Part 22 of 22 - Muslim - Christian Dialogue - Dubai 2009

[BiblesOnLine]

You have to be retarded to be a Christian, only morons can belief that an innocent man be punished for someone sins, and they called it Justices, if God is Just.

Christianity imposed on people of the world base on Wars, Deceit, psychological manipulation, enslavement, false propaganda, Economic strangulation, Exploitation and Fake healer.

95% of the peoples of the world want to be told what to do, and how to behave.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine It wasn't Christianity that imposed wars, it was evil men propagating their evil beliefs using religion, as the masses are ignorant of the word of God. The poor were never educated and the masses just recently learned how to read. So read the Bible, lest evil men fool you again. Jesus set the foundation for freedom, you could not speak your mind like you do now without Jesus. human dignity, and life is respected because Jesus laid us the foundation for it.

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified For centuries an all powerful Roman Church condemned millions to genocide, torture and enslavement based largely on belief. The inspiration for these atrocities was drawn directly from the context of the Old and New Testament.

I know the Christians Hypocrisy will tell me that the Roman Church are not Christians, then who are the Christians, the Christians medias will never show the world the atrocity they are committing in Iraq, and in Afghanistan.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine The autrocities by the Catholic church was done by Cesar, as he turned himself into the Pope of the catholic church in order to rule the masses, as his Empire's population was believing more and more in Jesus. The Pope chased Martin Luther to kill hiom when he proptedted against the chirch, the Pope even started to burn the Bibles that his army came across, because the people in Germany started to read the Bibles themselves, and saw theb truth that the Pope was a fraud.

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Why the Europeans are so evils, full of hates, revenges because they learned these evils in their pagan book call the Bible.

Why God want women, children and infants to be killed .

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. 1 Samuel 15:3

Why GOD wants to kill all and only saves Virgin girls. Numbers 31:17-18

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat, Deist, avid separationist.

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion to make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." [Notes on Virginia]

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind." -- Thomas Paine

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified John Adams 1735-1826, 2d President of the United States

"But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the bloodiest religion that ever existed."

[BiblesOnLine]

James Madison, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution." "In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." Christianity bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." April 1, 1774

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified We shall start with the some verses that helped to inflict one of the biggest mass murders in history, the Inquisition.

Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27

“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine Yes the Old test was copied by Islam, that's why I read and live in the New testament, The Old Testament did not work, as God gave it to man, to prove to him that he cannot live up to the law, thereby needing grace from Jesus. My friend, get out of the Old Test and stay in the New Testament, the love of Jesus conquers all.

Love thy enemies, and bless those that curse thee.

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified This is some what the Quran says:

Don't confuse truth with falsehood or knowingly conceal the truth. 2:42

If you believe it, prove it. 2:111

Do not fight wars of aggression. 2:190

Don't argue about things that you know nothing about. 3:66

Value justice, for both poor and rich, even when it adversely affects you or your family's interests. 4:135

Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8

It is wrong to oppress people. 42:42

Live peacefully with disbelievers. 43:88-89

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine All these quotes from the Quran will not get you into heaven, as you see you have the problem of sin. Allah cannot entertain sinners, and forgive them just because they ask for it, if that was the case, then Adam would have just asked for forgiveness and would have remained in the beautiful garden of Eden.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine Don't confuse truth with falsehood or knowingly conceal the truth. 2:42 This is one of the Ten Commandments.

If you believe it, prove it. 2:111 if you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God, prove it.

Do not fight wars of aggression. 2:190 Mohamad said that Islam must rule the world, that will only come about by aggression.

Don't hate other people. Treat everyone fairly. 5:8 Islam says to not treat the foriegners fairly, tey have to pay a higher tax.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine If you are so fond of Sharia law then, why don't you be true to your belief; stand in line to get stoned for your sins. Have you ever lied, stolen anything, committed adultery, coveted? If you have then, please give us the proper example, and volunteer to get stoned. You should practice what you preach. In fact all believers in Sharia law should volunteer to show other Muslims that there is no bias in Islam. Only Jesus can save you from your sins.

[BiblesOnLine]

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine For the last few hundred years the catholic and Protestant countries have united, and gone to bed with the Muslims to go against the Orthodox Christian countries. I say Catholic and Orthodox, not to mean that they are real Christians, in name only they are Christians not in deed. Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say to start wars just for the sake of taking over. The Jews were ordered to take over the Holy Land, nothing more. christians are forbidden to commit murder.

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified A person can be very well qualified academically in most fields of research, but if Christianity captures and enslaves one’s mind, then one loses direction of the path to truth.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine In what way can it negatively capture one's mind, other than having them do good, and love thy neighbor, just because leaders in the past were evil and their works anti Christian, you have no ground to stand on accusing the Bible of such evil. Jesus said to do good, Hitler said to do evil, and you equate the 2. Good for you, you're real smart

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Christianity is like writing in Mein Kamp, Adolf Hitler claimed that the masses were more influenced by their emotions than by their brains; to this end, “all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans such as (Jesus die for our sins) and (Jesus is the Son of God or God) until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogans”. Deceit is an essential tool of church with the Christianity.

[thelordglorified]

@BiblesOnLine The media is controlled by athiets, and followers of Satan. i.e. everytime a Christian politician references the Bible, he is ridiculed by the media, remember satan is the prince of this world. He has a lot of power. Look at the sin around you, you can see his deceptuions are everywhere. Follow Jesus if you want happiness, Jesus is the Price of Peace.

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Jesus bring no peace to the earth: Mathew Ch: 10 V: 34

34" Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law --

36 a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Mathew Ch: 10 V:34

Bring mine enemies and slay them before me. Luke 19.27

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified The Jewish faith, Zionists control America. Ask yourself why less than 1% of population Zionist Jews are controlling the entire US Media (Print, Radio, TV), Privately owned Fed Reserve, all major international Banks, most of White House sensitive positions to President. Zionists AIPAC control every US Senator and Representatives in the Congress. US give $6 Bi to Israel yearly. Who made false flagged wars, to steal the USA treasury?

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

Zionists are fake Jews they are not Jews, they are Ashkenazi

[BiblesOnLine]

@thelordglorified The Church programmed the Christians to worship Jesus, now they started programming the Christians to worship Israel.

[jerusalemlover1]

Phil 2:5-8 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! NIV

[aliharba]

@khalidsayd

1. check the old Testaments please and you will find that you believe that apostates should be killed

2.if we dont allow the spreading of other religions in Islamic countries why do we have churches in Dubai, Lebanon,Syria, Malaysia and so many more.

3. elaborate more please. thank you

4.Lebanon is an Islamic nation and it has had christian rulers before present time, so i am afraid your wrong at that point.

5. evolution!!! as in us coming from monkeys and eating bananas?

[aliharba]

@hasancyrus

1. check the old Testaments please and you will find that you believe that apostates should be killed

2.if we dont allow the spreading of other religions in Islamic countries why do we have churches in Dubai, Lebanon,Syria, Malaysia and so many more.

3. elaborate more please. thank you

4.Lebanon is an Islamic nation and it has had christian rulers before present time, so i am afraid your wrong at that point.

5. evolution!!! as in us coming from monkeys and eating bananas?

[machandxb]

FANTASTIC Closing!!!!

[Jiannamarie1]

Thabiti and Bassam both did well on this debate ..not many people could do this in such a polite manner with respect towards eachother and the audience..I really hope to obtain more faith in my own life because we all need peace and guidance that the world itself cannot offer us.

[eggrollmama]

as someone who watched all 22 parts, i think it's interesting how the closing statements played out: Bassam attacked what Thabiti said; Thabiti actually made a closing statement and summed up the topic for the dialogue. Thabiti has confidence in what he is saying; Bassam has little to no confidence in what he could say to convince people, so instead, he just attacks the other person. Bassam's attitude has been condescending to both those who asked the questions as well as Thabiti.

[mychalpryor24]

This is such a passionate and heartfelt presentation of the gospel. God bless you fo rsharing this historic event with the world.

[thejusofreason]

Jesus claimed that He is God in many places. All the writing about Jesus are from His close disciples and no one else. In quran allah never claims he is the only god in any verse, every such verse is in third person, that means it is a narration by someone. In Bible you know the narrator and in quran narrator is unknown. Nowhere is quran Mohammed claims he is the last prophet. Apply same rules to both.

[hasancyrus]

jesus never never ever said i am god, not even in the human bible.. ( the john or whatever those people are, who never knew jesus).. why always in bible they reffer to stuff as.. as this guys said, as this guy mentioned.. because its just theories that had never been prooven..

u people need to know whats right and what wron... plus.. whats up with this verse in the bible.. where is states that (devil carried jesus to show him the land) or some thing like that? devil carries god ???????????????

[1001icecream]

@hasancyrus dude, read Bible 1st, .. he said it MANY MANY times

[ljkuipo]

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is,and which was,and which is to come, the Almighty.

1:18 I am he that liveth,and was dead,and behold,I am alive for evermore, Amen,and have the keys of hell and of death.

Revelation 2:18And unto the angel of the church of Thyatira,write:These things saith the SON OF GOD, "Jesus refers to himself here as,THE ALMIGHTY,THE SON OF GOD, AND WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE FOR EVERMORE,confirms the crucifixion,resurrection

[fwfassett]

@hasancyrus - If you want to read the Bible, including book of John, you can read it free online at BibleGateway (dot) com. John was the disciple who leaned on Jesus' chest at the Last Supper, the night He was arrested. Most think he was the youngest disciple, who also wrote the book of Revelation. Several times Jesus praised a disciple who said He was the Son of the living God, or God. He told Philip if he has seen Him (Jesus) he has seen the Father (God). John 14:9

[khalidsayd]

@hasancyrus

1. What is your openion about killing of apostates by Islamic Nations. It is allowed by QUran.

2. What is your opneion about not allowing the spreading of other religions in Islamic Countries.

3. What is your openion about Allah decided whether the person will go to heaven or hell from the womb of his mother itself.

4. What is your opnion about not allowing non muslim to be the main ruler of Islamic Nations?

5. What is your opnion about evolution of living things?

[TheSog1986]

Amen thabiti a true man of God

[BCJ5297]

That was a wonderfully, refreshing presentation! Thanks for posting it and helping to understand why I believe what I believe!

[MrBenoemi]

Thabiti-a Man of GOD!!!Praise be to GOD!!!

[tingclair]

I think Thabiti breaks things down pretty well. An outstanding man of God!

[GoodBinGood]

@tingclair YOU BETTER THINK CLEAR! NOT THINK BLURR! JESUS IS GOD MESSENGER! HE IS GOD'S! MUHAMMAD IS GOD'S. If Jesus is God... And if u make belief that Muhammad is God too! and then See for youself! Jesus was defeated by Jews but Muhammad defeated the pagans Arab.. And that make Muhamad better God than Jesus! But Muhamad did not claim he is God but God's.. Therfore Jesus is not more but equal with Muhamad too>>GOD's

[j400wel]

no we are not gods.

jesus is same as md in the fact that they are prophets

[tingclair]

Jesus is God and claimed to be God. That's why the Jews sought to kill Him, because He claimed equality with God.

[vaea46]

Jews didnt sort to kill him - do you think Jews will kill another Jew - they would test him too see if he is the messiah - dont beleive everything the bible tells, u, it portraits to show the Jews as the enemy - the bible could of being influence by Satan, how would a evil society as the ROMANS be portraited as the good guys, if they didnt influence the bible and the Roman Catholics - look it up

[tingclair]

of course the Jews would kill another Jew - read the Old Testament. The Bible doesn't present anybody as the "good guy" - the whole point is that we're evil and worthy of the wrath of God. We can't stand before a holy and righteous God. Do you think you can with your good works? Nobody can. That's why the Savior came, so God gets all the glory, and not men.

[ljkuipo]

Islam says to kill muslims if they leave the muslim faith, then it would be no big deal to kill Jews and Christians then, right?

 If Allah says kill the muslims that leave Islam, it is understandable then if the Allah of the Quran said kill the infidels. The Allah of the Quran is the opposite of the Allah of the Bible, so please stop stealing the Allah of the Bible, and turning him into Satan.

[saqib9876]

wer does it say muslims to kill muslims dat leave d faith?

[j400wel]

its better for u not to say three-it is easy to easier to explain 1.

[GoodBinGood]

@j400wel Jesus is GOD's, MUHAMMAD IS GOD'S, I AM GOD'S, WE ARE GOD'S...

[ljkuipo]

Genesis1:1and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

King David said; Psalm 51:11Cast me not away from thy presence, and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Jesus said in John3:3, Verily, verily, i say unto thee, Except a man be born again he shall not see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Except a man be born of water(flesh) and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

You are spiritually dead unless you become born again in Christ Jesus.

Islam, no spirit, can't save you.

[almao2006]

What about the Council of Niceaa?

[vaea46]

listening too pastors - breakdown on trinity, has changed, from Jesus being God, to Jesus being partially God, now Jesus having the ESSENCE of God ??

The question that needs too be asked- Who do we worship - God or JESUS - because if you say worship Jesus, you break the 2nd commandment of the 10. -

2nd question i would like too ask - Are all 3 that are 1 - Equal - asper Jesus + Holy Spirit being the essence of God.

[tingclair]

the Christian perspective has never changed - Jesus Christ is fully God, sharing the exact essence, or substance of God. He is fully God and fully man.  The Bible has always upheld this.

[vaea46]

sfs

[vaea46]

If Jesus makes the difference between christians + muslims, and if christians say Jesus is God - then whats the difference if Muslim beleive in God. You christians say God is Jesus -so in your perspective, if Muslims worship God, then in your case he is worshipping Jesus ?? - But im glad we dont - Where has this word ESSENCE Come from - watching other trinity debates - or even when i was young, being raised in christian household, i have never heard this word ESSENCE - ??