Patriot Game - Dominic Behan

[PackingPadre]

I'll take Dominic Behan's song over the thief Dylan any day.

[jeffmudrick]

Edwardky1 you are quite correct about the 1957 recording of Patriot Game. I was thinking of Carrickfergus which was first recorded on this album.

[sionnyn]

I love this - and now in Scotland and Wales there is a deep stirring along the same tract.

[misfitstattoo]

Bob Dylan is a thief and is a weak songwriter, pretentious at best. He doesn't write from paper to pen, like Dominic did. He templates his songs from countless folk songs. How can you admire a man who pays for a song and claims it was written by himself, the song in question being 'Blowing in the wind'.

[urbanangel13]

@misfitstattoo it was With God on Our Side...Dylan used same melody after listening to TPG by DB but never gave credit.

[misfitstattoo]

@urbanangel13 I never said it was blowing in the wind which he stole from Behan, I said: "how can you admire a man who pays for a song and claims it was written by himself , the song in question being Blowing in the wind." It is true that he paid for that song I wasn't getting it mixed up with with god on our side.

[urbanangel13]

@misfitstattoo oh okie dokes...on same page then lol 

[edwardky1]

As I began to state before I ran out of space - I have the original album , which I suspect is as rare as hens teeth.

[edwardky1]

In the interests of accuracy this song I believe , first appeared on an album recorded in 1957 on The Riverside Records label ,RLP 12-820, a New York Co. Owned by Bill Grauer Productions Inc.

It was accompanied by John Hasted on guitar,banjo and concertina and has in all 16 tracks.

Behan was born in 1926 into an intensely Irish Republican family .

His uncle was Peader Kearney , who wrote the Irish National Anthem.

Dominic's brother Brendan , was renowned as a playwright

I own the original al

[handballr15]

It's very interesting that in the scene from "Don't Look Back" with Donovan, Dylan proclaims that he doesn't want to hear anything about Dominic Behan!! Now I realize it's because he ripped off his tune!!

[raymartin10]

dominic copied the tune from jo stafford''s the nightingale released in 1948. look it up on u tube. behan did his own version of the nightingale in his own words"to the tune of patriot game". however stafford had already done that. it may have been a subconscious steal from behan.

[Qvibration]

Dominic Behan inspired John Lennon & Bob Dylan!!

Bob's "with god on our side" is a great song. Obviously inspired by Dominic's "patriot game" lyrically too. I think it's fair to say he took Dominic's song and made it his own.

[sunriseRISE]

@Qvibration .. dylan JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE RIPPED OF THIS WHOLE SONG put some new words to it and called it his own.. what a ripp off dylan was

[DavidB5501]

@sunriseRISE I don't think Behan ever claimed to have written the melody (which is traditional), so 'putting new words to it' is pretty much making a new song. It's fair to say that the pattern of the lyrics in Dylan's song is similar - each verse ending with the same refrain - but the substance of the lyrics is completely different. Where I do pick a bone with Dylan is that he didn't say enough about his traditional sources in his album notes.

[sunriseRISE]

@DavidB5501 cmon now Dominic Behans= The patroit game=justifys its wrongs by hiding under a flag--AND-Bob dylans God on our side=justifys itself by hiding its wrongs by having religious right ....I SAY to MR Dylan'' this is not a hard days work... but more than just making it that much of a Steal.. MR Dylan has not the talent to write you own Music...INFACT 95% of bob dylan ist three long playing albums are full of stolen music... check out' DONT THINK TWICE...stolen from Paul clayton

[DavidB5501]

@sunriseRISE The similarity in the lyrics is minor. Dylan may have got the general idea of singing about spurious justification for war from Behan, but there is no copyright in general ideas. I agree that a lot of Dylan's early songs are based on traditional melodies, the Clayton one being another example. But when you say Dylan 'hasn't the talent to write his own music' you seem to be forgetting the years from 1964 onwards!

[sunriseRISE]

@DavidB5501 ...BOB was the 'boy-doll ' for the smug folk ies ..creaming his pants at his own cleverness and playing to an ageless mesh of '' uppermiddleclass beatnicks''.....THEN WAMMO= THE Beatles landed=young= new = talented and answering back.....kicking their''cuban heels' in the puddles of bob n' co's slap us on the back fake 'folk' tears..... a music from the most 'violent city in Europe''LIVERPOOL'...AND THIS sat bob on his ass thinking'' fuck ,where the hell did this come from=

[sunriseRISE]

@sunriseRISE ...=cont... im going to be left struming my guitar to bald headed bitter ol folkies in wetdog smelling clubs....While my REAL GENaRATION RUNS wild with Joy thru the streets of NEWyork to the calling of the Beatles British invasion...Long haired- stovepiped- screaming -rocking and rolling and oringal giving the finger to all who dont get it-....AND they write there own songs..THAT dont sound like my trad-folk rip offs....dylan 64 onwards... was jumping wagons and playing catch up

[sunriseRISE]

@Qvibration ....dominic behan didnt inspire john lennon-- john lennon could write his own music

[yourcamden]

In the interest of free speech, this song is still banned by the BBC.

[SuperSparkyMark1]

I love Dylan but jeez, he ripped this dude off when you wrote 'God On Our Side'.

[jamesgmcateer]

@SuperSparkyMark1

my american cousin,

i am lissnin to this drunk and emotional.

this man taught me my first chords n ma daddys back garden,

He didnt just rip it off he appologised on the court steps!

There can be only one, and Dominic was it!

[ViciousCannibal]

@whiteej21 Well said. Something like that may have played a part.

[ViciousCannibal]

I'm not directly replying to AmericanFenian on here because he'll just retort with nonsense. Then again, those defending Dylan are acting equally childish. Behan adapted the melody of Patriot Games from The Merry Month of May. Dylan later wrote With God on Our Side obviously using the same melody. That's what folk singers do. That's folk. The same good songs played throughout the ages. Dylan did an honest parody out of disagreement. Why credit one who he disagrees with?

[sunriseRISE]

Bob Dylan was never oringal.. ist he was woody rip off 2nd hes ripping off uk folk '' ''bringing it bk home'' indeed.. Dylans ist 4 albums are pretty much ALL BRITISH FOLK MUSIC......MASTERS OF WAR, DONT think twice, blowing in the wind etc etc BOBS RIPPED THEM off... JESUS NOW I READ FOR HIS 18TH BIRTHDAY THE WEE Zinamini jumpED up n' down throwing a'' tantrum PLUS''' so bad his dad bought him a new HARLEY DAVIDSON PLUS A PINK CONVERTABLE.... JUST TO COOL HIM DOWN

[AmericanFenian]

@sunriseRISE

Dylan was a tool and the only reason he was able to go so long rippin people off was because mindless hippies were busy smokin their brains away while listening to people like Dylan who bitched and failed to act. Dylan like most of his hippie followers are worthless.

[Tlax13]

Favorite song

Behan's songs are pure poetry

[BiologyHouse]

This is a great song and I am glad that this version finally hit Youtube several months ago, but I think that Einstein's, oops .............. I mean Dylan's "God on Our Side" seems a more universally powerful. Just one opinion.

[jjmcreal]

@BiologyHouse I don't see how Dylan's is 'more universally powerful' - every war he mentions is an American conflict.

This is a very important song to me as an Irish person. I think both versions of the song are good but this is much more applicable to me as an Irishman who grew up in the Troubles

[Rapparee87]

Dylan listened to a lot of Irish rebel songs, there is a bootleg album of rebel songs he recorded

[malachy1847]

@Rapparee87 Yep your bang on... he also used this tune for  his own song "With God on our side!" he got same fron hanging out in Greenwich with the Clancy Brothers in "The White horse Tavern".......

[workerspartydublin]

look left

[Tayfancier]

Yep, appears Dylan ripped this off, but I like Dylan's lyrics better. Of course, I'm not Irish so I'd feel differently if I was.

[theshininggenji]

Good ol' papa Dom.

[OOjiBoy]

@theshininggenji Why did you call him papa dom ?

[theshininggenji]

@OOjiBoy Beacause he was my grandad.

[GerryBolger]

jaysus dylan practically robbed this song.

[IngridMichelle]

Truly great:)

[kingstowngalway]

Dear Mr. Mudrick,

Thank you for posting this. I have been looking online for Dominic Behan's recording of this song. He was a very talented man, but the verse about the murder of Gardai caused my blood to freeze in its veins.

Best Wishes,

kingstowngalway

[CompVid101]

Thanks, Jeff! I just caught your comment on my "Comparative Video 101" blog - this is a priceless addition, and I've never heard this original until right now despite knowing the song for 45 + years.DB has quite a fine voice. I'm adding this to the blog piece right now.

- Jim Moran

aka CompVid101

My main channel here on YouTube is called

sensei48

and you'll see my folk group The Chilly Winds there. Thanks again!