EC-650DL-Good

[TheCatalystKing]

Holy shit, look at the colour of his legs compared to his torso.

[mjmathes]

That was an inspirational lift!

[drionsh]

tony gentilecore is the only person ive ever seen who has a perfect form max effort DL

[mmafan35]

Competing in sports in general is not "healthy" for the most part. Athletes push themselves for performance, not fitness.

[volatileacid]

This is how you deadlift if you're looking for a back injury. This one rep max master has been lucky so far.

[volatileacid]

For all the newbies out there, don't round your back when squatting or dead lifting - because none of these internet chumps are going to be there for you when you're stuck in bed for 1 week unable to move - or when you herniate a disc - please trust me on this one.

[brandixie]

for the back problem get on a reverse hyper

[theManGorilla]

is it me or is his back really rounded there?

[bozez1]

When going for a pr technique often goes out the window. Dude doesn't even weigh 200lbs...I would give a little latitude on that one. Used the right technique to get the job done.

[bozez1]

Also, for someone at this level as long as the rounding takes place at the right part of the spine (which it does here) should be good to go. Again for someone a this level. Probably best for most to follow strict technique as possible.

[mrdiko]

Definetly rounded. Most of the rounding is thoracic, but there is also plenty of lumbar flexion. It's not as much as a problem as many would have us believe.

[wsman18]

Lumbar flexion isn't a problem in a deadlift? Wow. Just wow.

[mrdiko]

Most of us can't get away with it due to weak ligamentous system. The natural lifting posture is rounded, just watch a 5 year old pick up a 8kg kettlebell.

[wsman18]

The natural lifting posture is rounded yes, because the spine isn't straight, it is naturaly curved. Lumbar flexion in a dead lift takes the spine out of its natural posture and will cause trauma, the lumbar should be in extention. A sure fire way to have lower back problems is to rely on your ligaments in a deadlift.

[mrdiko]

I never coach a rounded back, but you have to wonder how we managed for millions of years before someone figured out how were 'supposed' to lift stuff off the floor.

Did evolution mess it up and have primal man crippled with back pain and sciatica when they lifted too much?

Makes no sense.

[wsman18]

You make a good point, but.....How often did primal man have to lift 400+ pounds? Didn't primal man live in packs? More than one guy lifting? Wouldn't they have spent most of their time hunting and gathering? Also, it is likely that primal man did not live long enough to experience the back pain and damage that we experience in our life span. This belief seems flawed. Also, evolution would only happen under conditions more wide spread than a few prehuman guys lifting heavy stones.

[mrdiko]

Oh, what is the spines natural posture? We're we 'designed' only to stand up straight?

[wsman18]

If we were "designed" to "only" stand up straight, we wouldn't be able to bend now would we? The fact is when extreme weight is lifted with the spine in a compromised position it can be mechanicaly damaged by the weight, you, and no one else can dispute this fact.

If you don't know what the natural posture of the spine is, consult your local chiropractor or anatomy book, maybe a cadaver.

[mrdiko]

I don't believe that primal man lifted 400lbs, but what's the limit? We weren't given an owners manual. You would think if it was too heavy, you wouldn't be able to pick it up. People get back pain as teenagers, so primal man could very well have lived long enough.

People hurt their backs lifting 400lbs and people hurt their backs lifting a dirty sock off the floor. There is much more too this than neutral spine. I think nutrition, genetics and our emotional state plays a bigger roll.

[wsman18]

Lifting a sock off the floor is not going to be ligament pain/damage or disc damage. It is going to be a bone out of alignment, its not the same thing as mechanical trauma to the spine from excessive weight!

Nutrition and emotional state are going to have a negligible effect on ligament health. Ligaments have a very poor blood supply, so nutrition is going to do jack squat for ligament health. Also, ligaments no matter who you are are not nearly as strong as muscles, they WILL tear.

[mrdiko]

Nutritional - The food we eat becomes 'us', so I believe it has an impact on joint integrity.

Emotional - No going to influence mechanical issues, but weather we experience pain or not.

[wsman18]

The food we eat does become us. But the amount of time it takes for ligaments to be reproduced from dietary sources is very significant. If you are talking about joints, cartillage has no blood flow, and it takes 7 years for a bone to be entirely remodeled from new dietary sources.

Emotionaly should be classified as endocrine. Endorphins don't determine the presence of damage or lack of damage, pain free doesn't mean damage free.

[wsman18]

Primal man most likely would not have had to lift things heavy enough to compromise his spine. Teenagers get back pain along with everyone, but not the same back pain we are talking about. Typicaly on average even in todays world you do not see teenagers with ligament, or disc damage unless they have been in a SERIOUS accident, so it is very unlikely to have occurred in primal mans life.

[mrdiko]

I was a teenager who had back pain. Some days I couldn't put my school shoes on. I had no accident that could explain it.

50%+ of us have disc bulges, degeneration, etc. They don't cause pain in most people. I know people with clear(no dysfunction) MRI's and have had crippling back pain for years. Point is, spine anomalies may be 'normal' and not the cause of pain.

Many unknowns in the world of spine health and back pain.

[wsman18]

You most likely didn't have the back pain we are talking about unless you have very poor genetics, the disc bulge, degeneration, and we are not speaking of just discs. We are speaking of ligaments as well as bones. You had pain caused from muscles or out of place vertebrae pressing on muscles. 50% of us do not have disc bulges or degeneration.

[Jacobomo]

@wsman18 it is a problem. thoracic flexion however, is not when lifting weights of over 500 pounds

[professorgentzel]

Incredible lifting! I notice that a lot of the best deadlifters use a somewhat narrow stance-is the to capitalize on limb leverages and arm length? My back is a lot stronger than my legs, but i feel 'more stable' with a wider stance; maybe I'll try bringing it in a bit.

[mrbtardation]

I had this form the last time I deadlifted. It was the last workout of the week, I was tired and I had a heavy deadlift triple left. I loaded the bar with 160kg and started pulling. My glutes were tired so my back rounded in the last rep. Now my midback hurts in some positions and my spine is sensitive to pressure. It's nothing that prevents me from doing stuff but I'll be switching light squats and skipping powercleans tomorrow because of it.

Do you think I might have fucked up the discs?

[volatileacid]

That isn't form. Next time, don't round your back. If you can't lift it otherwise - you need to lower the weight.

[shortys00100]

i bought this guys book. knows his stuff i guess,.

[joneskgwu]

dude, don't talk shit about Eric

he'll kill you

[omish190]

... so does picking up a pencil off the floor

Max effort lifts rarely have perfect form.

I'd like to see anyone near his bodyweight deadlift 650 with flawless technique. Furthermore, the kyphosis (look it up) to which you are referring is slight, and mainly in the thoracic rather than lumbar region, which is due to the fact that you cannot create scapular retraction with super-heavy loads. A Neutral spine is DEFINED by thoracic kyphosis (t1-t12).

this is a huge lift-- take it for what it is

[MrGeneralskruf]

@omish190 okey , here u have it, Erik Gunhamn 365 kg marklyft

[PLUGINTHEASS]

Damn, weighing 181.

[djsm028]

Are you left handed? Do you ever switch your grip with your right hand facing out during training?

[RooRage]

It's a mixed grip. Very good for keeping things stable and necessary at higher weights.

[Matgic1]

Yeaaaa buddy!

[RllnDwnRdeo]

Nice pull, Eric. i read the blog all the time