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@FireEyedMaidOfWar and @endersgame55, might I remind both of you that with philosophy and writing, there is no such thing as a "wrong" interpretation. Some may be more valid than others, but they're all quite valid. To clear something up: the Germans read Nietzsche in a very literal sense, which helped them along the way with Facism, but many others read it semi-sarcastically, as if he was making fun of the idea. He's a man of many possible interpretations, regardless of what schools may say.
"... it will always retain this character!" Thus speaks the poet of a restless and vigorous age, an age which is almost intoxicated and stupefied by its superabundance of blood and energy, in an age more evil than our own: and this is why it is necessary for us to adapt and accommodate ourselves first to the purpose of a Shakespearian play, that is, by misunderstanding it."
"... (in the Ajax, Philoctetes, CEdipus] however easy it might have been in the cases just mentioned to make the guilt the lever of the play, it was carefully avoided by the poets. In the same way the tragic poet by his images of life does not wish to set us against life. On the contrary, he exclaims: "It is the charm of charms, this exciting, changing, and dangerous existence of ours, so often gloomy and so often bathed in sun! Life is an adventure whichever side you may take in life ..."
"... against adultery, merely because adultery has resulted in the death of both of them? This would be turning poets upside down, these poets who, especially Shakespeare, are in love with the passions in themselves, and not less so with the readiness for death which they give rise to : this mood in which the heart no more clings to life than a drop of water does to the glass. It is not the guilt and its pernicious consequences which interests these poets Shakespeare as little as Sophocles ..."
"...of this delight. Did the poet feel this in another way? How royally and with how little of the knave in him does his ambitious hero run his course from the moment of his great crime! It is only from this moment that he becomes "demoniacally" attractive, and that he encourages similar natures to imitate him. There is something demoniacal here: something which is in revolt against advantage and life, in favour of a thought and an impulse. Do you think that Tristan and Isolde are warnings..."
Welles LIVES! Show me Herr Nihilist Nietzsche here on YouTube! falstaff LIVES! Shakespeare LIVES! Never lose your innocence... stay sweet, pure and springtime fresh; feel the nostalgia; be profoundly against the modern villains!
I cannot tell how glad I am that all the other poets like Homer, Shakespeare, Euripides, Schiller, Molière or Goethe lived in an age where there was no television; and I hate to admit it (and it is your fault alone Monsieur Nietzsche for destroying all illusions about artists as brave heroic individuals, which stood against the world for the sake of beauty, wisdom, truth and their art as the incarnation of all this): But Shakespeare does look on his pictures to be the same kind of coxcomb!
@endersgame55: That Monsieur Nietzsche has to be mentioned all the time is the strict will of the God Dionysus himself; but I do reject the concept of critical debate!
But I will invoke Nietzsche about the relationship between the artist and his creation (or why we have to forget about the artist, when admiring it):
"In a deep, fundamental, even terrifying way the poet and composer of Parsifal could not escape living inside and descending into the conflicts of the medieval soul, a hostile distance from all spiritual loftiness, rigour, and discipline, a form of intellectual perversity (if you will forgive the expression), any more than a pregnant woman can escape the repellent and strange aspects of pregnancy, something which, as I have said, one must forget if one wants to enjoy the child...
... We should be on our guard against that confusion which arises from psychological contiguity (to use an English word), a confusion in which even an artist can only too easily get caught up, as if he himself were what he can present, imagine, and express. In fact, the case is this: if that were what he was, he simply would not present, imagine, or express it. A Homer would not have written a poem about Achilles or a Goethe a poem about Faust...
... if Homer had been an Achilles or if Goethe had been a Faust. A complete and entire artist is for ever separated from the “real,” from what actually is. On the other hand, one can understand how he can sometimes grow weary of this eternal “unreality” and falseness of his innermost existence to the point of desperation—and that he then makes an attempt for once to reach over into what is forbidden precisely to him, into reality, in an attempt truly to be."
@endersgame55: On the contrary as this subject is the one thing Nietzsche did never mention or discuss so your objection is flat nonsense! But you can invoke Nietzsche about almost every occasion in life.
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Yeah, Nietzsche didn't talk about narcissism, he embodied it. And while you can bring him up in regards to just about any subject, you probably shouldn't. Every damn class I go to some wanker grad student wants to start spouting Nietzsche off topic.
@endersgame55: There is no avail in your puny slanders against great Nietzsche, for he is armed so strong in honesty, that they pass him by as the idle wind which I respect not; and Nietzsche has to invoked whenever I (or anyone else for that matter) see fit to do so; and I would like to encourage the students who are doomed to suffer under your insolence to strongly arm themselves with Nietzsche quotes against your attempt to corrupt their minds with lesser subjects!
@FireEyedMaidOfWar I'll gladly stay insolent in the face of the ur-fascist rantings of a century-dead madman, a man who lovingly prescribed tyranny as an antidote for democracy and self-absorption as the cure for real art.
@endersgame55: Dear me! Though Monsieur Mussolini tried to read Nietzsche (even in German I suppose as he tried to give speeches in German as well) he was an Italian Marxist and has developed Fascism as a teaching to justify his rule in Italy; and he was not a madman at all, though it takes some trust in God to ally oneself with warlike Germany as the Germans do not indulge in switching allegiance; and for your confusion of democracy with the current liberal follies I will invoke Rousseau:
"Sovereignty, for the same reason as makes it inalienable, cannot be represented; it lies essentially in the general will, and will does not admit of representation: it is either the same, or other; there is no intermediate possibility. The deputies of the people, therefore, are not and cannot be its representatives: they are merely its stewards, and can carry through no definitive acts. Every law the people has not ratified in person is null and void — is, in fact, not a law. ...
... The people of England regards itself as free; but it is grossly mistaken; it is free only during the election of members of parliament. As soon as they are elected, slavery overtakes it, and it is nothing. The use it makes of the short moments of liberty it enjoys shows indeed that it deserves to lose them."
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Mussolini was a Marxist? Representative government is a "liberal folly"? Yep, that's the kind of thinking that comes of reading Nietzsche. The madman and fascist I refer to was not Mussolini but Nietzsche himself, though we know perfectly well what 20th century fascists, of the Italian and German stripes, made of him. Nietzsche's gift to the world was a gospel of oppression, "Might makes right" dressed up in pompous language. A fine service done to the monsters of the world.
@endersgame55: Yes, before Monsieur Mussolini did set up his new party he was the supreme leader of the Italian communist party and a staunch Marxist; read a biography about him! While Nietzsche is a philosopher and no seer; and though he promises all the time the coming of such remark able figures like Zarathustra the Godless, who will defeat nihilism, or anti-Alexander (the Great) who will make the cut Gordian knot of the Greek culture whole again, he never spoke about the coming of Mussolini.
@endersgame55: Save the enigmatic warning he gives in his Zarathustra, about the coming power mongers: "Abandoned to the favor, the spirit and the madness of every generation that comes, and reinterprets all that has been as its bridge! A great potentate might arise, an artful prodigy, who with approval and disapproval could strain and constrain all the past, until it became for him a bridge, a harbinger, a herald, and a cock-crowing." - and this could refer to the modern absolute tyrannies.
@endersgame55: And since Nietzsche died in 1900, due to his successful attempt to prove his theory that the innovators, who are not mad and dare not to feign madness, try to make themselves mad in order to believe that their new teachings and insights are indeed given by the immortal Gods, he cannot be the henchman of a political movement, which was founded 20 years later. So calling Nietzsche a henchman of Mussolini is as reasonable as calling Oliver Cromwell an American.
@endersgame55: While Fascism does (and can by definition) only exist in Italy, kind Monsieur Hitler called his party the socialist worker party; while the gifts of Nietzsche are very different from your foul lies! But maybe the English translations are indeed that bad as the ones I found on the net; so try reading him in German first; and one should never ever mention the word monster when referring to Nietzsche as there lurks a fancy Nietzsche quote about monsters and fighting them as well:
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Well now, do this man's writings have practical application or not? And if they do, then what do we expect the ramifications of teaching people that the "strong" have warrant to do whatever they please to be? You're right, that's not fascism, it's something older, darker, and far more sinister, namely, the heart and soul of oppression. Nietzsche's sociopathic nonsense gives a voice to that which should remain voiceless. Bullies and tyrants open his books and find mirrors.
@endersgame55: Of course they have: There is no better council to be found but the writings of Nietzsche when it comes to question of morale, overcoming mankind, truth, fighting Christendom (and other forms of decadence), art and science; and though he does not pay much attention to politics, even in matters of state reading Nietzsche is not on vain; and I am glad that you begin to see that the forces Nietzsche speaks of are much older than that puny Italian politician movement!
@endersgame55: But your words betray you! You are a supporter of slave morale which stands against the noble morale! As your very conception of the evil man is the good one of the noble morale; and therefore the time has come to invoke Nietzsche about this most serious matter and to counter your vile lies and foul slurs once and for all! Therefore form the Genealogy of Morale:
"We see exactly the opposite with the noble man, who conceives the fundamental idea “good” in advance and spontaneously, that is, from himself and from there first creates a picture of “bad” for himself! This “bad” originating from the noble man and that “evil” arising out of the stew pot of insatiable hatred—of these the first is a later creation, an afterthought, a complementary colour; by contrast, the second is the original, the beginning, the essential act of conception in slave morality...
... although the two words “bad” and “evil” both seem opposite to the same idea of “good,” how different they are! But it is not the same idea of “good”; it is much rather a question of who the “evil man” really is, in the sense of the morality of ressentiment. The strict answer to that is as follows: simply the “good man” of the other morality, the noble man, the powerful, the ruling man, only coloured over, only reinterpreted, only seen through the poisonous eyes of ressentiment. ...
... Here there is one thing we will be the last to deny: the man who gets to know these “good men” only as enemies, knows them also as nothing but evil enemies, and the same good men who are kept within strict limits by custom, honour, habit, thankfulness, even more by mutual protection, through jealousy inter pares [among equals] and who, by contrast, demonstrate in relation to each other such resourceful consideration, self-control, refinement, loyalty, pride, and friendship— ...
... towards the outside, where the strange world, the world of foreigners, begins, these men are not much better than beasts of prey turned loose. There they enjoy freedom from all social constraints. In the wilderness they make up for the tension which a long fenced-in confinement within the peace of the community brings about. They go back to the innocent consciousness of a wild beast of prey, as joyful monsters, who perhaps walk away from a dreadful sequence of murder, arson, rape ...
... and torture with an exhilaration and spiritual equilibrium, as if they had merely pulled off a student prank, convinced that the poets now once again have something to sing about and praise for a long time to come. At the bottom of all these noble races we cannot fail to recognize the beast of prey, the blond beast splendidly roaming around in its lust for loot and victory. This hidden basis from time to time needs to be discharged: the animal must come out again, ...
... must go back into the wilderness,—Roman, Arab, German, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings—in this need they are all alike. It is the noble races which left behind the concept of the “barbarian” in all their tracks, wherever they went. A consciousness of and even a pride in this fact still reveals itself in their highest culture (for example, when Pericles says to his Athenians, in that famous Funeral Speech, “our audacity has broken a way through to every land and sea,
... putting up permanent memorials to itself for good and ill”). This “audacity” of the noble races, mad, absurd, sudden in the way it expresses itself, its unpredictability, even the improbability of its undertakings—Pericles emphatically praises the rayhumia [mental balance, freedom from anxiety] of the Athenians—their indifference to and contempt for safety, body, life, comfort, their fearsome cheerfulness and the depth of their joy in all destruction, in all the physical pleasures of ...
...of victory and cruelty—everything summed up for those who suffer from such audacity in the image of the “barbarian,” of the “evil enemy,” of something like the “Goths” or the “Vandals.”"
@endersgame55: So you see, the truth is quite hurtful but must no less to be told!
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Well, that was tiresome and long-winded, as per usual from good old Freddy. I already summarized the late lunatic's entire "philosophy" as aptly as possible: "Might makes right." A thin, hollow, childish lie, parroted by every madman and would-be tyrant in history. Asylums and prisons are filled to the brim with deranged blowhards who will lecture at length about how they've "advanced" beyond common morals. The only difference is that most madman's scribblings are thrown away.
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Or, I could summarize with a timely citation on everyone's minds of late:
"Such a principle, stripped of all disguise, is surely the mere primitive doctrine that might is right, and if this principle were established through the world, the peoples of the world would be kept in bondage of fear, and all hopes of settled peace and of security, of justice and liberty, among nations, would be ended."
Personally, I'm amused whenever would-be ubermensch go the way of Raskolnikov.
@endersgame55: As I said: There is no avail in any of your foul slanders or vile lies! But do not worry: It is what Nietzsche called the sickness of optic, which is guilty here: Being a decadent you do see things indeed so; though I cannot understand how this is possible and quoting Nietzsche will not help you out of your misery; but still he has to be quoted, lest you try to delude and corrupt a noble mind with your foul filth:
"According to the measure of energy of every age, there is also a standard that determines which virtues shall be allowed and which forbidden. The age either has the virtues of ascending life, in which case it resists the virtues of degeneration with all its deepest instincts. Or it is in itself an age of degeneration, in which case it requires the virtues of declining life,—in which case it hates everything that justifies itself, solely as being the outcome of a plenitude, ...
... or a superabundance of strength. Æsthetic is inextricably bound up with these biological principles: there is decadent æsthetic, and classical æsthetic,—“beauty in itself” is just as much a chimera as any other kind of idealism.—Within the narrow sphere of the so-called moral values, no greater antithesis could be found than that of master-morality and the morality of Christian valuations: the latter having grown out of a thoroughly morbid soil. ...
... (—The gospels present us with the same physiological types, as do the novels of Dostoiewsky), the master-morality (“Roman,” “pagan,” “classical,” “Renaissance”), on the other hand, being the symbolic speech of well-constitutedness, of ascending life, and of the Will to Power as a vital principle. Master-morality affirms just as instinctively as Christian morality denies (“God,” “Beyond,” “self-denial,”—all of them negations). The first reflects its plenitude upon things, ...
... it transfigures, it embellishes, it rationalises the world,—the latter impoverishes, bleaches, mars the value of things; it suppresses the world. “World” is a Christian term of abuse. These antithetical forms in the optics of values, are both necessary: they are different points of view which cannot be circumvented either with arguments or counter-arguments. One cannot refute Christianity: it is impossible to refute a diseased eyesight. ...
... That people should have combated pessimism as if it had been a philosophy, was the very acme of learned stupidity. The concepts “true” and “untrue” do not seem to me to have any sense in optics."
@endersgame55: A quite poor attempt after so much whining about how dangerous and destructive the philosophy of Nietzsche is to pretend that Nietzsche does amuse you! Not to mention: Nietzsche is one of the greatest scholars when it comes to the ancient Greeks; ere I take anything said against him on that department serious I will ask various questions about ancient Greece: Like how many common games were in Greece or how may war deities the Greeks had; so do not even try it.
@endersgame55: And of course the mandatory Nietzsche quote will be invoked:
"What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself. What is bad? Everything that is born of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome. Not contentedness but more power; not peace but war; not virtue but fitness (Renaissance virtue, virtu, virtue that is moraline-free). ...
... The weak and the failures shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every possible assistance. What is more harmful than any vice? Active pity for all the failures and all the weak: Christianity."
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Nietzsche's teachings are monstrous; his poor comprehension and analytical skills, on the other hand, are just funny. For example, Nietzsche claims he resents Euripides for mixing theatre with philosophy, but I expect it's actually because Euripides was a Greek whose values undermine Nietzsche's narrow interpretation of the culture. What's wrong Freddy, can't find your "noble morality" in Orestes or The Trojan Women? Is pre-Christian culture not conforming to your worldview?
@endersgame55: The only funny thing here is that a certain person talks about Greece, without knowing were Greece is or what the essence of Greek culture is; and though Euripides is a great poet he better prays the Gods for mercy for being too saucy with them; and his tragedies match the ones of Sophocles or Aeschylus; and therefore I will invoke Nietzsche about the true essence of tragic poetry (but beware: If you continue your inane babble I will call you the next time a first Christian):
"THE MORALITY OF THE STAGE. The man who imagines that the effect of Shakespeare's plays is a moral one, and that the sight of Macbeth irresistibly induces us to shun the evil of ambition, is mistaken, and he is mistaken once more if he believes that Shakespeare himself thought so. He who is truly obsessed by an ardent ambition takes delight in beholding this picture of himself; and when the hero is driven to destruction by his passion, this is the most pungent spice in the hot drink ...
In this video done by Arena, during the opening and end credits, does anybody know the song is played. To describe it, it sounds like a slow Krautrock sound with harsh guitar noises - a bit Bowie on his Low album as well.
2dogstalking 2 weeks ago
Genius of a Welles.
kurono1999 3 months ago
Wahaaaa, the French.
jaqqqqqqattack 3 months ago
Hamlet and Falstaff are in my opinion the Bard's best characters.
psychometrictestuk 4 months ago
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pissedllama 3 months ago
@psychometrictestuk Harold Bloom agrees with you.
pissedllama 3 months ago
Heh, Falstaff as a greedy, powerless, Tom Bombadil. I guess it is an English trope.
nokomarie1963 5 months ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar and @endersgame55, might I remind both of you that with philosophy and writing, there is no such thing as a "wrong" interpretation. Some may be more valid than others, but they're all quite valid. To clear something up: the Germans read Nietzsche in a very literal sense, which helped them along the way with Facism, but many others read it semi-sarcastically, as if he was making fun of the idea. He's a man of many possible interpretations, regardless of what schools may say.
buda4u 10 months ago 2
Chimes at Midnight is one of many underrated films out there. It's one of the best films of the 1960's.
rivethead1982 1 year ago
poor yorik, O knew him well
minusblame 1 year ago
"... it will always retain this character!" Thus speaks the poet of a restless and vigorous age, an age which is almost intoxicated and stupefied by its superabundance of blood and energy, in an age more evil than our own: and this is why it is necessary for us to adapt and accommodate ourselves first to the purpose of a Shakespearian play, that is, by misunderstanding it."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"... (in the Ajax, Philoctetes, CEdipus] however easy it might have been in the cases just mentioned to make the guilt the lever of the play, it was carefully avoided by the poets. In the same way the tragic poet by his images of life does not wish to set us against life. On the contrary, he exclaims: "It is the charm of charms, this exciting, changing, and dangerous existence of ours, so often gloomy and so often bathed in sun! Life is an adventure whichever side you may take in life ..."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"... against adultery, merely because adultery has resulted in the death of both of them? This would be turning poets upside down, these poets who, especially Shakespeare, are in love with the passions in themselves, and not less so with the readiness for death which they give rise to : this mood in which the heart no more clings to life than a drop of water does to the glass. It is not the guilt and its pernicious consequences which interests these poets Shakespeare as little as Sophocles ..."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"...of this delight. Did the poet feel this in another way? How royally and with how little of the knave in him does his ambitious hero run his course from the moment of his great crime! It is only from this moment that he becomes "demoniacally" attractive, and that he encourages similar natures to imitate him. There is something demoniacal here: something which is in revolt against advantage and life, in favour of a thought and an impulse. Do you think that Tristan and Isolde are warnings..."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
Welles LIVES! Show me Herr Nihilist Nietzsche here on YouTube! falstaff LIVES! Shakespeare LIVES! Never lose your innocence... stay sweet, pure and springtime fresh; feel the nostalgia; be profoundly against the modern villains!
pylgrym 1 year ago
I cannot tell how glad I am that all the other poets like Homer, Shakespeare, Euripides, Schiller, Molière or Goethe lived in an age where there was no television; and I hate to admit it (and it is your fault alone Monsieur Nietzsche for destroying all illusions about artists as brave heroic individuals, which stood against the world for the sake of beauty, wisdom, truth and their art as the incarnation of all this): But Shakespeare does look on his pictures to be the same kind of coxcomb!
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Is there some sort of law that says Nietzsche must be mentioned in any modern critical debate, regardless of subject?
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: That Monsieur Nietzsche has to be mentioned all the time is the strict will of the God Dionysus himself; but I do reject the concept of critical debate!
But I will invoke Nietzsche about the relationship between the artist and his creation (or why we have to forget about the artist, when admiring it):
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"In a deep, fundamental, even terrifying way the poet and composer of Parsifal could not escape living inside and descending into the conflicts of the medieval soul, a hostile distance from all spiritual loftiness, rigour, and discipline, a form of intellectual perversity (if you will forgive the expression), any more than a pregnant woman can escape the repellent and strange aspects of pregnancy, something which, as I have said, one must forget if one wants to enjoy the child...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... We should be on our guard against that confusion which arises from psychological contiguity (to use an English word), a confusion in which even an artist can only too easily get caught up, as if he himself were what he can present, imagine, and express. In fact, the case is this: if that were what he was, he simply would not present, imagine, or express it. A Homer would not have written a poem about Achilles or a Goethe a poem about Faust...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... if Homer had been an Achilles or if Goethe had been a Faust. A complete and entire artist is for ever separated from the “real,” from what actually is. On the other hand, one can understand how he can sometimes grow weary of this eternal “unreality” and falseness of his innermost existence to the point of desperation—and that he then makes an attempt for once to reach over into what is forbidden precisely to him, into reality, in an attempt truly to be."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Nietzsche is indispensable when discussing the subject of narcissism, but not much else.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: On the contrary as this subject is the one thing Nietzsche did never mention or discuss so your objection is flat nonsense! But you can invoke Nietzsche about almost every occasion in life.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Yeah, Nietzsche didn't talk about narcissism, he embodied it. And while you can bring him up in regards to just about any subject, you probably shouldn't. Every damn class I go to some wanker grad student wants to start spouting Nietzsche off topic.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: There is no avail in your puny slanders against great Nietzsche, for he is armed so strong in honesty, that they pass him by as the idle wind which I respect not; and Nietzsche has to invoked whenever I (or anyone else for that matter) see fit to do so; and I would like to encourage the students who are doomed to suffer under your insolence to strongly arm themselves with Nietzsche quotes against your attempt to corrupt their minds with lesser subjects!
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar I'll gladly stay insolent in the face of the ur-fascist rantings of a century-dead madman, a man who lovingly prescribed tyranny as an antidote for democracy and self-absorption as the cure for real art.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: Dear me! Though Monsieur Mussolini tried to read Nietzsche (even in German I suppose as he tried to give speeches in German as well) he was an Italian Marxist and has developed Fascism as a teaching to justify his rule in Italy; and he was not a madman at all, though it takes some trust in God to ally oneself with warlike Germany as the Germans do not indulge in switching allegiance; and for your confusion of democracy with the current liberal follies I will invoke Rousseau:
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"Sovereignty, for the same reason as makes it inalienable, cannot be represented; it lies essentially in the general will, and will does not admit of representation: it is either the same, or other; there is no intermediate possibility. The deputies of the people, therefore, are not and cannot be its representatives: they are merely its stewards, and can carry through no definitive acts. Every law the people has not ratified in person is null and void — is, in fact, not a law. ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... The people of England regards itself as free; but it is grossly mistaken; it is free only during the election of members of parliament. As soon as they are elected, slavery overtakes it, and it is nothing. The use it makes of the short moments of liberty it enjoys shows indeed that it deserves to lose them."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Mussolini was a Marxist? Representative government is a "liberal folly"? Yep, that's the kind of thinking that comes of reading Nietzsche. The madman and fascist I refer to was not Mussolini but Nietzsche himself, though we know perfectly well what 20th century fascists, of the Italian and German stripes, made of him. Nietzsche's gift to the world was a gospel of oppression, "Might makes right" dressed up in pompous language. A fine service done to the monsters of the world.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: Yes, before Monsieur Mussolini did set up his new party he was the supreme leader of the Italian communist party and a staunch Marxist; read a biography about him! While Nietzsche is a philosopher and no seer; and though he promises all the time the coming of such remark able figures like Zarathustra the Godless, who will defeat nihilism, or anti-Alexander (the Great) who will make the cut Gordian knot of the Greek culture whole again, he never spoke about the coming of Mussolini.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55: Save the enigmatic warning he gives in his Zarathustra, about the coming power mongers: "Abandoned to the favor, the spirit and the madness of every generation that comes, and reinterprets all that has been as its bridge! A great potentate might arise, an artful prodigy, who with approval and disapproval could strain and constrain all the past, until it became for him a bridge, a harbinger, a herald, and a cock-crowing." - and this could refer to the modern absolute tyrannies.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55: And since Nietzsche died in 1900, due to his successful attempt to prove his theory that the innovators, who are not mad and dare not to feign madness, try to make themselves mad in order to believe that their new teachings and insights are indeed given by the immortal Gods, he cannot be the henchman of a political movement, which was founded 20 years later. So calling Nietzsche a henchman of Mussolini is as reasonable as calling Oliver Cromwell an American.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55: While Fascism does (and can by definition) only exist in Italy, kind Monsieur Hitler called his party the socialist worker party; while the gifts of Nietzsche are very different from your foul lies! But maybe the English translations are indeed that bad as the ones I found on the net; so try reading him in German first; and one should never ever mention the word monster when referring to Nietzsche as there lurks a fancy Nietzsche quote about monsters and fighting them as well:
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Well now, do this man's writings have practical application or not? And if they do, then what do we expect the ramifications of teaching people that the "strong" have warrant to do whatever they please to be? You're right, that's not fascism, it's something older, darker, and far more sinister, namely, the heart and soul of oppression. Nietzsche's sociopathic nonsense gives a voice to that which should remain voiceless. Bullies and tyrants open his books and find mirrors.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: Of course they have: There is no better council to be found but the writings of Nietzsche when it comes to question of morale, overcoming mankind, truth, fighting Christendom (and other forms of decadence), art and science; and though he does not pay much attention to politics, even in matters of state reading Nietzsche is not on vain; and I am glad that you begin to see that the forces Nietzsche speaks of are much older than that puny Italian politician movement!
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55: But your words betray you! You are a supporter of slave morale which stands against the noble morale! As your very conception of the evil man is the good one of the noble morale; and therefore the time has come to invoke Nietzsche about this most serious matter and to counter your vile lies and foul slurs once and for all! Therefore form the Genealogy of Morale:
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"We see exactly the opposite with the noble man, who conceives the fundamental idea “good” in advance and spontaneously, that is, from himself and from there first creates a picture of “bad” for himself! This “bad” originating from the noble man and that “evil” arising out of the stew pot of insatiable hatred—of these the first is a later creation, an afterthought, a complementary colour; by contrast, the second is the original, the beginning, the essential act of conception in slave morality...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... although the two words “bad” and “evil” both seem opposite to the same idea of “good,” how different they are! But it is not the same idea of “good”; it is much rather a question of who the “evil man” really is, in the sense of the morality of ressentiment. The strict answer to that is as follows: simply the “good man” of the other morality, the noble man, the powerful, the ruling man, only coloured over, only reinterpreted, only seen through the poisonous eyes of ressentiment. ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... Here there is one thing we will be the last to deny: the man who gets to know these “good men” only as enemies, knows them also as nothing but evil enemies, and the same good men who are kept within strict limits by custom, honour, habit, thankfulness, even more by mutual protection, through jealousy inter pares [among equals] and who, by contrast, demonstrate in relation to each other such resourceful consideration, self-control, refinement, loyalty, pride, and friendship— ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... towards the outside, where the strange world, the world of foreigners, begins, these men are not much better than beasts of prey turned loose. There they enjoy freedom from all social constraints. In the wilderness they make up for the tension which a long fenced-in confinement within the peace of the community brings about. They go back to the innocent consciousness of a wild beast of prey, as joyful monsters, who perhaps walk away from a dreadful sequence of murder, arson, rape ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... and torture with an exhilaration and spiritual equilibrium, as if they had merely pulled off a student prank, convinced that the poets now once again have something to sing about and praise for a long time to come. At the bottom of all these noble races we cannot fail to recognize the beast of prey, the blond beast splendidly roaming around in its lust for loot and victory. This hidden basis from time to time needs to be discharged: the animal must come out again, ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... must go back into the wilderness,—Roman, Arab, German, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings—in this need they are all alike. It is the noble races which left behind the concept of the “barbarian” in all their tracks, wherever they went. A consciousness of and even a pride in this fact still reveals itself in their highest culture (for example, when Pericles says to his Athenians, in that famous Funeral Speech, “our audacity has broken a way through to every land and sea,
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... putting up permanent memorials to itself for good and ill”). This “audacity” of the noble races, mad, absurd, sudden in the way it expresses itself, its unpredictability, even the improbability of its undertakings—Pericles emphatically praises the rayhumia [mental balance, freedom from anxiety] of the Athenians—their indifference to and contempt for safety, body, life, comfort, their fearsome cheerfulness and the depth of their joy in all destruction, in all the physical pleasures of ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
...of victory and cruelty—everything summed up for those who suffer from such audacity in the image of the “barbarian,” of the “evil enemy,” of something like the “Goths” or the “Vandals.”"
@endersgame55: So you see, the truth is quite hurtful but must no less to be told!
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Well, that was tiresome and long-winded, as per usual from good old Freddy. I already summarized the late lunatic's entire "philosophy" as aptly as possible: "Might makes right." A thin, hollow, childish lie, parroted by every madman and would-be tyrant in history. Asylums and prisons are filled to the brim with deranged blowhards who will lecture at length about how they've "advanced" beyond common morals. The only difference is that most madman's scribblings are thrown away.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Or, I could summarize with a timely citation on everyone's minds of late:
"Such a principle, stripped of all disguise, is surely the mere primitive doctrine that might is right, and if this principle were established through the world, the peoples of the world would be kept in bondage of fear, and all hopes of settled peace and of security, of justice and liberty, among nations, would be ended."
Personally, I'm amused whenever would-be ubermensch go the way of Raskolnikov.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: As I said: There is no avail in any of your foul slanders or vile lies! But do not worry: It is what Nietzsche called the sickness of optic, which is guilty here: Being a decadent you do see things indeed so; though I cannot understand how this is possible and quoting Nietzsche will not help you out of your misery; but still he has to be quoted, lest you try to delude and corrupt a noble mind with your foul filth:
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"According to the measure of energy of every age, there is also a standard that determines which virtues shall be allowed and which forbidden. The age either has the virtues of ascending life, in which case it resists the virtues of degeneration with all its deepest instincts. Or it is in itself an age of degeneration, in which case it requires the virtues of declining life,—in which case it hates everything that justifies itself, solely as being the outcome of a plenitude, ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... or a superabundance of strength. Æsthetic is inextricably bound up with these biological principles: there is decadent æsthetic, and classical æsthetic,—“beauty in itself” is just as much a chimera as any other kind of idealism.—Within the narrow sphere of the so-called moral values, no greater antithesis could be found than that of master-morality and the morality of Christian valuations: the latter having grown out of a thoroughly morbid soil. ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... (—The gospels present us with the same physiological types, as do the novels of Dostoiewsky), the master-morality (“Roman,” “pagan,” “classical,” “Renaissance”), on the other hand, being the symbolic speech of well-constitutedness, of ascending life, and of the Will to Power as a vital principle. Master-morality affirms just as instinctively as Christian morality denies (“God,” “Beyond,” “self-denial,”—all of them negations). The first reflects its plenitude upon things, ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... it transfigures, it embellishes, it rationalises the world,—the latter impoverishes, bleaches, mars the value of things; it suppresses the world. “World” is a Christian term of abuse. These antithetical forms in the optics of values, are both necessary: they are different points of view which cannot be circumvented either with arguments or counter-arguments. One cannot refute Christianity: it is impossible to refute a diseased eyesight. ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... That people should have combated pessimism as if it had been a philosophy, was the very acme of learned stupidity. The concepts “true” and “untrue” do not seem to me to have any sense in optics."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Playground logic. Weren't any grown-ups writing philosophy in the 19th century?
I note with increasing amusement how poor of a reader Freddy was when it comes to Dostoevsky or any of his beloved Greeks.
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: A quite poor attempt after so much whining about how dangerous and destructive the philosophy of Nietzsche is to pretend that Nietzsche does amuse you! Not to mention: Nietzsche is one of the greatest scholars when it comes to the ancient Greeks; ere I take anything said against him on that department serious I will ask various questions about ancient Greece: Like how many common games were in Greece or how may war deities the Greeks had; so do not even try it.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55: And of course the mandatory Nietzsche quote will be invoked:
"What is good? Everything that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself. What is bad? Everything that is born of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome. Not contentedness but more power; not peace but war; not virtue but fitness (Renaissance virtue, virtu, virtue that is moraline-free). ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
... The weak and the failures shall perish: first principle of our love of man. And they shall even be given every possible assistance. What is more harmful than any vice? Active pity for all the failures and all the weak: Christianity."
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@FireEyedMaidOfWar Nietzsche's teachings are monstrous; his poor comprehension and analytical skills, on the other hand, are just funny. For example, Nietzsche claims he resents Euripides for mixing theatre with philosophy, but I expect it's actually because Euripides was a Greek whose values undermine Nietzsche's narrow interpretation of the culture. What's wrong Freddy, can't find your "noble morality" in Orestes or The Trojan Women? Is pre-Christian culture not conforming to your worldview?
endersgame55 1 year ago
@endersgame55: The only funny thing here is that a certain person talks about Greece, without knowing were Greece is or what the essence of Greek culture is; and though Euripides is a great poet he better prays the Gods for mercy for being too saucy with them; and his tragedies match the ones of Sophocles or Aeschylus; and therefore I will invoke Nietzsche about the true essence of tragic poetry (but beware: If you continue your inane babble I will call you the next time a first Christian):
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
"THE MORALITY OF THE STAGE. The man who imagines that the effect of Shakespeare's plays is a moral one, and that the sight of Macbeth irresistibly induces us to shun the evil of ambition, is mistaken, and he is mistaken once more if he believes that Shakespeare himself thought so. He who is truly obsessed by an ardent ambition takes delight in beholding this picture of himself; and when the hero is driven to destruction by his passion, this is the most pungent spice in the hot drink ...
FireEyedMaidOfWar 1 year ago
@endersgame55 You misunderstood - you apply significance where there was never intended to be the kind of significance you apply.
jjay75 10 months ago
@jjay75 Quoi?
endersgame55 10 months ago
Some of the saddest words ever heard: "I know thee not, old man."
McGrenzer 1 year ago
thank you.. and of course, orson was dealing with the modern world, and it's rejections of genius, and seductions of commerciality.
sclogse1 1 year ago
awesome I want to remake crimes at midnight -
edisin14 2 years ago
Another Green World by Brian Eno
pjamolol 2 years ago 2
In this video done by Arena, during the opening and end credits, does anybody know the song is played. To describe it, it sounds like a slow Krautrock sound with harsh guitar noises - a bit Bowie on his Low album as well.
Dominicokey 2 years ago
thank you for posting this awesome video, orson welles was one of a kind.
i showed this to my students who are studying shakespeare and they loved it. they wanted to watch it twice in class.
thank you my friend take care, blessed be
hanno21664 2 years ago 2