20th Century Battlefields - 1951 Korea

[koreanguy1997]

natatli shut up youre a disgrace to us koreans

[53repete]

Battle of Inchon (September 1950)

[Natali88333]

MONKEY LOOK HYSTORY COLD WAR NORTH KOREA FUCK IN ASS USA

[LongknifeTrooper]

@Natali88333 To insult is the poor man's weapon, isn't it, poor Gook?

[Natali88333]

SHIT ---KOREA FUCK IN ASS usa

[joe117pwn]

@Natali88333 r u retarded?

[andrelebaron]

@joe117pwn I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question?

[jackuy12345]

USA SUCKS

[MultiWeirdo99]

@jackuy12345 you suck

[Dogmeat1950]

@jackuy12345 says a Person living in the USA lol. Koreans love the USA for a reason. they had there freedom in danged at one time, when you know that feeling then comment.

[Hperman09]

@jackuy12345 Fuck u

[Dogmeat1950]

@jackuy12345 STFU dumb kid.

[grejsancoprative]

Technologic is useless if you don't know how to use it. What you guys don't realize is that neither number or weapons makes a better army, it will always be experience and the human mind that wins the day.

[ApproachWithCaution]

Who cares who invented what? Germany lost both world wars. Germany fails.

[Chrismonchan]

@ApproachWithCaution Yes, but it's no doubt they are a stout nation. I mean, even after losing both wars, they are able to be an economic power in the EU. Germany's leaders fail though.

BTW anyone else notice that korea has always been a site for battle again nations? For cereals! Even today, there's a battlefield!

[eugenmichailow]

and what i wanted to add, the maxim gun is british, not american, and spandau is an other word for mg42 and it was german, if you mean that with the spandau!

[jakefree24]

The Germans improved a lot of stuff, but the major weapons systems, except for ballistic missiles, were invented by others.

[eugenmichailow]

@jakefree24

true true

[jadvs73]

German military innovations in war: - The Mauser action system for rifles. - The portable flamethrower. - The sub-machinegun. - "blitzkrieg" concept. (air power cooperating with concentrated armour). - Paratrooper's use as a spearhead elite. - Use of special operations units. - The magnetic water mine. - The helicopter. - The assault rifle. - The one man operation rocket propelled grenade. - The axial turbine engine aircraft. - Both cruise and ballistic missiles.

[jakefree24]

No one said they were stupid or unimaginative. But the US bazooka predated the panzerfaust & shreck. While Germans perfected the blitz, they based it on French & British theories.

[jadvs73]

The panzershreck was, a copy of the us made bazooka (both, a two men team operation weapon), the later panzerfaust was a different weapon (to some extend), simple enough to be operated by a single man. This concept was later adopted by the soviets, in their RPG-7s. How ironic to know that the french and the british created (to some level, I guess) the ideas behind blitzkrieg because they were their major victims. Everyone has ideas but put them into practice effectively, it's another thing.

[jakefree24]

If you look at the last German offensives of WW l in France where they almost made it to Paris, that was the start of blitzkrieg, & they had no TANKS! The Germans always liked to use surprise & indirect approach. Guderian started out working with radio, which alone gave the Germans such an edige. In 1940, U boats 2, Gamelin the French CO , didn't even have a transmitter at GHQ, while every German tank & platoon had a radio. The Brits also pioneered carriers, but who mastered them, the Japs & US

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 The German offensives in 1918 were not the start of Blitzkrieg. The Germans made it a lot nearer to Paris in 1914 than they did in 1918 and had also come farther from their starting point. Why not call that the start of Blitzkrieg? There have many successful battles in history that quickly overwhelmed the enemy. Were they all Blitzkrieg? I would say the start of Blitzkrieg, and not just theory but success, was combined arms warfare, tanks, planes, artillery,

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 infantry like in the successful British battles of Cambrai 1917, Hamil July 1918, Amiens August 1918. The Germans were on the receiving end of these battles and learned a very valuable lesson. Out of 5 German offensives they used surprise only once. The first perfected blitzkrieg was the battle of Hamil, planned and executed to the minute. August 8th 1918 at Amiens was successful enough to make the German high command agree that the war had to be ended.

[jakefree24]

Because our carriers & planes, even the Japanese, simply had more offensive firepower and were used more decisively than the British, as well as we had more of them. Compare the carrier and plane numbers between USN vs RN. Yes the armored decks made the UK carriers DEFENSIVELY superior, but our carriers carried more and higher performance & bomb capacity planes than yours. Mainly cause the RN got the short end of UK aerial production compared to the RAF.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 I already said that British fleet carriers were not the biggest. Just because they were smaller does not mean they did not master them. If you meant that the US had bigger carriers and held more planes and therefore your point, then OK, I understand. Carriers in the Atlantic, even US, were used differently than in the Pacific because of the different kind of sea war. When the British carriers fought in the Pacific they were just as decisive and more so than Japanese carriers.

[jakefree24]

In addition to everything else I said, our fleet was not only far larger, but had way more experience as in combat sorties than the UK carrier fleet. Also, the defensive firepower, mainly our radar directed 5" dual purpose guns, were far superior AA guns to the UK ones, even without the proximity shells. At the start of the war, the Japs had better carriers & planes, but they were too vulnerable to battle damage so they quickly lost their best pilots & ships and couldn't replace them fast enough

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 The long range bombers didnt have the range for the air gap in the Atlantic. Seafires were higher performing than Hellcats and Corsairs. Are you sure that British radar directed AA guns were far inferior to US ones? We were not talking who had the largest fleet but if the British mastered carriers. They operated about 100 of all types during the war so I say that they did indeed master them and better than the Japanese did

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 The experience of the British fleet was proved beyond doubt when they fought the Japanese in the Pacific.

[jakefree24]

@ascoop22 The Prince of Wales & Repulse were great examples. After almost 2 years of the Luftwaffe handing the RN it's ass in lopsided plane vs ship battles, you'd think they would know better, especially 3 days after Pearl Harbor. What major battles did the British fight in the Pacific, since by agreement the Pacific was the USN's responsibility? The UK had it's 7th Fleet in the Pacific only from 4/45 Okinawa to the end, long after the Japanese fleet, especially their carriers, was demolished.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 When did the RN get its ass handed to it by the Luftwaffe? 3 days after the start of the war was not time enough time to have the British cover their battleships with carriers all over the world. And cmon now, are you trying to say that the US never lost any surface ships from 3 days after Pearl harbor onward because they were always provided with carriers and air cover? Not all task forces that the US sent out included carriers.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 The major battle for the British Pacific Fleet, the 7th Fleet was US, was Okinawa.

The Japanese fleet was very slight at that time but Okinawa and Formosa was still the same kind of battle with enemy planes attacking allied ships and planes being launched into combat. Okinawa was probably the harriest battle because of the Kamakazis and duration. In the end the British never received their lumps because of armour and experience

[DonMeaker]

@ascoop22 The Prince of Wales and Repulse battleships had plenty of armor, but were sunk by the Japanese early on, showing some of the limits of Armor.

[DonMeaker]

The Japanese battle fleet was dispatched to intervene at Okinawa, knowing it would be lost its fuel bunkers were only filled half way

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 Your carriers did not carry higher performance planes than British carriers. The British carried Avengers, Hellcats, Corsairs and higher performing Seafires. What kind did yours carry? The RN got the short end because the main fight was on or above land in the main theater- Europe.

[jakefree24]

@ascoop22 Avengers, Hellcats are USN carrier planes. Any weapon is measured by 3 factors: mobility, firepower & armor-protection. Only in the latter did the UK carriers beat ours. Our carriers were faster, carried 2X the planes as well as having a far superior support fleet to keep them fit for months at sea. In the Battle of the Atlantic, Churchill was so shortsighted he wouldn't release a squadron of long range bombers to cover the air gap, letting Harris throw them away against Germany.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 I know Avengers, Hellcats and Corsairs are US. The British carried them in the Pacific so you did not carry higher performance planes. We already agreed that US Fleet carriers were bigger and therefore carried more planes. The biggest Carrier of the war with the most planes was Japanese. It didnt last very long. Biggest is not necessarily better. The Japanese didnt master carriers very well. The British had their fleet train in the pacific that helped keep them at sea for months.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 Im curious as to why you say the British only pioneered carriers but didnt master them. Id say that they did in fact master them and before the Americans and Japanese did. The European war was not centered around carriers since the Germans only built 2 and were never operational. It was more of a land war but carriers did have important roles and battles.

[ascoop22]

@jakefree24 When British carriers fought in the Pacific, though not the biggest, they proved to be the best when it came to sweeping off the dead kamikazes from their armoured decks. Catapults and angled decks were also British firsts. All three innovations and WW2 history in the Atlantic and Pacific prove British mastery of Carriers.

[azizaziz]

German are so smart man

[jakefree24]

Hiram Maxim was American. The Vickers & the Spandau, as in original WW l type heavy water cooled mg, as well as almost every heavy mg in WW l was not only based on Maxim's design, but licensed from him including the Russian version. Spandau purchased the license from Maxim so the German mg's that mowed down millions of Allied troops in WW l was an American licensed design. However, the MG 34 to 42 were German light mg designs

[eugenmichailow]

@jakefree24

this may be, but in wiki they write that the maxim was invented by a british man for the us!

[jakefree24]

Born in the USA, emigrated to the UK after he invented the machine gun, became an English citizen and was even knighted so technically we are both right

[eugenmichailow]

@jakefree24

jeah we are :)

[AtlasTitanX]

Yeah the Chinese intervention in the war ruined all hope for a unified Korea; the Chinese weren't that sophisticated but were used the terrain and climate but more importantly they overwhelmed the UN with sheer Numbers there were just to many Chinese.

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

the chinese are very brave soldiers, not well trained, and not well equipped,but strong minded and fearless soldiers!

if there are better soldiers than russians in the world then they are chinese!

[AtlasTitanX]

Agreed the Chinese are a very proud people and the only reason Russians became a threat during the cold war was because of all the technology acquired during WW2 from Nazi Germany to me the Best trained military in the world are the US Europe and China.

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

so what? the weapon technology from the nazis was not taken over by the russians! it were the americans who took over almost everything the nazis had!

russian military is and was during the cold war, the most powerfull! cheap and good tech, and soldiers that could take more than someone can deal! european soldiers are best equiped, but if one european country is saying no, the whole nato is weaked a lot!

[AtlasTitanX]

I do not think the Russians had the best technology but they did have very good weapons and cheap.Yes and both sides did take weapons from Nazi Germany after the war but the more influenced is Russia a perfect example would be the famous AK 47 it is a Russian version of the Nazis MP44 or SGT 44 they just improved over a already groundbreaking design. Soviet Russia has relied a lot on other countries tech.and yes Europe is one of the best Specially the British Royal commandos,SAS and German GSG9

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

i knew that you would say this! the ak47 is not a copy of the mp44, it is propaganda that was used in the west, the ak47 is similar looking, but thats all, the inside of the weapon has nothing in common with the german mp44, its a different way of shooting! the g3 is more like the mp44!

the ak47 was invented in 39, but in 45 the soviets saw the german mp44 and said we need an equal weapon, in 1947 the ak 47 was finished as we know it today!

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

the ak47 is just a weapon that shares the class of assault rifle with the mp44 and with the m16 or m14 or ar15, so this is not a plagiat, its just the second assault rifle in the world! you should forget about the gsg9 or the sas, the only 2 best special forces are the french legionäres, and the russian specnaz, more of them die during their training,than in battle, but when they survive their training, this man have become weapons themselves!

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

almost whole america is based on germany! look at the the apollo project, the cia methods, the newer weapon technology, even the m1 is german, did you know that? the patriot act is the same as hitler did, when he burned the reichstag! without germany the us soldiers would still be shooting with the tommy gun!

[AtlasTitanX]

Like I said they both took the tech and you see its influence even today! The advancements of Germany during ww2 set the foundations of the 21st century now if were talking about the M1 Garand the WW2 US rifle than it was made by Canadian John C. Garand.

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

no i am not talking about the m1 grand, i mean the m1 tank, it was developed by a german company paralell to the leopard 2tank, it was a co production, and it was taken to the usa before finishing it! so the m1 tank is made out of german old tech that was used 4 the leopard 2 pruduced in america! the germans have already the leopard 2a6, and the m1 hasnt been changed since a while!

[AtlasTitanX]

Oh I see yes the Germans perfected the tank however it was the British who came up with the concept of the Tank during world war 1 the famous Mark 1 Tank

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX

true, it was the first tank ever! do you know why tank is called tank? cuz while they have tested it, they told their soldiers it would be an experimental water transporting vehicle! these wehicles had also achain drive, and have been called tanks! but the flatten armor was a russian development! and the first helicopter was german! :)

[AtlasTitanX]

Yes Europe was very technologically advanced England, Italy and Germany were working on a jet engine at the same time, later during WWII England gave the US one of its Jet engines and so the Americans built there own from there however we cannot hide the fact that Europe Specially Germany has played a key role in the advancement of military tech.

=P

[eugenmichailow]

@AtlasTitanX true, but as i say do not forget the east, the technology of the soviet union was at that time leading!

the kgb had even a ghost project( looking for ways to use paranormal energy as weapons) what they found out is how to transmit a mission with microwaves into the brain of someone, do you know the game command and conquer yuris revenge, the funny thing is, this is not all a joke, look into my favorit list there is a video that is called KGB!

[AtlasTitanX]

Yes I do know that game I have it =P lol and I will watch your video.

[jakefree24]

But the Russians had better concepts but much cruder executions of tanks, if the T 34 was fitted like a German tank with radios, turret mechnaisms, optics, controls, it would have been twice as good.

[eugenmichailow]

@jakefree24

flatten armour was russian, the germans took that! the panther was copy of t34, true if you would do that, it would be 2 as good, but what was best about it? the best about the t34 is, its cost and quality fot the price! so on one good equiped german tank there were 3 almost as good t34, so this is they key!

and by the way, first automatic assault rifle was russian from WW1, it was never produced in numbers cuz of the amount of ammo it would need!

[jakefree24]

The Maxim gun - your Spandau, Lewis gun, Browning light heavy, and automatic rifles all US

[jontsweden]

they have removed this episode /cry, you could watch the entire episode cut in 6 pices before

[1stUSMarine]

HATE CHINA!!!

[Icarusdecending82]

Yeah. If you could watch the rest of the episode it covers a lot of battles that happend in 1951.  It covers mostly the conflict between Chinese and UN forces.

[FutureWarrior2006]

Inchon happened in 1950 not 1951...