"Israel is a lighthouse and the only democracy in a dark and tyrannical region," he declares. "It's part of us, of our European identity. Israel is fighting our war."
Why waste time on him... Just silence him in the media... I hate him 'representing' the people of the Netherlands... He stands alone, being naked & angry... Making himself look like a damn fool...
The problem of mass Muslim immigration into Europe would not exist if the west did not always intervene into Muslim majority countries and undermine them. Funding terror groups in Turkey, providing food aid to Africa as a means of persuasion and a general orientalism on all Muslim people especially on Arabs sets the scene up for xenophobic fraks such as Wilder to come in and take power which is just what Hitler did with in regards to Jewish people. Fair treatment is the only way for forward.
FUCK ZIONIST WILDERS!!! Only 6 % of dutch population is muslim....Wilders is the new hitler.... dutch pay for his safeness,including muslims.. while putting dutch in danger..because of hatespeak..shut up wilders with your blonded hair and your blue eue lenced to cover up your indonesian roots....YOU HAD MANY AFFAIRS DURING YOUR MARRIAGE!!!!!
He says to Stephen " How dare you call me racist" right after he said that people in Saudi Arabia "can't even spell democracy" He just labeled a whole nation as illiterate! I urge everyone to pick up the nearest dictionary they can find and look up the word JOKE. Bet your last dime there will be a picture of that clown right beside it.
After abusing ISlam, He wants Muslim to be Tollerent? Makes no sense, Same goes for Israel, they kill palestinian Muslims and Christains and when Palestinian fight back they are called INTOLERRENT people.
@drdavethedude: Yet more errant rants of ignorance. Most of the issues u cite have nothing to do with Islam or Shariah.. As for homophobia, I dont see Christianity or any other religion embracing it so ur attempt to include that in ur accusations exposes ur sheer anti-Islam bias & Islam-bashing streak. As for 'free-speech', most of those Muslim-majority countries that have dictators today are supported by the great 'democratic' West - be it Europe or Uncle Sam.. Spare us ur diatribes!
@faris710 Gays are hanged in Iran and Saudi Arabia, not Vatican City. Equating Muslim EXECUTION with "Christianity...(not) embracing" is a sick joke. Islamic "Honor killings" occur weekly throughout the Muslim world, and sporadically in USA, EU and Canada. Danish cartoons and artsy Dutch movies result in riots and cold blooded murders to stifle free speech...what did "dictators" have to do with riots in Europe?? Stop embarrassing yourself. Regards
@drdavethedude: Vatican City? is that even a country other than a piece of land given to the Pope to shut him up n give him a backseat to civilization? Comparing Saudi n Iran with Vatican is like comparing apples n oranges! Honor killings? How about the Austrian man who repeatedly raped his daughter for 24yrs n kept her in a cellar all her life with the kids he fathered? How about the German woman that killed her children n froze them in her freezer? Quit ranting like a lunatic n educate urself
@drdavethedude: How about we figure out who invented car-bombings? A Belgian & then perfected by an Italian.. Who perfected suicide bombings? Tamil Tigers.. Who condemned a figure like Nelson Mandela as a 'terrorist'... Answer to all these questions is the same: NOT MUSLIMS. So grow up, get out of your basement, take in some fresh air, walk to your nearest library & try to feed some knowledge to the little sack you have for a brain hanging between your legs. Good day..
"A good neighbor is not the same as a member of the family"...wise words from a wise man. The Liberal views on immigration that are widespread in Europe are fine if the immigrants themselves were to have similar liberal views. Unfortunately they often don't. To believe otherwise is to delude yourself.
@drdavethedude: And we thought that European 'democracy' was 'pluralist', giving equal opportunity to all irrespective of race, creed, religious believes, political views... I guess the charade could only last sooo long..
@faris710 "equal opportunity to all irrespective of race, creed..." Sounds good to me!! The problem is pluralist democracies are unfortunately vulnerable. Is Sharia more "pluralist" for you?? When a rapidly growing minority DEMANDS not just "equality", but in fact SUPERIORITY...submit or else! Get it?
@drdavethedude: I have yet to see Muslims demanding 'superiority' in any European country.. Instead of rhetorical polemic, please provide facts, data, sources, etc.. Empty rants based on your perceived threat of what 'might' the Muslims want, etc are pointless and wasteful of my time to respond to. Nothing wrong with Sharia.. unless of course you follow Islamophobic websites' diatribes against anything Islamic instead of doing your own research into matters you do not comprehend..
@drdavethedude The Muslim population in America integrates fine into American society and economically they fair better than the average for immigrant populations. Its funny that we enlightened Europeans have criticized the US many times as being rascist, now that we in Europe have a diversifying population of different nationalities, cultures, and religions we're seeing a much more fascist and extreme reaction. Islamic extremism is dangerous but not as dangerous as Wilder's.
@drdavethedude oh man you dont seam to get it ! this guy is never about any thing he says he is , he doesn't care about Europe, he wants to see a full white society with one or three religions ,and the last time a crazy guy wanted the exact same thing "hetler" all hell broke loose when he got it , so giving this nut job any attention is like giving it to a Nazi
@drdavethedude you're right, and having lived in Europe for 11 years (I'm from North America), I can attest to the fact that many in fact don't. The problem, however, is stereotyping: I knew Sikh friends, for example, who didn't embrace all Western values, whilst I had known two Turkish friends who were secular Muslims. The solution is to be vigilant via intelligence ops to ensure security- not by whipping up hate to drive every1 out. Plus Wilders is an Israeli agent, so his motives rnt v. pure.
@elsblaugranas Yup. Wilders is an Israeli agent. Shame on him not applying the values of Judaism. Yes,. he was preaching at a FL synagogue. I saw that video on youtube.
geert wilders is the next hitler, he is following hitlers rise to power step for step. him and his freedom party are pure nazism 100%. its actually offensive to fascism to call him a fascist hes much worse. we are witnessing the rise of ethnocentric racist nazism in europe again. he may seem nice and civil now but as he gains more and more power we will see the monster come out. if america has to go to war to save europe from racial authoritarianism again, this time we are not giving it back.
I am not racist and I believe that Europe and the Netherlands are not racist when they claim they want to preserve their identity. It is not a matter of superiority or inferiority. I love the world in all of its expressions but if a person wants to move to Europe, he/she should accept our core values in my opinion.
believe it or not, it's possible to be a conservative and NOT be a chauvinistic, racist, anti-intellectual, fear-mongering fool. a pity that wilders does not believe this.
the level of cognitive dissonance is alarming. holland should leave the EU if turkiye is admitted...but he wants to have good relations with the turks. (????)
this man is a classic politician, no more, no less. anyone expecting a messiah deserves to be let down.
@RightConservativeNL The "white man" is the reason that there are so many immigrants in Europe, they (/we..im white, but not one of "them) have been killing innocent people and ruiend their contries and homes and made them have to fleed from their contry, at least the pople responsible for this can allow the surviviors to come live in peace in their "respective countires".. and "relative" peace. I know as many "white" people that "cheat" the system as i do immigrants, you are ignorant buddy!
@RightConservativeNL Your ancestors were responsible for the thousands of deaths and invented the concept of Apartheid in south Africa. If you didn't want to mix and live with other cultures, maybe your ancestors shouldn't have invaded, looted and divided other countries.
He is so stupid, contradicting himself, by saying that Holland should leave the European Union if Turkey is accepted in it, and he then says he wants to have good relations with Turkey!! He is a jerk accusing the highly intelligent guy sitting in front of him by calling him ignorant!! He is simply stupid fascist, small one though, I wouldn't put him on the same level with Hitler, even though he reminds me of Hitle's Judeophobia.
holy crap....this guy is Hitler. I honestly don't get him. He says he is the defender of free speech (sound of like what Hitler said) but yet he wants to BAN the Qur'an!!! (why doesn't he read it from front to back and get to know some converts to Islam.....maybe Muhammad Ali, Cat Stevens, or what about the female reporter who was captured from the Taliban and then later released and converted to Islam)......Ignorance hatred and just plain stupidity will also be the leading cause of death.
@faris710 you are disgusting. just because a nation wants preservation and nationality, you claim its racist filth. your a joke. Caucasians are less than 20% of the worlds population but since they want to dominate the space that they live in and have built upon, its racist? what a fucking joke. you are the racist one and extremely ignorant for thinking europe needs to be saturated with other cultures. you are a blinded, feeble minded, destructive parasite.
exactly, 20% of the world's population feels some ill-placed sense of entitlement & want to control the other 80% just cuz of the color of their skin.. & some recent achievements.. But ofcourse, the ignorant runt you are, they forgot to teach you that people such as Avicenna and Averoes were not Caucasians.. Parasite is one who feeds off of others to help itself.. that is more true of how the great Europeans of today came to be via colonialism & imperialism, than any other race.
@faris710 You hit it right on the head. They are the parasites themselves. They forget how they built their nations through invasions, and colonialism and imperialism. They forget how they took the natural and human resources of NON WHITE nations and took it back to Europe .
@RightConservativeNL "Ethnic cleansing"?? Do you even know what that word means?? That is what your ancestors did again in South Africa and named of all people Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The dutch invaded the nederland antilles, curasao, etc. Brits invaded palestine, india, pakistan, etc. and lets not forget the french, all leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths but somehow, moving to europe is labelled "ethnically cleansing". Get a God damn education you fool.
@RightConservativeNL hahaha my man look at your nick right conservative NL :) you are a lost case and a big disgrace for all europeans.. plus you bitches who come from colonizing countries should understand that if you go and invade other ppls countries you cant really get upset when they follow you back home!!
I find it disgraceful that the reporter should call him racist, that's clearly not what it is, hes just expressing his concern for his country, of people exploiting democracy ( of which every European country isnt anymore ) Islam has a lot of problems, constant wars and fighting, suicide bombings, bombing of children. I find it highly unlikely that any body wouldn't agree with this guy if one of these extremists were to come and blow up the school in which your children reside.
and I find it distasteful that you accuse the reporter of calling WIlders racist out of context.. The reporter only calls Wilders racist after Wilders says that he is not in favor of non-white majority in any Dutch city in terms of demographics.. Nothing to do with Islam.. Only to do with color of skin.. try to hear that part again if you failed to understand the first time, as is demonstrated by ur ill-informed comment
He simply points out that these people aren't Dutch. If you don't speak the language, don't understand the history and culture, if your family isn't from there, if you don't share the same values and even have a wildly different religion, than you aren't Dutch... a passport does not make you Dutch. Calling someone a "racist" generally indicates you believe they are a supremacist of some sort, which is inaccurate as Wilders has in no way indicated racism, he's just pointing out facts.
Spreading lies won't do you any good.. The reporter clearly asks Geert Wilders if Wilders would still oppose non-white majorities in major Dutch cities, EVEN IF those people accepted Dutch values & integrated properly.. Wilders says 'NO'.. if you have a unique definition of what constitutes a racist in your fantasy world... do enlighten us..
Maybe in your dreams, because in reality his support is still growing.
I wouldn't be surprised if his party became the number one in the near future. Maybe even before the next elections in 2012.
I wouldn't even be surprised if that will spark major civil unrest, because the diversion between the people in the Netherlands is at an all time high right now.
Waarom denk je dat ik een Wilders aanhanger ben? Omdat ik hem geen fascist noem?
Ik ben het op een aantal punten met hem eens, maar lang niet op alle. Daarnaast vertrouw ik zijn banden met de VS en Israël voor geen meter.
Lang niet iedereen die hem gelijk geeft op zijn standpunt tegen de Islamisering is een NAZI, alhoewel het linkse schaapjesvolk dat maar al te graag roept.
Islam is not a race; to say that Wilders is racist is absurd. He is a strong admirer of Israel. Islam stands for values that the West does not share, intolerance towards other religions, ultra-conservative values with regards to women. Wilder is standing up for Western values of freedom and democracy, and he is very brave considering that other Dutch men such as Theo Van Gogh have paid the ultimate price for exercising their right to free speech.
Western values also consist of colonialism, imperialism, the Holocaust, etc.. Muslims & Islam in general do not need lecture on tolerance, women, etc from Europeans.. Islam was already light years ahead while Europe was plunged in the Dark Ages.. Wilders is a fascist and fascist-apologists like yourself come dime-a-dozen on youtube with nothing but your blissful ignorance to show for.
Why is he a fascist? Do you even know what a fascist is? Or are you just using a buzzword?
If you like Islam, fine, then go live in an Islamic country. But don't pretend to have the right to invade another culture. Like Wilders said, it's common sense.
Also, it's near impossible in all Islamic countries, to get a Catholic or Jewish or whatever religious movement going. So why should other countries be so generous?
But the REAL sad things is, we are all being played out against eachothers.
*yawn* Same ignorant bile that is available on youtube dime-a-dozen.. Please tell us what Islam has done to 'invade' Dutch culture.. provide facts & figures, else don't waste people's time with rhetorical polemic.. Muslims constitute a mere 5% of Dutch population with no political or commercial clout to influence any status-quo
Except Saudi Arabia, almost all Muslim countries have hundreds of Synagogues and Churches.. Visit an Islamic country to re-educate yourself on some very basic facts
@ subutubiata: Women cannot divorced. They don't have the right. They have to get the right in court. whereas the men only has to say 3 times the same text. Also the childeren after divorce can stay with the mother until 9 girl and 13 boy. Then a mother will not see her childeren anymore. This is mean.
Posting cartoons of Prophet Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi wassalam is freedom of expression in "Di-mocracy". Yes he said "Di-mocracy" and was making fun of saudi Arabia not knowing how to spell Democracy. First learn how to pronounce democracy. Anyways, its a crime in Germany to even question the holocaust, why isnt it a freedom of expression when it comes to the holocaust huh, where did the freedom of expression disappear to?
Not to mention that French rapper, OrelSan had his concerts canceled by French govt and copies of his hit album withdrawn from music stores because feminist groups complained his lyrics were 'offensive' and 'derogatory' towards women..
Wrong. Stephen Sackur asks Wilders if Wilders would accept non-white majority Dutch cities [could be Muslims, Jewish or Christian - question is about RACE] and Geert Wilders says NO. Hence he calls Wilders a racist... Watch the entire interview before passing judgments
Big up Freedom of Speech, Die Censorship!!!!!!! Geert is just heavy pissed off cos his mate Theo Van gogh (related to vincent) was killed by a muslim extremist. The film made by Theo Van Gogh(Peace be upon him) was a well made, emotional short film based on the experience of an Islamic girl, It is called 'Submission part one' and is easy to find on youtube. Anyway, the film was good and made a fair point about the submission of women in Islam. T.V.G. died for making art at the hands of an idiot.
Being protrayed as mere sexual toys is not a forced pattern on women in the western world. Don't generalize.
If they want to they can be, if they don't then not, they can go on to be lawyers, doctors, even reach highest ranking office (Angela Merkel). And this is liberating.
Before you think I generalize, I don't, I don't believe all Muslims are fanatics, or terrorists, but a large noticeable number of terrorists and religious fanatics account for Muslims.
My comment was measured in tone in accordance with user 'noklarok's comment. When anthropologists sit down to identify trends; they analyze mainstream tendencies in societies. I've spent years living in Canada which today has 62% divorce rate; let alone Europe.
Nothing in my comment suggests that I am generalizing either; there are many decent Westerners around but statistics speak for themselves.
The statistics may merely indicate that women have the right to leave dysfunctional or abusive relationships, without suffering discrimanatory judicial treatment. Saudi Arabia has a very low divorce rate, but women do not have full legal or human status.
Oh, and I urge you to look at the Hard Talk interview with Anjem Choudary, see how the anchor shreds Choudary's Islamic fascist ideology & arguments to bits while forcing him to sidetrack answers to 'real' questions.
I don't get how freedom of speech works. From what I see from the world now, Salman Rushdie writes a book which calls Margaret Thatcher a bitch or somethin like that, and he wins an award. Mickey Rourke calls her policies the same thing and he's banned from the UK.
In another interview, the making fun of Jews is considered insulting and anti-Semitic, but the making fun of Muslims is okay and all Muslims who protest are extremists???
Its all about being politically correct, 'going with the flow' as they say. Europeans who preach 'freedom of expression' & 'freedom of speech' when it comes to Danish Cartoon controversy or Geert Wilders or Ayan Hirsi Ali - telling Muslims to appreciate European way of life - are the same Europeans who would put people in jail just for questioning the extent of the Holocaust, let alone deny it & put people in jail for criticizing certain Royal Families or digging up Europe's past dirty laundry.
The man is speaking perfect sense..people who call him racist/ fascist just for expressing his opinion are completely ignorant, he is not inciting hatred but merely stating facts that everyone else is too afraid to speak of.. I share his exact views and I am not racist, I'm glad someone has finally had the courage to discuss this (lets just hope the muslim extremists dont put a price on his head!)
Every racists says 'Im not a racist'.. its ok, we understand ur inherent insecurities vis-a-vis non-whites and non-Christians..
try learning the difference b/w expressing ur opinion & actually demonizing someone else without presenting any hardcore evidence.. if u call Wilder's pathetic video-clip called 'fitna' as evidence; you need to stop taking those depression pills & come up wid some serious & intellectual arguments!
The word "racist" is both singular and plural - you don't need to add an "s" to it.
As for your "point" - Islam is not a race, ergo opposition to it cannot be racist. I don't care if the fanatical Muslim with a bomb strapped to his chest is white, black, brown, or blue - I care about the fact that he's looking to kill me based on his indoctrination into a hateful ideology.
We've defeated other ideologies - Fascism, Shintoism, and Communism - because they threatened us. Islam is no different.
'racist' doesnt mean what you personally take it to be. Anti-Semites, based on their persecution of Jews are called 'racist' the world over. Islamophobes & hate-mongers like Wilders are no different - apart from that Wilders already states in this interview that he does not want non-White majority cities in Netherlands - now that is racist enough.
You defeated other ideologies cuz Islam helped you defeat 'em. Today Islam is the fastest growing religion for a heck of a lot of good reasons
I'm not redefining anything. A dictionary meaning does not matter to those who refer to anti-Semites as racists.. And that is where academia agree that anti-Semites as well as Islamophobes like yourself & Wilders are racists as well as fascists.
You're the one in need of some rehab & re-education, apart from what you were taught in your white-washed highschool
Sorry farris, but you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
If I say that Islam is idiotic, I'm no more racist than if I say that Scientology is idiotic, or that Christianity is idiotic, or that Communism is idiotic. They are all IDEOLOGIES - they do not define a race, they define a system of thought. Racism refers specifically to bigotry based on RACE.
I know, difficult concept to grasp, but try to wrap your tiny brain around it, ok?
There is a difference between saying Islam is idiotic & a what Geert Wilders says abt Muslims & the Qur'an. You're naive mind fails to appreciate the complexity of these issues.
You fail to answer WHY, throughout the world, anti-Semites are called 'racists' - fact is, most Europeans equate Islam with Arabs these days & thats where the racist part comes in.
I'm content with my 'tiny' brain; atleast I dont have to worry abt growing one which u need to.. Hint: that sack b/w ur legs isn't one
"There is a difference ... You're naive mind fails to appreciate the complexity of these issues."
The word is "your", not "you're".
If you're so much more intelligent, feel free to educate me, oh enlightened one.
"fail to answer WHY, throughout the world, anti-Semites are called 'racists'"
They're not. You can call them anti-semites or bigots. If they happen to hate other races, THEN you can call them racist. But if they're just anti-semitic, then calling them racist is simply ignorant.
Haaha! So kids who really have nothing else to do other than sit & wank-off on youtube 24/7 usually end up resorting to these sort of cheap-shots such as picking off typos from other peoples' comments to feel good about themselves. Good for you. Hope that helps u sleep better tonight.
ur technical explanations unfortunately do not work in the wider practice of word usage. Perhaps you should start a website & start educating fellow Europeans first abt anti-Semitic not being synonymous for racist
Yes he is a fascist and also a 'populist performer' and now he's pulling off the act of a 'freedom martyr' cuz of Britain's banning his entry in that country. Wilders knows nothing except inciting hatred; he does not know the difference b/w the right to criticize and the absurdity of outright offensive insults + instigating hatred.
That being said I dislike gert wilders ideas and just thinks he plays a game of cards in order to fool people. Because it seems he has in the core just problem with foreginers.
This guy is an idiot -- what needs to be done is invest in education for the newly arrived immigrants and ivesting in creating opportunity. This person is a racist - simple. Now even racists have a right to advocate for their point of view.
why would anyone listen to this mother fucking ugly ass piece of shit? anyone that does has truly sold their soul to the devil. this guy spits hate not My religion of Islam. islam teaches peace and tolerance. the west is always at war with Islam. damn racist pigs. praise God for what he has created. u evil fucks make this world equal. but we shall see who makes it and who dont.
I'm not Dutch, but German. It doesn't matter, tho, it's the same problem in every European country. It is not our obligation to persuade immigrants to adopt our values. They have to decide BEFORE they immigrate whether or not they want to life in our society, by our standards. Muslims are not simply immigrants, they're colonizers who come here only for the purpose to change our societies. They do not want to assimilate, even if we would roll out the red carpet for them.
Nobody wants to be a minority in their own country. You think Jews want to be a minority in Israel? Muslims in Muslim countries, etc? I don't think so. And surely there don't have to be immigration officials from Ethiopia for the host group (The Dutch in this case) to be completely eradicated. Just have a look at the differential birth rates, it's just a matter of time until things will have advanced beyond repair. Now, you think that doesn't matter, who is the real racist here?
the best way to eliminate immigration is to do away with welfare and to work for less than what the immigrants are willing to work for!!if ur a doctor and earn U$90000 a month and an immigrant comes and asks only U$2000 a month.now tell me which business man in the world would sacrifice such an offer for another fellow of his own race???NON MT FRIEND,business knows know racism,it cares only about improving and progressing!!
i confound me when leftists stand up for a medevil way of life! if immigrants have shared values it makes no difference if they are black or brown to geert or to me
this is a matter ofp preserving a culture not a race! who the hell cares about race this is to preserve civilization!
Billy, I am with you. This is a culture that is medieval. It seeks to impose its Saudi values on us. They have allies in the leftist usefull idiot elite.
Yes, please do try & learn some factual information before discharging your ignorant farts here. Which 'medieval culture' do you speak of? Saudi? Islamic? The two are mutually exclusive.
Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy that does not tolerate dissent & seeks to impose its own interpretation of Islamic laws on to others. The majority of Muslims are non-Saudi, non-Arab who live their lives very much like you perhaps..
"Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy that does not tolerate dissent & seeks to impose its own interpretation of Islamic laws on to others. The majority of Muslims are non-Saudi, non-Arab who live their lives very much like you perhaps..
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And who the fuck do you think we're protesting against ??? Show me somebody in his right mind to oppose the non-saudi/arabs who live normally. It's the Islamofascist imperialists that are the problem, I don't see how that slipped your mind...
'Islamofascist imperialists'.. haaha, for a second I thought u were gonna add watever's left in ur vocab to that title as well.
I dont see Saudis or whoever going in to other countries to 'liberate' or 'Islamize' them. Even the most notorious 'terrorist', OBL has only one aim, that foreign forces leave Muslim lands of the MiddleEast..
Perhaps u'd like to revisit the definitions for 'fascist' & 'imperialist'...
Wonder where Mr Sackur's rampant bias against Geert Wilders comes from? His wife is an Iraqi exile, they also have three children. The more you know...
Not a good interview - the interviewer kept interrupting and his tone of voice was very aggressive. This is far below the BBC's usual standards, it's more fit for Fox News. Maybe the BBC needs to re-evaluate some of its leftist views and open its eyes to the growing threat of islam in western society.
Look people, there is going to be a war that will never end if we go with the approach "fight until one religion is sovereign." No one will ever succeed to bring long lasting peace that way. The only way to peace is to not have the government shove any religion up peoples ass. If a religion wouldn't survive without that practice, it can't be very obvious that what that religion is telling us is the truth. Why would the truth needs to be threatened and indoctrinated into people?
Perhaps you would like to re-educate yourself with the religion that you are taking hidden jibes at. Your ignorance outshines your intellectual sophistication that garb your intentions.
I don't think my concern lacks any credibility, whatever lip-service any religion do. I also don't speak of forbidding any religion or oppressing any religion, may I remind you.
It is clearly the case that theocracies are made to suffocate other religions. Just answer this question in your head. Are you pro theocracy, whatever religion it may be that was ruling over your country? Few wants a religion that isn't theirs to rule over them, because religion oppresses when in power.
You say that, but you don't give example of where I'm incoherent. The theme is indoctrination in general and the example is theocracy, which is indoctrination on larger scale. You may give example of my incoherency, try to interest me in another topic, or let this discussion go.
And there is also a fine-line between 'freedom of speech' & 'hate speech'. Poor old fascist Wilders is being put on trial for inciting hatred against Muslims.. a classic lesson in 'you reap what you sow'
Very well stated. Dutch society's majority is definitely not with Geert Wilders, he is a fringe politician who thrives on insecurity & Islamphobia. You might be interested in reading today's news as reported by BBC, Geert Wilders is being charged in the Dutch courts for inciting hatred against Muslims.
Haaha, more ignorant farts from the intellectually challenged hate-monger.
Qur'an has nothing that incites hatred. All the so-called 'violent' verses have self-defense contexts which haters like urself love to quote out-of-context since u have yet to perfect any other way of maligning Islam.. I pity ur pathetic circumstances
I have to disagree. I dislike Wilders policy. But to say there is no hate in the Quran is just lie it talks about murdering none-belivers, to stone people out of the sexual norm and etc. And after reading some of your comments I have to say that Islam did spread by violance so did Christianity as well. Islam forced people direct and indirect to Islam trough the entire Arabia and then to Egypt and then to Persia when in worst time non-muslims hade to flee the nation. So be true to history.
Like others you fail to point out any evidence from the Qur'an that would insanely call for the slaughter of 'non-believers'. Simply googling Islamophobic websites won't help your argument here. Islam/Qur'an are NOT pacifist. Controlled violence is permitted in self-defense - there is nothing wrong with that. If Islam truly forced ppl to convert, today Spain would be all Muslim but infact it was the Christians under Isabella & Ferdinand they killed, converted & expelled all non-Christians
Part 2: That I see that your not. And that takes away a large amount of respect from you in theological sense. Arabs in the name of Islam coloniazed the entire north-africa and in other places like Persian it is amazing that the Persian langauge is still alive. Trough opressice politcs and taxation and laws and force people where forced to become muslims and in many cases talking arabic instead of there mother tounge. I am my self am a half arab but I have looked into and accept how it is.
You talk & you talk. Without providing any historical evidence. Arabs never really ruled properly in North Africa or elsewhere. Everywhere Islam went, local rulers ruled their own kingdoms/empires. If It was all about Arabs using Islam to take over others; Islam wouldn't have multi-ethnic, multi-culturalism in the variety of its Empires such as Umayyad & Abbasid Caliphates [Arab], Sassanid Empire [Persian], Seljuks [Turks], Fatimids [Egyptians], Mameluks [non-Arabs].. Quite ur ignorance
Part 3: So history is history... no matter how much you hate it.. if it was not violance Islam would have not spread so extreme in such a short time scale.
Trough historical acounts we read that Muhammes murderd 600/700 jews in Medina bu behading them there is not you can say that will ever justify that the source is Ibn Ishaq. No I am not I have read about Persian history in this case and partly Egyptian trough opressive taxation and politics and in worst in the point of the sword where indirect and directly forced to become muslims. So please be fair to history .
More ignorance on your part. You cherry-pick information and copy-paste what supports your bigoted point-of-view. Muhammad did NOT murder the 600 Jews of Banu-Qurayza - they were put to death on the orders of the Arbitrator who was agreed to by both sides. The arbitrator infact, saved the women & children since the Jewish tribe leader had even wanted to kill all his tribe's women & children too. What was eventually done to that tribe was NORMAL custom in those days for betraying an alliance
I am not a bigot I am just critical of the history of old arabia in fact I am half arab and hugh part of my relatives are muslims. I have read both Christian and muslim history and I disgusted at bloody violance that both of them stands for note that I think Gert Wilders is an asshole. What I mean is that Muhammed orderd the killings of so many jews and it takes alot to justify that sort of action just because the jews and Muhammed could not agree read Ibn Ishaq.
Muhammad ordered the killings in line with the culture of the day. You are part of 21st century, not 6th or 7th century Arabia. Your analysis fails at the very moment when you start evaluating 7th century practices using 21st century paradigms. Ibn Ishaq is a much disputed figure whose claim to fame is exaggerated and his sources continue to be questionable
Part 2: From wikipedia on the issue. ''Muhammad is also criticised for the death of the men of Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627.[23][24] Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks.'' And you still try to justify this? Nothing can.
Obviously if you are a Wikipedia Scholar, I shall rest my case here because it is a waste of my time to argue with perhaps a teenager who gets his 'knowledge' - especially of controversial issues from WIkipedia, a source that can be edited by anyone, anytime.
Banu Qurayza was the only Jewish tribe to come to a bloody fate; there were two other Jewish tribes & none of them suffered the fate that Banu Qurayza did.. Go figure WHY.. & for a change, read a CREDIBLE BOOK.
Part 3: How ever Faris the main point is that Islam just like Christianity spread by force. Islam in Iran,Egypt,Middle east trough bot direct and indirect methods trough opressive tax and second class citizens for people who where not muslims just as Christianity spread by force in Scandinavia where I live. I have nothing against muslims or Christians but I am sceptical of the idealogies and that those not make me bigot at all. For an example your not bigot because you critizes a religion.
False gibberish. Islam was never spread by force. Even though in 'some' cases the 'territory/land' was taken by force; there was NO effort at all to convert the populations of those regions to Islam. History is littered with evidence from Spain to India. Non-Muslims thrived in Islamic Empires/kingdoms/Sultanates. You have nothing to go on for since u provide no evidence, yet continue to launch verbal farts based on jingoistic propaganda cherry-picked from Islamophobic website & hate literature.
I am not a him. No your wrong once again have you ever read about the Hindu holocaust? Have you ever read about who they invanded Egypt and people who where non-muslims where opressed. Have you ever read about Persia? Have you ever read about how Caliph Omar treated non-muslims in the middle east?
Your extremly ingorant and cannot handle facts in the issue classical muslim responce when you get handle the fact that Islam spread trough opression.
Again there was no 'Hindu holocaust'. The word Holocaust seems to have become a sort of fashion trend where even past battles b/w two armies are termed holocaust by the losing side. Since you've read so much and your wisdom exceeds everyones'; please come up with sources for your claims. Merely repeating your polemic rhetoric is futile and is not going to earn you browny points. I have YET to see FACTS from you - me ignoring them or non-handling them is not even question till u present some
No it was that Caliph Omar wanted to spread Islam and tried to take over India the first 16 times failed but Muhammad bin Qasim sucsseded thus began great opression and death to Hindues of course hindu nationalist may say it is bigger then it was but it was still a horrible crime and should not be justified for the case of spreading a religion.
Caliph Omar tried to take 'over' India? Haaha! WOW. The last time I checked, India did not even exist in the 7th-8th century; only a handful of warring, petty Hindu kingdoms.
Like I said, come up with some evidence & facts. Dont waste my time otherwise with your ignorance
Part 2 : I have read from serveral sources. In Old Arabia people never fought because of religion or very seldom because of it they fought for honor they even hade inter marriges but when Islam we start to see war because Muhammed once he gott political power wanted to make everyone muslim. Have you ever read Persian kings responce to Caliph Omar? /watch?v=daDZyBSlicQ&feature=channel_page
So say paying opressive tax deny equall rights is and opression and death is to thrive? Sorry it is not
Here again you waste ppls' time by saying '...read from several sources'.. WHAT sources? Care to point them out? Every kid on youtube can claim to have read 'some sources' & type up any worthless comment he/she wishes
Dont give me cheap youtube videos for evidence jst like your Wikipedia knowledge. Give me creible books, historical work, etc to make ur claims credible. Fact is, neither Mecca, nor Madina became entirely Muslim until a long time after Prophet's death. U're living in denial
Books, websites debates, films and people. I mean seriously the videoi I was linking is a historical document of the persian responce to Calph Omar where he talks that the muslims go around forcing people and spreading there faith by the sword. Yes it took time with opression people converted. Do not bullshit with me.
Once again; you point towards a video uploaded by a Persian nationalist who is busy in his 'private wars' against Arabs on youtube. What a waste of time. Come up with credible, unbiased, evidence from historians & academics. You live in a womb of denial, cherry-picking information out of context to compliment your pre-conceived notions of ill-will against Muslims as a result of your Islamophobia.. Arguing with an ignorant like you is a waste of time.
Well when I say India I mean those kingdoms that I see that you show no respect to. Who uploaded the video the letter is an historical fact. And the actions as well. I talk with Iranians very often and even yman of them who are muslims agree that Islam come to Persia trough violance and opression. I see there is no reason to debate futher with you cause I see that you care less about these cultures and care less about how muslims treated them.
Sure. Muslims converted Persians through violence and oppression - am sure that is why most of Persian culture is intact today. You fail to provide evidence for any of your claims as usual; jst keep repeating the same gibberish back n forth, then declare yourself victorious in the argument yourself & then try to cut n run. A typical example of an Islamophobe who has no rationality to speak of
we canhave different opinions on it, thats fine. but we should ALL be allowed to have our opinions heard so we can educate ourselves and openly discuss, freedom of speech for us all
"Israel is a lighthouse and the only democracy in a dark and tyrannical region," he declares. "It's part of us, of our European identity. Israel is fighting our war."
Puppet Wilders
GoyUnHuman 1 month ago
this individual got invited many times to give a speech in the zionist israthelli Knesset, where he got praised for his combat ! that says enough !
He doesnt fight for the right but for the riches !
GoyUnHuman 1 month ago
Why waste time on him... Just silence him in the media... I hate him 'representing' the people of the Netherlands... He stands alone, being naked & angry... Making himself look like a damn fool...
JermaineNLoO 2 months ago
F*ck Wilders... Deport his ass to Iran...Kick him out of the van... Let him rot... Or let them have there way with them...
JermaineNLoO 2 months ago
This Zionst racist was preaching the hateful message at a Florida synagogue. Find it on youtube.
786swe 4 months ago
The problem of mass Muslim immigration into Europe would not exist if the west did not always intervene into Muslim majority countries and undermine them. Funding terror groups in Turkey, providing food aid to Africa as a means of persuasion and a general orientalism on all Muslim people especially on Arabs sets the scene up for xenophobic fraks such as Wilder to come in and take power which is just what Hitler did with in regards to Jewish people. Fair treatment is the only way for forward.
murattk22 6 months ago
FUCK ZIONIST WILDERS!!! Only 6 % of dutch population is muslim....Wilders is the new hitler.... dutch pay for his safeness,including muslims.. while putting dutch in danger..because of hatespeak..shut up wilders with your blonded hair and your blue eue lenced to cover up your indonesian roots....YOU HAD MANY AFFAIRS DURING YOUR MARRIAGE!!!!!
eljaable 8 months ago
FUCK ZIONIST WILDERS!!!
eljaable 8 months ago
He says to Stephen " How dare you call me racist" right after he said that people in Saudi Arabia "can't even spell democracy" He just labeled a whole nation as illiterate! I urge everyone to pick up the nearest dictionary they can find and look up the word JOKE. Bet your last dime there will be a picture of that clown right beside it.
zetticat 9 months ago
After abusing ISlam, He wants Muslim to be Tollerent? Makes no sense, Same goes for Israel, they kill palestinian Muslims and Christains and when Palestinian fight back they are called INTOLERRENT people.
mom019 9 months ago
Wilders in nothing more than a zionist,.
Look @ the people that fund his party
timberstark 10 months ago
@drdavethedude: Yet more errant rants of ignorance. Most of the issues u cite have nothing to do with Islam or Shariah.. As for homophobia, I dont see Christianity or any other religion embracing it so ur attempt to include that in ur accusations exposes ur sheer anti-Islam bias & Islam-bashing streak. As for 'free-speech', most of those Muslim-majority countries that have dictators today are supported by the great 'democratic' West - be it Europe or Uncle Sam.. Spare us ur diatribes!
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 Gays are hanged in Iran and Saudi Arabia, not Vatican City. Equating Muslim EXECUTION with "Christianity...(not) embracing" is a sick joke. Islamic "Honor killings" occur weekly throughout the Muslim world, and sporadically in USA, EU and Canada. Danish cartoons and artsy Dutch movies result in riots and cold blooded murders to stifle free speech...what did "dictators" have to do with riots in Europe?? Stop embarrassing yourself. Regards
drdavethedude 11 months ago 13
@drdavethedude: Vatican City? is that even a country other than a piece of land given to the Pope to shut him up n give him a backseat to civilization? Comparing Saudi n Iran with Vatican is like comparing apples n oranges! Honor killings? How about the Austrian man who repeatedly raped his daughter for 24yrs n kept her in a cellar all her life with the kids he fathered? How about the German woman that killed her children n froze them in her freezer? Quit ranting like a lunatic n educate urself
faris710 11 months ago
@drdavethedude: How about we figure out who invented car-bombings? A Belgian & then perfected by an Italian.. Who perfected suicide bombings? Tamil Tigers.. Who condemned a figure like Nelson Mandela as a 'terrorist'... Answer to all these questions is the same: NOT MUSLIMS. So grow up, get out of your basement, take in some fresh air, walk to your nearest library & try to feed some knowledge to the little sack you have for a brain hanging between your legs. Good day..
faris710 11 months ago
"A good neighbor is not the same as a member of the family"...wise words from a wise man. The Liberal views on immigration that are widespread in Europe are fine if the immigrants themselves were to have similar liberal views. Unfortunately they often don't. To believe otherwise is to delude yourself.
drdavethedude 1 year ago 25
@drdavethedude: And we thought that European 'democracy' was 'pluralist', giving equal opportunity to all irrespective of race, creed, religious believes, political views... I guess the charade could only last sooo long..
faris710 11 months ago
@faris710 "equal opportunity to all irrespective of race, creed..." Sounds good to me!! The problem is pluralist democracies are unfortunately vulnerable. Is Sharia more "pluralist" for you?? When a rapidly growing minority DEMANDS not just "equality", but in fact SUPERIORITY...submit or else! Get it?
Regards.
drdavethedude 11 months ago 14
@drdavethedude: I have yet to see Muslims demanding 'superiority' in any European country.. Instead of rhetorical polemic, please provide facts, data, sources, etc.. Empty rants based on your perceived threat of what 'might' the Muslims want, etc are pointless and wasteful of my time to respond to. Nothing wrong with Sharia.. unless of course you follow Islamophobic websites' diatribes against anything Islamic instead of doing your own research into matters you do not comprehend..
faris710 11 months ago
@drdavethedude The Muslim population in America integrates fine into American society and economically they fair better than the average for immigrant populations. Its funny that we enlightened Europeans have criticized the US many times as being rascist, now that we in Europe have a diversifying population of different nationalities, cultures, and religions we're seeing a much more fascist and extreme reaction. Islamic extremism is dangerous but not as dangerous as Wilder's.
Peace.
shallbeagain 8 months ago
@drdavethedude oh man you dont seam to get it ! this guy is never about any thing he says he is , he doesn't care about Europe, he wants to see a full white society with one or three religions ,and the last time a crazy guy wanted the exact same thing "hetler" all hell broke loose when he got it , so giving this nut job any attention is like giving it to a Nazi
aduderules 7 months ago
@drdavethedude you're right, and having lived in Europe for 11 years (I'm from North America), I can attest to the fact that many in fact don't. The problem, however, is stereotyping: I knew Sikh friends, for example, who didn't embrace all Western values, whilst I had known two Turkish friends who were secular Muslims. The solution is to be vigilant via intelligence ops to ensure security- not by whipping up hate to drive every1 out. Plus Wilders is an Israeli agent, so his motives rnt v. pure.
elsblaugranas 7 months ago
@elsblaugranas Yup. Wilders is an Israeli agent. Shame on him not applying the values of Judaism. Yes,. he was preaching at a FL synagogue. I saw that video on youtube.
786swe 4 months ago
geert wilders is the next hitler, he is following hitlers rise to power step for step. him and his freedom party are pure nazism 100%. its actually offensive to fascism to call him a fascist hes much worse. we are witnessing the rise of ethnocentric racist nazism in europe again. he may seem nice and civil now but as he gains more and more power we will see the monster come out. if america has to go to war to save europe from racial authoritarianism again, this time we are not giving it back.
thewaterwillcome 1 year ago
geert wilders is so ignorant its sick....
sphinxak 1 year ago 2
His own man called him a RACIST!!! Haha this guys a clown.
If Turkey enters EU, Holland should leave the EU, this guy is a complete joke, its a joke he actually has a position of power.
Lets see how much balls he has and question the Holocaust, we'll see how quick the Zionists get rid of his racist ass.
apical5view 1 year ago 2
I am not racist and I believe that Europe and the Netherlands are not racist when they claim they want to preserve their identity. It is not a matter of superiority or inferiority. I love the world in all of its expressions but if a person wants to move to Europe, he/she should accept our core values in my opinion.
IlGiglioNero 1 year ago 2
believe it or not, it's possible to be a conservative and NOT be a chauvinistic, racist, anti-intellectual, fear-mongering fool. a pity that wilders does not believe this.
the level of cognitive dissonance is alarming. holland should leave the EU if turkiye is admitted...but he wants to have good relations with the turks. (????)
this man is a classic politician, no more, no less. anyone expecting a messiah deserves to be let down.
salro99 1 year ago 2
@RightConservativeNL Almost all of your ancestors wealth is stolen from other countries through colonisation.
JudgeD007 1 year ago
@RightConservativeNL The "white man" is the reason that there are so many immigrants in Europe, they (/we..im white, but not one of "them) have been killing innocent people and ruiend their contries and homes and made them have to fleed from their contry, at least the pople responsible for this can allow the surviviors to come live in peace in their "respective countires".. and "relative" peace. I know as many "white" people that "cheat" the system as i do immigrants, you are ignorant buddy!
sandhedomsundhed 1 year ago
europe hahah yeh right
invading and killing, stealing, raping
hmmm yeh europe did build the wealth on smething didnt they
ronny22 1 year ago
Ten dziennikarz ma jebla.
NumerKonta 1 year ago
@RightConservativeNL Your ancestors were responsible for the thousands of deaths and invented the concept of Apartheid in south Africa. If you didn't want to mix and live with other cultures, maybe your ancestors shouldn't have invaded, looted and divided other countries.
White superiority is rubbish.
TheMuziekmann 1 year ago
He is so stupid, contradicting himself, by saying that Holland should leave the European Union if Turkey is accepted in it, and he then says he wants to have good relations with Turkey!! He is a jerk accusing the highly intelligent guy sitting in front of him by calling him ignorant!! He is simply stupid fascist, small one though, I wouldn't put him on the same level with Hitler, even though he reminds me of Hitle's Judeophobia.
falkhalili 1 year ago 4
holy crap....this guy is Hitler. I honestly don't get him. He says he is the defender of free speech (sound of like what Hitler said) but yet he wants to BAN the Qur'an!!! (why doesn't he read it from front to back and get to know some converts to Islam.....maybe Muhammad Ali, Cat Stevens, or what about the female reporter who was captured from the Taliban and then later released and converted to Islam)......Ignorance hatred and just plain stupidity will also be the leading cause of death.
AsianCrackhead91 1 year ago 4
are you all crazy, europe is the ''homecontinent'' of the white people. its OUR continent, it are OUR countries.
so of course its wrong when a european city has a non-white majority.
and that cunt of the BBC saying; ''europe needs a demographic boost?'' THAT is racism, the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous european people.
RightConservativeNL 1 year ago
Thanks for your racist filth.. Your existence affirms that racism is alive & kicking across Europe.
faris710 1 year ago
WOW thats incredible!!
@faris710 you are disgusting. just because a nation wants preservation and nationality, you claim its racist filth. your a joke. Caucasians are less than 20% of the worlds population but since they want to dominate the space that they live in and have built upon, its racist? what a fucking joke. you are the racist one and extremely ignorant for thinking europe needs to be saturated with other cultures. you are a blinded, feeble minded, destructive parasite.
michaelAKAnatas 1 year ago 2
exactly, 20% of the world's population feels some ill-placed sense of entitlement & want to control the other 80% just cuz of the color of their skin.. & some recent achievements.. But ofcourse, the ignorant runt you are, they forgot to teach you that people such as Avicenna and Averoes were not Caucasians.. Parasite is one who feeds off of others to help itself.. that is more true of how the great Europeans of today came to be via colonialism & imperialism, than any other race.
faris710 1 year ago 2
@faris710 You hit it right on the head. They are the parasites themselves. They forget how they built their nations through invasions, and colonialism and imperialism. They forget how they took the natural and human resources of NON WHITE nations and took it back to Europe .
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@RightConservativeNL "Ethnic cleansing"?? Do you even know what that word means?? That is what your ancestors did again in South Africa and named of all people Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.
The dutch invaded the nederland antilles, curasao, etc. Brits invaded palestine, india, pakistan, etc. and lets not forget the french, all leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths but somehow, moving to europe is labelled "ethnically cleansing". Get a God damn education you fool.
TheMuziekmann 1 year ago 2
@RightConservativeNL hahaha my man look at your nick right conservative NL :) you are a lost case and a big disgrace for all europeans.. plus you bitches who come from colonizing countries should understand that if you go and invade other ppls countries you cant really get upset when they follow you back home!!
greetings from the beautiful and free Ireland!!
CMLPaddY 1 year ago
he is racist
aahmed7861 1 year ago 4
Racist filth!
S30iavash 2 years ago 3
I find it disgraceful that the reporter should call him racist, that's clearly not what it is, hes just expressing his concern for his country, of people exploiting democracy ( of which every European country isnt anymore ) Islam has a lot of problems, constant wars and fighting, suicide bombings, bombing of children. I find it highly unlikely that any body wouldn't agree with this guy if one of these extremists were to come and blow up the school in which your children reside.
Demurednb 2 years ago
and I find it distasteful that you accuse the reporter of calling WIlders racist out of context.. The reporter only calls Wilders racist after Wilders says that he is not in favor of non-white majority in any Dutch city in terms of demographics.. Nothing to do with Islam.. Only to do with color of skin.. try to hear that part again if you failed to understand the first time, as is demonstrated by ur ill-informed comment
faris710 2 years ago
@faris710
He simply points out that these people aren't Dutch. If you don't speak the language, don't understand the history and culture, if your family isn't from there, if you don't share the same values and even have a wildly different religion, than you aren't Dutch... a passport does not make you Dutch. Calling someone a "racist" generally indicates you believe they are a supremacist of some sort, which is inaccurate as Wilders has in no way indicated racism, he's just pointing out facts.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
Spreading lies won't do you any good.. The reporter clearly asks Geert Wilders if Wilders would still oppose non-white majorities in major Dutch cities, EVEN IF those people accepted Dutch values & integrated properly.. Wilders says 'NO'.. if you have a unique definition of what constitutes a racist in your fantasy world... do enlighten us..
faris710 2 years ago
WeAxe-You as a Hitler admirer should be the last to support Hitler,because Wilders is very pro Israel.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Lol,I don't hate myself,neither do I hate others. I'm just being realistic. Wilders will not solve problems.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Check the polls.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
CCL- Let me correct myself. Wilders' popularity dropped even more.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Maybe in your dreams, because in reality his support is still growing.
I wouldn't be surprised if his party became the number one in the near future. Maybe even before the next elections in 2012.
I wouldn't even be surprised if that will spark major civil unrest, because the diversion between the people in the Netherlands is at an all time high right now.
Very scary shit if ask me.
CCLJunky 2 years ago
Then you should watch the polls. He dropped 27 seats to 24.
Als er rellen uitbreken dan mag je trots zijn. Dan hebben jij en al die andere Wilders kliek 't alleen maar erger gemaakt.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Hoezo "ik en die andere Wilders kliek"?
Waarom denk je dat ik een Wilders aanhanger ben? Omdat ik hem geen fascist noem?
Ik ben het op een aantal punten met hem eens, maar lang niet op alle. Daarnaast vertrouw ik zijn banden met de VS en Israël voor geen meter.
Lang niet iedereen die hem gelijk geeft op zijn standpunt tegen de Islamisering is een NAZI, alhoewel het linkse schaapjesvolk dat maar al te graag roept.
We worden gewoon tegen elkaar uitgespeeld.
CCLJunky 2 years ago
Sorry dan heb ik je verkeerd begrepen.
Mijn excuses.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Geen probleem. Kan gebeuren ;)
CCLJunky 2 years ago
CCL- In fact,since my last comment his popularity dropped even more.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago
Islam is not a race; to say that Wilders is racist is absurd. He is a strong admirer of Israel. Islam stands for values that the West does not share, intolerance towards other religions, ultra-conservative values with regards to women. Wilder is standing up for Western values of freedom and democracy, and he is very brave considering that other Dutch men such as Theo Van Gogh have paid the ultimate price for exercising their right to free speech.
Alex989Y 2 years ago
Western values also consist of colonialism, imperialism, the Holocaust, etc.. Muslims & Islam in general do not need lecture on tolerance, women, etc from Europeans.. Islam was already light years ahead while Europe was plunged in the Dark Ages.. Wilders is a fascist and fascist-apologists like yourself come dime-a-dozen on youtube with nothing but your blissful ignorance to show for.
faris710 2 years ago
Why is he a fascist? Do you even know what a fascist is? Or are you just using a buzzword?
If you like Islam, fine, then go live in an Islamic country. But don't pretend to have the right to invade another culture. Like Wilders said, it's common sense.
Also, it's near impossible in all Islamic countries, to get a Catholic or Jewish or whatever religious movement going. So why should other countries be so generous?
But the REAL sad things is, we are all being played out against eachothers.
CCLJunky 2 years ago
*yawn* Same ignorant bile that is available on youtube dime-a-dozen.. Please tell us what Islam has done to 'invade' Dutch culture.. provide facts & figures, else don't waste people's time with rhetorical polemic.. Muslims constitute a mere 5% of Dutch population with no political or commercial clout to influence any status-quo
Except Saudi Arabia, almost all Muslim countries have hundreds of Synagogues and Churches.. Visit an Islamic country to re-educate yourself on some very basic facts
faris710 2 years ago
Faris-Good videos.
Good news:according to the latest polls;Wilders' strongest opponent is gaining popularity.
FootSomeGuy 2 years ago 2
he mentioned racism when he was talking about the non-white population in amsterdam and rotterdam.
darkillity 2 years ago
@ subutubiata: Women cannot divorced. They don't have the right. They have to get the right in court. whereas the men only has to say 3 times the same text. Also the childeren after divorce can stay with the mother until 9 girl and 13 boy. Then a mother will not see her childeren anymore. This is mean.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago
Please provide credible evidence to back up your claims. Else do not waste other users' time.
faris710 2 years ago
"whereas the men only has to say 3 times"
Were have you read this?
1MoreMuslim 2 years ago
Fucking coward Wilders is runaway from Germany.
ExChristian88 2 years ago
Pure racism
pondman27 2 years ago
Deport the sayanim to israel
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ThunderDog97 2 years ago 3
Posting cartoons of Prophet Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi wassalam is freedom of expression in "Di-mocracy". Yes he said "Di-mocracy" and was making fun of saudi Arabia not knowing how to spell Democracy. First learn how to pronounce democracy. Anyways, its a crime in Germany to even question the holocaust, why isnt it a freedom of expression when it comes to the holocaust huh, where did the freedom of expression disappear to?
karimkong 2 years ago 4
Not to mention that French rapper, OrelSan had his concerts canceled by French govt and copies of his hit album withdrawn from music stores because feminist groups complained his lyrics were 'offensive' and 'derogatory' towards women..
news(dot)bbc(dot)co(dot)uk/2/hi/europe/8171389(dot)stm
And not to mention that in Spain you can be jailed for criticizing the Royal Family.. many more examples abound in great 'democratic' Europe!
faris710 2 years ago
wait a minute stephen suckher states that because wilders qualms are relatively with islamists, he is thus a racists? Since when was islam a race?
pritz29 2 years ago
Wrong. Stephen Sackur asks Wilders if Wilders would accept non-white majority Dutch cities [could be Muslims, Jewish or Christian - question is about RACE] and Geert Wilders says NO. Hence he calls Wilders a racist... Watch the entire interview before passing judgments
faris710 2 years ago
Woohooo, and he says Noble Quran is a racist book ha ? If he wanna see a racist he needs to look in the mirror! such a hypocrite ! PITY :)
TheEdaX 2 years ago 3
Big up Freedom of Speech, Die Censorship!!!!!!! Geert is just heavy pissed off cos his mate Theo Van gogh (related to vincent) was killed by a muslim extremist. The film made by Theo Van Gogh(Peace be upon him) was a well made, emotional short film based on the experience of an Islamic girl, It is called 'Submission part one' and is easy to find on youtube. Anyway, the film was good and made a fair point about the submission of women in Islam. T.V.G. died for making art at the hands of an idiot.
noklarok 2 years ago
and am sure having women portrayed as mere sexual toys for men is quite 'liberating'...
faris710 2 years ago
Being protrayed as mere sexual toys is not a forced pattern on women in the western world. Don't generalize.
If they want to they can be, if they don't then not, they can go on to be lawyers, doctors, even reach highest ranking office (Angela Merkel). And this is liberating.
Before you think I generalize, I don't, I don't believe all Muslims are fanatics, or terrorists, but a large noticeable number of terrorists and religious fanatics account for Muslims.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
My comment was measured in tone in accordance with user 'noklarok's comment. When anthropologists sit down to identify trends; they analyze mainstream tendencies in societies. I've spent years living in Canada which today has 62% divorce rate; let alone Europe.
Nothing in my comment suggests that I am generalizing either; there are many decent Westerners around but statistics speak for themselves.
faris710 2 years ago
faris, Holland divorce rate is about 32%. Better than US (50%), didnt know Canada had such a high rate.
summersonset 2 years ago
yes I was quite shocked myself to find that out
faris710 2 years ago
The statistics may merely indicate that women have the right to leave dysfunctional or abusive relationships, without suffering discrimanatory judicial treatment. Saudi Arabia has a very low divorce rate, but women do not have full legal or human status.
Subutubiata 2 years ago
good point.. that would definitely be a crucial factor to take in to account.
faris710 2 years ago
Oh, and I urge you to look at the Hard Talk interview with Anjem Choudary, see how the anchor shreds Choudary's Islamic fascist ideology & arguments to bits while forcing him to sidetrack answers to 'real' questions.
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
Exactly, Geert Wilders is the Anjem Choudary of White Europe.
faris710 2 years ago
Lol. Those guys below are really sad. They keep saying it like a fact, without proof to back themselves up.
Good job brother. Good job.
telur2606 2 years ago
I don't get how freedom of speech works. From what I see from the world now, Salman Rushdie writes a book which calls Margaret Thatcher a bitch or somethin like that, and he wins an award. Mickey Rourke calls her policies the same thing and he's banned from the UK.
In another interview, the making fun of Jews is considered insulting and anti-Semitic, but the making fun of Muslims is okay and all Muslims who protest are extremists???
I really do not get it.
telur2606 2 years ago
Its all about being politically correct, 'going with the flow' as they say. Europeans who preach 'freedom of expression' & 'freedom of speech' when it comes to Danish Cartoon controversy or Geert Wilders or Ayan Hirsi Ali - telling Muslims to appreciate European way of life - are the same Europeans who would put people in jail just for questioning the extent of the Holocaust, let alone deny it & put people in jail for criticizing certain Royal Families or digging up Europe's past dirty laundry.
faris710 2 years ago
The man is speaking perfect sense..people who call him racist/ fascist just for expressing his opinion are completely ignorant, he is not inciting hatred but merely stating facts that everyone else is too afraid to speak of.. I share his exact views and I am not racist, I'm glad someone has finally had the courage to discuss this (lets just hope the muslim extremists dont put a price on his head!)
scoobydoov5 3 years ago
Every racists says 'Im not a racist'.. its ok, we understand ur inherent insecurities vis-a-vis non-whites and non-Christians..
try learning the difference b/w expressing ur opinion & actually demonizing someone else without presenting any hardcore evidence.. if u call Wilder's pathetic video-clip called 'fitna' as evidence; you need to stop taking those depression pills & come up wid some serious & intellectual arguments!
faris710 3 years ago
The word "racist" is both singular and plural - you don't need to add an "s" to it.
As for your "point" - Islam is not a race, ergo opposition to it cannot be racist. I don't care if the fanatical Muslim with a bomb strapped to his chest is white, black, brown, or blue - I care about the fact that he's looking to kill me based on his indoctrination into a hateful ideology.
We've defeated other ideologies - Fascism, Shintoism, and Communism - because they threatened us. Islam is no different.
c6gunner 3 years ago
'racist' doesnt mean what you personally take it to be. Anti-Semites, based on their persecution of Jews are called 'racist' the world over. Islamophobes & hate-mongers like Wilders are no different - apart from that Wilders already states in this interview that he does not want non-White majority cities in Netherlands - now that is racist enough.
You defeated other ideologies cuz Islam helped you defeat 'em. Today Islam is the fastest growing religion for a heck of a lot of good reasons
faris710 3 years ago
"'racist' doesnt mean what you personally take it to be"
Very true - which is why you don't get to redefine it. Go look it up in a dictionary.
"You defeated other ideologies cuz Islam helped you defeat 'em."
LOL
Wow, you're even more of a fucking moron than I thought. Uneducated, AND religiously indoctrinated.
Good luck with that.
c6gunner 3 years ago
I'm not redefining anything. A dictionary meaning does not matter to those who refer to anti-Semites as racists.. And that is where academia agree that anti-Semites as well as Islamophobes like yourself & Wilders are racists as well as fascists.
You're the one in need of some rehab & re-education, apart from what you were taught in your white-washed highschool
faris710 3 years ago
Sorry farris, but you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
If I say that Islam is idiotic, I'm no more racist than if I say that Scientology is idiotic, or that Christianity is idiotic, or that Communism is idiotic. They are all IDEOLOGIES - they do not define a race, they define a system of thought. Racism refers specifically to bigotry based on RACE.
I know, difficult concept to grasp, but try to wrap your tiny brain around it, ok?
c6gunner 3 years ago
There is a difference between saying Islam is idiotic & a what Geert Wilders says abt Muslims & the Qur'an. You're naive mind fails to appreciate the complexity of these issues.
You fail to answer WHY, throughout the world, anti-Semites are called 'racists' - fact is, most Europeans equate Islam with Arabs these days & thats where the racist part comes in.
I'm content with my 'tiny' brain; atleast I dont have to worry abt growing one which u need to.. Hint: that sack b/w ur legs isn't one
faris710 3 years ago
"There is a difference ... You're naive mind fails to appreciate the complexity of these issues."
The word is "your", not "you're".
If you're so much more intelligent, feel free to educate me, oh enlightened one.
"fail to answer WHY, throughout the world, anti-Semites are called 'racists'"
They're not. You can call them anti-semites or bigots. If they happen to hate other races, THEN you can call them racist. But if they're just anti-semitic, then calling them racist is simply ignorant.
c6gunner 3 years ago
Haaha! So kids who really have nothing else to do other than sit & wank-off on youtube 24/7 usually end up resorting to these sort of cheap-shots such as picking off typos from other peoples' comments to feel good about themselves. Good for you. Hope that helps u sleep better tonight.
ur technical explanations unfortunately do not work in the wider practice of word usage. Perhaps you should start a website & start educating fellow Europeans first abt anti-Semitic not being synonymous for racist
faris710 3 years ago
Wilders is almost certainly a closet fascist, but I think it's deeply regrettable that the House of Lords has banned him from entering the UK.
JohnAdamCulligan 3 years ago 3
Thanks for your comment.
Yes he is a fascist and also a 'populist performer' and now he's pulling off the act of a 'freedom martyr' cuz of Britain's banning his entry in that country. Wilders knows nothing except inciting hatred; he does not know the difference b/w the right to criticize and the absurdity of outright offensive insults + instigating hatred.
Here's an great read from The Guardian [UK]
guardian(dot)co(dot)uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/11/race-netherlands
faris710 3 years ago
That being said I dislike gert wilders ideas and just thinks he plays a game of cards in order to fool people. Because it seems he has in the core just problem with foreginers.
All love
Eopyk 3 years ago 5
This guy is an idiot -- what needs to be done is invest in education for the newly arrived immigrants and ivesting in creating opportunity. This person is a racist - simple. Now even racists have a right to advocate for their point of view.
rafehh 3 years ago
why would anyone listen to this mother fucking ugly ass piece of shit? anyone that does has truly sold their soul to the devil. this guy spits hate not My religion of Islam. islam teaches peace and tolerance. the west is always at war with Islam. damn racist pigs. praise God for what he has created. u evil fucks make this world equal. but we shall see who makes it and who dont.
strikerx774 3 years ago 3
I'm not Dutch, but German. It doesn't matter, tho, it's the same problem in every European country. It is not our obligation to persuade immigrants to adopt our values. They have to decide BEFORE they immigrate whether or not they want to life in our society, by our standards. Muslims are not simply immigrants, they're colonizers who come here only for the purpose to change our societies. They do not want to assimilate, even if we would roll out the red carpet for them.
Th4tsNotM1lk 3 years ago
Nobody wants to be a minority in their own country. You think Jews want to be a minority in Israel? Muslims in Muslim countries, etc? I don't think so. And surely there don't have to be immigration officials from Ethiopia for the host group (The Dutch in this case) to be completely eradicated. Just have a look at the differential birth rates, it's just a matter of time until things will have advanced beyond repair. Now, you think that doesn't matter, who is the real racist here?
Th4tsNotM1lk 3 years ago
the best way to eliminate immigration is to do away with welfare and to work for less than what the immigrants are willing to work for!!if ur a doctor and earn U$90000 a month and an immigrant comes and asks only U$2000 a month.now tell me which business man in the world would sacrifice such an offer for another fellow of his own race???NON MT FRIEND,business knows know racism,it cares only about improving and progressing!!
sshapewa 3 years ago
Wilders did very well in the interview.
The interviewer is a typical highbrow politically correct stooge. He has the money to keep himself away from the sharia loving feudalists.
newtonbrook 3 years ago
i confound me when leftists stand up for a medevil way of life! if immigrants have shared values it makes no difference if they are black or brown to geert or to me
this is a matter ofp preserving a culture not a race! who the hell cares about race this is to preserve civilization!
billyysands 3 years ago
Billy, I am with you. This is a culture that is medieval. It seeks to impose its Saudi values on us. They have allies in the leftist usefull idiot elite.
newtonbrook 3 years ago
i used to be on the left
but so many of them are totaly incapable of rational thought they are as bad or even worse than the extreme right
billyysands 3 years ago
Yes, please do try & learn some factual information before discharging your ignorant farts here. Which 'medieval culture' do you speak of? Saudi? Islamic? The two are mutually exclusive.
Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy that does not tolerate dissent & seeks to impose its own interpretation of Islamic laws on to others. The majority of Muslims are non-Saudi, non-Arab who live their lives very much like you perhaps..
Quit venting your fascist bile
faris710 3 years ago
"Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian monarchy that does not tolerate dissent & seeks to impose its own interpretation of Islamic laws on to others. The majority of Muslims are non-Saudi, non-Arab who live their lives very much like you perhaps..
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And who the fuck do you think we're protesting against ??? Show me somebody in his right mind to oppose the non-saudi/arabs who live normally. It's the Islamofascist imperialists that are the problem, I don't see how that slipped your mind...
RationalFuture 3 years ago
'Islamofascist imperialists'.. haaha, for a second I thought u were gonna add watever's left in ur vocab to that title as well.
I dont see Saudis or whoever going in to other countries to 'liberate' or 'Islamize' them. Even the most notorious 'terrorist', OBL has only one aim, that foreign forces leave Muslim lands of the MiddleEast..
Perhaps u'd like to revisit the definitions for 'fascist' & 'imperialist'...
faris710 3 years ago
Wonder where Mr Sackur's rampant bias against Geert Wilders comes from? His wife is an Iraqi exile, they also have three children. The more you know...
Th4tsNotM1lk 3 years ago
wow, he doesn't want that his people are becoming a minority in their own country, what a vile racist he is, ha?
People like you are the ones who are pushing genocidal, racist ideas, not Geert Wilders.
Th4tsNotM1lk 3 years ago
Does Islam promote democracy?
samten54 3 years ago
Not a good interview - the interviewer kept interrupting and his tone of voice was very aggressive. This is far below the BBC's usual standards, it's more fit for Fox News. Maybe the BBC needs to re-evaluate some of its leftist views and open its eyes to the growing threat of islam in western society.
Adamus76 3 years ago
the interviewer was pretty obnoxious, he kept interrupting Wilder and talking over him. Who is this guy, the British Bill O'rielly?
cappastrano 3 years ago
Believing and acting in tolerance and democracy until the point to loose them is not fairness,is STUPIDITY.
dark1secret 3 years ago
what an asshole this wilders is
thekingofkings1978 3 years ago
Look people, there is going to be a war that will never end if we go with the approach "fight until one religion is sovereign." No one will ever succeed to bring long lasting peace that way. The only way to peace is to not have the government shove any religion up peoples ass. If a religion wouldn't survive without that practice, it can't be very obvious that what that religion is telling us is the truth. Why would the truth needs to be threatened and indoctrinated into people?
Censeo 3 years ago
Perhaps you would like to re-educate yourself with the religion that you are taking hidden jibes at. Your ignorance outshines your intellectual sophistication that garb your intentions.
faris710 3 years ago
I don't think my concern lacks any credibility, whatever lip-service any religion do. I also don't speak of forbidding any religion or oppressing any religion, may I remind you.
It is clearly the case that theocracies are made to suffocate other religions. Just answer this question in your head. Are you pro theocracy, whatever religion it may be that was ruling over your country? Few wants a religion that isn't theirs to rule over them, because religion oppresses when in power.
Censeo 3 years ago
I'm not pro-theocracy at all. Your comment is all over the place. NO coherence in chain of thought.
faris710 3 years ago
You say that, but you don't give example of where I'm incoherent. The theme is indoctrination in general and the example is theocracy, which is indoctrination on larger scale. You may give example of my incoherency, try to interest me in another topic, or let this discussion go.
Censeo 3 years ago
I really have no interest in furthering this pointless topic.
faris710 3 years ago
Freedom of speech is precious. You have your words, let Geert has his.
dreamy2 3 years ago
And there is also a fine-line between 'freedom of speech' & 'hate speech'. Poor old fascist Wilders is being put on trial for inciting hatred against Muslims.. a classic lesson in 'you reap what you sow'
faris710 3 years ago
Very well stated. Dutch society's majority is definitely not with Geert Wilders, he is a fringe politician who thrives on insecurity & Islamphobia. You might be interested in reading today's news as reported by BBC, Geert Wilders is being charged in the Dutch courts for inciting hatred against Muslims.
news(dot)bbc(dot)co(dot)uk/2/hi/europe/7842344(dot)stm
faris710 3 years ago
And there are already 18000 people supporting him by an online petition.
The only opposition to him should be the nationalistic and religious tint as the "dominant culture" thing.
RationalFuture 3 years ago
18000 ppl? I thought there'd be more fascists in the Netherlands.. That is a laughable figure
faris710 3 years ago
they are 27 500 now, and they are from all over the world, not just the Netherlands.
If Wilders is convicted, that means the somebody will sue the Qu'ran for inciting hatred and violence against non-Muslims.
RationalFuture 3 years ago
Haaha, more ignorant farts from the intellectually challenged hate-monger.
Qur'an has nothing that incites hatred. All the so-called 'violent' verses have self-defense contexts which haters like urself love to quote out-of-context since u have yet to perfect any other way of maligning Islam.. I pity ur pathetic circumstances
faris710 3 years ago
"Qur'an has nothing that incites hatred"
Denial is a terrible crime.
RationalFuture 3 years ago
And one-liner hollow sarcasms instead of providing evidence for ur claims is a much bigger one.
faris710 3 years ago
I have to disagree. I dislike Wilders policy. But to say there is no hate in the Quran is just lie it talks about murdering none-belivers, to stone people out of the sexual norm and etc. And after reading some of your comments I have to say that Islam did spread by violance so did Christianity as well. Islam forced people direct and indirect to Islam trough the entire Arabia and then to Egypt and then to Persia when in worst time non-muslims hade to flee the nation. So be true to history.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Like others you fail to point out any evidence from the Qur'an that would insanely call for the slaughter of 'non-believers'. Simply googling Islamophobic websites won't help your argument here. Islam/Qur'an are NOT pacifist. Controlled violence is permitted in self-defense - there is nothing wrong with that. If Islam truly forced ppl to convert, today Spain would be all Muslim but infact it was the Christians under Isabella & Ferdinand they killed, converted & expelled all non-Christians
faris710 3 years ago
Part 2: That I see that your not. And that takes away a large amount of respect from you in theological sense. Arabs in the name of Islam coloniazed the entire north-africa and in other places like Persian it is amazing that the Persian langauge is still alive. Trough opressice politcs and taxation and laws and force people where forced to become muslims and in many cases talking arabic instead of there mother tounge. I am my self am a half arab but I have looked into and accept how it is.
Eopyk 3 years ago
looked into history*
Eopyk 3 years ago
You talk & you talk. Without providing any historical evidence. Arabs never really ruled properly in North Africa or elsewhere. Everywhere Islam went, local rulers ruled their own kingdoms/empires. If It was all about Arabs using Islam to take over others; Islam wouldn't have multi-ethnic, multi-culturalism in the variety of its Empires such as Umayyad & Abbasid Caliphates [Arab], Sassanid Empire [Persian], Seljuks [Turks], Fatimids [Egyptians], Mameluks [non-Arabs].. Quite ur ignorance
faris710 3 years ago
Part 3: So history is history... no matter how much you hate it.. if it was not violance Islam would have not spread so extreme in such a short time scale.
Anyway all love and respect.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Yes history is history; the only difference is, I've learnt it WITH evidence & historical data; you've learnt it on hear-say & myths.
faris710 3 years ago
Trough historical acounts we read that Muhammes murderd 600/700 jews in Medina bu behading them there is not you can say that will ever justify that the source is Ibn Ishaq. No I am not I have read about Persian history in this case and partly Egyptian trough opressive taxation and politics and in worst in the point of the sword where indirect and directly forced to become muslims. So please be fair to history .
Eopyk 3 years ago
More ignorance on your part. You cherry-pick information and copy-paste what supports your bigoted point-of-view. Muhammad did NOT murder the 600 Jews of Banu-Qurayza - they were put to death on the orders of the Arbitrator who was agreed to by both sides. The arbitrator infact, saved the women & children since the Jewish tribe leader had even wanted to kill all his tribe's women & children too. What was eventually done to that tribe was NORMAL custom in those days for betraying an alliance
faris710 3 years ago
I am not a bigot I am just critical of the history of old arabia in fact I am half arab and hugh part of my relatives are muslims. I have read both Christian and muslim history and I disgusted at bloody violance that both of them stands for note that I think Gert Wilders is an asshole. What I mean is that Muhammed orderd the killings of so many jews and it takes alot to justify that sort of action just because the jews and Muhammed could not agree read Ibn Ishaq.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Muhammad ordered the killings in line with the culture of the day. You are part of 21st century, not 6th or 7th century Arabia. Your analysis fails at the very moment when you start evaluating 7th century practices using 21st century paradigms. Ibn Ishaq is a much disputed figure whose claim to fame is exaggerated and his sources continue to be questionable
faris710 3 years ago
Part 2: From wikipedia on the issue. ''Muhammad is also criticised for the death of the men of Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe of Medina. The tribe was accused of having engaged in treasonous agreements with the enemies besieging Medina in the Battle of the Trench in 627.[23][24] Ibn Ishaq writes that Muhammad approved the beheading of some 600-900 individuals who surrendered unconditionally after a siege that lasted several weeks.'' And you still try to justify this? Nothing can.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Obviously if you are a Wikipedia Scholar, I shall rest my case here because it is a waste of my time to argue with perhaps a teenager who gets his 'knowledge' - especially of controversial issues from WIkipedia, a source that can be edited by anyone, anytime.
Banu Qurayza was the only Jewish tribe to come to a bloody fate; there were two other Jewish tribes & none of them suffered the fate that Banu Qurayza did.. Go figure WHY.. & for a change, read a CREDIBLE BOOK.
faris710 3 years ago
Part 3: How ever Faris the main point is that Islam just like Christianity spread by force. Islam in Iran,Egypt,Middle east trough bot direct and indirect methods trough opressive tax and second class citizens for people who where not muslims just as Christianity spread by force in Scandinavia where I live. I have nothing against muslims or Christians but I am sceptical of the idealogies and that those not make me bigot at all. For an example your not bigot because you critizes a religion.
Eopyk 3 years ago
False gibberish. Islam was never spread by force. Even though in 'some' cases the 'territory/land' was taken by force; there was NO effort at all to convert the populations of those regions to Islam. History is littered with evidence from Spain to India. Non-Muslims thrived in Islamic Empires/kingdoms/Sultanates. You have nothing to go on for since u provide no evidence, yet continue to launch verbal farts based on jingoistic propaganda cherry-picked from Islamophobic website & hate literature.
faris710 3 years ago
I am not a him. No your wrong once again have you ever read about the Hindu holocaust? Have you ever read about who they invanded Egypt and people who where non-muslims where opressed. Have you ever read about Persia? Have you ever read about how Caliph Omar treated non-muslims in the middle east?
Your extremly ingorant and cannot handle facts in the issue classical muslim responce when you get handle the fact that Islam spread trough opression.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Again there was no 'Hindu holocaust'. The word Holocaust seems to have become a sort of fashion trend where even past battles b/w two armies are termed holocaust by the losing side. Since you've read so much and your wisdom exceeds everyones'; please come up with sources for your claims. Merely repeating your polemic rhetoric is futile and is not going to earn you browny points. I have YET to see FACTS from you - me ignoring them or non-handling them is not even question till u present some
faris710 3 years ago
No it was that Caliph Omar wanted to spread Islam and tried to take over India the first 16 times failed but Muhammad bin Qasim sucsseded thus began great opression and death to Hindues of course hindu nationalist may say it is bigger then it was but it was still a horrible crime and should not be justified for the case of spreading a religion.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Caliph Omar tried to take 'over' India? Haaha! WOW. The last time I checked, India did not even exist in the 7th-8th century; only a handful of warring, petty Hindu kingdoms.
Like I said, come up with some evidence & facts. Dont waste my time otherwise with your ignorance
faris710 3 years ago
Part 2 : I have read from serveral sources. In Old Arabia people never fought because of religion or very seldom because of it they fought for honor they even hade inter marriges but when Islam we start to see war because Muhammed once he gott political power wanted to make everyone muslim. Have you ever read Persian kings responce to Caliph Omar? /watch?v=daDZyBSlicQ&feature=channel_page
So say paying opressive tax deny equall rights is and opression and death is to thrive? Sorry it is not
Eopyk 3 years ago
Here again you waste ppls' time by saying '...read from several sources'.. WHAT sources? Care to point them out? Every kid on youtube can claim to have read 'some sources' & type up any worthless comment he/she wishes
Dont give me cheap youtube videos for evidence jst like your Wikipedia knowledge. Give me creible books, historical work, etc to make ur claims credible. Fact is, neither Mecca, nor Madina became entirely Muslim until a long time after Prophet's death. U're living in denial
faris710 3 years ago
Books, websites debates, films and people. I mean seriously the videoi I was linking is a historical document of the persian responce to Calph Omar where he talks that the muslims go around forcing people and spreading there faith by the sword. Yes it took time with opression people converted. Do not bullshit with me.
But all love to you anyway.
Eopyk 3 years ago
Once again; you point towards a video uploaded by a Persian nationalist who is busy in his 'private wars' against Arabs on youtube. What a waste of time. Come up with credible, unbiased, evidence from historians & academics. You live in a womb of denial, cherry-picking information out of context to compliment your pre-conceived notions of ill-will against Muslims as a result of your Islamophobia.. Arguing with an ignorant like you is a waste of time.
faris710 3 years ago
Well when I say India I mean those kingdoms that I see that you show no respect to. Who uploaded the video the letter is an historical fact. And the actions as well. I talk with Iranians very often and even yman of them who are muslims agree that Islam come to Persia trough violance and opression. I see there is no reason to debate futher with you cause I see that you care less about these cultures and care less about how muslims treated them.
It is sad...
All love
Eopyk 3 years ago
Sure. Muslims converted Persians through violence and oppression - am sure that is why most of Persian culture is intact today. You fail to provide evidence for any of your claims as usual; jst keep repeating the same gibberish back n forth, then declare yourself victorious in the argument yourself & then try to cut n run. A typical example of an Islamophobe who has no rationality to speak of
faris710 3 years ago
islam has come to persia through violence and oppression.
dutchfreedoms 2 years ago
Yes true and tried to argue that.. but acroding to Faris that is not the case even it it is.
Eopyk 2 years ago
we canhave different opinions on it, thats fine. but we should ALL be allowed to have our opinions heard so we can educate ourselves and openly discuss, freedom of speech for us all
dutchfreedoms 2 years ago