Tom Servo and Crow's Mac/PC debate

[GriffinRulesdotcom]

Has anybody found the floppy disk drive for my TRS-80?

[latinojuan]

How is Tom typing on the keyboard?

[SpinyNorman13]

Joel's eyes are so incredibly blue...

[daspaz18]

he gets internet in space?

[paladindarknite]

Deuces Steve Jobs r.i.p

[FuyuAkiWorld]

Hey, have you guys seen the tape drive for my Commodore?

[PirateOfTheInternet]

Lol, Joel is funny.

[MrDavidHarrison]

@proudravenclaw95 - No.

[gavincurtis]

I love Tom Servo's dry sarcasm.....

[donwantstobesedated]

It's true that both are great operating systems.

However, for a comparable PC, you have to pay like, 1/3 of a Mac's price.

[wwmadi]

just replace the Amiga reference with Linux and it's just as relevant

[AniRemi]

This video could be used as an analogy for the Joel vs Mike debate, too. "It's really just a matter of the individual's personal preference." X)

[msxeno]

@AniRemi :D Unless you're like me and refuse to take sides.

[AniRemi]

Personal preference wins for me. I prefer and use a Mac, but PC has its plusses.

[SilentBlues23]

I remember just before the internet came out, my older brothers had a Commodore Amiga. I think one of them took it with them. Now, its all about the internet.

[guns4hire2000]

Was this back in the day where Kevin Murphy was trying to imitate J. Elvis Weinstein's voice before he just settled on his own?

[Deadmansparty2002]

Funny stuff.

[braindamagehurts44]

anyone wonder how servo types with his flappy arms?

[PoisonInc]

I have this debate pretty much every day.

[Zach121k]

crow runs on unix

[sadeviant]

anyone who dislikes this is an operating system white knight and should kill themselves

[davincent98]

0:24 "30 seconds to commercial sign."

1:26 "commercial sign"

Well more than a minute.

[mcfortner911]

I used to use the part about the Amiga mouse as the startup sound for my Amiga 500....

[lonelysith66]

This is so like our lives, except we're not robots!

LOL XD

[ReverendSyn]

Joel's a little unusually squirrely today, isnt he?

[mobius1aic]

LOL Amiga

[Akhiloth]

Things haven't changed a bit.

[megamarsvin]

Joel showing he's way ahead of the bots and using an Amiga ^^

[pytko3]

I wish I could talk to Crow when i call Tech. Support.

[TheBadShaman]

I agree with Joel. Both interfaces are great, its just the individuals personal preference. I grew up with windows and frankly, I've NEVER, and I mean NEVER encountered the crap they put on those mac commercials.

Hell, I'm using Windows vista right now, and I really don't see a problem at all.

Mac is cool and all, but I don't want to be a typical teenager with a mac, I want what I believe is better.

[sil3ntxOblivion]

What PC users who they are is not necessarily that everyone loves Windows or Microsoft itself, but we really hate with a fiery passion Mac and other Apple products (excluding the ipod). When can we have a compromise?

[gamerguy980]

@KyleGibbons91 and that was the day skynet went online...

[MST3K1986]

It's hilarious, and kind of sad, how little the Mac vs PC debate has changed in almost two decades.

[alexiaNBC]

@MST3K1986 Yeah now its expanded to wars between Microsoft and Google and the three front conflict between Blackberry, Iphone and Droid. These user interface wars just keep going on and growing

[TheHelldragon]

Good ol' piece of shit DOS!

[Jacornonthecob]

Why is it that I always find myself agreeing with Crow?

[Devilock79]

@ZEROEVILDARKCOOL

There's a key on your keyboards called 'CAPS LOCK'. If you press it once it magically makes you look like less of a dickhead than you do now. You should give it a shot sometime.

[ZEROEVILDARKCOOL]

@Devilock79 WOW. JOEL WAS RIGHT. 1:10 "YOU CAN HAVE ALOT OF FUN WITH PEOPLE HOPELESS MIRED IN COMPUTER NUANCE". JOEL JUST TROLL'D CROW AND TOM. 

[pretorious700]

@ZEROEVILDARKCOOL all caps gives me a headache

[ZEROEVILDARKCOOL]

Respond to this video... 

[ZEROEVILDARKCOOL]

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[SniperStorm7]

The 9 people who hate this must have a Amiga

[couchfort]

Anybody else looking forward to the Amigaone X1000? A CHALLENGER APPEARS!

[janmansde3dede]

Why the fuck hated so many people the Amiga back then ?

[ktlaha]

Joel's head popping up and his big eyes and bed-head hair--so cute, and I'll tell you that for free!

[luridplanet]

Actually, Amigas are still in use - a great system

[wrongheadedfool]

Joel's delivery in this clip is really unusual for him. It's hilarious!

[YesWeCantaloupe]

Nothing. Has. Changed.

[SonicTheJackrabbit]

Tom should have installed Windows 3.1 on his comp. LOL.

[echosmyron]

@SonicTheJackrabbit He may have, but WordPerfect didn't release a Windows version until after this episode aired.

[MoonBurgle2]

@echosmyron oh you guys are hurtin' me wit yer jargon. Too good.

[SonicTheJackrabbit]

@echosmyron

Whoops, I double checked, and this episode is actually from 1991. Windows 3.1 didn't come out until a year later. :P

[DrKaiju2000]

To me it dosent matter wheater its MAC or PC as long as i get Internet Explorer i really dont care.

[TBustah]

@DrKaiju2000 I know, right?

People hate on IE, but it just works for me... for the most part.

Honestly, I haven't had as much trouble with Firefox (to be fair, though, that's probably only because I hardly use it), but I just can't get used to that interface.

[hossrex]

Literally 20 years later, and people are having this EXACT same debate, making these exact same points.

I agree with Joel. The joke is on whomever engages in the "debate".

[D3vinSawhog]

I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC....

This would have been a good commercial

[Turbosoaker41]

didn't there used to be a joke about "Compaq" and/or Tom saying "The Byrne and Hynes's Families are hotrodding your tail." joking about well...let's just say "I'm different!"

MAKE THE CONNECTIONS AND THAT'LL BE THE LAST MISTAKE OF THE ASS YOU MAKE OUTTA ME!!

[Cassavius]

OSX just grinds to halt when I do larger layouts in InDesign. Really annoying.

[starman15317]

"AMIGA? PLEASE!" haha

[AL52Dragon]

Gah! Joel's close-up is both great and somewhat scary.

[sunderwoodbio]

@AL52Dragon I know, you can see the color of his eyes really well...

[nelsonr12]

I like both, but it mostly depends on the computers operating system

[Wyatt19961212]

Go PC

[Crazy56U]

I have a Compaq myself.

[hootyhaha]

My next computer is going to be an HP.. same family as Compaq. But I use an Apple at work. I can use both platforms. I am also entertained with PC and MAC fanatics. As Joel pointed out it's fun having fun with their hopeless debates.

[M0VIES4U2]

0:57 What else can I say?

[KoopaKonartist]

Crow shouls have joked about the Pinwheel, that might have steamed Servo's brocoli.

But in all seriousness, my house has both systems, mine being the Mac and my brother's being a PC, and both get the job done. Sure the PC is more complicated, but it pays to be smart in that field. Macs are easier, but alas, I get a brick thrown at my window every week.

I'm a Mac, and I have a PC too. :3

[hatonbackward]

i don't now if the pinwheel existed in '91

[zstardust838]

LOL um. . . perhaps the origin of the Mac vs PC TV ads??

[AutumnDevi]

Ugh, i remember going to Best Buy to get my laptop and having a Geek Squad member completely ignore everything I was saying and trying to sell me a mac. Seriously, he was talking to me like I was an idiot. I'm pretty sure he just saw a blonde girl and thought "Ooh, a bimbo with daddy's bank account who's willing to pay 1200 for a pretty machine!" I friggin love my HP.

[pretorious700]

@AutumnDevi You must have gotten the one HP worth a crap.

[AutumnDevi]

@pretorious700 Actually, I do a lot of video editing and computer drafting. No complaints so far. I'll admit, having a kickass external hard drive reaalllly helps.

[JamesOhGoodie]

@AutumnDevi At least those carrying case Mac minis weren't still around when you went in. I remember SO MANY Geek Squad guys trying to sell those to computer literate girls and getting their asses handed to them.

[Klopy1414]

Hahaha, i love this show. It was filmed not too far from where i live here in minnesota. One of these days i wanna go see if the set is still up or not. Doubt it but its worth a shot, huh?

[SeoulMan]

P.O. Box 5325 Hopkins, MN 55343

[Viz731]

i liked joel...i never notist how pretty his eyes were...oh i remember the christmas special with mike...it show gypsy give mike a sweater and she said it took her a wile..it said JO-IKE  (joel mike) lol

[SoylentGreeeen]

Especially amusing because that's how fanfiction writers refer to the slash pairing Joel/Mike.

[Viz731]

Its the year three thousand ... and Tom Servo has a 1990s computer ... this is pretty much like an astronaut trying to get to the moon in a Chinese Rocket Chair ... heh heh this show is so funny and cheesy

[echosmyron]

Actually the "3000" in the title is arbitrary. The show takes place "in the not-too-distant future: next Sunday, A.D."

[UberMan5000]

What's that magazine Crow's reading?

[echosmyron]

Boy, good question -- I can't tell at all. EVP? EMI? IMR?

[MazeleyFanClub]

@echosmyron LOL, it's BYTE Magazine

[jjsmallbridge]

@echosmyron It's Byte, launched in 1975 , bought by McGraw-Hill in 1983 and killed off by owner CMP Media shortly after it acquired the title from McGraw-Hill in 1998.

[AshleyMarkPomeroy]

@UberMan5000 It's Byte, isn't it?

[DoverBroadcasting]

@UberMan5000 BYTE - The Small Systems Journal.

[HWGuyEG]

Sounds like someone needs to put windows on their dos.

CLI is just too much for the nonleet.

Also... what ever happened to macs being made from good hardware, nowadays Apple uses the same cheap stuff found in every other brand, but they charge less.

[sanchezdavidr]

ha ha, funny how people still debate these two systems and they are now pretty much the same.

[Tanyableu]

@sanchezdavidr tru, though as i understand it, macs get fewer viruses...in exchange, fewer games

[GodModeGaming]

@Tanyableu They get fewer viruses because they have a much smaller percentage of the OS field. Therefore virus writers see Windows at nearly 90% of the OS field and write much more viruses for Windows.

[Tanyableu]

OS=Operating Systems? So, then, these roles could easily have been reversed, rt?

[Freebleeper]

Where's the invention exchange piece? RATS!

[zapproowsdower]

damn, the comedy aside, it's fascinating to see people debating what used to be state-of-the-art technology

[CerealKiller2k4]

I can't stand the older MST3K's ... Mike Nelson has a much better personality then Joel.

Joel is just unfunny to me.

Not to mention Bill Corbett and Kevin Murphy as Crow and Tom were the greatest in my opinion.

[echosmyron]

troll!

[Freebleeper]

Agree on the cereal comment!

[coprographia]

Speaking of awful, pointless debates...

[cj397]

Joel was pretty horrible.

[xlanoyax]

they really oughta use the bots for a mac v pc commercial.

[CaptMARNEY]

Joel has such perty eyes.

[ilikethecoke]

Did Crow lose an arm at the end?

[amadeusyaoi]

Crow totally seems like he'd be a DOS user! ^-^

[FatherTime89]

Is it just me or does Joel have different colored eyes?

[punksweetss]

this has to be over 15 years old, but it still holds up to today

[MaxCovington791]

It's so weird that I came across this. I'm going to school for a degree in computer information technology. I"m taking my second class which is on the basics of operating systems and I'm in the process of learning about command line interface, so alot of this stuff actually makes sense to me.

[creepingnet]

And he's trying to use WordPerfect 5.1, which really dates this. Back in the days of Windows 3.1 (though WP51 came a bit before)

[JAVAGOIL]

I'm with Crow, I love my PC.

[shirlysmelz]

"Stupid Clones!!!"  LOL

[KoopaKonartist]

Joel's right. A computer is great based on the user's personal preference.

[echosmyron]

Joel is ALWAYS RIGHT.

[Imaeaturface]

lol Their all so great. I love Joel, Crow, and Tom.

[mattstan]

Joel makes this sketch. So great.

[Loopydoo2]

What song is this from? It's driving me nuts!

[Loopydoo2]

Never mind, it was playing in a different window when I unmuted, lol.

[moosemaimer]

If you think DOS is bad, try writing ACLs on the Cisco CLI.

[GamingGeekQuest]

lol Tom must be using DOS.

Seems to mae sense since this was made at the time when Windows are relativy new in the market.

[Neoatg]

Amiga was better then anything else out at the tim.e Nice to see them at least mention them. Outside video production not many even knew about Amiga.

[joecassara]

I always loved the Amiga reference here. I didn't surprise me that the MST3K team knew what an Amiga was.

[yuothineyesasian]

Absolutely hilarious, even though it's outdated as hell.

[ToobZombie]

you can get a mac toolbar on a pc and for me it really eliminated the need for a mac.

[Laserp0rn]

Linux: We thought Windows needed to still require at least a 100+ IQ.

Also, I think John Hodgman would make a pretty good Crow.

[dragonair907]

what happened to mike?!

[lizziebabes90]

This was before Mike.

[dragonair907]

ah.

[RonStill1]

Joel looks totally different up close.

[FlamingoKicker]

What's gonna happen to Apple when Steve Jobs dies?

[c3section]

It means I can actually afford a Mac for once!

[ToobZombie]

its gonna burn.

[FlamingoKicker]

animated clown juggling? LOL

[couchfort]

This gives me Vietnam flashbacks to my DOS days.

But I'd take that over a Mac any day :)

[youcutmelegoff]

i think macs are great but they have what 5 games? I need my games so windows it is *sigh*

[couchfort]

Ehhhh, they look pleasant with the bubbly OS and all, but then you sit with it, and it hurts.

A lot.

[FritzIsMetal]

then put windows on a mac...problem solved

[Makiotio]

I think because he's not wearing his glasses and his eyes are wide open.

They're all...out of focus.

[Makiotio]

I'm trying to remember but I think this is reflective of the actors Trace and Kevin who both had their preferences.

In the book it mentions that Kevin begged for Macs in the office.

[squiggledog]

That is true, with those old PCs if the computer crashed you would have to reprogram it, and you had to remember all those punction marks and words.

[e33laf]

This would be the best "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercial ever! Then again what commercial wouldn't be better with a little bit of Servo and Crow.

Is it just me who thinks that Joel popping up in the foreground with HUGE, wide eyes is sort of freaky?

[theZodiacDigital]

this just goes to show that mac or pc doesnt really matter, they both work well. the only real losers are the people who spend time endlessly fellate themselves over the right choice of OS. which tend to be mac users by the way, but there are some pc users as well.

[Dojan5]

Why so? I'm both a Mac and PC user, it just happens to be so that Mac's are cheaper. They might not be better hardware wise, but Mac OS is more reliable than Windows. Windows on the other hand has more third party software. I prefer my Mac. Saying that Mac users are the one "endlessly fellating themselves" is just, stupid. You do realize that? PC users only talk about gaming when it comes to anti Mac. That and replacing hardware.

[theZodiacDigital]

haha, remember i said the only real losers were the ones who made a big deal out of it?

and remember how i said they tended to be mac users?

thanks for serving as an example, sir.

[Dojan5]

Yeah, and I use both. You can't say we're losers just because we use another computer. It is like saying "Ha ha! Loser, your shirt is green!".

C'mon, only idiots says like that.

[theZodiacDigital]

if you paid close enough attention, which you clearly did not, im not making fun of you for "using another computer". i clearly said that they are both fine. who i was calling losers were people who made it into a much bigger deal than what it was, who just for whatever reasons youd like, ive noticed tend to be mac users. most people who own a pc dont go "omg pc is so much better!" nearly as much as mac users like to. im sure they exist but thats why i used words like "tend" and "most"

[rosinlr]

Gosh, smug, aren't we?

[theZodiacDigital]

gosh i dont are we?

[Mattteus]

crap, I was all set to watch the invention exchange!

[FlippyKrueger]

What episode was this?

[MeiRyoko]

Best PC vs Mac commercial EVER! XD

[SoftBank47]

"Hey, has anybody seen the mouse to my Amiga?" LOLOLOLOLOL.

[galaxyguy159]

MACS SUCK!!

[spencerguy36]

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[spencerguy36]

that's a lot of truth!

well played sir, you win.

[Voodooray007]

hey crow is missing a arm on 1:36

[KKtrin]

Hah, it's still holding on to the counter but it's not attached to his shoulder. xD

[TheHanzoMK1]

ooooo backslash ye?

[ekkostar]

I used to like Macintosh before it became a hipster machine. It's about looks, not operating power these days.

[spencerguy36]

so was that before or after apple nearly went bankrupt? because i remember the iMac being incredibly popular and aesthetically pleasing when it was first introduced.

[Kinemacolour]

This would have been a couple of years before.

[powerofktulu]

lol so u dont use a mac becuase you dont want to be associated with the douchebags who use them?

[gthreek]

That's what Servo gets for trying to use WordPerfect.

[Tassadarky]

Tom: I'm a Mac.

Crow: And I'm a PC.

I'd pay to watch that commercial! ^_^

[PunBB]

Me too!

[sparkkle2]

Windows ! :P.... I like complicated things.

[Watcher3223]

Windows is not THAT complicated.

Besides, it sounds like Servo was using DOS.

And I hope Joel found his mouse for his Amiga (I know he's joking); they're cool computers with a very tightly written OS.

[SnarkyBarnacle]

This is probably the widest Joel's eyes have ever been in mst3k history. He doesn't look sleepy at all hahaha.

[kranktank]

I wonder what OS Crow and Tom Servo run on

:D

[niterain99]

Yeah! Servo's a mac man!

[DarkestFreedom01]

no offence, but i like mike ALOT better than joel.

[alexvlk]

Joel's stoner-like manerisms are just so funny. I like the fact that the show isn't all that serious, you know, or well made? Mike's good, don't get me wrong.

[33399966]

lol

[skinnerburgers]

Fact: Computers are evil and will break when you least suspe--