Atkins Diet Misconceptions: Lack of long term studies?

[Goinglite]

-naturalhygienesociety (Dot )org (Forward Slash )diet2 (Dot) html

[bowulf]

@Goinglite I agree there is certainly enough evidence of vegan diets being difficult to do right without added supplementation or extremely careful menu planning. Most non-vegans don't have to worry about supplementing their diets as they naturally can consume what their body needs.

[mza1979m]

Just because low carb works for some, doesn't mean it works for all. It works best for individuals who are carb sensitive. Otherwise, people who tolerate carbs well and who are able to easily digest it are encouraged to make it approx. 50% of their calorie intake. It all depends on who you are and how your body's able to tolerate certain foods. I lose 2 lbs of body fat per week while maintaining my carb/protein/fat ratio at 50/30/20. Every few days I cut down on carbs a lot to confuse my body.

[bowulf]

@mza1979m I have never said that it is necessary for all people to follow a reduced carb diet. I believe many people could succeed well on a low carb diet, and I do find it unnecessary for anyone to saturate their diet with simple refined carbs. I do also believe following a consistent approach works best as any "trick" or attempt to confuse the body will likely be short term approach and bring short term results. At least, most people I know who try cyclical living usually give up.

[mza1979m]

@bowulf To be honest, I didn't even read your reply. I was just expressing my opinion after seeing the first few minutes of the video. However, regarding the "cyclical" approach, I know it won't work for everyone. Nothing works for everyone. However, I firmly believe any given approach has to be modified every so often in order to keep the body guessing, particularly during a temporary "fat burning" stage. This helps to maintain an anabolic state, as opposed to a catabolic state.

[bowulf]

@mza1979m Great I can see this is a fruitful conversation where each responds to each other. Here is me responding to you...

Take care and eat well. I wish you luck, but as such, I am not one for idly talking to myself.

[Goinglite]

Dr Stanley S. Bass "In Search of the Ultimate Vegetarian Diet" does a great job in dealing with the problems with veganism. You can find his website through a search engine.

[bowulf]

I agree - dropping all animal products has some severe consequences, and trying to do it without supplements is definitely detrimental to one's health.

[Goinglite]

drbass (dot) com (forward slash) veganrats (dot) html

drbass (dot) com (forward slash) mice (dot) html

Deals with some important issues concerning vegan-ism.

[tubeexcellence]

@Goinglite

What evidence do you have that verifies rat studies are accurate means of determining human diet and replicate exact human physiology and biology functions?

Other than the observable differences there seems to be many biological differences between human & rats - pcrm.org/resch/anexp/rats.html

Are we suppose to assume because there are the terms like doctor & scientist the study must be true or do we just insert our authority confirmation bias & believe study is accurate?

[Goinglite]

@tubeexcellence

If you are right, you need to tell all these scientists to stop using mice and rats for testing. If you are wrong, well ..............................­... :) Vegans talk about longevity, but how many have actually lived past 100 years old ?????

[bowulf]

@Goinglite @tubeexcellence I agree with the anti-mice bias in light of the number of genetically modified mice used recently in studies being fed diets that by no means look like a human diet. (processed food pellets) I think the damage or bias can go both ways -- anti-meat or anti-veganism. Natural mice eating natural foods might point to a certain theory for humans, but it is far from definite.

The point is one should read studies with a discriminating eye and bs filter for bad science.

[tubeexcellence]

@Goinglite

Nice try at a misdirect.

If you read it again I asked you three separate questions and did not provide proof, but instead asked you to provide the burden of proof since YOU offered the one 1912 rat studies as proof in "deals with some important issues concerning vegan-ism".

[Goinglite]

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[Goinglite]

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[Goinglite]

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[Goinglite]

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[Goinglite]

@tubeexcellence

"We share 99% of our genes with mice, and we even have the genes that could make a tail" - Dr Jane Rogers, Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute.

This genetic similarity draws my attention when I see mice getting sick and dying on Vegan diets. The observation by Dr Joel Wallach is a good one - kingmaker (dot) net (forward slash) trustme (dot) html#3

[Goinglite]

@Goinglite One more excellent link dealing with the puzzling lack of longevity for Vegans.

naturalhygienesociety (dot) org (forward slash) diet3 (dot) html#8

[Goinglite]

@tubeexcellence - naturalhygienesociety (dot) org (forward slash) diet-nazariah(Dot) html

[tubeexcellence]

@Goinglite

1) It looks like Jinjee addressed the interview very well here

thegardendiet (dot) com (forward slash) naz (dot) html

2) I just found out that Frederic Patenaude no longer believes his statement "I personally have found benefits in including some animal products in my diet"

[bowulf]

@tubeexcellence I find it comical that Jinjee says "Statistically far more meat-eaters suffer from B12 deficiency than vegetarians, vegans, and raw-fooders." That does not reach the point of the issue. Higher percentage of vegans suffer from B12 deficiency (87% are Type 1 or Type 2) than the standard eaters. Saying there are more individual meat eaters or the control group that are B12 deficient means nothing unless you know the size of the sample.

[bowulf]

@tubeexcellence If 87% of 1000 vegans and 10% of 10000 of control group were deficient, I'd rather be in 10% group.

[nikosaspros]

What people seem to ignore is that when people changed to an Atkins style of life they didn't have healthy eating habbits in the first place. I can tell that all, absolutely 100% of people which I know who was loosing weight on Atkins and got lurred by this "healthy eating habits talk" returned to their old junky food habits and morbid obesity, Io-Io dietings and other problems...I haven't given up on Atkins and I'm fine, It's been a five years journey now.

[benanaman]

chick chick, Boom!

favourited.

I can only guess how much fiendish opposition you come up against. I'm only just getting into it, but when I try and speak up about the harmful effects of sugary foods to people, they get vicious over it!

[bowulf]

Yeah if you ever want to see just how peaceful and cordial some vegans are to meat eaters, just search "bizarro vegan video" here on youtube. Talk about being addicted to their food and lifestyle.

[GavinsGramma]

Hi Kent, thanks for this video. I work with a gal who is a vegan and we have had this "discussion"... I can't wait to show her your video here on YouTube. I started Atkins on May 2nd 2009 & have now lost 104 pounds to date. Due to Lupus & Gastroparesis, my health is followed by 3 specialists each month; they all agree I have never been in BETTER health and only want me to continue. So before anyone boo's our Atkins, they might want to think of how my health was at 364 pounds! THX SO MUCH KENT!!

[bowulf]

Simply fantastic - there is simply no arguing with your well-documented success.

[Bonnie90505]

Excellent, this is the kind of video that needs to help educate those who are questioning low carb. I found that its the grains and sugars that aggravate my arthritis and my mental clarity.

I am my own study, along with regular blood work. I try to eat meats that are organic and also use fats such as coconut and olive oil.

Sugar is a major source which cancer cells feed off of. Since WW II cancer and diabetes came more common..if we eat like then did 100 years ago, fat was in all the foods.

[bowulf]

Yep, I agree completely. That is the problem with most epidemiological studies is the acceptance of some things as just standard and some things as variables. Grains and refined sugars have not been studied for so long while meat with the vegan bias rampany has been grilled in studies. (pun intended)

To some part if I weren't making the videos, I wouldn't care. I know I am healthy, and studies can only confirm the obvious. It is those just starting that need the confidence. Thanks Bonnie!

[livinlowcarbman]

I'm linking to this video on my blog today, Kent!  EXCELLENT!

[bowulf]

Very cool, Jimmy! This is a topic that likes to get down played in the news just how well investigated Low Carb and the science behind it actually is.

[livinlowcarbman]

Yep! Check out my latest post when you get a chance, Kent. :) It hits this very issue head on.

[bowulf]

Just got done reading it. When I get off dial-up access and back home to DSL, I'll likely have more to say, but the fact that my videos see a resurgence every year and still are seen over avg 1300 times each day demonstrates people are still wanting the truth. People know the truth is out there, and all the attempts from what will be the niche will not dissuade them.

[livinlowcarbman]

You are exactly right! I've seen the same thing with my blog posts, YouTube videos and podcast show. People are STARVING for the truth and people like you are giving it to them. Kudos my friend!

[AppleSouffle]

The Framingham Study is worth noting:

director, Dr. William Castelli, reluctantly admitted, In Framingham, Massachusetts the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the person's serum cholesterol. We found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, and ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most active. Yes, those who ate the most cholesterol and fat gained the least amount of weight.

[bowulf]

Another fantastic study proving the entire vegan paradigm of dietary cholesterol equals higher cholesterol wrong. It is only time before all but the die hards or diet zealots admit the truth.

[whysalmon]

Oh Thank you Jinxed I will cut the brown rice then. Thank you! and Thank you bowulf for great video!

[whysalmon]

I really feeling so good since I started Atkins, every things is really good, I do have low carb like brown rice 1 cup a day. :)

[jiinxed1]

Sorry, but in my opinion you should not be eating the brown rice if you really want to lose weight

[whysalmon]

I agree with you! Great video really! Thank you!

[bowulf]

You are very welcome, and thanks for watching... How is everything going with you?

[ckrtom2]

Nice haircut, Kent.

[bowulf]

That's the joy of having a wife who just graduated from cosmetology school - ready and willing person wanting to experiment on your hair..

[ANGIEfromAtoZ]

hi bowulf its angie  i think whats so funny is the people that THINK they know health DONT I AM WILLING TO GO GET A FULL PHYSICAL FROM A DOCTOR TO PROVE MY HEALTH IS AWSOME AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I RECENTLY HAVE HAD A PHYSICAL 2 WEEKS AGO AND I AM A DIR HARD LOW CARBER THANKYOU SO MUCH KENT FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH

[bowulf]

Hey Ang!

Some people will never accept what they don't understand or what conflicts with their religion of low fat, low cal, or veg. lifestyle. It wouldn't matter if you and 1000 others like you lived to 120 and finally died after running a marathon. They would claim you should have won the marathon.

Keep living the good life and reaping the rewards...

[raultalbot7]

Low carb is the only way to go. Saved my life back in the late 70's. I lost over 100 lbs and have never gained it back. Almost 30 years later and I'm still going strong.

[bowulf]

But don't you realize, you are about 25 years overdue for coming down with cancer and having a heart attack? Surely you must be worried that you are literally one foot in the grave right now.  I mean sure the weight is gone (short-term water weight loss I am sure), but you just exchanged one problem for another. HA!

Congrats on being such a success story and proof once again the naysayers don't have a clue. Simply fantastic post and thanks for watching!

[raultalbot7]

Ha ha....I remember hearing that for the first 5 years. Now they don't say that anymore. For my age group (health wise) I'm doing better than most of my friends.

[bowulf]

Not a problem, and thanks for watching... I haven't had a problem with my doctor, but I have found it hard for others to argue with success. There are some really good diabetes doctors out there though that will support your choice - like Mary Ross Vernon or followers of Richard Bernstein.

Merry Christmas!

[spamllpitdept]

lol Do the vegans even have any long terms studies supporting they're lifestyle? I know low-carb does due to the medical cases involved with things like diabetes ... but are there long term vegan studies?

[bowulf]

I did find a couple (just a couple) - like "Long-term effects of a vegetarian diet on the nutritional status of elderly people", The Oxford Vegetarian Study: An Overview, and the Buddhist nuns study. But to be honest, I could care less about the validity of their diet. If it works for them and they have no medical conditions like B12 deficiency or osteoporosis, great I am happy for them.

Their success is no competition with mine. Unfortunately the same is not true for some of them.

[hislivingsacrifice]

Merry Christmas!!! Good and informative video. Love all the information you have in the description box.

[bowulf]

Merry Chirstmas to you and your family as well! Living well and healthy is one thing, but having the science behind you makes a success story all that more powerful. It does well usually to silence the honest naysayers. The other ones won't listen and will still complain just because you won't bow down to their religion of low fat.

[bhavikpatel1983]

give you tons of credit for having success with low carbs. i couldn't do that myself, but have been carb cycling. has been working great.

basically, on cardio days, i eat fewer carbs, and on weightraining days, i eat more carbs. its going well...a nice balance... but its hard for me to go very low carb for long term. you make it look easy :D

[bowulf]

There are many ways for success, and I am glad you found what works for you. Don't let anybody tell you differently. As for making it look easy, the run yesterday in 30Fweather and constant rain didn't feel easy. :-)

[bhavikpatel1983]

appreciate it man! and of course...it's definitely hard work...next year around june/july..i plan to cut down body fat...will tune in to your cooking vids for that time!

sorry for the word 'easy'...you know it's not, just as i do...but if you have a plan that works...just have to execute...sounds easy though :D

[bowulf]

Oh I understood the context. I was just having fun. No worries man... :-)

[Mumzeeee]

I go in January to my doc ... we shall see what He says... I have finally go my BSL levels under control!

[bowulf]

Congratulations on getting your health under control! That is an achievement and puts you a long ways on the road to health living.

[TinFoilChefDotCom]

@n10ding I've found the same to be true. When I'm eating low carb diet I find that my blood sugar is much easier to control. I usually find that I need less of my diabetic medications (metformin, glimpiride and insulin) to maintain a blood sugar in the 80 - 120 range

[Mumzeeee]

AMEN... I finally are seeing normal BSL for the first time in 18 years.... doing a modified ATKINS diet.

[bowulf]

Mary Ross Vernon - runner up Diabetes educator of the year -- often finds patients off their meds with 3 days or having to adjust them significantly downward that soon. Thanks for providing your wisdom.

[TinFoilChefDotCom]

nah. that weren't wisdom.. that were my experience.