Twelve-tone Serial Jazz Blues

[2009korte]

when you hear this kinda music : R U N !

[CameronCALLAN]

Repeats before playing all 11 tones

[CameronCALLAN]

He repeats before playing all 11 notes.

[Dharma1234]

AWESOME!!!!

[danbabs]

I don't hear any blues

[petezilla]

An address to two comments that are funny to me:

#1 He is repeating notes within the same row? Of course, because this is music, not Sodoku

#2 It sounds tonal? Didn't you know that tone rows can be manipulated to sound that way? He's playing a blues, listen to it that way!

Cheers, Wilson Gomes! I like.

[ruxtomikron]

@petezilla Luigi Dallapiccola is a great example of a composer of very tonal-sounding 12-tone music. Cheers!

[oldlampsfornew]

very nice wilson, your music is very inspiring

[AndrewWLandry]

Great guitar/and guitar playing, this is a nice YouTube gem. By the way, perhaps a piece like this should be labeled something more like: "Free Atonal Jazz Piece," rather than "Twelve-tone Jazz Blues." Maybe not, whatever.

[Hidalgos81]

cool

[vivvpprof]

WTF, this is perfectly tonal...

[SuperAleAraujo]

Wil,sumido da silva sauro. abraço. Alê

[mnfchen]

funny how the human mind interprets this as a musical idea, but really, its just alterations of the same 13 notes over and over again. Beautiful, complex, but simple.

[ScarlettLime]

@mnfchen 12 notes. Technically 11 different notes because C repeats.

[dconn445]

@ScarlettLime there are 12 diff tones,

if you analyze the original tone row, it would be 0-11

there are 12 different pitches per row. C-B gives you 12 different pitches

[ScarlettLime]

@dconn445 Ignore that. it was supposed to be "Technically 12 different notes and then, 'C' repeats" - in response to the 13 bit. It was a "my computer doesn't like to backspace and there was more, but I guess I had already hit enter. Oh well. Besides, that was 2 months ago.

[xectx18]

I like it...

[utube9000]

I'm going to invent something called "one tone" music.

It just has one note over and over.

I guess that makes me a genius.

[FimbulvetrEuph]

@utube9000

Actually, that would make you a minimalist. Been done ;)

[88joey88]

I hear tone repetition within the twelve,cheater

[omgtkseth]

@88joey88 yeah i know. i guess he just doesnt follow schoenbergs and weberns theories like a methodological law. He might use it as a base then he spices it up with a little tonality, but it isnt wrong, isnt it? Art rules are the ones to be followed less.

[88joey88]

@omgtkseth No it isnt wrong, in fact it sounds pretty ace. But to label the video twelve tone serial blues is a stretch. It would be amazing if he is doing the whole twelve tone thing but adding his own rules to it, like repetitions can only occur twice in each twelve segment. I agree art should never be contrained to rules but when you say you are using a certain methodology, use it!

[didgeboy287]

@88joey88 Schoenberg cheated, too.

[88joey88]

@didgeboy287 He didnt call any of his works twelve-tone serial blues though.

[didgeboy287]

@88joey88 Yes he did. It was a big hit, right after Das Buch der Hangenden Garten. Besides, Schoenberg set the prescedent for breaking the rules in the style he created. His style itself also broke many rules of popular composing at the time.  And as for the guitarist, I think we can allow artistic license to blues.

[bekabee24]

What is your row?? It's gorgeous! Please, comp student with a desire to learn! :D

[TheRealBlackRefleX]

You are Schoenberg's son? :D

[cleijazzson]

m,uito bom esse cara !!!! toca facil

[gessie]

What I love so much about this is that if you let a child listen to this during his entire youth, it will sound as beautiful to him as Mozart's work does to me.

[TheModCon]

@gessie That's a great point! I think that we only find beautiful what we are used to. It's the same with odd time signatures, when I first began using them they were hard to feel, but now 5/4 is just as fluid to me as 3/4 and 4/4 :) On topic, this piece of music is very beautiful!

[cnmaster01]

what is the row you're using? beautiful

[meowthedog]

Very clever but rather pointless.

[prydogga]

@meowthedog :facepalm:

[jclar146]

Beautiful Guitar:)

[ClampshellTheMighty]

how can you have atonal polyphonie... polyphonie refears to functional harmony... also you can not have atonal blues... wtf?

[MichaelnChristine]

@ClampshellTheMighty Polyphony refers to multiple melodies against one another. Nothing says those melodies must be common practice period harmony. As a matter of fact a lot of Renaissance music doesn't fit with functional harmony. yet it is surely polyphonic.

[jambolino23]

not technically serialism, as one of the basic rules is to avoid functional harmonies and more than three harmonically sound intervals in a row.

[deepislandboy]

@jambolino23 Who cares about technicality, of course it's important, but it should not get in the way of creativity.

[cnmaster01]

@jambolino23 lolwut

[WolfgangWW]

deaf people should`nt make music, except beethoven

[twangbarfly]

@WolfgangWW Or Evelyn Glennie perhaps - look her up!!

[joebassplayer]

how are you going about this - if it's a blues, then it can't be that atonal. it doesn't sound serial, and actually a lot of this doesn't sound atonal.

[AEFic]

@joebassplayer It seems to be making some use of the twelve tone technique, so it is technically atonal. He does a great job of making it bluesy though.

[MsJantje666]

is it atonal?

[Guitareben]

@MsJantje666 Yes.

[whatshendrix]

@Guitareben

Of course it isn't...

[whatshendrix]

@MsJantje666

No, dude - it's far from being atonal.

Wonderful piece though.

[bigmacboy78]

Only 12 tone that actually has a discernible melody; at least that I've heard. Either way, that was great.

[micciuranda]

Great? ..It is possible to obtain transcriptions?

[Naynap81086]

You just moved me to actually sign in on my account name so I can tell you how wonderful I think this is. Beautiful.

[dbarbiegirl]

awesome

[tstox]

HArdly atonal.

Basically because it sounds good. lol.

I figure just change key every quarter note for 3 measures et viola! you've used all 12 notes!

[TheTravelingbard]

ah it is soooo hard to write 12 tone music wonderfully done sir

[blackus99]

Mas como é o nome da peça ein?

[funnyguise]

nice.

[markmando333]

very cool ,,,very original and interesting

[metrognome69]

very beautiful

[TeaBaggins]

wow this is fucking awesome

[mosof55]

This is excellent

[darcscorpion]

Technically Twelve tone is supposed to avoid all musical keys in a sense. Which is what Wilson did.

[hihihihihihihihihu]

0:10

no twelve-tone :(

[AMRadioHits]

Well, this is beautiful.

[sourcerror]

What makes it blues?

[violinoscar]

The chord progression.

[SPGGuitar251]

Really beautiful and quite unique.

[Svatopluk]

Interesting stuff! Wonderful playing too.

[thejazzguitarist]

So, if its not something you like, chances are somewhere in the past, present or future, it may be perfect to you. Its just that the 'now' you are in, doesnt let it fill your soul :)

Hope to come & study with you next time I'm visiting family in Brasil, brother Wilson.

Peace!

[lucadepu]

for the love of god what are you talking about? only the few are open,

[thejazzguitarist]

Beautiful. Just beautiful :)

On the topics of critizing: I stopped criticizing things I didnt like, years ago. For the simple reason that I realised that inevitably, months or years later, I would end up being passionately in love with what earlier had left me confused. I glad for this...its a simple sign of growth I suppose. When I was 23 I probably would have hated it- no disrespect to Wilson- it was 'I' who hadnt reached that level of listening. This is just gorgeous!

[shamisendemon]

I agree. This stuff is georgeous. And I also wanted to tell you that you have a very interesting point here about how when time passes things you dont like can come to make more sense to you.

I wish more people would adopt your insight cause there are so many who would just dismiss something like this without even understanding it.

[KguitarF]

This is like the shit and stuff.

awesommmenesssss!!!!!!

THROUGH sound waves.

[stephen22890]

This just makes me jealous.

[thebasscliff]

I love the way the dude smiles at the end, this sounds great!

[CadillacL]

Very nice. I'm not too familiar w/Twelve Tone but, I like what I hear here.

[sammerro]

Is it that Schonberg's idea, dodekafonia (by atonal)?

[Improvise411]

sweet,

[murraytaylor123]

I love the /idea/ of this. However I feel that his phrasing is a bit choppy and stilted in places. I'm loving the harmony though.

[edibleclam]

This is bliss.

[floaty10]

I wouldn't choose to listen to this over Clare de lune that's for sure.

Thought music was about expressing emotion through tension and release, light and shade. This doesn't seem to do any of that.

[jesuslover037]

Try some of Schoenberg's music. Expression isn't restricted to tonality.

[thebasscliff]

Then you're not listening hard enough. Besides, who said music had to be about anything? The jazz police?

[DanielDavisMusic]

Something about tells me you don't listen to much Debussy other than that tune...

[floaty10]

I could have mentioned "Etudes" or his "Violin Sonata" or many others. Clare de lune just happens to be his most famous piece, rightly or wrong. Judging by your age kid, i believe i've been listening to Debussy before you were born!!

I made the comparison, because Debussy often incorporated dissonances into his later works, yet they were normally within a musical structure. I can't discern a structure here and that for me spoils what is some excellent guitar playing.

[floaty10]

I understand that you've yet to appreciate that everyone has an opinion as valid as yours. Which would explain why your being rather obnoxious. Which i'm sure your not normally. 

However, I write again to further clarify:

Debussy's piece contains frequent tonal changes, yet it is probably the most recognized classical piece due to the strong use of MELODY and STRUCTURE.

[DanielDavisMusic]

Oh well, I agree to disagree then (lol at internet arguments anyway).

[floaty10]

I didn't reply to these comments' simply to start a slanging match, but to further some intelligent discussion.

I respect yours and others choice to like this form of music.

I simply aired my opinion that this music needs a framework. Musicians such as Coltrane would go on extended musical forays, but always to return to a repeating motif that anchored the tune, otherwise it just sounds like a tune up!!

Anyway enough said lol.

[anfribogart]

Twelve tone is not dead, it just smells funny! - I like it!!!

[SirFrone]

frank zappa is the man!

[ddanze]

well, regret the other comment...this is

quite cool...!

[intervalkid]

It's amazing that he is reading this piece.

He is a masterful reader. I would have memorized it. That is, of course, assuming I could play it. I love how it still sounds like blues even though it's polytonal. I hate how everyone seems to think you have to have a I-V-IV progression or it's not blues. There is so much more to be done with blues and this proves it cold.

[sammarshalluk]

I completely agree that he has captured blues in a completely different context to 1-5-4 and instead injected the feel of jazz into a 12 tone, I think its really amazing how he's managed to do such a thing, Iv never heard any other 12 tone like it

[laszlosirsom]

AWESOME!!!

[falconium]

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[srachgee]

12-tone music has a very wide range of expressions.  Listen to Alban Berg then Anton Webern. Very different, yet both 12-tone. Berg emphasized the tonality of 12-tone, where Webern avoided it. Extreme 12-tone, try listening to Milton Babbett. He included a mathematical serialness to the rhythm as well--you know: can't repeat an 1/8th note until you've played a 1/16th note--all note durations played in a serial fashion.

[Zephonic]

Bravissimo! Brilliant concept and fantastic execution. Please teach me!

[AnanasSidrati]

Very good! But could you please explain how this is related to the serial/12-tone system? Because I certainly hear the E tonal root.. which should be completely avoided for twelve tone...

[laszlosirsom]

AWESOME!!!

[iShAtBuL]

i would really know how to play and compose stuffs like this... and apply them over a "standard" progression...help!!

[emixolydian]

It wouldn't really work. Atonality and Tonality aren't really compatible.

[TimmyPage06]

Not in all cases. There is the concept of 'playing out', which is when you play something either atonal or dissonant over the chord. One trick I like, for example, is on a mMaj7 chord or a m6 chord, taking the melodic minor scale and shifting it up or down a semitone, playing a lick completely out of key, then pulling back in. It's quite common, and very.. off.. sounding in the beginning, but it's all in the pulling it back to the tonal center that it gets interesting.

[emixolydian]

Playing out isn't playing atonally. Atonality is the absence of a tonal center. Playing out is simply accenting and highlighting dissonances and then resolving them back to create a pleasing effect. The fact that there is a harmony to work with, initially, is enough to rule it tonal.

[afufkin]

Obviously a piece of music can't be both tonal and atonal - just think about it for a second! T

[tragictravisty]

different views or aspects of a piece can be considered tonal while others atonal, as can certain movements.

[franzliszt370]

You seriously need to listen to Alban Berg. Try the Violin Concerto. Tone row is G Bb D F# A C E G# B C# D# F. Tell me that's not tonal.

[emixolydian]

It's a tone row, how can it be tonal? The entire purpose of a tone row is to avoid giving one note preference over the others.

[iddyumpty]

emixolydian, it may have been the purpose of a tone row to avoid tonality but the success of avoiding tonality depends on on the choice of intervals in a row (and the corresponding inversions). If you have a lot of 3rds and 6ths in a row then this is bound to result in some triadic harmonies. Triadic harmonies will result in tonality. Berg's Violin Concerto does indeed sound tonal.

[logicus1]

franzliszt, I think most of us would agree that Berg's music is more palatable than most other serial music. Precisely because it did indeed convey a tonality

[chumbalakuku]

great player and cool jazz vantgarde stuffs

[magirecords2004]

Sounds very Frank Martino.

[magirecords2004]

Lol!!I mean Pat Martino.

[magirecords2004]

Viva Brasil, the land of hot soulful music!!!

Shalom,

K.

[intervalkid]

Nice piece. Definitely somewhat atonal or rather non-diatonic but I can see how it is serial. Nonetheless, excellent work!

[oldbreadandgrandsonA]

During the fall of 2008 I was taking some musical appreciation class at a crappy community college, and like, whenever our teacher played atonal music for us (on our lil CD's) I always laughed. It sounds like a baby babbling or the communication of nonsense, this stuff's great.

[wilsongomes]

i am sorry, my sponsor wrote that about me.

[apett1]

I don't know what kind of guitar that is, but its got some sweet ass tone!

[kevinm4435]

monderesque

[LemonDavis]

como é que esta musica é Twelve-tone Serial?

nao sei o que isso é, por isso..

[markmando222]

very innovative and interesting, thanks

[CoolSneakers]

Atonality = shitty music

[Gregorypeckory]

CoolSneakers=Closed mind, closed ears, driven to flap his lips though having nothing to say.

[SimbionteAE]

Clearly, you idiot, you are a rotten bastard with rotten ears

[wilsongomes]

for Camila I love you

[Gregorypeckory]

Interesting piece, and one has to admire your confidence, but wouldn't the words "master composer" mean more if they came from another person besides yourself?

[Nahs1l]

lol