Thank you for putting it in to perspective. I actually knew James Arthur Ray, and ooh boy, could I ever tell you some stories!! A Huge Phoney, LIAR, Womanizer, and Coke Head! At a church seminar, (where he was to scam folks into buying his materials, etc.) he was BADLY stoned on coke (not unusual)... and I told him not to go on, somehow he pulled it off. I have the video and photos! Biggest "scam artist" ever. Never cared about anyone but his bank account!
OUR WAYS ARE SACRED.... SINCE WE WERE YOUNG, WE WERE TAUGHT TO RESPECT OUR CREATOR. THE SWEAT LODGE IS ONE OF OUR MOST POWERFUL HEALING'S, AND YOU DONT SPIT ON IT. THIS UNGRATEFUL MAN USED OUR MEDICINE FOR HIS GREED!! WE WERE ALSO TAUGHT IF YOU USE OUR MEDICINE IN SELFISH, GREEDY WAYS IT WILL TURN ON YOU. SORRY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS MAN DESERVED.
he's not old annd wise yet to do this.... elders should have went in and break that lodge... why a guru anyway??? should be elders nnot guru ahha... he should feel bad...
ive heard of people seeing spirts during sweats and the piont is calling spirts and some times they cant send them back maybe this has something to do with
Ha! Ray said he's got his own investigation team going on this one. A bluff, I think. And what will they find out eventually if they are any good at all?--that he's a arrogant dumb-ass fool guilty of reckless endangerment and responsible for the deaths of three people who trusted in him and his leadership. Reminds me of O.J. saying he was investigating the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. He spent his time looking for their murderer(s) on golf courses.
LOOKS like a "jim jones" with rocks and steam .He even says "If I told you what to do ,would you do it"once the demons where there the outcome was to be worse,so thank God you were spared.The so-called "spiritual leaders" would not allow anyone help,tricking their minds by saying "wait until the next round" amazing!
@christophorM Exactly what I thought - Jim Jones! The fact it wasn't held like traditional and real Native lodges and the fact it was done for money is wrong. Shamans, medicine men/women and spiritual leaders take years to study particular practices lol I don't think this guy did much research or had respect at all
@seharris11yes... another handsome smooth talker, lusting for money and power...and lonely followers trying to find themselves and looking for some type of spiritual guidance.very dangerous mixture.
yeah you..as in you..english 101 class it means another group or person ..as in you people are trying to be fake natives...and i am not white so i cannot say..us...understand
YOUR PEOPLE ARE THE ones who died by the hand of the creator!! there is no casino where i am!! we work you fool...you should try it!! keep playing indian...cuz you hate your white trash self...i would too...
NATIVEpridehope: With all the Global Cooling going on, aren't you worried the Bering Strait may freeze over again & all your young injuns may wander back to Asia where you guys came from 20,000 years ago?
I feel sorry for you drunken, broke Asian-Americans.
WERE NATIVE AMERICAN YOU FOOL.....i laugh at this story...stupid white demons wanna play indian and got STRUCK down by The great Creator.....trying to stael my culture...got cooked instead!!...
superyaotl your right!! they probably say they are the real natives too! dont worry i am native!! THEY WILL NOT STEAL MY HERITAGE!! the great creator slayed this evil people down!! RESEARCH fake native americans...
WHITE people have no soul and no path to God because of all the evil they have done..so they STEAL THE culture of my people to try to sneak pass the creator..PLAYING WITH THE Sacred...the creator straight wiped them out....basically they were evil people using new age witchcraft...not anywhere near REAL NATIVE MEDICINE..
I know James Arthur Ray very well, he is a phony, a womanizer, and I have good reason to believe a coke head. His LOVE for money, and recklessness has now made him a murderer. Don't be taken in by this conman. He is PURE SLIME! Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
Really? You know him? I'd be interested to hear more about the man.
I follow some of the "gurus" like Wayne Dyer, but a friend of mine introduced me to Ray's stuff only a few weeks ago. Great timing. Ray's got some great videos out there, but I wonder about that strange look in his eye.
Sooner or later, every single person who attended that sweat lodge will die. And each time, James Ray will be accused of "one more homicide from the sweat lodge." Jeez, this is like saying swine flu vaccination is dangerous just because someone who just got it had a safe fall on his head. 50 years from now, we will be seeing pee-in-your-pants scared headlines "60th Death in Sweat Lodge Mass Murder!!"
Wow, it's unbelievable how many people are being so cruel in their judgments (especially being on the outside looking in). First of all, this is a tragedy - why not treat it like a tragedy? That would mean be respectful for those that have lost their lives. I've met James Ray, who is a very compassionate man. Those that compare him to Jim Jones are severely misguided (or just plain contemptible). The people who lost their lives were James' friends, and he's grieving those losses.
I am NATIVE! that was no sweat lodge that was pile of plastic trash! pay 9000$ to die in that thing lol! those were white fake jews who are trying to use our culture for evil...trying to save their wretched souls...seems like the creator chose to take your life for playing with the sacred! what they didnt tell you was that they were having gay sex and orgies as part of their "plastic indian" healing b.s. now their dead what perfect justice!
they my have suffocated in the dark, or the fumes or the sulfide from the farts or maybe some one decided to strangle them in the dark like it was a guess who game.i hear 3 runners died of coronary arrest today maybe it was the heat, maybe the carbon dioxide built up to high just talk to AL gore about that one, could have been swine flu, dehydration, or suicide cult thingy, but i think i would have just died when i found out they charged 10grand for this crappy vacation.i could go on and on.
Without endorsing Ray or this incident, it's people trying to open up to their spiritual nature.
I read Wayne' Dyer's first book over 20 years ago and it changed my life. Thank God I realized I was more than the person who was raised by dysfunctional parents!
While I agree these deaths are a tragedy, they did come about because of ignorance. These people died because of their blind acceptance of alternative medicine and new age self help techniques.
From what I've read, the American Indians reaped a lot of benefits from the use of sweat lodges, but this one was constructed very poorly. Ray needed to use BREATHABLE material, not a freakin' TARP!!
What the fuck happened? They just all sat there and suddenly started to become ill? Maybe someone came in with a bad case of the fucking swine flu or something. As for the heat, unless these people went there because they are complete fucking idiots in life, then I think they would've brought maybe a baseball hat and a water bottle to keep the heat from eating them alive.
people are so dumb. "the authorities haven't determined the cause of the deaths" ?... are you kidding me
of course when you have more than 50 people crowded into a tent in the Middle of the Desert for long enough, people are bound to die of dehydration & heat exhaustion.
i watched this and recognized two of the pall bearers (from high school), and have no idea what the connection is to the dead person, but it's them alright! (from NY?)
Ok here is scene from the drama*Girl in SL says,oh its cleansing,Old man says,yeah,oh u skin is boling..girls says,i guess im haveing alot to cleanse..old man says,,,arrghh,pfft.Girls offft pooff lol
at what point do the morons who voluntarily dehydrate themselves have to take responsibility for their own pathetically stupid actions? these new age hippie idiots are so desperate to have a spiritual experience, that they'll do anything some moron tells to do.
You have no idea what this is doing to the "sweat lodge ceremony" business. I guess if you want to sweat profusely in America these days you're going to have to chase an ice cream truck.
I've never seen such a big sweat lodge, it's no wonder that people died in there. This makes it look bad for the native americans who run their own sweats.
people are supposed to be comfortable in a sweat not crowded like that.
I've never seen such a big sweat lodge, it's no wonder that people died in there. This makes it look bad for the native americans who run their own sweats.
people are supposed to be comfortable in a sweat not crowded like that.
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Thank you for putting it in to perspective. I actually knew James Arthur Ray, and ooh boy, could I ever tell you some stories!! A Huge Phoney, LIAR, Womanizer, and Coke Head! At a church seminar, (where he was to scam folks into buying his materials, etc.) he was BADLY stoned on coke (not unusual)... and I told him not to go on, somehow he pulled it off. I have the video and photos! Biggest "scam artist" ever. Never cared about anyone but his bank account!
atlantoon 1 year ago
OUR WAYS ARE SACRED.... SINCE WE WERE YOUNG, WE WERE TAUGHT TO RESPECT OUR CREATOR. THE SWEAT LODGE IS ONE OF OUR MOST POWERFUL HEALING'S, AND YOU DONT SPIT ON IT. THIS UNGRATEFUL MAN USED OUR MEDICINE FOR HIS GREED!! WE WERE ALSO TAUGHT IF YOU USE OUR MEDICINE IN SELFISH, GREEDY WAYS IT WILL TURN ON YOU. SORRY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS MAN DESERVED.
Puishawe 1 year ago
@Puishawe IS THE CAPS LOCK SACRED TO YOU PEOPLE TO?
TheSerpant1483 1 year ago
he's not old annd wise yet to do this.... elders should have went in and break that lodge... why a guru anyway??? should be elders nnot guru ahha... he should feel bad...
Rez2wardsHope 1 year ago
ive heard of people seeing spirts during sweats and the piont is calling spirts and some times they cant send them back maybe this has something to do with
it
DemonicXnaruto11 1 year ago
James Arthur Ray is HEARTLESS!!!!
Pammoe 2 years ago
James Ray is HEARTLESS!!!
Pammoe 2 years ago
Ha! Ray said he's got his own investigation team going on this one. A bluff, I think. And what will they find out eventually if they are any good at all?--that he's a arrogant dumb-ass fool guilty of reckless endangerment and responsible for the deaths of three people who trusted in him and his leadership. Reminds me of O.J. saying he was investigating the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. He spent his time looking for their murderer(s) on golf courses.
vinnynumbnuts 2 years ago
Hey James Ray..here is the great SECRET of life..dont trap hundreds of people in a sweatlodge in the middle of the desert. jackass
jefflamb2412 2 years ago
ha,ha,ha,ha, the POPE SAW WHERE THE REAL POWER IS NOW he,he,,HA..NOW THE CHURCH WILL CHANGE THEIR STORIES AGAIN HA,HA,..
mayatratar 2 years ago
Crazy pale face wannabe indians baked themselves to death
lhtbuilder 2 years ago
This is so sad. I wonder if James Arthur Ray has "hired the same team to investigate these deaths" that OJ hired.
dustbunnieboo 2 years ago
LOOKS like a "jim jones" with rocks and steam .He even says "If I told you what to do ,would you do it"once the demons where there the outcome was to be worse,so thank God you were spared.The so-called "spiritual leaders" would not allow anyone help,tricking their minds by saying "wait until the next round" amazing!
christophorM 2 years ago 6
@christophorM Exactly what I thought - Jim Jones! The fact it wasn't held like traditional and real Native lodges and the fact it was done for money is wrong. Shamans, medicine men/women and spiritual leaders take years to study particular practices lol I don't think this guy did much research or had respect at all
seharris11 1 year ago
@seharris11yes... another handsome smooth talker, lusting for money and power...and lonely followers trying to find themselves and looking for some type of spiritual guidance.very dangerous mixture.
christophorM 1 year ago
yeah you..as in you..english 101 class it means another group or person ..as in you people are trying to be fake natives...and i am not white so i cannot say..us...understand
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
Nativepride....YOU people? lol You sound as bad as the idiotic white supremacist types here. Use your head mate.
Nigelxman 2 years ago
Nigelxman: NATIVEpridehope's just another drunken, bitter broke-ass Asian-American.
glocker8888 2 years ago
YOUR PEOPLE ARE THE ones who died by the hand of the creator!! there is no casino where i am!! we work you fool...you should try it!! keep playing indian...cuz you hate your white trash self...i would too...
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
NATIVEpridehope: With all the Global Cooling going on, aren't you worried the Bering Strait may freeze over again & all your young injuns may wander back to Asia where you guys came from 20,000 years ago?
I feel sorry for you drunken, broke Asian-Americans.
glocker8888 2 years ago
WERE NATIVE AMERICAN YOU FOOL.....i laugh at this story...stupid white demons wanna play indian and got STRUCK down by The great Creator.....trying to stael my culture...got cooked instead!!...
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
NATIVEpridehope said "WERE NATIVE AMERICAN YOU FOOL"
No, you're not. How are you "native" american when your ancestors walked across the frozen Bering Strait circa 20,000 years ago from Asia?
glocker8888 2 years ago
@glocker8888 lol im part native american... and i do slightly disagree with being called native american.. lol. old american? ha who knows...
loull287 1 year ago
@glocker8888 Prove It. You Can't Prove it Dumbass.
ApacheLife5465 1 year ago
superyaotl your right!! they probably say they are the real natives too! dont worry i am native!! THEY WILL NOT STEAL MY HERITAGE!! the great creator slayed this evil people down!! RESEARCH fake native americans...
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
Be careful native ppl, these ppl r trying to steal r culture.Soon they be saying its their culture.
superyaotl 2 years ago 2
POETIC JUSTICE>>>dont mess with the SACRED!! native ways is not for the WHITE man! thats what you get!
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago 2
What's so sacred about a gambling casino,you fucking squaw?
rw5791 2 years ago
THEY were having GAY SEX and orgies..they dont put that in the news BECAUSE then people will know how sick these people really are....
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
WHITE people have no soul and no path to God because of all the evil they have done..so they STEAL THE culture of my people to try to sneak pass the creator..PLAYING WITH THE Sacred...the creator straight wiped them out....basically they were evil people using new age witchcraft...not anywhere near REAL NATIVE MEDICINE..
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
I know James Arthur Ray very well, he is a phony, a womanizer, and I have good reason to believe a coke head. His LOVE for money, and recklessness has now made him a murderer. Don't be taken in by this conman. He is PURE SLIME! Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
atlantoon 2 years ago
Really? You know him? I'd be interested to hear more about the man.
I follow some of the "gurus" like Wayne Dyer, but a friend of mine introduced me to Ray's stuff only a few weeks ago. Great timing. Ray's got some great videos out there, but I wonder about that strange look in his eye.
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
The problem is theres not enough evidence.
Jenfucius 2 years ago
Unbeleivable indeed! So much judgementalismness.
Sooner or later, every single person who attended that sweat lodge will die. And each time, James Ray will be accused of "one more homicide from the sweat lodge." Jeez, this is like saying swine flu vaccination is dangerous just because someone who just got it had a safe fall on his head. 50 years from now, we will be seeing pee-in-your-pants scared headlines "60th Death in Sweat Lodge Mass Murder!!"
waterboardbush 2 years ago
Wow, it's unbelievable how many people are being so cruel in their judgments (especially being on the outside looking in). First of all, this is a tragedy - why not treat it like a tragedy? That would mean be respectful for those that have lost their lives. I've met James Ray, who is a very compassionate man. Those that compare him to Jim Jones are severely misguided (or just plain contemptible). The people who lost their lives were James' friends, and he's grieving those losses.
jmitchB3 2 years ago
I am NATIVE! that was no sweat lodge that was pile of plastic trash! pay 9000$ to die in that thing lol! those were white fake jews who are trying to use our culture for evil...trying to save their wretched souls...seems like the creator chose to take your life for playing with the sacred! what they didnt tell you was that they were having gay sex and orgies as part of their "plastic indian" healing b.s. now their dead what perfect justice!
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago 2
ugh,do you have pride and hope in your casino's? See,you're part of the game now so don't try to lecture anybody cuz it just makes you look silly.
rw5791 2 years ago
not all reservations have casinos...you must be uneducated white trash..right? lol..
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
many moons ago white man come,speak with forked tongue.Ugh,now red man play dice,get heapum wampum from white man,drink fire water all day.
rw5791 2 years ago
now ugly pale play indian... great hunter slay white trash....
NATIVEpridehope 2 years ago
Look at me! I'm an Indian! says the libtard, as he draws his last breath. LOL!
patsagainstrats 2 years ago
thats a stupidly built lodge man.
sweats are pretty intense to, like a sauna but 5x as hot. if plastic is being used then something is being released from being that hot.
we usually do 6-8 rounds every ceremony, each round could be anywhere from 2-6 minutes long. all the signs of heat stroke come to also.
but its awesome in there. i dont think this dude knows what hes doing, trying to have a super-sweat or something.
bodybag3b 2 years ago
it's called heat stroke.The first sign is dizzyness and you should get into an ac'd space asap and get some fluids also.
rw5791 2 years ago
they my have suffocated in the dark, or the fumes or the sulfide from the farts or maybe some one decided to strangle them in the dark like it was a guess who game.i hear 3 runners died of coronary arrest today maybe it was the heat, maybe the carbon dioxide built up to high just talk to AL gore about that one, could have been swine flu, dehydration, or suicide cult thingy, but i think i would have just died when i found out they charged 10grand for this crappy vacation.i could go on and on.
datzfast 2 years ago
Without endorsing Ray or this incident, it's people trying to open up to their spiritual nature.
I read Wayne' Dyer's first book over 20 years ago and it changed my life. Thank God I realized I was more than the person who was raised by dysfunctional parents!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
I've never seen a sweat lodge that big before. Usually they are 1/8 that size.
Mistermuggz 2 years ago
um...thats some weird shit
BadDaddy911 2 years ago
While I agree these deaths are a tragedy, they did come about because of ignorance. These people died because of their blind acceptance of alternative medicine and new age self help techniques.
Sarastro42 2 years ago
I think it's ignorance and arrogance.
From what I've read, the American Indians reaped a lot of benefits from the use of sweat lodges, but this one was constructed very poorly. Ray needed to use BREATHABLE material, not a freakin' TARP!!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
What the fuck happened? They just all sat there and suddenly started to become ill? Maybe someone came in with a bad case of the fucking swine flu or something. As for the heat, unless these people went there because they are complete fucking idiots in life, then I think they would've brought maybe a baseball hat and a water bottle to keep the heat from eating them alive.
makedonija77 2 years ago
how sad is that when ppl try to make the rest of us look bad!!
Bupyee 2 years ago
people are so dumb. "the authorities haven't determined the cause of the deaths" ?... are you kidding me
of course when you have more than 50 people crowded into a tent in the Middle of the Desert for long enough, people are bound to die of dehydration & heat exhaustion.
lucidddddd 2 years ago
it could be the plastic fumes from the tarpaulin
11NACTX11 2 years ago
I was once overcome by heat in an apartment with a weak air conditioner. I can't imagine what it was like under that creepy tent!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
i watched this and recognized two of the pall bearers (from high school), and have no idea what the connection is to the dead person, but it's them alright! (from NY?)
tolexor 2 years ago
Next time try microwave.its alot faster.
ok cleansing 2 sec. lol
urbanprophet777 2 years ago
again why am I not suprised?
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daltongang79 2 years ago
this guy james earl ray looks suspicious.What is he,an indian or something?
rw5791 2 years ago
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FigurinItOut 2 years ago
He is a closet homo?
waterboardbush 2 years ago
Perhaps...
Who knows what skeletons are in people's closets!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
Ok here is scene from the drama*Girl in SL says,oh its cleansing,Old man says,yeah,oh u skin is boling..girls says,i guess im haveing alot to cleanse..old man says,,,arrghh,pfft.Girls offft pooff lol
urbanprophet777 2 years ago
I guess thats the end of *The sauna God*
urbanprophet777 2 years ago
Its Getting Hot in Here..Another episode of *The Cooking Pot*.
Dear God,i hope the average american is smarter then this lol.Why on earth would you cook ure self to DEATH???...
urbanprophet777 2 years ago
at what point do the morons who voluntarily dehydrate themselves have to take responsibility for their own pathetically stupid actions? these new age hippie idiots are so desperate to have a spiritual experience, that they'll do anything some moron tells to do.
mdjbm 2 years ago
Ive met this man personnally, and i dont know what happen. But im sure there is a lot more to the picture than the 41 sec shown here.
jcperez0426 2 years ago
You have no idea what this is doing to the "sweat lodge ceremony" business. I guess if you want to sweat profusely in America these days you're going to have to chase an ice cream truck.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago
did it to himself
not homicide- manslaughter at best
REPOTAG 2 years ago
"james arthuraaaaaaaay" lol
ChristinaWatkinson 2 years ago
all sweaty.. and sticky...kinda makes you think..
humananus 2 years ago
must be too hot
pubtor 2 years ago
too hot to handle. ;]
humananus 2 years ago
sux / all they really wanted was a good sweat!
moviedude22 2 years ago
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I've never seen such a big sweat lodge, it's no wonder that people died in there. This makes it look bad for the native americans who run their own sweats.
people are supposed to be comfortable in a sweat not crowded like that.
Moralinstigator 2 years ago
I've never seen such a big sweat lodge, it's no wonder that people died in there. This makes it look bad for the native americans who run their own sweats.
people are supposed to be comfortable in a sweat not crowded like that.
Moralinstigator 2 years ago 2
Jim Jones returns
DemonicGemini 2 years ago
I hope the survivors sue the FUCK out of him. Senceless deaths....
jadebrew 2 years ago 6
@jadebrew Let's seek spiritual solutions rather than revenge because that's God's Will. Dieter
Indianinthemachine 1 year ago
Stupid people. Does cramming into a sweat lodge with 50 other people make sense to anyone here? Didn't think so.
CopperheadTM 2 years ago 4
You're right, what the hell did they think was going to happen?
grasseater108 2 years ago
That Guy is a Creep!!!
Nothing more than a Cult Leader!!!
ErickReyKing91 2 years ago 3