@VideoGamer869 ..... LOL if u think warriors were underpowered in wrath then u were not playing it right, which goes more for fury, its not as easy to play, but if you were good at it wrath u destroyed everything.
@TheLaracingteam wich makes u a skilled player...the class was still underpowerd. warriors where werry gear dependent. at midle/ end of wotlk things staretd gething easier tho. but warrior was still up compared to dks and ret palys and worst of all frost mages, now its more even..were still outpowered vs frost mages, but wich class isnt?:P
@taymaz1 agreed, but lad, you should try and work on your English a bit more... instead of wich try Which, also instaed of where werry try-were very, and instead of gething try getting, other than those words the rest is mostly fine.
I love L80 ETC, just wish there was more moshing and headbanging during their performances lol =P I did quite honestly stop playing WoW a little while ago but I plan to keep up to date with this band and maybe return to the game soon hehe =)
WOW PLAYERS ARE TOTALLY GAY, THE BAND IS COOL AND FUNNY, APROPERLY USES THE GAME THEME TO DO COOL SONGS, BUT THE WOW PLAYERS DONT KNOW APRECIATE GOOD SONGS, AND TALK SHIT ON YOUTUBE.
dont generalize please ... i'm a wow player ... and i personally wanted to drop a bomb when Ozzy had his show on BlizzCon ... and everyone just stood there drooling not doing anything.
and yeah ... this song is good ... i don't give a damn about musician skills, Dream Theather is supposed to be the band with some of the world's best musicians ... and i hate their songs.
@CurtiRSPOA For Shure, i'm a wow player, and i know there's a lot of good players on the servers, but i hate this haters, everything blizz lauch, a lot of faggots came here just to dislike.
@OCARALHOque How can you say that with what you just put your talking shit on youtube right now most wow players listen to kickass music... well the guid im in does maybe you need a life... dont even think about replying about i should get a life for playig wow just get the fuck out of my house and go kiss justin bieber on his mangina..
@OCARALHOque says someone talking shit on youtube. lol I play wow a lot, and while I do I listen to Dragonforce, Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Metallica..ect..ect...Mostly while I pvp. Really helps to focus on the battles a swell.
Somehow i feel sorry for this guy, but i still keep laughing... I mean what the f***... "we are warriors!" .. You cant take him serious.. He sounds like some sort of heavy metal dude .. But when you look at him he's just a fat guy with no life .. *No offense* ....
The more nerfs i see for Warriors, the more i realize, this song isn't an Ode to Warriors, it's a Funeral Dirge for Warriors. Warriors are a up front, in your face, "Loktar Ogar" class, Victory or Death. They have no gimmicks to reset a fight for them, they have no abilities to escape a fight, just abilities to get into a fight faster. Probably one of the reasons why Blizz hates Warriors so much, they're a "Horde flavor" class, and Blizz favors the Alliance.
all you who have said bad thing abaot this band shoud get a life this isnt their best sond but if you have nothing better to do then make fun of a truly awsome band you should get a life
I don't understand the bashing , these guys simply rock most of your socks of ...so what if they sing metal and if they sing about wow , guys , learn to play guitar and then comment about them , this song is quite nice ...
@bogdantheislander I'll withhold my personal opinion of their music, but I don't think you can defend it by saying "learn to play guitar and then comment". If you are insinuating that technical skill = good music, I totally disagree.
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES " Virgins unite " ... Rock n' roll ... Work for the most recognized and sucessful game producer, and play to your fans, call them whatever you want, they don't give a shit ^^ ... we all know ur just jealous.
@hellkaiser96 - what? no love for Nyhm? and also - these guys are also the same people giving you what you are playing now. And if they aren't, they're working on StarCraft 2 stuff. And I've met Samwise and Mordahime - they are cool people no matter what they do.
I dont know why people who dont understand and dont play the game, comment here I think the nerds are those who dont know what they are talking about, Noob! first play the game an then comment! @JacobBoddington
Samwise's voice isn't that bad and the drummer is pretty decent. The guitars are sort of iffy though, they just sound a little off. On the whole, not amazing, but pretending it sucks is just being pretentious.
Hehe, yah I do agree this is incredibly cheesy and all but I'm just hoping you all realize that these guys are probably incredibly rich from Blizzard...
WTB FREE WOW >=O I BOUGHT CATA AND CAN'T PLAY CAUSE I GOT NO MONEY FOR A MONTH DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! AND I'M AFRAID TO PAY SENSE HACKERS BROUGHT DOWN VISA WEBSITES AND OTHER CREDITCARD WEBSITES
Fuckin camo cargo shorts with a leather suit belt and a tucked in t-shirt. I didn't see his shoes but I'm gussing they're strapped sandals with socks.
Bizzard 'employees' is an understatement. The bassist is the president and co-founder of the company. The singer is the art director and one of the guitarists is the lead producer of Star Craft.
@pikez17 they work for blizzard. they are employees that created a band on the side. sure they are getting paid to be there, but its not like they are a bunch of randoms.
this guy have taken game way too serious. Nerd raging in arena is understandable since it a competitive and stressful environment. But writing a song about it and acting it out? Damn that another whole level of nerdness!
Reminds me of manowar...
TheaterOfNight 5 days ago
go to darkmoon faire thet show them
eleigh1979 2 months ago
And this is why I am glad I sticked with my Warrior main even back in Wrath when they were the most underpowered class.
VideoGamer869 4 months ago
@VideoGamer869 ..... LOL if u think warriors were underpowered in wrath then u were not playing it right, which goes more for fury, its not as easy to play, but if you were good at it wrath u destroyed everything.
TheLaracingteam 3 months ago
@TheLaracingteam wich makes u a skilled player...the class was still underpowerd. warriors where werry gear dependent. at midle/ end of wotlk things staretd gething easier tho. but warrior was still up compared to dks and ret palys and worst of all frost mages, now its more even..were still outpowered vs frost mages, but wich class isnt?:P
taymaz1 1 week ago
@taymaz1 agreed, but lad, you should try and work on your English a bit more... instead of wich try Which, also instaed of where werry try-were very, and instead of gething try getting, other than those words the rest is mostly fine.
TheLaracingteam 1 week ago
need a studio version...
slayerdark0 4 months ago 13
They're awesome, play really well, and put on a good show....but their songs are redundant and their lyrics need some work. Sorry for my opinion :|.
GatsuugaX 4 months ago
Saw this last night at Blizzcon too! Warriors of Azeroth REPRESENT!!!
Napalm006 4 months ago
Just saw this live at Blizzcon. iTunes please
animewarrior16 4 months ago
HammerFall shirt ! x)
darckben999 5 months ago
Would love to see a future team up with Corpsegrinder!
warduke 5 months ago
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Ryoketsu 4 months ago
@warduke Are you a wizard?! Unconscious prophecies!
rcarass1 4 months ago
L80 ETC are awesome! We are the Warriors!
>"Metal will never die!" \m/ <
metalhead5816 5 months ago 2
I love L80 ETC, just wish there was more moshing and headbanging during their performances lol =P I did quite honestly stop playing WoW a little while ago but I plan to keep up to date with this band and maybe return to the game soon hehe =)
metalhead5816 5 months ago
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metalhead5816 5 months ago
Mages QQ about not having a song :D
Warriargh 5 months ago
155 people who have watched this were clearly death knights, druids, hunters, mages, paladins, rogues, shamans and warlocks.
V4pa 5 months ago
We are The FORSAKEN LEGION!!!!!!!!!!!
johnsquest 6 months ago
even the developers are sided with horde
kespec 6 months ago
Samwise and the tauren chieftainz!!!! \m/
ch3353n1nj4 6 months ago
compare with watch?v=UPJdjEbhWXw :))
stenjk 7 months ago
his voice, the lyics, and the way he sings reminds me of Jack Black and David Draiman from Disturbed...
mewantcool 7 months ago
he messed up on his leerics at 1:00 said the instead of this although not that big of deal
nefarios1 8 months ago
SAdly the drummer uses digital drums... that sucks.
However, it's a cool song.
TouringRocket 9 months ago
@TouringRocket dont matter if he had a normal drum set it would make the same sounds just louder
killzone1236987 8 months ago
Can i ask you a quesiton peps WHY THE FUCKA RE YOU COMMENTING ON OTHER PEERPS COMMENTS THIS IS DUMB ASHIT
!
WorldOfNerdCraft1 9 months ago
Why were the lyrics on the monitor different to what he was singing?
LordAnarothEverstill 10 months ago
then we get nerfed -_-
Deathprovider66 11 months ago
Ha, I was there, that was such an epic day!
Shadowmeany 11 months ago
This song is for the brave warriors, not for the gay pallys, rogues and mages!
OCARALHOque 11 months ago
WOW PLAYERS ARE TOTALLY GAY, THE BAND IS COOL AND FUNNY, APROPERLY USES THE GAME THEME TO DO COOL SONGS, BUT THE WOW PLAYERS DONT KNOW APRECIATE GOOD SONGS, AND TALK SHIT ON YOUTUBE.
OCARALHOque 11 months ago
@OCARALHOque
dont generalize please ... i'm a wow player ... and i personally wanted to drop a bomb when Ozzy had his show on BlizzCon ... and everyone just stood there drooling not doing anything.
and yeah ... this song is good ... i don't give a damn about musician skills, Dream Theather is supposed to be the band with some of the world's best musicians ... and i hate their songs.
CurtiRSPOA 11 months ago
@CurtiRSPOA For Shure, i'm a wow player, and i know there's a lot of good players on the servers, but i hate this haters, everything blizz lauch, a lot of faggots came here just to dislike.
I hate Dream Theater too hehehe
OCARALHOque 11 months ago
@OCARALHOque How can you say that with what you just put your talking shit on youtube right now most wow players listen to kickass music... well the guid im in does maybe you need a life... dont even think about replying about i should get a life for playig wow just get the fuck out of my house and go kiss justin bieber on his mangina..
ironmaidenrlz1 10 months ago
@OCARALHOque says someone talking shit on youtube. lol I play wow a lot, and while I do I listen to Dragonforce, Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Metallica..ect..ect...Mostly while I pvp. Really helps to focus on the battles a swell.
guardiangarasu 9 months ago
Lame. a band should be BETTER live, not 10x worse
Mrdeathmetal100 11 months ago
Fail
tcrosser 11 months ago
almost sounds like the vocalist from grave digger. not to mention he does the art for all of hammerfalls albums? fuck yea
Morrogoth 1 year ago
This is probably the gayest thing i have ever seen, and i like wow!!! but, this is just gay
IgotGreens101 1 year ago
touch my ass and finger my... well you know!
SexyChck7821 1 year ago
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xerum26 1 year ago
i hope they dont think they are any good...poor fat fuck, the band it self is ehh but he is just fucking HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shadkill 1 year ago
147 got mortally struck by a warrior :<
V4pa 1 year ago
Somehow i feel sorry for this guy, but i still keep laughing... I mean what the f***... "we are warriors!" .. You cant take him serious.. He sounds like some sort of heavy metal dude .. But when you look at him he's just a fat guy with no life .. *No offense* ....
EDITbyReaver 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver "Hey he's an a singer, he is kinda chubby too... What does that mean?
I KNOW! THAT MEANS HE HAS NO SOCIAL LIFE, THAT'S IT! I'M BRILLIANT!"
WolfgangWhiplash 1 year ago
@WolfgangWhiplash Wow... Your so hardcore. Playing hard over the internet aint cool mate.
EDITbyReaver 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver So I heard calling people nerds over the Internet made you cool...
mangekyodiedara 1 year ago
@mangekyodiedara Im just expressing myself ? Ever heard of that?
EDITbyReaver 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver Are you implying I possess a so hardcore?
WolfgangWhiplash 1 year ago
@WolfgangWhiplash What im saying dude is ... It aint cool trying being hardcore over the internet..
EDITbyReaver 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver Quit being a middle schooler who cares if people think he looks cool
mangekyodiedara 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver I got confused. "Your so Hardcore". I mean, what's a So Hardcore and why should I have one?
WolfgangWhiplash 1 year ago
@EDITbyReaver he is one of the WOW top programmers! Your life depends him HUAHUAHAUH
OCARALHOque 11 months ago
The more nerfs i see for Warriors, the more i realize, this song isn't an Ode to Warriors, it's a Funeral Dirge for Warriors. Warriors are a up front, in your face, "Loktar Ogar" class, Victory or Death. They have no gimmicks to reset a fight for them, they have no abilities to escape a fight, just abilities to get into a fight faster. Probably one of the reasons why Blizz hates Warriors so much, they're a "Horde flavor" class, and Blizz favors the Alliance.
Korbu0 1 year ago
NERDY!
narutothejanitor7 1 year ago
1:57 wtf?
Ectelon 1 year ago
You guys do realize they are Blizzard Employees that work on the Game? Dude, Just, if you like rock/metal... how can you NOT like this
AlienXCherie 1 year ago
I have mixed feelings about this i like it cause im a warrior but im also alliance haha
Seriously great song as usual =D
SiddifOnline 1 year ago
you fckers don't have life, wife, kids, jobs, REAL friends'!
chichi81275 1 year ago
anyone who talk bad about L80ETC must be a part of the fucking pussy ass alliance
KOTheMonk 1 year ago
lol the way he sings and sound kinda reminds of a combo of Jack Black and David Draimon from Disturbed
mewantcool 1 year ago
all you who have said bad thing abaot this band shoud get a life this isnt their best sond but if you have nothing better to do then make fun of a truly awsome band you should get a life
kawikagonsalves 1 year ago
Blizz should hire Oxhorn... <3
eiyela 1 year ago
I don't understand the bashing , these guys simply rock most of your socks of ...so what if they sing metal and if they sing about wow , guys , learn to play guitar and then comment about them , this song is quite nice ...
bogdantheislander 1 year ago 29
@bogdantheislander I'll withhold my personal opinion of their music, but I don't think you can defend it by saying "learn to play guitar and then comment". If you are insinuating that technical skill = good music, I totally disagree.
icarus550 5 months ago
They should evolve to L85ETC
reygermano 1 year ago
this dude looks like Tauren .... freak
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Virgins unite!
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 1 year ago 12
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES " Virgins unite " ... Rock n' roll ... Work for the most recognized and sucessful game producer, and play to your fans, call them whatever you want, they don't give a shit ^^ ... we all know ur just jealous.
CurtiRSPOA 1 year ago
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES don't be so cruel with yourself, don't call yourself that!
tutu1987 1 year ago
@tutu1987 I'm really hoping that wasn't supposed to be clever.
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 1 year ago
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES I have a lv 85 warrior and a lv 85 hunter and i found that funny. especially because i am a virgin as well
ggcpres 1 year ago
It's pretty cool that the CEO of blizzard is jamming the bass
Guildiemark 1 year ago 11
only a handful of people that sing about WoW i consider cool (Druidboyz, Gigi, Sharm and Abandonation) but not these guys
hellkaiser96 1 year ago
@hellkaiser96 /agree
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 1 year ago
@hellkaiser96 - what? no love for Nyhm? and also - these guys are also the same people giving you what you are playing now. And if they aren't, they're working on StarCraft 2 stuff. And I've met Samwise and Mordahime - they are cool people no matter what they do.
AnimeGamer0 1 year ago
@AnimeGamer0 well no wonder they suck, took them how damn long to make Starcraft 2?
hellkaiser96 1 year ago
@hellkaiser96 You clearly don't know what making a game involves. :D
Daktalakpak 1 year ago
@hellkaiser96 LOL if you consider making shitty youtube videos that involve autotune and talking about World of Warcraft "singing" go for it.
Cromyth 1 year ago 2
That's kind wierd .... but still quite awesome ^^
artem1996sav 1 year ago
Nice.
tDeathwingr 1 year ago
wow................ist der häßlich!
herrgreenhorn 1 year ago
aspon ze je to metalista :D
TheKrivytomik 1 year ago
lol for nubz
Mr118c 1 year ago
YESTERDAY IS HERE.
AnIntangibleBadge 1 year ago
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SECRET FOUND!
owneroftheintern3t 1 year ago
i kinda want to listen to the studio version...
mewantcool 1 year ago
from long time ago when i played wow i didnt turnt into my character!
MundVproductions123 1 year ago
is he Tauren of level 80? loooooool
orks helps to sing him
elfs nervous smoke in other side
yuri3981 1 year ago
I bet he gets all the chicks.
not.
Abryd 1 year ago
This shit is weak
leon625 1 year ago
"who the fuck wants war" - Lil Kim
teamlilkimftw 1 year ago
tucking his shirt into his shorts were a nice touch
JED0396 1 year ago
hes kinda bad ass. sorta looks like dimebag with the camo shorts.... tucked in shirt'll never do though. the electric drum kit is kinda weak too
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emeraldsrox 1 year ago
I just died a little.
Aderbj 1 year ago
Bad band, bad music, but VERY nice lyrics ..... also
BLIZZARD STOP TAKING MY LIFE AWAY :'<
TheCrush1992 1 year ago
These guys are far from being warriors.
serzh123aaa 1 year ago
Sounds like a terrible want-to-be metal band.
xGeemaa 1 year ago
ultimate nolife band, video game, generation
sk3jds 1 year ago
War....Achoo!.... excuse me ...War!....War!...
belikejames 1 year ago
that was so bad if this was netflix i would rate this 'not interested'
KojachBaumherr 1 year ago
War war war come on guys for real come on
BURZKE1 1 year ago
He reminds me of Jack Black.
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100luomuxiaoxiao1 1 year ago
WAR.... hammer ripoff?
LanksMachine 1 year ago
I dont know why people who dont understand and dont play the game, comment here I think the nerds are those who dont know what they are talking about, Noob! first play the game an then comment! @JacobBoddington
aldazatr 1 year ago
funny part is these are game developers that make a lot more money then all of you
wowmanss 1 year ago
Sounded good to me.
BrenttheGreat 1 year ago 3
Pity comment...
LemonNeo 1 year ago
Lol, and people wonder why they make fun of people who play world of warcraft. This is hilarious. xD
LemonNeo 1 year ago
We all know how they spent their weekends in highschool. Playing D&D. Ahhh, to be a rich nerd.
psychedelnick1 1 year ago
EPIC FISTPUMP AT 0:50 ROFL
juan112341 1 year ago
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA stay away from WoW kids. You might turn into A WARRIOR OF AZEROTH. Haha poor guy.
MrBrazilDavis 1 year ago
is WOW even fun? looks pretty boring.
ResidentDevils 1 year ago
NERDS!!!
JacobBoddington 1 year ago
Samwise's voice isn't that bad and the drummer is pretty decent. The guitars are sort of iffy though, they just sound a little off. On the whole, not amazing, but pretending it sucks is just being pretentious.
ChocoGoob 1 year ago 2
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
dearLord1990 1 year ago
I know you are all bashing them, but I just feel so bad for them...
drag0nfig0 1 year ago
now this is a real nerd. no questions asked
ThePorousOnion 1 year ago
they are not thaaat bad
Osterhase90 1 year ago
Hehe, yah I do agree this is incredibly cheesy and all but I'm just hoping you all realize that these guys are probably incredibly rich from Blizzard...
tuttleshuttle13 1 year ago
u guys realise that they are just game developers so umm give them some slack?
insanic1 1 year ago
grow up bitch
dhakas 1 year ago
I'm going alliance...
NeverAfterForever1 1 year ago 22
LOLLL !!!!OMFG NOOBC4KE only a real leval 80 jackhammer elf tauren wouldent do a nazeroth slaying wizards song omfg troll
tintin4561 1 year ago
lmao!!!! that 1 guy is right these guys are high in the company at blizzard.. not to mention one of them is the president of blizzard hahahaha
wowmanss 1 year ago
Better than Manowar.
TheIronMegadeth 1 year ago
you can hate it all you want but they're still better than jb. and probably richer too.
Fistbeardthepirate 1 year ago
LOL, laaaaaaame
jasonfitt 1 year ago
JAJAJAJAJAJA the new manowars jajajajaj xD oh my god, fockin blizz
Emilzanetti 1 year ago
WTB FREE WOW >=O I BOUGHT CATA AND CAN'T PLAY CAUSE I GOT NO MONEY FOR A MONTH DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! AND I'M AFRAID TO PAY SENSE HACKERS BROUGHT DOWN VISA WEBSITES AND OTHER CREDITCARD WEBSITES
harryraylane14 1 year ago
5 minutes out of the basement and this is what you made of it?
CaptainCalifornia 1 year ago
That lady with the deep voice and beer belly is a total MILF.
psychedelnick1 1 year ago 2
He has the perfect T-Shirt :D what? Hammerfall is my favorite band, and he carries their shirt :P
Oh, and a non-live version might be better...
hammersyko 1 year ago
Fuckin camo cargo shorts with a leather suit belt and a tucked in t-shirt. I didn't see his shoes but I'm gussing they're strapped sandals with socks.
psychedelnick1 1 year ago
warriors of azeroth is a understatment its more warrior of the left mouse click
Rsvloggity 1 year ago
New bad company ( mekabi.com ) DEC 22?
MagJon4 1 year ago
if no one new this its actally metalocolypse
Rsvloggity 1 year ago
All they need are rock band toys -_-
VerticalWalrUs 1 year ago
@VerticalWalrUs Remember the rule don't feed the trolls? Don't feed the uploaders ideas :P
DominusVita 1 year ago
2:56 Hey, it's Skwisgaar Skwigelf from Metalocalypse.
DominusVita 1 year ago
Bizzard 'employees' is an understatement. The bassist is the president and co-founder of the company. The singer is the art director and one of the guitarists is the lead producer of Star Craft.
trymv1 1 year ago
@trymv1 !....
DominusVita 1 year ago
Fucking dumb
Opeeumm 1 year ago
Hey, They're making billions of dollars, they do what the fuck they want.
halfdragonhal 1 year ago 3
This is so fucking embarassing...seriously i feel ashamed while having nothing to do with it at all....its just....oh god..
schmendriks 1 year ago
Songs are more bad ass when they're in-game with the earth rumbling and the fire raining.
figmentofyourmind 1 year ago
sings like jack black
drsta84 1 year ago
I am totally tucking my shirt into my cargo's for class tomorrow.
saqibaz 1 year ago 2
I wonder when was the last time he got his hair cut.
20 years ago maybe?
alehax27 1 year ago
FUCKING INSANITY!!!
bobjoe2008 1 year ago
They make us wow layers look like even bigger nerds ;/
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rthrthjrt 1 year ago
say these guys aren't cool if you want, but the only uncool dudes are the ones PAYING THEM TO BE THERE ROFL
pikez17 1 year ago 19
@pikez17 they work for blizzard. they are employees that created a band on the side. sure they are getting paid to be there, but its not like they are a bunch of randoms.
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dfg343ge 1 year ago
Hey! Cool! You tuck in your shirt! Cool! Hey do you have any mountain dew or Doritos?
8ballasnow 1 year ago
wow most copy and pasted guitar/drums ever. lyrics awful also glad i did the digital download
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dfg343ge 1 year ago
Should have been "Mages of Azeroth".
BGSoccerMagic 1 year ago
Will listen if they ever put out a good video. I can never listen to any type of "live music" when it has static ><
MrBubbleKing 1 year ago
After listening to this band I now take Spinal Tap seriously.
drogoscg 1 year ago
the animated version is better than them in real lol
TORN9000 1 year ago
this guy have taken game way too serious. Nerd raging in arena is understandable since it a competitive and stressful environment. But writing a song about it and acting it out? Damn that another whole level of nerdness!
Quy4life 1 year ago
They may be nerds... but they run blizzard. They could probably buy everything you own.
avianfury 1 year ago
Cool! lolz...
Spiralminds 1 year ago
Give them a chance . Comeon . They don't leave their mum's basement that often .
Kopifyer 1 year ago
Rarely I don't know what to say.....the fuck?
TheXaho 1 year ago
um....
junitono1 1 year ago
Eh....
ihavelongname 1 year ago
this is stupid, giving the wow-gamers a bad name....
TwiceBF 1 year ago
LOL wtf is this shit?