...and Russia did not get any help from no one then.
In fact Russia and Preussen was allied after this and crushed Napoleon ....things have always gone good for both Russia and Germany , when they have been allied....
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar Well Russia and Germany in WW2 were different. One was Facist, which is on the far right of the political spectrum while russia was communist, which was far left. There was no way German would have attacked Russia if they had just the slightest chance of negotiating. But the fact that they are such enemy politically makes the clash of the 2 great nations inevitable
usernameufo123 10 months ago
@usernameufo123 Yes, a little different, this was sad for Germany in the end. Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany, oil, metals and so on...It had been extremly difficult for the western allies to win Germany
with Russia on the german side....
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar Do you mean Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany during the period of 1930-1940? Because Zhukov the russian general even admitted, even if Germany wasn't going to attack Soviet Union, they were planning an attack on Germany within few years. That is why Soviet Union could not defend Germany at all in the start of their war, they have trained their soldiers mainly offensive doctrines (you can search it up) and their soldiers didn't even learn how to perform basic defence.
usernameufo123 10 months ago
@usernameufo123 Zhukov meant that Russia needed a few more years to strengthen their defense...Germanys army was also trained for just attacks...That was obvious when the russians started their first big offensive dec. 1941...It was a total catastroph for Germany and armegruppe mitte was almost crushed, just Hitlers order to stay at their places stoped a total disaster!
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar LOL dude it wasn't because Germans do not know how to defend that they suffered a lot during the winter, its the weather and lack of proper clothing. It was one of Russia's worst winter in decades that year! Oil and roads froze so the attacks were delayed so war of attrition began.
As well, Russia DID sign deals when Nazi Germany to train their army, but that was BEFORE Germans reoccupied Rhineland. German signed the deal because they were not allowed to exceed # of soliders b4 1938
usernameufo123 10 months ago
@usernameufo123 The german army did not train defense war...only attack war. Already in nov. 1941 the russians forced Leibstandarte to redraw from Rostov...this was the first time during WW2 that the germans was forced to redraw...Did not the russians have the same problems with oil and frozen roads? I know that the russian weapons was better than the german during the winter..their tanks started, the german did not start always, same with the soldiers weapons
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar Well honestly the German weapons were much better, thats why they fight so many russian soldiers with their amount. The tank does start, except they have to heat up the engine several hours before a battle, so they burn even more oil that they needed. Russians have problems with frozen roads....but its their home territory! They were much better off..
Also...no disrespect, but i think you need to search more about the history behind, no way russia would sell everything to germany.
usernameufo123 9 months ago
@usernameufo123 Honestly the germans copied the russian T34..but now a days Russia crushes Germany in 5 seconds with a few 50 megaton nuclear bombs...So, lets hope that Germany dont attack Russia again!
Russia crushes Germany very fast in a war now a days
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar Actually I believe the Germans have secretly developed a defense to nuclear weapons, it is one of their new wunder weapons. The Germans continued to have their eye on Russia for "living room" and possible convert many places to farm land where the Russian occupants will work hard long days.
Robert111 9 months ago
@Robert111 Russia blows Germany to the outer space, now a days with a few 50 megaton nuclear bombs...in 5 seconds!
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar HHAHAHAHA you should be a comedian germans copied t-34. do you know how many COUNTLESS tanks airplanes jets helicopter technology Russians, Americans Canadians etc stole from the Germans? Even nowadays the wwii german technology is found on modern equipment.
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@ModellMeister actually the germans copied the t 34 from the russians.... no german tank had sloped armor until they encounbtered the t 34 then germans came out with the panther which had sloped armor just like the t 34
popper504 9 months ago
@popper504 oooh 1 example! do you know how much german technology russkies and tommies and yankees all stole from the germans?
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@ModellMeister Yes that WAs a HUGE example though... and we are not talking about other technological advances . We are talking about slopiong armor that Germany copied off the T 34
popper504 9 months ago
@popper504 0_o im sure people had sloped armor tanks in WWI...
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@ModellMeister You should read history ...the germans copied the T34..german general Guderian= "we had nothing against the T34" The only technology that the germans can is the chrematory tech..they are in fact world leading..I mean , 15000 bodies a day is quite impressing!
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar And the Russians copied Walter Christie's tank to make the T-34...
nlpjohn 9 months ago
@nurmiar the germans DEFINITELY had more technology. one thing. k. they had better guns, they had the ramjet, they had the first JET itself, first rocket, first combat-operational helicopter
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@nurmiar
they didn't copy it, they made a new one against it... It's not always a copy when some of its functions are the same;) Btw, I think the Kalashnikov looks similar to the Stg44 (or mp44)? shoots quite thesame, simple design and has almost the same bullets
Btw, not only Russia has nuclear weapons. Even The Netherlands have them.. so Germany will absolutely have
and btw, the one who was almost responsible for the development of the nuclear bomb on Japan whas a Jew, a GERMAN Jew...
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 If the Kalashnikovs parts fits in the Stg44, then its a copy...(I doubt that the parts fits)
Because the german tanks before 1943 had no chance against the russian tanks, the germans was forced to develop the Panther...With sloped armour, wide tracks and a high velocity main gun...as the T34 and KV 1 had...
nurmiar 6 months ago
@nurmiar
Hmm... I doubt that what you say is true.. I think it will never be clear, because governments don't want to say anything about it.
Hitler said, ok. But I meant according to nowadays. We would call him a German Jew. And dude, why are you talking about Russia and Germany fighting? Believe me, Russia won't do a thing because:
1: Russia then will never be Russia anymore
2: Russia wont be there anymore because then the world is over....
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
Neither Germany or the Netherlands have nuclear weapons ...What is a german jew? I thought that Hitler said that the jews are not germans...
nurmiar 6 months ago
Russia has nuclear weapons..so it doesnt matter what kind of weapons Germany has...Russia blows Germany to the outer space in 5 seconds...Germanys Leopards, and other shit doesnt help...
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar the russians got the slope armor from the americans. also you diverted conversation to modern era. whats russia gonna do, vodka- bomb germany?
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@usernameufo123 If someone wins a war...I would buy the winners weapons..not the losers
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar no.... imagine this: russia had x999 crappy tanks, but but germans had x50 really high quality, high tech tanks. in 2011, i'd take the german, because i can produce more. in 1945, germans just didnt have the resources. theres only one thing to learn: when you dont have the resources, quantity>quality
ModellMeister 9 months ago
@usernameufo123 Yes, Russia was ready to sell everything to Germany...and as you maybe know, the Reichswher was allowed by Russia to use russian territorys for training train and testing new planes and so on...
nurmiar 10 months ago
@nurmiar I don't even know how to summarize this but here we go:
Germany and Soviet Union had done each other deals (Ribben.-Molo. Pact) for the benefit of their short term interest. All these short term interest at the end was going to accumulate for their ultimate goal, destroy the other. No fricking way S.U would sell the materials to Germany.
Do you REALLY think that Hitler would attack Soviet Union if they could give him oil, rare material, energy....all these war resources?
usernameufo123 10 months ago
@usernameufo123 Germany had generous trade contracts with Russia...they got oil, metals and other things...even the night to 22june a russian train was on its way over the border with gods to Germany!
ALTOUGH Hitler decided to attack Russia! Very very stupid!
nurmiar 10 months ago
After what I have read about this issue, I am sure that Russia would have sold everything that Germany needed...I am sure that Russia had forfilled all contracts very carefully...Hitler did a very big mistake, when he decided to attack Russia.
nurmiar 10 months ago
@usernameufo123
Hm.. I would say Hitler thought another way, here we go:
1: Russia's army was in 1940/1941 at its weakest. Most of the officers and veterans were gone because of Stalin's cleaning....
2: If Hitler would have taken Russia, he would have had all resources forever and he would not be dependent from Russia
i think that's how Hitlers mind went. Not really stupid I must say;)
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 what? I never said hitler was stupid....I said the Russians couldn't have sold all their resources to German before their war. I think it was the person "Nurmiar" who kept saying Russia was in good relations with Germany and would have sold all of its resources to Germany if they needed it. I was just trying to argue against that.
usernameufo123 6 months ago
@usernameufo123
Srry then, I think I pushed the answer button at the wrong person, sorry;)
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
@nlpjohn So, how much help would be allowed to give Russia+ So that Germany can win the war?
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nlpjohn So, how much help from the USA was Russia allowed to get , so that Germany could have won the war? You cant change the fact that Russia won..Germany lost1
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar You have not followed the conversation so your question is a non sequitur. The original debate was whether WW2 Russia was more powerful than WW2 Germany. My position was in a heads up fight, WW2 Russia gets defeated... Russia's survival depended on trucks, radios, food, planes, and even some tanks that the USA sent them. Even the T-34 was largely stolen from American Walter Christie...
nlpjohn 9 months ago
@nlpjohn
right! Germans were most often better trained, especially the SS forces ofcourse. 3 million germans with countless tanks, planes etc would be devastating...
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 Obviously they were not good enough trained, because they lost in Russia
nurmiar 6 months ago
@nurmiar the germans lost the war because hitler was a retard the only thing he was good for was mobilizing germany but his constant restraints on his generals like making them relay orders to him before they did them and his constant restraint on helpful technology like better airpower when they needed them and making it so the stg44 wasnt relesed till the end of the war also the ostheer was a small detachment of the wehrmacht and had a much smaller force compared to the russians
CouldntFindANam3 6 months ago
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nurmiar 10 months ago
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@88dragons88 Said by your idol A. Hitler : "Only the strongest survive", "the winner is always right", "the weak is doomed to die"
So, strong Russia wiped out Germany...
nurmiar 10 months ago
@88dragons88 Germany was very weak...if you dont believe me...think of this: they lost the war
nurmiar 9 months ago
@nurmiar Германия была сильна как никогда... Но СССР был сильнее. Чем сильнее наш враг тем больше наша слава.
MaksimovLugansk 9 months ago
@nurmiar Ahahaha. I can't believe you said that. I am just imagining how old you are. Damn! That has got to be the funniest thing I heard ever.
88dragons88 9 months ago
@88dragons88 So why did not Germany complain to rhe USA about their help to Russia? How much help was Russia allowed to get..so that Germany could have won the war? Wich weather should there have been in Russia so that Germany could have won? You just speculate,I dont speculate..because I know who won and who lost the war...
nurmiar 9 months ago
@88dragons88 The US help to Russia was not what made Russia win. Russia won because of 1. Hitler was a megalomaniac dumbfuck that didn't listen to his generals and started war on two fronts and then didn't even give the army winter equipment. 2. The Russians sacrificed themselves to such extent that they're numbers overcame Germanys strong army. The Russians didn't have the same training and experiance. So they used what means they had, and won.
The end result is all that matters and Russia won.
UltraRebels 8 months ago
@UltraRebels: not to take away from the "Russia used purely numbers" is true, particularly in the first two years and half years fighting the nazis but most military historians, who now have access to Soviet documents after the end of the cold war, are re-evaluating Soviet military practices and say that, while the Red Army did rely on brute strength also say the Red Army show very sophisticated strategy and tactics in the last two years of the war.
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lukebccb 8 months ago
@UltraRebels: In their offensives that cleared the Ukraine and Operation Bagration and the offensives into Prussia, western military historians now state that the Soviet military planners used and showed impressive technical, tactical and strategic planning in pushing the nazis westward out of the Soviet Union. While they did overwhem their Germans with the numbers of troops and weapons, the Red Army nonetheless used these troops and armaments quite intelligently to steamroll the nazis.
lukebccb 8 months ago
@lukebccb I agree. I just didn't feel like writing as long explaining the same that thing I've already explained so many times to other nazis like him. So I summarized it down to what I felt was the key thing, especially during the most important first years.
The russian tanks are good examples of what you wrote. Their excellent "design" combined with their overwhelming numbers stopped the german tanks. The katyushas are another good example I think, especially from a psychological p.o.v.
UltraRebels 8 months ago
@lukebccb \
Hm... I'd rather say that the Russians only won because of their huge number of troops and that the germans had problems with transport etc. I know they used their advantages, but they didnt care about their heavy losses. You can't deny that, they were cruel to their own people! (I must admit that this was the smartest tactic ever)
elisdewaard1 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 When there is a question of protecting their homeland from destruction, even the greatest losses have meaning to be. writing through Google translator, I'm sorry if it is not clear
Wildelir 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 Didnt the germans know how many people lived in Russia? Didnt the germans know how big Russia is? What kind of weather do the germans need to win a war ? The germans lost because they underestimated the russians...
nurmiar 6 months ago
@elisdewaard1 So, how many should the russians have been so that the germans could win the war? 3 million, 2 million ? Or how many ?
nurmiar 6 months ago
@jferr49 "Only the strongest survive" Adolf Hitler Because Germany was weak, they lost. Russia was strong, they won the war
nurmiar 11 months ago
@nurmiar russians have only one front and help from america(supplies,cars,food and weapons),oil, metal and 3x more men that germans have,why you think that there been found thompsons(submachineguns) at Laatoka lake=)=))russians had a advatage to germans,and they have a T 32 panzers same as tiger 1,russian army always based in mass,the power,even americans fear their army after war
waffenestland 10 months ago
@waffenestland How much help from the USA is allowed for the russians to take, so that Germany could have won the war? How big army should the russians have , so that Germany could have won the war?
Wich weather should there have been in Russia , so that the germans could have won the war?
After thinking of this, then the germans must have been very stupid to attack Russia...
nurmiar 10 months ago
@waffenestland How many fronts should the russians have , so that Germany could have won the war? one..two..or three?
nurmiar 10 months ago
@jferr49 If you think that killing 12 million civilians is class..then you are a fuckin nut
nurmiar 11 months ago
@jferr49 The germans raped 10 million russian woman..killed 12 million russian civilians..is this class?
Anyway.. Russia won the war your fuckin losers LOST Fuckin losers..lose every war you start
nurmiar 11 months ago
Germans as the people have degenerated!
Remember hitler's words : "It is the nation hasn't the right to existence. The future belongs to stronger People of the East"
Today germany represents the Turkish brothel deprived by Poles of the primordial earths, the country where at the state level there is a homosexuality propagation at schools
So modern German victims of abortions need to do nothing, as waching old chronicles about their grandfathers with simultaneous masturbation or without it
Smersh87 11 months ago
Берлинские дамочки готовте свои ямочки!!!
Smersh87 11 months ago
...the trauma of children whose parents are killed and of parents whose children are killed. it's just too bad. 1 million civilians in vietnam... we see NOTHING on TV sets. all people responsible for these things, and hitler is surely one of them, should be enjailed for life or killed. we must show our children that they must not hurt other people, and most of all we must SHOW them what humanity has done so far. no other animal on earth do so much athrocities to its own species. hope you agree
pedrodinizsousa 1 year ago
@pedrodinizsousa americans have killed raped and pillaged more people and countries then anyone else has!
they tried to go to war with germany, they tried to avoid peace treaties!
u7alll 1 year ago
@u7alll ok maybe not raped and pillaged
u7alll 1 year ago
...take all those movies about the killing of jews in WWII. The pianist, for example. You may "This is propaganda". Well, reality is always WORSE then fiction,as you know. i think people should see on their TV sets what US missiles did to thousands of civilians in shelters of Baghdad in 1991 and 2003. but they should also see even worse things like those you deny - auschwitz, many other concetration camps, the crimes of stalin, warsaw getto, the deliberate assassination of innocents...
pedrodinizsousa 1 year ago
i agree with a lot of what you say and sure there is a lot of propaganda. Hitler is presented as a demon, and he was not, he was human. but if a regime kills people because its ethnicity or because of anything else, and deliberately kills civilians, then the regime should be destroyed immediately. it happened hundreds of times in human history, it's happening now in africa. i have two young daughters and i don't accept the horrors of totalitarian regimes.
pedrodinizsousa 1 year ago
Back to the subject of this video; The Waffen-SS really kicked ass against Soviet armour, throughout the war, either in the offensive role or in defense!!
konigtigertank 1 year ago
The Germans had about 6,000 tanks in 1941, of various types. German tank production was about 3500 in 1941, 5500 in 1942, 13500 in 1943 and 18500 in 1944. The Soviets began 1941 with 25000 tanks, but the vast majority were BT-5s and BT-7s (leading to absurdly high kill ratios for the Germans). Soviet tank production was about 6500 in 1941, 23500 in 1942, 24000 in 1943 and 27000 in 1944, but before 1943 about half of these were light tanks (like the T-60 and T-70).
DrCruel 1 year ago
Internet Fight! Wooot!
amfefe925 1 year ago
MEINE EHRE HEISST TREUE !!!
niKh4rdshuffle 1 year ago
Nicht sehr klar, aber sehr guter Bericht der Waffen-SS. Danke!
notaire2 1 year ago
The Romans and Greeks used to call ppl of central europe barbarians. The crulity of the Germans shows its stil true today.
vincevince801 1 year ago
@vincevince801 People used to call your mother a whore and it still holds true today
jackzero99 1 year ago
@vincevince801 Nigga Please...
4shacks1house 1 year ago
Waffen SS ruled.
elldorado1991 1 year ago 3
@elldorado1991 waffen ss was killed Russian army! So - who ruled?
tagirov82 1 year ago
@tagirov82 It was sheer numbers and ruthless use of those numbers of men that killed the SS. The average Russian soldier was a fucking lump of shit compared to an SS soldier. Fact!!
4shacks1house 1 year ago
@4shacks1house At the beginning, the Russian soldier was badly equipped and ineptly led. They held back the Germans with little more than sheer courage. But by 1945, the Red Army soldiers were veterans, with combat-proven gear and hardened, experienced commanders - and a match for anything the Germans had.
Mind, many of the Waffen SS were some of the worst Nazi soldiers. Their best were the assault engineers, paratroopers and mountain troops. SS soldiers were mocked by the Wehrmacht regulars.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Pardon me for interrupting, but the Waffen SS were certainly NOT some of the worst Nazi soldiers. Militarily they were often outnumbered (as in all 3 of the battles in Kharkov) and still come out on top. When the Wehrmacht retreated, the SS would be sent in. The 3rd battle for Kharkov the SS lost some 4,000 soldiers in house to house fighting, the Soviets lost around 70,000 soldiers (do the math). If not for sheer numbers and clever tactics the SS could have won it for Germany at Kursk.
wikiactivist 1 year ago
@wikiactivist The Waffen SS were reservoirs for the fanatic Nazi nutters from Wehrmacht line units. The Soviet equivalent was the NKVD - but, in the case of the NKVD, they tended to stay in the back - to "encourage" the other Red Army soldiers. Both the NKVD and Waffen SS units concentrated more on ideological purity than combat operational arts training, and both tended to inordinately suffer for it whenever they entered front-line combat.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Thats not entirely true. SS Units are misunderstood in the theater of combat. You had divisions such as the Das Reich, the Wiking, and the Leibstandarte who were experts in the field of warfare..just by 1944 there weren't many left. Many had been killed in the war of attrition in the Soviet Union, I agree that the NKVD played a larger part in "encouraging" Red Army Units but the Waffen SS (with the exception of the Totenkopf who had a much smaller part) were more active service soldiers
wikiactivist 1 year ago
@DrCruel And I aren't "pro-Nazi" at all. This is how it was, the Wehrmacht often mocked the Waffen SS in the beginning because they believed them to be "all show", however the SS proved themselves in the invasion of France in 1940 and then continued to do so throughout Barbarossa and the drive into the Ukraine and towards Leningrad. You might hate and despise them (As many did) but as proffesional soldiers the Waffen SS were excellent, and any German (or Soviet) soldier will tell you the same.
wikiactivist 1 year ago
@wikiactivist The Wehrmacht initially had great disregard for the SS troops (with good reason), and resented that they always got the best equipment. But they did finally find a use for them - as shock troops. SS soldiers tended to be mentally substandard, but very fanatical, so were well suited to such tasks.
I don't particularly despise the SS any more than I do the NKVD. Both were more useful for murdering unarmed civilians than for combat duty. Just relating the facts as they stand.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel This is true, a lot of the Wehrmacht elements did dislike the SS who tended to be better armed and equipped than the German Army. But the SS training was far harder and tougher than anything modern armies experience today.Hence the reason the US military often studies the way the SS came out of certain battles when they were often outgunned and outmanouvered, murders at places like Stavelot and Oradour are inexcusable war crimes but as soldiers they weren't substandard at all, but elite
wikiactivist 1 year ago
@wikiactivist
They were trained to kill and did this well, they weren't "boyscouts",,, If you see you comrades killed or mutilated by partisans whether on the eastern front or in the west as (near Oradour), you get enraged and make examples to make your enemy fear you and think twice about working against them, part and parcel of war. They allies did similiar things, you have no moral high ground at all!
konigtigertank 1 year ago
@konigtigertank Are you an idiot or something or someone who just puts their foot in it and doesn't read comments properly? when did I assume any "moral highground", Oradour was a random act of revenge due to a trainline being sabotaged by the French resistance en route to Normandy to head off the Allied invasion, it wasn't 'the enemy' they murdered but women, children and old men (I should know, I've been myself) if anything these actions strengthened resolve against the Nazis (history proves)
wikiactivist 1 year ago
@wikiactivist
People who try to heap shit and moral disgust on the Germans, don't have any moral high ground to talk about such acts, as if they (the oppo