The embryo is at most a week old. It doesn't even exist as a precursor to human form yet because the stem cells haven't differentiated. Why must this woman make it seem like taking apart a newborn all-American baby?
I can see where she is coming from- destroying an embryo is a form of murder but regardless of her feelings or for anybody else who is pro-life there are still countless abortions taking place everyday, all over the world. It's out of our control so why don't we just use those stem-cells instead of them going to waste?
Most of you commenters are cruel bastards and really dim and retarded idiots. And it's the interviewer who is stupid if anyone is, he had to have it repeated to him again what she said.
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes no, putting blind ignorant beliefs ahead of research that will benefit all of man kind is cruel, dim, retarded and idiotic, much like your UsEr NaMe. i don't know what sarah palin is LESS qualified for, the US presidency, or speaking on behalf of cutting edge scientific research.
@Bral11 Mock an embryo being slaughtered all you like. Mock it. I hope someone murders you in your sleep your sleep tonight and he can make fun of you and refer to me. Your head is vacant, you have no brains and no ethics. You don't deserve to live, kill yourself.
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes Thank you for that insightful lesson in ethics and morality! You have shown me the error of my ways and I have now unchained the embryos off the wall in my cellar and have set them free. I named one "Twilight" and told him to go to you, I know how much you like vampires. x
@Bral11 I do like vampires. =) But you are really misguided if you really think there are no questions over killing embryos, or any other animal/developing animal.
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes It can potentially save a lot of lives. There should be no questions they arent concious beings! If i ever got a life threatening disease i really hope a cure is avaliable and if they can do that through embryos then thats fine. I hope that for you aswell :)
what patheic losers and moronic nutcases these evangelical christians are! they will not "hurt" a embryo, but they are willing to go to war at the drop of a hat and drop bombs on other nations, and kill millions upoin millions! They are not pro-life, they are pro-death! they people are really demons...you can see the evil that surrounds them
@easytoremember95 They're not even babies yes, just embryos. Stem cell research could and very likely will lead to saving countless lives, and even finding cures for many diseases, birth defects, etc.
@easytoremember95 It's an odd scenario, really: Have cures for all sorts of things, let crippled people walk again, like wounded soldiers and what not.. While at the same time have some embryos never develop and be born.
So you have to ask yourself if it's better to have every human be born, if possible, and have people suffering with being handicapped, having diseases, etc...or have some humans not be born and immensely improve the standard of living for us and future generations.
@easytoremember95 Stem cell research does not kill babies. When you hear the terminology you form a picture in your mind, but it's not accurate. Scientists need a grouping of about 150 cells (the common house fly has 10,000 cells in it's brain). If you're concerned about human life, think about children with spinal cord injuries or people with Parkinsons disease that stem cell research could help. IVF eggs are thrown away if not used. Are you ok with throwing that "life" away?
@tra1215 der not fertilized do are dey...i dont give a shit how cells a fly has...i hear stem cell research from the placenta or something works ...why dont dey just do dat and make abortion illegal
@easytoremember95 Yes, the IVF eggs are indeed fertilized. I would have mentioned that before if I'd had room. My point is that they will be tossed out if science does not use them to help people. Why would you be ok with throwing them away? Also, the way you speak makes you sound like a child. It's hard to take you seriously. Just throwing that out there.
@tra1215 Its obvious that he is 16 yo. And the sad fact is that much of the 16 year old kids are smarter than Palin. [no speakin' of the guy you just quoted]
@easytoremember95 Putting aside the issue of abortion, stem cells come from fertilized eggs, the cells of which have not yet differentiated, not from aborted fetuses.
@FarhanC99 Adult stem cell research is promising to hold the most potential for the future of medicine. But even embryonic stem cells can be harvested without destroying the embryo. Michael J Fox has made the argument that we have been throwing away embryos for over 20 years and why not use them for research? It is a fair argument. I think what Sarah is talking about here is the creation of embryos for the specific purpose of using them for research which creates a new environment
@FarhanC99 It's good to know that a greater ethic does not need be compromised in reaching out in finding better science. The point of a higher more civilized society being realized benefits everyone.
Palins answer was not only correct but up to date on the science. Also the additional point that because she has a personal opinon, the public has a right to know it on important policy questions if she is to hold office representing the people. Charlie was hedging the truth a bit or was misinformed by his sources
This ignorant clown knows as much about stem cells as a whore knows about controversial hedge funds..Now all of you fuck-off now...leave time for the adults.Gemma
Wow. It's 2011. And it makes me so sad that our country is still being controlled by superstitious morons who oppose science. It's like we are living in the middle ages. We try to make progress and make new scientific discoveries, but religion always gets in the way.
I am not sure where we were but it was an open area with very few houses and I pulled the car up, as I wanted to go to the toilet. When I came back to the car and sat down Sarah Palin said "You've had your fun, now let me have mine. She then undid my trousers and began to fondle my penis. Then she masturbated me and undid his own trousers and began to masturbate herself. After a while he leant over and began to suck my penis with her mouth. She did this till I ejaculated.
It always amazes me when you see such important political figures in the US quite openly and proudly slow the progress of medical science and not only get away with it but in many cases are celebrated for it.
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@aguilerafanaz Adult skin cell is actually correct. Research on regressing skin cells in to their embryonic state has shown promise. The attempt to create a stem cell from skin shows potential for creating cells that may be more stable in healing. The goal is to find the best science. Even embryonic cells can be used without destroying the embryo from which they are extracted.
@cinder544 What reason does our government have to get involved in that? The Iranian Constitution declares the state religion as Islam and does not guarantee freedom of religion. The pastor knew what risks were involved. Just because another government is doing something we do not approve of does not mean our government should intervene.
P.S. The US is not a Christian nation, it is a nation of all faiths.
@Wraithen16 Interesting I think that the same US 'protestations' and 'objections' to the way Iran clearly acts to suppress other religions is not equally as vehement when it comes to a country with yet more draconian laws such as Saudi Arabia...
Its against the law to even 'be in possession' of a bible in Saudi Arabia...
So I'll take the US's protestations on these matters seriously when they apply such across the board...starting with inside the USA!
Of course, let's not use a tool science has given us because you don't think your God would like it. Because of this opinion, other people who do not believe in your god have to die as a result of said policy.
@RA9U1 It's ok, I've figured out Satan's plan. He's all "Hey, come with me, you guys, I've got really cool stuff we can do!", but in the end I know he just wants to torture us all in Hell. So I devised a little plan of my own; I'm gonna sign up for his army, then as soon as we get into Hell, I'm gonna destroy it from the inside because I'm just so super-badass that way.
Wish me luck or God-speed or whatever you Christians do.
fuck education, fuck science fuck the world. Live fore god.
Dont work, dont heal, dont eat.
If god wants us to work, he will have us work, if god wants us to eat he will put food in our mouths. If god wants sick people to be healed, he will to it himself. Dont bother with anything in life at all, its up to god.
@OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp Well i think its because they probably didnt realise you were joking its kinda sad that that comment looks like something someoone would actually say but mainly funny XP
i completly disagree with her but i don't think her argument is completly stupid and unsensible. i think people go overboard when saying how stupid she is (even if she's obviously not very bright)
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73% of the people in the USA are white. Only 13% of the people in the USA are black. Only half of those 13% black people is a woman. A big part of that little 7% group is too young or too old to even get pregnant. How can the little group that's left be responsible for most abortions in the USA? Whoever said that is an idiot. And sounds racist (yeah i said it).
@Troublesome2008 That depends if the figures are correct, if they are then The person who stated this is just stating a fact, do we really live in a world where when someone states a fact based on solid statistics and just because they portray a negative stereotype, they can be labeled a racist. If they aren't then you're right.
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"And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community. If the Democrats want votes, they ought to oppose abortion so the black population increases."
Uh oh, racist alert!
Because more 'black' people means more democratic votes, right? And you've got data to support all those claims?
And it's murder when a baby is conceived and then aborted, except under those circumstances? Or do those circumstances make murder okay? Rape children can get adopted, you know?
@ScabeiathraxUK YOu abort every day when you make and omelet. Every ejaculation doesn't deserve a name. Women naturally abort many times in their life, are women serial killers ? Lastly the majority of stem cell research uses after birth, stem cells derived from other tissues (like fat) and the politicians in the states ban ALL of it. Whatever Japan, most of Europe and Canada will pick up the slack and get the new High tech jobs for you. Its not like the US economy needs a boost or anything.
Now one of the dumbest human beings who has ever walked the earth is about to run for our nations highest office. The cross bow was outlaws by the pope because it desecrated the cross. What do you think this idiot is going to outlaw because of her warped interpretation of God?!?
@apacheaviator1 you call her dumb compare her to the pope then say her twisted view will cause her to ban something relating to the way god acts? i can't follow this dude.
@TheChosenBlox when holding political office, such as the office of president, you cant have that power and responsibility and be so ignorant of the times, by that i mean modern times not the fucking middle ages, which is where she is stuck in
@apacheaviator1 The medieval Knight was the most powerful and effective warrior and said to be worth 10 foot soldiers, who were regarded with the lowest esteem and considered expendable. The crossbow could be used by an untrained soldier to injure or kill a knight by penetrating their plate Armour. In fact,
in 1139 Pope Innocent II decided that the crossbow was too inhuman. They required no skill and had no honor. This resulted in the crossbow being outlawed.
European scientists have just grown a human trachea in a lab using stem cells. Had the moron GW Bush not been told that God doesn't like stem cell research it may have been American scientist who saved this mans life. The roman formula for concrete was lost for 600 years during the dark ages.
@apacheaviator1 If Muslims raiders hadn't destroyed the Library of Alexandria, we'd have been a space faring race by 1,000 AD. Oppenheimer was one of the first men to witness the rediscovering of nuclear weapons, the unenlightened passed-down recordings of which were preserved in the Bhagavad Gita. Who knows how many tens of thousands of years that scientific knowledge had been lost for.
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@apacheaviator1 Since you have 63 thumbs up maybe I'm wrong but that was done with adult stem cells wasn't it? And Bush was against embryonic stem cells as is mentioned in the video. Maybe I am not understanding the science.
My personal opinion is that stem cell research and abortions should be legal. I have no scientific evidence why, I have no religious shit to blame. I just know that it seems to me that we're getting into other people's business by saying no you can't do that, like you know what's best for them. It's the same concept as gay marriage, some people are so against it, but ask them what it has to do with their day to day lives and you'll find out it doesn't change a fucking thing.
No, abortion is the termination of pregnancy before the embryo or fetus is viable, regardless of the termination's nature. Miscarriages fall under this.
What you are talking about is abortus provocatus or induced abortion.
You aren't even up to date on medical terminology, you've lost this already.
I already did. You don't even know miscarriages are abortions in medical terminology, so you spew bullshit like "abortions are never natural". That is pure undiluted ignorance on your part.
One would think so, but apparently there are morons out there stating things like "no abortion is natural", when in fact over half of pregnancies are terminated by spontaneous abortions, also known as miscarriages. Morons like you. Let me quote you again.
"Abortion is not natural in any way, shape, or form." - Moron
I believe that that is a much more nuanced issue than you present it to be. Early abortion, yes. Late term abortion should perhaps be judged on a case by case basis.
I doubt you're open-minded enough to reconsider your positions, but if I were you I would be wary of anything involving reproductive biology and "simple." Science isn't simple, and if you bothered to study biology you would know that embryos do not form until a couple weeks after sex, and that embryos are not babies. They are small masses of cells. In fact the majority of abortions don't even involve a foetus.
>>So then, the question becomes, do you support the right of a mother to murder her child?
It isn't a child. Anti-abortion rhetoric loads language to build an emotional case for itself, which is a quick way to tell that it has none. An embryo and a foetus are not babies. They are not children. They are pre-life.
However, to answer your question: yes, a mother has a right to choose whether she will conceive. It is her body, and a baby shouldn't be forced upon unwanting parents.
": yes, a mother has a right to choose whether she will conceive. It is her body, and a baby shouldn't be forced upon unwanting parents."
- She DOES have the right to choose whether she will conceive. Maybe she should use birth control pills or a condom?
- A baby shouldn't be forced upon unwilling parents? Who's forcing the baby upon them? They are the ones who had sex without a condom or birth control! It's their child, a life they made willfully.
Which is meaninglessly broad. A skin cell is human life. A kidney is human life. That's not what's important. It matters that it isn't a baby, or a child, but a pre-life.
>>Maybe she should use birth control pills or a condom?
Or an abortion. Medicine isn't about punishing people with your sense of justice.
>>It's their child, a life they made willfully.
If they wish to abort it, they do not want it. A child should grow up in a home that wants it.
>>They are the ones who had sex without a condom or birth control!
Pregnancy can happen due to burst condoms, ineffectively administered birth control, rape, and sheer negligence. It doesn't change the fact that the baby would not be wanted, and probably couldn't be supported. By restraining parents this way you encourage crime because children are raised in too poor of households, without the love and support they need. It is our responsibility to help people this way.
@kDest The Republican position is to oppose abortion in all cases except rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened.
Unwanted children can get adopted, you know.
And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community. If the Democrats want votes, they ought to oppose abortion so the black population increases.
>>The Republican position is to oppose abortion in all cases except rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened
Which is a dogmatic position that only serves a political agenda. Women should have full control over their bodies. Denying them this fundamental right simply causes them to have children they do not want, and it causes them to injure themselves having illegal abortions. Two severe social negatives born from political dogma.
What is wrong with you that you would want to put MORE children through the state adoption circuit? Isn't life hard enough for those children already in constant limbo? Now you want MORE children who are constantly shuffling homes, or living on the streets. What will it take for you to acknowledge that unwanted children only harm society overall because they are neglected that most basic and necessary foundation of childhood?
>>And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community
What I think is, you have no personal opinion on abortion. You just have a feeling, and some republican talking points seeped into your subconscious. Do yourself a favor and deeply think about the topic. Research it from reliable, non-political sources. Talk to people. Right now you are hovering without a thought-out position. That is why you would repeat a talking point about black babies which is silly.
It never ceases to amaze me how it always seems to be the Christians who are pro life for embryos, but have no trouble killing animals just for the fun of it or executing adult thinking humans.
I believe the bible says. "Thou Shalt not KILL."
I'm sure some Christian will come on and say, "that's not what it means."
After all, without performing mental gymastics in interpreting the bible, No sane person could possibly believe any of that superstitious clap-trap that passes for divine writ.
@HonestMan395 Congratulations. You just uncovered the greatest problem with the Protestant Reformation: any so-called Christian thinking he has the right to interpret the Bible.
Within the context of all Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, it is clear that God is referring to fellow man when He commands us "Thou shalt not kill." He even makes apparent in Genesis that man is above the animals.
Mental gymnastics? Maybe your brain is just out of shape.
@OneCatholic quote: "Congratulations. You just uncovered the greatest problem with the Protestant Reformation: any so-called Christian thinking he has the right to interpret the Bible."
I take it you are referring to yourself. I'm not a Christian. I am not interpreting. You are.
I Believe it does say in Your Bible:
"Thou shalt not kill."
I don't see any sub clauses, Or is this another example of you bending the 9th commandment.
@kDest Thankyou. I knew there had to be a get out clause somewhere. After all, all those lies that christians tell. They wouldn't do it without some kind of divine dispensation, would they?
surely, they would be putting their "immortal" souls in Jeopardy.
So animals, which feel pain and emotions are fair game to you, but an unfeeling mass of cells is something you care about.
>>link
See: "FDA approves human embryonic stem cell study" and "Embryonic stem cells used on patient for first time."
This research would have been conducted years ago but people like you fought for restrictions which until now were lifted. Fragile X syndrome and Cystic fibrosis are other avenues for research into model systems.
Don't use fancy words incorrectly when correct plain English is capable of making the point.
>>Fetal pain laws aren't just for the lulz
A foetus isn't a fully developed human, as such it cannot feel what we would consider pain. It is only church dogma that makes you believe something so obviously contrary to fact. It also misses the point that ESC are collected from, surprise, EMBRYOS. Embryos cannot feel pain.
@kDest if you don't know what a euphemism is, it's no wonder you have no idea you are using them. The pubic school system failed you.
I am more than astounded at your ignorance regarding fetal pain. Since when is our government a theocracy? Do you really believe that fetal pain laws have been passed in several states due to Church teaching? In 2011, you are without excuse.
I know you don't believe that. I realize that, in substitution for a real argument,you thought you could attack religion.
A foetus is not a developed human. Its nervous system and brain are primordial, so what you assume about pain must not apply. At this stage it would be in shades of development, with a brain developing the ability to process nerve inputs and signals.
>>due to Church teaching
Yes. They form the heart of anti-abortion politics. There is little science behind it.
A fetus feels pain which "we consider" far more intense and severe than an adult human eye feels. This is due to under-developed nerve endings and thalamus. We know each biological component necessary to feel pain, and we know the order and time they develop.
Your pathetic attempt to poke the Church instead of arguing scientifically is demonstrative of your ignorance, your lack of self respect, and your immaturity. Only on the Internet would I find someone like you.
Without a functioning brain the signals lack a context, meaning that signals responding to stimuli may be sent but the feeling is not there. You are trying to tell us that something which is in the early stages of development must have a complete ability to feel. It flies in the face of science and reason to assert that gradualistic processes must be starkly delineated, and is fundamentally wrong to assert that a foetus' awareness is equal to our own.
>>Your pathetic attempt to poke the Church instead of arguing scientifically is demonstrative of your ignorance, your lack of self respect, and your immaturity. Only on the Internet would I find someone like you.
People act like this when they have a low self-image, and find it gratifying to treat people they do not know horribly.
@kDest After I critiqued your poor behavior, you quoted this and said "people like this." In using a third-person reference, you absolutely referred to yourself within the context of the conversation. I'm sorry you can't grasp English.
To use reality: the unborn fetus feels pain more severely than if the abortion were to be performed on an adult human eye--yes, without anesthetics. Were you not aware that the unborn are NOT given anesthetics before the abortion procedure?
>>After I critiqued your poor behavior, you quoted this and said "people like this."
I quoted you and said, "People act like this..." Just drop your juvenile attacks. No one cares. You aren't impressing anybody. This isn't high school, where your shenanigans get you an applaud. You made a poor attempt at mocking rebuttal and failed.
>>To use reality
A foetus does not have a developed brain. Try again. An embryo has NO developing brain. Try again even harder.
If Sarah is so pro-life then why did she create a gun target map on her Facebook page that said to target Garbrielle Giffords? 6 people are dead because of the Tucson massacre and Sarah Palin has blood on her hands. She should be considered an accomplice to the crazed gunman Jared Loughner at his upcoming trial.
No she doesn't. She had no contact with the murderer. She just did something dumb and by coincidence a tragedy happened.
>>She should be considered an accomplice to the crazed gunman Jared Loughner at his upcoming trial.
Jared Loughner is mentally disturbed. It wouldn't matter if Palin put Pizza shapes on the map, the man didn't need her suggestion to action. The mentally disturbed do not think like you do.
Why don't people realize that we can just take the stem cells from a fetus that was already deceased? We don't have to create a baby then kill it for it's stem cells.
I love watching political candidates try to answer touchy questions. Nearly every one of them will give an ambiguous answer to try to appease everyone. Palin's method was apparently to suggest that a politician's professional opinion can often differ from their personal opinion. I think the word for that is "hypocrisy."
Just for the lols, let's look at my original post and where it stands at the moment:
- "fetal stem cells have produced a grand total of 0 cures"
Is this still correct? Yes.
- "adult stem cells ... have produced thousands of cures"
Is this still correct? Yes.
Oh wait, those were the only two claims I made. And look, they're still both correct. Looking back, I realized you were using insults since your first post. Even as you hide behind the Internet, you are still pathetic.
Here is where it stands: You are arguing against the use of embryonic stem cells, I have shown you a total of 8 peer reviews that extensively show the promise of embryonic stem cells and their benefits compared to adult stem cells. You claim embryonic stem cells caused numerous tumors (a part you conveniently left out while quoting yourself). I say this is false and dare you to get me some data or argumentation why this would be so. You can not.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You are arguing against the use of embryonic stem cells"
When you say "You" here, you are referring to the imagined alter-ego of me you created to argue with. I never argued against fetal stem cells once. Because you are delusional, you honestly can't tell the difference between what I say and what you pretend that I mean.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "I have shown you a total of 8 peer reviews that extensively show the promise ..."
And I stop you right there. What did I say? I said the fetal stem cells have produced no cures.
What did you falsely accuse me of saying? That fetal stem cells have no promise.
And why did you say this? So that you would have someone to argue with, because your arguments are irrelevant in regards to what I actually said: that fetal stem cells have produced no cures.
If you don't contest they show promise, why are arguing against there use? I find the argument "there are no cures" pretty irrelevant against research to cures.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Believe me, I know exactly what you are doing.
You want to feel like you "won" here or that you were "right," but all of your data is absolutely and completely irrelevant because it was collected and posted to argue with a persona that does not exist--the personage you created of me that said "fetal stem cells have no promise," a statement the real me never said nor implied.
Do you want me to share my views on fetal stem cells? You're clearly desperate to argue against them.
You said fetal stem cells produce tumors, remembers? You are unable to argue in favor of this claim, you are unable to provide any data but a shitty article with no sources.
Then why are you arguing against the use of stem cells exactly? If you acknowledge they show promise?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You said fetal stem cells produce tumors, remembers?"
Okay, so you are going to sit here and say that fetal stem cells do not produce tumors. With your alleged background, I already know that you know this is false. Why did you say it?
No but since you only mention this when "discussing" embryonic stem cells and not with adult stem cells (which also can cause tumors, in fact most cancer in the human body derive from gained pluripotence and their own stem cell lineage), it begs the question why you choose to not mention this. So giving you the benefit of the doubt ansd assuming you didn't mean fetal stem cells cause MORE tumors, why did you only mention it with fetal stem cells?
Embryonic stem cell research is very important. The placenta can be safely extracted from the umbilical cord AFTER the child is safely born!
fingerboy18 2 weeks ago
The embryo is at most a week old. It doesn't even exist as a precursor to human form yet because the stem cells haven't differentiated. Why must this woman make it seem like taking apart a newborn all-American baby?
mjgc8755 2 weeks ago
I can see where she is coming from- destroying an embryo is a form of murder but regardless of her feelings or for anybody else who is pro-life there are still countless abortions taking place everyday, all over the world. It's out of our control so why don't we just use those stem-cells instead of them going to waste?
emilsofthepinkers 3 weeks ago
Most of you commenters are cruel bastards and really dim and retarded idiots. And it's the interviewer who is stupid if anyone is, he had to have it repeated to him again what she said.
ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes 1 month ago
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes no, putting blind ignorant beliefs ahead of research that will benefit all of man kind is cruel, dim, retarded and idiotic, much like your UsEr NaMe. i don't know what sarah palin is LESS qualified for, the US presidency, or speaking on behalf of cutting edge scientific research.
SamySara2 3 weeks ago
@SamySara2 You are a weak-minded fool.
ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes 3 weeks ago
She can kill an animal on camera for fun, but turns moralfag over an embryo with no consciousness?
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ToMichaelJackson 1 month ago
*embryo wipes away tear* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT DESTROY ME SARAH PALIN ITS ALL YOUR FAULT"
Bral11 1 month ago
@Bral11 Mock an embryo being slaughtered all you like. Mock it. I hope someone murders you in your sleep your sleep tonight and he can make fun of you and refer to me. Your head is vacant, you have no brains and no ethics. You don't deserve to live, kill yourself.
ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes 1 month ago
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes Thank you for that insightful lesson in ethics and morality! You have shown me the error of my ways and I have now unchained the embryos off the wall in my cellar and have set them free. I named one "Twilight" and told him to go to you, I know how much you like vampires. x
Bral11 1 month ago
@Bral11 I do like vampires. =) But you are really misguided if you really think there are no questions over killing embryos, or any other animal/developing animal.
ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes 1 month ago
@ILikeGirlsWthBigEyes It can potentially save a lot of lives. There should be no questions they arent concious beings! If i ever got a life threatening disease i really hope a cure is avaliable and if they can do that through embryos then thats fine. I hope that for you aswell :)
Bral11 1 month ago
what patheic losers and moronic nutcases these evangelical christians are! they will not "hurt" a embryo, but they are willing to go to war at the drop of a hat and drop bombs on other nations, and kill millions upoin millions! They are not pro-life, they are pro-death! they people are really demons...you can see the evil that surrounds them
totallyprudent49 1 month ago
fucking retard that palin
StateOwned 2 months ago
wait.. did she say adult 'skin' cell?
PromotingRape 2 months ago
I am Stem cell research and I find this offensive.
Mrvidse 2 months ago
i agree with her...whys it such a big thing that she doesnt agree with killing babys..
easytoremember95 3 months ago
@easytoremember95 They're not even babies yes, just embryos. Stem cell research could and very likely will lead to saving countless lives, and even finding cures for many diseases, birth defects, etc.
bigbluefungus 3 months ago
@bigbluefungus but they eventually will be babys ya?
easytoremember95 2 months ago
@easytoremember95 It's an odd scenario, really: Have cures for all sorts of things, let crippled people walk again, like wounded soldiers and what not.. While at the same time have some embryos never develop and be born.
So you have to ask yourself if it's better to have every human be born, if possible, and have people suffering with being handicapped, having diseases, etc...or have some humans not be born and immensely improve the standard of living for us and future generations.
bigbluefungus 2 months ago
@easytoremember95 Stem cell research does not kill babies. When you hear the terminology you form a picture in your mind, but it's not accurate. Scientists need a grouping of about 150 cells (the common house fly has 10,000 cells in it's brain). If you're concerned about human life, think about children with spinal cord injuries or people with Parkinsons disease that stem cell research could help. IVF eggs are thrown away if not used. Are you ok with throwing that "life" away?
tra1215 2 months ago
@tra1215 der not fertilized do are dey...i dont give a shit how cells a fly has...i hear stem cell research from the placenta or something works ...why dont dey just do dat and make abortion illegal
easytoremember95 2 months ago
@easytoremember95 Yes, the IVF eggs are indeed fertilized. I would have mentioned that before if I'd had room. My point is that they will be tossed out if science does not use them to help people. Why would you be ok with throwing them away? Also, the way you speak makes you sound like a child. It's hard to take you seriously. Just throwing that out there.
tra1215 2 months ago 2
@tra1215 Its obvious that he is 16 yo. And the sad fact is that much of the 16 year old kids are smarter than Palin. [no speakin' of the guy you just quoted]
MrBiace 2 months ago
@easytoremember95 Putting aside the issue of abortion, stem cells come from fertilized eggs, the cells of which have not yet differentiated, not from aborted fetuses.
YY4Me133 2 months ago
scientist are trying to help people with this research
and am embryo is not a full human, it has the potential to become a full human
if stem cell research comes true and we can actually help people because of this research, we can save millions of lives in the future
FarhanC99 3 months ago
@FarhanC99 Adult stem cell research is promising to hold the most potential for the future of medicine. But even embryonic stem cells can be harvested without destroying the embryo. Michael J Fox has made the argument that we have been throwing away embryos for over 20 years and why not use them for research? It is a fair argument. I think what Sarah is talking about here is the creation of embryos for the specific purpose of using them for research which creates a new environment
prrolg 3 months ago
@prrolg ok...
all i care is that it has the potential to save peoples lives in the future
and for that reason alone imo we should continue with this research at 100%
FarhanC99 3 months ago
@FarhanC99 It's good to know that a greater ethic does not need be compromised in reaching out in finding better science. The point of a higher more civilized society being realized benefits everyone.
prrolg 3 months ago
Palins answer was not only correct but up to date on the science. Also the additional point that because she has a personal opinon, the public has a right to know it on important policy questions if she is to hold office representing the people. Charlie was hedging the truth a bit or was misinformed by his sources
prrolg 3 months ago
This ignorant clown knows as much about stem cells as a whore knows about controversial hedge funds..Now all of you fuck-off now...leave time for the adults.Gemma
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Palin and Miss Carolina should get together and make a porn...something like...
Dumbs like Cums -EP#2
fokdrednek01 3 months ago
@MumblingMickey Having a double standard seems to be the norm in US foreign policy when dealing with countries in the Middle East.
Interesting to mention that the "Ground Zero Mosque" was even an issue in the US.
Wraithen16 3 months ago
Wow. It's 2011. And it makes me so sad that our country is still being controlled by superstitious morons who oppose science. It's like we are living in the middle ages. We try to make progress and make new scientific discoveries, but religion always gets in the way.
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I am not sure where we were but it was an open area with very few houses and I pulled the car up, as I wanted to go to the toilet. When I came back to the car and sat down Sarah Palin said "You've had your fun, now let me have mine. She then undid my trousers and began to fondle my penis. Then she masturbated me and undid his own trousers and began to masturbate herself. After a while he leant over and began to suck my penis with her mouth. She did this till I ejaculated.
GPunktmod 3 months ago
It always amazes me when you see such important political figures in the US quite openly and proudly slow the progress of medical science and not only get away with it but in many cases are celebrated for it.
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cinder544 3 months ago
This woman has the intellectual capacity of a fucking bagel!
But hey...as a European I am seriously annoyed she'll not be running for president....
The fallout from her total stupidity would benefit everyone outside the US!
MumblingMickey 3 months ago 21
@MumblingMickey True
Ipowne3g 3 months ago
@MumblingMickey
Please take me with you...
goldendragonchild 2 weeks ago
WHATS A STEM CELL I AINT NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS
461penguin 3 months ago
@VideoBrew ...I appreciate your opinion.
MLorio777 3 months ago
"adult skin cell" lol
aguilerafanaz 4 months ago
@aguilerafanaz Adult skin cell is actually correct. Research on regressing skin cells in to their embryonic state has shown promise. The attempt to create a stem cell from skin shows potential for creating cells that may be more stable in healing. The goal is to find the best science. Even embryonic cells can be used without destroying the embryo from which they are extracted.
prrolg 3 months ago
@cinder544 What reason does our government have to get involved in that? The Iranian Constitution declares the state religion as Islam and does not guarantee freedom of religion. The pastor knew what risks were involved. Just because another government is doing something we do not approve of does not mean our government should intervene.
P.S. The US is not a Christian nation, it is a nation of all faiths.
Wraithen16 4 months ago
Educate yourself: look up "Iran religious laws" on Google and click the first link to the Department of State's website.
Wraithen16 4 months ago
@Wraithen16 Interesting I think that the same US 'protestations' and 'objections' to the way Iran clearly acts to suppress other religions is not equally as vehement when it comes to a country with yet more draconian laws such as Saudi Arabia...
Its against the law to even 'be in possession' of a bible in Saudi Arabia...
So I'll take the US's protestations on these matters seriously when they apply such across the board...starting with inside the USA!
MumblingMickey 3 months ago
Christian pastor about to be executed in Iran because of his faith.
Where are the media?
Where is Obama?
Where is Congress?
Where is equal treatment?
cinder544 4 months ago
When Sarah Palin, McCain and Bush get AIDS, let's ban stem-cell research!
MLorio777 4 months ago
@MLorio777 >:D
AtheistGamer4 4 months ago
@MLorio777 This is probably the stupidest comment I have ever heard.
VideoBrew 3 months ago
And Americans wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at them....
DjTommyKx 4 months ago
Of course, let's not use a tool science has given us because you don't think your God would like it. Because of this opinion, other people who do not believe in your god have to die as a result of said policy.
Termiteruler 4 months ago
I'm sure you Atheists who hate Sarah Palin and support stem research will make fine editions to Satan's Army.
RA9U1 4 months ago
@RA9U1 where do i sign up?
rjh00 4 months ago
@rjh00 All you have to do is commit suicide intentionally. :)
RA9U1 4 months ago
@RA9U1 I sure will. I'd rather go with the lesser evil that is known to all as Satan.
Radianceable 4 months ago
@RA9U1 It's ok, I've figured out Satan's plan. He's all "Hey, come with me, you guys, I've got really cool stuff we can do!", but in the end I know he just wants to torture us all in Hell. So I devised a little plan of my own; I'm gonna sign up for his army, then as soon as we get into Hell, I'm gonna destroy it from the inside because I'm just so super-badass that way.
Wish me luck or God-speed or whatever you Christians do.
SeedsOfHatred 4 months ago
ohh you dumb bitch!!!!
plum741 4 months ago
Religion is like racism, it's wrong.
mQtek 4 months ago
fuck education, fuck science fuck the world. Live fore god.
Dont work, dont heal, dont eat.
If god wants us to work, he will have us work, if god wants us to eat he will put food in our mouths. If god wants sick people to be healed, he will to it himself. Dont bother with anything in life at all, its up to god.
OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp 4 months ago
@OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp I really hope that that is sarcasm.
evilpie1766 4 months ago
@evilpie1766
if you cant tell, then your far from gods grace.
Just kidding, it was entirly satirical, anyone that believs that shit is fucking retarded. I'm surprised i didn;t get any thumbs up
OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp 4 months ago
@OnlyTheWeakNeedHelp Well i think its because they probably didnt realise you were joking its kinda sad that that comment looks like something someoone would actually say but mainly funny XP
evilpie1766 4 months ago
i completly disagree with her but i don't think her argument is completly stupid and unsensible. i think people go overboard when saying how stupid she is (even if she's obviously not very bright)
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@Gliese0 lol? Then you my friend are not very bright.
mQtek 4 months ago
Do people actullay vote for this bint?
DemonLDR 4 months ago
Stupidity and ignorance at its finest
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
The embryo would have died anyway. They don't use live embryos, only dead ones.
MonicaKn17 5 months ago
73% of the people in the USA are white. Only 13% of the people in the USA are black. Only half of those 13% black people is a woman. A big part of that little 7% group is too young or too old to even get pregnant. How can the little group that's left be responsible for most abortions in the USA? Whoever said that is an idiot. And sounds racist (yeah i said it).
Troublesome2008 5 months ago
@Troublesome2008 That depends if the figures are correct, if they are then The person who stated this is just stating a fact, do we really live in a world where when someone states a fact based on solid statistics and just because they portray a negative stereotype, they can be labeled a racist. If they aren't then you're right.
XChillX42 5 months ago
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"I don't NEED to be any smarter to get what I want!" the lovely Sarah Palin thought to herself. She knew she was pretty, but gosh darnit, she was dumb as a rock! "It doesn't matter," she thought later, sticking out her chin with defiance. "I'm a Mama Grizzly and I'm gonna WIN this thing and FIX this country!" lol
id7701 6 months ago
"And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community. If the Democrats want votes, they ought to oppose abortion so the black population increases."
Uh oh, racist alert!
Because more 'black' people means more democratic votes, right? And you've got data to support all those claims?
And it's murder when a baby is conceived and then aborted, except under those circumstances? Or do those circumstances make murder okay? Rape children can get adopted, you know?
ScabeiathraxUK 6 months ago
@ScabeiathraxUK YOu abort every day when you make and omelet. Every ejaculation doesn't deserve a name. Women naturally abort many times in their life, are women serial killers ? Lastly the majority of stem cell research uses after birth, stem cells derived from other tissues (like fat) and the politicians in the states ban ALL of it. Whatever Japan, most of Europe and Canada will pick up the slack and get the new High tech jobs for you. Its not like the US economy needs a boost or anything.
tperley 5 months ago
@tperley
The eggs we eat when we make an omelette aren't fertilised - there are no embryos inside them.
Dont get me wrong, I agree with what you're saying.
fleabag500 5 months ago
YES OR NO WHORE
pinkfurryhat 6 months ago
This is outdated. Scientists have nearly lost any interest in embryonic stem cell research because other stem cells have proven to be more effective.
williamqprice 6 months ago
@williamqprice and irrelevant.
williamqprice 6 months ago
Does this dumb bitch even know what an embryo is....
JaydeeOldBoy 6 months ago
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oh but i guess it's cool to invade other countries and kill a 100,000+ people.
impsick 6 months ago
Now one of the dumbest human beings who has ever walked the earth is about to run for our nations highest office. The cross bow was outlaws by the pope because it desecrated the cross. What do you think this idiot is going to outlaw because of her warped interpretation of God?!?
apacheaviator1 6 months ago 48
@apacheaviator1 you call her dumb compare her to the pope then say her twisted view will cause her to ban something relating to the way god acts? i can't follow this dude.
TheChosenBlox 5 months ago
@TheChosenBlox when holding political office, such as the office of president, you cant have that power and responsibility and be so ignorant of the times, by that i mean modern times not the fucking middle ages, which is where she is stuck in
rhcpfrush91 5 months ago
@apacheaviator1 The medieval Knight was the most powerful and effective warrior and said to be worth 10 foot soldiers, who were regarded with the lowest esteem and considered expendable. The crossbow could be used by an untrained soldier to injure or kill a knight by penetrating their plate Armour. In fact,
in 1139 Pope Innocent II decided that the crossbow was too inhuman. They required no skill and had no honor. This resulted in the crossbow being outlawed.
dipoffm 3 months ago
European scientists have just grown a human trachea in a lab using stem cells. Had the moron GW Bush not been told that God doesn't like stem cell research it may have been American scientist who saved this mans life. The roman formula for concrete was lost for 600 years during the dark ages.
apacheaviator1 6 months ago 75
@apacheaviator1 nothing wrong with not supported stem cell research
Falcondick69 5 months ago
@apacheaviator1 If Muslims raiders hadn't destroyed the Library of Alexandria, we'd have been a space faring race by 1,000 AD. Oppenheimer was one of the first men to witness the rediscovering of nuclear weapons, the unenlightened passed-down recordings of which were preserved in the Bhagavad Gita. Who knows how many tens of thousands of years that scientific knowledge had been lost for.
On the question of the first atomic bomb detonated:
"Well ,yes, in modern history" Dr. J R Oppenheimer
stig781 5 months ago
@apacheaviator1 Since you have 63 thumbs up maybe I'm wrong but that was done with adult stem cells wasn't it? And Bush was against embryonic stem cells as is mentioned in the video. Maybe I am not understanding the science.
prrolg 3 months ago
Wow, she wasnt rediculous, I am impressed.
AxeHomeless 6 months ago
WHAT A CHEAP STINKIN HO
JadeTomZ 6 months ago
"finding adult skin cell" skin cell? really I had no idea skin cells were that valuable
GingerPretzel 6 months ago
My personal opinion is that stem cell research and abortions should be legal. I have no scientific evidence why, I have no religious shit to blame. I just know that it seems to me that we're getting into other people's business by saying no you can't do that, like you know what's best for them. It's the same concept as gay marriage, some people are so against it, but ask them what it has to do with their day to day lives and you'll find out it doesn't change a fucking thing.
pat5168 6 months ago
I like how that Stealth guy is still on here 3 months later.
pat5168 6 months ago
EPIC FACEPALM
brainslurper 6 months ago
Abortion is murder. End of story.
An embryo is a human being. Killing it is murder.
How is abortion a matter of women's rights? Would women be able to perform abortions without doctors? No.
Abortion is not natural in any way, shape, or form.
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
"Abortion is not natural in any way, shape, or form."
You do know that miscarriages are abortions, don't you? You fumble in ignorance.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Miscarriages are an accident, you fucking retard.
Abortion is murder, and would be impossible without a doctor.
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
No, abortion is the termination of pregnancy before the embryo or fetus is viable, regardless of the termination's nature. Miscarriages fall under this.
What you are talking about is abortus provocatus or induced abortion.
You aren't even up to date on medical terminology, you've lost this already.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@2012Romney
Your ignorance is fucking appalling but at the same time amusing, on behalf of my mates and myself, I'd like to thank you for the laugh anyway.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Ignorance? Excuse me? Care to explain then?
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
I already did. You don't even know miscarriages are abortions in medical terminology, so you spew bullshit like "abortions are never natural". That is pure undiluted ignorance on your part.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't need to take a medical terminology class to know the difference between an elective abortion and a miscarriage.
What a fucking dumbass you are.
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
One would think so, but apparently there are morons out there stating things like "no abortion is natural", when in fact over half of pregnancies are terminated by spontaneous abortions, also known as miscarriages. Morons like you. Let me quote you again.
"Abortion is not natural in any way, shape, or form." - Moron
So I'd take that class anyway if I were you.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Let me just ask you a question: Is it okay for a pregnant woman to have an elective abortion for the sake of convenience?
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
I believe that that is a much more nuanced issue than you present it to be. Early abortion, yes. Late term abortion should perhaps be judged on a case by case basis.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Life begins at conception. Intentionally killing it for the sake of convenience is murder. Simply put.
Those are facts, and you cannot disupte them.
So then, the question becomes, do you support the right of a mother to murder her child?
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
Your sperm is alive, as a oocyte, so if you are going to play that card, you must think masturbation and contraception is murder as well?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
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@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Sperm are not human beings.
2012Romney 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
>>Your sperm is alive, as a oocyte, so if you are going to play that card, you must think masturbation and contraception is murder as well?
"Life begins at erection."
kDest 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>Life begins at conception... Simply put.
I doubt you're open-minded enough to reconsider your positions, but if I were you I would be wary of anything involving reproductive biology and "simple." Science isn't simple, and if you bothered to study biology you would know that embryos do not form until a couple weeks after sex, and that embryos are not babies. They are small masses of cells. In fact the majority of abortions don't even involve a foetus.
kDest 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>So then, the question becomes, do you support the right of a mother to murder her child?
It isn't a child. Anti-abortion rhetoric loads language to build an emotional case for itself, which is a quick way to tell that it has none. An embryo and a foetus are not babies. They are not children. They are pre-life.
However, to answer your question: yes, a mother has a right to choose whether she will conceive. It is her body, and a baby shouldn't be forced upon unwanting parents.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest It is in fact, human life.
": yes, a mother has a right to choose whether she will conceive. It is her body, and a baby shouldn't be forced upon unwanting parents."
- She DOES have the right to choose whether she will conceive. Maybe she should use birth control pills or a condom?
- A baby shouldn't be forced upon unwilling parents? Who's forcing the baby upon them? They are the ones who had sex without a condom or birth control! It's their child, a life they made willfully.
2012Romney 6 months ago
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@2012Romney
>>It is in fact, human life
Which is meaninglessly broad. A skin cell is human life. A kidney is human life. That's not what's important. It matters that it isn't a baby, or a child, but a pre-life.
>>Maybe she should use birth control pills or a condom?
Or an abortion. Medicine isn't about punishing people with your sense of justice.
>>It's their child, a life they made willfully.
If they wish to abort it, they do not want it. A child should grow up in a home that wants it.
kDest 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>They are the ones who had sex without a condom or birth control!
Pregnancy can happen due to burst condoms, ineffectively administered birth control, rape, and sheer negligence. It doesn't change the fact that the baby would not be wanted, and probably couldn't be supported. By restraining parents this way you encourage crime because children are raised in too poor of households, without the love and support they need. It is our responsibility to help people this way.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest The Republican position is to oppose abortion in all cases except rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened.
Unwanted children can get adopted, you know.
And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community. If the Democrats want votes, they ought to oppose abortion so the black population increases.
2012Romney 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>The Republican position is to oppose abortion in all cases except rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened
Which is a dogmatic position that only serves a political agenda. Women should have full control over their bodies. Denying them this fundamental right simply causes them to have children they do not want, and it causes them to injure themselves having illegal abortions. Two severe social negatives born from political dogma.
kDest 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>Unwanted children can get adopted, you know.
What is wrong with you that you would want to put MORE children through the state adoption circuit? Isn't life hard enough for those children already in constant limbo? Now you want MORE children who are constantly shuffling homes, or living on the streets. What will it take for you to acknowledge that unwanted children only harm society overall because they are neglected that most basic and necessary foundation of childhood?
kDest 6 months ago
@2012Romney
>>And let me also say this... Most abortions are done in the black community
What I think is, you have no personal opinion on abortion. You just have a feeling, and some republican talking points seeped into your subconscious. Do yourself a favor and deeply think about the topic. Research it from reliable, non-political sources. Talk to people. Right now you are hovering without a thought-out position. That is why you would repeat a talking point about black babies which is silly.
kDest 6 months ago
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@kDest Thank you for telling me my opinion.
You know me more than I thought you did.
2012Romney 6 months ago
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@2012Romney "Abortion is murder, and would be impossible without a doctor."
My coat hanger tells me otherwise.
ScabeiathraxUK 6 months ago
Stem cell research could have saved the lives of thousands of people by now if these dumbfuck republicans weren't holding us back.
DrinkSkateSleep 6 months ago
@DrinkSkateSleep completly agreed
DOA4rocks 6 months ago
@DrinkSkateSleep You are beyond description. Can a person really be so ignorant?
OneCatholic 6 months ago
It never ceases to amaze me how it always seems to be the Christians who are pro life for embryos, but have no trouble killing animals just for the fun of it or executing adult thinking humans.
I believe the bible says. "Thou Shalt not KILL."
I'm sure some Christian will come on and say, "that's not what it means."
After all, without performing mental gymastics in interpreting the bible, No sane person could possibly believe any of that superstitious clap-trap that passes for divine writ.
HonestMan395 7 months ago
@HonestMan395 Congratulations. You just uncovered the greatest problem with the Protestant Reformation: any so-called Christian thinking he has the right to interpret the Bible.
Within the context of all Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, it is clear that God is referring to fellow man when He commands us "Thou shalt not kill." He even makes apparent in Genesis that man is above the animals.
Mental gymnastics? Maybe your brain is just out of shape.
OneCatholic 7 months ago
@OneCatholic quote: "Congratulations. You just uncovered the greatest problem with the Protestant Reformation: any so-called Christian thinking he has the right to interpret the Bible."
I take it you are referring to yourself. I'm not a Christian. I am not interpreting. You are.
I Believe it does say in Your Bible:
"Thou shalt not kill."
I don't see any sub clauses, Or is this another example of you bending the 9th commandment.
You've already proved you are willing to do that.
HonestMan395 7 months ago
@HonestMan395
>>I don't see any sub clauses, Or is this another example of you bending the 9th commandment.
You missed the following asterisk which reads "unless in the name of god almighty."
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest Thankyou. I knew there had to be a get out clause somewhere. After all, all those lies that christians tell. They wouldn't do it without some kind of divine dispensation, would they?
surely, they would be putting their "immortal" souls in Jeopardy.
HonestMan395 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>man is above the animals.
So animals, which feel pain and emotions are fair game to you, but an unfeeling mass of cells is something you care about.
>>link
See: "FDA approves human embryonic stem cell study" and "Embryonic stem cells used on patient for first time."
This research would have been conducted years ago but people like you fought for restrictions which until now were lifted. Fragile X syndrome and Cystic fibrosis are other avenues for research into model systems.
kDest 7 months ago
@kDest If you can't argue without getting drunk on euphemisms, maybe you should question your stance. Fetal pain laws aren't just for the lulz.
OneCatholic 7 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>If you can't argue
Don't use fancy words incorrectly when correct plain English is capable of making the point.
>>Fetal pain laws aren't just for the lulz
A foetus isn't a fully developed human, as such it cannot feel what we would consider pain. It is only church dogma that makes you believe something so obviously contrary to fact. It also misses the point that ESC are collected from, surprise, EMBRYOS. Embryos cannot feel pain.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest if you don't know what a euphemism is, it's no wonder you have no idea you are using them. The pubic school system failed you.
I am more than astounded at your ignorance regarding fetal pain. Since when is our government a theocracy? Do you really believe that fetal pain laws have been passed in several states due to Church teaching? In 2011, you are without excuse.
I know you don't believe that. I realize that, in substitution for a real argument,you thought you could attack religion.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>if you don't know what a euphemism is
I already addressed this. Read a dictionary.
>>regarding fetal pain
A foetus is not a developed human. Its nervous system and brain are primordial, so what you assume about pain must not apply. At this stage it would be in shades of development, with a brain developing the ability to process nerve inputs and signals.
>>due to Church teaching
Yes. They form the heart of anti-abortion politics. There is little science behind it.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest [2nd comment of 2]
A fetus feels pain which "we consider" far more intense and severe than an adult human eye feels. This is due to under-developed nerve endings and thalamus. We know each biological component necessary to feel pain, and we know the order and time they develop.
Your pathetic attempt to poke the Church instead of arguing scientifically is demonstrative of your ignorance, your lack of self respect, and your immaturity. Only on the Internet would I find someone like you.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>far more intense
Without a functioning brain the signals lack a context, meaning that signals responding to stimuli may be sent but the feeling is not there. You are trying to tell us that something which is in the early stages of development must have a complete ability to feel. It flies in the face of science and reason to assert that gradualistic processes must be starkly delineated, and is fundamentally wrong to assert that a foetus' awareness is equal to our own.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest A fetus's pain (not awareness, as you falsely quote me as saying) is "more intense" than our own.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>Your pathetic attempt to poke the Church instead of arguing scientifically is demonstrative of your ignorance, your lack of self respect, and your immaturity. Only on the Internet would I find someone like you.
People act like this when they have a low self-image, and find it gratifying to treat people they do not know horribly.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest Is that your explanation? So you have a low self-image and find it gratifying to behave as you are?
What was the point of that post? Why the change of attitude to being so humble now?
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>Is that your explanation? So you have a low self-image and find it gratifying to behave as you are?
Your deferral is strained. I was quite clearly talking about you.
>>A fetus's pain (not awareness, as you falsely quote me as saying) is "more intense" than our own
To use an imperfect example, when you are anesthetized for surgery you do not feel pain despite sensing it intensely.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest After I critiqued your poor behavior, you quoted this and said "people like this." In using a third-person reference, you absolutely referred to yourself within the context of the conversation. I'm sorry you can't grasp English.
To use reality: the unborn fetus feels pain more severely than if the abortion were to be performed on an adult human eye--yes, without anesthetics. Were you not aware that the unborn are NOT given anesthetics before the abortion procedure?
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
>>After I critiqued your poor behavior, you quoted this and said "people like this."
I quoted you and said, "People act like this..." Just drop your juvenile attacks. No one cares. You aren't impressing anybody. This isn't high school, where your shenanigans get you an applaud. You made a poor attempt at mocking rebuttal and failed.
>>To use reality
A foetus does not have a developed brain. Try again. An embryo has NO developing brain. Try again even harder.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest
Don't bother mate, he's a troll.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@kDest "An embryo has NO developing brain."
This is one for the stupidity record books, my friend. Please come back to 2011 when you're done with your hiatus in the 1980s.
Speaking of high school, take a biology class.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
Yup, definitely a troll.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest What a wonderful defense of your stance. I'm sure the pro-choice movement will go well into a healthy future.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
Quit trolling.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest You're absolutely pathetic.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
@OneCatholic
Who's a big troll? Yes you are.
kDest 6 months ago
@kDest I'm not going to lie. I forget that when on the Internet, it's possible an 11-year-old could be on the other end. My bad.
OneCatholic 6 months ago
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@OneCatholic
>>I'm not going to lie. I ...an 11-year-old ...on the other end.
I thought so. It explains your middle-school understanding of biology and religion.
kDest 6 months ago
While answering this question she pictured herself bitch slapping Michael J. Fox
djn1kon 8 months ago
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@OneCatholic
"And yet adult stem cells don't have even remotely as many incidences of causing tumors as fetal--it's no contest"
This is your claim, your exact words. They are in the comment section, out there for everyone to read so stop pretending.
Stand for it by providing evidence or admit it's bullshit.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 9 months ago
If Sarah is so pro-life then why did she create a gun target map on her Facebook page that said to target Garbrielle Giffords? 6 people are dead because of the Tucson massacre and Sarah Palin has blood on her hands. She should be considered an accomplice to the crazed gunman Jared Loughner at his upcoming trial.
darlinkula1 9 months ago
@darlinkula1
>>Sarah Palin has blood on her hands
No she doesn't. She had no contact with the murderer. She just did something dumb and by coincidence a tragedy happened.
>>She should be considered an accomplice to the crazed gunman Jared Loughner at his upcoming trial.
Jared Loughner is mentally disturbed. It wouldn't matter if Palin put Pizza shapes on the map, the man didn't need her suggestion to action. The mentally disturbed do not think like you do.
kDest 7 months ago
FFFFFUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK.
Why don't people realize that we can just take the stem cells from a fetus that was already deceased? We don't have to create a baby then kill it for it's stem cells.
Fucking morons.
zrhealey 9 months ago
Such an idiot!!!!!
xoxILoveCatsxox 9 months ago
I love watching political candidates try to answer touchy questions. Nearly every one of them will give an ambiguous answer to try to appease everyone. Palin's method was apparently to suggest that a politician's professional opinion can often differ from their personal opinion. I think the word for that is "hypocrisy."
xXNuclearWarXx 10 months ago
Just for the lols, let's look at my original post and where it stands at the moment:
- "fetal stem cells have produced a grand total of 0 cures"
Is this still correct? Yes.
- "adult stem cells ... have produced thousands of cures"
Is this still correct? Yes.
Oh wait, those were the only two claims I made. And look, they're still both correct. Looking back, I realized you were using insults since your first post. Even as you hide behind the Internet, you are still pathetic.
OneCatholic 10 months ago 8
@OneCatholic
Here is where it stands: You are arguing against the use of embryonic stem cells, I have shown you a total of 8 peer reviews that extensively show the promise of embryonic stem cells and their benefits compared to adult stem cells. You claim embryonic stem cells caused numerous tumors (a part you conveniently left out while quoting yourself). I say this is false and dare you to get me some data or argumentation why this would be so. You can not.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 10 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You are arguing against the use of embryonic stem cells"
When you say "You" here, you are referring to the imagined alter-ego of me you created to argue with. I never argued against fetal stem cells once. Because you are delusional, you honestly can't tell the difference between what I say and what you pretend that I mean.
OneCatholic 10 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "I have shown you a total of 8 peer reviews that extensively show the promise ..."
And I stop you right there. What did I say? I said the fetal stem cells have produced no cures.
What did you falsely accuse me of saying? That fetal stem cells have no promise.
And why did you say this? So that you would have someone to argue with, because your arguments are irrelevant in regards to what I actually said: that fetal stem cells have produced no cures.
This is not that hard ...
OneCatholic 10 months ago 6
@OneCatholic
If you don't contest they show promise, why are arguing against there use? I find the argument "there are no cures" pretty irrelevant against research to cures.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 10 months ago
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@SSTTEEAALLTTHH " I find the argument 'there are no cures' pretty irrelevant against research to cures."
EXACTLY!!! THANK YOU!!!
OneCatholic 10 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Believe me, I know exactly what you are doing.
You want to feel like you "won" here or that you were "right," but all of your data is absolutely and completely irrelevant because it was collected and posted to argue with a persona that does not exist--the personage you created of me that said "fetal stem cells have no promise," a statement the real me never said nor implied.
Do you want me to share my views on fetal stem cells? You're clearly desperate to argue against them.
OneCatholic 10 months ago 3
@OneCatholic
You said fetal stem cells produce tumors, remembers? You are unable to argue in favor of this claim, you are unable to provide any data but a shitty article with no sources.
Then why are you arguing against the use of stem cells exactly? If you acknowledge they show promise?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 10 months ago
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@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "Then why are you arguing against the use of stem cells exactly?"
Because people like you say things like this, I posted my original and first comment.
OneCatholic 10 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You said fetal stem cells produce tumors, remembers?"
Okay, so you are going to sit here and say that fetal stem cells do not produce tumors. With your alleged background, I already know that you know this is false. Why did you say it?
OneCatholic 10 months ago
@OneCatholic
No but since you only mention this when "discussing" embryonic stem cells and not with adult stem cells (which also can cause tumors, in fact most cancer in the human body derive from gained pluripotence and their own stem cell lineage), it begs the question why you choose to not mention this. So giving you the benefit of the doubt ansd assuming you didn't mean fetal stem cells cause MORE tumors, why did you only mention it with fetal stem cells?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 10 months ago