Congressman Ted Poe praises KKK founder

[kangarookitchen]

At a boy Ted get their first with the most.that's why Nathan Forest entered service as a private and left a general. He did not found the kkk but did anyone really expect southerns would put up with being threatened by armed gangs and carpet baggers?

[cyberpolice9000]

Nathan Forrest wasn't the founder of the KKK, he was a Confederate general who massacred black POWs at Fort Pillow.

[DaveDaShrubber]

Remember Fort Pillow, Congressman Poe.

[shy5guy98]

He did not found the KKK. He joined because he was super pissed after the south lost the war. And he saw the KKK as a Dixie resistance group. He left after they got violent

[biddefordgop]

Even Pravda wouldnt buy this bullshit.

You clearly took soundbites and cliped them up.

[TheBjmr]

he is a republican so his IQ is very low

[Bynkers83]

@TheBjmr Amen to that!

[Jerslave1]

change the title of your post!!

[optionsupdate]

the US citizens have the right to be armed to an extent which allows them to remove bad governments.

[XGDRabidPanda]

You stupid morons. Forrest was not no more racist than old Abe. Forrest was not the founder of the KKK, and the original KKK was not what we would call a hate group but what we would call a terrorist group. Where Brave Confederate men would kill Yankee soldiers and burn Union supporters houses down. And Guess what Southerners will never say sorry for the Yankee dead. [><] Burn in hell Yankees Suck Satan's Cock while your down there too. Fuck the Union Fuck your flag and fuck your god damn bird!

[madmexican007]

Poe is the ''DUMBEST-MOTHER-FUCKEREST''.

[gwhendri]

Hell yea

[lolman105]

"firstest to the mostest"

you should have titled this video dumbass quoting a dumbass

[huckster699]

@lolman105 Its a play on words you moron. You calling people dumb asses and you didn't even know that.

[gsxraddict]

he wasnt the KKK founder, he even left the KKK when it got out of control.

this title is for the ignorant

[JimmyHopkins2]

Nathan Bedford Forrest wasn't the Founder of the Ku Klux Klan...

The "KKK" was founded in Pulaski, Tenessee by 3 guys who wanted to form a social club to prank the local black population. NBF took over the Klan later on, and organized it into a Night-Watch force...and a night riding brigade....

And he wasn't a bad Klansman, he was against violence, and when the Klan started lynchings and other forms of intimadation, he ordered it to disband...some followed the order, some Klaverns didnt.

[TheJamesDun]

Nathan Bedford Forrest is one of the greatest generals and honorable man who ever lived. Nathan did join the KKK and was the 'Grand Wizard' but what most people IGNORE is that he told them to disband and NOT to continue. They didn't listen to him and he dropped out, he was the first white man to be invited to speak for blacks rights infront of a black crowd, and 3000 african americans showed up at his funeral to mourn his death.

[Stryder46]

Talk about spin! He wasn't quoting him because he was the founder of the KKK. He quoted his military strategy as an analogy.

[jpeditor]

If Dems are so nuts about someone just quoting a guy who later became KKK, MAYBE THEY SHOULD CLEAN THEIR OWN HOUSE, w/ DEM SENATOR ROBERT BYRD, FORMER KKK MEMBER.

(and also take your ma-quoting whores out of DC while you're at it).

[djwofford47]

Congressman Poe quoted a general regarding a military philosophy. He did not praise the founder of the KKK or anyone else. If you quote Mao or Stalin, are you a communist? If you quote Hitler, are you a Nazi? If you quote Che, are you a cold blooded murderer? The title is just another attempt to silence those with which one disagrees--the truth be damned.

[beatleboy9020001]

thats what i tryed to say if u see my previous comments

[exenrontexas]

Ted Poe is my Congressman and I am ashamed that he is from Texas. He now leads the list of Texas legislators bought off by conservative foundations buying his votes by providing free transportation on junkets. His term as a judge is a disgrace. He would hand out prison sentences by having the defendent guess how many coins he had in his pocket for the number of years he would get in prison. He judicial record is a joke.

[beatleboy9020001]

ok dothivalla, while forest was involved extensivley with the klan during the reconstruction era, he was also a brilliant calvary officer and great tactician. so ur context for the description of this video is false. Its like saying some one defended thomas jefferson a politician who also was promiscous with his slaves without seeing the larger picture

[exenrontexas]

You post is just as disingenuous as you claim dothivalla is. First of all the Founder of the KKK, Nathan Bedford Forest was a REBEL general, a secessionist and a traitor. Secondly there is JUST as much evidence that it was Jefferson's brother who was promiscuous and NOT, the author of the Declaration of Independence and president, TOM Jefferson. To compare the traitor general to Jefferson is ridiculous.

[beatleboy9020001]

I am not saying that what forest did was right nor am i defending him. what i am simply saing is that dothvialla is saying that he is the founder of the klan or at least an early important figure, which he was, however that is not the subject of Poe's statement. his actions do not lessen his talents. Lee was a traitor if wanna think that too, but he was the best military tactician of his day, maybe of all time. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus and imprisoned hundreds during the civil war

[exenrontexas]

I understand your point and I agree that Lee was a great general. However, ALL of the rebels that defended the state right to have slavery and to secede cost SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND GOOD AMERICANS their lives. Democracy is based on majority rule with protections for the minority. The rebel blood lust and war mongering that rushed them to war should have been the last option and it COULD have been. There were many northern politicians including Lincoln who might have worked a compromise.

[beatleboy9020001]

War was their last option. For the years leading up to the war, there were many attempts at compromise. I'm not from the south, I'm a new englander however i do not take sides in history. I'm not gonna say i agree with sucession, but i can see why the south did it

[exenrontexas]

So just exactly WHY did the South start the Civil War. Please explain WHY poor white southerners were willing to DIE to keep blacks enslaved. What is at play there? Is it the sin of pride? Is it the anti-democracy view that the minority should not bend it's will to the majority rule? Why didn't the South support the British plan for ending slavery? Why did southern men die to support the plantation plan for cheap labor?

[beatleboy9020001]

Your putting me on the spot sir, i'm not an expert, i'm a young man. But, yes the south attacked at Fort Sumter, but that just was the spark that ignited it, not the cause. as for your second question most southernrs were not fighting to keep blacks enslaved. slaveholders were a small minority, there was drafting, conscription, and substitution that occure in the south as well as the north. "rich mans war, poor mans fight". Most southernors enlisted becuase they wanted independence.

[exenrontexas]

OK, this is my point. WHY would any free, poor, non-slave owning white man fight for the Southern plantation owner's right to own slaves. What was the appeal? Why did so many die to protect that right? Could it be that they were deceived by those plantation owners? How is that different today from the many poor white southerners who support the large corporate criminal Republicans?

[beatleboy9020001]

also they were mostly fighting for independcene. they viewed themselves like the founding fathers. but the average civil war soldier, aged 17-25, was looking for new adventures, glory, to be heroic, ettc. It should be noted that some of the most crucial states to the norths cause were slave states. ie. maryland. As far as slavery itself, it was a nessacary evil. Slavery was as important to the south as industry was in the north.

[beatleboy9020001]

at that time the south needed slavery to support an economy based on agriculture. Unfortunatly the emphasis was on cotton. King Cotton. Also they did not kno the importance of crop rotation, Tobacco was also important. But the point is that they had no food, corn, beans, etc. hunger was a huge issue both in the confederate army and home front. plus with the majority of men fighting there was no one to work the plantation (white men i mean).

[exenrontexas]

Needed slavery? Were you aware that the main justification for slavery was that White Christian men could enslave pagan blacks to bring them to Christ? Then the Virigina legislature passed a law saying that if any black became a Christian he was automatically free. The White plantation owners banned ministers and the Bible from the slave quarters. Virginia reversed the law. Slavery was not needed, but the expeditious profiting from the misery of others.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas Did you know that Nathan's slaves loved him? You're just being stereotypical and listening to all the lies that yankees make. A quote from General Grant: "If I thought that this war was about slavery, i'd put down my arms and offer my sword to the other side" Do you kow what the war was over? The war was over the fact that 80% of the US taxes were being taken out of the South, and that if the slaves were taken away then the South's economy would be completely destroyed.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun Let him FREE them first and THEN ask if he is loved. ANY society that is based on slavery is condemned to be destroyed. Ask the Romans. The Soviet Union. And SHOULD BE destroyed. The excuse the South used for slavery was that they were bringing pagans to Christ, but when Virginia passes a law that any slave who was baptized would win his freedom, the plantations BANNED Bibles and preachers.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun And Robert E. Lee said he almost fought for the North since he abhorred slavery. The only reason he did not was that it meant turning his back on his home, Virginia. If the low-life Poe want to quote a Southern military man, then Lee is his best bet. Lee KNEW the South would fall and only, that is ONLY a string of incompetent Northern Generals prevented it from happening in a year or two at most.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas What you said about Lee and slaverly could not be more incorrect. Robert E. Lee owned slaves, and right before the start of the war he set them free--by doing so they actually fought with them, some of them being his General's bodyguard/staff. You cannot get inside his head, exenron, for all you know he could have thought the south would win. You bash the South without knowing the facts of Forrest or Robert E. Lee.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun WRONG! There were many southerns who inherited or gained slaves by marriage who abhorred slavery as an institution. Here are just three but very notable ones: Dolley Madison, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. TWO of those made comments about how slavery should NEVER have been allowed in the Constitution OR in America. I am NOT bashing the South but like those honorable men, I detest it and recognize it's inherent evil.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas Sadly that does NOT disprove anything that I just told you. Again, you can't get inside his head buddy. I see it as evil if you are cruel to the slaves, although you should respect the men who were nice to the slaves. Nathan DID trade slaves, but he kept the slaves families together when possible. Just don't be stereotypical, read only a few facts about Nathan Bedford Forrest and you will resent him, read all the facts about Nathan Bedford Forrest and you'll see him as a hero.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun I would see Bedford Forest as a hero is he freed his slaves at first opportunity and spent the rest of his life fighting against it much as those in Germany fought the slavery of Adolf Hitler before WWII. Otherwise he is the enemy of America and a coward.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas Ignorants...How common of Yankees. I have tons of evidence that I could use against you, but by know I know that you are too ignorant to listen, and that i'll keep getting your broken record player like I have the last 5 times. It's not worth fighting against you, since you're 100 years old the last time you ever studied history was about...80 years ago, you don't know shit.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas Okay, I will admit that what I just said was uncalled for. Although you have to admit that you are being rather close minded.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun At my age and physical condition and with what I have seen in my life, i have EARNED my close mindedness. In other words, those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. BTW: Mr. Poe is MY Congressman which I did NOT ask for. I got him because the criminal Tom DeLay, got his way with gerrymandering the TX congressional districts. I liked my FORMER Congressman Kevin Brady.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun I accept your apology, of sorts, but I KNOW war and how and why they are started. More suggested reading: From the most decorated American serviceman since George Washington, Marine Corps General Smedley Butler, served 34 years, fought in FIVE wars and was awarded TWO Congressional Medals of Honor. When he retired, he wrote a book, "War is a Racket" where he claimed that most US wars were started by and for the benefit of...WALL STREET. THAT might be applied to the Civil War.

[beatleboy9020001]

Besides, slavery in the colonial american times was not exclusive to the south. Providence, in Rhode island which is where i'm from was among the biggest slave trading spot in the nation. along with boston and newport. Brown University, founded by the Brown family and the namesake for many other things in RI, made a fortune slave trading in Providence, Boston, etc.

[exenrontexas]

Before the Civil War, the British plan to rid their empire of slavery was to BUY the slaves their freedom. That is that the government would compensate the slave owners for the costs of the slaves. This was proposed to the White plantation owners and was rejected. Like the large corporations of today, it had not enough profit it for them. The South purposefully chose their path. But in spite of that Lincoln planned their reconciliation and reconstruction. He loved the South but not slavery.

[TheJamesDun]

@exenrontexas You do know that it was Lincoln who started the war, right? The south planned on a peaceful secession. If you know nothing about the Civil War history, please don't post.

[exenrontexas]

@TheJamesDun WHO was it that fired on Ft. Sumter? Are you saying it was a false flag incident like the Tonkin Gulf. Are you saying it was Yankee spies who loaded and lit that artillary? What committment to peaceful secession does that show? I served on the USS Turner Joy and other ships. Don't tell me that I don't know about how wars start. Your comment is false, blatantly.

[beatleboy9020001]

with out convicting them, but he is probably the greatest president ever. washington was also considered to be a rebel, and comitted treason, but we do not discredit him. My point is that a mans action should not be used to lessen his talents

[EpicTrollBeastMan]

@exenrontexas Quit acting like you know shit sailor! Don't try to belittle someone by saying "I KNOW war" and stating opinions. You probably know more about swabbing the deck and giving tug jobs to Marines then war. And like I said, most of your statements are opinions you sound like a liberal darkie spewing anti Southern propaganda. Calling Lee or Forrest or any other general on either side a coward is grounds to get your shit smoked in my book. Stick to dinghies and dicks sailor. HooHAH!

[exenrontexas]

@EpicTrollBeastMan Well do you kiss your mother with that mouth, numbnuts? I KNOW Ted Poe and I have heard him speak many times. The last time was on Memorial Day when he spoke to the vets at the National Cemetery in Houston. They booed him like they did a few years earlier for Tom DeLay. You sound like a twelve year old in his momma's basement. Grow a pair and stand up for the Constitution and learn to expose frauds like Ted Poe.

[crazycuntryboy2]

Either way the ORIGINAL Klan was not racist and neither was Nathan Bedford Forrest. The modern Klan is the racist one. NOT the one Forrest founded.

[auburnhale]

Thank you for spreading the truth! People are just ignorant.

[Duobitdezo]

Not many people know that tho.

[getyoasshome]

what the fuck!!! the original klan originated in pulaski tenn. the main point of the klan was intimidation of africans nothing more nothing less. they were all civil war vets who created the klan out of spite and boredom. KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!!

[crazycuntryboy2]

KNOW YOUR HISTORY. In 1867 the Klan court Martialed one of it's own members for beating a black male following the hearing he was sentenced to be hanged by the neck until dead. Nathan Forrest was the FIRST white person invited to the Civil Rights group the Jubilee of Pole Bearers. And in his speech he announced his opposition to segregation and his support of integration. And at his funeral 300 BLACKS ATTENDED . I am talking about Forrest's Klan. Not the modern inbred racist douchebag klan.

[exenrontexas]

Nathan Bedford Forest founded the KKK and then QUIT because it became too brutal and violent.

[getyoasshome]

smart man......i know that nathan forrest was not racist but the modern klan shits all over him.

[crazycuntryboy2]

The ORIGINAL Ku Klux Klan was a resistance group to Union Martial law imposed on the former Confederate States after the war. Forrest was actually PRO integration read his speech at the Jubilee of Pole Bearers. This group was the first of many Black Civil Rights groups and Forrest was the FIRST white person invited to speak at one of their meetings. In his speech he said that southern blacks and whites need to unite and also said "if you are ever oppressed I will be there to help"

[LateKnight347]

r u fucking kidding me? your better have books upon books of evidence to say some shit like that.

[crazycuntryboy2]

I looked up his ENTIRE speech at the Jubilee of Pole Bearers. The Jubilee of pole Bearers was the precursor to the NAACP. It was the FIRST black Civil Rights group and Forrest was the FIRST white man invited to attend and speak. And 3,000 blacks came to Nathan's funeral.

[Allah666Satan]

Forrest was the first Grand Wizard of the KKK, and he spoke at the Democrat Convention in 1868.

Enough of your BULLSHIT!!!!!

[crazycuntryboy2]

Bullshit? Read his speech at the JUBILEE OF POLE BEARERS! The pole Bearers was the FIRST major black civil rights group, it was also the PREDECESSOR to the NAACP. I'm not spreading bullshit, your just to close minded and arrogant to do research. It you look up the damned speech you will see Forrest was very much against segregation/racism. Just look it up.

[tg101393]

Your are dealing with a liberal. To them "facts" are "Bullshit".

[getyoasshome]

WHAT KLAN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

[LaReinaDelBarrio]

More Southern fried hate from the usual crop of nitwits.

[msgtsd]

The quote is wrong. It should be "Get there first, with the most."

[CrossoverManiac]

What does a quote about military tactics have to do with the Klan?

[goodolboy2010]

haha, he didnt praise the klan, but i aint got nothin against it, general bedford was a good man.

[Seksivince]

Forrest was a good man, he emancipated a lot of his slaves that chose to fought for him in the civil war. He took membership b/c the clan was originally as a countermeasure to northern carpetbaggers that eventually raped the south. Later on, he really eschewed from any deep association in it.

[lassiecox]

well said and accurately put

[SeraphimTheApologist]

Talk about spin... You quote someone and suddenly you're in bed with thier idiology? I guess all those Democras who quote Marx, Lennon, and Stalin deserve some atention too, eh comrad? Eh, eh?

[djboarder1121]

llkjlk;j

[williamsobieski86]

Yeah well all you libs have no problems with Robert Byrd so there.

[HardyRoundtree]

Gen. Forrest may have been the first Grand Wizard of the ku klux klan, however Mr Forrest did have the smarts to disband it in 1869 when the southern people were allowed back in the Union and legally recognized subjects of this country.

[lassiecox]

The war was about real estate, 4,000,000 mostly poor white men gave their lives to free 900,000 slaves, who double their population every 20 years, the whites have 1.9 children per family. the future demography of america does not need a profit to predict the future, redistribution of resources by government decree, like in zimbawe, and guys like mugabe will bring on another civil war. The few remaining poor indian reserves that don't support life without surplus foods will probably loose

[plg12345]

How is that KKK founder that was the general of the fucking Confederate Army you stupid fuck.

[johnnyrebncsu]

because you are an ignorant moron using vulgar language to get your ignorant point across. He was a cavalry officer. Never once lost a battle. wow people are ignorant. The KKK of 1865 was ENTIRELY different than the KKK of the 20th century. Forrest disbanded the KKK in 1871. Pick up a history book you ignorant fools....

[2771]

The KKK was disbanded by Forest, the modern KKK was founded by a Yankee preacher.

[Emeraldguard4RonPaul]

God bless Nathon Bedford Forrest

[slappy1234567]

Liberals refuse to acknowledge Forrest's military genius. Instead of learning from the greatest Cavalry General in American history, they'd rather spend there time repeating worn slogans. Leftists are a virus in our country. I pray for the day when they are exterminated.

[ultramalo]

So do you "praise" Osama Bin Laden and Hitler too?

[slappy1234567]

You can admire their military tactics without supporting their positions.

[bigstU25]

I can agree with you on this slappy1234567.

I always say you can learn from anywhere, even learn something from your MORTAL enemy.

[shiryu22]

slappy has a good point. But remember that with any extremes, extreme rightists are probably just as bad as extreme leftists.

And, I also agree with slappy on the notion that you can admire someone's military tactics without supporting their positions.

[lassiecox]

150 year old mortal enemies are all passed on, how then could they be your enemy, unless you are north of the mason dixie line. civil war north, pay 300$ and let the poor fight the war. The point of opposition. the south said eliminate by attrition, slowly without disrupting the lives of people, all born as of now, would not be in bondage, the ones now in bondage have the right to choose, bondage or free-------The north, free all now, we want your plantations and land, they attacked the south.

[bigstU25]

The Left wing are my enemy cause they supported my elders mortal enemies, Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond. Strom died awhile as a GOP but the KEY to that is that he didnt gain major power as a GOP like he did as a DEM. Robert Byrd STEPPED DOWN as a DEM SENATOR IN 2008...... STEPPED DOWN decades after Jim Crow! Not ignored like the GOP does, but IMBRACED, the old DEM way! You see my point?

[RuuudeBwoyNo1]

don't know what this is supposed to be about. but the KKK already runs the government....that's nothing new to me

[mysteriousyoungman]

By the way you idiot, he was not the founder. In fact he ended that part of the Klan. Mind reading a bit of history before you make an ass out of your self?

[MqtMich]

Yee Haw redneck Ted Hoe. I wonder how much bleach he had to use on his face after kissing so much redneck ass in order for the TexASS republicans to change the state voting districts around in order for Hoe to win a seat? If this clown can win a seat, ANYBODY can win in Texass.

[SARDiverDave]

Praising Forrest? LMAO! The quote was appropriate to the context, not "red meat" to any constituency.

logic like what has been displayed by some of these posts could give the impression that George S. Patton was a Nazi because he studied Rommel's writings!

Good grief.

[Seiku]

A ridiculous title. I spent 5 minutes looking up history and realized it was false. Not only that it ignores the issue at hand.

[VanHoolPilot]

I loathe the NITWITS that make up the KKK and understand the RETARDED logic that one has to possess to support such a JUVENILE, EMOTIONALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY MALADJUSTED GANG. Having said that, quoting someone who clearly understands the PROCESS AND REQUIREMENTS OF WAR, NECESSARY TO SUCCEED AT IN ORDER TO REMAIN FREE SO WE CAN BITCH AND WHINE ABOUT STUPID SHIT, I support his comment and find value in the quote. And I don't care WHOM it came from, a good quote is a good quote.

[eatlanta]

Twist everything into something it is not. So we quote the Honorable Senator Robert "KKK" Byrd of West Virginia. He was a member of the West Virginia KKK and is a Demo party leader. He said "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds". Ne never enlisted.

[erad67]

He did not "paise" Forest, he tried to quote Forest and said he was a successful general, which he most certainly was. The fact that Forest was scum of the Earth is a separate issue.

[PubliusAfricanus]

The greatest general of the war. As long as he's not praising the man's slave trading, I don't see the problem.

[cowboycarl04]

exactly... he's stating a quote from a good general...

he can quote hitler for all I care if it gets his point across...

[2771]

I have to disagree, Jackson was the greatest.

[Ankhorite]

Poe knew what he was doing when he quoted a Confederate general: he was throwing a little raw meat to the worst of his constituents.

Poe has some real problems with equality. If he doesn't think a woman is a citizen with the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as a man — or as a fetus — he should sit in Texas and stew in his own hateful juices. He's okay on domestic violence, but doesn't think that women should be allowed to make their own decisions about pregnancy.

[fancynancyINC]

That title is idiotic. Either you're a moron or you're trying to deceive.

[antoinebugleboy]

Egads, why are you people re-posting this? It's a really lame attempt to villify someone because he's a member of the other political party.

[pamela104]

The title of this speech is not accurate.

This really doesn't have anything to do with the KKK. He sees the reality of the costs Americans pay due to our Illegal Immigrant problem.  He is fair and makes sense. Poe for President.

[marvisinsane]

I don't know how to take his speech, I will say that its very ironic he calls a Confederate General "succesful".

Uh... they lost. The very definition of failure.

[diehardff]

Just because the confederacy lost does not mean that they're generals "lost". Most southern Generals were more capable then their northern counterparts. The south lost because it had a lower population, lack of railroad and manufacturing infrastructure, and because of rampant inflation. Not because of their generals. Before anyone calls me a good ol' boy loving the south, know that I'm from Arizona and would have supported the North.

[knelz9]

This is a ridiculous title meant to do nothing more than create negative discourse. Gen. NBF was a successful general, and one of the best the CSA had in the US Civil War. And, yes, he did found the KKK. But the context of the speech was regarding a general and his quote as a general, who happened to form the KKK later. Seems to me, that in the world today, there is a better way of spending our time. Remember, when you live in a glass house, you should be careful about throwing stones.

[Seiku]

He never even found it, he was barely even associated with it and even officialy denied participation. People think he founded it because of what they hear in movies.

[JennBoop]

How is this praise? It was a quote.

[particle409]

Yeah, because the Dixiecrats back then truly represent today's Democratic party...

[RobGoth100]

I would not call than praise. I would call it a quote. Check with former KKK Sen. Robert Byrd if he is not blubering to himself that is.

[flamegame33]

hellooo the Democratic party changed! who doesn't know tht?

[BFCats]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was not the founder of the Klan. The "founders" came to him. He was the 1st Grand Wizard of the KKK.

[BenAliGtor]

Christ on a crutch! Forrest NEVER said "..first-est with the most-est." He may have been an "uneducated" man, but he wasn't a badwoods hillbilly. He was a successful businessman before the war and would have never used that stereotypical wording.

And he was NOT "the founder of the Klan".As to whether he was a son of a bitch for having his men fire on surrendering African American soldiers at Ft. Pillow- it depends on which accounts you read, like Tarlton in the Revvie War.

[LaReinaDelBarrio]

Mohfan1, it was still a poor example, he should have thought about the other 49 states and what people there might think.

Ms. LaReina

[2771]

It was nothing of the sort, Forest was one of the best cav generals in American history. If the other 49 states don't like it then they should get over their ignorance.

[mohfan1]

Some of you are absolutely amazing. What he said was - "confederate general Nathan B. Forrest". That's what he was. He didn't say "great", or anything else. Then he quoted his famous saying "Getting there firstest with the mostest". Which is not only sound strategy, it's taught at West Point, in its historical context. That is all he said. He was not talking about anything else except the Iraq War, & did not make any otherreferences. Even if you don't like someone, they can make sense at times.

[dwash56]

exactly my friend

[rebel2276]

What is odd to me, if it was so bad for the blacks in the South, then why stay? If I was black and in that time period, I would move far far far away from the South. Somewhere in the middle of Russia.

[HeritageNotHateProd]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was NOT a racist.

The only order he ever carried out in the kkk was for it to disband!

Heritage Not Hate!

[dwash56]

exactly it was proven that he was not the grand wizard but people still wants to put that stigma on him. Im black and my great great great grandfather fought in general forrest cavalry. so how can he be racist but had black men who loved and respected him like my grandfather.

[oldhacks]

nathan bedford forrest for as evil a bastard as he was he was a brilliant general

[generalforrest4]

how was he evil? the kkk was started to protect the vulnerable south after the war. once the kkk started doing violent hate crimes against blacks forrest quit and said they should disband

[oldhacks]

It was started to continue the war effort against the north. Just like Jesse James. then they started hanging black people to keep them from voting and forming worker unions with the share croppers. the KKK might have been honorable for about a day. to be fair Nathan Forrest very quickly left the group when they started killing innocent black people. even though forrest was a wealthy slave merchant before the war...

[rochy1432000]

KKK still exist!!!? ho my god I thought that was history already! Unbelievable! and are they still terrorizing, killing and torturing black communities in the name of Jesus????

[mfrantom]

Are you serious or joking? Of course it still exists, but they arent terrorizing or killing. They mostly do rallies when particular black on white hate crimes aren't getting any publicity. I know a few members and none of them want to kill anyone. They just believe white people are now the ones being oppressed and want there to be more balance.

[rochy1432000]

OPPRESSED??? ha,ha,ha,ha those rednecks feel oppressed cause nobody recognize their supremacy any more??? ha,ha,ha whatta funny shit! I believe blacks should whip their backs and force them to work their whole life without payment, so that they can feel what being oppressed mens...

[liberty1866]

The Klan doesn't need to kill & torture black communities. The subhuman element that lives there takes care of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rochy1432000]

thats right The Klan only Kill torture and rape's their own CHILD!

[liberty1866]

Great Grammar:You're obviously black!!!!!!!!

[rochy1432000]

is that important?... my color...

[liberty1866]

No just your ignorance.

[rochy1432000]

Well lets talk about ignorance, first of all I speak 2 languages, how many you do?

[RebelDad1861]

People need to find the facts before they argue against NBF or for him.

Yes he was a great Confederate General,But he did not found the KKK.And after the War he was Pro Federal,no longer Pro Confederate.

[RebelDad1861]

When Forrest testified before a Congressional investigation in 1871 ("The reports of Committees, House of Representatives, second session, forty-second congress," P. 7-449) the committee concluded that Forrest's involvement with the Klan was to attempt to order it to disband. They found no evidence that he had founded the Klan, that he had led the Klan or that he had acted to advise it other than to make efforts to have it disband.

[RebelDad1861]

In 1869, Forrest, disagreeing with its increasingly violent tactics and specifically disagreeing with violent acts against Blacks, ordered the Klan to disband, stating that it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace." Many of its groups in other parts of the country ignored the order and continued to function.

[RebelDad1861]

There has been no proof that Forrest willingly participated or accepted the role as GD of the Klan or that he actually functioned as a member of the Klan at any level.

In an interview Forrest described the Klan as "a protective political military organization...The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States...Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic..."

NBF was a traitor to the southern cause after the war.

[neddy1979]

there is no proof that the wizard of the saddle even started the kkk. The real villans of the war were grant, sheridan, and lincoln. At least this man is not quoting them.

[mfrantom]

I wouldnt call any of them villains. They all did what they believed was right for America and their families. It doesn't matter what side they fought for, they all believed they were doing what was right.

[2771]

Burning cities and raping women and children is never right.

[slappy1234567]

To quote Nathan Bedford Forrest in a strategic military sense is appropriate. He was one of the greatest cavalry commanders in American History. His use of cavalry as "mobile infantry" was brilliant. His style of "mobile warfare" has been studied by military historians worldwide.

[Sloofus]

He praised him as a general, not as a kkk member. You know, hitler was a real a douchebag. Caused the deaths of so many and ruined to lives of so many more.. however, CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN WHERE IT IS DUE! It cannot be doubted that Hitler got Germany out of their depression. In the same sense, give this KKK/Confederate general the same credit, and stop taking quotes out of context and posting them on youtube.

[kasdri]

This guy is a douchbag.

[SOLOCLANTON]

KKK sucks! we're ready to figth them. they want a race war and so do we. lets get it on! it will be the most fun america has had in a long time. they think they got all the guns LOL come to my hood and see my guns. BANG BANG! crackers!

[waffenmac]

Boy Im not in the KKK but if a race war is what you want you will lose.

[15francis15]

rahowa BULLSHIT!!!!!!

This rahowa just exists in the dreams of some (very few) skrewball white supremacists!

Gimme a break!

[thorsmitersaw]

Bedford Forrest started the Ku Klux Klan as opposition to the occupation and "reconstruction" of the south. It soon turned into a hate group and When it did he publicly denounced it and resigned from the group.

Many parallels can be drawn to the Iraq war from the War against southern independence. Go in for one reason, stay for another. Nationalize and expand the power of the president. Establish martial law practices. Murder civilian targets with impunity (over 50k between 1861 and 1865).

[justinv99]

so what this means is give the troops the stuff they need nothing more and mcsev learn some history please before making comments shows your ignorence just like these people after this poe guy well lets see since forrest was such a bad guy tell me why west point teaches bout him and the other us army schools and why people followed his battlefeild rules note rommel for sure did this studyed at ole miss and said grant was the luckiest general he ever saw

[dukeandduke]

I don't support the zionist Iraq war but I'll always support freedom over tyranny which is what the Confederate Army and Nathan Bedford Forrest fought for.

[Y2ANJ]

"And that's just the way it is"...he always says this...he thinks he's Stone Cold Steve Austin.

[hogzilla22]

Forrest was not the founder of the KKK. He was in the organization for a year or so and then ordered it to disband. You might try reading something other than your high school history book before you open your mouth about something.

[justinv99]

wait i got the same thing in a college class i had and said he was the first wizzard but not founder but i didnt have the academic stuff to back it up were would i find the truth not the line of bs the us history would like to send me about forrest being such a racists thats why he hated radical republicans more then any black so you tell me

[almost800000]

everyone here would freak out if a congressman quoted hitler. what's one facist fundamentalist from another?

[thorsmitersaw]

Perhaps you should do some reading about Forrest before labeling him a racist in the leagues of Hitler.

[hunterp614]

Forrest was a brilliant military tactician and that is what the congressman was referring to. Hitler was a great public speaker but that doesn't mean that I support his cause. Same concept.

[dothivalla]

This is more a statement about Ted Poe than the Iraq War. When faced with our most important issue, he turns to one of the founders of the KKK for guidance.

[breakerdan]

hunterp614 it does not matter what the man fought for. He was never beaten...end of story

[GodChilla1]

No matter who he qouted, it's true. We either need to be prepared to kill everone in Iraq or bring our troups home (I'm on the home side btw). What difference does it make who made the quote if they were correct?

[shillcw]

N.B. Forrest was found by U.S. Congress not to have any envolement in the KKK. So what if he did the Klan was grassroot police organization. The d**n yankees would not protect us Southerns, we had to do something for ourselves.

[thorsmitersaw]

Forrest on his reason for asking the KKK to disband upon his leaving the organization, stated that the KKK was...:

"being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace."

[dothivalla]

Ted Poe praises Nathan Forrest while mentioning he was a Confederate General. Nathan Forrest was also the first Grand Wizard in the KKK.

[thorsmitersaw]

The KKK was not always a hate group. They started as a guerrilla opposition to the "reconstruction" efforts of the Union. When it turned to violence against blacks he promptly left the group. Forrest even called for blacks and whites to stay united against the Unions efforts to occupy the south. He even expressed publicly that blacks ought to have the right to vote.

It would do you well to look beyond the surface of things and read some history.

[thorsmitersaw]

note however that I am not defending this congressman (to any extent AT ALL). I am defending Nathan Forrest.

[oldhacks]

Nathan Forrest was a great general. not exactly a humanitarian though if you catch my drift. the KKK was like the al qaeda of the 19th century. politically motivated violence against innocent civilians to persuade society to remain segregated.