The bible warns , if any one in the future comes to you and brings you messages from heaven , don't believe them , the devil can appear as an angel of light if he so chooses . Jesus said no-one would come from heaven till his return .
JESUS CHRIST IS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND GOD THE FATHER AND ST MARY IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND HER SON-CHRIST CONFIRMED BY VISIONARIES FOR 2000 YEARS.
GOD WANTS FAMILY NOT ROBOTS AND ALLOWS ST MARY AND ALL SAINTS AND ANGELS to HELP US!
SHE IS OUR MOTHER IN CHRIST AND BLESSED BY ALL GENERATIONS
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:1-17
If you want to see ACTUAL images, look up Zeitoun, Egypt (sightings from 1968 - 1972) & not anything after that because it's now either Project Blue Beam (NASA & Government) or demonic. Poured a WHOLE lotta time in regards to researching this phenomenon. Peace.
This is a deception and many more deceptions will occur. You are to read your Bible and to know that Jesus Christ is Savior and not the Virgin Mary. Our time is short on this earth and this is just a wake up call.
Não farás para ti imagem de escultura, nem alguma semelhança do que há em cima nos céus, nem em baixo na terra, nem nas águas debaixo da terra.
Não te encurvarás a elas nem as servirás; porque eu, o SENHOR teu Deus, sou Deus zeloso, que visito a iniqüidade dos pais nos filhos, até a terceira e quarta geração daqueles que me aborrecem.
E faço misericórdia a milhares dos que me amam e aos que guardam os meus mandamentos.
Please, brothers Christians, priests and followers of the Egyptian churches, note that we are in the twenty-first century. So please, do not propogate and promotion of (ignorance - lies - deceit - witchcraft - a fairy tale directed by demons - a fairy tale appearance of the Virgin Mary, Christ, the saints and the Cross - superstition - paganism) as it makes the outside world laughs on us, and this affect on the reputation of Egypt in abroad. Thanks.
And it came to pass, as HE spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice & said unto Him "Blessed" is the WOMB that BARE THEE & the Paps which THOU hast Sucked. But He Said "Yea rather, BLESSED are THEY that Hear the Word of GOD and KEEP IT"!
@Sindrake i like sindrake. lol why isnt the camera burning o god. what a eye.. lol man what if.. and this is a what if. the camera was out side the fire filming in? i know it sounds dumb but possible.. o god sindrake you are the high light to my night
@matty16666 I just cant understand A) in these real videos it never shows the camera pan away nor can you hear any audio of any relevance as to why the camera is being pointed in the direction of whatever they think they see.. B) Its always Pixelated video... C) The videos never last any longer to leave any trace of Evidence.. D) you would have to be on LSD to see anything in 11 seconds? All i see is Cigar shaped Possibly robed figure standing on the other side of a fire
A sighting is something you catch out of the corner of your eye, you could have walked up, shared a conversation about last nights dinner and given her a handshake in that time, obviously fake.
@NostalgiaGamerJS She's in hell Ah haha,. Good one,. I am an atheist so this is funny to me, but I do read the Bible Weird huh,. The bible says It will bring god to Anger when people pray to the queen of heaven,.. Maybe this sighting means that Mary has been Appointed the Queen of Heaven by Catholicism and this is her way of saying they are worshiping a demon... you think? I would like your input on this
@Sindrake I don't find it weird you read the bible. To have credible evidence against something, you must learn about it. That would be a good interpretation of this, but sadly this video is nothing more than a little doll figurine positioned weirdly so that it appears larger, and all the idiots who watch this video and say "Wow, that must be real!" have about as much brains in their head as the Sahara Desert contains water.
@NostalgiaGamerJS i still love you not saying that this is mother mary, but im saying you can see apparations just as real as that you can talk to them... stop playing minecraft and limiting yourself to a 2d reality
@033boston Looki't you, doing digging and all. I hate religious people, you're what the British call a Chav, and what I call a blight on the face of the earth. I do this for a hobby, like most people. I'd say playing games is more healthy that giving your live over to a priest who will probably fuck your child, and worship an invisible man you can't see. Plus... If you talk to apparitions, you're not having a religious experience, you should be put in a metal ward.
@NostalgiaGamerJS i am an atheist but i dont believe people who believe in god are mental? its their opinion on things? it makes me sick when people make fun of other people for religion. and for one thing you are very ignorant for saying things like the priest raping your son. thats a huge stereo type, also it is pretty healthy to the mind to have something to believe in. its a stress reliever.
WELL OK IM A B NOW WOW ILL PRAY FOR YOU N THAT YOU STOPBIENG SO RUDE TO PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT KNOWand i will have a good and long life becouse i dont and never will make fun of christianity god bless you and stop you from that rudeness 1person could change and it would make a big difference in the world cuz others would follow have a nice life dealing with the fact that you made fun of christians everywhere when it hits you you wont eat sleep or anything for a looooonnnngggg time god bless bye
I hope its real. Honestly to me it looks like a small statue was placed on the other side of a fire and the camera was near the ground at a low angle.
@candygirl6898 Why would you think I'm not rude? I never claimed to be a nice person, You don't like what I say, Then you really need to keep you words to yourself,You want to start some shit, Go right ahead because I will be more then happy to dish it right back at you, Other then that you need to keep your words to yourself
@candygirl6898 LMAO Maybe I am and maybe I'm not but you will always be a bitch, You have a great night and pleasant dreams and may you have a long life ahead of you, or not heh heh heh
How come every video claiming to see an apparition of the Virgin Mary is blurry as hell and looks like it was made by a fourth grader? It's just like Bigfoot... Unless... I GOT IT! The Virgin Mary is Bigfoot! The mystery has finally been solved.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
This video maker putting Lords Mother in Hell don't make such videos. She Blessed Woman of God. We should not worship her but we respect her and love her.
@ferdymecheng tosh-theres no such thing as god,dont be fooled by the propoganda,when your dead your dead-make the most of your life on earth-its the only one we get
@scilynx2, do you think there is a contradiction between Deut 30:11 & Acts 15:10? i absolutely do not! God's law is not a burden. In fact, if you do not LOVE God's commandments, you are not a Christian. After all, the New Covenant itself is that God will WRITE THE LAW ON OUR HEARTS & MINDS:
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel...I will put my laws into their mind, & write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God..."
@scilynx2, it is not surprising that you have read more bible verses during this debate, since RCism is not based on any bible truth, just the myths of pagans.
@scilynx2, Elijah went into the sky (whirlwinds don't go into outer space, nor to the heaven of God's throne) and came down to earth elsewhere, he wrote a letter from his refuge years later. Nowhere does it say Enoch went to heaven; it says he was translated (moved somewhere else) so he wouldn't be killed, as was Elijah. The idea that Enoch & Elijah are in heaven is a Jewish fable (Titus 1:14 "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.")
@scilynx2, 1 Cor 7:4 applies to EVERYONE who is married. Mary is neither above the law, nor sinless. The idea that you have that Mary is above law is lawlessness, iniquity.
@scilynx2, Paul claims to have been taught by Jesus for 3 years after the road to Damascus event.
Paul was not a Roman (though he was a roman citizen), he was of the tribe of Benjamin (Rom 11:1, Philippians 3:5). Of course Paul met the apostles! Haven't you read the new testament? He had a relationship with them from Acts 9:27-28 till he died. Where do you get your anti-Paul myths from? Paul was Pharisaic in the law (Philippians 3:5 "as touching the law, a Pharisee"). You're very wrong.
@scilynx2, if Mary was assumed into heaven, there would be a record of such an incredible event in the New Testament, rather we have testimony to the opposite:
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." (this also rules out the Enoch & Elijah ascension myths, neither Abraham--to whom the promises were made).
Acts 2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens" (Neither David)
@scilynx2, actually many scholars believe Matthew was written in 37 CE. I don't believe any authentic gospels were written 60 years later as that would be 90 CE and Christianity was almost completely extinct by then. John was the last original apostle and he would have been about 80-90 by then. Revelation was probably written near then and the Great Whore had already martyred many Christians and was politically active, ingratiating itself with the beast, the Roman Empire.
@scilynx2, and Joseph didn't "know" Mary until Jesus was born. But the difference with Mary is that Mary was still alive after Jesus was born and as a wife, her body belonged to her husband:
1 Corinthians 7:4
"The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."
Joseph took Mary & had several children. That is the testimony of the bible. Show me a scripture like Michal'sthat says
@scilynx2, i had a cursory look at the 95 thesis & was unimpressed. It shows how shallow & ridiculous "christianity" was then. If I wrote a list of the errors of either Lutherans or Catholics the list could run into thousands, all backed by scripture, especially since the RCC looks to scripture ONLY to do the OPPOSITE.
The RCC perspective never was in line with the bible, it was a Crishna not a Christ who was its lord. It got political sanction because it fused all of Rome's divided cults.
@scilynx2, as far as keeping the sabbath, look at Israel, it doesn't close its hospitals on sabbaths. If an ox falls in a pit on the sabbath, it is lawful to rescue it (Luke 14:5). It is lawful to do good on the sabbath (Luke 6:9
"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?")
But even the Jews reduce their essential workers numbers on the sabbath so that it can be hallowed.
@scilynx2, you didn't understand what i meant regarding rating yourself. I'm not surprised, it was difficult to squeeze my point into one comment field. I'll try again.
I meant that people who had done impressive things (prophesying, wonders, casting out devils) were REJECTED and called "doers of iniquity". Iniquity is lawlessness (not keeping Law). The Law includes the sabbath, and so, in conjunction with Psalm 111:10, sabbath-keeping is necessary to understand.
@scilynx2, no Jesus calls Mary "woman" because He never calls her "mother". Jesus is living His life on the spiritual level, where the mother is the church & His Father is God. You're focused on the 1st birth, Jesus is focused on the 2nd birth. When Nicodemus comes to Jesus, the first thing He tells him is that he must be born AGAIN, not by his mother, but by the spirit, changing from mortal flesh & literally becoming an immortal spirit being (1 Cor 15:53).
@scilynx2, actually you kept bringing up Michal, I just kept asking who you were referring to. I haven't read the story for many years, but it has nothing to do with Jesus & Mary. Michal denigrated David for his behavior and was punished for that. How does that relate to Jesus & Mary? It doesn't.
@scilynx2, show me a scripture where Mary is "pointing to Jesus"!
Let's focus on perspective here. Mary was a young woman. How much prestige does that get you in ancient Pharisaic Israel? Would the elders of her village look up to a young unmarried woman? How about when it became known that she was pregnant before she married Joseph? Jesus was (insinuatedly) called a bastard in John 8:41, where would that leave Mary? Mary was not respected.
@scilynx2, Luke 2 does not disagree with Matt about the whole family of three going to Egypt, read Matt 2:12-13 says they went back to Nazareth and then fled to Egypt. (Luke just doesn't mention the flight.)
Notice only 3 were in the family, Joseph did not have other children (until after he had the other 6+ kids with Mary).
By your "ranking" logic, Jesus would also be inferior to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc --> Mary because He descends from them. It just ain't so. Jesus is Lord and Master.
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."
Joseph outranks his wife Mary. Christ outranks the church.
The RCC states that Mary is the woman that represents the church, but that she is "Queen of Heaven" (stolen from Isis/Ashtoreth worship--Jer 44). The bible says Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, the King. Is Jesus just a Prince, beneath the Queen?
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."
Mary had an angel appear because she wouldn't have believed a dream saying she was pregnant with God's Son, or had to choose to bear Him. Joseph was showed more faith (reminds me of doubting Thomas who had to touch Jesus' wounds).
@scilynx2, Mary did die, her tomb is a pilgrimage site for the easterm "christians". google "tomb of mary" and you will find that in ancient times, roman catholic ideas were marginal, as the eastern "christians" were far more numerous. Read the article called "christmas" from the online catholic encyclopedia "New Advent" and find out how many different days of the year were regarded as Christ's birthday by the ignorance of those 1st (and all succeeding)centuries.
@scilynx2, RC videos are full of errors, you cannot stop them and correct them, they just go from one half-truth or blatant lie to another. the RCC was in control during the dark ages, and had plunged the world into darkness. Copies of manuscripts were still available to some, not everyone gave the "outlawed" texts to the RCC "authorities". That's one reason there were always "heretics" (some were the authentic Christians). Latin was not the only language bibles were available in.
@scilynx2, its not about "attending" services, it is about OBEYING God by NOT working. It says:
Exo 20:9-11
"6 days shalt you labor, & do all thy work: But the 7th day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son...thy manservant,...nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in 6 days the LORD made heaven & earth, the sea, & all that in them is, & rested the 7th day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, & HALLOWED it."
@scilynx2, keeping the sabbath is about recognizing that God "blessed and SANCTIFIED" that 24 hours each week and that you can either DISOBEY GOD to serve men, or SERVE GOD and disobey men. It is the test commandment and it is the one that truly identifies God:
@scilynx2, Go live in Israel then or among sabbath-keepers. Only sabbath-keepers OBEY God, only those who obey God are acceptible to God. Rate yourself: have you prophesied in God's name, worked miracles, or cast out demons?
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY."
@scilynx2, Jesus only identifies his disciples as His brethren, not His physical family nor anyone else. He never calls Mary "mother". Did you never notice that? He calls her "woman" in the only place where He "names" her (John 2:4). HE NEVER CALLS HER MOTHER. RCs DO NOT FOLLOW JESUS' EXAMPLE.
He doesn't identify Joseph as a parent either:
Luke 2:49 "wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"
Jesus PRACTICES His religion, human parents are replaced by church & God.
@scilynx2, i still don't know which Michal you are referring to.
The bible states that Mary had at least 6 other children. It also says that Joseph knew her after Jesus was born. You are burying your head in the sand. The origin of your belief in Mary's perpetual virginity is from paganism, not the bible which makes NO SUCH CLAIMS.
@scilynx2, the imagery of Mary "pointing" to Jesus is not biblical, it comes from iconography of Isis & Horus, the ancient Egyptian "Mary" & "Jesus" which was a very popular cult in Rome when RCism was being established as a state religion. Their inclusion was necessary to have a truly "universal" religion (one believed throughout the Empire, not just by a segment of the population). RCism is not Christianity, it is a blend of the pagan religions of ancient Rome, created to unify the Empire.
Mary was already subordinated below Joseph in 1st Matt. Joseph is also a bit character, & we don't even know what happened to him after 12-year-old Jesus. The deaths of Joseph & Mary are not worth reporting in scripture.
@scilynx2, yes it takes time to be a good teacher, but Christianity has been around for 2000 years, just not where people were told to look (RCism and its offshoots--daughters--Rev 17:5).
I have watched RC lies like the video you recommend, and they are MASSIVELY full of errors. The problem with long videos is they assert a lie and no one can challenge it, it just keeps moving to more lies.
Mary fulfilled her role giving birth, and plays NO SPIRITUAL role in the bible. Prove otherwise.
@scilynx2, if we are agreed about Psalm 111:10 then you should agree with the implication:
Those who do NOT keep the commandments DO NOT have a good understanding. Tell me, do you keep the sabbath? If you don't, you do cannot have a good understanding.
@scilynx2, have you ever heard the expression, "the Greeks had a word for it"? It refers to the richness of the ancient Greek language. You maintain that the word adelphoi can be translated brother or cousin, but the word used in the New Testament for cousin is "syngenis" (check Strong's Concordance (its online & free)).
Luke 1:36, "behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived ..."
The word "adelphi" is NOT used. Luke wrote in Greek, Luke wrote carefully (Luke 1:3-4).
@scilynx2, If Mary remained a virgin, THERE WOULD BE AN EXPLICIT STATEMENT in the bible, that those were NOT her children. Mary does not receive so much attention, PROVING that she is a bit player in the drama, like Salome, or a centurion.
If it were IMPORTANT she remain a virgin, it would be mentioned. Rather, she had 6+ children, like good mothers in those days, obeying "be fruitful & multiply".
@yewt , Yes. Mary and Joseph served their purposes well. After these, the Bible ceased to discuss about them. When nothing is written anymore in the holy scriptures, it would really be appropriate not to speculate.
@271828183141592654, Yes, Joseph is last mentioned when Jesus is 12 and identifies God as His Father (not Joseph), and Mary is never called "mother" by Jesus ANYWHERE in the bible.
NOWHERE in the bible (neither in gospels, Acts nor the epistles) is Mary called "Mother of God", "Queen of Heaven", "Theotokos" or even a saint. NO apostle describes her "ascension" to heaven nor an "assumption". That is super important to the RCC, but it wasn't reported because it just didn't happen.
@271828183141592654, And a VERY IMPORTANT point that is ignored by RCs about Mary's "assumption" is that the Acts, epistles & Revelation were written much later than the events described in the gospels. According the the catholic New Advent encyclopedia (free & online), (see "Assumption of Mary") the alleged event happened 3-15 years after Christ's assumption, well within the time of the events of Acts and most of the New Testament. The absence of a biblical mention PROVES it is a LIE.
@yewt Yes. What had to be written was written by the apostles. Your statement about the assumption "hits the nail on the head". How can such significant and "miraculous" event be missed by Paul? There are times when an event is repeatedly stated in the Bible. From the books of the old testaments, the birth, crucifixion, and death of Christ has been repeated by different authors. With Mary's death and assumption, it is a wonder why not a single line was dedicated if it were really that important.
@scilynx2, you really have to stop with your argument about "heos". Phone up the classical department at your nearest university and ask for a translation from the oldest Greek documents and you will find out that it means that Joseph waited to have sexual relations with Mary ONLY UNTIL Jesus was born. Your are exhibiting "classical" denial, pardon the pun, but this is a very SERIOUS matter and you are burying your head.
@scilynx2 , Thanks. Am enlightened. Here's another verse in the Bible which is written as translated. Matt 1:25 (KJV) And (Joseph) knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Of course, Joseph knows Mary. But why did he have to wait for the firstborn Jesus before he "knew" her. Cheers.
Mary has NOTHING to do with Christian brothers & sisters. There isn't even a biblical statement that Mary was a believer! She has NO spiritual role in the bible whatsoever. She is only a type of everyone's physical mother, New Jerusalem (the church) is the spiritual mother. Just as a man leaves his mother & father and cleaves to his wife (Gen 2:24), we leave our physical parents & cleave to the church, where we have a new Father & mother (Matt 23:9).
@scilynx2, usually it's the catholics with the "spam-labelling", i don't do it.
You can disagree if you like about the ark, but the facts are that the bible does not contradict itself. Part of Jesus's glory is that He has become the Mediator & He does not give His glory with another (Isa 42:8, 48:11)
"Intercessions" in 1 Tim 2 does not mean what you are talking about, the Greek is translated as meetings, conversations, coming together. It doesn't have the mystical meaning you're giving it.
@scilynx2, the only people who were Jesus's brethren (in the church) were His disciples as Jesus indicates when He POINTS to His disciples and says "Behold, my mother and my brethren" (Matt 12:46-50). Jesus dismisses Mary and her children from those positions in the same verses. That is the whole message of that passage (repeated in Mark 3, Luke 8). Jesus says Christians might HAVE TO give up family for Him (Matt 19:29, Matt 10:36).
@scilynx2, i find it hard to understand how you can try to keep your opinion regarding "till". It clearly says Joseph didn't touch her TILL she gave birth. I think if you ask 100 people at random, and told them that a fictitious husband didn't take a fictitious woman as his wife until she had given birth, they would pretty much ALL say that you were saying that he had sex with her afterward. We know from the bible that Joseph took her & had 5+ kids, whom the bible calls Jesus' siblings.
@scilynx2, it isn't a matter of attending church services, Christians are part of the body of Christ though they are scattered abroad over the surface of this world. But those hearing the ministers of God have access to accelerated learning because they draw upon the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of the bible, just as the Christians who ORIGINALLY received the epistles benefitted from the insights of the apostles.
@scilynx2, i don't agree that we get to choose what are symbolic and what are literal. We are to understand what the bible says, not what we think or want it to say. It can be daunting but those who keep the commandments have a good understanding, the basis of knowing the truth:
Psalm 111:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
@scilynx2, The Levitical priesthood is shown to have been a temporary institution in Hebrews. That book is mostly focused on the fact that Jesus has replaced it with an order of priesthood that Levi paid tithes to while "in the loins of Abraham" (Heb 7:5), a priesthood of unique beings (Heb 7:1-4 (notice especially 3-4)). The Levitical priesthood is NOT part of the 10 commandments, that is the INVIOLABLE LAW (Matt 5:18-19).
@scilynx2, Ah yes. Ain't it so convenient that the words "brothers and sisters" are commonly used in the religious sense. Anyway, is there any verse in the Bible that states that Mary lived a celibate life and did not have any other children other than Christ?
@scilynx2, though your comment is redundant, i was not the one who marked your comment as spam.
You're trying to draw a connection with Mary & the ark that has no validity. As i wrote before, if Mary were the ark of the covenant, because she bore Jesus, then He would have to be the covenant, but He is NOT a covenant, He is the MEDIATOR (the ONLY 1) of the covenant (Heb 8:6, 1 Tim 2:5).
"he is the mediator of a better covenant"
"...and ONE mediator between God & men, the man Christ Jesus"
@scilynx2, kissing does not make you one flesh! Gen 2:24 is absolutely refering to sexual coupling, which is why a marriage can be annulled unless it has been consumated.
Mary is not a virgin, she was only a virgin until Joseph took her AS A WIFE. Matt 1:25 clearly says Joseph KNEW her after Jesus was born, because it states that he WAITED until Jesus was born.
Mary is not an "ark" nor an "arc" ("arc" is a geometry term, meaning a piece of a circle).
@scilynx2, no i'm not a pastor nor minister--everyone in the church of God is very knowledgable and understanding of the bible. God has called us to know the truth and we have a good understanding because we keep His commandments:
Psalm 111:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that DO his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
The Sabbath is an amazing source of knowledge & understanding, which sabbath-breakers are cut off from.
@scilynx2, it is not up to people to decide what God's SYMBOLS mean, they are explained by God in the bible. God states that He does nothing without revealing it to His people first (Amos 3:7), so everything in the bible has a key.
1) Ancient Israel and Judah were called women (because they were congregations).
2) Jesus identifies His mother & brethren in Matt 12:49. His brethren (individuals), His mother (collectively). "Brethren" is a plural, "mother" is singular. 1 church, many members.
@scilynx2, what is "Exec 44:2"? There is no such book in the bible. The only time "gate of heaven" occurs in the bible is Gen 28:17 and refers to a place, not a person. Also if the gate refered to a person in the NT, it would be Jesus, not Mary, since He is the savior. But even so, Christians do NOT go to heaven. Jesus went to heaven because He CAME from heaven, read Eph 4:9, which says that only those who come FROM heaven can ascend to heaven. Read also Ps 115:16 and Matt 5:5.
@scilynx2, the idea that Mary is even figuratively the ark ("ark", not "arc") of the covenant is foolishness. You think she is an ark because she bore Jesus? That would mean Jesus was the covenant, but Jesus is NOT a covenant--He is the MEDIATOR of a covenant (Heb 8:6).
@yewt The ark of the covenant was only a physical container for the stone-written 10 commandments. Jesus Christ established the new covenant which dealt with so much more than what is only contained in the old covenant. Thy symbolism is not appropriate for Mary.
@271828183141592654, very true, the symbolism of the ark is NOT appropriate for Mary. Mary is only a type of everybody's physical mother, the one we are to leave behind if they become our enemy because of Christ:
Matt 10:36 "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matt 10:35 "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, & the daughter against her mother, & the daughter in law against her mother in law."
It is the 2nd birth that matters, not the 1st (John 3:7).
@yewt, Yes. This passage in the Bible mentions Christ's reaction towards Mary's insistence that He does something at the wedding feast. [ John 2:3-4 (KJV) And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.].
@271828183141592654, i don't see anything about Mary insisting anything at Cana. She mentions it, thinking Jesus would do something, probably because Jesus would have already had a lifetime track record of doing things to help people. The most important thing about that scripture is that Jesus does not call Mary "mother", He distances Himself from her by calling her, VERY IMPERSONALLY, "woman". Jesus ALWAYS ignores the "motherhood" of Mary, focusing on the SPIRITUAL mother instead, as WE should.
@scilynx2, the attributes of Isis are the ones that were given to the catholic "Mary". Isis was called Queen of Heaven, Mother of God, Mighty, Friend of sinners, Lady, she was the hearer of prayers, & also the goddess of the seas (Latin: Mare --> Maria).
The biblical Mary is never called any of these TITLES, & it is not even recorded whether she was a faithful Christian at her death. Pagan Rome blended all its gods & goddesses together to unify its cults into a UNIVERSAL (catholic) religion.
@scilynx2, the source of the mother goddess mythology is ancient Babylonia, the pagan religions of India, Egypt, the Middle East, Greece, Rome, etc all originate as variations from that original lie. There is only one mother goddess (a false goddess) but her worshippers worshipped her under different names and differences in ritual and myth. The Isis myth is the one that had the most power over the Roman Empire when RCism evolved.
@scilynx2, what scripture do you claim calls Mary a perpetual virgin? The phrase "Virgin Mary" does not occur in the bible. Nowhere is her virginity claimed to be intact after Jesus's birth.
@scilynx2, there is no scripture that says that mary remained a virgin. It only says, "behold a virgin will conceive". The miracle is that Mary was impregnated BY GOD, asexually, not that she refused to have sex with her HUSBAND Joseph. If she remained a virgin, why did she marry? Joseph was told not to fear to TAKE Mary as a WIFE (Matt 1:20). A man and a wife are ONE flesh (Gen 2:24).
@scilynx2, no Rev 12 refers to the church, not a human woman. You are thinking on an earthly level. Jesus became an immortal being before Mary died, clearly proving that Mary was not His spiritual mother. Jesus said His mother & brethren were those who heard & obeyed Him (Matt 12:47-50), & IGNORED His earthly mother who was INTERRUPTING Him.
Notice Gal 4:26:
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
A woman in bible symbolism is a group of people (Israel & Judah).
@scilynx2, the latin mass is irrelevant, the roman church is the religious tool of the beast. The beast was predicted to make war with the saints (Christians) and OVERCOME them, going on to rule the world, as actually happened:
Revelation 13:7
"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
It is only at Christ's return that the beast is destroyed (Rev 19:20).
@scilynx2, your supposition that Mary is a "gate of heaven" is not biblical. There is NO gate of heaven. Christians are rewarded by everlasting life ON EARTH (The meek shall inherit the earth--Matt 5:5). God Himself is coming to dwell with men on earth (Rev 21:2, 3-4, 10, 22). The belief in going to heaven is stolen from paganism.
@scilynx2, the facts are that in order to fulfill the scripture, a virgin needed to be impregnated, not that a woman needed to remain a virgin all her life. You are asserting something which is not stated ANYWHERE in the bible. You are asserting something which is ABSOLUTELY a doctrine of paganism where temple prostitutes remained "virgins", where slutty goddesses remained "virgins". The origin of your belief is paganism, incorporated into "Christianity" to lure the goddess worshippers.
@scilynx2, "heos" means the same thing that "Till" means. Joseph knew not Mary UNTIL Jesus was born, then she bore at least 6 siblings. She did not do that without sex. Were the children from a previous marriage of Joseph's? No, because when the angel warned the young family that Herod sought to kill Jesus only Jesus, Joseph & Mary fled to Egypt. That is, there were no other members of the family (Matt 2:13-14).
@scilynx2, let me elaborate then about obeying. If you are a moslem, but your child wants to be a Chrisian, how does your child keep the commandment? If your child had to obey you (who would command him to stop all "foolish talk" about Christianity), he would be disobeying the Father AND dishonoring Him.
@scilynx2, No Mary is not mentioned at all in Rev 12. The woman in that scripture is the church and the birth of Jesus in that is not His first (earthly) birth, but His 2nd birth (the resurrection and ascension to everlasting spirit life). Jesus teaches about 2 births (John 3), and we must be born again (verse 7). This 2nd birth is NOT what protestants talk about, which is just a religious experience, it is the literal transformation from flesh to spirit beings (1 Cor 15:51, 50, Job 14:14)
@scilynx2, latin is irrelevant to the translation of the bible. Latin bibles should never be used in any modern translation because no biblical document was ever written in Latin. Latin became an "important" religious language only because the beast (the Roman Empire) always promoted the Latin language & because the Roman (false) church needed to move away from the authentic scriptures. Monks are a big source of superstition & error, the central pillar of their lives is error (John 17:15).
@scilynx2, i am not attacking you, i am merely pointing out what the bible says about people who believe what you believe. Your "fate" can change if you repent, otherwise you will perish.
Luke 13:5
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
The ancient Israelites did not repent of worshipping their "Queen of Heaven" and were expelled from the Holy Land. So also, those who continue to worship the "Queen of Heaven" will not enter the Kingdom of God.
@scilynx2, Joseph knew not Mary up to the point that Jesus was born. Your argument does not serve you. He took her afterward, otherwise the marriage was not valid. He took her afterward, otherwise she could not have had Jesus's brothers and sisters:
Mark 6:3
"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him."
2 Corinthians 11:14 is all you need to know.
Bkeytx 1 month ago
The bible warns , if any one in the future comes to you and brings you messages from heaven , don't believe them , the devil can appear as an angel of light if he so chooses . Jesus said no-one would come from heaven till his return .
KillerGuitar70 2 months ago
@KillerGuitar70 AMEN TO THAT,,,CATHOLICS ARE DECIEVED AND LOST. UNBIBLICAL ANTICHRIST RELIGION.
douglasdolly 1 month ago
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If two of the 10 Commandments in the Bible say:
1. Do not worship any other gods.
2. Do not idolize or make idols.
Then why do so many Catholic churches worship the saints and possess of statues which people do pray and give worship to (idolatry).
The only ones who are to be worshipped are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
TheNoisePolluter 2 months ago
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JESUS CHRIST IS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND GOD THE FATHER AND ST MARY IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND HER SON-CHRIST CONFIRMED BY VISIONARIES FOR 2000 YEARS.
GOD WANTS FAMILY NOT ROBOTS AND ALLOWS ST MARY AND ALL SAINTS AND ANGELS to HELP US!
SHE IS OUR MOTHER IN CHRIST AND BLESSED BY ALL GENERATIONS
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev. 12:1-17
JezusSlave 2 months ago
If you want to see ACTUAL images, look up Zeitoun, Egypt (sightings from 1968 - 1972) & not anything after that because it's now either Project Blue Beam (NASA & Government) or demonic. Poured a WHOLE lotta time in regards to researching this phenomenon. Peace.
Kazyman 2 months ago
That's not Mary...that is a demon. Sorry to burst bubbles...but the facts or facts.
MrRunningwolfe 3 months ago
BURN THE WITCH!
revjimbob 3 months ago
Hard to believe when she never existed in the first place
flower5890 3 months ago
This is a deception and many more deceptions will occur. You are to read your Bible and to know that Jesus Christ is Savior and not the Virgin Mary. Our time is short on this earth and this is just a wake up call.
ISurvivedOaklandCo 3 months ago
I thought burning women who are thought to be witches is illegal nowaday
DracosMaster 4 months ago 2
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segundo mandamento:
Não farás para ti imagem de escultura, nem alguma semelhança do que há em cima nos céus, nem em baixo na terra, nem nas águas debaixo da terra.
Não te encurvarás a elas nem as servirás; porque eu, o SENHOR teu Deus, sou Deus zeloso, que visito a iniqüidade dos pais nos filhos, até a terceira e quarta geração daqueles que me aborrecem.
E faço misericórdia a milhares dos que me amam e aos que guardam os meus mandamentos.
Exodo 20
8sacramento8 4 months ago
Virgin? She didn't die a virgin.
LegionIscariot 4 months ago
omg you need to shut up ok
dogs869dansjet 5 months ago
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Please, brothers Christians, priests and followers of the Egyptian churches, note that we are in the twenty-first century. So please, do not propogate and promotion of (ignorance - lies - deceit - witchcraft - a fairy tale directed by demons - a fairy tale appearance of the Virgin Mary, Christ, the saints and the Cross - superstition - paganism) as it makes the outside world laughs on us, and this affect on the reputation of Egypt in abroad. Thanks.
man9max 6 months ago
yah y is she on fire n this is such a fake!
BlackMagicWolves 6 months ago
You are certainly dumb!!!! I am sad for you, I have pity
mreinstein48 6 months ago
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radiance207 6 months ago
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JESUS rebukes mary worship
Luke 11:27,28
And it came to pass, as HE spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice & said unto Him "Blessed" is the WOMB that BARE THEE & the Paps which THOU hast Sucked. But He Said "Yea rather, BLESSED are THEY that Hear the Word of GOD and KEEP IT"!
1978dagreat 6 months ago
help me obi wan, your my only hope....
JunglistJeff 7 months ago 13
@JunglistJeff "Get her back, play back the entire message!"
matthewakian2 3 months ago
NICE TRY
Cldfsn0200 7 months ago
virgin mary is on fire!cant u do sumthing?!!!!lol...wtf is wrong with ppl this day?
takirah00 7 months ago
Buy Bull Lies.
MrJohnnyrace 7 months ago
@MrJohnnyrace Spelling problem.. It's Bible, not Buy Bull
ChristopherOwns 7 months ago
@ChristopherOwns Its the way it should be spelled. All the Bull.
MrJohnnyrace 7 months ago
Story of Mary in the Qur'an
/watch?v=f7blDG8kxAE
hijazi02 8 months ago
Yessssss, shes burnin!!!!!!1 >:]
projectpk1 9 months ago
@projectpk1 UNHOLY.
BreeneRox 8 months ago
you didnt have to burn her )):
TheRealHanNgo 9 months ago 4
Why the hell can you only see her through fire? hmmmmm
And why isn't the camera burning for that matter?
FAKE ass Fake LMAO
Sindrake 10 months ago
@Sindrake Actually, it's the branch that looks like her. It's an illusion.
Libramoon77 10 months ago
@Sindrake i like sindrake. lol why isnt the camera burning o god. what a eye.. lol man what if.. and this is a what if. the camera was out side the fire filming in? i know it sounds dumb but possible.. o god sindrake you are the high light to my night
matty16666 10 months ago
@matty16666 I just cant understand A) in these real videos it never shows the camera pan away nor can you hear any audio of any relevance as to why the camera is being pointed in the direction of whatever they think they see.. B) Its always Pixelated video... C) The videos never last any longer to leave any trace of Evidence.. D) you would have to be on LSD to see anything in 11 seconds? All i see is Cigar shaped Possibly robed figure standing on the other side of a fire
Sindrake 10 months ago
oh, so marry is in hell now?.....
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TheAussieCaveMan 10 months ago
@TheAussieCaveMan where?
033boston 10 months ago
A sighting is something you catch out of the corner of your eye, you could have walked up, shared a conversation about last nights dinner and given her a handshake in that time, obviously fake.
NostalgiaGamerJS 11 months ago
@NostalgiaGamerJS no sorry but your wrong..
033boston 10 months ago
@033boston Well then, this must be a bad sign for you, Mother Mary is obviously in HELL. Actually, never mind, it fits perfectly.
NostalgiaGamerJS 10 months ago
@NostalgiaGamerJS She's in hell Ah haha,. Good one,. I am an atheist so this is funny to me, but I do read the Bible Weird huh,. The bible says It will bring god to Anger when people pray to the queen of heaven,.. Maybe this sighting means that Mary has been Appointed the Queen of Heaven by Catholicism and this is her way of saying they are worshiping a demon... you think? I would like your input on this
Sindrake 10 months ago
@Sindrake I don't find it weird you read the bible. To have credible evidence against something, you must learn about it. That would be a good interpretation of this, but sadly this video is nothing more than a little doll figurine positioned weirdly so that it appears larger, and all the idiots who watch this video and say "Wow, that must be real!" have about as much brains in their head as the Sahara Desert contains water.
NostalgiaGamerJS 10 months ago
@Sindrake you're completely right. demons seek worship and they perform lying wonders to receive it.
pretty discerning for an atheist, maybe you should think about going into ministry ....
carolannej2 9 months ago
@NostalgiaGamerJS i still love you not saying that this is mother mary, but im saying you can see apparations just as real as that you can talk to them... stop playing minecraft and limiting yourself to a 2d reality
033boston 10 months ago
@033boston Looki't you, doing digging and all. I hate religious people, you're what the British call a Chav, and what I call a blight on the face of the earth. I do this for a hobby, like most people. I'd say playing games is more healthy that giving your live over to a priest who will probably fuck your child, and worship an invisible man you can't see. Plus... If you talk to apparitions, you're not having a religious experience, you should be put in a metal ward.
NostalgiaGamerJS 10 months ago
@NostalgiaGamerJS i hear ya, but look up 5th dimension, ill send you a link to a channel bro it deals with meta physics
033boston 10 months ago
@NostalgiaGamerJS i am an atheist but i dont believe people who believe in god are mental? its their opinion on things? it makes me sick when people make fun of other people for religion. and for one thing you are very ignorant for saying things like the priest raping your son. thats a huge stereo type, also it is pretty healthy to the mind to have something to believe in. its a stress reliever.
matty16666 10 months ago
@matty16666 oh no... they are mental LMAO just read my inbox LMAO
Sindrake 10 months ago
crap; soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fake you idiots
ronldino10 11 months ago
i threw a Mary with the cherry statue in a fire and it had the same effect.
john34841 11 months ago
Get out of that fire Mary, you are a person, and a fire is no place for you, you will get burnt.
FemptMurderOrgy666 11 months ago
.... rude and lame, you have nothing better to do..
nickely 1 year ago
mary with a cherry, haha
sgplayer1987 1 year ago
@sgplayer1987 the virgin mary is NOT referred as "The Mary With The Cherry"
lmao!
i was gonna write that too XD
blinkgurl2 11 months ago
you're just standing there
painlessissuicide 1 year ago
WELL OK IM A B NOW WOW ILL PRAY FOR YOU N THAT YOU STOPBIENG SO RUDE TO PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT KNOWand i will have a good and long life becouse i dont and never will make fun of christianity god bless you and stop you from that rudeness 1person could change and it would make a big difference in the world cuz others would follow have a nice life dealing with the fact that you made fun of christians everywhere when it hits you you wont eat sleep or anything for a looooonnnngggg time god bless bye
candygirl6898 1 year ago
I hope its real. Honestly to me it looks like a small statue was placed on the other side of a fire and the camera was near the ground at a low angle.
N0TS0SUBTLE 1 year ago
Looks like Mary is in hell. Maybe she had an argument with her son. LOL
TheQuindecillion 1 year ago
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executiveassistant64 1 year ago
why the fuck would she appear in the middle of a damn fire!? she appears in a Church!
Medcardie 1 year ago 2
Virgin Mary ? I did her
NB5BHVL 1 year ago
@NB5BHVL not funny
patarbot 1 year ago
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I did do her ! I am Jesus father "GOD"
NB5BHVL 1 year ago
@patarbot Yes it is
mickeyboosh87 1 year ago
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NB5BHVL 1 year ago
@NB5BHVL NOTcool!! >:(
candygirl6898 1 year ago
@candygirl6898 LMAO Yea it is I think it's Hilarious
NB5BHVL 1 year ago
@NB5BHVL your so freaking rude whats wit u
candygirl6898 1 year ago
@candygirl6898 Why would you think I'm not rude? I never claimed to be a nice person, You don't like what I say, Then you really need to keep you words to yourself,You want to start some shit, Go right ahead because I will be more then happy to dish it right back at you, Other then that you need to keep your words to yourself
NB5BHVL 1 year ago
@NB5BHVL whatever ur just another retard that im NOT dealing with
candygirl6898 1 year ago
@candygirl6898 LMAO Maybe I am and maybe I'm not but you will always be a bitch, You have a great night and pleasant dreams and may you have a long life ahead of you, or not heh heh heh
NB5BHVL 1 year ago
How come every video claiming to see an apparition of the Virgin Mary is blurry as hell and looks like it was made by a fourth grader? It's just like Bigfoot... Unless... I GOT IT! The Virgin Mary is Bigfoot! The mystery has finally been solved.
MrsCleaversBeaver 1 year ago
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:14 (KJV)
rickydepths1 1 year ago
@rickydepths1 Can You Explain To Me What That MEans?
kimloveshim911 9 months ago
What is Mary doing in Hell?
gregrutz 1 year ago
Although i do not believe what Motormadhead13 has said, i do not believe this to be real
samjisi 1 year ago
@samjisi it's fake lol. I could do that with shitty camera + drunk friend + camp fire.
hunterto99 1 year ago
@hunterto99 Sorta as i said
samjisi 1 year ago
Hail Mary!
PT1231 1 year ago
I love and respect Mariam the mother of Jesus. She is connect to Jesus.
IloveJesusMaryJoseph 1 year ago
All those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE VIRGIN, produces the Devil and is trying to CHARGED AIRETIC FOR THEIR VIEWS!! PANAGIA MOU!!
Erythraios 1 year ago
@Erythraios your a idiot
markydallimore 1 year ago
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Erythraios 1 year ago
@markydallimore Marky, Marky... you are only 15 years old... dont swear..
Erythraios 1 year ago
@Erythraios shit
markydallimore 1 year ago
This video maker putting Lords Mother in Hell don't make such videos. She Blessed Woman of God. We should not worship her but we respect her and love her.
ferdymecheng 1 year ago
@ferdymecheng tosh-theres no such thing as god,dont be fooled by the propoganda,when your dead your dead-make the most of your life on earth-its the only one we get
motormadhead13 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i don't know the extent of Paul's interaction with Jesus, but he heard Jesus on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-8).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, do you think there is a contradiction between Deut 30:11 & Acts 15:10? i absolutely do not! God's law is not a burden. In fact, if you do not LOVE God's commandments, you are not a Christian. After all, the New Covenant itself is that God will WRITE THE LAW ON OUR HEARTS & MINDS:
Heb 8:10
"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel...I will put my laws into their mind, & write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God..."
The law is permanent.
yewt 1 year ago
I agree.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@scilynx2, it is not surprising that you have read more bible verses during this debate, since RCism is not based on any bible truth, just the myths of pagans.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Elijah went into the sky (whirlwinds don't go into outer space, nor to the heaven of God's throne) and came down to earth elsewhere, he wrote a letter from his refuge years later. Nowhere does it say Enoch went to heaven; it says he was translated (moved somewhere else) so he wouldn't be killed, as was Elijah. The idea that Enoch & Elijah are in heaven is a Jewish fable (Titus 1:14 "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.")
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, 1 Cor 7:4 applies to EVERYONE who is married. Mary is neither above the law, nor sinless. The idea that you have that Mary is above law is lawlessness, iniquity.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the scripture doesn't say "Mary didn't have children until Jesus was born", it says Joseph didn't KNOW HER (have sex) until Jesus was born.
Matt 1:25 "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Paul claims to have been taught by Jesus for 3 years after the road to Damascus event.
Paul was not a Roman (though he was a roman citizen), he was of the tribe of Benjamin (Rom 11:1, Philippians 3:5). Of course Paul met the apostles! Haven't you read the new testament? He had a relationship with them from Acts 9:27-28 till he died. Where do you get your anti-Paul myths from? Paul was Pharisaic in the law (Philippians 3:5 "as touching the law, a Pharisee"). You're very wrong.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, if Mary was assumed into heaven, there would be a record of such an incredible event in the New Testament, rather we have testimony to the opposite:
John 3:13
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." (this also rules out the Enoch & Elijah ascension myths, neither Abraham--to whom the promises were made).
Acts 2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens" (Neither David)
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, actually many scholars believe Matthew was written in 37 CE. I don't believe any authentic gospels were written 60 years later as that would be 90 CE and Christianity was almost completely extinct by then. John was the last original apostle and he would have been about 80-90 by then. Revelation was probably written near then and the Great Whore had already martyred many Christians and was politically active, ingratiating itself with the beast, the Roman Empire.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, and Joseph didn't "know" Mary until Jesus was born. But the difference with Mary is that Mary was still alive after Jesus was born and as a wife, her body belonged to her husband:
1 Corinthians 7:4
"The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."
Joseph took Mary & had several children. That is the testimony of the bible. Show me a scripture like Michal'sthat says
"Mary remained a virgin"
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2 WTM = "whatever that means".
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i had a cursory look at the 95 thesis & was unimpressed. It shows how shallow & ridiculous "christianity" was then. If I wrote a list of the errors of either Lutherans or Catholics the list could run into thousands, all backed by scripture, especially since the RCC looks to scripture ONLY to do the OPPOSITE.
The RCC perspective never was in line with the bible, it was a Crishna not a Christ who was its lord. It got political sanction because it fused all of Rome's divided cults.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, as far as keeping the sabbath, look at Israel, it doesn't close its hospitals on sabbaths. If an ox falls in a pit on the sabbath, it is lawful to rescue it (Luke 14:5). It is lawful to do good on the sabbath (Luke 6:9
"Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?")
But even the Jews reduce their essential workers numbers on the sabbath so that it can be hallowed.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, you didn't understand what i meant regarding rating yourself. I'm not surprised, it was difficult to squeeze my point into one comment field. I'll try again.
I meant that people who had done impressive things (prophesying, wonders, casting out devils) were REJECTED and called "doers of iniquity". Iniquity is lawlessness (not keeping Law). The Law includes the sabbath, and so, in conjunction with Psalm 111:10, sabbath-keeping is necessary to understand.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, no Jesus calls Mary "woman" because He never calls her "mother". Jesus is living His life on the spiritual level, where the mother is the church & His Father is God. You're focused on the 1st birth, Jesus is focused on the 2nd birth. When Nicodemus comes to Jesus, the first thing He tells him is that he must be born AGAIN, not by his mother, but by the spirit, changing from mortal flesh & literally becoming an immortal spirit being (1 Cor 15:53).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, actually you kept bringing up Michal, I just kept asking who you were referring to. I haven't read the story for many years, but it has nothing to do with Jesus & Mary. Michal denigrated David for his behavior and was punished for that. How does that relate to Jesus & Mary? It doesn't.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, show me a scripture where Mary is "pointing to Jesus"!
Let's focus on perspective here. Mary was a young woman. How much prestige does that get you in ancient Pharisaic Israel? Would the elders of her village look up to a young unmarried woman? How about when it became known that she was pregnant before she married Joseph? Jesus was (insinuatedly) called a bastard in John 8:41, where would that leave Mary? Mary was not respected.
So who'd care if she "pointed to Jesus"? WTM.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Luke 2 does not disagree with Matt about the whole family of three going to Egypt, read Matt 2:12-13 says they went back to Nazareth and then fled to Egypt. (Luke just doesn't mention the flight.)
Notice only 3 were in the family, Joseph did not have other children (until after he had the other 6+ kids with Mary).
By your "ranking" logic, Jesus would also be inferior to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc --> Mary because He descends from them. It just ain't so. Jesus is Lord and Master.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, let's return to this rich scripture:
Eph 5:23
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."
Joseph outranks his wife Mary. Christ outranks the church.
The RCC states that Mary is the woman that represents the church, but that she is "Queen of Heaven" (stolen from Isis/Ashtoreth worship--Jer 44). The bible says Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, the King. Is Jesus just a Prince, beneath the Queen?
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Mary didn't outrank her husband. The husband is the head of the wife:
Ephesians 5:23
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."
Mary had an angel appear because she wouldn't have believed a dream saying she was pregnant with God's Son, or had to choose to bear Him. Joseph was showed more faith (reminds me of doubting Thomas who had to touch Jesus' wounds).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Mary did die, her tomb is a pilgrimage site for the easterm "christians". google "tomb of mary" and you will find that in ancient times, roman catholic ideas were marginal, as the eastern "christians" were far more numerous. Read the article called "christmas" from the online catholic encyclopedia "New Advent" and find out how many different days of the year were regarded as Christ's birthday by the ignorance of those 1st (and all succeeding)centuries.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, RC videos are full of errors, you cannot stop them and correct them, they just go from one half-truth or blatant lie to another. the RCC was in control during the dark ages, and had plunged the world into darkness. Copies of manuscripts were still available to some, not everyone gave the "outlawed" texts to the RCC "authorities". That's one reason there were always "heretics" (some were the authentic Christians). Latin was not the only language bibles were available in.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, its not about "attending" services, it is about OBEYING God by NOT working. It says:
Exo 20:9-11
"6 days shalt you labor, & do all thy work: But the 7th day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son...thy manservant,...nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in 6 days the LORD made heaven & earth, the sea, & all that in them is, & rested the 7th day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, & HALLOWED it."
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, keeping the sabbath is about recognizing that God "blessed and SANCTIFIED" that 24 hours each week and that you can either DISOBEY GOD to serve men, or SERVE GOD and disobey men. It is the test commandment and it is the one that truly identifies God:
Ezek 20:20
"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD." Your catholic god is not God.
True Christians were martyred for KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS (Rev 12:17).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Go live in Israel then or among sabbath-keepers. Only sabbath-keepers OBEY God, only those who obey God are acceptible to God. Rate yourself: have you prophesied in God's name, worked miracles, or cast out demons?
Matt 7:22-24
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY."
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Jesus only identifies his disciples as His brethren, not His physical family nor anyone else. He never calls Mary "mother". Did you never notice that? He calls her "woman" in the only place where He "names" her (John 2:4). HE NEVER CALLS HER MOTHER. RCs DO NOT FOLLOW JESUS' EXAMPLE.
He doesn't identify Joseph as a parent either:
Luke 2:49 "wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"
Jesus PRACTICES His religion, human parents are replaced by church & God.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i still don't know which Michal you are referring to.
The bible states that Mary had at least 6 other children. It also says that Joseph knew her after Jesus was born. You are burying your head in the sand. The origin of your belief in Mary's perpetual virginity is from paganism, not the bible which makes NO SUCH CLAIMS.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the imagery of Mary "pointing" to Jesus is not biblical, it comes from iconography of Isis & Horus, the ancient Egyptian "Mary" & "Jesus" which was a very popular cult in Rome when RCism was being established as a state religion. Their inclusion was necessary to have a truly "universal" religion (one believed throughout the Empire, not just by a segment of the population). RCism is not Christianity, it is a blend of the pagan religions of ancient Rome, created to unify the Empire.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Mary had ONE contact with an angel, when Gabriel told her she was to bear Jesus. After that, Joseph is the contact by angel through dreams:
1) to take Mary as his wife (Matt 1:20).
2) when told to flee into Egypt (Matt 2:13).
3) when safe to return (Matt 2:19)
Mary was already subordinated below Joseph in 1st Matt. Joseph is also a bit character, & we don't even know what happened to him after 12-year-old Jesus. The deaths of Joseph & Mary are not worth reporting in scripture.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, yes it takes time to be a good teacher, but Christianity has been around for 2000 years, just not where people were told to look (RCism and its offshoots--daughters--Rev 17:5).
I have watched RC lies like the video you recommend, and they are MASSIVELY full of errors. The problem with long videos is they assert a lie and no one can challenge it, it just keeps moving to more lies.
Mary fulfilled her role giving birth, and plays NO SPIRITUAL role in the bible. Prove otherwise.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, if we are agreed about Psalm 111:10 then you should agree with the implication:
Those who do NOT keep the commandments DO NOT have a good understanding. Tell me, do you keep the sabbath? If you don't, you do cannot have a good understanding.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i don't know what you are referring to when you write:
" & when Miriam points through to Jesus?"
this is a vague fragment, not a complete sentence.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, have you ever heard the expression, "the Greeks had a word for it"? It refers to the richness of the ancient Greek language. You maintain that the word adelphoi can be translated brother or cousin, but the word used in the New Testament for cousin is "syngenis" (check Strong's Concordance (its online & free)).
Luke 1:36, "behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived ..."
The word "adelphi" is NOT used. Luke wrote in Greek, Luke wrote carefully (Luke 1:3-4).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, If Mary remained a virgin, THERE WOULD BE AN EXPLICIT STATEMENT in the bible, that those were NOT her children. Mary does not receive so much attention, PROVING that she is a bit player in the drama, like Salome, or a centurion.
If it were IMPORTANT she remain a virgin, it would be mentioned. Rather, she had 6+ children, like good mothers in those days, obeying "be fruitful & multiply".
The bible nowhere calls her "virgin Mary".
Never are her offspring said to not be hers.
yewt 1 year ago
@yewt , Yes. Mary and Joseph served their purposes well. After these, the Bible ceased to discuss about them. When nothing is written anymore in the holy scriptures, it would really be appropriate not to speculate.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@271828183141592654, Yes, Joseph is last mentioned when Jesus is 12 and identifies God as His Father (not Joseph), and Mary is never called "mother" by Jesus ANYWHERE in the bible.
NOWHERE in the bible (neither in gospels, Acts nor the epistles) is Mary called "Mother of God", "Queen of Heaven", "Theotokos" or even a saint. NO apostle describes her "ascension" to heaven nor an "assumption". That is super important to the RCC, but it wasn't reported because it just didn't happen.
yewt 1 year ago
@271828183141592654, And a VERY IMPORTANT point that is ignored by RCs about Mary's "assumption" is that the Acts, epistles & Revelation were written much later than the events described in the gospels. According the the catholic New Advent encyclopedia (free & online), (see "Assumption of Mary") the alleged event happened 3-15 years after Christ's assumption, well within the time of the events of Acts and most of the New Testament. The absence of a biblical mention PROVES it is a LIE.
yewt 1 year ago
@yewt Yes. What had to be written was written by the apostles. Your statement about the assumption "hits the nail on the head". How can such significant and "miraculous" event be missed by Paul? There are times when an event is repeatedly stated in the Bible. From the books of the old testaments, the birth, crucifixion, and death of Christ has been repeated by different authors. With Mary's death and assumption, it is a wonder why not a single line was dedicated if it were really that important.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@scilynx2, you really have to stop with your argument about "heos". Phone up the classical department at your nearest university and ask for a translation from the oldest Greek documents and you will find out that it means that Joseph waited to have sexual relations with Mary ONLY UNTIL Jesus was born. Your are exhibiting "classical" denial, pardon the pun, but this is a very SERIOUS matter and you are burying your head.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2 , Thanks. Am enlightened. Here's another verse in the Bible which is written as translated. Matt 1:25 (KJV) And (Joseph) knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Of course, Joseph knows Mary. But why did he have to wait for the firstborn Jesus before he "knew" her. Cheers.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Michal? Saul's daughter Michal?
Mary has NOTHING to do with Christian brothers & sisters. There isn't even a biblical statement that Mary was a believer! She has NO spiritual role in the bible whatsoever. She is only a type of everyone's physical mother, New Jerusalem (the church) is the spiritual mother. Just as a man leaves his mother & father and cleaves to his wife (Gen 2:24), we leave our physical parents & cleave to the church, where we have a new Father & mother (Matt 23:9).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, usually it's the catholics with the "spam-labelling", i don't do it.
You can disagree if you like about the ark, but the facts are that the bible does not contradict itself. Part of Jesus's glory is that He has become the Mediator & He does not give His glory with another (Isa 42:8, 48:11)
"Intercessions" in 1 Tim 2 does not mean what you are talking about, the Greek is translated as meetings, conversations, coming together. It doesn't have the mystical meaning you're giving it.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the only people who were Jesus's brethren (in the church) were His disciples as Jesus indicates when He POINTS to His disciples and says "Behold, my mother and my brethren" (Matt 12:46-50). Jesus dismisses Mary and her children from those positions in the same verses. That is the whole message of that passage (repeated in Mark 3, Luke 8). Jesus says Christians might HAVE TO give up family for Him (Matt 19:29, Matt 10:36).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i find it hard to understand how you can try to keep your opinion regarding "till". It clearly says Joseph didn't touch her TILL she gave birth. I think if you ask 100 people at random, and told them that a fictitious husband didn't take a fictitious woman as his wife until she had given birth, they would pretty much ALL say that you were saying that he had sex with her afterward. We know from the bible that Joseph took her & had 5+ kids, whom the bible calls Jesus' siblings.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, ask a Hebrew-speaker what "one flesh" means. There is no chance it means anything other than copulation.
Of course Adam's children mated with each other, there was no choice and so it was not sin. God intended that all men descend from one man (Acts 17:26
"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth"
Leviticus comes into play much later, when there are choices, to protect against genetic disease.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, it isn't a matter of attending church services, Christians are part of the body of Christ though they are scattered abroad over the surface of this world. But those hearing the ministers of God have access to accelerated learning because they draw upon the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of the bible, just as the Christians who ORIGINALLY received the epistles benefitted from the insights of the apostles.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i don't agree that we get to choose what are symbolic and what are literal. We are to understand what the bible says, not what we think or want it to say. It can be daunting but those who keep the commandments have a good understanding, the basis of knowing the truth:
Psalm 111:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, As for Ezek 44:2, the gate has NOTHING to do with Mary. The temple is a type of New Jerusalem:
Rev 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
The church is the bride of Christ:
Ephesians 5:24-26
"Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their OWN husbands in every thing."
The entrance (gate) to the church is through Christ, not Mary (Matt 7:13-14, John 14:6).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, The Levitical priesthood is shown to have been a temporary institution in Hebrews. That book is mostly focused on the fact that Jesus has replaced it with an order of priesthood that Levi paid tithes to while "in the loins of Abraham" (Heb 7:5), a priesthood of unique beings (Heb 7:1-4 (notice especially 3-4)). The Levitical priesthood is NOT part of the 10 commandments, that is the INVIOLABLE LAW (Matt 5:18-19).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Ah yes. Ain't it so convenient that the words "brothers and sisters" are commonly used in the religious sense. Anyway, is there any verse in the Bible that states that Mary lived a celibate life and did not have any other children other than Christ?
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@scilynx2, though your comment is redundant, i was not the one who marked your comment as spam.
You're trying to draw a connection with Mary & the ark that has no validity. As i wrote before, if Mary were the ark of the covenant, because she bore Jesus, then He would have to be the covenant, but He is NOT a covenant, He is the MEDIATOR (the ONLY 1) of the covenant (Heb 8:6, 1 Tim 2:5).
"he is the mediator of a better covenant"
"...and ONE mediator between God & men, the man Christ Jesus"
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, kissing does not make you one flesh! Gen 2:24 is absolutely refering to sexual coupling, which is why a marriage can be annulled unless it has been consumated.
Mary is not a virgin, she was only a virgin until Joseph took her AS A WIFE. Matt 1:25 clearly says Joseph KNEW her after Jesus was born, because it states that he WAITED until Jesus was born.
Mary is not an "ark" nor an "arc" ("arc" is a geometry term, meaning a piece of a circle).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, no i'm not a pastor nor minister--everyone in the church of God is very knowledgable and understanding of the bible. God has called us to know the truth and we have a good understanding because we keep His commandments:
Psalm 111:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that DO his commandments: his praise endureth for ever."
The Sabbath is an amazing source of knowledge & understanding, which sabbath-breakers are cut off from.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, it is not up to people to decide what God's SYMBOLS mean, they are explained by God in the bible. God states that He does nothing without revealing it to His people first (Amos 3:7), so everything in the bible has a key.
1) Ancient Israel and Judah were called women (because they were congregations).
2) Jesus identifies His mother & brethren in Matt 12:49. His brethren (individuals), His mother (collectively). "Brethren" is a plural, "mother" is singular. 1 church, many members.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, what is "Exec 44:2"? There is no such book in the bible. The only time "gate of heaven" occurs in the bible is Gen 28:17 and refers to a place, not a person. Also if the gate refered to a person in the NT, it would be Jesus, not Mary, since He is the savior. But even so, Christians do NOT go to heaven. Jesus went to heaven because He CAME from heaven, read Eph 4:9, which says that only those who come FROM heaven can ascend to heaven. Read also Ps 115:16 and Matt 5:5.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the idea that Mary is even figuratively the ark ("ark", not "arc") of the covenant is foolishness. You think she is an ark because she bore Jesus? That would mean Jesus was the covenant, but Jesus is NOT a covenant--He is the MEDIATOR of a covenant (Heb 8:6).
yewt 1 year ago
@yewt The ark of the covenant was only a physical container for the stone-written 10 commandments. Jesus Christ established the new covenant which dealt with so much more than what is only contained in the old covenant. Thy symbolism is not appropriate for Mary.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@271828183141592654, very true, the symbolism of the ark is NOT appropriate for Mary. Mary is only a type of everybody's physical mother, the one we are to leave behind if they become our enemy because of Christ:
Matt 10:36 "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."
Matt 10:35 "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, & the daughter against her mother, & the daughter in law against her mother in law."
It is the 2nd birth that matters, not the 1st (John 3:7).
yewt 1 year ago
@yewt, Yes. This passage in the Bible mentions Christ's reaction towards Mary's insistence that He does something at the wedding feast. [ John 2:3-4 (KJV) And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.].
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@271828183141592654, i don't see anything about Mary insisting anything at Cana. She mentions it, thinking Jesus would do something, probably because Jesus would have already had a lifetime track record of doing things to help people. The most important thing about that scripture is that Jesus does not call Mary "mother", He distances Himself from her by calling her, VERY IMPERSONALLY, "woman". Jesus ALWAYS ignores the "motherhood" of Mary, focusing on the SPIRITUAL mother instead, as WE should.
yewt 1 year ago
fake video by the looks of it
scotlandsbeauty 1 year ago
how do we know thts not a terorist ?
1slaiman1 1 year ago
Mary, who gave birth to Jesus' physical body later on also gave birth to Jesus' other brothers and sisters.
271828183141592654 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the attributes of Isis are the ones that were given to the catholic "Mary". Isis was called Queen of Heaven, Mother of God, Mighty, Friend of sinners, Lady, she was the hearer of prayers, & also the goddess of the seas (Latin: Mare --> Maria).
The biblical Mary is never called any of these TITLES, & it is not even recorded whether she was a faithful Christian at her death. Pagan Rome blended all its gods & goddesses together to unify its cults into a UNIVERSAL (catholic) religion.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the source of the mother goddess mythology is ancient Babylonia, the pagan religions of India, Egypt, the Middle East, Greece, Rome, etc all originate as variations from that original lie. There is only one mother goddess (a false goddess) but her worshippers worshipped her under different names and differences in ritual and myth. The Isis myth is the one that had the most power over the Roman Empire when RCism evolved.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, what scripture do you claim calls Mary a perpetual virgin? The phrase "Virgin Mary" does not occur in the bible. Nowhere is her virginity claimed to be intact after Jesus's birth.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, there is no scripture that says that mary remained a virgin. It only says, "behold a virgin will conceive". The miracle is that Mary was impregnated BY GOD, asexually, not that she refused to have sex with her HUSBAND Joseph. If she remained a virgin, why did she marry? Joseph was told not to fear to TAKE Mary as a WIFE (Matt 1:20). A man and a wife are ONE flesh (Gen 2:24).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, it is rare to find someone openminded enough to admit when someone has the stronger argument. Well done!
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, no Rev 12 refers to the church, not a human woman. You are thinking on an earthly level. Jesus became an immortal being before Mary died, clearly proving that Mary was not His spiritual mother. Jesus said His mother & brethren were those who heard & obeyed Him (Matt 12:47-50), & IGNORED His earthly mother who was INTERRUPTING Him.
Notice Gal 4:26:
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
A woman in bible symbolism is a group of people (Israel & Judah).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the latin mass is irrelevant, the roman church is the religious tool of the beast. The beast was predicted to make war with the saints (Christians) and OVERCOME them, going on to rule the world, as actually happened:
Revelation 13:7
"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
It is only at Christ's return that the beast is destroyed (Rev 19:20).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, your supposition that Mary is a "gate of heaven" is not biblical. There is NO gate of heaven. Christians are rewarded by everlasting life ON EARTH (The meek shall inherit the earth--Matt 5:5). God Himself is coming to dwell with men on earth (Rev 21:2, 3-4, 10, 22). The belief in going to heaven is stolen from paganism.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, the facts are that in order to fulfill the scripture, a virgin needed to be impregnated, not that a woman needed to remain a virgin all her life. You are asserting something which is not stated ANYWHERE in the bible. You are asserting something which is ABSOLUTELY a doctrine of paganism where temple prostitutes remained "virgins", where slutty goddesses remained "virgins". The origin of your belief is paganism, incorporated into "Christianity" to lure the goddess worshippers.
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, "heos" means the same thing that "Till" means. Joseph knew not Mary UNTIL Jesus was born, then she bore at least 6 siblings. She did not do that without sex. Were the children from a previous marriage of Joseph's? No, because when the angel warned the young family that Herod sought to kill Jesus only Jesus, Joseph & Mary fled to Egypt. That is, there were no other members of the family (Matt 2:13-14).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, let me elaborate then about obeying. If you are a moslem, but your child wants to be a Chrisian, how does your child keep the commandment? If your child had to obey you (who would command him to stop all "foolish talk" about Christianity), he would be disobeying the Father AND dishonoring Him.
What does the commandment ACTUALLY say?:
Exo 20:12
"Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee."
No mention of "obey".
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, No Mary is not mentioned at all in Rev 12. The woman in that scripture is the church and the birth of Jesus in that is not His first (earthly) birth, but His 2nd birth (the resurrection and ascension to everlasting spirit life). Jesus teaches about 2 births (John 3), and we must be born again (verse 7). This 2nd birth is NOT what protestants talk about, which is just a religious experience, it is the literal transformation from flesh to spirit beings (1 Cor 15:51, 50, Job 14:14)
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, latin is irrelevant to the translation of the bible. Latin bibles should never be used in any modern translation because no biblical document was ever written in Latin. Latin became an "important" religious language only because the beast (the Roman Empire) always promoted the Latin language & because the Roman (false) church needed to move away from the authentic scriptures. Monks are a big source of superstition & error, the central pillar of their lives is error (John 17:15).
yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, i am not attacking you, i am merely pointing out what the bible says about people who believe what you believe. Your "fate" can change if you repent, otherwise you will perish.
Luke 13:5
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
The ancient Israelites did not repent of worshipping their "Queen of Heaven" and were expelled from the Holy Land. So also, those who continue to worship the "Queen of Heaven" will not enter the Kingdom of God.
yewt 1 year ago
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yewt 1 year ago
@scilynx2, Joseph knew not Mary up to the point that Jesus was born. Your argument does not serve you. He took her afterward, otherwise the marriage was not valid. He took her afterward, otherwise she could not have had Jesus's brothers and sisters:
Mark 6:3
"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him."
yewt 1 year ago