I dont think Israel can lie out of this one anymore, the WORLD knows they are liars and cant be trusted. People are getting feed up with Israelis and their WAR like attitudes and will be KICK OUT of the Arab countries forever like the EUROPEANS did and that's how they ended up in Palestine. If GOD dont drop a bomb on Israel he will send a tsunami to wash them out for ever and I hope GAZA citizen somehow be saved by the grace of GOD.
Amen to that. I wish Jews all over the world could realize the potential disaster their current attitude will eventually bring upon their community. It is history repeating itself all over again. But their arrogance and conceit blind them. Let's also be aware of the many Jews around the globe who not only dissociate themselves from main stream Jews/Israelis but do more for the cause of justice and truth than many Arabs and Muslims so in our anger and frustration we ourselves
This fucking tool Mark Regev. They Israelis basically take him into a small room every morning, fill him with his lying propaganda for the day and then release him the the Jew owned mainstream media to regurgitate his ridiculous rhetoric and put the spin machine into high gear. Only the filthy Heebs can make it sound like they are still being victimized by a Nazi army that was defeated over 60 godamn years ago. If Hamas stops firing rockets, then the murderous scum IDF launch an attack to provo
As much as I understand your anger and frustration I would ask you to please refrain from fowl language. It doesn't add anything to the the discussion and doesn't work in favor of your argumentation. The only thing fowl language says is: "the speaker is not really well brought up. Do I want to listen to him?!" It is in no way a personal reflection on you.Anyone who can read comments here and be enlighten about the true face of Israelis is one more voice in the camp of truth/justice
Honestly, what kind of question is that? are you part of the IsraHelli hasbara coming on this post to stir trouble and divert people from the real questions raised by this video? Namely that the IsraHelli gvt broke the ceasefire!!!
Go find your stupid gullible naive target elsewhere.
No Israeli civilians were killed during that time because Arab militants have used all their rockets supply and were expecting more material to arrive through the tunnel?! What say you?!
what is your evidence for those assertions? you must be very well connected with the IsraHelli intelligence services and gvt to know that for sure! Because as far as I'm concerned if you are able to track down precisely their stockpile, shouldn't you be able to stop their reaching Gaza? With all the military and technological sophisticated tools today I can't believe they are still able to get anything across w/o some official IsraHelli acquiescence!
The reason there are no longer hundreds of Israelis dead is because of PREVENTIVE MEASURES like bombing a tunnel geared to enable raids into Israel; or other tunnels geared to bring more ammunition for more missiles.
I guess Eurabia would be happy only once more Israelis are killed.
I don't buy your preventive measures theory. First because Hamas or someone just recently fired rockets into what is today Israhell and used to be Palestine. I don't buy it either because with all the high tech gear the IDF has they should be able to intercept any such shipment of illegal arms into Gaza.
As to Eurabia: it is evidence of your racist fear mongering tactic so cherished by many Jews and Zionist all over the world.
And no "Eurabia"will not be happy once more Jews are killed. It will be happy once Jews all over the world go back to their home country and work harder at living in piece among their fellow citizens instead of using their country as a jumping board to further their colonialist arrogant and despicable agenda. We will be happy once they stop acting like they are the chosen people and the others are rubbish!
He's just trying to be the best face of the IsraHelli hasbara. He knows the truth very well. He just tries to twist as best as possible to give credence to his people's crimes. He's an unrelenting liar. But ignorant he is not!
@MarkStuartParis agreed ! these people know what they are doing very well! in fact they are not ignorant they suppose the rest of the world is, and want to keep them so by feeding them with lies.
Remember the ten comandments Thou shalt not kill. That means ever! Anyone, or anytime.
I believe those commandments were also stolen from the egyptians who had the covenant - it was however " I have not killed" and changed to a rule. Which of course they break every chance they get. If you truly are God abiding and fearing you won't do it!
Regev, in USA on 12th Sep 2001, talking his usual shite on CBS news, begs the question: if all flights were grounded, he must have already been in place. Look it up on Internet Archive, and go figure.....
@hukby But Hamas didn't throw rockets, he agreed. Watch the video again and he says "That is correct".
What the Hell do you mean "of course they did". Are you Zionists that one-sided in the head?
And how the Hell does a tunnel deserve breaking the truce? If the tunnel lead to Israeli side they could have just demolished it from the ISRAELI side. No? and what if the tunnel was dug before the truce? Huh?
we were supposed to wait for hammas to kidnap our soldiers first?
lol
british pigs, fuck you. you enslaved the half of the world, stole artifacts and resources from africa to india, killed scores of innocent people all over the world and now you tell us its not ok to prevent an attack on our soldiers, inside the territory of israel. lol. fuck you.
You're so ungrateful to the Brits. They did all that and gave you Palestine! Remember?! But again you have been ungrateful for centuries: who protected you from the Inquisition while the Roman Church all over the world persecuted you? Wasn't that the Imam of the Mosque in Paris who published flyers to Muslims all over France during WW II calling them to assist, protect and hide in any way possible "their Jewish Brothers"? Will you one day be ungrateful to America too for blindly protecting you?
The Brits never "gave Palestine" to us...the Jews of Eretz Yisrael fought a war in which we lost 1% of our population in 1948-49. They initiially made contradictory and competing promises to both Jews and Arabs, later they largely sided with the Arabs. Individual Muslims in Nazi-occupied Europe showed great courage in protecting Jews, likewise the king of Morocco did the same, this has no bearing on fanatic Muslim terrorist groups such as Hamas. We can be grateful to one group and fight another.
The only real reason why Muslims accuse Isreal is because they're racially biased against Jews. As It turns out most of them that accuse Isreal of tyranny are no more than hypocrites themselves.
Hamas are genocidal tyrants who murder more of their own people than they event murder anyone else, Hezbollah threw violence on civilians on Northern Isreal in 05 and 06, which later caused the 06' Leabanese War. Al'Qaeda and Taliban are terrorists, Ahmadinejad is a lying racist hypocritical dictator.
they feel the same about any "gentile" (or Goy i think they call us). US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are something around 40,000 dead and wounded.(although many americans, myself included, believe this number is bullshit and the real number is much higher). afghanistan and iraq are both wars fought for ISREAL's national security under the direction of zionist politicians. and soon... IRAN! all so the isreali's dont have to spill their precious blood for their own interests.
afghanistan and iraq are very far geographically from israel, we don't even share a border so how can they threaten israel? afghanistan is a wasteland, it can't do nothing to anyone and saddam knows better than attacking israel. your war in iraq and afgh is an american war for american interests. you want more influence in that region and you got it.
next you'll blame the vietnam war on the jews right?
no im not, though i wish i was. both of those countries are in the same "geographical" region as isreal. and saddam knows what? saddam is dead so i dont think he knows much exect the temperature of the dirt he is lying in. what american interests? the only thing interesting in afganistan is all the poppies, and maybe some good weed. ok maybe iraq has some oil, not much. as far as american influence in the region, saddam was a puppet put in power by the US. i am failing to see your point.
Hypocrisy, Palestinians believe their blood is more valuable than event the entire Israeli population, plus whenever Isreal does something very generous like give 1/3 of their land to them, they give no credit, denying they done such an act of generousity and just demand to give them everything they have. They are just Hypocrites.
Oh yes because you would totally let someone come into YOUR land - kill your children- move you out- and block all means of aid into your area.
And when that person decides to return a bit of your land - that person wants you to THANK them and to be GENEROUS.
What are you crazy?
So what if they did return anything to the Palestinians? What do they want, a cookie? They were only returning what was owned by the Palestinians in the first place.
First of all, before It was Isreal, It was THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE, occupied by British, Syrian, Jordan, and Egyptian immigrants, It itself was a colonial entity. It was under property of Britain, Britain gave the Jews the land, It was not stolen. second of all, Palestinians are murdering themselves off, do suicide bombings to murder innocent civilians, teach their children to use strap bombs to murder Jews.
The Palestinians are stealing and committing Genocide, their hypocrites.
And who "owned" Palestine before the Brits? You see Palestine with boundaries on all the maps of that era. Never IsraHell!
And even if history were to agree with you, IsraHell has never been A STATE the way you are alluding to! So why should it be one before Palestine? Just because the Brits decided and they had then the upper hand?
You are a joke dude! You need to go to Tel Aviv and follow their proper official propaganda guidelines if you don't want to make a fool of yourself so easily.
lol, It was owned by the Ottoman Empire before the Brits, second of all Isra"hell" is a hell made by the Hypocritical Palestinians themselves, If It weren't for their own racist and violent nature Sholan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza would be free open border states with all Its populus happy in their safe homes where Jews and Muslims would finally live in peace. But despite the Peace deal to give 1/3 of their lands to them in turn to recognize them as a state + stop violence, the Pallies didn't.
And who owned it before that? Your language shows how racist you are. But what should one expect from people who consider themselves "the chosen ones"?!
1/3 of the land for 70% of the 1948 population. And 2/3 for the mighty 30% "chosen ones"! WOW you are so generous! Thank God, not all the Jews i know are that racist and unjust! If you have forgotten your faith and what justice is. It is your call. But don't ever forget...The Last Call! It will never be the unjust's!
Oh yeah, I'm sure those peacefull, innocent, anti-racist, and just Palestinian groups that butcher each other, chant death to Jews, teach their children to kill all Kuffars, and stick a dagger in the back of a nation that made them one of the most free Muslim civilizations in the world. How peaceful,loving,tolerant,innocent,
Do you believe in God or Justice? Not sure. But in my books 2 wrongs don't make a right. It's not because nazis went about butchering Jews that if i catch a nazi fighter I would put him in an oven! You have no human or spiritual justification for the treatment of your so-called hypocrites! Nor is collective punishment justified.
Also, you want to talk about bad?What do you call a society that suffered the Holocaust in the hands of nazis and breads its own Israeli Neo-Nazis?I call it SICK!
When you cage people in a ghetto, deprive them of food, medicine, water, work and then you bomb them and then incinerate them and when you spray neighborhoods with white phosphorous you really dont need mickey mouse to teach them to hate Israel.
Are you dumb enough to think I'm a Jew, looks like you didn't read my profile. Also, the Jews been living in Isreal for a couple millenias until the 7th century when Muslim crusaders took the land. The reason why Zionists are seen as tyrants by the Arabs is because they've never witnessed the Palestinians hypocrisy.
Xbox, Muslim crusaders? when did the Muslims attack and kill Jews? the Byzantine empire ahd control of that region and the Muslims fought the Byzantine roman empire, the empire that was killing the Jews simply because they are jews, when the Muslims came in they were welcomed by the Jews, even the Muslims and the Jews helped eachother win battles against forgein attacks.
The idea of "chosen" means that devout religious Jews (most of the world's Jews, whether they live in Israel or abroad are NOT religious) were "chosen" to worship the Deity by strictly observing the 613 commandments of the Torah. About the only people who think about being chosen are religious Jews, who understand "chosenness" in terms of their religious duty to observe the covenant by adhering to laws of diet, Sabbath and ritual purity. The other people who think about it are Jewhaters.
So, the average Jew never even thinks of himself as a member of a chosen people, and devout Jews only consider it in terms of their belief that they have a religious duty to worship God by strictly keeping the minutiae of Jewish ritual law--because that is what the classic Jewish concept of being "chosen" by God entails. Now, one can argue that sounds like arcane mumbojumbo, but it's certainly no less so than believing some dude nailed to a cross is the saviour of mankind!
It is elite Jewry that owns the US Congress, most of the US mass media, has corrupted the US justice system with all these fake homegrwon terrorism arrests and seiure of mosques and properties, that gouges us with a kosher tax and billions of our ta dollars going to Israel, with the trillion dollar bail-out of their investment banks.
The list of crimes they have committed is endless. the Italian Mafia at its height was a pimple to their Himayas
@shumixox Haha me too. It's not even worth it, they don't change their opinions. The funny thing is, people like us know both sides of the conflict in & out and Zionists/pro-Israelis can't even fathom our POV because they're so deluded, closeminded, or in denial. They argue completely on emotions, lies and insults.
With all due respect, Palestinian have been there are as long as Jews...for centuries. For one simple reason: there are mainly Jews (except for the bedouins) who converted to Christianity and then Islam through history. Check the Palestinian People entry in Wikipedia. The DNA and genetic studies sub-section.
Whether many of the local Arabs who have recently adopted the sobriquet "Palestinian" have Jewish ancestry or not, the fact is they aren't now. There are two nations here with deep roots and competing claims to the land, neither nation wishes to be dominated by the other. The only feasible solution is a 2-State solution. Israeli Jews do not want to live in a binational state dominated by Arabs, we have enough collective bad experiences living as a minority in other places.
@MikhaelMeir *begins singing* victim mentality, oh victim mentality, justifying their own genocide *ends singing*
My entire family went through the Armenian Genocide (ever heard of it, huh? Hitler mentions it. Look it up) and I don't let my "victim mentality" get in the way of moral consciousness.
Deluded and emotionally manipulated, that's what you are. It's not your fault, it's American propaganda courtesy of the AJC and mainstream American news (i.e. censorship at its finest).
One thing we in Israel are not is victims. The whole point of Israel is that Jews are not and won't be victims in our own country. Victims don't defend themselves, like we do in Israel.
There is nothing good or noble about victimhood and the Jews of Israel, free Jews living in their own land and controlling their own destiny reject that label.
@MarkStuartParis You must consider the fact that the Palestinians were not loyal to their immediate neighbors but identified with the Pan Arab federation that was determined to send the jews into the sea (Al bahar).
Whether or not Hamas fired those 15 rockets themselves, they were fired from Hamas-controlled territory, by factions aligned with Hamas, such as Islamic Jihad. Either they fired them with Hamas's blessing, in which case Hamas is culpable for violating the ceasefire, or Hamas has no effective control over Gaza, in which case Israel obviously coudln't rely on them to enforce it and had to take matters in its own hand. Additionally, Israel couldn't weapons' smuggling through tunnels.
Where were you when that debate was raging 6 months ago? Don't you know that your perspective has already been taken on by countless experts?Commenting to add something new is fine! Otherwise, wait for the next war on Palestine to break.
Also, there was a debate about the cruelty and human rights violations on a large scale from the IDF that has been already settled by the UN Human Rights Commission. So don't come on here in 6 months to argue their findings.
"Where were you when that debate was raging 6 months ago?"
I was being called up for reserve duty in the IDF.
In your small, narrow world, a "Human Rights Commission" settles everything?
Where were they when Hafez Assad shelled Hama in 1982? (He killed about 50,000 in less than a month, but he very effectively dealt with an Islamic insurgents threat.)
Sri Lanka has also acquitted itself pretty well recently in dealing with Tamil terrorists. We need to learn their methods.
Are you one of those dual US-Israeli citizen like Rahm Emmanuel who after 60 years doesn't know where he belongs?
The pblm w guys like you is that you love to go way back in the past. But guess what? Way back Israel didn't exist. Further more, you love to beat down the UN and their Human Rights Commission only when it suits your political and hegemonic agenda. But don't forget that if it weren't for the UN, Israel would still be a figment of your imagination. Just like your sense of justice!
No, not a US citizen. I grew up and was educated in the States when my Dad had a teaching position there and had a green card, but I never bothered to apply for US citizenship. Why would I?
Rahm Emanuel, by the way, doesn't hold Israeli citizenship, although like all Jews he is automatically eligible to apply for it.The State of Israel probably does regard him as a citizen, because his father's from here, however, he has never applied for it, and he needs to do that first.
We don't know each other so there is no reason for me to take your word for granted. Honestly,what is the probability for a man studying in the US, from a father who has a Green Card and who both and Jewish and live in Israel not to apply for US citizenship?
As for Rahm, maybe you didn't know, although it is in the public domain, he worked for the IDF during Gulf War I! and you don't work for the IDF unless you are an Israeli citizen! That the law no matter who you are.
I never thought US citizenship was so important. When I lived there, I had a Green Card, the only thing I couldn't do was vote. When I was 25, I realized I'd be getting too old for my IDF service soon, so I wanted to hurry back to Israel and get that out of the way before I became an old fart. Once a Green Card holder spends more than a year out of the US, he loses residency. Oh, well. Who cares. My mom took US citizenship after my parents divorced, she got upset that I need a visa to visit.
"As for Rahm...he worked for the IDF..and you don't work for the IDF unless you an Israel""
Wrong. Rahm participated in something called "Sar El" a volunteer org open to foreign tourists who help out in some non-combat capacities on IDF bases. It tends to attract many American Jewish retirees, also college kids on break who want to put on an army uniform and play soldier. They do stuff like serve food on the base canteen, re-stock shelves, clean tanks, etc.
Actually, Israel did exist quite a ways back, and Jews have always been here, and way before the the concept of a "Palestinian nation" was invented. (That concept can be dated to the early 1960s.)
Here you go again going way back! How far back do you want to go? And before "ways back", did Israel exist too? You're going to tell me that God created the State of Israel the 7th day and then "sat on the Throne"? or was it just a desert?
ALSO, I don't want to beat down the UN, I actually donated to UNICEF after the Indian Ocean tsunami and for Myanmar cyclone relief. Some agencies of the UN actually do some good things, still. Nevertheless, the UN is not the last, final word on human rights, as you mistakenly believe. They are a politicized, non-neutral organization when it comes to these matters.
Are you daft man? Israel has more press by capita then any other country in the world, if you ever have the chance to go to Israel you would know in a day of stepping off the plane, that the press is all around you and nothing that goes on goes unnoticed by international press.
So who fired them? Palestinian children who were conducting experiments in Physics and those rockets accidentally fell on Israeli settlements?
Come on- those rockets were fired by organizations which were supported by the Hamas. That's like hiring a killer and tell him to kill someone and then claim that you are innocent because you didn't kill anyone.
Simple point is 'Israel' doesn't exist. Palestine does. They have butchered a nation in front of the world's eyes. Sending tanks into residential areas and shooting anyone they choose, its called murder. 'Israeli' attacks seem to be nice and 'defensive' when they bomb people in their own country. Hamas fights to defend their country its called 'terrorism' on so called 'Israeli' citizens.The braindead 'tv addict' westerners (most of populace) fall for the bull even though murder is on the tv.
look, if someone is running to you with an axe, and you have a gun, would you wait until the first blow and then shoot him?its like he said-defensive prophylactic action.
you forgot to mention your the occupier and have been for a long time thats why the guy is running at you with the axe. self defence is not excuse when your the occupier and therfor the aggressor.
its a slame occupation is never non-violent. Self-determination is right they have. how they choose to express that right is up to them. they need there own martin luther king and ghandi but these types of people are too few.
doronmanor , hahaa, you just proof yourself being an idiot!! Reflect your feeble nonsense onto israel and see what happens......israel is the usurper here buddy.....never ever forget this!!!
doronmanor , israel is an intrusion...it is illegal and occupying neighbouring countries......they defend theirselves, like all countries do when attacked...israel alone is a threat in the Middle East.....stop trying to fool us with that pathetic "we are under attack" cxos israel triggers all hostility by itself........israel broke ALL ceasefires , they even break their own made up rules ......
Wow, what an accomplish. Killing Millions of poor Palestinian and stealing there land and then calling them terrorist. What kind of world is that! The innocent who doesnt even have a basic thing in life called a killer and terrorist. I wish if the truth has tongue
What is funny about this. Ok we have all sorts of tunnels being dug between the US and Mexico for Drugs, human and goods smuggling. But these tunnels are police and immigration matters. Just stop and think for a second the world reaction if the US launched airstrikes and artillary strikes into Mexico, killing 100s of civilians, because of a tunnel! And then said "but there was a tunnel!!!" That is almost laughable. How much do we let Israel get away with?
We let Israel get away with this because, Israel controls the U.S. .Israelis are every where in the U.S., from the White House, CEO's, Media. Israel invaded the U.S. and long time ago, and we didn't even see it coming. And now they want to start a "New World Order", a one world government.
It is not that simple. Israel represents a major US regional ally. We don't actually need them as an ally any more but we are in the habit of simply continuing aid shipments. We could stop at any time and this conflict would be over more or less over night. At the moment we keep it up but as soon as we no longer see a need for Israel this tacit support will end. It is too expensive to continue. At this rate there will be enough public outcry to insure an end to aid. The media tide is turning.
Now Maanchild you need to cut it, grow up and think with your head like a man and not your emotions like a woman! Leave emotions for the weak. Anger is never a good consul.Comments like:'i'd kill my child', is not only totally unproductive, but above all inhuman, and against God's law if you only but knew! God is taking care of Israel! what are you doing for this world? Kill your child for a stupid flag? That's really smart! Your heart is too dark!
But being a Jewish state and a democratic one is incoherent and contradictory because in a democracy people should be represented regardless of their religion or political affiliation; thus claiming that a state that is ONLY for Jews is incompatible with democracy in every way.
It's a no win situation.But it's mostly a situation where no matter who or what is the subject of debate, Israel, Jews or Zionism,you cannot criticize!
Your attitude towards any criticism is totalitarian and bound not only to failure but an increase in the global resentment towards Jews!
I do criticize Israel policies as well, but to by generalizing the resentment toward Jews, we would be giving the Zionists what they want. However, it seems that the same Zionists are endangering the same thing they want to protect by the continuation of their policies: resentment toward Jews. And it's a pity, for Martin Buber, though being Zionist and philosopher, wanted a two-state solution... or so I read.
"or Martin Buber, though being Zionist and philosopher, wanted a two-state solution... or so I read. "
Actually, Martin Buber wanted a one-state solution, a binational state, for both Jews and Arabs, that would be at once a Jewish state and an Arab state, neither, and both at the same time. Clearly impractical. Buber was a nice guy, but wrong. What is needed is a two-state solution, two states, for two nations. Every Israeli government has endorsed this since 1993.
I hardly see how the building of Israeli settlements in West Bank, the recent speech of Lieberman about Israeli Arabs, the policy of the Knesset that Israel is a Jewish State (harder to believe from the "only democracy in the Middle East") and the military incursion in Gaza Strip can make that possible.
I don't hate Jews at all. But the problem is that everytime i criticize Israelis' policies and the people who support them i am called an anti-semite or Jew-hater! Everytime i criticize a political philosophy, namely zionism, i am in your eyes an anti-semite!
There are a couple of documentarie currently available for viewing:
"Peace Propaganda and the Promised Land"
Occupation 101
and please Google: "Exterminate all the brutes:Gaza 2009" by Noam Chomsky.
These reference provide shocking revelations of the atrocities that Israel has been committing on an innocent population. Then they wonder about the rockets!
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either it's a country for Jews, then you move there and stay there,or you leave!
But don't claim it's your country one day and then use your dual citizenships to claim other allegiances the other, forcing politicians to bankroll your murderous adventures there!
Why the hell did you bother us for a country of yours,if you don't live there?!? JUST LEAVE! Or you can work hard like Blacks in America did, to make it here your home. Stop using America!
I don't have dual citizenship, although I was eligible to apply for US citizenship at 18 (I grew up in your country from age 8, then I attended college in the US and went back to Israel to serve in the IDF at age 25, thereby forfeiting my Green Card and my chance at US citizenship).
But anyway, there is nothing inherently wrong with dual citizenship. I know dual-citizen Canadian-Americans, British-Americans, French-Americans, Irish-Americans,etc. Many people besides Israelis hold 2 passports.
There is nothing wrong in principal. But when American citizens hold Israeli citizenship too and clearly state that their allegiance is to Israel first, allow me to be outraged here, especially in the light of the power the Jewish/Isreali lobby has in DC that allows them to dictate our foreign policies! And that's what Rahm did in 1991: while the US was at war in the Gulf against Iraq, he went on to enlist in the IDF ... NOT in the US Army!!!!! That's a traitor in my book!
The vast majority of American Jews do not hold Israeli citizenship. Of course Israel grants citizenship to all Jews (except in rare cases) but those American Jews who take advantage of that usually move to Israel and stay there.
Of course there are also people like my mother, Israelis who moved to the US, became naturalized Americans, and held onto their Israeli passports. By Israeli law, they are required to show their Israeli passport when traveling to and from Israel.
See what i mean!? you guys are making such a big fuss, and when i say big fuss i mean a regional crisis and war that has repercussions on the whole world, to have your own country, and over 60 % of the world Jewish population lives outside Israel!?!?!?!?
Just like your mother and many others, you feel Israeli when it suits you, and American or French or European when it suits you! We never know where your allegiance lays! But one always ought to know which side his bread is buttered!
"you guys are making such a big fuss...to have your own country, and over 60 % of the world Jewish population lives outside Israel!?!?"
That's like saying that because more people of Irish descent live outside of Ireland than live in Ireland itself, that you don't understand why they need their own country. Anyway, American Jews are a vanishing breed. Intermarriage rate is more than 50% and aside from Orthodox enclaves in the US , they are simply ignorant of Hebrew language, Jewish culture.
"Just like your mother and many others, you feel Israeli when it suits you, and American or French or European when it suits you!"
My mother took US citizenship because she married an American after she got divorced and was paying US taxes anyway and thought she should have the right to vote. As I said, I really never seriously contemplated becoming a US citizen, so it didn't suit me. I'm an Israeli patriot who just happened to grow up in your country.
"We never know where your allegiance lays! But one always ought to know which side his bread is buttered!
You're the kind of freak who, if you lived in Germany in the 1920s, would have been worried about the large population of Jews in Germany who had German wives, took part in German politics, culture, sport, arts and science as German patriots (and who were barely aware of their Jewishness), you would have denounced it as evidence of Jewish infiltration of "your" society.
But then, on the other hand, when a Jew successfully assimilates into your society (like the vast majority of American Jews who are just barely aware of their Jewishness), you are the type who would denounce that as too much Jewish influence...and if a Jew wants to be Zionist and moves to Israel (a very small percentage of US Jews do so) you then start pointing to the evidence of clannish behavior.
I explained that Rahm wasn't technically in the IDF but basically doing the equivalent of summer camp volunteering, but in any case, even if he did hold dual citizenship (something he is entitled to have, but AFAIK doesn't have) how it "treason"? Treason is when you serve in a foreign army when that army is at war with the USA. For example, during WW2, there were US citizens who enlisted in the Canadian and British forces, particularly before the US entered the war. Were they "traitors"?
"But when American citizens hold Israeli citizenship too and clearly state that their allegiance is to Israel first" Of the approximately 5 million Jews (or people of Jewish descent) in the US, very few also hold Israeli citizenship. Those people are usually either Israeli Jews who have moved to the US or even fewer US Jews who immigrated to Israel, obtained Israeli citizenship, stayed a few years in Israel, and then came back to the US for whatever reason.
For the small minority of US/Israeli dual citizens, it's exactly the same as all the other people who hold US passports and passports from other countries. I have known fdual Americans/South Koreans, dual Americans/Brits, dual Americans/Canadians, etc. No big fuss. Personally, I had my opportunity to take US citizenship when I was 25, but I wanted to go to Israel, serve in the IDF and get married, so I forfeited my green card. No big deal.
Also LeonidB123, there are a lot of things Jews there ought not to be proud of: they have Jewish Nazis! Can you imagine a Jew being Nazi and painting a Swastika on people's door in Israel?! They did it!
you bring examples of deeds of single people, how about the many suicide bombers, missle shooters? look at their TV, they teach children to commit suicide in the name of resistance and fighting for their land. If they are living like beats as you said, why not use their money for good things like food and medicines instead of making weapons and keeping the war going.
The fact that the other is bad doesn't excuse Israel for being as bad. It doesn't justify the many horrible things they do! 2 wrongs don't make a right, period! And i find that so telling that a people like the Jewish people of all people gave rise in its midst to Jewish Nazis! There is a lesson to learn here my friend! And if you don't, your loss
before 1948 there was no Palestinian state either.
After 60 years, what have the Palestinian did? They are in the same situation, living in refugee camps hoping to get back to their land?
They can't even get along with themselves. Look at all the fighting between Hamas and Fatah. They are killing their own men on the streets.
and for the video."rockets not fired by Hamas" so Israel shouldn't respond to them? why do they even have men not related to the government who own missles and weapons?
First check your history, Palestine existed before 48.Second,no matter what you think of Palestinians, no matter what their internal divisions and issues, they don't deserve to be treated like beasts the way Israhell does!
Third Israel has its share of political divisions, they can never have a stable government!Who ever is chosen today to lead the country will have to sign an agreement with the devil of Lieberman!
Fourth, the point of the video is that IsraHell broke the ceasefire, period!
Palestine is the name the Pilestinians and Romans gave for this land, long before there were arabs. These are just scattered tribes who lived in the area, (harrasing Jewish population living there for decades for no reason) which all of a sudden decided they are part of the same people. What have they done here in all that time? And Israel did not break the ceasefire...you just never heard of the misslles being fired before "solid lead" but it happened and I saw it.
And for Israeli politics, yeah it's a problem but this is what happens with democracy sometimes. At least Israel IS a democracy and has Arabs in the Parliament speaking their opinions (sometimes even very anti their own country) while Hamas like I said hunts everyone who opposes it , hanging "traitors" on the streets. So don't just blame Israel for Gazans' poor situation...in many ways they brought it on themselves by choosing the wrong leadership.
Yeah let's talk about those 'Arabs' that your government wanted to bar from the elections, and who have second citizen status in the country! Yeah that's a democracy alright!
By the way, are you one of those guy who has dual citizenship? one day pledges allegiance to one the US, the next day to Israel? There is a name for people like you: turncoats! If you love Israel so much why don't you go live there? Why are over 60% of world Jews not living in Israel?because it's IsraHELL!
Where else in the world do you have paliament members supporting enemies, who deliberately target civilians, going to meet with them and give away secrets, and still getting salaries and pensions?
I do live in Israel, and I don't have dual citizenship. I never said Israel is a perfect place and there are lots of reasons for Jews not to come and live here, like many other people migrate from their homes to Europe/US/China.
60% of Jews in the world live outside Israel!! You don't have 60% of Americans live outside the US, you don't have 60% of French live outside France....etc! So why is that? I always hear Jews telling me about their great accomplishments in Israel all that trouble for this country and still 60% live outside. Why?
You might not have dual citizenship but many American Jews do. I and many other Americans are suspicious of their allegiance, just the way you are with your Arabs in Israel!
you're talking about a tiny group of people and a tiny country. Israel is already densely populated and is only 60 years old so the Jews who lived outside of it stayed in their countries. Palestinians too don't live only in their territories...most of Jordan are Palestinian refugees. you should be more suspicious with Arabs' allegiance in the US, because I don't remember many Jewish plance kidnappers and suicide bombers...
Yes you saw it!?!?! Like you saw God signing you away that land to the Jewish people only! Let me tell you: not only you saw zilch, but you know zilch about history!
I saw it every day, like I still do. There's almost not a single day without missles/mortars fired into Israel. I lived in an area which wes under attack, and I know what it's like and I guess you don't (it was Hizbollah at that time, but they are almost the same as Hamas with similar goals). And Hamas or any other terrorist group don't care who they missle kill, because many of them hit arab homes and killed arabs too.
we can continue this in private Email if you wish, youtube comments annyoing
What you forgot is that Israel still keeps the borders sealed! fair? NO! Now Israel is afraid Hamas is going to accept their ceasefire deal so they added a new clause to kill the deal: the release of Gilad Shalit An other Jew w dual citizenship And you probably expect France to fight for his release?Jews w dual citizenships are a trouble for Jews themselves. Their allegiance in their home country raises anti-semitism all over the world! Stop asking us for a country and then you don't live there!
Israel has an MO. Hinder, stall or sobotage any peace process because an imminent war is the only way to further their cause - that of expanding their settlements.. Hamas has wanted peace and yes they added another clause. If Hamas concede to that clause and release Shalit, dont be surprised if another is added. Another way of prolonging the peace process.
How can you say that hamas wants peace? the nearest the palestinians and israelis cames to peace was after israeli withdrew from gaza, by removing by force all the jews from there that lived there for 30 years. and hamas started continued firing rockets even after they got out. hamsa is funded by iran and won't stop until they kill all israelis.
also when hamas took the power in gaza by force they killed 500 rival palestinians in 2006.
They haven't withdrawn from Gaza. What planet are u on. Anyone who watches the news can see as plain as day that they are as present now as they have ever been. You dont want to believe it because believing it defeats Israel's purpose of expansion, Funded by Iran? It was approved by Israel at first. And it wasnt about the rockets. You zionists are in big trouble because nobody believes the nonsense and blatant lies you tell. Watch the news and read and then know who the aggressor is.
then i guess that the news that you read are full of lies. i was there in 2006 when the last soldier left gaza. there is no israeli presence there until the recent war and maybe a few times they entered to fight hamas but they always leave. you are welcome to go to gaza yourself and see that there are no israelis there!
You people are really quite amusing. Every Israeli I have communicated with always thinks that all reports are downright lies (even from respected sources) and the only truth comes from Israel. I dont think so. And let;s also talk about WB and Lebanon. Israel continues to violate Lebanese airspace (a violation) and only in Dec 2008 crosse the lebanese border and kidnapped 2 civlilans. There were no rockets from there at the time?So what's that about.
there is a big difference between israeli and arab media. the israeli media have no problem reporting bad news about own goverment as in arab countries that would never happen. also most israelis watch foreign media as well.
as to lebanon, only a few days ago they fired rockets on north of israel distroying a house and wounding 3 israelis.I agree that they violate airspace for intelegence but they don't fire at lebanon at least.
I haven't heard about the kidnapping, if you can then post a link
The kidnapping happened BEFORE the rockets. I'm sure you've heard of the the respected MIT Prof Noam Chomsk? He documents the real facts of the Israel-Gaza conflict. Google "Exterminate all the brutes:Gaza 2009
First IsraHell left Gaza ruined but also kept it constantly under embargo! That's legitimization for Palestinians not only Hamas to fire rockets. Then what kind of ignorant nitwit can believe that Iran is capable to smuggle arms to Gaza without the IDF, supposedly the strongest fiercest army in the world, being able to know,monitor stop such military activity?!
The IDF as the strongest army in the world... yeah, right, they lost in Lebanon 2006 and couldn't achieve the overthrowing of Hamas recently. Furthermore, aren't the F-18s they use to carpet bomb... made in the USA?
Our White House chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel preferred to join the IDF, albeit as a volunteer in a non-combat unit, when our troops were militarily engaged in the Gulf in 91! and this guy has now security clearance at the highest level of our government! Unbelievable!
Is America owned by Israel or what? I say: Let's get rid of that dead weight that is IsraHell!
you made a good point. I would like to add another. The dead weight is quite costly to they US which provide Israel a third of its total aid. in 2007 the total aid given to Israel was $118bn. Imagine what US cld do with that sum now in the current credit crunch. What a waste.
actualy ther agreament with israel is that all the aid that US gives must be spent on US companies so in the end all the money is going back to the US.
Israel is not allowed to purches weapons and defence systems from other contries unless the US agrees.
The financial burden on the US that is IsraHell is critical indeed when we ourselves are facing a financial crunch at home. That's an other reason why the whole Zionist Israhelli adventure is doomed to failure at term.
And Tao, don't pretend to be in the arcane of government to tell us here what is the agreement btw IsraHell and the US. You want me to believe that every single penny we give them is coming back to the US?!? Do you think we are all on here just simpletons or an ignorants?!
-Add to that over $1.5 Trillon at taxpayers expense given to Israel.
What do we get? Zilch! Zero! But a big headache, a few terrorist attacks on our soil and on our men and women abroad and the most outrageous deficit. And still over 60% of the world jewish population lives outside Israel!
And the ones living in the US have a suspicious duality regarding their allegiance when it comes to choosing between the USA and Israel that makes me fume!
First,yes as i said a Jewish State that was created and never existed before. There were jewish city state in the area but never the modern jewish state the UN created in 1948.A city state is not a state in the modern sense. Wether you want to admit it or not.
-Then we throw our full fledge support behind Israel for decades fearing the elusive spread of communism in the region. (It is my belief, having lived among the different peoples of the region, that there was never a threat of people in the Gulf states to turn to communism! It was an argument on which i think the Jewish lobby skillfully played to get finance and arms, realizing that at the time everybody in Washington saw red everywhere. Remember Mc Carthy?)
I dont think Israel can lie out of this one anymore, the WORLD knows they are liars and cant be trusted. People are getting feed up with Israelis and their WAR like attitudes and will be KICK OUT of the Arab countries forever like the EUROPEANS did and that's how they ended up in Palestine. If GOD dont drop a bomb on Israel he will send a tsunami to wash them out for ever and I hope GAZA citizen somehow be saved by the grace of GOD.
MsCuriousCat 1 year ago 24
@MsCuriousCat
Amen to that. I wish Jews all over the world could realize the potential disaster their current attitude will eventually bring upon their community. It is history repeating itself all over again. But their arrogance and conceit blind them. Let's also be aware of the many Jews around the globe who not only dissociate themselves from main stream Jews/Israelis but do more for the cause of justice and truth than many Arabs and Muslims so in our anger and frustration we ourselves
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago 8
@MsCuriousCat
don't commit injustice.
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
This fucking tool Mark Regev. They Israelis basically take him into a small room every morning, fill him with his lying propaganda for the day and then release him the the Jew owned mainstream media to regurgitate his ridiculous rhetoric and put the spin machine into high gear. Only the filthy Heebs can make it sound like they are still being victimized by a Nazi army that was defeated over 60 godamn years ago. If Hamas stops firing rockets, then the murderous scum IDF launch an attack to provo
ttiger5050 1 year ago 5
@ttiger5050
As much as I understand your anger and frustration I would ask you to please refrain from fowl language. It doesn't add anything to the the discussion and doesn't work in favor of your argumentation. The only thing fowl language says is: "the speaker is not really well brought up. Do I want to listen to him?!" It is in no way a personal reflection on you.Anyone who can read comments here and be enlighten about the true face of Israelis is one more voice in the camp of truth/justice
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
@ttiger5050
Also, what are Heebs?
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
@emilram
Sorry for the belated reply. Have been busy traveling.
Whatever the truth in what you say: how does it affect the topic at hand?
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
find this video : Who and what is Hamas? from the real news
qqinthesky 1 year ago
@qqinthesky
Honestly, what kind of question is that? are you part of the IsraHelli hasbara coming on this post to stir trouble and divert people from the real questions raised by this video? Namely that the IsraHelli gvt broke the ceasefire!!!
Go find your stupid gullible naive target elsewhere.
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
isreal uses any reason to go and attack or raid innocent paleistinians and say it is either to stop hamas attacks or for mititary purposes
SuperSaad64 1 year ago
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a.
Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
bimbo99 1 year ago
There was a tunnel being dug to infiltrate material for rocket building.
But you are not that smart are you ,old chap?!
emilram 1 year ago
@emilram
who are you talking to? why do you need to make it so personal by calling me or whoever old chap w/o knowing them?
"Violence in the voice is often only the death rattle of reason in the throat."Boyes, John F.
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
No Israeli civilians were killed during that time because Arab militants have used all their rockets supply and were expecting more material to arrive through the tunnel?! What say you?!
boazmoss 1 year ago
@boazmoss
what is your evidence for those assertions? you must be very well connected with the IsraHelli intelligence services and gvt to know that for sure! Because as far as I'm concerned if you are able to track down precisely their stockpile, shouldn't you be able to stop their reaching Gaza? With all the military and technological sophisticated tools today I can't believe they are still able to get anything across w/o some official IsraHelli acquiescence!
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
@MarkStuartParis
The reason there are no longer hundreds of Israelis dead is because of PREVENTIVE MEASURES like bombing a tunnel geared to enable raids into Israel; or other tunnels geared to bring more ammunition for more missiles.
I guess Eurabia would be happy only once more Israelis are killed.
MisterBlueSky1000 1 year ago
@MisterBlueSky1000
I don't buy your preventive measures theory. First because Hamas or someone just recently fired rockets into what is today Israhell and used to be Palestine. I don't buy it either because with all the high tech gear the IDF has they should be able to intercept any such shipment of illegal arms into Gaza.
As to Eurabia: it is evidence of your racist fear mongering tactic so cherished by many Jews and Zionist all over the world.
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
@MisterBlueSky1000
And no "Eurabia"will not be happy once more Jews are killed. It will be happy once Jews all over the world go back to their home country and work harder at living in piece among their fellow citizens instead of using their country as a jumping board to further their colonialist arrogant and despicable agenda. We will be happy once they stop acting like they are the chosen people and the others are rubbish!
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago 3
Now i know for sure!
Mark Regev is the most ignorant zionazi on the surface of this planet.
coolassprov 1 year ago 2
@coolassprov
ignorant? come one! He anything but ignorant.
He's just trying to be the best face of the IsraHelli hasbara. He knows the truth very well. He just tries to twist as best as possible to give credence to his people's crimes. He's an unrelenting liar. But ignorant he is not!
MarkStuartParis 1 year ago
@MarkStuartParis agreed ! these people know what they are doing very well! in fact they are not ignorant they suppose the rest of the world is, and want to keep them so by feeding them with lies.
asrafoo 1 year ago
They have no covenant.
Remember the ten comandments Thou shalt not kill. That means ever! Anyone, or anytime.
I believe those commandments were also stolen from the egyptians who had the covenant - it was however " I have not killed" and changed to a rule. Which of course they break every chance they get. If you truly are God abiding and fearing you won't do it!
LiamYumHome 2 years ago
Regev, CBS news, Sep 12th 2001, 9.39 am, Internet Archive. This man is highly suspicious!!!
countdown247 2 years ago
Regev, in USA on 12th Sep 2001, talking his usual shite on CBS news, begs the question: if all flights were grounded, he must have already been in place. Look it up on Internet Archive, and go figure.....
countdown247 2 years ago
he never admitted that hamas didnt throw rockets, of course they did, israel had to attack them because of the tunnels
hukby 2 years ago
@hukby But Hamas didn't throw rockets, he agreed. Watch the video again and he says "That is correct".
What the Hell do you mean "of course they did". Are you Zionists that one-sided in the head?
And how the Hell does a tunnel deserve breaking the truce? If the tunnel lead to Israeli side they could have just demolished it from the ISRAELI side. No? and what if the tunnel was dug before the truce? Huh?
NightShadeAEB 1 year ago
oh i'm sorry
we were supposed to wait for hammas to kidnap our soldiers first?
lol
british pigs, fuck you. you enslaved the half of the world, stole artifacts and resources from africa to india, killed scores of innocent people all over the world and now you tell us its not ok to prevent an attack on our soldiers, inside the territory of israel. lol. fuck you.
zafff13 2 years ago
You're so ungrateful to the Brits. They did all that and gave you Palestine! Remember?! But again you have been ungrateful for centuries: who protected you from the Inquisition while the Roman Church all over the world persecuted you? Wasn't that the Imam of the Mosque in Paris who published flyers to Muslims all over France during WW II calling them to assist, protect and hide in any way possible "their Jewish Brothers"? Will you one day be ungrateful to America too for blindly protecting you?
BrunoDeGourville 2 years ago
The Brits never "gave Palestine" to us...the Jews of Eretz Yisrael fought a war in which we lost 1% of our population in 1948-49. They initiially made contradictory and competing promises to both Jews and Arabs, later they largely sided with the Arabs. Individual Muslims in Nazi-occupied Europe showed great courage in protecting Jews, likewise the king of Morocco did the same, this has no bearing on fanatic Muslim terrorist groups such as Hamas. We can be grateful to one group and fight another.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
The only real reason why Muslims accuse Isreal is because they're racially biased against Jews. As It turns out most of them that accuse Isreal of tyranny are no more than hypocrites themselves.
Hamas are genocidal tyrants who murder more of their own people than they event murder anyone else, Hezbollah threw violence on civilians on Northern Isreal in 05 and 06, which later caused the 06' Leabanese War. Al'Qaeda and Taliban are terrorists, Ahmadinejad is a lying racist hypocritical dictator.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Jews honestly believe that one of their people's blood is more valuble than hundreds of Palestinians.
Apparantely their negotiating a release of one of their soldiers with Hamas for 400 Palestinians.
Can you believe that?
They openly show that they think Palestinians are inferior.
shumixox 2 years ago
they feel the same about any "gentile" (or Goy i think they call us). US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are something around 40,000 dead and wounded.(although many americans, myself included, believe this number is bullshit and the real number is much higher). afghanistan and iraq are both wars fought for ISREAL's national security under the direction of zionist politicians. and soon... IRAN! all so the isreali's dont have to spill their precious blood for their own interests.
AENIMA42069 2 years ago
You're absolutely right.
shumixox 2 years ago
are you on drugs or something?
afghanistan and iraq are very far geographically from israel, we don't even share a border so how can they threaten israel? afghanistan is a wasteland, it can't do nothing to anyone and saddam knows better than attacking israel. your war in iraq and afgh is an american war for american interests. you want more influence in that region and you got it.
next you'll blame the vietnam war on the jews right?
zafff13 2 years ago
no im not, though i wish i was. both of those countries are in the same "geographical" region as isreal. and saddam knows what? saddam is dead so i dont think he knows much exect the temperature of the dirt he is lying in. what american interests? the only thing interesting in afganistan is all the poppies, and maybe some good weed. ok maybe iraq has some oil, not much. as far as american influence in the region, saddam was a puppet put in power by the US. i am failing to see your point.
AENIMA42069 2 years ago
Hypocrisy, Palestinians believe their blood is more valuable than event the entire Israeli population, plus whenever Isreal does something very generous like give 1/3 of their land to them, they give no credit, denying they done such an act of generousity and just demand to give them everything they have. They are just Hypocrites.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Oh yes because you would totally let someone come into YOUR land - kill your children- move you out- and block all means of aid into your area.
And when that person decides to return a bit of your land - that person wants you to THANK them and to be GENEROUS.
What are you crazy?
So what if they did return anything to the Palestinians? What do they want, a cookie? They were only returning what was owned by the Palestinians in the first place.
Its called STEALING!!! and GENOCIDE!!!
shumixox 2 years ago
First of all, before It was Isreal, It was THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE, occupied by British, Syrian, Jordan, and Egyptian immigrants, It itself was a colonial entity. It was under property of Britain, Britain gave the Jews the land, It was not stolen. second of all, Palestinians are murdering themselves off, do suicide bombings to murder innocent civilians, teach their children to use strap bombs to murder Jews.
The Palestinians are stealing and committing Genocide, their hypocrites.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
LOL....you just said did fool: the British Mandate of PALESTINE! Palestine not IsraeHell!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
The BRITISH mandate of Palestine before It became Isreal, It was a colonial territory not a state.
It was owned by the British and was occupied by immigrants.
Declaration of the state of Isreal was the first time in centuries It became a state.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
And who "owned" Palestine before the Brits? You see Palestine with boundaries on all the maps of that era. Never IsraHell!
And even if history were to agree with you, IsraHell has never been A STATE the way you are alluding to! So why should it be one before Palestine? Just because the Brits decided and they had then the upper hand?
You are a joke dude! You need to go to Tel Aviv and follow their proper official propaganda guidelines if you don't want to make a fool of yourself so easily.
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
lol, It was owned by the Ottoman Empire before the Brits, second of all Isra"hell" is a hell made by the Hypocritical Palestinians themselves, If It weren't for their own racist and violent nature Sholan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza would be free open border states with all Its populus happy in their safe homes where Jews and Muslims would finally live in peace. But despite the Peace deal to give 1/3 of their lands to them in turn to recognize them as a state + stop violence, the Pallies didn't.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
And who owned it before that? Your language shows how racist you are. But what should one expect from people who consider themselves "the chosen ones"?!
1/3 of the land for 70% of the 1948 population. And 2/3 for the mighty 30% "chosen ones"! WOW you are so generous! Thank God, not all the Jews i know are that racist and unjust! If you have forgotten your faith and what justice is. It is your call. But don't ever forget...The Last Call! It will never be the unjust's!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
Oh yeah, I'm sure those peacefull, innocent, anti-racist, and just Palestinian groups that butcher each other, chant death to Jews, teach their children to kill all Kuffars, and stick a dagger in the back of a nation that made them one of the most free Muslim civilizations in the world. How peaceful,loving,tolerant,innocent,
non-violent they are.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Do you believe in God or Justice? Not sure. But in my books 2 wrongs don't make a right. It's not because nazis went about butchering Jews that if i catch a nazi fighter I would put him in an oven! You have no human or spiritual justification for the treatment of your so-called hypocrites! Nor is collective punishment justified.
Also, you want to talk about bad?What do you call a society that suffered the Holocaust in the hands of nazis and breads its own Israeli Neo-Nazis?I call it SICK!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
@XboxFreakboy Raciissttt!
Time to quote Norman FInkelstein:
When you cage people in a ghetto, deprive them of food, medicine, water, work and then you bomb them and then incinerate them and when you spray neighborhoods with white phosphorous you really dont need mickey mouse to teach them to hate Israel.
RubiconXing 2 years ago 29
@RubiconXing lol i agree those ppls are so one sided its just crazy XD
Mankindfails 2 years ago 2
So yeah, the Palestinians are hypocrites.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Google BBC and Israeli 'neo-Nazi Gang' Arrested
Check it out, it's worth it! If you cared for Jews you would try to talk them into justice and reason.
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
You still think Jews are "the chosen ones"?
How could you do that after all that you suffered! Is that some sort of curse or what?!?!?
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
Are you dumb enough to think I'm a Jew, looks like you didn't read my profile. Also, the Jews been living in Isreal for a couple millenias until the 7th century when Muslim crusaders took the land. The reason why Zionists are seen as tyrants by the Arabs is because they've never witnessed the Palestinians hypocrisy.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Xbox, Muslim crusaders? when did the Muslims attack and kill Jews? the Byzantine empire ahd control of that region and the Muslims fought the Byzantine roman empire, the empire that was killing the Jews simply because they are jews, when the Muslims came in they were welcomed by the Jews, even the Muslims and the Jews helped eachother win battles against forgein attacks.
What Hypocracy are the Palestinians causing?
AbdodoxD 2 years ago
Also, Hamas does the Nazi solute to honor Hitler, not the Zionists. Hamas are the real neo-nazis.
XboxFreakboy 2 years ago
Hamas does the Nazi solute, because what the Zionists have done to them...
Zionists are the Nazis of the new generation by the way they act and their speaches like "We are the Chosen ones"
similare to Hitlers quote "The German race is the best"....
AbdodoxD 2 years ago 14
The idea of "chosen" means that devout religious Jews (most of the world's Jews, whether they live in Israel or abroad are NOT religious) were "chosen" to worship the Deity by strictly observing the 613 commandments of the Torah. About the only people who think about being chosen are religious Jews, who understand "chosenness" in terms of their religious duty to observe the covenant by adhering to laws of diet, Sabbath and ritual purity. The other people who think about it are Jewhaters.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
So, the average Jew never even thinks of himself as a member of a chosen people, and devout Jews only consider it in terms of their belief that they have a religious duty to worship God by strictly keeping the minutiae of Jewish ritual law--because that is what the classic Jewish concept of being "chosen" by God entails. Now, one can argue that sounds like arcane mumbojumbo, but it's certainly no less so than believing some dude nailed to a cross is the saviour of mankind!
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
The average Jew is not the problem.
It is elite Jewry that owns the US Congress, most of the US mass media, has corrupted the US justice system with all these fake homegrwon terrorism arrests and seiure of mosques and properties, that gouges us with a kosher tax and billions of our ta dollars going to Israel, with the trillion dollar bail-out of their investment banks.
The list of crimes they have committed is endless. the Italian Mafia at its height was a pimple to their Himayas
oldjoe5 2 years ago
steal? from whom? when israel was created it was british land, and turkish before that.
the palestiniants are immigrates from arab countries that came to israel in the late 19th century.
zafff13 2 years ago
Yeah, i thought about replying with a whole page of words but i know its not worth it. You're not going to change your mind on you twisted 'view'.
So, Peace.
shumixox 2 years ago
@shumixox Haha me too. It's not even worth it, they don't change their opinions. The funny thing is, people like us know both sides of the conflict in & out and Zionists/pro-Israelis can't even fathom our POV because they're so deluded, closeminded, or in denial. They argue completely on emotions, lies and insults.
We should go for bigger fish anyhow.
RubiconXing 2 years ago 6
With all due respect, Palestinian have been there are as long as Jews...for centuries. For one simple reason: there are mainly Jews (except for the bedouins) who converted to Christianity and then Islam through history. Check the Palestinian People entry in Wikipedia. The DNA and genetic studies sub-section.
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago 5
Whether many of the local Arabs who have recently adopted the sobriquet "Palestinian" have Jewish ancestry or not, the fact is they aren't now. There are two nations here with deep roots and competing claims to the land, neither nation wishes to be dominated by the other. The only feasible solution is a 2-State solution. Israeli Jews do not want to live in a binational state dominated by Arabs, we have enough collective bad experiences living as a minority in other places.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
@MikhaelMeir *begins singing* victim mentality, oh victim mentality, justifying their own genocide *ends singing*
My entire family went through the Armenian Genocide (ever heard of it, huh? Hitler mentions it. Look it up) and I don't let my "victim mentality" get in the way of moral consciousness.
Deluded and emotionally manipulated, that's what you are. It's not your fault, it's American propaganda courtesy of the AJC and mainstream American news (i.e. censorship at its finest).
RubiconXing 2 years ago 4
@RubiconXing
One thing we in Israel are not is victims. The whole point of Israel is that Jews are not and won't be victims in our own country. Victims don't defend themselves, like we do in Israel.
There is nothing good or noble about victimhood and the Jews of Israel, free Jews living in their own land and controlling their own destiny reject that label.
MikhaelMeir 1 year ago
@MarkStuartParis You must consider the fact that the Palestinians were not loyal to their immediate neighbors but identified with the Pan Arab federation that was determined to send the jews into the sea (Al bahar).
emilram 1 year ago
Why are the extreme Jews in Israel more important than Christians and Muslims in Israel??
azielzoeker19 2 years ago
Whether or not Hamas fired those 15 rockets themselves, they were fired from Hamas-controlled territory, by factions aligned with Hamas, such as Islamic Jihad. Either they fired them with Hamas's blessing, in which case Hamas is culpable for violating the ceasefire, or Hamas has no effective control over Gaza, in which case Israel obviously coudln't rely on them to enforce it and had to take matters in its own hand. Additionally, Israel couldn't weapons' smuggling through tunnels.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
Where were you when that debate was raging 6 months ago? Don't you know that your perspective has already been taken on by countless experts?Commenting to add something new is fine! Otherwise, wait for the next war on Palestine to break.
Also, there was a debate about the cruelty and human rights violations on a large scale from the IDF that has been already settled by the UN Human Rights Commission. So don't come on here in 6 months to argue their findings.
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
"Where were you when that debate was raging 6 months ago?"
I was being called up for reserve duty in the IDF.
In your small, narrow world, a "Human Rights Commission" settles everything?
Where were they when Hafez Assad shelled Hama in 1982? (He killed about 50,000 in less than a month, but he very effectively dealt with an Islamic insurgents threat.)
Sri Lanka has also acquitted itself pretty well recently in dealing with Tamil terrorists. We need to learn their methods.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
Are you one of those dual US-Israeli citizen like Rahm Emmanuel who after 60 years doesn't know where he belongs?
The pblm w guys like you is that you love to go way back in the past. But guess what? Way back Israel didn't exist. Further more, you love to beat down the UN and their Human Rights Commission only when it suits your political and hegemonic agenda. But don't forget that if it weren't for the UN, Israel would still be a figment of your imagination. Just like your sense of justice!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
No, not a US citizen. I grew up and was educated in the States when my Dad had a teaching position there and had a green card, but I never bothered to apply for US citizenship. Why would I?
Rahm Emanuel, by the way, doesn't hold Israeli citizenship, although like all Jews he is automatically eligible to apply for it.The State of Israel probably does regard him as a citizen, because his father's from here, however, he has never applied for it, and he needs to do that first.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
We don't know each other so there is no reason for me to take your word for granted. Honestly,what is the probability for a man studying in the US, from a father who has a Green Card and who both and Jewish and live in Israel not to apply for US citizenship?
As for Rahm, maybe you didn't know, although it is in the public domain, he worked for the IDF during Gulf War I! and you don't work for the IDF unless you are an Israeli citizen! That the law no matter who you are.
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
I never thought US citizenship was so important. When I lived there, I had a Green Card, the only thing I couldn't do was vote. When I was 25, I realized I'd be getting too old for my IDF service soon, so I wanted to hurry back to Israel and get that out of the way before I became an old fart. Once a Green Card holder spends more than a year out of the US, he loses residency. Oh, well. Who cares. My mom took US citizenship after my parents divorced, she got upset that I need a visa to visit.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
"As for Rahm...he worked for the IDF..and you don't work for the IDF unless you an Israel""
Wrong. Rahm participated in something called "Sar El" a volunteer org open to foreign tourists who help out in some non-combat capacities on IDF bases. It tends to attract many American Jewish retirees, also college kids on break who want to put on an army uniform and play soldier. They do stuff like serve food on the base canteen, re-stock shelves, clean tanks, etc.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
Actually, Israel did exist quite a ways back, and Jews have always been here, and way before the the concept of a "Palestinian nation" was invented. (That concept can be dated to the early 1960s.)
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
Here you go again going way back! How far back do you want to go? And before "ways back", did Israel exist too? You're going to tell me that God created the State of Israel the 7th day and then "sat on the Throne"? or was it just a desert?
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
No, but our history here as a sovereign state entity goes back more than 2,000 years. We've always been present in our country.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
ALSO, I don't want to beat down the UN, I actually donated to UNICEF after the Indian Ocean tsunami and for Myanmar cyclone relief. Some agencies of the UN actually do some good things, still. Nevertheless, the UN is not the last, final word on human rights, as you mistakenly believe. They are a politicized, non-neutral organization when it comes to these matters.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
question - did the nazi commit as many WAR CRIMES as israel
lordfec 2 years ago
look at the maps since 48 this is just slow genocide with giant PR campaign , israel is more closed that china to the press
EdugeBDroN 2 years ago 10
Are you daft man? Israel has more press by capita then any other country in the world, if you ever have the chance to go to Israel you would know in a day of stepping off the plane, that the press is all around you and nothing that goes on goes unnoticed by international press.
jhkman 2 years ago
I am talking about the foreign press , noone can film in the occupied territories and u know this very well
EdugeBDroN 2 years ago 2
So who fired them? Palestinian children who were conducting experiments in Physics and those rockets accidentally fell on Israeli settlements?
Come on- those rockets were fired by organizations which were supported by the Hamas. That's like hiring a killer and tell him to kill someone and then claim that you are innocent because you didn't kill anyone.
Shnorkle 2 years ago
Simple point is 'Israel' doesn't exist. Palestine does. They have butchered a nation in front of the world's eyes. Sending tanks into residential areas and shooting anyone they choose, its called murder. 'Israeli' attacks seem to be nice and 'defensive' when they bomb people in their own country. Hamas fights to defend their country its called 'terrorism' on so called 'Israeli' citizens.The braindead 'tv addict' westerners (most of populace) fall for the bull even though murder is on the tv.
tolla36 2 years ago 5
You know in your comment you just posted about a killer being innocent, that sounds exactly like israel
wedgedacorn102 2 years ago 2
Zero Israeli deaths from rockets during the ceasefire requires that Israel murder 1,400 Palestinians
oldjoe5 2 years ago
look, if someone is running to you with an axe, and you have a gun, would you wait until the first blow and then shoot him?its like he said-defensive prophylactic action.
doronmanor 2 years ago
you forgot to mention your the occupier and have been for a long time thats why the guy is running at you with the axe. self defence is not excuse when your the occupier and therfor the aggressor.
nasri1011 2 years ago
so we're supposed to just sit there and let our soldiers be attacked?
doronmanor 2 years ago
are they supposed to sit there and not resist occupation?
nasri1011 2 years ago 2
resistance,as proven by ghandi and martin luther king jr. can be non violent
doronmanor 2 years ago
its a slame occupation is never non-violent. Self-determination is right they have. how they choose to express that right is up to them. they need there own martin luther king and ghandi but these types of people are too few.
nasri1011 2 years ago
so your saying that if they want to attack civillians, we should let them? what about all the fatah people that hamas has slaughtered?
doronmanor 2 years ago
your very confused, i never said that.
nasri1011 2 years ago
doronmanor , hahaa, you just proof yourself being an idiot!! Reflect your feeble nonsense onto israel and see what happens......israel is the usurper here buddy.....never ever forget this!!!
Syphonaptera 2 years ago
doronmanor , israel is an intrusion...it is illegal and occupying neighbouring countries......they defend theirselves, like all countries do when attacked...israel alone is a threat in the Middle East.....stop trying to fool us with that pathetic "we are under attack" cxos israel triggers all hostility by itself........israel broke ALL ceasefires , they even break their own made up rules ......
Syphonaptera 2 years ago
your argument is based only on subjective views so i cant answer you
doronmanor 2 years ago
doronmanor , your comments are so predictable...like ALL pro zionist react ...your kind is so transparent......to dumb to think and to numb to react
Syphonaptera 2 years ago
Wow, what an accomplish. Killing Millions of poor Palestinian and stealing there land and then calling them terrorist. What kind of world is that! The innocent who doesnt even have a basic thing in life called a killer and terrorist. I wish if the truth has tongue
nezaromar 2 years ago
1000+ Palestinians dead
3 Israeli civilians dead and 10 israeli soldiers (a couple died from friendly fire)
I don't know you guys tell me who are the wrong doers?
redskins3656 2 years ago 5
What is funny about this. Ok we have all sorts of tunnels being dug between the US and Mexico for Drugs, human and goods smuggling. But these tunnels are police and immigration matters. Just stop and think for a second the world reaction if the US launched airstrikes and artillary strikes into Mexico, killing 100s of civilians, because of a tunnel! And then said "but there was a tunnel!!!" That is almost laughable. How much do we let Israel get away with?
mrfinn9 2 years ago 9
We let Israel get away with this because, Israel controls the U.S. .Israelis are every where in the U.S., from the White House, CEO's, Media. Israel invaded the U.S. and long time ago, and we didn't even see it coming. And now they want to start a "New World Order", a one world government.
redskins3656 2 years ago 4
It is not that simple. Israel represents a major US regional ally. We don't actually need them as an ally any more but we are in the habit of simply continuing aid shipments. We could stop at any time and this conflict would be over more or less over night. At the moment we keep it up but as soon as we no longer see a need for Israel this tacit support will end. It is too expensive to continue. At this rate there will be enough public outcry to insure an end to aid. The media tide is turning.
whitelabrat 2 years ago
Now Maanchild you need to cut it, grow up and think with your head like a man and not your emotions like a woman! Leave emotions for the weak. Anger is never a good consul.Comments like:'i'd kill my child', is not only totally unproductive, but above all inhuman, and against God's law if you only but knew! God is taking care of Israel! what are you doing for this world? Kill your child for a stupid flag? That's really smart! Your heart is too dark!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
hey how come the zionists arent commenting on this video? they claim on every other that hamas has broken EVERY ceasefire etc etc
chowmein911 3 years ago 10
they are too busy killing children and training another 20 Mark Regev's for spin.
ProphetVictory 2 years ago 7
If i criticize an Israeli, i'm a Jew-hater because in the popular conscience an Israeli is probably Jewish!
If i criticize a supporter of the State of Israel, i'm a Jew -hater again because it's a Jewish State!
If I criticize a supporter of either Israel or Zionism, i'm still a Jew-hater because in both cases, chances are that supporter is Jewish!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
But being a Jewish state and a democratic one is incoherent and contradictory because in a democracy people should be represented regardless of their religion or political affiliation; thus claiming that a state that is ONLY for Jews is incompatible with democracy in every way.
ShounnenBatto 3 years ago 5
It's a no win situation.But it's mostly a situation where no matter who or what is the subject of debate, Israel, Jews or Zionism,you cannot criticize!
Your attitude towards any criticism is totalitarian and bound not only to failure but an increase in the global resentment towards Jews!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
I do criticize Israel policies as well, but to by generalizing the resentment toward Jews, we would be giving the Zionists what they want. However, it seems that the same Zionists are endangering the same thing they want to protect by the continuation of their policies: resentment toward Jews. And it's a pity, for Martin Buber, though being Zionist and philosopher, wanted a two-state solution... or so I read.
ShounnenBatto 3 years ago 2
"or Martin Buber, though being Zionist and philosopher, wanted a two-state solution... or so I read. "
Actually, Martin Buber wanted a one-state solution, a binational state, for both Jews and Arabs, that would be at once a Jewish state and an Arab state, neither, and both at the same time. Clearly impractical. Buber was a nice guy, but wrong. What is needed is a two-state solution, two states, for two nations. Every Israeli government has endorsed this since 1993.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
I hardly see how the building of Israeli settlements in West Bank, the recent speech of Lieberman about Israeli Arabs, the policy of the Knesset that Israel is a Jewish State (harder to believe from the "only democracy in the Middle East") and the military incursion in Gaza Strip can make that possible.
ShounnenBatto 2 years ago
I don't hate Jews at all. But the problem is that everytime i criticize Israelis' policies and the people who support them i am called an anti-semite or Jew-hater! Everytime i criticize a political philosophy, namely zionism, i am in your eyes an anti-semite!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
Just tell them you love reading (and DO it) Viktor Frankl and Martin Buber, and they will shit their pants... though I haven't tried that defense XD
My regards.
ShounnenBatto 3 years ago
There are a couple of documentarie currently available for viewing:
"Peace Propaganda and the Promised Land"
Occupation 101
and please Google: "Exterminate all the brutes:Gaza 2009" by Noam Chomsky.
These reference provide shocking revelations of the atrocities that Israel has been committing on an innocent population. Then they wonder about the rockets!
sarwat007 3 years ago
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either it's a country for Jews, then you move there and stay there,or you leave!
But don't claim it's your country one day and then use your dual citizenships to claim other allegiances the other, forcing politicians to bankroll your murderous adventures there!
Why the hell did you bother us for a country of yours,if you don't live there?!? JUST LEAVE! Or you can work hard like Blacks in America did, to make it here your home. Stop using America!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
I don't have dual citizenship, although I was eligible to apply for US citizenship at 18 (I grew up in your country from age 8, then I attended college in the US and went back to Israel to serve in the IDF at age 25, thereby forfeiting my Green Card and my chance at US citizenship).
But anyway, there is nothing inherently wrong with dual citizenship. I know dual-citizen Canadian-Americans, British-Americans, French-Americans, Irish-Americans,etc. Many people besides Israelis hold 2 passports.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
There is nothing wrong in principal. But when American citizens hold Israeli citizenship too and clearly state that their allegiance is to Israel first, allow me to be outraged here, especially in the light of the power the Jewish/Isreali lobby has in DC that allows them to dictate our foreign policies! And that's what Rahm did in 1991: while the US was at war in the Gulf against Iraq, he went on to enlist in the IDF ... NOT in the US Army!!!!! That's a traitor in my book!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
The vast majority of American Jews do not hold Israeli citizenship. Of course Israel grants citizenship to all Jews (except in rare cases) but those American Jews who take advantage of that usually move to Israel and stay there.
Of course there are also people like my mother, Israelis who moved to the US, became naturalized Americans, and held onto their Israeli passports. By Israeli law, they are required to show their Israeli passport when traveling to and from Israel.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
See what i mean!? you guys are making such a big fuss, and when i say big fuss i mean a regional crisis and war that has repercussions on the whole world, to have your own country, and over 60 % of the world Jewish population lives outside Israel!?!?!?!?
Just like your mother and many others, you feel Israeli when it suits you, and American or French or European when it suits you! We never know where your allegiance lays! But one always ought to know which side his bread is buttered!
MarkStuartParis 2 years ago
"you guys are making such a big fuss...to have your own country, and over 60 % of the world Jewish population lives outside Israel!?!?"
That's like saying that because more people of Irish descent live outside of Ireland than live in Ireland itself, that you don't understand why they need their own country. Anyway, American Jews are a vanishing breed. Intermarriage rate is more than 50% and aside from Orthodox enclaves in the US , they are simply ignorant of Hebrew language, Jewish culture.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
"Just like your mother and many others, you feel Israeli when it suits you, and American or French or European when it suits you!"
My mother took US citizenship because she married an American after she got divorced and was paying US taxes anyway and thought she should have the right to vote. As I said, I really never seriously contemplated becoming a US citizen, so it didn't suit me. I'm an Israeli patriot who just happened to grow up in your country.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
"We never know where your allegiance lays! But one always ought to know which side his bread is buttered!
You're the kind of freak who, if you lived in Germany in the 1920s, would have been worried about the large population of Jews in Germany who had German wives, took part in German politics, culture, sport, arts and science as German patriots (and who were barely aware of their Jewishness), you would have denounced it as evidence of Jewish infiltration of "your" society.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
But then, on the other hand, when a Jew successfully assimilates into your society (like the vast majority of American Jews who are just barely aware of their Jewishness), you are the type who would denounce that as too much Jewish influence...and if a Jew wants to be Zionist and moves to Israel (a very small percentage of US Jews do so) you then start pointing to the evidence of clannish behavior.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
I explained that Rahm wasn't technically in the IDF but basically doing the equivalent of summer camp volunteering, but in any case, even if he did hold dual citizenship (something he is entitled to have, but AFAIK doesn't have) how it "treason"? Treason is when you serve in a foreign army when that army is at war with the USA. For example, during WW2, there were US citizens who enlisted in the Canadian and British forces, particularly before the US entered the war. Were they "traitors"?
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
"But when American citizens hold Israeli citizenship too and clearly state that their allegiance is to Israel first" Of the approximately 5 million Jews (or people of Jewish descent) in the US, very few also hold Israeli citizenship. Those people are usually either Israeli Jews who have moved to the US or even fewer US Jews who immigrated to Israel, obtained Israeli citizenship, stayed a few years in Israel, and then came back to the US for whatever reason.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
For the small minority of US/Israeli dual citizens, it's exactly the same as all the other people who hold US passports and passports from other countries. I have known fdual Americans/South Koreans, dual Americans/Brits, dual Americans/Canadians, etc. No big fuss. Personally, I had my opportunity to take US citizenship when I was 25, but I wanted to go to Israel, serve in the IDF and get married, so I forfeited my green card. No big deal.
MikhaelMeir 2 years ago
Also LeonidB123, there are a lot of things Jews there ought not to be proud of: they have Jewish Nazis! Can you imagine a Jew being Nazi and painting a Swastika on people's door in Israel?! They did it!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
you bring examples of deeds of single people, how about the many suicide bombers, missle shooters? look at their TV, they teach children to commit suicide in the name of resistance and fighting for their land. If they are living like beats as you said, why not use their money for good things like food and medicines instead of making weapons and keeping the war going.
LeonidB123 3 years ago
The fact that the other is bad doesn't excuse Israel for being as bad. It doesn't justify the many horrible things they do! 2 wrongs don't make a right, period! And i find that so telling that a people like the Jewish people of all people gave rise in its midst to Jewish Nazis! There is a lesson to learn here my friend! And if you don't, your loss
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
before 1948 there was no Palestinian state either.
After 60 years, what have the Palestinian did? They are in the same situation, living in refugee camps hoping to get back to their land?
They can't even get along with themselves. Look at all the fighting between Hamas and Fatah. They are killing their own men on the streets.
and for the video."rockets not fired by Hamas" so Israel shouldn't respond to them? why do they even have men not related to the government who own missles and weapons?
LeonidB123 3 years ago
First check your history, Palestine existed before 48.Second,no matter what you think of Palestinians, no matter what their internal divisions and issues, they don't deserve to be treated like beasts the way Israhell does!
Third Israel has its share of political divisions, they can never have a stable government!Who ever is chosen today to lead the country will have to sign an agreement with the devil of Lieberman!
Fourth, the point of the video is that IsraHell broke the ceasefire, period!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
Palestine is the name the Pilestinians and Romans gave for this land, long before there were arabs. These are just scattered tribes who lived in the area, (harrasing Jewish population living there for decades for no reason) which all of a sudden decided they are part of the same people. What have they done here in all that time? And Israel did not break the ceasefire...you just never heard of the misslles being fired before "solid lead" but it happened and I saw it.
LeonidB123 3 years ago
And for Israeli politics, yeah it's a problem but this is what happens with democracy sometimes. At least Israel IS a democracy and has Arabs in the Parliament speaking their opinions (sometimes even very anti their own country) while Hamas like I said hunts everyone who opposes it , hanging "traitors" on the streets. So don't just blame Israel for Gazans' poor situation...in many ways they brought it on themselves by choosing the wrong leadership.
LeonidB123 3 years ago
Yeah let's talk about those 'Arabs' that your government wanted to bar from the elections, and who have second citizen status in the country! Yeah that's a democracy alright!
By the way, are you one of those guy who has dual citizenship? one day pledges allegiance to one the US, the next day to Israel? There is a name for people like you: turncoats! If you love Israel so much why don't you go live there? Why are over 60% of world Jews not living in Israel?because it's IsraHELL!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
Where else in the world do you have paliament members supporting enemies, who deliberately target civilians, going to meet with them and give away secrets, and still getting salaries and pensions?
I do live in Israel, and I don't have dual citizenship. I never said Israel is a perfect place and there are lots of reasons for Jews not to come and live here, like many other people migrate from their homes to Europe/US/China.
LeonidB123 3 years ago
60% of Jews in the world live outside Israel!! You don't have 60% of Americans live outside the US, you don't have 60% of French live outside France....etc! So why is that? I always hear Jews telling me about their great accomplishments in Israel all that trouble for this country and still 60% live outside. Why?
You might not have dual citizenship but many American Jews do. I and many other Americans are suspicious of their allegiance, just the way you are with your Arabs in Israel!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
you're talking about a tiny group of people and a tiny country. Israel is already densely populated and is only 60 years old so the Jews who lived outside of it stayed in their countries. Palestinians too don't live only in their territories...most of Jordan are Palestinian refugees. you should be more suspicious with Arabs' allegiance in the US, because I don't remember many Jewish plance kidnappers and suicide bombers...
LeonidB123 3 years ago
Yes you saw it!?!?! Like you saw God signing you away that land to the Jewish people only! Let me tell you: not only you saw zilch, but you know zilch about history!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
I saw it every day, like I still do. There's almost not a single day without missles/mortars fired into Israel. I lived in an area which wes under attack, and I know what it's like and I guess you don't (it was Hizbollah at that time, but they are almost the same as Hamas with similar goals). And Hamas or any other terrorist group don't care who they missle kill, because many of them hit arab homes and killed arabs too.
we can continue this in private Email if you wish, youtube comments annyoing
LeonidB123 3 years ago
What you forgot is that Israel still keeps the borders sealed! fair? NO! Now Israel is afraid Hamas is going to accept their ceasefire deal so they added a new clause to kill the deal: the release of Gilad Shalit An other Jew w dual citizenship And you probably expect France to fight for his release?Jews w dual citizenships are a trouble for Jews themselves. Their allegiance in their home country raises anti-semitism all over the world! Stop asking us for a country and then you don't live there!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
Israel has an MO. Hinder, stall or sobotage any peace process because an imminent war is the only way to further their cause - that of expanding their settlements.. Hamas has wanted peace and yes they added another clause. If Hamas concede to that clause and release Shalit, dont be surprised if another is added. Another way of prolonging the peace process.
sarwat007 3 years ago
How can you say that hamas wants peace? the nearest the palestinians and israelis cames to peace was after israeli withdrew from gaza, by removing by force all the jews from there that lived there for 30 years. and hamas started continued firing rockets even after they got out. hamsa is funded by iran and won't stop until they kill all israelis.
also when hamas took the power in gaza by force they killed 500 rival palestinians in 2006.
I don't believe they want peace...
TaoTaoLaoTzu 3 years ago
They haven't withdrawn from Gaza. What planet are u on. Anyone who watches the news can see as plain as day that they are as present now as they have ever been. You dont want to believe it because believing it defeats Israel's purpose of expansion, Funded by Iran? It was approved by Israel at first. And it wasnt about the rockets. You zionists are in big trouble because nobody believes the nonsense and blatant lies you tell. Watch the news and read and then know who the aggressor is.
sarwat007 3 years ago
then i guess that the news that you read are full of lies. i was there in 2006 when the last soldier left gaza. there is no israeli presence there until the recent war and maybe a few times they entered to fight hamas but they always leave. you are welcome to go to gaza yourself and see that there are no israelis there!
TaoTaoLaoTzu 3 years ago
You people are really quite amusing. Every Israeli I have communicated with always thinks that all reports are downright lies (even from respected sources) and the only truth comes from Israel. I dont think so. And let;s also talk about WB and Lebanon. Israel continues to violate Lebanese airspace (a violation) and only in Dec 2008 crosse the lebanese border and kidnapped 2 civlilans. There were no rockets from there at the time?So what's that about.
sarwat007 3 years ago 2
there is a big difference between israeli and arab media. the israeli media have no problem reporting bad news about own goverment as in arab countries that would never happen. also most israelis watch foreign media as well.
as to lebanon, only a few days ago they fired rockets on north of israel distroying a house and wounding 3 israelis.I agree that they violate airspace for intelegence but they don't fire at lebanon at least.
I haven't heard about the kidnapping, if you can then post a link
TaoTaoLaoTzu 3 years ago
The kidnapping happened BEFORE the rockets. I'm sure you've heard of the the respected MIT Prof Noam Chomsk? He documents the real facts of the Israel-Gaza conflict. Google "Exterminate all the brutes:Gaza 2009
sarwat007 3 years ago
First IsraHell left Gaza ruined but also kept it constantly under embargo! That's legitimization for Palestinians not only Hamas to fire rockets. Then what kind of ignorant nitwit can believe that Iran is capable to smuggle arms to Gaza without the IDF, supposedly the strongest fiercest army in the world, being able to know,monitor stop such military activity?!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
The IDF as the strongest army in the world... yeah, right, they lost in Lebanon 2006 and couldn't achieve the overthrowing of Hamas recently. Furthermore, aren't the F-18s they use to carpet bomb... made in the USA?
ShounnenBatto 3 years ago 4
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LeonidB123 3 years ago
Our White House chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel preferred to join the IDF, albeit as a volunteer in a non-combat unit, when our troops were militarily engaged in the Gulf in 91! and this guy has now security clearance at the highest level of our government! Unbelievable!
Is America owned by Israel or what? I say: Let's get rid of that dead weight that is IsraHell!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
MarkStuartParis
you made a good point. I would like to add another. The dead weight is quite costly to they US which provide Israel a third of its total aid. in 2007 the total aid given to Israel was $118bn. Imagine what US cld do with that sum now in the current credit crunch. What a waste.
sarwat007 3 years ago
actualy ther agreament with israel is that all the aid that US gives must be spent on US companies so in the end all the money is going back to the US.
Israel is not allowed to purches weapons and defence systems from other contries unless the US agrees.
TaoTaoLaoTzu 3 years ago
The financial burden on the US that is IsraHell is critical indeed when we ourselves are facing a financial crunch at home. That's an other reason why the whole Zionist Israhelli adventure is doomed to failure at term.
And Tao, don't pretend to be in the arcane of government to tell us here what is the agreement btw IsraHell and the US. You want me to believe that every single penny we give them is coming back to the US?!? Do you think we are all on here just simpletons or an ignorants?!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
And do not forget that Bernie Madoff sent 50 billion dollars to Israel through his scam.
ShounnenBatto 3 years ago 5
-Add to that over $1.5 Trillon at taxpayers expense given to Israel.
What do we get? Zilch! Zero! But a big headache, a few terrorist attacks on our soil and on our men and women abroad and the most outrageous deficit. And still over 60% of the world jewish population lives outside Israel!
And the ones living in the US have a suspicious duality regarding their allegiance when it comes to choosing between the USA and Israel that makes me fume!
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
$1.5 Trillion? as of when?
and the terrorist attacks.... not because of Israel...
and yeah many Jews feel a loyalty to Israel because it's the hmm... JEWISH STATE
you are really stupid, I want you to know that
bluecheezbox 3 years ago
First,yes as i said a Jewish State that was created and never existed before. There were jewish city state in the area but never the modern jewish state the UN created in 1948.A city state is not a state in the modern sense. Wether you want to admit it or not.
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
-1948 the UN creates Israel.
-Then we throw our full fledge support behind Israel for decades fearing the elusive spread of communism in the region. (It is my belief, having lived among the different peoples of the region, that there was never a threat of people in the Gulf states to turn to communism! It was an argument on which i think the Jewish lobby skillfully played to get finance and arms, realizing that at the time everybody in Washington saw red everywhere. Remember Mc Carthy?)
MarkStuartParis 3 years ago
preemptive strike, it's legal and Israel has the right to act upon those grounds.
bluecheezbox 3 years ago